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"ci+" <c…@ciNukeSpam.com> wrote in news:Xns95583DE20A3D7ci@65.245.115.2: > not mentioning that some of hose were Carter ‘babies’. also ignoring > reasons why a repug or demcon might have rejected those weapons, such as > obsolescence  

Hey, the B1 was great in Afghanistan, we can pound the hell out people–as long as they have no fighter or missle defenses!

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"Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" <a…@at.org> in news:Xns955840562E99Ffkjdlkvjcxoiuarepoij@68.6.19.6: >"ci+" <c…@ciNukeSpam.com> wrote in >news:Xns95583DE20A3D7ci@65.245.115.2: >> not mentioning that some of hose were Carter ‘babies’. also ignoring >> reasons why a repug or demcon might have rejected those weapons, such >> as obsolescence   > Hey, the B1 was great in Afghanistan, we can pound the hell out > people–as long as they have no fighter or missle defenses!

it must be cheaper to operate than a  b2. maybe the costs have been amortized or whatever. maybe it carries more tonnage than a b2? — If Tolkien didn’t want us to eat Hobbits, why did he make them of meat?

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"ci+" <c…@ciNukeSpam.com> wrote in news:Xns95587B395BB97ci@65.245.115.2: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" <a…@at.org> in > news:Xns955840562E99Ffkjdlkvjcxoiuarepoij@68.6.19.6: >>"ci+" <c…@ciNukeSpam.com> wrote in >>news:Xns95583DE20A3D7ci@65.245.115.2: >>> not mentioning that some of hose were Carter ‘babies’. also ignoring >>> reasons why a repug or demcon might have rejected those weapons, such >>> as obsolescence   >> Hey, the B1 was great in Afghanistan, we can pound the hell out >> people–as long as they have no fighter or missle defenses! > it must be cheaper to operate than a  b2. maybe the costs have been > amortized or whatever. maybe it carries more tonnage than a b2?

It was made in California…which has a large number of representatives in Congress.  Other than that I can’t think of a reason why the USAF wanted a high-altitude bomber.  Vested interests & entrenched beauracrats would be my guess. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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"Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" <a…@at.org> wrote in message <news:Xns95582DA24AE22fkjdlkvjcxoiuarepoij@68.6.19.6>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cutups and Cutthroats > By MAUREEN DOWD > Published: September 2, 2004 > I always enjoy hearing about how a teenage Dick Cheney stood off to the > side with buckets of water to put out Lynne’s flaming batons. > But there was an even better moment during Claire Shipman’s two-part "Good > Morning America" interview at the Wyoming ranch this week. Trying to > humanize Dr. No, ABC was let into the inner sanctum to watch Mr. Cheney > take his 4-year-old granddaughter on her first solo horsie ride and hear > how he’s teaching his granddaughters fly-fishing. > Advertisement > Ms. Shipman asked the vice president "his greatest guilty pleasure." > His wife quickly interjected that it was fishing. But we all know, of > course, it’s global domination. > It’s always amusing to watch Republicans try to get down. At convention > time, they stop bilking Joe Lunchbox to act like Joe Lunchbox.

how do you make hitler funny? h

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"Eerie Cabinets of Dr. Rodent" <a…@at.org> in news:Xns95582DA24AE22fkjdlkvjcxoiuarepoij@68.6.19.6: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cutups and Cutthroats > By MAUREEN DOWD > Published: September 2, 2004 > I always enjoy hearing about how a teenage Dick Cheney stood off to > the side with buckets of water to put out Lynne’s flaming batons. > But there was an even better moment during Claire Shipman’s two-part > "Good Morning America" interview at the Wyoming ranch this week. > Trying to humanize Dr. No, ABC was let into the inner sanctum to watch > Mr. Cheney take his 4-year-old granddaughter on her first solo horsie > ride and hear how he’s teaching his granddaughters fly-fishing. > Advertisement > Ms. Shipman asked the vice president "his greatest guilty pleasure." > His wife quickly interjected that it was fishing. But we all know, of > course, it’s global domination. > It’s always amusing to watch Republicans try to get down. At > convention time, they stop bilking Joe Lunchbox to act like Joe > Lunchbox. > How awkward in Columbus, when W., hanging with Jack Nicklaus, noted > that his grandfather was born there, so they should "send a homeboy > back to Washington, D.C." Do they know a homeboy from a Lawn-Boy? > How you livin’, dawg? > And speaking of dawgs, whuddup with that video of Barney debating that > French poodle Fifi Kerry about taxes? By the time the twins finished > their White House Valley Girl routine, and Karl Rove and Karen Hughes > went all giddy in the sendup, the convention’s arc was clear. > Highly scripted screwball moments designed to soothe fears that the > Bushies are bullies alternate with high-octane, turbo moments designed > to stir up fears that we won’t be safe without the Bush bullies. > Unlike the arrogant Boston Kerry strategists, who focus-grouped and > dial-a- metered their convention to death, scrubbing most of the > direct attacks on President Bush, the arrogant Austin Bush strategists > have encouraged their non-girlie-men speakers to put the pedal to the > metal and flatten the poor Democrat who is windsurfing through his > free fall. > Despite the fact that the economy is cratering, Iraq is teetering,

those 2 seem exaggerated . > Afghanistan is reverting to warlords,

is it? i think it’s had setbacks, and their citizens suffer typical human inflexibilty… guaranteeing slow social progress…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Dick Cheney is glowering at the > world, the war on terror has created more acts of terror, Ahmad > Chalabi is an accused spy for Iran and the Pentagon has an accused spy > for Israel, Republicans felt so good about themselves that when Arnold > Schwarzenegger said he was inspired to become a Republican by Richard > Nixon, they exploded. When Tricky Dick is a hot applause line, they’re > feeling cocky. > Republicans are political killers. They are confident that Americans, > in a 9/11 world, are going to be more drawn to political killers who > have made some "miscalculations" on Iraq, as W. put it, than with a > shaggy-haired Vietnam War protester whom Bush 41 compares to Hanoi > Jane. >"I still have great difficulty with his coming back and making those > statements before the Congress and throwing medals away," the > president’s father told Don Imus yesterday. > Republicans know that plunging ahead with a course of action, even if > it becomes obvious it’s wrong, is an easier political sell than > flip-flopping, even if it’s right.

funny how foxnews dittohead hotheads don’t even realize that the repugs are sinking in their own quicksand… all on their own. no one is really opposing them. > When the president slipped, admitting that the war on terror is > unwinnable – perhaps recognizing that terror’s a tactic, not an enemy > – he had to be saved later by Laura Bush, who fixed his stumble into > nuance. Then Mr. Kerry made the mistake of responding in Bush > black-and-white, calling the war on terror winnable.

ha! kerry says almost nothing. bush out-bloopers kerry. which is worse? … >: > While Democrats whined about the meanies and their Swift boat attacks, > the G.O.P. juggernaut rolled on. > Zell Miller, playing Cotton Mather behind the cross-like lectern, made > Mr. Cheney seem rational, with a maniacal litany of weapons he said > Mr. Kerry had opposed that can destroy any mud hut in any third world > country: B-1 and B-2 bombers, F-14A Tomcats, F-15 Eagles, Patriot and > Trident missiles, and Aegis cruisers.

not mentioning that some of hose were Carter ‘babies’. also ignoring reasons why a repug or demcon might have rejected those weapons, such as obsolescence   > Just as the "third party" ad effort has been ferocious and misleading, > so have some of the attack speeches here. Dick Cheney stomped on John > Kerry the way he’s stomped on the world. In fact, he stomped on Mr. > Kerry for trying to get along with the world: "He talks about leading > ‘a more sensitive war on terror’ as though Al Qaeda will be impressed > with our softer side." It’s nice to know Mr. Cheney remembers Al > Qaeda.

