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I don’t know what on earth you’re talking about. …  From an old argument where you just discounted a dictionary definition (several of them, in fact) …

Still don’t know what on earth you’re talking about. Could it be that you’ve just got a bug up your ass ? — Ken Fortenberry- rhetorical question Willi, I know you’ve got a                   high horse up your ass.

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      Still don’t know what on earth you’re talking about.     Could it be that you’ve just got a bug up your ass ?     Ken Fortenberry- rhetorical question Willi, I know you’ve got a      high horse up your ass. better be careful…… you’re losing control….. your fascination with other mens’ asses is starting to roll….. Willi

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  <pedantic diatribe which boils down to a misunderstanding of the word ethics To wit: (from Merriam-Webster) the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group — Ken Fortenberry

Much as I would like to contest your in depth analysis, I have to admit I’ve always been a sucker for rigorous scholarship and meticulous research.  Oh sure, there’s always a bit of lingering resentment…..I mean, shit, a guy spends a lifetime reading books and thinking about these things (sometimes for whole minutes at a time!), only to be trumped by an obscure and unlooked for datum whose very existence no one could have foreseen or predicted, but still, one simply has to admire the insouciant ease of the dismissal.  But then, I guess it’s easy when you’ve got a distillation of the world’s wisdom at your fingertips in a single volume.      :( Wolfgang gotta get me one’a them webster thingys one’s these days.

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Cat fight!

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  Now *that’s* the Ken we know and love. — TL, Tim     ain’t it the truth, timj !  :) yfitons wayno

You bad, bad dry fly fisherman.  You KNOWWW he’s going to rise to THAT fly Wayne. Shame on you. Mr.G.

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Cat fight!

Heh, heh, heh. Hey Ken!  Fresh meat!      :) Wolfgang

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Bozeman, Montana, November 18, 2002:  For immediate release. The Federation of Flyfishers announced today the publication of its Code of Angling Ethics.  FFF is an international organization whose mission is to lead activities that enhance and support the fly fishing experience for all anglers who fish with the artificial fly. FFF Treasurer Gary Grant, who spearheaded the effort to develop the Code of Angling Ethics, said that FFF decided to examine this issue about two years ago.  "Articles and discussions about ethical behavior by anglers have surfaced from time to time, and it was time to see if a common set of guidelines with unifying themes could be developed." The FFF Code expresses the belief that ethical behavior is a key component of the angling experience, and that anglers must behave ethically towards each other, non-anglers, and the environment.  Grant concluded:  "Ethical angling behavior is not a destination for one to boost about reaching.  Rather, it is a continuous journey that will improve the overall angling experience." To learn more about the Federation of Fly Fishers, view the FFF website at: www.fedflyfishers.org< or contact FFF Executive Director Jim Rainey at 406-585-7592.

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Bozeman, Montana, November 18, 2002:  For immediate release. The Federation of Flyfishers announced today the publication of its Code of Angling Ethics.

<snip Phew! For a minute there I thought they were going to impose ethical standards on roff. It’s too bad that the only people who will read this code of ethics are people who probably already adhere to stronger standards. — TL, Tim

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Bozeman, Montana, November 18, 2002:  For immediate release. The Federation of Flyfishers announced today the publication of its Code of Angling Ethics.

Is there anything in there about leaving empty worm containers streamside?

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Phew! For a minute there I thought they were going to impose ethical standards on roff.

Yeah, right after they bring Cary Grant back to life.  :-) Joe F.

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It’s too bad that the only people who will read this code of ethics are people who probably already adhere to stronger standards.

Or to put it another way, the problem with codes of ethics is that they are inherently unethical.  They are either coercive or they are meaningless. Wolfgang

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The Federation of Flyfishers announced today the publication of its Code of Angling Ethics.

rw asks: Is there anything in there about leaving empty worm containers streamside?

The ethical angler always leaves a worm or two for the next guy. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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It’s too bad that the only people who will read this code of ethics are people who probably already adhere to stronger standards. Or to put it another way, the problem with codes of ethics is that they are inherently unethical.  They are either coercive or they are meaningless.

True, but how does that make them different from the regs?  The State coerces compliance with the regs; other anglers coerce compliance to a code, formal or informal, written or unwritten. JR

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It’s too bad that the only people who will read this code of ethics are people who probably already adhere to stronger standards. Or to put it another way, the problem with codes of ethics is that they are inherently unethical.  They are either coercive or they are meaningless. True, but how does that make them different from the regs?  The State coerces compliance with the regs; other anglers coerce compliance to a code, formal or informal, written or unwritten.

I see two major differences, one practical and the other philosophical. Practically speaking, a coercive code of ethics, in this instance at least (and I’ll look at others in a moment), has no teeth.  The worst that an organization like FFF can do to a violator is revoke membership, which has absolutely no effect on one’s ability or opportunities to go out and fish, ethically or otherwise.  State regulations, on the other hand, have very real and often severe coercive power; violations can result in lost privileges, fines, confiscation of equipment and, in serious cases, even imprisonment. Philosophically, the difference gets right to the heart of what ethics is about.  In essence, ethical behavior is doing what is right simply because it is the right thing to do.  In other words, ethical behavior is characterized expressly by the LACK of coercion and even , in some cases, despite coercive regulations to the contrary.  For example, fishing regulations virtually everywhere state that any fish which may not be legally kept must immediately be returned to the water unharmed.  Obviously, any ethical and/or law abiding fisher will do so whenever possible….but there’s the rub.  We have all encountered situations when a fish which may not be legally kept (due to size restrictions, for instance) is mortally injured by a hook and cannot be released unharmed, and the vast majority of us believe that delivering a quick coup de grace is preferable to allowing the fish to slowly bleed to death.  Clearly, anyone who believes this is ethically bound to kill the fish, contrary to the dictates of the law. As I suggested earlier, there are some situations when what is referred to as a code of ethics can be backed by real authority.  Unlike the case of the FFF, there are many individuals and organizations in a position to impose such a code and punish breaches with more than just a symbolic slap on the wrist.  Employers and associations like the AMA come readily to mind.  The problem here is that such codes fly in the face of what ethics are all about.  That is to say that if one accepts the notion that ethics is about doing the right thing for its own sake, then a code is superfluous at best and antithetical to the whole purpose of ethics in any case.  This whole mess arises through a misuse of the term ethics.  What people are actually being asked (or, more often, TOLD) to subscribe to should more correctly be referred to as a code of conduct…..ethics simply don’t enter into the equation except insofar as one is willing to concede that whoever is doing the dictating has taken an ethical stance.  The irony is that people in a position to dictate "ethics" to someone else are, typically, well educated. They certainly SHOULD know that you cannot dictate ethics and that any pretence to doing so is deceitful and hence, as most thinking persons would likely agree, unethical. Wolfgang

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  <pedantic diatribe which boils down to a misunderstanding of the word ethics To wit: (from Merriam-Webster) the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group — Ken Fortenberry

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  <pedantic diatribe which boils down to a misunderstanding of the word ethics To wit: (from Merriam-Webster) the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group

Hmmm. This is what I got  from Merriam-Webster Collegiate: 1 : the discipline dealing with what is good and bad and with moral duty and obligation — TL, Tim (me thinks Wolfgang is correct)

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          <pedantic diatribe which boils down to a misunderstanding of the word   ethics     To wit: (from Merriam-Webster)     the principles of conduct governing an individual or a group     Thought you didn’t accept dictionary definitions or is that just when they disagree with what you believe? Willi

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Hmmm. This is what I got  from Merriam-Webster Collegiate: 1 : …

Keep on reading. All the way down to 2 c:. (me thinks Wolfgang is correct)

And methinks you can’t even spell methinks. — Ken Fortenberry- you’ve got a dictionary, fer cryin’ out loud USE the damn thing

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Thought you didn’t accept dictionary definitions …

I don’t know what on earth you’re talking about. Which dictionary definition am I supposed to not accept ? — Ken Fortenberry

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Hmmm. This is what I got  from Merriam-Webster Collegiate: 1 : … Keep on reading. All the way down to 2 c:.

