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I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions.   I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something. Scott

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I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions.   I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something. Scott

        why not just post all their pictures, with names, family member’s names, and school lunch schedule.  that ought to make *somebody* happy…. wayno

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions.  I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something. Scott      why not just post all their pictures, with names, family member’s names, and school lunch schedule.  that ought to make *somebody* happy…. wayno

It’s a good thing my new Cabela’s clearance moleskin shirt sheds nasally- ejected coffee like water off a duck’s ass, or I would be really pissed right now   Scott

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A group outing makes the most sense.  Contact your local Scout office and volunteer.  Definitely, if there’s a Scout camp nearby that would be an ideal opportunity because they are heavy on merit badges during camp.  On the off chance that they already offer the program at camp, remember that not all the boys can make it to camp, so it would be an excellent gesture to offer a separate program. You can get some good info here: http://www.bsaflyfishing.com/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions. I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something. Scott

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A group outing makes the most sense.  Contact your local Scout office and volunteer.  Definitely, if there’s a Scout camp nearby that would be an ideal opportunity because they are heavy on merit badges during camp.  On the off chance that they already offer the program at camp, remember that not all the boys can make it to camp, so it would be an excellent gesture to offer a separate program. You can get some good info here: http://www.bsaflyfishing.com/ I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions. I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something. Scott

Thanks, Stan.  I’ll let you know what we come up with. Scott

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I served my term as assistant scoutmaster and have helped do this before there was a flyfishing badge.  It was just a fishing badge at the time and three of us did it for the scouts in our sons troop and one other. Call the local counsel (there on the web) and get a list of the troops near you.  They will have the names and phone numbers of the troop Scoutmasters.  Call the troop leaders and tell them what you are willing to do.  They will be all over you.  They are always looking for and welcome help. The scouts have booklets that detail the steps for earning every merit badge.  The emphasis is to have the scouts do all the work; your role is to be teacher and advisor. You can run the program for the whole troop or for just a couple of boys, depends on how many are interested. It’s the boys who decide if they want to get the badge. If your names on the list as an advisor some boys will seek you out. Some of the things we did were:  1.) Gave hands on demos on fly tying at one of their regular meetings.  We started using a parachute cord and an 8/0 hook and then let them go with the six vices and various materials we brought. They all managed to tie a couple of flies.  2.) Depending on where they meet you can bring in some rods and give casting instructions. 3.) You can let them come to your house and work at your bench and tie a few flies. .  You have to have at least two boys there at a time, no one on one instruction is allowe.  Let them see you stuff, explain how it works and maybe cast some in your back yard.  This is the point where some of them become lifetime flyfishers.  4.) You take them on an outing.  This part may educate you as much as them.  Pick a spot that safe and has catchable fish.  I wouldn’t count on a lake at a Boy Scout Camp having any cacheable fish. This is where you will need more help.  Get more volunteers for the trip one on one instruction is a big help here.    Twenty wild kids on a river with fly rods, wading, throwing rocks, and just being boys. It’s a great experience.  I cannot recommend it enough. .     – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions.   I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something. Scott

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The scouts have booklets that detail the steps for earning every merit badge.

Apparently it will cost $15,000 to print up all the booklets and the scouts are currently seeking donations to defray that cost. Mu

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I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions. I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something.

There’s one on the White river in central WI.  Great hex hatch too.  Don’t know about a dozen or so scouts flailing the water in the dark though. Wolfgang

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Don’t know about a dozen or so scouts flailing the water in the dark though.

A noble quest, but I don’t think I’d wanna be the responsible party that hands them a fish hook or anything else that could potentially put me on the defendent end of a PI suit when somebody sticks a hook in his eye.   Maybe a dozen pairs of cheap safety glasses would be a good investment. Call me paranoid, Joe F.

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A noble quest, but I don’t think I’d wanna be the responsible party that hands them a fish hook or anything else that could potentially put me on the defendent end of a PI suit when somebody sticks a hook in his eye.   Maybe a dozen pairs of cheap safety glasses would be a good investment. Call me paranoid, Joe F.

Both TU and the Scouts have mechanisms to deal with insurance issues.   Safetly glasses should be mandatory.  I won’t cast without them.  I also walk around with a whistle in my vest, but I’m paranoid. Scott

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Wiscoy Creek runs right through Camp Sam Wood right near Pike, NY.

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Both TU and the Scouts have mechanisms to deal with insurance issues. Safetly glasses should be mandatory.  I won’t cast without them.  I also walk around with a whistle in my vest, but I’m paranoid.

It’s been my limited experience that should anything unfortunate happen, TU, BSA, the rodmaker, the hook manufacturer, and you personally will get named in a suit.   Sure, you’d probably get out of any liability, but it’ll still cost a few shiny nickles in legal fees.   Lawsuits are a bitch for the innocent.   Didn’t mean to get so serious about it, but being married to a (former) property/casualty insurance agent will do that to you.  :-) Joe F.