 ’a more sensitive war on terror’ i’ve hearda bout this only via insulting reactoins. just now googled, http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg200408061120.asp whihc is amazingly polite ciriticism, rare among wrought-wingers. if this column is accurate regarding kerry’s intended meaning behind his phrase ‘more sensitive war on terror’, then kerry’s missing out on what his phrase *should* have meant. becoming frineds with citizens of countries whrer terrorirsts "breed" is probably the most effective "war   on terror"…. ’sensitive’ or ‘nonsensitive’. > As others raged, Mr. Bush flew to New York and went to an Italian > community center to eat pizza with Queens firemen. The homeboy was > having a ruthless, but effective, week.

did they have an orgies? why do repugs have all the fun! i must be too sensitive. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8 &q=firemen+sex+Scandal++Fordham+%7C+Brooklyn%7C+york — A nude Gollum on your doorstep is burn baby, burn

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Cutups and Cutthroats By MAUREEN DOWD Published: September 2, 2004 I always enjoy hearing about how a teenage Dick Cheney stood off to the side with buckets of water to put out Lynne’s flaming batons. But there was an even better moment during Claire Shipman’s two-part "Good Morning America" interview at the Wyoming ranch this week. Trying to humanize Dr. No, ABC was let into the inner sanctum to watch Mr. Cheney take his 4-year-old granddaughter on her first solo horsie ride and hear how he’s teaching his granddaughters fly-fishing. Advertisement Ms. Shipman asked the vice president "his greatest guilty pleasure." His wife quickly interjected that it was fishing. But we all know, of course, it’s global domination. It’s always amusing to watch Republicans try to get down. At convention time, they stop bilking Joe Lunchbox to act like Joe Lunchbox. How awkward in Columbus, when W., hanging with Jack Nicklaus, noted that his grandfather was born there, so they should "send a homeboy back to Washington, D.C." Do they know a homeboy from a Lawn-Boy? How you livin’, dawg? And speaking of dawgs, whuddup with that video of Barney debating that French poodle Fifi Kerry about taxes? By the time the twins finished their White House Valley Girl routine, and Karl Rove and Karen Hughes went all giddy in the sendup, the convention’s arc was clear. Highly scripted screwball moments designed to soothe fears that the Bushies are bullies alternate with high-octane, turbo moments designed to stir up fears that we won’t be safe without the Bush bullies. Unlike the arrogant Boston Kerry strategists, who focus-grouped and dial-a- metered their convention to death, scrubbing most of the direct attacks on President Bush, the arrogant Austin Bush strategists have encouraged their non-girlie-men speakers to put the pedal to the metal and flatten the poor Democrat who is windsurfing through his free fall. Despite the fact that the economy is cratering, Iraq is teetering, Afghanistan is reverting to warlords, Dick Cheney is glowering at the world, the war on terror has created more acts of terror, Ahmad Chalabi is an accused spy for Iran and the Pentagon has an accused spy for Israel, Republicans felt so good about themselves that when Arnold Schwarzenegger said he was inspired to become a Republican by Richard Nixon, they exploded. When Tricky Dick is a hot applause line, they’re feeling cocky. Republicans are political killers. They are confident that Americans, in a 9/11 world, are going to be more drawn to political killers who have made some "miscalculations" on Iraq, as W. put it, than with a shaggy-haired Vietnam War protester whom Bush 41 compares to Hanoi Jane. "I still have great difficulty with his coming back and making those statements before the Congress and throwing medals away," the president’s father told Don Imus yesterday. Republicans know that plunging ahead with a course of action, even if it becomes obvious it’s wrong, is an easier political sell than flip-flopping, even if it’s right. When the president slipped, admitting that the war on terror is unwinnable – perhaps recognizing that terror’s a tactic, not an enemy – he had to be saved later by Laura Bush, who fixed his stumble into nuance. Then Mr. Kerry made the mistake of responding in Bush black-and-white, calling the war on terror winnable. While Democrats whined about the meanies and their Swift boat attacks, the G.O.P. juggernaut rolled on. Zell Miller, playing Cotton Mather behind the cross-like lectern, made Mr. Cheney seem rational, with a maniacal litany of weapons he said Mr. Kerry had opposed that can destroy any mud hut in any third world country: B-1 and B-2 bombers, F-14A Tomcats, F-15 Eagles, Patriot and Trident missiles, and Aegis cruisers. Just as the "third party" ad effort has been ferocious and misleading, so have some of the attack speeches here. Dick Cheney stomped on John Kerry the way he’s stomped on the world. In fact, he stomped on Mr. Kerry for trying to get along with the world: "He talks about leading ‘a more sensitive war on terror’ as though Al Qaeda will be impressed with our softer side." It’s nice to know Mr. Cheney remembers Al Qaeda. As others raged, Mr. Bush flew to New York and went to an Italian community center to eat pizza with Queens firemen. The homeboy was having a ruthless, but effective, week.

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Hi, folks.  I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod.  I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier.    Much obliged.    paul

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Hi, folks.  I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod.  I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier.   Much obliged.   paul

        i have gone to atlantic many times, and caught nice blues and pompano in close with spinning gear.  however, that has been in the late summer and early fall.  if you want to try a pier, go to the iron city pier in the pine knolls shore area of the island. wayno

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Hi, folks. I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod. I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier. Much obliged. paul

Still a little early for much to be happening.  Sometimes you can catch a school of False Albacore at the end od the pier but this is "iffy". Most piers are officially closed but still allow you to fish for free, just not opening their pier houses.  Check the inlets for possible striper action. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Paul, If you have access to some kind of small boat like a skiff, a kayak or even a canoe you can have a great time.  If you can get back into any of the creeks along either side of the ICW you may indeed find some redfish and/or specks.  Good flies include chat/white clousers and if the water is murky the Copperhead works wonders.  I will not be in the Atlantic Beach area myself during that time frame but any help I can send your way via email I will be happy to assist.  Check at Pete’s Tackle Shop on Arendell Street in Morehead City for more info. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, folks.  I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod.  I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier.    Much obliged.    paul

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You mean the Iron Steamer pier, and it has hurricane damage that hasn’t been repaired. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, folks.  I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod.  I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier.   Much obliged.   paul i have gone to atlantic many times, and caught nice blues and pompano in close with spinning gear.  however, that has been in the late summer and early fall.  if you want to try a pier, go to the iron city pier in the pine knolls shore area of the island. wayno

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Latest reports from Bogue Inlet Pier (about 20 miles on other end of Bogue Banks — check thier website) is reporting big blow fish, spotty gray and speckled trout, and periodically good shows of sea mullet.  The flounder should start anytime now, as should blues (they are present farther south near the SC border and moving north).  Spots will probably be more abundant in 2 weeks from now, false albacore should be active just offshore (try the end of a pier), and a few other early birds like cobia may be starting up, depending on water temp.  Off-shore in the Gulf Stream you will be able to get tuna, wahoo, and dolphin (maui maui, dorado, etc.). Enjoy!  Try the NC inshore offshore web page for fishing reports. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, folks.  I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod.  I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier.   Much obliged.   paul

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Paul, Go to the Aquarium to access the sound. This time of the year, I normally fish the running tide (both in and out) over sand bars for Flounder (on a fly rod). I prefer to be on the sound with the lowest tide, closest to sunrise. My Out (In) Laws live right off Salther Path in PKS, and I take a small boat down to the Sound side near the Sheraton. Also, the Oysters and Mussels will be good for the pickin’ (if you are in to it). Good Luck ! SD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, folks.  I’ll be in the Atlantic Beach area in North Carolina in mid-April, with my fly rod and my surf rod.  I don’t get to the beach often, so I’d appreciate any advice on what’s out there and how to catch it, from shore or pier.    Much obliged.    paul

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Thanks for the responeses, Jeff

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Maybe you can help me,     My Dad just got a fly rod from a friend whose father recently died.  He would like to use it but does not want to if it is potientially valuable. It is a split bamboo, ~6′6".  Printed on it is "GOLDEN BAMBOO"  "MADE IN JAPAN"  and signed "L.M. Dixon"  Any ideas about it? Thanks, Jeff