I saw it, but by the time the definitions get to "2c" they’re getting pretty weak. 1 trumps 2c.  ;-) (me thinks Wolfgang is correct) And methinks you can’t even spell methinks. — Ken Fortenberry- you’ve got a dictionary, fer cryin’ out loud USE the damn

thing Now *that’s* the Ken we know and love. — TL, Tim (my dictionary says you misspelled fur)

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correct) And methinks you can’t even spell methinks. — Ken Fortenberry- you’ve got a dictionary, fer cryin’ out loud USE the damn thing Now *that’s* the Ken we know and love. — TL, Tim

    ain’t it the truth, timj !  :) yfitons wayno

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    Thought you didn’t accept dictionary definitions …         I don’t know what on earth you’re talking about. Which dictionary   definition am I supposed to not accept ?     From an old argument where you just discounted a dictionary definition (several of them, in fact) because their definitions didn’t agree with your position. Willi

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Some few individuals prefer to save the cost of a reel and wind the line around their necks instead.  This is said to be a particularly effective method for salt water species like tarpon and sailfish as the large diameter of the neck (relative to that of a common reel arbor) ensures quick takeup of slack line. However, as this method is not widely practicesd (as yet) it is too soon to be certain of its efficacy.  We await your reports.

My understanding is that some individuals actually substitute very fine piano wire for fly line– something about eliminating memory IMR — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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Not that I would ever stoop to a Cabela’s Three Forks, but, just for the sake of discussion, what reel would make a good fit? Bugger p.s. Curiosity…

There’s only one choice… http://www.dutchreels.com/triangle.htm /daytripper (Aim high, grasshopper

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Should I try to remove the hook, or just cut the tippet? Bug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not that I would ever stoop to a Cabela’s Three Forks, but, just for the sake of discussion, what reel would make a good fit? Bugger p.s. Curiosity…

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Some few individuals prefer to save the cost of a reel and wind the line around their necks instead.  This is said to be a particularly effective method for salt water species like tarpon and sailfish as the large diameter of the neck (relative to that of a common reel arbor) ensures quick takeup of slack line. However, as this method is not widely practicesd (as yet) it is too soon to be certain of its efficacy.  We await your reports. My understanding is that some individuals actually substitute very fine piano wire for fly line– something about eliminating memory IMR

Correct.  But in either case the line catches on the ears when the fish is Wolfgang

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Not that I would ever stoop to a Cabela’s Three Forks, but, just for the sake of discussion, what reel would make a good fit? Bugger p.s. Curiosity…

They sell a combo with a Prestige reel for $69. The Prestige is an Okuma Sierra with Cabelas name on it so you are basically paying $30 for the reel, about $5-$10 less than you can find it retail. Here’s a link. : http://makeashorterlink.com/?V66322B12 G.C.

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<snipped educational material Some few individuals prefer to save the cost of a reel and wind the line around their necks instead.  This is said to be a particularly effective method for salt water species like tarpon and sailfish as the large diameter of the neck (relative to that of a common reel arbor) ensures quick takeup of slack line.  However, as this method is not widely practicesd (as yet) it is too soon to be certain of its efficacy.  We await your reports.

<SPLORK! — TL, Tim give a man enough fly line. . . .

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Okay. You fellas have lost me again. What is the logic to putting a $400 reel on a $39 rod?

The basic principle which underlies fly fishing (as most of us practice it at any rate) is that a rod is used to impart a certain amount of kinetic energy to a fairly heavy line which, in turn, then causes that energy to be transferred to a leader and thus to the fly at the end.  The rod and line are then used to maintain some control over the action of the fly which, if all goes well, will entice a fish to impale itself on the hook, at which time the rod and line are used to draw the fish toward the fisher who then either releases it or bops in on the pate and transfers it to a creel or some other receptacle until such time as it is convenient to cook and eat it.  The reel holds the excess line.  Some few individuals prefer to save the cost of a reel and wind the line around their necks instead.  This is said to be a particularly effective method for salt water species like tarpon and sailfish as the large diameter of the neck (relative to that of a common reel arbor) ensures quick takeup of slack line.  However, as this method is not widely practicesd (as yet) it is too soon to be certain of its efficacy.  We await your reports. Reeling with confusion,

Oh, you ain’t seen nuthin yet. Wolfgang

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Okay. You fellas have lost me again. What is the logic to putting a $400 reel on a $39 rod?

You said nothing about logic. You asked for a "good fit." My guess is it fits good. HTH, Russell Bet there are others that will fit as well.

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Okay. You fellas have lost me again. What is the logic to putting a $400 reel on a $39 rod?

Oops…I must have neglected to include one of these     with my original reply.  Handy little things, really.  I find that they can often clarify even the most senseless posts.  HTH. Cheers, Bill

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Okay. You fellas have lost me again. What is the logic to putting a $400 reel on a $39 rod? Reeling with confusion, Bug

Hook, line and sinker, and pole too! — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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Okay. You fellas have lost me again. What is the logic to putting a $400 reel on a $39 rod? Reeling with confusion, Bug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not that I would ever stoop to a Cabela’s Three Forks, but, just for the sake of discussion, what reel would make a good fit?  You might want to check out the San Miguel Vision by Ross or Abel’s Super Series.  I don’t think that you’ll be disappointed with either choice.  HTH. Cheers, Bill —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Okay. You fellas have lost me again. What is the logic to putting a $400 reel on a $39 rod?

The logic is that you spent way too much on a reel and you only have $40 to spend on the stinking fly rod….

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Not that I would ever stoop to a Cabela’s Three Forks, but, just for the sake of discussion, what reel would make a good fit?

Ross San Miguel.  Perfect fit for that rod.  

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Not that I would ever stoop to a Cabela’s Three Forks, but, just for the sake of discussion, what reel would make a good fit?

 You might want to check out the San Miguel Vision by Ross or Abel’s Super Series.  I don’t think that you’ll be disappointed with either choice.  HTH. Cheers, Bill —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Not that I would ever stoop to a Cabela’s Three Forks, but, just for the sake of discussion, what reel would make a good fit? Bugger p.s. Curiosity…

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" Miranda Writes" < wrote This has to be shared with some other newsgroups… WASHINGTON — John Spankitt, president of the Sperm Is Life League

(SPILL) + Please don’t feed the troll.