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Thanks.  There’s also a pretty nice campground right on the Eastkoy that might be suitable.  Not many tent spots, though.  Seems taken up by permanent RVs Scott

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I noticed that the Boy Scouts have started a FF Merit Badge, and I see an opportunity for our TU Chapter to do a little community outreach. Before I start asking local BSA people about how we can help, I was hoping that maybe some ROFFers involved with the Boy Scouts can offer suggestions.   I was thinking about maybe a group outing.  Maybe there’s a Boy Scout Camp with some good water on it, or something. Scott

well, I don’t know about good water compared to other areas, but in NJ there’s the Big Flat Brook that goes through Stokes State Forest which has an adjacent Boy Scout Camp. The BFB is known for decent trout FFing. Rob

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There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!

+ I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

    hmmm, well i never really thought of the terms as gender specific.  but you’re right, i can’t think of any either. mouse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!

    um.   this one does mouse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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in the uk there’s quite a common gesture that people do (often leaning out of a car window) as an alternative to giving the finger. you form a circle with your thumb and index finger and then shake it up and down, usually while shouting, "WAAANKAAHHH!!!". i wonder, if it’s a woman in a car who cuts you up, whether you should just shake your hand in a rubbing motion instead? pete – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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Sure we don’t, yeah right, I believe that.  :-) One slang term I have heard for it, (even though we don’t do that), is diddle. Not telling, Cindy Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Nope… seems to be pretty much the word "masturbation"..although i have heard the term "lube job" before ~Crys* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

