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sfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed.news.qwest.net!news.uswest.net.POSTED!hotmail. com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.bass, rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, rec.outdoors.rv-travel, rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats.anecdotes, rec.pets.cats.health+behav, rec.pets.dogs.behavior, rec.pets.dogs.breeds, rec.pets.dogs.health, rec.pets.herp, rec.photo.darkroom, rec.photo.digital, rec.photo.equipment.35mm, rec.ponds, rec.puzzles, rec.pyrotechnics, rec.radio.amateur.antenna, rec.radio.amateur.equipment, rec.radio.amateur.policy, rec.radio.cb, rec.radio.scanner, rec.radio.shortwave, rec.radio.swap, rec.roller-coaster, rec.running Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.180.10.166 CDT) Xref: lobby rec.outdoors.fishing.bass:94211 rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:255581 rec.outdoors.rv-travel:293806 rec.pets.birds:232117 rec.pets.cats.anecdotes:78842 rec.pets.cats.health+behav:208154 rec.pets.dogs.behavior:337306 rec.pets.dogs.breeds:334367 rec.pets.dogs.health:155401 rec.pets.herp:239339 rec.photo.darkroom:152720 rec.photo.digital:491405 rec.photo.equipment.35mm:573473 rec.ponds:169889 rec.puzzles:141835 rec.pyrotechnics:167659 rec.radio.amateur.antenna:159042 rec.radio.amateur.equipment:182124 rec.radio.amateur.policy:182315 rec.radio.cb:259857 rec.radio.scanner:235675 rec.radio.shortwave:230967 rec.radio.swap:396872 rec.roller-coaster:391541 rec.running:242223 Hello. I am a newbie in advanced HTML coding. Please check out my design at http://www.geocities.com/drakeljm/ and see what you think. Please reply your Lewis Miller

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Sorry… accidentally copied the NG… Mark

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Sorry… accidentally copied the NG… Mark

That’s okay. It gave those of us who missed it the first time a chance to send a complaint to his ISP — which I did. Mine (AT&T) must have filtered it out, surprisingly enough. Thanks. GB in NC

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I went to the library a couple of hours ago and checked out a book about the sense of smell, simply because it caught my eye.  While reading it at dinner a while ago I was reminded of the second thing I noticed on arriving at Jay’s cabin in the UP; the delicious and unique aroma of the north woods.  Every place has its own smell (libraries are another favorite, or rather, class of favorites…they’re all different) and this one, in the spring, combines rich undertones of damp earth, crisp aromatic conifers dominated by balsam fir, pungent aspens, and a host of lesser elements.  Every time it hits me I am immediately transported back to innumerable other visits for fishing, hunting, wood cutting, and sitting on the porch, which brings me to the first thing I noticed and which cut short my reverie, for there on the porch was the supine form of one medium sized Asadi.  It was either dead or asleep.  A few light kicks at the chair confirmed that it was the latter. After a few moments of hale fellow well mets I bundled the poor boy, much bedraggled from a long journey a hot sauna and wrasslin with some barley pop, off to see Agate Falls.  Agate is one of the more spectacular falls in the UP, which is littered with the things, and would later prove to be the last place we fished on this trip. When we got back to the neighborhood of the shack we stopped to visit Jay’s brother Bret, who lives in a trailer just a couple hundred yards down the road.  Bret is a journeyman electrician, which would allow him to live virtually anywhere he pleases.  He is also a VERY avid hunter and fisher.  That he chooses to live in such a place is indicative of what it has to offer to the outdoor enthusiast.  As we chatted (Asadi tried to buy Bret’s hat from his five year old daughter but she was too cagey for him), Jay drove up.  A few minutes later we all arrived at the shack to find Mr. Petah Charles there.  The evening was devoted to making plans for departure the next morning, sorting through gear, eating, and pouring offerings to the fish gods and the great god Ethanol.  Asadi, having gotten a considerable head start on the rest of us, easily won the evenings round of libations.  We were all pleased to discover that Peter speaks pretty good English for a ferriner.   We arose tolerably early the next morning and after a few brief stops for breakfast, extra packing food, conferences, mapping, waterfall viewing, fly shop hunting (without noticeable success, I might add), and other piddling chores, we managed to hit the trail precisely at the crack of noon….or thereabouts.  Jay decided to take a rather more challenging route than the rest of us so it was up to me to deliver the requisite lecture to the newbies…….stop whenever you feel a need, drink plenty of water, ANY discomfort on feet is to be taken very seriously and attended to immediately, yada, yada, yada.  I set a moderate pace for the first half mile so as not to tax the rookies. After a ten minute break during which Peter never bothered to remove his pack, I let him take the lead, and I spent the next hour and a half sprinting to keep him in sight while John, carrying some very heavy and very non traditional backpacking food and a head that looked suspiciously larger than it used to, was left to bring up the rear.  We arrived at the mouth of the Big Carp, after a trip of 4 1/4 miles, an hour and fifty minutes after hitting the trail, and this with a couple of rest stops totaling about fifteen minutes.  Goddamn Cannuck voyageurs!   More later……gotta rest. Wolfgang