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Meet my good friend,         Willie, the one-eyed wonder worm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Also top-posting:  my favorite (stroke your oar) is not in the list. Luha             M/M and now, to add to this story,  we have late-breaking news- A  complete list of acts which Spill wishes to ban follows:  THE CANONICAL LIST OF EUPHEMISMS FOR MALE MASTURBATION:        1. Arm-wrestle with your one-eyed vessel        2. Attack the one-eyed purple-headed warrior        3. Audition the finger puppets        4. Audition your hand puppet        5. Backstroke roulette        6. Bash the candle        7. Battle with the Purple Helmeted Warrior of Love        8. Be your own best friend        9. Beat off       10. Beat the Bishop       11. Beat the bologna       12. Beat the dummy       13. Beat the meat       14. Beat the pud       15. Beat the stick       16. Beat up your date       17. Beef tips stroking off       18. Bleed the weed       19. Blow your load       20. Blow your own horn       21. Bludgeon the beefsteak       22. Bop the bologna       23. Bop the bonzo       24. Box the Jesuit       25. Box with Richard       26. Buff the banana       27. Bugger your hand       28. Burp the baby       29. Burp the worm       30. Butter the corn       31. Caning the vandal       32. Charm the snake       33. Check for testicular cancer       34. Cheese off       35. Choke Kojak       36. Choke the chicken       37. Choke the sheriff and wait for the posse to come       38. Clamp the pipe       39. Clean your rifle       40. Clear the snorkel       41. Climb the tree       42. Closet Frisbee       43. Come into your own       44. Cook the cream of cock       45. Corral your tadpole       46. Couch hockey for one       47. Crank the love pump       48. Crank the shank       49. Crimp the wire       50. Crown the king       51. Cuddle the kielbasa       52. Cuff the carrot       53. Daisy-chaining       54. Date Miss Michigan       55. Date Mrs. Palmer and Her five daughters       56. Date Rosie Palm and her five sisters       57. Defrosting the fridge       58. Diddle       59. Digital penile oscillation       60. Do It Your Way       61. Do handiwork       62. Do the White Knuckler       63. Do the janitor thing       64. Drain the monster       65. Dry humping the ottoman       66. Electing the President       67. Engage in safe sex       68. Exercise one’s right       69. Feed the ducks       70. Fiddle the flesh flute       71. Fist fuck       72. Fist your mister       73. Five knuckle shuffle       74. Five-knuckle-shuffle on the old piss pump       75. Flick your Bic       76. Fling your phallus       77. Flip the Bishop       78. Flog the Bishop       79. Flog the dog       80. Flog the dolphin       81. Flog the dong       82. Flog the hog       83. Flog the log       84. Flog the mule       85. Fly fishing       86. Fondle your flagpole       87. Free Willy       88. Friggit       89. Frost the pastries       90. Gallop the antelope       91. Gallop the old lizard       92. Genital stimulation via phallengetic motion       93. Get a date with Slick Mittens       94. Get chafed       95. Get off       96. Get the German soldier marching       97. Get to know yourself       98. Get your pole varnished       99. Give it a tug      100. Give your low five      101. Go a couple of rounds with ol’ Josh      102. Go blind      103. Go on a date with Fisty Palmer      104. Go on a date with Handrea and Palmela      105. Go the blow      106. Goose the gherkin      107. Grease the pipe      108. Hack the hog      109. Hand job      110. Hand shandy      111. Hard labor      112. Have one off the wrist      113. Hitchhike to heaven      114. Hitchhike underneath the big top      115. Hold the Bishop      116. Hold the sausage hostage      117. Hone the cone      118. Honk your horn      119. Hug the hog      120. Human version of AUTOEXEC.BAT      121. Hump your hose      122. Jack hammer      123. Jack off      124. Jazz yourself      125. Jerk      126. Jerk Jamby      127. Jerk it      128. Jerk off      129. Jerk the gherkin      130. Jizzlob      131. JocelynEldering      132. Kick your roommate out for five to ten minutes to "call your parents"      133. Look for ticks      134. Lope the mule      135. Love the muppet      136. Love’s labors lost      137. Make a foreskin cone      138. Make instant pudding      139. Make the bald man puke      140. Making soup      141. Mangle the midget      142. Manipulate the mango      143. Manual labor      144. Manual override      145. Master Bacon, meet Rosie Hancock      146. Meat with Mother Thumb and her four daughters      147. Milk the Lizard      148. Milk the cow      149. Milk the moose      150. Milk the self      151. Milking the lizard      152. Mount a corporal and four      153. Much goo about nothing      154. Nerk your throbber      155. Null the void      156. Oil the glove      157. Onan’s olympics      158. One gun salute      159. One man band      160. One-night-stand with yourself      161. Pack your palm      162. Paddle the pickle      163. Paint the ceiling      164. Paint the pickle      165. Palm the calm      166. Peel some chilis      167. Peel the banana      168. Perform diagnostics on your ManTool      169. Pet the lizard      170. Pip the pumpkin      171. Play Uno      172. Play a little five-on-one      173. Play a one stringed guitar      174. Play five against one      175. Play in a one-man show      176. Play peek-a-boo      177. Play pocket pinball      178. Play pocket pool      179. Play tag with the pink torpedo      180. Play the skin flute      181. Play tug-o-war with Cyclops      182. Play with your turtle (for uncircumcised guys)      183. Playing the one-stringed melody      184. Please your pisser      185. Plunk your twanger      186. Polish Percy in your palm      187. Polish the Rocket      188. Polish the family jewels      189. Polish the helmet      190. Polish the rock-hard staff of St. Peter      191. Polish the rocket      192. Polish the sword      193. Pound off      194. Pound the bald-headed moose      195. Pound the pud      196. Pound your flounder      197. Pound your pud      198. Prepare the carrot      199. Prime the pump      200. Pull off      201. Pull rank      202. Pull the bologna pony      203. Pull the carrot      204. Pull the cord      205. Pull the goalie      206. Pull the pole      207. Pull the Pope      208. Pull the pud      209. Pull your own leg      210. Pull your prick      211. Pull your taffy      212. Pump the python      213. Pump the stump      214. Punch the clown      215. Punch the munchkin      216. Punish Percy in your palm      217. Ram the ham      218. Relieve tension      219. Ride the great white knuckler      220. Roll your own      221. Romeo and Himself      222. Rope the pony      223. Rope the Pope      224. Rub off      225. Rub one out      226. Rub the pink eraser      227. Run off a batch by hand      228. Sacrifice sperm to the god of lonely nights      229. Safest sex      230. Sand wood      231. Scour the tower of power      232. Scratch the itch      233. Secret handshake      234. Self abuse      235. Self-induced penile regurgitation      236. Sex with someone you really love      237. Shag      238. Shake hands with Abe Lincoln      239. Shake hands with Yul Brynner      240. Shake hands with the midget      241. Shake hands with the unemployed      242. Shake hands with your John Thomas      243. Shake hands with your wife’s best friend      244. Shake the sauce      245. Shake the sausage      246. Shake the snake      247. Shaling the snake      248. Shellac the shillelagh      249. Shemp the hog      250. Shift gears      251. Shine the helmet      252. Shine your pole      253. Shoot for the moon      254. Shoot putty at the moon      255. Shoot the airplane      256. Shuck your corn      257. Slakin’ the bacon      258. Slam the ham      259. Slam the salami      260. Slam the salmon      261. Slam the spam      262. Slap high fives with Yul Brynner      263. Slap it      264. Slap pappy      265. Slap the carrot      266. Slap the clown      267. Slap the donkey      268. Slap the pud      269. Slap the purple headed yogurt pistol      270. Slap the salami      271. Sling the jelly      272. Smack off      273. Smack the salami      274. Snap the monkey      275. Snap the rubber      276. Snap the whip      277. Solo flight      278. Solo marathon      279. Solo sex      280. Spank Frank (or Elvis)      281. Spank the Bishop      282. Spank the frank      283. Spank the monkey      284. Spank the salami      285. Spank the wank      286. Squeeze the cheese      287. Squeeze the juice      288. Squeeze the toothpaste in the middle of the tube      289. Squeeze your cheese-dog      290. Stinky pinky      291. Stir the batter      292. 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[snipped] Also top-posting:  my favorite (stroke your oar) is not in the list. Luha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –             M/M and now, to add to this story,  we have late-breaking news- A  complete list of acts which Spill wishes to ban follows:  THE CANONICAL LIST OF EUPHEMISMS FOR MALE MASTURBATION:        1. Arm-wrestle with your one-eyed vessel        2. Attack the one-eyed purple-headed warrior        3. Audition the finger puppets        4. Audition your hand puppet        5. Backstroke roulette        6. Bash the candle        7. Battle with the Purple Helmeted Warrior of Love        8. Be your own best friend        9. Beat off       10. Beat the Bishop       11. Beat the bologna       12. Beat the dummy       13. Beat the meat       14. Beat the pud       15. Beat the stick       16. Beat up your date       17. Beef tips stroking off       18. Bleed the weed       19. Blow your load       20. Blow your own horn       21. Bludgeon the beefsteak       22. Bop the bologna       23. Bop the bonzo       24. Box the Jesuit       25. Box with Richard       26. Buff the banana       27. Bugger your hand       28. Burp the baby       29. Burp the worm       30. Butter the corn       31. Caning the vandal       32. Charm the snake       33. Check for testicular cancer       34. Cheese off       35. Choke Kojak       36. Choke the chicken       37. Choke the sheriff and wait for the posse to come       38. Clamp the pipe       39. Clean your rifle       40. Clear the snorkel       41. Climb the tree       42. Closet Frisbee       43. Come into your own       44. Cook the cream of cock       45. Corral your tadpole       46. Couch hockey for one       47. Crank the love pump       48. Crank the shank       49. Crimp the wire       50. Crown the king       51. Cuddle the kielbasa       52. Cuff the carrot       53. Daisy-chaining       54. Date Miss Michigan       55. Date Mrs. Palmer and Her five daughters       56. Date Rosie Palm and her five sisters       57. Defrosting the fridge       58. Diddle       59. Digital penile oscillation       60. Do It Your Way       61. Do handiwork       62. Do the White Knuckler       63. Do the janitor thing       64. Drain the monster       65. Dry humping the ottoman       66. Electing the President       67. Engage in safe sex       68. Exercise one’s right       69. Feed the ducks       70. Fiddle the flesh flute       71. Fist fuck       72. Fist your mister       73. Five knuckle shuffle       74. Five-knuckle-shuffle on the old piss pump       75. Flick your Bic       76. Fling your phallus       77. Flip the Bishop       78. Flog the Bishop       79. Flog the dog       80. Flog the dolphin       81. Flog the dong       82. Flog the hog       83. Flog the log       84. Flog the mule       85. Fly fishing       86. Fondle your flagpole       87. Free Willy       88. Friggit       89. Frost the pastries       90. Gallop the antelope       91. Gallop the old lizard       92. Genital stimulation via phallengetic motion       93. Get a date with Slick Mittens       94. Get chafed       95. Get off       96. Get the German soldier marching       97. Get to know yourself       98. Get your pole varnished       99. Give it a tug      100. Give your low five      101. Go a couple of rounds with ol’ Josh      102. Go blind      103. Go on a date with Fisty Palmer      104. Go on a date with Handrea and Palmela      105. Go the blow      106. Goose the gherkin      107. Grease the pipe      108. Hack the hog      109. Hand job      110. Hand shandy      111. Hard labor      112. Have one off the wrist      113. Hitchhike to heaven      114. Hitchhike underneath the big top      115. Hold the Bishop      116. Hold the sausage hostage      117. Hone the cone      118. Honk your horn      119. Hug the hog      120. Human version of AUTOEXEC.BAT      121. Hump your hose      122. Jack hammer      123. Jack off      124. Jazz yourself      125. Jerk      126. Jerk Jamby      127. Jerk it      128. Jerk off      129. Jerk the gherkin      130. Jizzlob      131. JocelynEldering      132. Kick your roommate out for five to ten minutes to "call your parents"      133. Look for ticks      134. Lope the mule      135. Love the muppet      136. Love’s labors lost      137. Make a foreskin cone      138. Make instant pudding      139. Make the bald man puke      140. Making soup      141. Mangle the midget      142. Manipulate the mango      143. Manual labor      144. Manual override      145. Master Bacon, meet Rosie Hancock      146. Meat with Mother Thumb and her four daughters      147. Milk the Lizard      148. Milk the cow      149. Milk the moose      150. Milk the self      151. Milking the lizard      152. Mount a corporal and four      153. Much goo about nothing      154. Nerk your throbber      155. Null the void      156. Oil the glove      157. Onan’s olympics      158. One gun salute      159. One man band      160. One-night-stand with yourself      161. Pack your palm      162. Paddle the pickle      163. Paint the ceiling      164. Paint the pickle      165. Palm the calm      166. Peel some chilis      167. Peel the banana      168. Perform diagnostics on your ManTool      169. Pet the lizard      170. Pip the pumpkin      171. Play Uno      172. Play a little five-on-one      173. Play a one stringed guitar      174. Play five against one      175. Play in a one-man show      176. Play peek-a-boo      177. Play pocket pinball      178. Play pocket pool      179. Play tag with the pink torpedo      180. Play the skin flute      181. Play tug-o-war with Cyclops      182. Play with your turtle (for uncircumcised guys)      183. Playing the one-stringed melody      184. Please your pisser      185. Plunk your twanger      186. Polish Percy in your palm      187. Polish the Rocket      188. Polish the family jewels      189. Polish the helmet      190. Polish the rock-hard staff of St. Peter      191. Polish the rocket      192. Polish the sword      193. Pound off      194. Pound the bald-headed moose      195. Pound the pud      196. Pound your flounder      197. Pound your pud      198. Prepare the carrot      199. Prime the pump      200. Pull off      201. Pull rank      202. Pull the bologna pony      203. Pull the carrot      204. Pull the cord      205. Pull the goalie      206. Pull the pole      207. Pull the Pope      208. Pull the pud      209. Pull your own leg      210. Pull your prick      211. Pull your taffy      212. Pump the python      213. Pump the stump      214. Punch the clown      215. Punch the munchkin      216. Punish Percy in your palm      217. Ram the ham      218. Relieve tension      219. Ride the great white knuckler      220. Roll your own      221. Romeo and Himself      222. Rope the pony      223. Rope the Pope      224. Rub off      225. Rub one out      226. Rub the pink eraser      227. Run off a batch by hand      228. Sacrifice sperm to the god of lonely nights      229. Safest sex      230. Sand wood      231. Scour the tower of power      232. Scratch the itch      233. Secret handshake      234. Self abuse      235. Self-induced penile regurgitation      236. Sex with someone you really love      237. Shag      238. Shake hands with Abe Lincoln      239. Shake hands with Yul Brynner      240. Shake hands with the midget      241. Shake hands with the unemployed      242. Shake hands with your John Thomas      243. Shake hands with your wife’s best friend      244. Shake the sauce      245. Shake the sausage      246. Shake the snake      247. Shaling the snake      248. Shellac the shillelagh      249. Shemp the hog      250. Shift gears      251. Shine the helmet      252. Shine your pole      253. Shoot for the moon      254. Shoot putty at the moon      255. Shoot the airplane      256. Shuck your corn      257. Slakin’ the bacon      258. Slam the ham      259. Slam the salami      260. Slam the salmon      261. Slam the spam      262. Slap high fives with Yul Brynner      263. Slap it      264. Slap pappy      265. Slap the carrot      266. Slap the clown      267. Slap the donkey      268. Slap the pud      269. Slap the purple headed yogurt pistol      270. Slap the salami      271. Sling the jelly      272. Smack off      273. Smack the salami      274. Snap the monkey      275. Snap the rubber      276. Snap the whip      277. Solo flight      278. Solo marathon      279. Solo sex      280. Spank Frank (or Elvis)      281. Spank the Bishop      282. Spank the frank      283. Spank the monkey      284. Spank the salami      285. Spank the wank      286. Squeeze the cheese      287. Squeeze the juice      288. Squeeze the toothpaste in the middle of the tube      289. Squeeze your cheese-dog      290. Stinky pinky      291. Stir the batter      292. Stir the yogurt      293. Strain the main vein      294. Stroke it      295. Stroke off      296. Stroke the carrot      297. Stroke the dog      298. Stroke the mole      299. Stroke the one-eyed burping gecko      300. Stroke the satin-headed serpent      301. Stroke your poker      302. Stroke your twinkie      303. Strumming the one string harp      304. Take matters into your own hands      305. Take part in population control

