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Seeking infro. on salt water fly-fishing in the DR, thankx in advance, Stan

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J R Hartley is the person to ask

Seeking infro. on salt water fly-fishing in the DR, thankx in advance, Stan

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HA,HA Cougar Ric! How many years have you been waiting to say that?? — –Sent via BritishExpats Forums: http://britishexpats.com

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lol, i couldn’t resist it! — Tune into my radio station. Playing the best in rock 24 hours a day! http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=cougar_ric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HA,HA Cougar Ric! How many years have you been waiting to say that?? — –Sent via BritishExpats Forums: http://britishexpats.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Still up late putting the fourth coat on a run of fifteen Happy Hooker blanks for the San Mateo show.  I don’t think I will have enough time to do them all but at least this explains why I’m on the tapering computer tonight. (snip)         george, please allow me to take this opportunity on behalf of all the little people here on roff to express our undying gratitude for this thrilling opportunity to share in the astonishing excitement generated by your "blow by blow" report of the fascinating process of creating those little works of art that bear the timeless and classy name of "happy hooker".         it is a tribute to your matchless magnanimity that you would take even an instant out of the awesome undertaking of this  historic venture to bless us with these stunning insights in to your genius. we can only grovel at your virtual feet in gratitude for our own unworthiness, and offer up thanks on behalf  of our humble lineage, yet unborn, that will gaze with wonder upon  our printouts of the words and actions of a true legend.         for myself, a personal note, much in the style of gus mcrae: "magnum manurum victorum bordomdom est"!   and i mean that with all my heart, george. wayno

___–  Wayne, old chap.  Believe this or not but the following of greatness eludes you.  There are a hundred advocates to the project that started as a dare on ROFF and like it or not, you fool . . . the information of those who may wish to "roll their own" i.e. (make their own fly rods) will be possible at the San Mateo Show for a lot less money then any other bamboo fly rod maker in this entire world. If you could "afford" to come to San Mateo (which is like thinking a fool could become a genius) you would realize that your worst enemy is yourself and that here is a better friend then you could ever imagine. I know what your problem is and so do you.  The difference is, I know how to deal and correct mine.  YOU, on the other hand still live in a world of ’self denial’ and those that suffer your foolishness are the ones that love you best. Screw you and all your excuses.  You’re not man enough to return to reality pard. Think about it! In short Wayne, you’re drunk again.   — (C) George Gehrke 2001 http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html     fine bamboo flyrods & blanks

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Now, this was a long time ago, now, but as I remember it, George claimed he could mass-produce bamboo rods for under $300.  How long had he been thinking of trying before making the claim, or how serious was his pre-ROFF "planning"?  Who knows? Essentially, with much toing and froing, he was told by a number of people, "Bullshit.  Can’t be done.  Put your money where your mouth is."  A number of people agreed to buy rods at the proposed price if George built them.  My recollection is of not so much a challenge or wager as a dare–Roffians calling what they understandably thought was an empty bluff. OK, things went far and fast downhill from there (price, quality, customer relations, etc., etc.).  I’m not defending George as a rod-builder, businessman, or human being.  He’s certainly shown grave failings on all these counts.  His behavior on this NG is often far less than admirable and his behavior as a businessman appears to be purely reprehensible, hurting himself, probably, more than anyone else.  I too have stopped using Gink, in part because I discovered I "don’t like the management."  In the end, George proved that he could *not* do what he claimed he could, i.e., build a high-quality production rod for less than $300. Unhappily, he also appears to have proved along the way several other things about himself.  All I am saying is that–contrary to what I still maintain *everyone* thought at the time (that is, that George, being a blowhard, would not do anything at all, but would find some excuse to cop out)–he did put his money where his mouth was and made the attempt.  He failed; he treated customers, at least one employee, and potential friends abysmally in the attempt.  I’m not defending any of that, only saying that it’s pretty remarkable that any of this happened at all, rather than ending up just another NG thread full of b.s. that flares up in the ether then peters out. JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – George had plans to make the rod before he ever brought it up on roff. Contrary to popular myth, no one on roff "challenged" him to make the rod.  We all know what a bullshitter/liar he is, so how can you deal or "challenge" such a person?  BTW, he came nowhere near the price he first quoted.  At $583, he is way past what he originally quoted. rest snipped for brevity…

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Yes, real tragic, I went there twice and gave to the project on got screwed. Without me those first few rods would not exist. G couldn’t and wouldn’t pay attention. The mill is nothing special. He didn’t have the touch to pull it off by himself.

Yes, and I know the details and it sucks and I did and do feel sorry for what happened. [deleted] Tbone stick it in your ear you know nothing cause you wern’t there, I WAS!