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Historically, Japanese Rods have not been treated well in the collectors market. They were made with much less care and dedication to detail than most USA or UK rods. Being somewhat familiar with the "market", I would suggest you get another opinion and then go fish the rod if it is still in good enough condition.  The Japanese are very active these days buying USA made rods, both older and new. Tight lines. DSW

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Dixon was not a very valuable rod in term of it’s collectability;Just becuase it’s bamboo doesn’t mean it’s valuable. In fact, most old bamboo rods are down right worthless then, and they are worthless now. One indication of quality of rod quality is to count the number of guides and look at the quality of ferrules. In the old days, the value of the bamboo rod were primarily determined by the quality and quantity of it’s hardware, not the bamboo blank itself, which could be worth next to nothing. It sound strange, but true. If the rod is in good shape, you may just wish to use it as is or, if you have the inclination, refinish with new poly varnish and rewrap new modern guides for modern fly lines etc… My first refinishing effort was on a old Dixon I picked up for next to nothing. I re-corked , re-coat with modern poly varnish and replaced all the guides with bigger one for modern fly lines, and you would not believe how the rod turned out. What’s more, it taught me alot about bamboo rod refinishing and it  gave me insights into later refinishing and restoration efforts of other more valuable rods. To me, that Dixon was priceless. These refinishing efforts can be teach you alot  about – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Maybe you can help me,    My Dad just got a fly rod from a friend whose father recently died.  He would like to use it but does not want to if it is potientially valuable. It is a split bamboo, ~6′6".  Printed on it is "GOLDEN BAMBOO"  "MADE IN JAPAN"  and signed "L.M. Dixon"  Any ideas about it? Thanks, Jeff

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_______  Like a spring Caddis Fly that will soon have gone through it’s complete metamorphosis, I am slowly becoming a BAMBOO GEEK.  The study of cane never leaves my thoughts.  I have cut a short piece and split it.  I fondle it and carry it with me everywhere I go.  It is thick.  It is hard and sharp of edge and the sample holds a molecular world I know little of . . . yet my imagination travels inside it, inbetween all its molecules.  Cured long ago, this yellow stick from the far Orient, has found a home.  It speaks to me in a way better then words. So it is, inanimate in all respects, but a spirit of promise radiates from it like radium from plain rock, as it sits here, infecting me.  I am drawn to the mysteries of Tonkin. I am sure of it, in my mind, on this adventure, that the very first fly rod I will make will be as good as the last one I will ever make in my life.  I have been thinking about #1 for thousands of hours and for many months.  No, I haven’t ever done this before, but it matters not because my whole life has been dressed in the clothing’s of the great outdoors. How could it not be so?  I seldom do things badly in my life except I did piss on my own leg in a Mountain’s Wind Storm, once. I have it in my heart, that if someone doesn’t purchase #1 by the time I build it, I may donate it to a Museum.   I will put a high price on it as a collector’s item and that will be that.  I will let history judge the wisdom of it all years into the future, when people such as you and I are long dead nd gone, and another generation of Bastard Fly Rod Artists will pass on a legacy long since into high serial numbers.  One day, some one will visit the A Museum of Fly Fishing and see the #1 Bastard Fly Rod and they may ask just one question.  "I wish I could have been there to buy it when they had the chance,"  and we will giggle ourselves into eternity, while fly fishing one of God’s trout streams. Mr. G. i was never a man of hindsight  http://www.gink.com

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_______  Like a spring Caddis Fly that will soon have gone through it’s complete metamorphosis, I am slowly becoming a BAMBOO GEEK.  The study of cane never leaves my thoughts.  I have cut a short piece and split it.  I fondle it and carry it with me everywhere I go.  It is thick.  It is hard and sharp of edge and the sample holds a molecular world I know little of . . . yet.  Cured long ago, this yellow stick from the far Orient, has found a home.  It speaks to me in a way better then words. So it is, inanimate in all respects, but a spirit of promise radiates from it like radium from a plain rock, as it sits here – infecting me, just sitting there. I am drawn by the mystery of Tonkin Cane. I have it in my mind, on this adventure, that the very first fly rod I make will be the best fly rod I will ever make in my life.  I have been thinking about #1 for thousands of hours and for many months.  No, I haven’t ever done this thing before, but it matters not because my whole life  is now dressed in Bamboo.  How could it not be so?  I’ve never done anything badly in my life except piss on my own leg in a wind storm, once. I have it in my heart, that if someone doesn’t purchase #1 by the time I build it, I will donate this first Bastard of my dreams to The American Museum of Fly Fishing.  I will put a high price on it as a collector’s item and that will be that.  I will let history judge the wisdom of it all years into the future, when people such as you and I are long dead and gone, and another generation of Bastard Fly Rod Artists will pass on a legacy long since into high serial numbers.  One day, some one will visit the American Museum of Fly Fishing and see the #1 Bastard Fly Rod I have in my mind and heart and they may ask just one question.  "I wish I could have been there to buy it when I had the chance,"  and I will turn over in my grave giggling myself into eternity. I told you so. Mr. G. i was never a man of hindsight —

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Hi you guys.  I just read a national weather prognostication that says we may be in the beginning of a possible long lasting drought that could last for years and that we may see a lot of streams drying up in the future.  It could be worse than the dust bowl days.  Maybe we should start teaching the fish to breath air for their oxygen? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim: Welcome aboard ROFF.  I’m from State College, and you’re in a great area to fish.  I don’t get Mark Faulkner(Snipped) I am (Snipped)

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Jim: Welcome aboard ROFF.  I’m from State College, and you’re in a great area to fish.  I don’t get to the Little J all that much, since Spring Creek is in by back yard, but I’ll email you separately with some additional information. The question now is whether all these streams will dry up.  The upper end of Spring Creek (going through Boalsburg) is dry, as is a major trib of Spring Creek (Slab Cabin Run); some major fish kills have occurred.  Haven’t seen the Little J recently.  Pray for rain, and lots of it. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am recently retired (62 yrs. old).  Tried fly fishing a few times when younger, but wasnt any good.  I spent this summer learning to cast in back yard and on Spring Creek near State College, Pa.  I just moved to Altoona, and I am looking for a friend to fish Little Juniata River near Tyrone andother streams nearby.  I did get to the point where I could cast decently (IMHO), and caught a few fish.  I am also trying to resurrect my fly tying ability.  Got a new regal vice and lots of stuff, but not much money.  Any one interested in hanging out with me and fishing please let me know.  My this news group, they can call me at (814)949-2685.  I am intelligent and am also interested in ham radio. Thanks and I hope to hear from someone.  PS  This is my first post to a newsgroup ever.     Jim Marlin

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Jim Marlin schrieb in Nachricht Welcome back to the fold Jim !  Hope you find a good fishing partner.  Hope you enjoy ROFF as well. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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I am recently retired (62 yrs. old).  Tried fly fishing a few times when younger, but wasnt any good.  I spent this summer learning to cast in back yard and on Spring Creek near State College, Pa.  I just moved to Altoona, and I am looking for a friend to fish Little Juniata River near Tyrone andother streams nearby.  I did get to the point where I could cast decently (IMHO), and caught a few fish.  I am also trying to resurrect my fly tying ability.  Got a new regal vice and lots of stuff, but not much money.  Any one interested in hanging out with me and fishing please let me know.  My this news group, they can call me at (814)949-2685.  I am intelligent and am also interested in ham radio. Thanks and I hope to hear from someone.  PS  This is my first post to a newsgroup ever.     Jim Marlin

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I fished Lewis Creek last Sunday with a couple of friends. Water was very high and muddy, no fish caught or seen. Rumor on the stream was one 5lb steelie taken the day before below the ‘falls’. Appreciate any info on other Champlain activity- Bouquet, Ausable, Saranac? Thanks — John Preston         *                                                                                   <`}}}}=< Ponhook F&G                                             <`}}}}=< Charleston, NS      <`}}}}=< **Please help save the Margaree !  If you’re interested, visit this website:      <<<  http://chebucto.ns.ca/Environment/CPAWS/jcb.html  