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(top-posting) This has to be shared with some other newsgroups… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – GROUP WANTS TO BAN MASTURBATION BY YOSSARIAN KHAN THE FAUX NEWS SERVICE www.ftpg.net WASHINGTON — John Spankitt, president of the Sperm Is Life League (SPILL) today announced a campaign to outlaw masturbation. Within the month, according to Spankitt, SPILL plans to lobby President Bush, members of Congress, and state governors to introduce legislation criminalizing male self-gratification. "Men who masturbate quite clearly are murdering a potential life." Spankitt said. "Each teaspoonful of ejaculate carries millions of sperm, a single one of which can bring life. I think it’s pretty obvious that masturbators are killers." Mr. Spankitt said that details of detection and prosecution had yet to be addressed, but he was confident that answers would be coming soon. "President Bush and Congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle have expressed interest in our issue. They think it’s important to take a stand for life. It’s about morality." When questioned about possible sanctions, Spankitt referred to the Bible. "We’re debating that right now. Matthew 5:30 says ‘If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee . . .’ We think that’s a good start for first offenders. Amputation and education–those are key." SPILL plans to organize nationwide "SPILL Circles" in which men may come together for help with their compulsion. "Second offenders would have to be dealt with more severely," Spankitt continued. "As Genesis 38:9-10 says ‘. . . he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also.’ You can draw your own conclusions." Several reporters attempted to ask Spankitt if he had ever engaged in masturbation himself, at which time he declared the press conference closed and rushed from the room with the aid of his guide dog.