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[ominous preclavian rumblings noted and snipped] More later……gotta rest. Wolfgang

John, Peter, and Wolfgang "alone together" in the woodz? Whoa… /daytripper (Jealous – or grateful? Tough call…

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____  I’ve received many E-mail inquiries as to my health and recent operations at the Mayo Clinic.  I’ve had three major operations this year and all in one year.  This last one again went over five hours on the operating table.  It seems the only way I can get a vacation is to go to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester. I guess, with experience comes confidence.  Frankly, I had a wonderful time in the operating room.  I had my first spinal and my anesthesiologist, Dr. David Cook, (a fellow fly fisherman) also kept me a little sleepy.  Every once in a while he would allow me to awake and I’d jabber what a wonderful time I was having which filled the operating room with laughter.  "So are we George.  You’re doing great by the way," and off I’d go, drifting off into dream land.  Dr. David Cook took great care of me and he talked softly about many things.  The operating room had several fly fishermen in it.  All of them, great knot tiers! What was done was, under excellent epidural anesthesia, a complete rebuilding of the aortofemoral graft and the removal of 35 years of cholesterol in the profunda femoris arteries.  Everyone has two of these usually.  I have three, which is rare.  Gore-Tex tubing was used in the by-pass grafting which will last forever.  Those who have circulation problems into their legs should consider this option available to them. If any of this information is of help, I’m glad to post it.  My future looks bright and I will be pedaling my bike in the near future as I work into my exercise program. Without some degree of physical fitness, which I have through exercise, most of this wouldn’t have been possible.  I should also mention that the Mayo Clinic is often cheaper in price than the majority of hospitals in the country, which may be surprising to some. Thank you all for your prayers.  They went with me and meant a lot.  I’m going to be just fine. Sincerely, George Gehrke —

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Glad to hear you are doing well, George. Tim Lysyk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ____  I’ve received many E-mail inquiries as to my health and recent operations at the Mayo Clinic.  I’ve had three major operations this year and all in one year.  This last one again went over five hours on the operating table.  It seems the only way I can get a vacation is to go to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester.