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John, Nothing happening yet on this side of the lake….haven’t heard of much on the other side(NY) either.  Water temps on Lewis are still far too cold (mid-30’s). Perhaps end of next week though. Good luck. James Ehlers                                                               Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings

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I have a 14ft 9/10 wt. Spey rod and I’m looking for information as to the availability of a good sink tip Spey line. Hopefully someone can point me to the right source. Thanks, MJR

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I have a 14ft 9/10 wt. Spey rod and I’m looking for information as to the availability of a good sink tip Spey line. Hopefully someone can point me to the right source. Thanks, MJR

The RIO Windcutter is expensive but comes with interchangeable floating and two weights of sinking tips that match to the taper for decent spey casting. It is a shorter belly than his other line, the Accelerator.  I am not sure if the Accelerator has the removeable tips but that is a longer belly line specifically for spey casting, but not appropriate for shooting or overhand.  I think the belly on the windcutter is about 45 or 50 feet so you end up shooting your spey cast and retrieving a bit back near the belly before casting. Thw windcutter also has a removeable floating mid section and I have found that by removing this and the tip I am able to add about 25′ of leadcore, just for overhand not spey casting, but it throws it pretty good and this really gets deep. Your tackle dealer may be able to tell you more, or look RIO up – I think they are in Blackfoot, Idaho or Montana, one of the two. You could also make your own in the time-honored tradition. Cut up an 8 wt. shooting head into 5, 10, and fifteen foot pieces and put stiff mono loops on the ends, and cut off the front taper of a DT-10 line and put another loop there and this should turn over fairly decently. You need to use very heavy mono like Maxima 80 lb. or so, or strip off the plastic and make a loop with the braided core and coat with pliobond.  Going a couple of sizes lighter in the sink tips allows it to kick over easier and will work much better than trying it with 9 or 10 wt. shooting head pieces. This info is from Trey Combs big Steelhead book. Happy Steelheading, mark Vinsel — http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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I have a 14ft 9/10 wt. Spey rod and I’m looking for information as to the availability of a good sink tip Spey line. Hopefully someone can point me to the right source. Thanks, MJR

You don’t say if you want a line for overhead, switch or speycasting… Anyway, check out http://www.teleport.com/~flyfish/speyline.html (A nice page with comprehensive info) Good luck and… /Tord Andreasson, Sweden

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This document was last edited: January 25, 1996SteelheadquartersQuest for the Perfect Spey Lineby Mark Bachmann, for The Fly Fishing Shop, Welches, Oregon, USA

The first thing that you will notice when listening to a gathering of two hand fly rod advocates is there are a lot of different ideas about which is the best fly line configuration. At present there are at least(8) different full floating spey line taper configurations manufaured in the USA.

At present three configurations for sinking tip lines are commonly used. We will try to make some sense of these differing approaches to fly line taper design, knowing and welcoming in advance that there will be some disagreement on some points. We will pass on the more interesting e-mail discussions and ask only that these discussions be limited to subjects thoroughly tested for several long days on-stream.

The perfect spey line would fish long, fish close, fish calm, fish wind and throw large and small flies. For the purpose of these discussions the words spey and two-hand will be used interchangeably. The lines listed in the following text are specially designed for spey or change-of-direction-roll-casting. They may not be appropriate for over head casting.Double Taper Floating Spey Lines. Double taper is the traditional fly line design for two hand fly rods. There are some obvious reasons why. A double taper is the easiest to mend at long distance. A double taper turns over smoothly. Since the belly of the line is a constant diameter there is little need to strip, coil or shoot line. Theoretically turn around time is quicker and the angler is more efficient. Besides when spey casts were first developed, the equipment of the time was more difficult to shoot line with. However double tapers often need long back loops to load the rod for long casts. These loops can get blown by the wind or get tangled in the stream side brush.Cortland or S.A. Traditional 90′ Double TaperThe traditional 90′ double taper fly line has about 76′ of belly with about 7′ of taper on each end. Taper design is dependent on the size of the line and the maufacurer who made it. I’ve met a number of anglers packing around the 120′ spey double tapers that couldn’t cast the first 90′. It takes a fair amount of practice to cast consistently 90′ and stay under control. The extra thirty feet of bulk of the 120′ spey line needs a heavier and often more expensive reel to hold it. Use the 90′ lin if it fits your conditions.Cortland or S.A., Specially designed 120′ Double Taper Spey LinesThese lines are designed for really good fly casters who fish big rivers with rods that are longer than those commonly used for steelhead fishing. However if you’re fishing a very large river and have the skill, it’s hard to cast 120′ with a 90′ fly line.Custom made, Double taper, tickler-tip spey lines. This type of double taper fly line has had part of the tip taper removed from one end andis joined to 15′ to 20′ of a smaller diameter double taper fly line. The tip is often joined to the main line with a loop to loop system. The floating tip can be removed and a sinking one added. This makes it the most adaptable spey line out there. The problem is for me that it doesn’t do anything very well. (I know I’ll get the E-mails for this one.) I have fished with anglers who can cast very well with this system however.Cortland, Step taper Double Taper Spey Line This fly line has a short belly with very long front taper on each end which descends in steps. The taper is desinged to magnify the energy flowing down the line and increase line speed at long distance. The double taper design makes long distance mending comfortable. I used one of these lines on the Deschutes River last fall for about two weeks and caught several steelhead with it. It preformed well enough during calm days but gave me fits in the wind. The test line may have been a little heavy for the rod I was using it on. I think that next fall I will try the same rod with the next size smaller line and see what happens. (I’ll keep you posted.)Weight Forward Floating Spey Lines, Royal Wulff Triangle Taper Spey LinesThis line has a continuous taper for 65′ to 80′. It has a short rear taper and then enough running line to reach a full 120′ length. The rear of the tapered head is larger than a double taper of the same weight designation. The design theory is that as the loop unrolls, a larger diameter line is forcing energy into a smaller diameter line. This helps maintan line speed. The triangle taper fly line was invented by Lee Wulff. I will make no unbiased bones about it , this is my favorite full floating fly line. If the design was good enough its good enough for me. Besides, I met Joan Wullf for the first time last fall. She sure seemed like a nice lady. I’d just as soon put the money in her pocket. This line casts long, is controllable long, casts well enough in the wind and lays the fly down delicately. Keep yours real clean with the new Scientific Anglers Fly Line Dressing.Cortland Step Taper Weight Forward Spey LinesStep tapers have a short level belly and a long front taper which is graduated in steps. It is desingned to condence energy much like the triangle taper. I’ve spent a limited amount of time on the water with this line. My partner, Mark Sensland used a weight foreward step taper line extensively on the Deschutes last fall and came back singing its praises. If you’ve seen him cover the water, it doesn’t take long to realize that he’s a man of vast steelhead experience.Rio Wind Cutter Spey Lines These 120′ lines are specifically designed for windy conditions. They have comparatively short heavy heads that are designed to turn around quickly with a shallow back loop and load the rod deeply for maximum line speed. The running line is small diameter for minimum wind resistance. I fished a couple of evenings on the Deschutes when the wind was blowing so hard that it would have been impossible for me to cast with any other line. One evening I hooked three steelhead and landed two. Beats sitting around camp. I recommend that you have one of these lines in your arsonal for those really bad days. Rio fly lines are designed by Jim Vincent of Blackfoot, Idaho. Jim is aknowlged as one of the better spey casters in the U.S. and has produced a very good video on the subject. We of course have them…$29.95. Rio Accelerator Spey Lines These lines are designed to give and extra kick at the end of the tip turn-over. They are a long belly weight forward configuration which tapers down and then once again enlarges to create extra mass near the tip.Sinking Tip Spey LinesThere are many conditions when steelhead will take a fly but they won’t rise to the surface for it. A sinking tip fly line takes the fly down to the fish’s level. The only problem is that there are many different depths and current speeds that will hold steelhead. Several sink rates are neccasary to cover all the conditions you may encounter. Carrying and changing extra fly lines can be cumbersome and time consuming. A floating line with changable sinking tips is more streamlined than carrying extra spools with different lines. It is a system that is readily adapted to the spey rod. The extra length of the spey rod gives the advantage that this loop system doesn’t have to enter the guides when stripping or casting. Since the line isn’t aerolized during the back cast any hinging effect caused by the loop conection isn’t a factor. Lines that are designed with a front taper to blend the energy flow for a specific weight of sinking tip, do turn over more controlably than a level drop conection. Staying in your casting rythem is easier if all of your sinking tips are the same weight and length and the density is varied for different sink rates.Custom, Double Taper Sinking Tip Spey LinesThis system is simply a double taper floating fly line with all or part of the tip taper chopped off and a loop installed for adding sinkingtips. Like its full floating counterpart, it doesn’t have to be stripped back to be recast. It can be mended to very long distances. It does have some design disadvantages however. If the line has enough mass to turn over a tip that is heavy enough to have an effective sink rate, the line becomes heavy enough to bog the rod down at longer casting ranges. Pulling a sunk tip to the top of the water so it can be recast, is fatiuging and more difficult to time at longer distances. Often the line must be stripped back so that the tip can be pulled to the top of the water. Because of the larger diameter of the line remaining in the guides, double taper lines don’t shoot as … read more »