            M/M and now, to add to this story,  we have late-breaking news- A  complete list of acts which Spill wishes to ban follows:  THE CANONICAL LIST OF EUPHEMISMS FOR MALE MASTURBATION:        1. Arm-wrestle with your one-eyed vessel        2. Attack the one-eyed purple-headed warrior        3. Audition the finger puppets        4. Audition your hand puppet        5. Backstroke roulette        6. Bash the candle        7. Battle with the Purple Helmeted Warrior of Love        8. Be your own best friend        9. Beat off       10. Beat the Bishop       11. Beat the bologna       12. Beat the dummy       13. Beat the meat       14. Beat the pud       15. Beat the stick       16. Beat up your date       17. Beef tips stroking off       18. Bleed the weed       19. Blow your load       20. Blow your own horn       21. Bludgeon the beefsteak       22. Bop the bologna       23. Bop the bonzo       24. Box the Jesuit       25. Box with Richard       26. Buff the banana       27. Bugger your hand       28. Burp the baby       29. Burp the worm       30. Butter the corn       31. Caning the vandal       32. Charm the snake       33. Check for testicular cancer       34. Cheese off       35. Choke Kojak       36. Choke the chicken       37. Choke the sheriff and wait for the posse to come       38. Clamp the pipe       39. Clean your rifle       40. Clear the snorkel       41. Climb the tree       42. Closet Frisbee       43. Come into your own       44. Cook the cream of cock       45. Corral your tadpole       46. Couch hockey for one       47. Crank the love pump       48. Crank the shank       49. Crimp the wire       50. Crown the king       51. Cuddle the kielbasa       52. Cuff the carrot       53. Daisy-chaining       54. Date Miss Michigan       55. Date Mrs. Palmer and Her five daughters       56. Date Rosie Palm and her five sisters       57. Defrosting the fridge       58. Diddle       59. Digital penile oscillation       60. Do It Your Way       61. Do handiwork       62. Do the White Knuckler       63. Do the janitor thing       64. Drain the monster       65. Dry humping the ottoman       66. Electing the President       67. Engage in safe sex       68. Exercise one’s right       69. Feed the ducks       70. Fiddle the flesh flute       71. Fist fuck       72. Fist your mister       73. Five knuckle shuffle       74. Five-knuckle-shuffle on the old piss pump       75. Flick your Bic       76. Fling your phallus       77. Flip the Bishop       78. Flog the Bishop       79. Flog the dog       80. Flog the dolphin       81. Flog the dong       82. Flog the hog       83. Flog the log       84. Flog the mule       85. Fly fishing       86. Fondle your flagpole       87. Free Willy       88. Friggit       89. Frost the pastries       90. Gallop the antelope       91. Gallop the old lizard       92. Genital stimulation via phallengetic motion       93. Get a date with Slick Mittens       94. Get chafed       95. Get off       96. Get the German soldier marching       97. Get to know yourself       98. Get your pole varnished       99. Give it a tug      100. Give your low five      101. Go a couple of rounds with ol’ Josh      102. Go blind      103. Go on a date with Fisty Palmer      104. Go on a date with Handrea and Palmela      105. Go the blow      106. Goose the gherkin      107. Grease the pipe      108. Hack the hog      109. Hand job      110. Hand shandy      111. Hard labor      112. Have one off the wrist      113. Hitchhike to heaven      114. Hitchhike underneath the big top      115. Hold the Bishop      116. Hold the sausage hostage      117. Hone the cone      118. Honk your horn      119. Hug the hog      120. Human version of AUTOEXEC.BAT      121. Hump your hose      122. Jack hammer      123. Jack off      124. Jazz yourself      125. Jerk      126. Jerk Jamby      127. Jerk it      128. Jerk off      129. Jerk the gherkin      130. Jizzlob      131. JocelynEldering      132. Kick your roommate out for five to ten minutes to "call your parents"      133. Look for ticks      134. Lope the mule      135. Love the muppet      136. Love’s labors lost      137. Make a foreskin cone      138. Make instant pudding      139. Make the bald man puke      140. Making soup      141. Mangle the midget      142. Manipulate the mango      143. Manual labor      144. Manual override      145. Master Bacon, meet Rosie Hancock      146. Meat with Mother Thumb and her four daughters      147. Milk the Lizard      148. Milk the cow      149. Milk the moose      150. Milk the self      151. Milking the lizard      152. Mount a corporal and four      153. Much goo about nothing      154. Nerk your throbber      155. Null the void      156. Oil the glove      157. Onan’s olympics      158. One gun salute      159. One man band      160. One-night-stand with yourself      161. Pack your palm      162. Paddle the pickle      163. Paint the ceiling      164. Paint the pickle      165. Palm the calm      166. Peel some chilis      167. Peel the banana      168. Perform diagnostics on your ManTool      169. Pet the lizard      170. Pip the pumpkin      171. Play Uno      172. Play a little five-on-one      173. Play a one stringed guitar      174. Play five against one      175. Play in a one-man show      176. Play peek-a-boo      177. Play pocket pinball      178. Play pocket pool      179. Play tag with the pink torpedo      180. Play the skin flute      181. Play tug-o-war with Cyclops      182. Play with your turtle (for uncircumcised guys)      183. Playing the one-stringed melody      184. Please your pisser      185. Plunk your twanger      186. Polish Percy in your palm      187. Polish the Rocket      188. Polish the family jewels      189. Polish the helmet      190. Polish the rock-hard staff of St. Peter      191. Polish the rocket      192. Polish the sword      193. Pound off      194. Pound the bald-headed moose      195. Pound the pud      196. Pound your flounder      197. Pound your pud      198. Prepare the carrot      199. Prime the pump      200. Pull off      201. Pull rank      202. Pull the bologna pony      203. Pull the carrot      204. Pull the cord      205. Pull the goalie      206. Pull the pole      207. Pull the Pope      208. Pull the pud      209. Pull your own leg      210. Pull your prick      211. Pull your taffy      212. Pump the python      213. Pump the stump      214. Punch the clown      215. Punch the munchkin      216. Punish Percy in your palm      217. Ram the ham      218. Relieve tension      219. Ride the great white knuckler      220. Roll your own      221. Romeo and Himself      222. Rope the pony      223. Rope the Pope      224. Rub off      225. Rub one out      226. Rub the pink eraser      227. Run off a batch by hand      228. Sacrifice sperm to the god of lonely nights      229. Safest sex      230. Sand wood      231. Scour the tower of power      232. Scratch the itch      233. Secret handshake      234. Self abuse      235. Self-induced penile regurgitation      236. Sex with someone you really love      237. Shag      238. Shake hands with Abe Lincoln      239. Shake hands with Yul Brynner      240. Shake hands with the midget      241. Shake hands with the unemployed      242. Shake hands with your John Thomas      243. Shake hands with your wife’s best friend      244. Shake the sauce      245. Shake the sausage      246. Shake the snake      247. Shaling the snake      248. Shellac the shillelagh      249. Shemp the hog      250. Shift gears      251. Shine the helmet      252. Shine your pole      253. Shoot for the moon      254. Shoot putty at the moon      255. Shoot the airplane      256. Shuck your corn      257. Slakin’ the bacon      258. Slam the ham      259. Slam the salami      260. Slam the salmon      261. Slam the spam      262. Slap high fives with Yul