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Hi George, You will be soon called the ‘bionic fly fisherman’ ? It is amazing what they can do for us old guys today. I had an angioplasty about 5 years ago myself. Exercise and a good diet is the best thing for everyone. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ____  I’ve received many E-mail inquiries as to my health and recent operations at the Mayo Clinic.  I’ve had three major operations this year and all in one year.  This last one again went over five hours on the operating table.  It seems the only way I can get a vacation is to go to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester. I guess, with experience comes confidence.  Frankly, I had a wonderful time in the operating room.  I had my first spinal and my anesthesiologist, Dr. David Cook, (a fellow fly fisherman) also kept me a little sleepy.  Every once in a while he would allow me to awake and I’d jabber what a wonderful time I was having which filled the operating room with laughter.  "So are we George.  You’re doing great by the way," and off I’d go, drifting off into dream land.  Dr. David Cook took great care of me and he talked softly about many things.  The operating room had several fly fishermen in it.  All of them, great knot tiers! What was done was, under excellent epidural anesthesia, a complete rebuilding of the aortofemoral graft and the removal of 35 years of cholesterol in the profunda femoris arteries.  Everyone has two of these usually.  I have three, which is rare.  Gore-Tex tubing was used in the by-pass grafting which will last forever.  Those who have circulation problems into their legs should consider this option available to them. If any of this information is of help, I’m glad to post it.  My future looks bright and I will be pedaling my bike in the near future as I work into my exercise program. Without some degree of physical fitness, which I have through exercise, most of this wouldn’t have been possible.  I should also mention that the Mayo Clinic is often cheaper in price than the majority of hospitals in the country, which may be surprising to some. Thank you all for your prayers.  They went with me and meant a lot.  I’m going to be just fine. Sincerely, George Gehrke —

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Good to hear your up and about G. Maybe now you realize the truth of our current fly-fishing crisis. -Muskie

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While a Battenkill can be used in the Salt successfully, the Tibor and Abel are lifetime investments that are made by people who are going to use these reels many times a year over a period of years. Even with perfect care the Battenkill IMHO will not hold up to the continued stresses applied by Tarpon, Bonefish and especially Permit. My 2CW.

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Hi, I had a Ross Colorado II go bad on me (defective click-pawl from that year’s model which they promptly fixed at my local flyfishing store).  My buddy, who I recommended the reel to, had a spring break in his Colorado while on the river.  Since he didn’t have a backup reel, he had to hike back to the car and drive to town to get it fixed.  When he contacted Ross later, they told him that it shouldn’t have broken if taken care of properly.  However, the reel was under a year old so that is really no excuse at all.  They eventually sent him another replacement spring just in case, but I would have second thoughts about purchasing another Ross reel because of his experience. Tom BTW, my friend eventually did buy another Ross Colorado I reel for his 3 wt. outfit.  I guess he wasn’t as bothered by the experience as I was. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi: I have Ross reels (a gunnison and a saltwater) and have been happy with them, but recently someone pointed out that the way the reels connect to the drag is a a big weak point with the reel design.  Specifically, there are two thin pins from the spool that lock on to the drag mechanism.  It was pointed out that the weakness lies in that these two pins locking into the drag system seem to be a rather flimsy way of putting things together.  Any comments as I am considering another Ross saltwater.  By the way, Ross claims that they have only had one reel go sour while in use. Thanks, Adam

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It is sad that a reel manufacturing company can’t afford to mail a stupid spring to a customer who already was overcharged for an item made on a fanuc, computercized 3 axis sytem.  The reel took exactly 1 minute and 28 seconds to make, the housing, if they know what they are doing might take 1 minute 14 seconds.  Get the point? I have the Grand American Reel on the back burner Tom and I wish I was in production making the fnest single action reel in the world.  My plans are to be able to offer a $500 dollar reel for $75 bucks.  I just don’t have the machinery anymore. I am simply stating if you  were a customer of mine, you would never be unhappy.  This reel business is so full of shit I can’t believe it. It saddens me to see how these other reel manufacturers are still so arrogant with their customers.  I just might get involved again.  I invented the Marryat, and the Grand American . . . I’m just about ready to make a positive move if any more of this nonsense continues. I’m gone.  I’m listening. George Gehrke Fished hard this eveing for Ironheads, one bump, no fish. rats. But the evening was beautiful.  High cliffs and when the owls started to fly, I went home.