"Giving it laldy" is one I know…. Brian. /~~ The Depressed Nudist ~~

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yup.. same here  :) ~Crys* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!     um.   this one does mouse + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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oh. oops. I must have missed the memo. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh! + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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yeah that was my reaction when I first heard it… *winks* LOL Crys* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – lol !!! judith Nope… seems to be pretty much the word "masturbation"..although i have heard the term "lube job" before ~Crys* I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often… p/e Synonyms for Masturbation For women: Applying lip gloss Basting the tuna Brushing the beaver Burying the knuckle Butterin’ the muffin Checking my oil Checking the foxhole Checking the status of the I/O port Circling the knoll Cleaning my fur coat Cleaning your fingers Creamin’ the pie Digging for my keys Digitating Doing my nails Doing something for my chapped lips Doing the Two Finger Slot Rumba Drinking from the fountain of youth (for us contortionists) Drooling Dusting the endtable Entering the ring of fire Fare un ditolino (Italian: to do a little finger) Finger blasting Finger fuck Finger pie Flicking the bean Flossing the cat Frigging Getting a stain out of my carpet Going Mining Gusset typing Hula-hooping Itching the ditch JocelynEldering Killing off Licking my lips (for us contortionists) Looking for Waldo & his dog (gee, spot, there you are!) Makin’ waves for the man-in-the-boat Making soup Nulling the void Paddling the pink canoe Parting the red sea Petting Snoopy Playing solitare Playing The Silent Trombone Playing the beaver Pokin’ the pucker Polishing the wedding ring Preheating the oven Producing whore moans (hormones, get it? ;^) Pussy poking Riding the waterslide Rolling the dough Rubbin’ the nubbin Scratching the patch Secret vice Shooting hoops Shooting the rapids Slapping the Mackerel Snatching Soaking in Palmolive Spelunking Stiffening my upper lip Stirring it up Stoking the furnace Strumming the banjo Surfin’ the channel Taking a dip The two fingered tango Tickling the taco Toggling the bit Unclogging the drain Visiting Niagra Falls Visiting your safety deposit box Whipping your nest Working in the garden for Men: A big date with Rosy Palms Adjusting your set Applying the hand brake Attacking the one-eyed purple-headed warrior Auditioning the finger puppets Auditioning your hand puppet Backstroke roulette Bashing the Bishop Bashing the candle Beating off Beating the balogna Beating the bed flute Beating the Bishop Beating the dummy Beating the old man Beating the pud Beating the stick Beating your meat Beef-stroke-it-off Being a virtuoso of the skin flute Being your own best friend Biffing off Bleed the weed Blowing the load Blowing your own horn Bludgeoning the beefsteak Bobbing your boloney Bopping Richard Bopping the bishop Bopping the bolgney Bopping the Bonzo Boxing the bald champ Boxing the clown Boxing the jesuit and getting cockroaches Boxing with Richard Buffin’ the bishop Buffing the banana Buffing the rifle Buggering your hand Burping the baby Burping the worm Buttering the corn Caning the vandal Capturing the bishop Charming the snake Checking for testicular cancer Cheesing off Choking Kojak Choking the bald guy until he pukes Choking the chicken Choking the sheriff and waiting for the posse to come Churning your butter Clamping the pipe Cleaning your rifle Clearing the snorkel Climbin the tree Climbing Mount Baldy Clobbering the Kleenex Closet Frisbee Clubbing the clam Coating Prince William Sound with love oil Coming into your own Coming to grips with yourself Cooking the cream of cock Corralling the tadpoles Couch hockey for one Cranking the love pump Cranking the monkey Cranking the shank Crimping the wire Crowning the king Cuddlin’ the Kielbasa Cuffing the carrot Dancing with Johnnie One-Eye Dating Miss Michigan (think geography) Dating Rosie Palm and her five sisters Decongesting the weasel Defrosting the fridge Diddling Digging for change Digitally oscillating one’s penis Doin’ The Solitary Rhumba Doing a hand job Doing battle with the Purple Helmeted Warrior of Love Doing handiwork Doing It Your Way Doing the five-knuckle shuffle Doing the human version of AUTOEXEC.BAT Doing the janitor thing Doing the knuckle shuffle on the ol’ piss pump Doing the pork sword jiggle Doing the White Knuckler Doing your own thing Downing at the club (for members only) Draining the monster Draining the poisons from the building Driving the skin bus Dry humping the ottoman Dundering the devil-dolphin Electing the president Engaging in safe sex Escorting the one-eyed postal worker out of its denim cell Faxing Jimmy Dean Faxing the Pope Feeding the ducks Firing the flesh musket Firing the Surgeon General Fishing for zipper trout Fist fucking Fisting your mister Five-finger solo Five-knuckle-shuffle on the old piss pump Five on one Flick on over the thumb Flapping Takkie (South African) Flaying the Emperor Flicking the bic Flipping the Bishop Flogging the bishop Flogging the dog Flogging the dolphin Flogging the dong Flogging the frog Flogging the hog Flogging the log Flogging the mule Flogging the salami Flogging your dumber brother Flute solo Fly fishing Fondling the fig Freeing Willy Friggit Frosting the pastries Galloping the antelope Galloping the old lizard Genitalic stimulation via phallengetic motion Getting a date with Slick Mittens Getting a grip on things Getting a stiffy Getting chafed Getting off Getting the German soldier marching Getting the glue stick Getting to know yourself Getting your palm read by Mister Softee Getting your palm red Getting your pole varnished Giving it a tug Giving yourself a low five Glazing the donut Gluing the lady’s eye’s shut Going a couple of rounds with ol’ josh Going blind Going on a date with Handrea and Palmela Going on a date with Rosey Palm and the five daughters Going on Peewee’s little adventure Going the blow Grappling the gorilla Greasing the pipe Gripping the pencil Hacking the hog Han Solo Hand job Hand Shandy Handy work Hanging the old man Hard labor Having a ball Having a conversation with the one-eyed trouser snake Having a date with Fisty Palmer Having a date with Rosie Palm and her five sisters Having a ham shank Having a J. Arthur (British special, after J. Arthur Rank, it’s rhyming slang) Having a one-night-stand with yourself Having a Sherman (British) Having a tug Having a tug-of-war with the cyclops Having an arm-wrestle with your one-eyed vessel Having dinner Having it off Having sex with someone you love Hitchhiking to heaven Hitchhiking underneath the big top Holding my own Holding the sausage hostage Honing the cone Hugging the hog Humping the hose Ironing some wrinkles Jack hammering Jacking off Jazzing yourself Jerkin’ the gherkin Jerking Jamby Jerking off Jerking the turkey Jerking yanking daisy-chaining Jizzlobbing Juggling the coullions Just jerkin’ it Kicking seamen Kicking your roommate out for five to ten minutes to "call your parents" Killing it Kneading my knockwurst. Knuckle shuffle on the ol’ piss pump Knuckling the bone La veuve poignet (French) Launching the hand shuttle Looking for ticks Loping the mule Loves labors lost Loving the muppet Lubing the Tube Making a foreskin cone Making friends with Big Ed Making instant pudding Making the bald man puke Making the scene with the magazine Making vanilla jism shakes Making yourself at home Mangling the midget Manipulating the mango Manning the cockpit Manual labor Manual override Master bacon Meeting Mary Palm and her five sisters Meeting Rosie Hancock Meeting with Mother Thumb and her four daughters Milking one’s self Milking the bull Milking the cow Milking the lizard Milking the moose Milking the weasel Minding my own business Molesting the mole Mounting a corporal and four Much goo about nothing My sex life! Nerking your throbber Oiling the glove Onan’s Olympics Onanism One gun salute One man show One off the wrist Packing your palm Paddling the pickle Painting the ceiling Painting the pickle Painting the walls Palming the calm Peelin’ some chiles Peeling the banana Peeling the carrot Performing a self-test Performing diagnostics on your ManTool Perling the oyster Petting the lizard Phoning the czar Pipping the pumpkin Playing a little five-on-one Playing a one-stringed guitar Playing in a one-man show Playing Peek-A-Boo With Mr. Johnson Playing peekaboo Playing pocket pinball Playing pocket pool Playing tag with the pink torpedo Playing the flesh flute Playing the one-stringed melody Playing the skin flute Playing tug-o-war with the cyclops Playing Uno Playing with the spitting llama Playing with your turtle (for uncircumcised guys?) Pleasing your pisser Plunking your twanger Pocket pinball Pocket pool Pole vaulting Polishing Percy in your palm Polishing the beak Polishing the family jewels Polishing the helmet Polishing the rocket Polishing the sword Popping a nut Popping the cork Pounding off Pounding the bald-headed moose Pounding the pud Pounding your flounder Preparing the carrot Priming the pump Pud wrestling Pulling off Pulling rank Pulling the bologna pony Pulling the carrot Pulling the Colonel Sanders Heimleich Manuever