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Certainly does sound as if you were snorting something or other! A most attractive Aardvark lives just across the way, and being polite I sometimes stop, to pass the time of day. she has some awkward habits though, she likes snorting ants, but when you find aardvarks attractive, this just tightens up your pants. One takes more care in ones appearance, sports dentures and toupee and a surgically lengthened nose of course, is a real hit right away. I really wanted to be an orca, but my paltry fishing skills will not suffice, its very difficult to cast with fins as well, and the operation has its price. And so I am stuck with aardvarks, and am sometimes moved to prose, when a large and  juicy termite is sucked loudly up my nose, this often makes my poor eyes water, and you need a lot of wipes, zebras have it better, but its just too hard to transplant stripes. I have been approached by possums too, invited to their lair, but I think this may be mainly due, to my artificial hair, Gummy bears have also been sniffing around of late, but I just take out my dentures then, and leave them on the plate. This discourages such advances, and is really quite a lark, but when I forget to put them in again, it upsets my aardvark. I am proud of my proboscis now, it cost a pretty penny too, the only disadvantage now, is that I live in the local zoo. TL MC — "If you have tried everything you know, and nothing works, then perhaps it is time to accept that you don

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I also catch butterfly peacocks in South Florida. The ultimate bait is, of course, small shiners. The best artificial I’ve used for them is a #5 Rapala floating fire tiger.  The colors seem to really get their attention.  It also works well for largemouth bass! Brady – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – we have peacock bass in south fla. i use a number 13 rapala black or silver back, or a 1/8 oz stanly tadum willow leaf glod and silver spinnerbait with a zoom split tail trailer slow rolled. i found any good topwater bait , pop-r or zarra puppy gets them to. Cajunbass8 "THE TRUTH HURTS"

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If you would like to know what works in S. Florida, you might want to order a copy of Carlos Hidalgo’s "South Florida’s Peacock Bass ". He has suggestions for everything from live bait to flyfishing. It is locally available here in Ft. Lauderdale, but you might want to try my Freshwater Fishing Books page for a link to Amazon.com at http://inshore.com/bk-fresh.html . Jim Sawyer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a resident here in hawaii and I would like info on the best methods or lures to catch peacock bass. I haven’t been too successful in catching them and could use any suggestions on catching the butterfly strain of the peacock bass that are stocked here in hawaii. mahalo Lono

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(1)  Do any of you guys/gals who fish for Peacock Bass have pictures of them you could post? (2)  Has anyone ever ascertained if Peacock Bass could cross-breed with LMB bass or spots?  Or smallmouth? Warren Funk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you would like to know what works in S. Florida, you might want to order a copy of Carlos Hidalgo’s "South Florida’s Peacock Bass ". He has suggestions for everything from live bait to flyfishing. It is locally available here in Ft. Lauderdale, but you might want to try my Freshwater Fishing Books page for a link to Amazon.com at http://inshore.com/bk-fresh.html . Jim Sawyer I am a resident here in hawaii and I would like info on the best methods or lures to catch peacock bass. I haven’t been too successful in catching them and could use any suggestions on catching the butterfly strain of the peacock bass that are stocked here in hawaii. mahalo Lono

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Hey Warren — I just checked out page 742 of McClane’s Standard Fishing Encyclopedia (includes a nice picture).  According to McClane, the Peacock is a member of the cichlid family. Our favorite black beauties are members of the sunfish family.  I dont’ think we have to worry about hybridization because the only situation where members of two completely different families can mate and reproduce is in a cheap Sci-Fi movie. Gotta tell you a quick story about hybridization and cichlids.  Years ago I was strolling the shoreline of Town Lake which winds through downtown Austin, Texas.  When I see a group of anglers on the bank, it’s pretty hard for me to pass by without stopping to see what they’re catching, — especially, as in this case, when they’re acting excited.  So I trotted over and asked what was happening.  One of the older guys said, "My wife just caught the damndest thing you ever saw — it’s a cross between a Bluegill and a Piranha!"  His wife chimed in, "It ain’t safe to swim here anymore — these things could bite your leg off." I have to admit I was pretty curious because it is not unknown for tropical fish hobbyists to turn unwanted pets loose, and Town Lake has produced some interesting catches, so I’ve heard.   So I asked to see the fish.   She proudly held up an 8-inch male Rio Grande Perch, which with its hump, does look a little like a Piranha.   I said, "Yes ma’am, that’s pretty interesting," and continued my walk. The Rio Grande Perch is, I think, the only member of the cichlid family native to North America.  Austin is about as far north as you’re likely to see one. Tight Lines, Bent Rods, Storm

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Warren, I have a picture of about a 3# peacock I caught last year.  Unfortunately, I’m holding it so you have to see me as well! I don’t know if it’s proper to post it here – I can scan it and post it, or e-mail it to you directly. Please let me know. Brady – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (1)  Do any of you guys/gals who fish for Peacock Bass have pictures of them you could post? (2)  Has anyone ever ascertained if Peacock Bass could cross-breed with LMB bass or spots?  Or smallmouth? Warren Funk If you would like to know what works in S. Florida, you might want to order a copy of Carlos Hidalgo’s "South Florida’s Peacock Bass ". He has suggestions for everything from live bait to flyfishing. It is locally available here in Ft. Lauderdale, but you might want to try my Freshwater Fishing Books page for a link to Amazon.com at http://inshore.com/bk-fresh.html . Jim Sawyer I am a resident here in hawaii and I would like info on the best methods or lures to catch peacock bass. I haven’t been too successful in catching them and could use any suggestions on catching the butterfly strain of the peacock bass that are stocked here in hawaii. mahalo Lono

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I am a resident here in hawaii and I would like info on the best methods or lures to catch peacock bass. I haven’t been too successful in catching them and could use any suggestions on catching the butterfly strain of the peacock bass that are stocked here in hawaii. mahalo Lono

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we have peacock bass in south fla. i use a number 13 rapala black or silver back, or a 1/8 oz stanly tadum willow leaf glod and silver spinnerbait with a zoom split tail trailer slow rolled. i found any good topwater bait , pop-r or zarra puppy gets them to. Cajunbass8 "THE TRUTH HURTS"

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B) It’s been said that large native Battenkill trout are non-existent. HOG-WASH! I submit evidence to the contrary, The photo at…

Actually, what I have heard, is that the ‘average’ size fish, (9"-11" Brookies, and 10"-14" Browns), were in short supply and the bulk of the population were large and small fish. I have never seen many kids fishing the river, and I seriously doubt that a 2 fish limit for them will have a serious impact. The problem will come with enforcement, and the fact that bait fishing is allowed. I think ‘artificials only’ should be the rule wherever fish must be released. Actually, my preference would have been to close the entire stream to *all* usage for one year,  assess the results next fall, and formulate new regulations at that time. George Adams

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George’s thought of closing the river for a year is not a bad one but just look at how difficult it has been to get even this modest change enacted.   I say modest change because I firmly believe that with the allowance of an 18 inch trout per day a lot of 15+ inch fish will grow rather quickly in the eyes of the angler. We have a modest landlock salmon run out of a resivoir in cenrtal Mass where 2 fish per day over 18 inches are allowed and every year I see numerous sub 18 inch fish being taken out.  The problem – no enforecement. Won’t be any different on the B’kill. Lets hope that the high waters this fall result in a good spawn.  We’ll have to wait two yrs to find out though and see if we’re catching those 7 to 9 inch browns; which I used to be a master of but have not seen in recent years. Regarding hatch decline I’m not 100% convinced yet that that does not have something to do with the flood / drought cycle of recent yrs.  For what it is worth the trico’s were awesome this year and while I was not on hte river I heard that the Hendricksons were quite heavy.          