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Hi: I have Ross reels (a gunnison and a saltwater) and have been happy with them, but recently someone pointed out that the way the reels connect to the drag is a a big weak point with the reel design.  Specifically, there are two thin pins from the spool that lock on to the drag mechanism.  It was pointed out that the weakness lies in that these two pins locking into the drag system seem to be a rather flimsy way of putting things together.  Any comments as I am considering another Ross saltwater.  By the way, Ross claims that they have only had one reel go sour while in use. Thanks, Adam

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Hi: I have Ross reels (a gunnison and a saltwater) and have been happy with them, but recently someone pointed out that the way the reels connect to the drag is a a big weak point with the reel design.  Specifically, there are two thin pins from the spool that lock on to the drag mechanism.  It was pointed out that the weakness lies in that these two pins locking into the drag system seem to be a rather flimsy way of putting things together.  Any comments as I am considering another Ross saltwater.  By the way, Ross claims that they have only had one reel go sour while in use. Thanks, Adam

Hi All, I have never seen that part of a Ross reel fail. Many reel manufactures wish they had the dependability record of  Ross. We are talking about reels under $350, so we can’t compare them to an Abel or Tibor that are over $500 and well worth their price. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Hi All, I have never seen that part of a Ross reel fail. Many reel manufactures wish they had the dependability record of  Ross. We are talking about reels under $350, so we can’t compare them to an Abel or Tibor that are over $500 and well worth their price.

I wonder how the Able or Tibor compares to the Orvis Battenkill reels? From what I have seen the drag system seems very good on these reels – especially for the price (around $100)! -Greg

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Sounds like you need a chill pill.If you don’t want to read it don’t click on it. Sometimes I see some new or even good Things that has been posted by Manufacters or Tackle shops.I don’t guess it was you that posted the following.      FLY FISHIN’ LURE FOR SALE! Newsgroups:   rec.outdoors.fishing [More Headers] [Subscribe to rec.outdoors.fishing]<Picture make offer. never been used. nothin’ wrong with it. refunds available email me you adress if you interested ill deal with you the amount your willing to pay danyrat  TRYING TO SELL SOMETHING  IN THE NEWS GROUP ARE YOU!!!   GEEZE GET A LIFE <’(((<  Work is for people that don’t like to fish <’(((<

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DITTO!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sounds like you need a chill pill.If you don’t want to read it don’t click on it. Sometimes I see some new or even good Things that has been posted by Manufacters or Tackle shops.I don’t guess it was you that posted the following.      FLY FISHIN’ LURE FOR SALE! Newsgroups:   rec.outdoors.fishing [More Headers] [Subscribe to rec.outdoors.fishing]<Picture make offer. never been used. nothin’ wrong with it. refunds available email me you adress if you interested ill deal with you the amount your willing to pay danyrat  TRYING TO SELL SOMETHING  IN THE NEWS GROUP ARE YOU!!!   GEEZE GET A LIFE <’(((<  Work is for people that don’t like to fish <’(((<

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I don’t know about Danyrat, but some of the best vendors I’ve found have come from the newsgroups. The lure manufacturers who do sales over the Internet make stuff about 999% better than the mass market junk. Matthew Carter "Fishing with Matt" http://www.albany.net/~buzzbait/fishing/index.htm

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Thanks Buzzbait, I guess its us little folk that really keep things going. After all if it weren’t for us ,where would those big companies come from.Hell everything starts out as an idea. Oh yea while yer at it, how bout stoppin by The RodCrafters Journal. Wer’e small and trying to grow. http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865 The RodMaker

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My advise is, don’t fish it at all.  I’m still trying to get over a

leanard that I broke on an 8 inch stocked trout.  I did not hear a snap, nor felt a twang in the rod handle.  All of a sudden a foot of the tip section was slididng down the flyline.<BR Chances are your rod had a weak tip, a hook ding, or some other problem that finaly caused the tip to break.  One thing that will break any rod is putting too much of an arc on the tip when landing a fish – any fish.  And wiggling them around in your living room is a sure fire way to run into a wall or door with one and break the tip too. Graphite is hollow – most cane rods are solid (there are some hollow built cane rods out there) and cane is much stronger than you would think.  Lee Wulff landed many a salmon on a 6 foot cane rod.  They were once used for saltwater fsishing – and there are a good many cane spey rods in use today.  Tournament casters used Cane rods.  I’m sorry, but I have to disagree with you.  Cane rods are made for fishing. Al Manchester, NH