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Please don’t feed the this monster of a thread.  Mr. Wieser is just waiting to pounce.  Check out his page, wage legal war with him via. e-mail, but please, we beg of you, don’t get him started on r.b.p… – Bill Herring – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Scott Weiser Wrote Irrelevant. If you float through private property without permission, you are trespassing.  There are only two navigable waters in Colorado, and the Cache La Poudre is not one of them. That is absolutely untrue.  That river gets "navigated" every year by hundreds if not thousands of people.  Stating that boaters are trespassing is like saying the folks who walk down the sidewalk in your front yard are trespassing–blatantly false.  Actually they probably cross the street in front of your house to avoid the possibility of armed conflict with a maniac.  

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Many boaters have a bad habit of trashing the shoreline and than loudly proclaiming their rights to continue to navigate.

I must rise in protest! While it no doubt happens on rare occasion, I have NEVER seen a boater trash a shoreline ( I do not regard foot and butt prints as "trashing", and that’s about all we might leave behind)

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Many boaters have a bad habit of trashing the shoreline

I don’t any who trash the shoreline, matter of fact most I know stay in their boats.  When I talked to a Ranger down on the Ark last year, he said boaters were pretty good, almost all the trash he picked up was fishing trash.  Since this issue came up, I’ve checked places like Sunshine in the Royal Gorge, the scouts and put-in at Gore, and other high traffic areas everytime I’m there, and there has never been anything in the way of trash. Matter of fact I challenge you or anyone to show me a place that is dominated by boaters, and is trashed out (at least in Colorado). –Chris

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While land owners may own the land and riparian rights to the waters bottom, they do not in fact, own the water itself and I’m almost positive that any river can be "navigated" through private property.  It would certainly be nice to have the owners permission to avoid any misunderstandings and asking in advance could only help relations between the land owner and boaters.  Regardless of the legal issue here, I think I’d be inclined to opt for not trespassing if that’s what the land owner wished.  I can imagine if there was a pristine river running across my land I’d not want a bunch of canoes and kayaks traversing it every day. Many boaters have a bad habit of trashing the shoreline and than loudly proclaiming their rights to continue to navigate.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Scott Weiser Wrote Irrelevant. If you float through private property without permission, you are trespassing.  There are only two navigable waters in Colorado, and the Cache La Poudre is not one of them. That is absolutely untrue.  That river gets "navigated" every year by hundreds if not thousands of people.  Stating that boaters are trespassing is like saying the folks who walk down the sidewalk in your front yard are trespassing–blatantly false.  Actually they probably cross the street in front of your house to avoid the possibility of armed conflict with a maniac.   tdq

Yesssss!  And SET the hook!  Now, let the little bugger run till he tires and reel him in… Sorry, you are quite wrong.  Floating through private property in Colorado without the permission of the landowner is a criminal trespass.  Just because people get away with it doesn’t make it legal. You might want to check out my website for a discussion of this issue. http://spot.Colorado.EDU/~weisers I guess it’s time for yet another round of this ongoing discussion.   Let the games begin! — Regards, Scott Weiser ****** "I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend upon my friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" ****** The opinions expressed are my own.  If I were a lawyer, you’d be paying big bucks for this.  All complaints should be Copyright 1996 by Scott Weiser All rights of reproduction or distribution are retained by the author. PGP 2.62 public key fingerprint: A6 BD 79 21 A4 24 7B 10  F1 4C 2E BF D1 40 2A 0A

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. . . what’s concensus for fisher-paddler etiquette?

Well, we’re both very polite to each other while we trespass along stream banks. — Richard Culpeper "Hour after hour, day after day, far from sight of shore, We laughed and sang and slept under the hot sun on the northern ocean, Wanting never to return."         — Kimosippi ‘95 —

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. . . what’s concensus for fisher-paddler etiquette? Well, we’re both very polite to each other while we trespass along stream banks. — Richard Culpeper "Hour after hour, day after day, far from sight of shore, We laughed and sang and slept under the hot sun on the northern ocean, Wanting never to return."         — Kimosippi ‘95 —

Paddlers usually aren’t trespassing along stream banks!!!  They are merely in transit from the put-in to the take-out!! terry dq

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read this on the fly-fishing site and pass it on for comment.  Obviously, the people who slammed his fishing spot were jerks but what’s concensus for fisher-paddler etiquette?   Hi everyone, This weekend I had some bad experiences with kayakers while fishing the Cache La Poudre River in Colorado.  The river was full of kayakers and whitewater rafters.  To my surprise, the whitewater rafters were usually pretty courteous when passing my way (going well away from where I was fishing and coasting by as quietly as possible), but the kayakers were another story – they’d cruise by close to me, splashing each other, talking loudly – one group of four kayakers even stopped in the section I was fishing to perform maneuvers!   I understand that the river is for everyone, and because of that I don’t cast when kayakers are around.  But I’d like to think they could show the same type of courtesy by moving through the area slowly and quietly.

Tom Visnius had a nice take on this issue as part of a story about a high-water descent of the Pigeon River Dries (NC).  The story was printed first in Messing About, the newsletter of the Western Carolina Paddlers.  Tom has since placed it in his homepage.  Read it at http:\www.cs.unca.edu/~johnsonk/club/pigeon.html. — Chris The relevant passage (by Tom Visnius): Phil and I were the only kayakers hanging out at the campground for a little while. As we waited, I asked a fly-fisherman about an etiquette issue that had been bothering me since my trip down Cataloochee Creek. On creeks in the Park, there’s not a lot of room for both hunter and boater, so it is crucial to communicate to each other how you would like to commingle. Does a boater give the fisher a wide berth, thereby floating directly over the trout that he has been sneaking up on? Or does a boater float right next to the fisher’s knees and risk an assault from a surprised sportsman? This result is not unlikely, so regardless of your right-of-way philosophy, it is worth noting that there are many fishermen who visit Smoky Mountain National Park, and boaters should attempt to communicate with them. Then proceed with caution. The fellow I talked to preferred the idea of boaters paddling close to him so as not to spook the trout.

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I fished alot on the Arkansas and Animas river in Colorado.  The Animas is big enough that if your standing a few feet from one shore the rafter can go to the other side.  Most of the time I am nymphing fairly close to where I’m standing.  In the Arkansas case, its a little narrower and sometimes, if I notice them soon enough, I will step out of the water and let the kyaker or rafter float right over, or better yet to the shore side, of where I was standing. They are usually very willing to remove their feet and oars from the water as they pass by.  Most of them are quite willing to accomodate my directions if the water depth is OK. But you run into jerks in any endeavor. I wouldn’t let it ruin my day.   When it does happen I do get a little agitated and probably verbalize it but I try not to let it linger. Bill A.