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I would agree with this assessment, in principle. A moratorium may be what is needed. This, ultimately, is what helped the striper fishery recover. Then again, we don’t have a consensus on what is killing the Kill… ACP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – B) It’s been said that large native Battenkill trout are non-existent. HOG-WASH! I submit evidence to the contrary, The photo at… Actually, what I have heard, is that the ‘average’ size fish, (9"-11" Brookies, and 10"-14" Browns), were in short supply and the bulk of the population were large and small fish. I have never seen many kids fishing the river, and I seriously doubt that a 2 fish limit for them will have a serious impact. The problem will come with enforcement, and the fact that bait fishing is allowed. I think ‘artificials only’ should be the rule wherever fish must be released. Actually, my preference would have been to close the entire stream to *all* usage for one year,  assess the results next fall, and formulate new regulations at that time. George Adams

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I can attest to great Trico hatches on rivers near the BKill…scores of those little buggers. Personally, I can’t stand fishing those things, but the blue wing olive hatches made up for it! ACP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – George’s thought of closing the river for a year is not a bad one but just look at how difficult it has been to get even this modest change enacted. I say modest change because I firmly believe that with the allowance of an 18 inch trout per day a lot of 15+ inch fish will grow rather quickly in the eyes of the angler. We have a modest landlock salmon run out of a resivoir in cenrtal Mass where 2 fish per day over 18 inches are allowed and every year I see numerous sub 18 inch fish being taken out.  The problem – no enforecement. Won’t be any different on the B’kill. Lets hope that the high waters this fall result in a good spawn.  We’ll have to wait two yrs to find out though and see if we’re catching those 7 to 9 inch browns; which I used to be a master of but have not seen in recent years. Regarding hatch decline I’m not 100% convinced yet that that does not have something to do with the flood / drought cycle of recent yrs.  For what it is worth the trico’s were awesome this year and while I was not on hte river I heard that the Hendricksons were quite heavy.

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 Hi folks.  I am writing with regards to special regulations        that have been proposed for the Battenkill in Vermont.  As many        are aware the fishery has been suffering for the past several        years and unfortunately despite efforts by Vermont Fish and        Wildlife there has been no definitive causes identified for the        decline that has been seen.        In order to reduce the decline in the population of the brown        trout in the river the state has proposed a 6 yr. no kill        regulation that will eliminate or at least minimize the one        identifiable factor in the rivers decline; angler harvest.  At        the same time the state plans to do an extensive study on the        river to identify causes for the decline. (This work has        already begun with some habitat improvement completed this fall        and an evaluation of spawning areas planned for later in the        month).   A public meeting was held in August and the proposal        was by and large favorably received by the public.  Yesterday        the Fish and Wildlife Board voted on this proposal.  It was        accepted with two very important amendments that may corrupt        the purpose of the no kill proposal.  The first is to allow        children under the age of 15 to keep two trout of any size per        day. The second is to allow any angler to keep one trout per        day of 18 inches or larger.        An additional vote will be taken (probably in December) to        determine the final regulations that will be placed on the        river.  There are no public hearings scheduled to discuss these        two amendments but from what I understand this can be ?forced?        upon the board through petition.  I will be investigating how        to achieve this.        In the meantime I would ask that any anglers that are        interested in seeing the Battenkill fishery turned around        please write a POLITE letter to the following individuals that        are members of the F&W Board.        David Mallory        RD # 1, Box 103        Jericho, VT 05465       John Stannard       PO Box 73       Rte 30       Dorset VT 05251        For what it is worth I am not a C&R zealot but I do value the        opportunity of catching wild trout and the Battenkill can be        turned around.  Folks that fish the area around Manchester and        Arlington have numerous options when it comes to fishing and        there is no shortage of streams and ponds that offer anglers        the chance to take home a few fish for dinner.        The real question is whether we as sportsman are willing to        sacrifice a little bit now to pass along a better resource for        the next generations of anglers. We owe it to ourselves and our        children to work towards making the river a better stream than        it is at the moment.  Catch and release is a small price to        pay.        I hope you’ll support the river by writing to these gentlemen        in order to persuade them to reconsider the amendments that        have been put forward.        For what it is worth regarding kids on the river and the 18 inch fish regulation        problem becomes one of enforcement.  Dad’s fishin with the kids, they go off to        collect rocks and a fish takes.  Dad lands the fish and keeps it.  Is that legit?        Regarding 18 inch fish.  I don’t know about you but I can see a lot of guys          using their eyes as rulers and then fish from 14 inches on go into the creel.  I’ve        seen it down here in Mass where we have a salmon run in the fall.  A lot of "18        salmon" are taken home that are clearly shy of that.        Thanks very much.        Doug Lyons

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Some obeservations: 1. The only 1 fish over 18 inches rule is interesting in light of evidence    that such fish are basically nonexistent in the B-Kill…indeed, trout    over TEN inches are apparently down by 89% in many stretched (Source:    Fly Fishing in Northern New England). Thus, my own take is that this    will do little to HARM the fishing. 2. I wonder if these, and more restrictions may increase crowds at other    nearby rivers, thus creating same problems as those affecting the    B-Kill. Perhaps such rules need to to be enforced at all nearby    rivers as a preventative? ACP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi folks.  I am writing with regards to special regulations       that have been proposed for the Battenkill in Vermont.  As many       are aware the fishery has been suffering for the past several       years and unfortunately despite efforts by Vermont Fish and       Wildlife there has been no definitive causes identified for the       decline that has been seen.       In order to reduce the decline in the population of the brown       trout in the river the state has proposed a 6 yr. no kill       regulation that will eliminate or at least minimize the one       identifiable factor in the rivers decline; angler harvest.  At       the same time the state plans to do an extensive study on the       river to identify causes for the decline. (This work has       already begun with some habitat improvement completed this fall       and an evaluation of spawning areas planned for later in the       month).   A public meeting was held in August and the proposal       was by and large favorably received by the public.  Yesterday       the Fish and Wildlife Board voted on this proposal.  It was       accepted with two very important amendments that may corrupt       the purpose of the no kill proposal.  The first is to allow       children under the age of 15 to keep two trout of any size per       day. The second is to allow any angler to keep one trout per       day of 18 inches or larger.       An additional vote will be taken (probably in December) to       determine the final regulations that will be placed on the       river.  There are no public hearings scheduled to discuss these       two amendments but from what I understand this can be ?forced?       upon the board through petition.  I will be investigating how       to achieve this.       In the meantime I would ask that any anglers that are       interested in seeing the Battenkill fishery turned around       please write a POLITE letter to the following individuals that       are members of the F&W Board.       David Mallory       RD # 1, Box 103       Jericho, VT 05465      John Stannard      PO Box 73      Rte 30      Dorset VT 05251       For what it is worth I am not a C&R zealot but I do value the       opportunity of catching wild trout and the Battenkill can be       turned around.  Folks that fish the area around Manchester and       Arlington have numerous options when it comes to fishing and       there is no shortage of streams and ponds that offer anglers       the chance to take home a few fish for dinner.       The real question is whether we as sportsman are willing to       sacrifice a little bit now to pass along a better resource for       the next generations of anglers. We owe it to ourselves and our       children to work towards making the river a better stream than       it is at the moment.  Catch and release is a small price to       pay.       I hope you’ll support the river by writing to these gentlemen       in order to persuade them to reconsider the amendments that       have been put forward.       For what it is worth regarding kids on the river and the 18 inch fish regulation       problem becomes one of enforcement.  Dad’s fishin with the kids, they go off to       collect rocks and a fish takes.  Dad lands the fish and keeps it.  Is that legit?       Regarding 18 inch fish.  I don’t know about you but I can see a lot of guys       using their eyes as rulers and then fish from 14 inches on go into the creel.  I’ve       seen it down here in Mass where we have a salmon run in the fall.  A lot of "18       salmon" are taken home that are clearly shy of that.       Thanks very much.       Doug Lyons

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Intersesting thoughts. There are still a few good ones swimming the river – a friend took 14 and 15 1/2 brown this past season.  A big concern I have is that a lot of eyeball measuring will be going on and the 15 inch trout will be stretched out by overly zealous anglers. Regarding fishing pressure on other streams one has to remember that many such rivers (the Wallumsac comes to mind)  are generously supported by stocking.  