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Daylight Time – I have just bought one. Can anyone out there give me any tips on fishing the

thing?<< First – slow down your casting stroke.  It may take some getting used to, but if you learn to let the rod do the work for you, you will have a much better time of it. Never twist the ferrules when putting the rod together as you do with graphite.  Remember this little mantra for assembling and disasembling your rod:  Rod Together Hands Together – Rod Apart Hands Apart.  Push and pull – never twist. When fighting a heavy fish, try to turn the rod upside down for a bit of the fight.  A large fish can put a set in a cane rod – it’s rare but it can happen. Depending on the line weight of the rod, be careful throwing very heavy flies – weighted nymphs, wolly buggers – you get the idea.  My 6 weights will handle then quite well, but they put a strain on the 5 weights and below – especially those that are designated as Dry Fly actions with selicate tips.  It is a good way to break a tip. Always wipe the rod down after you finish using it and do let it dry for a day or so after fishing.  Never lean it against a wall or tree as this could cause a set too. Lastly – just fish the thing.  I have cane rods that were made in the 1930’s that still fish very well.  If a mishap should happen there are enough very good rod builders and restorers out there that getting it fixed will not be a big deal, and the price will be reasonable too. I fish cane rods almost exclusively now – and not the Paynes and Lenords – but Grangers and Heddons and South Bends – and dare i say it here – Orvis’s  - reasonably priced rods that still preform as well today as they did when they were made.  I enjoy the casting and the feel of a fish on cane.  Something that can not be duplicated in graphite – even in a Winston or T&T which are about as close to cane as you will get in graphite.  (when it comes to stripers you would have a hard time getting my PM10, Loomis or Sage away from me though – 8 9 10 wts) You are not going to throw 90 feet of line into a stiff breeze with most cane rods – but there is a magic in fishing them that can only be experianced.  Try it – you might just like it. Al Manchester NH

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You can tie right off to the top with a couple of overhand knots and a hank of line just a couple feet longer than the rod.  I like the little cork floats with the toothpicks.  Slide one of them up about 3 feet and set it. Don’t bother with snelled hooks, too expensive.  Just get a box of regular old bait hooks.   Add one (or none) small split shot about 8 inches above the hook.   Impale a shiner through the lips and holding your cane rod in one hand and the fish in the other sorta ’shwiang’ it on out there by a stump or pier foorting or the fender of that old Buick sunk out there and just pay real close attention to the cork.   When it goes under, give a sharp pull up and sorta ’shwiang’ the bluegill or perch or catfish right up on the bank.  When are ya goin’,  I’ll bring the hooch…. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Can anyone out there give me any tips on fishing the thing?

Sorry I forgot to sign my post Love&peace Mick Hendry

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Cane rods are for wiggling in your living room, PERIOD.

Thanks Pete I needed that , what line would you recommend for a 7 1/2 foot, no 6 1/2 foot rod  :( mick

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My advise is, don’t fish it at all.  I’m still trying to get over a leanard that I broke on an 8 inch stocked trout.  I did not hear a snap, nor felt a twang in the rod handle.  All of a sudden a foot of the tip section was slididng down the flyline. Cane rods are for wiggling in your living room, PERIOD.