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People kayak the Big South occasionally, but they have keepers who take them back to the Home directly from the takeout so that they won’t be a danger to society.

I resemble…I mean resent that remark…. –Chris

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – . . . what’s concensus for fisher-paddler etiquette? Well, we’re both very polite to each other while we trespass along stream banks. — Richard Culpeper "Hour after hour, day after day, far from sight of shore, We laughed and sang and slept under the hot sun on the northern ocean, Wanting never to return."         — Kimosippi ‘95 — Paddlers usually aren’t trespassing along stream banks!!!  They are merely in transit from the put-in to the take-out!! terry dq

Irrelevant. If you float through private property without permission, you are trespassing.  There are only two navigable waters in Colorado, and the Cache La Poudre is not one of them. — Regards, Scott Weiser ****** "I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend upon my friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" ****** The opinions expressed are my own.  If I were a lawyer, you’d be paying big bucks for this.  All complaints should be Copyright 1996 by Scott Weiser All rights of reproduction or distribution are retained by the author. PGP 2.62 public key fingerprint: A6 BD 79 21 A4 24 7B 10  F1 4C 2E BF D1 40 2A 0A

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Scott, Do us all a big favor and go crawl back under the rock you’ve been hiding under (or was that bloated mass you were cowering under your mother?). Your recent absence from this newsgroup has been wonderful. If you really were stupid enough to cast toward and snag someone (and from your posts, it seems likely you are), you would be entirely deserving of the beating your pathetic corpse received.

So sorry, I’ll try to interject more often, it certainly spices things up doesn’t it. Like I said, civil is as civil does. I just cast, if you happen to be in the way, too damned bad, you had plenty of time to see where I was fishing and avoid it, or at least do the polite thing and pass quietly behind me so as not to put the fish down for a half hour by your antics. If you act like a jerk, you get treated like a jerk.   — Regards, Scott Weiser ****** "I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend upon my friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" ****** The opinions expressed are my own.  If I were a lawyer, you’d be paying big bucks for this.  All complaints should be Copyright 1996 by Scott Weiser All rights of reproduction or distribution are retained by the author. PGP 2.62 public key fingerprint: A6 BD 79 21 A4 24 7B 10  F1 4C 2E BF D1 40 2A 0A

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. . . what’s concensus for fisher-paddler etiquette? Well, we’re both very polite to each other while we trespass along stream banks.

Er, actually, you are probably trespassing when you are *in* the river, boaters and fisherpersons alike, unless you are on Forest Service land or other public land. — Regards, Scott Weiser ****** "I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend upon my friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" ****** The opinions expressed are my own.  If I were a lawyer, you’d be paying big bucks for this.  All complaints should be Copyright 1996 by Scott Weiser All rights of reproduction or distribution are retained by the author. PGP 2.62 public key fingerprint: A6 BD 79 21 A4 24 7B 10  F1 4C 2E BF D1 40 2A 0A

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Scott Weiser Wrote Irrelevant. If you float through private property without permission, you are trespassing.  There are only two navigable waters in Colorado, and the Cache La Poudre is not one of them.

That is absolutely untrue.  That river gets "navigated" every year by hundreds if not thousands of people.  Stating that boaters are trespassing is like saying the folks who walk down the sidewalk in your front yard are trespassing–blatantly false.  Actually they probably cross the street in front of your house to avoid the possibility of armed conflict with a maniac.   tdq

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I read this on the fly-fishing site and pass it on for comment.  Obviously, the people who slammed his fishing spot were jerks but what’s concensus for fisher-paddler etiquette?   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: DirecPC   Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: host-37.customer.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Hi everyone, This weekend I had some bad experiences with kayakers while fishing the Cache La Poudre River in Colorado.  The river was full of kayakers and whitewater rafters.  To my surprise, the whitewater rafters were usually pretty courteous when passing my way (going well away from where I was fishing and coasting by as quietly as possible), but the kayakers were another story – they’d cruise by close to me, splashing each other, talking loudly – one group of four kayakers even stopped in the section I was fishing to perform maneuvers!   I understand that the river is for everyone, and because of that I don’t cast when kayakers are around.  But I’d like to think they could show the same type of courtesy by moving through the area slowly and quietly. I guess the easy solution to my problem is to find a section of the river that is kayaker/rafter free.  Does anyone know of any such section of the Poudre?  How about flyfishing only sections and/or catch and release sections? Any help/comments appreciated!  Thanks for reading this. Mike Stephens

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I read this on the fly-fishing site and pass it on for comment. Obviously, the people who slammed his fishing spot were jerks but what’s concensus for fisher-paddler etiquette?  

I, fortunately, have had better experiences than this, being both a fisherman and a paddler on a river at different times. I think most fishermen & paddlers can peacefully co-exist most of the time. The biggest thing paddlers have to remember is that fish like to hang out in eddies also. Fortunately though, most good paddling areas are too strong to fish effectively. Paddle On… -Tom McIntire

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I read this on the fly-fishing site and pass it on for comment.  Obviously, the people who slammed his fishing spot were jerks but what’s concensus for fisher-paddler etiquette?  

(snip) It sucks. If I were fishing and someone pulled this on me, I’d tie on a #10 weighted Wooly Bugger on 15 lb. test tippet and thwack them smartly on the head.  With any luck, I’d even snag an expensive Goretex jacket and rip a great big hole in it, and maybe them. In fact, I did manage to puncture a polycheapo raft with a drunken lout in it on the Rogue River a couple of weeks ago who did exactly that. When I’m fishing, you’d better be polite, or stay out of range. — Regards, Scott Weiser ****** "I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend upon my friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" ****** The opinions expressed are my own.  If I were a lawyer, you’d be paying big bucks for this.  All complaints should be Copyright 1996 by Scott Weiser All rights of reproduction or distribution are retained by the author. PGP 2.62 public key fingerprint: A6 BD 79 21 A4 24 7B 10  F1 4C 2E BF D1 40 2A 0A

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I read this on the fly-fishing site and pass it on for comment.  Obviously, the people who slammed his fishing spot were jerks but what’s concensus for fisher-paddler etiquette?   (snip) It sucks. If I were fishing and someone pulled this on me, I’d tie on a #10 weighted Wooly Bugger on 15 lb. test tippet and thwack them smartly on the head.  With any luck, I’d even snag an expensive Goretex jacket and rip a great big hole in it, and maybe them. In fact, I did manage to puncture a polycheapo raft with a drunken lout in it on the Rogue River a couple of weeks ago who did exactly that. When I’m fishing, you’d better be polite, or stay out of range. Scott Weiser

I see the hugely entertaining Mr. Wieser has once again blessed our humble piece of bandwidth with his presence. The above sounds like a great idea.  Someone is rude or comes too close, so you try to put a hook in them.  A very civil solution.  Or you could just "shoot to wound".  That’ll teach ‘em! – Bill Herring "Can’t we just all get along?" – Rodney King

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Can anyone tell me if they are happy with Nautiraid? I am thinking of a folding boat purchase but have not heard much about Nautiraid.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read this on the fly-fishing site and pass it on for comment.  Obviously, the people who slammed his fishing spot were jerks but what’s concensus for fisher-paddler etiquette?   (snip) It sucks. If I were fishing and someone pulled this on me, I’d tie on a #10 weighted Wooly Bugger on 15 lb. test tippet and thwack them smartly on the head.  With any luck, I’d even snag an expensive Goretex jacket and rip a great big hole in it, and maybe them. In fact, I did manage to puncture a polycheapo raft with a drunken lout in it on the Rogue River a couple of weeks ago who did exactly that. When I’m fishing, you’d better be polite, or stay out of range. Scott Weiser I see the hugely entertaining Mr. Wieser has once again blessed our humble piece of bandwidth with his presence. The above sounds like a great idea.  Someone is rude or comes too close, so you try to put a hook in them.  A very civil solution.  Or you could just "shoot to wound".  That’ll teach ‘em!