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Intersesting thoughts. There are still a few good ones swimming the river – a friend took 14 and 15 1/2 brown this past season.  A big concern I have is that a lot of eyeball measuring will be going on and the 15 inch trout will be stretched out by overly zealous anglers. Regarding fishing pressure on other streams one has to remember that many such rivers (the Wallumsac comes to mind)  are generously supported by stocking.  

My take on this whole topic… A) The recently passed regulation is in my opinion a giant step. While probably not the ultimate solution, it certainly is a beginning. Total C&R would be better…FF only would be better…river usage changes pertaining to canoes and tubes would be better…but it’s a good start! I certainly predict the sighting of more youths astream…still that’s ok…a two fish limit between dad and youngster is fine by me. Plus it propogates a continuence of the sport amongst the next generation. B) It’s been said that large native Battenkill trout are non-existent. HOG-WASH! I submit evidence to the contrary, The photo at…    <http://www.virtualflybox.com/photos/bkill_brn.shtml …refutes this opinion. I took this photo late last summer and in addition to this fish I have first hand accountings of trout of these proportions having been caught on these fabled waters. C) As to increased fishing pressure on local waters…that will only be caused by the locals…who are, I’m sure already there, due to the recent decline of the fishery on the Battenkill. D) Future regulatory thoughts have to consider things like the impact caused by non-fishing river usage, changes in the chemical runoffs, landowner riverside impacts, etc. I personally can attest to a huge change in the insect activity on this river. The Caddis hatches used to be legendary…now they are quite rare. The Battenkill has not seen a stockery of fish in over thirty years and has until recently been a prime fishery. Only in the last ten years has there been a major decline…so the reason for that must be determined and solved. But quickly! keep tyin’…byard * * * * * * * * *   V I R T U A L    F L Y B O X    * * * * * * * * *    Fly Tyers Worldwide * Hundreds of Patterns * Tying Instructions                     http://www.VirtualFlybox.com * * * *   F E A T U R I N G   *  9 8 0  *   P A T T E R N S   * * * *

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Okay, if I am posting to the wrong group – I sincerely am sorry – I just am not certain how this Deja thing works and I DO NOT want to intrude on discussion groups.  This group came up under my search for fishing marketplace and collectibles.  Antique fly reel in great shape.  Pflueger Medalist Fly Reel.  Ends on eBay Tues. 8/25.  Bids are at $20.50.  No Reserve.  This really is nice.  If you want to take a look here are the links.  Thanks!  eBay No. 26267477 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=26267477 — Arlykat on eBay

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How Refreshing!!!!! … an apologetic Spammer! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, if I am posting to the wrong group – I sincerely am sorry – I just am not certain how this Deja thing works and I DO NOT want to intrude

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In order to bring my Web pages re/sourcing information for fly fishing up to date, I would like to fine tune SOFTWARE TOPICS. I am interested in availabe software dealing with fly fishing topics, specifically, fly tying, casting techniques, fishing and fly logs, fly catalogs, tide and weather information, etc. If you can point me to the correct E-Mail or URL locations for any such programs you might be aware of, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much for providing me the information.          Rx F Fish "For Your Good Health, Fly Fish" URL=http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish

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In order to bring my Web pages re/sourcing information for fly fishing up to date, I would like to fine tune SOFTWARE TOPICS. I am interested in availabe software dealing with fly fishing topics, specifically, fly tying, casting techniques, fishing and fly logs, fly catalogs, tide and weather information, etc. If you can point me to the correct E-Mail or URL locations for any such programs you might be aware of, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much for providing me the information.         Rx F Fish "For Your Good Health, Fly Fish" URL=http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish

Try to Locate Elkwing as they put a good f tying CD ROM that is not bad.

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My wife and I are driving our camper to Alaska this summer (with part of the trip on the Alaska ferry).  Along with the sightseeing and flyfishing, I do need to keep in touch with my office (unfortunate, but true) because I will be gone for an extended period.  Does anyone have any experience with cellular phones in southeast or southcentral Alaska?  When you get away from Anchorage or Fairbanks, is there any reasonable service?  Thanks for any information.  Please E-mail me in

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: My wife and I are driving our camper to Alaska this summer (with part : of the trip on the Alaska ferry).  Along with the sightseeing and : flyfishing, I do need to keep in touch with my office (unfortunate, : but true) because I will be gone for an extended period.  Does anyone : have any experience with cellular phones in southeast or southcentral : Alaska?  When you get away from Anchorage or Fairbanks, is there any : reasonable service?  Thanks for any information.  Please E-mail me in I recommend that you ignore all answers to this question.  Just go.  If the cell phone doesn’t work, shrug your shoulders, put it in the glove compartment, and tell the office that at least you tried…when you get back. You’ll be oh-so-much more productive for having taken a real vacation, after all. — Laboratory for Applied Logic    Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho             www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzDtvLEAAAEEAKAC21G2Be0K0DMgjLpxrwLmsYfCz8rWcfgyABjr3Ryfk1dO nV7fFFpUF3xohR7die+/B2V9oqRQzTLeSF2ECKlsTY/yUyw2kn+P2ju1umh4Fwzd cVTvc+H69q1+Ft3kmw/PE0Pan+g0PUGGJ43stw3q4OgBHdixbRd/f9giJFDxAAUR tCZKYW1lcyBBLiBGb3N0ZXIgPGZvc3RlckBjcy51aWRhaG8uZWR1PokAlQMFEDD8 ReEXf3/YIiRQ8QEBFrAD/2AFuRWcD/3MENC3qJMC/Or1qxknjkK7Uv+TDf2LHPOY GHBbG9PyWuXQ8of0Dd+JYwf/tzlO9Yk1s1zTdikfriak21FW0bCokxDIhA3myppZ IZDWVA9CyvDYHuP5Ii1NkBvocab813JzDLZA+0iVN5sebGb9zSXR4Za47hlriHeP =RDHK —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—–

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: My wife and I are driving our camper to Alaska this summer (with part : of the trip on the Alaska ferry).  Along with the sightseeing and : flyfishing, I do need to keep in touch with my office (unfortunate, : but true) because I will be gone for an extended period.  Does anyone : have any experience with cellular phones in southeast or southcentral : Alaska?  When you get away from Anchorage or Fairbanks, is there any : reasonable service?  Thanks for any information.  Please E-mail me in Get serious. It’s time you learned what the word "rural" means.  And you better expect about three days without that precious phone in Canada.  What am I saying…might as well switch it off when you get to Montana. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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They are supposed to have legislation pending on that issue but as of right now, there are no restrictions.  They will try to dissuade you if you ask a park ranger or someone like that.  They will also give citations for not having a life preserver.  My friend received one. Curtis Fry:  Fry’s Utah Fly Fishing Page  http://www.et.byu.edu/~fryc

All anglers on the Green are required to wear life vests because they change the water levels frequently there, and people have gotten trapped midstream.   As for float-tubing the Green, you’d have to be pretty crazy.  Doug burton, who guides on the Green, tells me they rescue several upside-down float-tubers every season and also lose a few. —   The above opinions are of the author only, and are not endorsed by SET-BC.               Special Education Technology – British Columbia

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I used to live about an hour and a half from the Green and fished there regularly. do NOT float the Green in a tube!!! I have seen one accident and the body of another tuber that was not so lucky! This is a river, and as such, deserves more respect! Sean Clark

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