Get real, people have been fishing these things since the turn of the century, they didn’t suddenly become fragile and useless when graphite was invented. I just spent 2.5 days fishing heavy nymphs and split shot on my 8.5′ Granger without any problems and lord knows there’s enough people out there who are fishing their cane rods fulltime for years and years without a problem. As for advice for the original poster, just remember to let your rod dry out — you can put it back in the case for the trip home but it’s usually a good idea to let the bag and rod dry for a day or two.  If you do encounter problems they’re usually related to the ferrules — just remember not to twist the rod when you’re seating the ferrules. And avoid those car doors… Good luck! TC

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having read the recent arguments about John Gierach over the recent months I read "Trout Bum" and enjoyed the idea of fishing cane rods so I have just bought one. Can anyone out there give me any tips on fishing the thing? Tips on playing,landing etc and how to care for the rod. I know I must keep it away  from the porcupines but there are not many up here in Yorkshire

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My advise is, don’t fish it at all.  I’m still trying to get over a leanard that I broke on an 8 inch stocked trout.  I did not hear a snap, nor felt a twang in the rod handle.  All of a sudden a foot of the tip section was slididng down the flyline. Cane rods are for wiggling in your living room, PERIOD. Pete C

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Does anyone know where i can order some caddis and/or mayfly larvae? thanks.

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Try contacting people that do trout streams, etc. Also Trout Unlimited may give you some names. If you dont need to many go to the nearest trout stream and pick them. Caddis larvae are easy to pick and they usually in large numbers. Good luck

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Does anyone know where i can order some caddis and/or mayfly larvae? thanks.

You can also look in Fly Fishing magazine in ads. People that do trout streams have ads there. ZB

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go to your nearest river or stream and try picking the nymphs and larvae off of the bottom of rocks.  I was wondering, do you want these to provide fish with a source of food?

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Does anyone know where i can order some caddis and/or mayfly larvae? thanks.

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Try contacting people that do trout streams, etc. Also Trout Unlimited may give you some names. If you dont need to many go to the nearest trout stream and pick them. Caddis larvae are easy to pick and they usually in large numbers. Good luck

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Does anyone know where i can order some caddis and/or mayfly larvae? thanks.

You can also look in Fly Fishing magazine in ads. People that do trout streams have ads there. ZB

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go to your nearest river or stream and try picking the nymphs and larvae off of the bottom of rocks.  I was wondering, do you want these to provide fish with a source of food?

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Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks? Examples: 3. Leaders can be kept in wallets. However, they are left on the line sometimes and I forget what they were when I put them on. What other methods do you folks use to keep your lines/leaders organized in your shop and/or on the waters? B.

Brian,         I tie my own leaders.  When I tie a leader, I wrap a short strip of paper around it with the length, weight, and formula source listed on it.  When I use the leader, the slip of paper goes into my reel pocket on my vest.  That way, when I fish next time, I can see what leader I have on.  This only gets me in trouble when I use more than one spool.  But, the leaders are usually substantially different for different lines, so I can figure it out. — Tight Threads,         Charley Renn         Corvallis, OR

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks? Examples: 1. I have heard that it is a good idea to mark your dry line about 30′ from the end. This is typically the ideal amount of line to load a rod. 2. Although a label comes with lines to be placed on the inside of the spool/reel, they do come off. It would be nice to mark the line somehow. 3. Leaders can be kept in wallets. However, they are left on the line sometimes and I forget what they were when I put them on. 4. How old is that line/leader? Date code? What other methods do you folks use to keep your lines/leaders organized in your shop and/or on the waters?

Lefty Kreh recommends using an indelible marker somewhere near the end and uses a code of a long stripe is 5 and a short mark is one. Then he identifies wt. forward by putting the short mark or marks in front (toward the end) of the 5 mark. For example a 7 wt forward line would be _.. (long short short) but a 7 wt. double taper would be .._ I imagine you could use an offset color for numbers less than 5 (ie. the off color short mark would be on one end or the other to show wt. forward or double taper). He never does explain how he would mark a 5 wt. line to show DT or WF. Perhaps 5 short marks to allow an off color mark on one end. I would imagine you could mark the 30 ft. spot the same way with indelible marker. I usually put the sticker on the spool when I attach the line. However, this is only convenient if you intend to leave the line on the spool always. $.02 Jon