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

I heard "jilling off", but that can’t be right, right?  Because women don’t do that…  ;-) Before you buy.

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I prefer the term "self-love!" Jane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often… That has never occured to me.  I can’t think of a single slang term for it.  Strange. Perhaps it is a cultural thing.  Western world women aren’t supposed to enjoy themselves. Okay, let’s invent some. 1: Massaging the muffin. 2: Tickling the taco. 3: Petting the beaver. Come to think of it, the problem may be the lack of "nice" slang words for the female anatomy.

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Gosh I hope you’re kidding!!!  Research shows that women who masturbate are much more sexually satisfied when they have sex with a partner.  They are more orgasmic and speak up for their wants and needs more. Jane, who’s very sexually satisfied….hehehe. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh! + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

A couple more I’ve heard are: Jilling off Gettin’ a BUZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (equipment dependent) Parting the Red Sea

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the only thing i can think of even tho its not slang for it is mind numbingly beutifull – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sure we don’t, yeah right, I believe that.  :-) One slang term I have heard for it, (even though we don’t do that), is diddle. Not telling, Cindy Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

Come ON people, SEARCH ENGINES!!!!  Here ya go, the first thing that came up when I asked Google for "euphemisms for female masturbation".  Enjoy! http://www2.hawaii.edu/~namara/jokes/master2.htm Johanna

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Geeeeez….  Now look what you ladies did to me.  I’ve got these images in my head now… Note to self: pick up baby oil on the way home.

    spit is cheaper mouse

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yup.. same here  :) ~Crys* There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh!     um.   this one does mouse

A real hotbed of activity… How does anyone ever get anything done in the world.

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Hi Eye… I also recall hearing of a study that found women to be far more likely than men to masturbate while driving.  Actually it makes sense because it is much easier for women to do so (no need to pull anything out).

Searching for alt.binaries.female-masturbation.car send photo’s if you have them!

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I’ll have to comment on this after emergency surgery… my gut is How about ‘diddling’? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are none because females don’t masturbate.  Duh! + I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of + different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for + female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in + conversation that often…

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I was watching, THERE’S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY last night and I heard a lot of different slang for male masterbation.  But I couldn’t think of any for female masterbation.  Anyone know any?  I guess it doesn’t come up in conversation that often…

Cindy Lou, Somewhere down the road, I heard someone say that since guys Jack- off, then women must Jill-off….. Made sense, logically….but when it comes to sex, logic rarely applies…..:D Frank

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: Over fishing (in the ocean),  infestations of parasites exacerbated : by sea-farming in the estuaries, global warming  and siltation from : sheep overgrazing and peat cutting all were mentioned as possible : culprits. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like : the main culprit to me.   I don’t know the answer, but I believe we can rule out global warming. Might be a problem in the future, say 20 years or more, but not now.  At least I don’t see how the problem as it is today is ruining the population.   Are you sure the fish aren’t just staying out at sea becasue they are afraid of bombs?  It is time for Ireland to solve their problems.  Let it go. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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I just got back from two weeks in Northwest Ireland. Salmon and Sea Trout are in trouble there, as they are in most places.  Everybody was up in arms about it, and everybody had a different idea. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like the main culprit to me.  

Doubt if you’ll find too many people agreeing with you. (‘cept for the netters and fish-farmers of course)  :-)) Sea-trout and salmon stocks were fine in the past when peat cutting was just as extensive. It makes the water look bad, but the fish don’t seem to mind too much. Most interesting thing is to see how well stocks recover in any particular river system as soon as estuary or sea-loch salmon farming is stopped for a while. Its almost instantaneous. Too much netting at sea, and overfishing for the Krill/shrimps/sand-eels the fish live on is the popular choice for the overall drop in numbers. If you you want to fish Eire/UK for salmon or sea-trout, come soon  - and don’t be too hopeful. You still seem to have some fine fishing in USA. I know you’ve had your problems, but I wish we’d looked after ours half as well. Seems to me the pressures seem to be increasing all over tho’. Sometimes the only way to take my mind off it is to go fishing. Tight lines Ian D

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It is time for Ireland to solve their problems.  Let it go.