Hey, *some* people are so dense they require operant conditioning and aversion therapy to get the message. Civil is as civil does. — Regards, Scott Weiser ****** "I love the Internet, I no longer have to depend upon my friends, family and co-workers, I can annoy people WORLDWIDE!" ****** The opinions expressed are my own.  If I were a lawyer, you’d be paying big bucks for this.  All complaints should be Copyright 1996 by Scott Weiser All rights of reproduction or distribution are retained by the author. PGP 2.62 public key fingerprint: A6 BD 79 21 A4 24 7B 10  F1 4C 2E BF D1 40 2A 0A

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What is a #10 Wooly Bugger?  Sounds like what my brother’s girlfriend used to call his… Whoops!  Sorry, gotta get back to work… Ed

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly This weekend I had some bad experiences with kayakers while fishing the Cache La Poudre River in Colorado.  The river was full of kayakers and whitewater rafters.  To my surprise, the whitewater rafters were usually pretty courteous when passing my way (going well away from where I was fishing and coasting by as quietly as possible), but the kayakers were another story – they’d cruise by close to me, splashing each other, talking loudly – one group of four kayakers even stopped in the section I was fishing to perform maneuvers! My personal opinion is that you should discreetly suggest that they move on…try a subtle suggestion… "GET THE HELL OUTTA MY DRIFT YOU YUPPIE BASTARD OR I’LL CREASE YOUR NOODLE" (Stolen without permission from "Fear of Flyfishing"). TimW (Only kidding, violence is not a good suggestion…now, letting the air out of the tires of their shuttle vehicle, THAT can be VERY effective and satisfying).

My thoughts exactly!  I’ve  had similar problems lately on the small river I fish in southwestern Michigan.  It’s quite popular with tubers.   Right now, the window of opportunity for a flyfisherman is limited to approx. a half hour to an hour before dark.  I was out on Sunday and didn’t see a soul until just before dark.  Guess what?  I didn’t see any other fisherman but two separate groups of tubers floated by just as the fish were getting active.  While on the of the tubers was courteous enough to ask where I was fishing, his partner ignored me and floated right over a rising fish.  Then, the second group floated by a few minutes later and showed no consideration whatsoever.  There’s no way they could have finished their float trip by dark.  They have all damn day to float yet they choose to recreate at dusk showing no respect for anyone else.  It puts evil thoughts in your mind.  Of course, the obligatory floatilla of bobbing beer cans followed in close pursuit. BFisher

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Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly This weekend I had some bad experiences with kayakers while fishing the Cache La Poudre River in Colorado.  The river was full of kayakers and whitewater rafters.  To my surprise, the whitewater rafters were usually pretty courteous when passing my way (going well away from where I was fishing and coasting by as quietly as possible), but the kayakers were another story – they’d cruise by close to me, splashing each other, talking loudly – one group of four kayakers even stopped in the section I was fishing to perform maneuvers!

My personal opinion is that you should discreetly suggest that they move on…try a subtle suggestion… "GET THE HELL OUTTA MY DRIFT YOU YUPPIE BASTARD OR I’LL CREASE YOUR NOODLE" (Stolen without permission from "Fear of Flyfishing"). TimW (Only kidding, violence is not a good suggestion…now, letting the air out of the tires of their shuttle vehicle, THAT can be VERY effective and satisfying).

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(snip) If I were fishing and someone pulled this on me, I’d tie on a #10 weighted Wooly Bugger on 15 lb. test tippet and thwack them smartly on the head.  With any luck, I’d even snag an expensive Goretex jacket and rip a great big hole in it, and maybe them. In fact, I did manage to puncture a polycheapo raft with a drunken lout in it on the Rogue River a couple of weeks ago who did exactly that. When I’m fishing, you’d better be polite, or stay out of range.

Scott, Do us all a big favor and go crawl back under the rock you’ve been hiding under (or was that bloated mass you were cowering under your mother?). Your recent absence from this newsgroup has been wonderful. If you really were stupid enough to cast toward and snag someone (and from your posts, it seems likely you are), you would be entirely deserving of the beating your pathetic corpse received. Regards, Andy The opinions expressed above are my own, and do not necessarily represent those of my employer.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read this on the fly-fishing site and pass it on for comment.  Obviously, the people who slammed his fishing spot were jerks but what’s concensus for fisher-paddler etiquette?   Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly This weekend I had some bad experiences with kayakers while fishing the Cache La Poudre River in Colorado.  The river was full of kayakers and whitewater rafters.  To my surprise, the whitewater rafters were usually pretty courteous when passing my way (going well away from where I was fishing and coasting by as quietly as possible), but the kayakers were another story – they’d cruise by close to me, splashing each other, talking loudly – one group of four kayakers even stopped in the section I was fishing to perform maneuvers!   I understand that the river is for everyone, and because of that I don’t cast when kayakers are around.  But I’d like to think they could show the same type of courtesy by moving through the area slowly and quietly. I guess the easy solution to my problem is to find a section of the river that is kayaker/rafter free.  Does anyone know of any such section of the Poudre?  How about flyfishing only sections and/or catch and release sections?

I kayak sections of the Poudre below the Narrows regularly.  The water has indeed come down enough so that fishermen (and women) are starting to appear on sections that boaters use.  Earlier in the season, these sections are not really fishable, and much of it still cannot be waded. Commercial rafters on the Poudre usually don’t conflict with fisherpeople because they don’t eddy out very often.  They sail on by _everything_, and to give their customers the most exciting ride, they tend to look for the fastest current and the biggest waves, which will take them away from fisherpeople.  This search for excitement, however, sometimes causes inexperienced guides to flip rafts on otherwise inoccuous sections of the river, and they have been known to literally run over kayakers.  We generally sit in the eddies as they go by because of this. Reasonable kayakers usually stay away from fisherpeople.  The river, after all, is to be shared, and most kayakers do their playing in territory which is not very good for fishing.  Several possiblities for conflict on the Poudre do arise, however: 1.  The Filter Plant run has good holding and wading water and is quite     fishable.  Novice kayakers still use it, though, and they may not     yet be properly "socialized." 2.  The well-known pop-up hole on the Bridges run has an eddy immediately     below it where kayakers wait their turn to attempt enders.  I have     heard that a couple of fishermen have decided that they need to fish     that particular eddy, and they will attempt to drive kayakers away.     Sometimes they will appear when kayakers are there and demand that     they leave.  I have not personally observed this behavior. 3.  I encountered a fisherman at the bottom of PineView Falls who was     casting into an eddy on the far side of the river.  The area is not     wadeable, although the eddy may have held some fish.  The river is     narrow at that point, so the cast was easy, but the presence of his     line all the way across the river created a problem for any kayak or     raft running PineView. Other possibilities for conflict exist anywhere there is an eddy.  By the way, when communicating with fisherpeople, kayakers should be aware that they may refer to an eddy as a "hole," a term which has a different meaning for us! As for good fishing, a couple of places come to mind.  As I mentioned, much of the Filter Plant run is pretty good, and has reduced kayak traffic when the water is low.  Keep #1 above in mind, however.  What traffic there is may be irritating because they don’t know any better. The section above the low bridge below Rustic is rumored to be excellent trout water, and the flatwater curves below the fish hatchery (the Indian Meadows area) are well-known for providing excellent fishing. Indian Meadows is wild trout water, with special restrictions on what you can keep.  No problem for catch-and-release. The Big South fork has some nice fishing water about half a mile from the highway.  People kayak the Big South occasionally, but they have keepers who take them back to the Home directly from the takeout so that they won’t be a danger to society.      John Cooley

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The Housie smallie is worth the fishing. During the summer I fish the times and locations where the trout shouldn’t be, and almost never hook one. The bass will hit all day long on hot summer days, while the trout are more active at dawn, dusk and after dark. Fish a big crayfish-looking fly like a #4-6 wolly bugger rather than petite nymphs or dries. Fish outside ( for me usually downstream of) the stocked trout management area. Avoid cooler feeder stream entries and more highly oxygenated areas where the trout might congregate. ( There’s some discussion of closing down fishing in the management area during hot weather, so also check the streamside postings.) The Housatonic Flyfishermens’ Association ( Sorry, there’s no phone number on my membership card) is a valuable source of information and guidance. Maybe another reader can provide the #, or let me know and I’ll send you a copy of the next newsletter.