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Try Cortland Lazer Lines,they are marked as to size. Also Climax Double Doubles are marked. Climax WF fly lines have a telemark on the line at the optimum pick up point.In lay terms the line changes color at that point. Tight Loops KW —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks? I don’t mark my lines as the way I figure it if I can’t remember what line is on a reel or in a spare spool; I’ve got too many lines. Could have used that money to take the kids to a movie! Marking distance can be good when you’re learning to cast if you need to know how much line you need off the top of the rod to load; (just try to spot that mark as you false cast!) but in practice how much is in the air depends on what you’re doing. I’ve never done it in about 20 years of flyfishing and I never missed it.  It may be usefull if you want to be able to say to yourself " hoo-eee, I just made an 80 foot cast" and tells the boys in the Bar you’re finally an ‘expert’ As if they’d care. 8^) Ralph H replace "spamsucks" with direct for email reply.

I find marking full sinking line in 10ft intervals is helpful in determining how much line is out, especially if you want to repeat a depth after a fish.  I use a sharpie and add one ring for each ten feet of depth. — The views expressed are my own and does not represent those of my employer.

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Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks?

I don’t mark my lines as the way I figure it if I can’t remember what line is on a reel or in a spare spool; I’ve got too many lines. Could have used that money to take the kids to a movie! Marking distance can be good when you’re learning to cast if you need to know how much line you need off the top of the rod to load; (just try to spot that mark as you false cast!) but in practice how much is in the air depends on what you’re doing. I’ve never done it in about 20 years of flyfishing and I never missed it.  It may be usefull if you want to be able to say to yourself " hoo-eee, I just made an 80 foot cast" and tells the boys in the Bar you’re finally an ‘expert’ As if they’d care. 8^) Ralph H replace "spamsucks" with direct for email reply.

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I mark all my fly lines in the first foot or two by using a series of magic marker lines. A wide line (approx 1/2") equals five, a thin line (approx 1/8") equals one, if the small marks are closer to the tip subtract from the five marker(s) and if the small marks are towards the belly add to the five marker(s). This system has worked for me for over five years. I use a color coded magic marker system for saltwater leaders as well. I keep a notebook in my tacklebag which contains all my notes as to what color is what weight, etc. HTH. — Tom Dougherty A.K.’s Fly Tying Tools http://www.aks-flytools.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks? Examples: 1. I have heard that it is a good idea to mark your dry line about 30′ from the end. This is typically the ideal amount of line to load a rod. 2. Although a label comes with lines to be placed on the inside of the spool/reel, they do come off. It would be nice to mark the line somehow. 3. Leaders can be kept in wallets. However, they are left on the line sometimes and I forget what they were when I put them on. 4. How old is that line/leader? Date code? What other methods do you folks use to keep your lines/leaders organized in your shop and/or on the waters? B.

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Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks?

I mark my lines at each end to show the line wt, mainly because I use a loop to loop connection between the line and backing. I use a Banford Sharpie permanent marker and use a wide mark for five and a narrow mark for one. I put the wide marks towards the front of the line. (I read this in a Lefty Kreh book but don’t know who invented the system).  I don’t use distance marks, the casting here in Georgia is usually pretty tight and the times I have fished the salt I just cast as far as I can and hope the fish can swim to my fly<g. FWIW. — Charlie…

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Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks? Examples: 1. I have heard that it is a good idea to mark your dry line about 30′ from the end. This is typically the ideal amount of line to load a rod. 2. Although a label comes with lines to be placed on the inside of the spool/reel, they do come off. It would be nice to mark the line somehow. 3. Leaders can be kept in wallets. However, they are left on the line sometimes and I forget what they were when I put them on. 4. How old is that line/leader? Date code? What other methods do you folks use to keep your lines/leaders organized in your shop and/or on the waters? B.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody mark their lines and leaders for identification? What kind of markers do you use and how do you code the marks? Examples: 1. I have heard that it is a good idea to mark your dry line about 30′ from the end. This is typically the ideal amount of line to load a rod. 2. Although a label comes with lines to be placed on the inside of the spool/reel, they do come off. It would be nice to mark the line somehow. 3. Leaders can be kept in wallets. However, they are left on the line sometimes and I forget what they were when I put them on. 4. How old is that line/leader? Date code? What other methods do you folks use to keep your lines/leaders organized in your shop and/or on the waters? B.