Unfortunately, the Irish are not just damaging their own fisheries – they are also netting huge numbers of salmon passing the west coast of Ireland on their way back from the North Atlantic to Wales, Southern England, France, Spain.  They take far more Welsh fish, for example, than are caught in Wales by both rods and nets..  Political pressure has so far achieved little.  And it is said that this netting, much of which is illegal, is a big source of funds for the IRA..  :-( — Phil Jones South Wales

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Salmon and Sea Trout are in trouble there, as they are in most places.  Everybody was up in arms about it, and everybody had a different idea.  Signs along many streams pleaded "Save our Sea Trout."

That’s the name of a very worthwhile organisation which has been campaigning for several years against the inshore salmon farming which has wrecked the sea trout runs.  The damage is done by massive infestations of sea lice.  The evidence is overwhelming. Send SOS a contribution and ask for some of their newsletters.  SOS, PO Box 69, Galway, EIRE. Over fishing (in the ocean),  infestations of parasites exacerbated by sea-farming in the estuaries, global warming  and siltation from sheep overgrazing and peat cutting all were mentioned as possible culprits. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like the main culprit to me.  There is a lot of water in Ireland, and a lot of bedrock too. Good spawning gravel is hard to find, and what little there is looked brown, silted and peaty to me….at least where I fished, in the Connemarra district.

You forgot agricultural pollution of the spawning streams and lakes, commercial gravel extraction from river beds, over-fishing (in the rivers and lakes), etc.. — Phil Jones

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I just got back from two weeks in Northwest Ireland. Salmon and Sea Trout are in trouble there, as they are in most places.  Everybody was up in arms about it, and everybody had a different idea.  Signs along many streams pleaded "Save our Sea Trout." Over fishing (in the ocean),  infestations of parasites exacerbated by sea-farming in the estuaries, global warming  and siltation from sheep overgrazing and peat cutting all were mentioned as possible culprits. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like the main culprit to me.  There is a lot of water in Ireland, and a lot of bedrock too. Good spawning gravel is hard to find, and what little there is looked brown, silted and peaty to me….at least where I fished, in the Connemarra district. Still, there are a few fish left, and it (all of Ireland) is a very beautiful place.   The Irish people–in particular–were the highlight of the trip. DIBBLING:      I learned a new fishing technique on one of the big Loughs: dibbling.  Local fly fishermen apparently dibble in rivers too, for both salmon and sea trout.   I’m looking forward to trying it back here, in Montana.  What is it? Put a relatively heavy wet fly on the end of the leader.  Then, maybe two feet back up the leader, put a bushy dry fly on a 6" dropper.  Cast across stream and pick up the rod tip until the dry fly is out of the water. Then bob the rod tip to make the dryfly look like a dancing caddis fly. On Lough Corrib, brown trout to 10 lbs smack’em like candy. Anybody ever try dibbliing over hear? Last note:       They have beautiful jungle cock necks for less than $75.00 in Dublin. I almost bought one.  But I managed to resist. Too bad nobody raises jungle cock.  I’d buy it for sure, if they weren’t dissapearing……like the sea trout? — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0  * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy  * http://www.avicom.net/sandy                   */

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go? Dave ps please respond to the group and to email, it is easy to miss when only posted to the group!

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go?

try "50 Hikes in Central Washington"  published by The Mountaineers. -p — Rural Health Research Center, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195.

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go?

Hey Dave — that’s a pretty desolate area.  Don’t know about hiking there, but for fishing, try Dry Falls Lake.  It is the epicenter of the massive flooding that we had in the area in the last couple of million years.  It is a geologic mecca.  This lake is very well protected and is not stocked — no motors at all, barbless hooks, and a one fish limit.  It is prime for canoes/kayaks/float tubes.  I’ve taken some large trout there. Do not take an inflatible raft or inflatible kayak there — the winds can get you big time.  I have an entire gut wrenching/leach infested arms/ lost gear story about that.

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go? Dave ps please respond to the group and to email, it is easy to miss when only posted to the group!

Dave, I spent 5 years at CWU in E-burg and enjoyed the solitude provided on the Tanum (ridge) and especially behind the airport on the Monashtash.  For fishing (and duck hunting)  I used to go across the Vantage bridge toward George and attend to the "potholes".  The Yakima river was always a great resource and fishing was often good (back in the 60’s and 70’s).   All in all, Ellensburg is a great jumping off point.  I have only good memories of the place.  Perhaps someone can provide trail info for you but I just bushwacked in the low brush forest.  Careful though if you do that.  It’s easy to get lost in this country. Bill BTW, the road up to Monashtash used to go through toward Wenachee but even in the 60’s it was a poor wagon road.  It may be one fantastic trail by now.  You should smell the aroma on a warm spring day!

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go?