I’ve let the above repeat because it is good advice, worth repeating.  The HFFA information recording is at 203 248-8616.  If you are wading, watch out for the releases.  Sometimes Northeast Utilities has the water release schedule at 860 824-7861.  Having screwed up by failing to maintain and lying about the condition of their nuke plants, NU has had to shut almost all down, creating a potential for brown outs or worse, so the power plant at Falls Village tends to be running a lot.

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All, I just moved to Ct. and understand the trout in the Hous get very stressed as the water temp. increases. I would like to leave them to rest and catch smallmouth instead! Any tips would be appreciated.

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The Housie smallie is worth the fishing. During the summer I fish the times and locations where the trout shouldn’t be, and almost never hook one. The bass will hit all day long on hot summer days, while the trout are more active at dawn, dusk and after dark. Fish a big crayfish-looking fly like a #4-6 wolly bugger rather than petite nymphs or dries. Fish outside ( for me usually downstream of) the stocked trout management area. Avoid cooler feeder stream entries and more highly oxygenated areas where the trout might congregate. ( There’s some discussion of closing down fishing in the management area during hot weather, so also check the streamside postings.) The Housatonic Flyfishermens’ Association ( Sorry, there’s no phone number on my membership card) is a valuable source of information and guidance. Maybe another reader can provide the #, or let me know and I’ll send you a copy of the next newsletter.

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Friends from England expect visit Vanc. Isl. -Nanaimo and north- late June / early July.They would like to do some flyfishing, prefer dry fly, either fishing lakes from canoe or river wading.  Would appreciate any suggestions of suitable waters and reccommened fly patterns. Thanks in advance

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Friends from England expect visit Vanc. Isl. -Nanaimo and north- late June / early July.They would like to do some flyfishing, prefer dry fly, either fishing lakes from canoe or river wading.

For fly patterns, etc. Roderick Haig-Brown’s books are unbeatable:  he lived there (besides being one of the top angling writers of the century.) For geography, the best source 20 years ago was paperback guidebooks by Alec Merriman of the Victoria Daily Colonist, published by Saltaire. Your friends should also be aware of tidewater fishing for sea-dwelling cutthroat trout, which many people think the best summer angling on Vancouver Island. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Contact: 1. Murphy’s Sportsfishing Centre in Port Alberni, B.C. (on the island), 4213 Princess Ave., V9Y 5R2, 604-723-8022 2. http://deepcove.com/fish_hotline/ 3. http://vvv.com/flyfish/ 4. http://www.nwlink.com/~mmurphy/wbc.html B. PS. Can someone tell me how to take bookmarks and imbed them into a e-mail/post? Or at least how to copy the text and paste it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Friends from England expect visit Vanc. Isl. -Nanaimo and north- late June / early July.They would like to do some flyfishing, prefer dry fly, either fishing lakes from canoe or river wading. Would appreciate any suggestions of suitable waters and reccommened fly patterns. Thanks in advance

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Can any of you kind folks give me some tips for "power baits" for fishing in SW Ontario?  We’ll be on Clay Lake along the Wabigoon R. fishing mostly for Walleyes, Pike and Bass. I know the basics, Rapalas, yellow jigs, but what type of fishing is interesting and different? What rigs & colors etc. can be sucessful? I’ll be trying to impress/outfish the curmudgeon fatherinlaw so I am truly in need! Thanks Chad

If you really want something "interesting and different" and impress your "curmudgeon fatherinlaw" try fly fishing. When I started fly fishing, it was in similar circumstances. I knew nothing about it, just bought a cheap sporting goods store outfit and a book. When we arrived at the rental house we were staying at in the Sierra Nevadas, I sat down with the book to setup the outfit, tie the knots, etc., taking flak all the time ("You’ll never catch anything","You don’t know what you’re doing", etc.). To make a long story short, I caught a modest (10 in.) brown trout on my second cast. In this case it was my father who was with me, but was he impressed! Fly fishing has become my life long pursuit ever since. Darryl

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snip.. different? What rigs & colors etc. can be sucessful? I’ll be trying to impress/outfish the curmudgeon fatherinlaw so I am truly in need! Thanks Chad If you really want something "interesting and different" and impress your "curmudgeon fatherinlaw" try fly fishing. When I started fly

snip.. my father who was with me, but was he impressed! Fly fishing has become my life long pursuit ever since. Darryl

No chance there. The man built me my fly rod! A splendid 4 wt. for the panfish and scattered trout that can be had here in the Midwest. Meanwhile he "flies" into Central American looking for Bonefish and Tarpon.  I love the magical energy of a fine rod and an artful cast, not to mention the explosion of fishy energy after that minute fly floats down to kiss the water’s surface. — chad

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Stuff Deleted… No chance there. The man built me my fly rod! A splendid 4 wt. for the panfish and scattered trout that can be had here in the Midwest. Meanwhile he "flies" into Central American looking for Bonefish and Tarpon.  

Sounds like your trip should be to a fly fishing lodge, then. Not to a place where you would be looking for hot colors for jigs, etc. Seriously, there are so many opportunities for quality fly fishing where you are going, why waste time on anything else? I love the magical energy of a fine rod and an artful cast, not to mention the explosion of fishy energy after that minute fly floats down to kiss the water’s surface. — chad

Couldn’t have said it better myself! Darryl

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  raps.   But in 3 weeks I will be on my anual trip to Kenora (dryden)   and shall give it a fair shot,..I’ll let you know how it goes there,   but right now I will mainly using my power baits  :)

I too will be heading up there in now about just approximately 11 days, 2 hours and some 55 minutes (moreorless). Can any of you kind folks give me some tips for "power baits" for fishing in SW Ontario?  We’ll be on Clay Lake along the Wabigoon R. fishing mostly for Walleyes, Pike and Bass. I know the basics, Rapalas, yellow jigs, but what type of fishing is interesting and different? What rigs & colors etc. can be sucessful? I’ll be trying to impress/outfish the curmudgeon fatherinlaw so I am truly in need! Thanks Chad

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DS Hello Marv (fellow BBS member here On Rose)  :)    I would have to agree 100%, I first saw the spoons in Cabelas   catalogue and thought they would be the ‘cats as*’ BUT upon buying one   (silver/blue/red) my hopes went WAY DOWN, plastic body, THICK/DULL   hook, not like the normal gamagatsu that are on normal rapala’s   I have yet to fish with one, so how knows, but if a lure does not   ‘feel’ good chances are I will not tie it on.    what I was hoping it   would be good for was in the Fall at Port Hope (ganaraska) at the pier   as the slamon and trout go crazy for the silver/blue/red rattling   raps.   But in 3 weeks I will be on my anual trip to Kenora (dryden)   and shall give it a fair shot,..I’ll let you know how it goes there,   but right now I will mainly using my power baits  :)   It’s close to a Johnson Silver Minnow but the body shape is slightly different. With the Johnson always used a Pork trailer, think the addition might change the "action" of said spoon (just a guess).  My Salmon Fishing Partner is going to open his swimming pool next weekend, alas I won’t be able to wet the Rap. Minnow as I’ll be on the water for the opening weekend of Walleye this coming Saturday with my Bassin’ Partner.  The Polaroid is loaded and hopefully will get some go pictures, and if we hit into the "deuce" sized Walleyes then a Shore Lunch might be on the Schedule.   Regards    Marv  *   —    RoseReader 2.10  P001256 Entered at [ROSE]    RoseMail 2.50 : RoseNet<=Usenet Gateway : Rose Media 416-733-2285

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