Hi Brian For years I’ve marked my lines for length just because I’m such a louse judge of distance and for no other reason. I use an indelible felt tip marker — at 30′, one mark, at 40′, two markes, at 50′, three marks and so on out to 80′. From there I know it a short distance to the and and very honestly though I can throw the line when needed I seldom have to use that much line for normal fishing conditions here in Montana. Regarding what line is on what spool I’ve had no problem keeping the little sticker on the inside of the spool if I place a small piece of clear "shipping tape" over the line weight sticker. Take care &… — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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1. I have heard that it is a good idea to mark your dry line about 30′ from the end. This is typically the ideal amount of line to load a rod.

I tried this when a beginner.  It soon becomes a waste of time.  The "ideal amount of line" is not something you see with the conscious eye — it is something you feel unconsciously in your hand and arm, while the eye is on the fish and the water. 2. Although a label comes with lines to be placed on the inside of the spool/reel, they do come off. It would be nice to mark the line somehow.

Yes, until you have identified which line types you trust.  Once you prefer particular brands of floaters, tapers, sink tips etc. you can buy (most) in distinctive colours, i.e. use the manufacturers’ color codes to keep track. 3. Leaders can be kept in wallets. However, they are left on the line sometimes and I forget what they were when I put them on. 4. How old is that line/leader? Date code?

These questions do not arise for people who use a permanent leader butt, which lasts as long as the line.  Nylon is cheaper than time; you put on a fresh tippet at the start of each session anyway; and it is easy to replace the intermediate tapered section once a year or more often if you feel the need, e.g. using a trout outfit for salmon. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I believe the Vermont season opens in April

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I am planning a family trip to Killington Vermont the 24th of January for a skiing vacation. Unfortunately I am pre- paid and am experiencing back problems so I am uncertain as to how uncomfortable skiing will be. If it is too painful I may hang up the skis for the flyrod. Anyone have any suggestions for some unfrozen and productive streams in the Killington vicinity that would be worth checking out? Fly patterns and other pertinent information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!

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The Massachusetts season is open all year.  You should be able to get to the Deerfield river or the Swift river within about an hour to an hour and a half from Killington.  Both are tailwater rivers with catch-and- release areas.  Fish small, slow and deep.   Tight Lines, Gerry Crow

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Does anyone know if there is a rod building newsgroup? If not, does this newsgroup handle most of the rod building questions? Thanks for your help. Bruce — —                        Andrew Pea & Co., Inc               Information and Technology Consultants                 Publisher, The Prairienet Companion                               -=*=-               Office 217-352-7830 * FAX 217-359-1761

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: Does anyone know if there is a rod building newsgroup? If not, does this : newsgroup handle most of the rod building questions? This group is perfect.  If you clearly state your topic in your, umm, topic. you will receive lots of help.  good luck. And I’m sorry about your name…it must have been a rough childhood.<g — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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Bruce, another source of rod building info (or anything to do with ANY aspect of fly fishing) is for you to subscribe to the Flyfish list.  We have several professional rod builders on the list and plenty of other people building rods. These type of questions come up all the time.  To subscribe, do the following: Message:  subscribe flyfish (space) your name You will then receive an incredible amount of mail from the list, so enjoy!! Frank Church Goshen, In

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: Does anyone know if there is a rod building newsgroup? If not, does this : newsgroup handle most of the rod building questions? This group is perfect.  If you clearly state your topic in your, umm, topic. you will receive lots of help.  good luck.

Thanks, I’ll need all the help I can get! And I’m sorry about your name…it must have been a rough childhood.<g

Yeah, it was fun. And I defy anyone to come up with something new I havn’t heard — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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