Try the Greewater River off Hwy 410.  The end of the road trailhead offers a well-marked trail paralleling a 20′ – 30′ wide river ideal for fly-fishing.   Jeffrey Olson

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go? Dave ps please respond to the group and to email, it is easy to miss when only posted to the group!

Hi Dave, Please tell us your definition of "Central Washington".  Do you mean the goegraphic center of the state east of Wenatchee, or do you include the Central Cascades?  If you include the Central Cascades, I suggest you pick up a copy of "100 Hikes in the Alpine Lakes".  It is published by the Mountaineers and contains info on many great dayhikes and backpack trips in the area (the Cascades Mountains between I-90 and Hwy. 2). Also, if your range extends a little farther north, there is another volume, "100 Hikes in the Glacier Peak Region". Kerry

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A buddy and me want to do a little hiking, maybe a little fishing this summer. We don’t know ANYTHING so we are looking for easy well marked trails. Any ideas of where we should go? Hey Dave — that’s a pretty desolate area.

Hey, Gary….there’s over 1 million people in eastern Washington.  Is that your definition of desolate??

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone: I am going to revive the olde SFFC Short Fat Flyfishers Club that Dennis Bitten came up with but is now disbanded. The new name that 14 of us has chosen is "Short Fat Cigar Smokin Flyfishers Club." The rules are going to change a bit as I and others feel that a club of this type can make an impact on the market and we would truly like to make it a viable club. The market is for extended sized sport clothes, waders, gloves and various other equipment (Ever try to get a size 50" waist from Orvis in anything). Keep your Loops Tight, Flys Dry and for Pete’s sake keep your wader fly closed! Mike

Hi Mike, I’m glad to see you get this club going again. You wouldn’t consider a tall, skinny old duffers who falls in the water a lot as a candidate for membership? Just kidding, Good luck. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Do the adjectives "short" and "fat" modify "cigar," or "flyfishers"? vince norris

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Al, Until your post, I was wondering what was supposed to be "short and fat" — the cigar or the flyfisher. DaveB

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Missed the beginning of this thread. Where do I go to sign up? Bob

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Hi: Well it could be both or either I guess. The intent is for us anglers that are short and fat in stature to gain recognition in the fly fishing market. The Cigar Smoking is just an added pleasure for those of us who partake in it. MMT

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Everyone: I am going to revive the olde SFFC Short Fat Flyfishers Club that Dennis Bitten came up with but is now disbanded. The new name that 14 of us has chosen is "Short Fat Cigar Smokin Flyfishers Club." The rules are going to change a bit as I and others feel that a club of this type can make an impact on the market and we would truly like to make it a viable club. The market is for extended sized sport clothes, waders, gloves and various other equipment (Ever try to get a size 50" waist from Orvis in anything). Keep your Loops Tight, Flys Dry and for Pete’s sake keep your wader fly closed! Mike Hi Mike, I’m glad to see you get this club going again. You wouldn’t consider a tall, skinny old duffers who falls in the water a lot as a candidate for membership? Just kidding, Good luck. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

Your club is greta, though I’ll skip the cigars.  It is frustrating to try to find waders for someone 5′6" and 240 lbs.  However, you might considerthe fact that we are the final result of millions of years of evolution and that so-called "thin"people are merely, unlike us, "famine resistance challenged"!  Bill

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Not trying to be a smart a**, but try finding waders for 6′-6" 170# size 10 foot.  Most mfgs think that if you are 6-6, you should be 320 or so! One of these days I’ll find something in my size Steve Stillabower Indianapolis, IN

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Hi Everyone: I am going to revive the olde SFFC Short Fat Flyfishers Club that Dennis Bitten came up with but is now disbanded. The new name that 14 of us has chosen is "Short Fat Cigar Smokin Flyfishers Club." The rules are going to change a bit as I and others feel that a club of this type can make an impact on the market and we would truly like to make it a viable club. The market is for extended sized sport clothes, waders, gloves and various other equipment (Ever try to get a size 50" waist from Orvis in anything). We have made contacts with various manufacturers that are willing to make extended sized clothing and equipment available to all us guys and GALS who have a short stature and look like a sparkplug. We even have a deal for preferred seating on two airlines so we and other passengers can feel more comfort on the flights. small, the advantages are great and heck lets get some recognition in this ever expanding market. Keep your Loops Tight, Flys Dry and for Pete’s sake keep your wader fly closed! Mike

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What are some Spring recomendations for fishing Maine, Either Salmon or trout?

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Spring fishing in Maine means the smelt run for landlocks.  West Branch of the Penobscot near Ripogenus dam in early June is my #1 pick.  Hatches should also start by June 10. Rangely area has some terrific fishing in the Kennebago river, Big Magalloway river, and Rapid river.  Should start by mid-May. Tight lines, Gerry Crow

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<<Spring fishing in Maine means the smelt run for landlocks.  West Branch of the Penobscot near Ripogenus dam in early June is my #1 pick.  Hatches should also start by June 10. Rangely area has some terrific fishing in the Kennebago river, Big Magalloway river, and Rapid river.  Should start by mid-May. Tight lines, Gerry Crow Fish the Rapid River every year the week before and after Memorial Day. If the Hendrickson hatch comes off, it is a sight to see.  After Mem. Day, lots of caddis hatches.  I usually fish only dries on the Rapid, but lately have had lots of luck with nymphs (Hendrickson, Hares Ear, my own concoctions of green caddis worms (both dubbed and latex bodied), and Brassies).  The Rapid is my favorite spot in all the world.  It doesn’t get much better.  Be sure to see "Lakewood Camps" representatives at the Marlboro Mass Fly Show Jan 17-19.   Dave LaCourse

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What are some Spring recomendations for fishing Maine, Either Salmon or trout?

Gerry had some good advice for you but my best would be to take plenty of bug dope.   Tight Lines JF

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What are some Spring recomendations for fishing Maine, Either Salmon or trout?

I was in Maine one summer six or seven years ago and my wife hired a guide for me to fish one day as a birthday gift.  At the time, that was a very extravagant gift on her part.  We had little money and I had never fished with a guide.  It was mid summer and I spent one day with the owner operator of Libby Camp (they advertise in the magazines).  That was truely one of my most memorable fishing trips of my life.  Since then our financial situation has changed and I’ve fished with a lot of guides, but, that guy was truely tops.  The fishing wasn’t terific because of the time of year but, he gave me a great trip.  We fished rivers and we fished lakes.  He taught me casting tips.  He told stories about Maine and the "old" days and we moaned about politicians.  What more could you ask for.  I would recommend Libby Camps to anyone who asks.   Steve Russell My Rod and Reel They comfort me.

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What are some Spring recomendations for fishing Maine, Either Salmon or trout?

Are you from the New England area?  If so, visit the Fly Fishing Show this week (Jan 17,18,19) in Marlboro, Mass. There you will find a booth for "Lakewood Camps", Middle Dam, Maine. Great place to stay, and some of the best flyfishing for landlocks and brook trout on the Rapid River (output of Lower Lake Richardson). If you are there for the Hendrickson hatch, you will never forget the experience.  Before Memorial Day fishing is usually with streamer, but nymphs will bag many also.  After the first Hendrickson hatch, the Caddis hatches come off — usually early June.  Great fishing, and great accomodations from Sue and Stan Milton. Regards, Dave LaCourse

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Can someone let me know what conditions near State College are now and what they look like for this weekend?

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The area got hit with a lot of rain this past weekend and streams went high again.  The forecast is for rain tonight and tomorrow morning and possible showers for the next few days.  Only if we don’t receive significant precipitation will the streams be fishable. Dave Rothrock

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The area got hit with a lot of rain this past weekend and streams went high again.  The forecast is for rain tonight and tomorrow morning and possible showers for the next few days.  Only if we don’t receive significant precipitation will the streams be fishable. Dave Rothrock

Hi Dave I missed the original post.  What part of PA mare we talking about? If it is central PA (i.e State College area), how has the fishing been so far this spring? Ed Sowinski

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I pulled open a drawer where I keep all kinds of eyes for tying fishing flies.  As I was getting set to tie some bonefish flies, I realized that a lot of my bead chain had come out of any pouch that it had been in.  Some of the bead chain is old standard stuff, some is Stainless, which I’d like to use on my bonefish flies.   Anyone know of an easy way to tell which is the stainless eyes? (besides letting it sit in salt water for a few days/weeks) Weird question, but I would hope some metallurgist fly-fisherman might know the easy answer! TIA… Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I pulled open a drawer where I keep all kinds of eyes for tying fishing flies.  As I was getting set to tie some bonefish flies, I realized that a lot of my bead chain had come out of any pouch that it had been in.  Some of the bead chain is old standard stuff, some is Stainless, which I’d like to use on my bonefish flies. Anyone know of an easy way to tell which is the stainless eyes? (besides letting it sit in salt water for a few days/weeks) Weird question, but I would hope some metallurgist fly-fisherman might know the easy answer! TIA… Steve

Hi Steve Using a magnet is a good starting point in that (in my experience) even the highest-quality stainless steel exhibits some magnetic properties. I have three kinds of bead chain; chrome plated mild steel, shiny stainless steel and chrome plated brass.  A magnet should enable you to tell these three apart, in that brass won’t be even faintly magnetic. Hope that helps  Russ

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Anyone know of an easy way to tell which is the stainless eyes? (besides letting it sit in salt water for a few days/weeks)

I believe that a magnet will not attract stainless steel. Dave

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In general the stainless will not be "ferromagnetic" and will, therefore, not be attracted to a magnet, unlike the steel bead, which will.  Although this is not always the case I would take about any odds that it will work, as ferritic stainless is rare….make that very rare. dave

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: I pulled open a drawer where I keep all kinds of eyes for tying : fishing flies.  As I was getting set to tie some bonefish flies, I : realized that a lot of my bead chain had come out of any pouch that it : had been in.  Some of the bead chain is old standard stuff, some is : Stainless, which I’d like to use on my bonefish flies.   : : Anyone know of an easy way to tell which is the stainless eyes? : (besides letting it sit in salt water for a few days/weeks) : : Weird question, but I would hope some metallurgist fly-fisherman might : know the easy answer! : : TIA… : : Steve Austenitic stainless steel will not attract a magnet.   Martensitic stainless steel *will* attract a magnet. So, one has to be careful.  Now, what you do have going for you is that austenitic stainless steel is the most corrosion resistant and thus might be the best choice for saltwater use.  However, martensitic is the type that can be the strongest.  As far as the other type of stainless, ferritic, I am not sure, but I think that also might attract a magnet.  As I said, one has to be careful. Good luck. Kind regards, Steve Kernosky Michigan Tech Univ.

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Stainless steel is generally not attracted to a magnet nearly as strongly as regular steel because of the increased content of other metals, i.e. nickel and others.  If you have a small magnet, you might try this until a *real* metal expert replies.  longspeer

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Anyone know of an easy way to tell which is the stainless eyes? (besides letting it sit in salt water for a few days/weeks) I believe that a magnet will not attract stainless steel.

Russel and Dave- You are both right on.  Thanks for the tip… Steve

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The technical stuff all sounds great – if you are trying to tell between Stainless and Mild Steel, the simple way is to make sure the item is clean (and not sharp) and taste it – stainless does not taste of anything, mild steel has a , well, metallic sort of taste. Dont hook yourself. hope it helps.

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snip Anyone know of an easy way to tell which is the stainless eyes? (besides letting it sit in salt water for a few days/weeks) Weird question, but I would hope some metallurgist fly-fisherman might know the easy answer! TIA… Steve

I believe that stainless steel is not a ferromagnetic material, and therefore will not be attracted to a magnet. — Brian Charles

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: : The technical stuff all sounds great – if you are trying to tell : between Stainless and Mild Steel, the simple way is to make sure the : item is clean (and not sharp) and taste it – stainless does not taste : of anything, mild steel has a , well, metallic sort of taste. : : Might look a little silly. : :   : Dont hook yourself. : : That would look even worse. Just try explaining *that* to the wife. : : -DLB I guess I’ve come into this thread late, but has anyone mentioned that stainless steels (cept 17-4 HT or 18-8 HT) has very low to none magnetic capability. To determint it quickly I use a strong magnet. Mild steel is easy determined this way. Bob — Bob San Jose, Ca

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Hi, try using a good magnet. The stainless steel will roll to the magnet quicker. Good uh ? fishing.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip Anyone know of an easy way to tell which is the stainless eyes? (besides letting it sit in salt water for a few days/weeks) Weird question, but I would hope some metallurgist fly-fisherman might know the easy answer! TIA… Steve I believe that stainless steel is not a ferromagnetic material, and therefore will not be attracted to a magnet. — Brian Charles

No, some types of stainless steel (typically the 400 series, I believe) are at least slightly ferromagnetic, so a magnet is not an accurate way to determine whether or not the metal is stainless steel. Unfortunately, I don’t know of any easy, reliable way to distinguish stainless steel.  Usually one can tell by appearance:  stainless steel has a relatively dull, gray sheen compared to plated materials (eg. chrome or cadmium over steel), but brighter than aluminum or pot metal alloys.  It helps to have a practiced eye – as well as some examples of true stainless steel.  Surface texture is also a good clue:  with stainless, the machine tool marks may still be evident, whereas plating will typically smooth or fill these in.   -Wes Wes Neuenschwander Seattle, WA

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Hey kids. The steelhead are here, the steelhead are here. And we *finally* got a ffishing shop in this town!  I’m a happy guy. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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So… where is this new flyfishing shop that has finally come to the center of the universe, Moscow? Inquiring minds want to know. Is there somewhere else besides WallyWorld, Husky and Garts? Tim

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I am getting upset about the flagrant selling of merchandise on this group without warning in the subject.  I just called one of the 800 numbers to tell them that.  If enough of us do it, especially on their nickel, the practice may diminish. William Buchman

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(BillyFish) writes: I am getting upset about the flagrant selling of merchandise on this group without warning in the subject.  I just called one of the 800 numbers to tell them that.  If enough of us do it, especially on their nickel, the practice may diminish.

My solution is to copy the message in its entirety and e-mail it back to the sender.  I doubt if it does much good, but it sure makes me feel better.

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I’m always looking for new items for flyfishing, if someone recommends a product or a guide or a business I feel helped. But the business itself should not advertise. Let them buy space in a mag. Karl

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