I commented only on the empirical data I cited:  He had a line of production rods at a major fly show. Did the means justify the end ? I do not know, have no way of knowing. Question (not rhetorical) Hairy: Why don’t you do it ? Your talent is obvious and if you’re really resentful of George that would be the ultimate way to show it. Competition would be great and I’m still in the market for a servicable bamboo fly rod for under the price of a good graphite. — YBone

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[deleted] And maybe this Litte Brown Nose post of yours will get you one.

Personally, I think George only made one mistake…a spiritual one..with his first rod. He knows what it was and he has been paying ever since. — YBone

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Opey’s Dad’s "review that came through the virtual transom," offered "for the sake of good order and balance", as interesting as it is, would carry more weight if it were not anonymous. JR

Anonymous my ass, that as my dad! Opie  –wishing dad would write to me, seems as though I hardly know him–

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[deleted] And maybe this Litte Brown Nose post of yours will get you one. Personally, I think George only made one mistake…a spiritual one..with his first rod.

You can’t possibly be *that* clueless… can you? — Charlie…

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Question (not rhetorical) Hairy: Why don’t you do it ?

Tbone at least you figured out that I attacked what you wrote and not you. And forgive me for all my smilly faces..that I forgot… ;-);-);-) better? His little dirt mill he paid a fortune and it did not work. All total there was much less than $2K in materials in it. While there, I brought it through several versions and improvments. And it would and did work if he wasn’t in a hurry. If he knew everything, then why was I there? I have been very tight lipped on all the imporvements that should have been made for obvious reasons. Now Tbone, to answer your real question, "I Could Do It." What I want for my time and what G pays his sweat shop labors ($7) is a very big difference. Better quality and a much higer price. Compitition with G? I would be a hands down winner in an instant about quality. G gardens nickels. I would garden ben franklins. Big difference. G markets with a shitty product. I would have a quality product and no market. So right there is the rub. Dumb people that don’t know any better get sucked into spending money on his glorified tomato stakes. HT

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Personally, I think George only made one mistake…a spiritual one..with his first rod. He knows what it was and he has been paying ever since.

%50 correct, ad my son’s rod to the mix too! HT

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Ya know… [snip] Well….for one thing I’d like to declare that George won the bet. I mean…there WAS George, my friends, at the Denver Fly Fishing Show…by God.  In a booth with ginger/honey/burnt blanks there can be no doubt about it. Pay up your flies and shut up your traps busters.

Speaking of bets I’m stilling waiting for you to pay up a dozen yellow humpys from October of 1999. Paul

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Speaking of bets I’m stilling waiting for you to pay up a dozen yellow humpys from October of 1999.

Post the reference. — TBone

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Everybody on this forum, practically without reserve, supported Mr.Gehrke in his efforts, not only with his rods, but with his website and other things. Many defended him against all comers, even long after their better judgement should have advised them otherwise. They would doubtless still be doing so, if he had not extremely successfully alienated just about everybody who offered support. Quite a few congratulated him on his progress, and gave advice and support on many occasions. He simply failed to recognise it as such, and insisted that his 300$ rods were the equal of any 1000$ rods around. This is patent nonsense. In actual fact, competent observers were of the opinion that they were not even worth 300$. However this may be, and notwithstanding the possibility that the rods are now excellent value, anybody who has followed the saga would be a fool to buy one. Mr.Gehrke is his own worst enemy. Nobody else is at fault here. Defending him on this forum, in this manner, is absolutely ridiculous, as you must be aware, and I find myself asking why you are doing it ? Hope you get a rod anyway, and I hope you enjoy it if you do.   Even were I to receive one as a gift, ( which I would not accept in any case), I would associate so much bad feeling with it, that it would ruin my fishing, quite irrespective of its qualities as a fishing tool. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de Ya know… It’s really too bad the days when folkes were making bamboo rods for the masses are gone.

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Speaking of bets I’m stilling waiting for you to pay up a dozen yellow humpys from October of 1999. Post the reference. — TBone

My mistake it was four(4) Irresistables. On 8-OCT-99 Louie claims in the thread "One Lie & Exaggeration Too Many by Daytripper" that " Day Tripper can *not* be egged on by anyone. " Shortly thereafter you posted a reply:         "Betcha 4 #18 Irresistables that he can…" Then I replied that I’d take the bet to which you replied:         "Ok…he responds to one of my trolls and you send me the dry flies…right ?         What’s my time limit ?" my reply to your time limit was:         "until Sunday the 17th, If you can’t get his goat by then no one can.         sf" On the 18th when I claimed victory you wanted to change the rules to 90 days. (Sounds like gore v. bush) Then in an email you sent me you said you’ld pay up. The message with headers is attached to the end of this post (although I did remove my street address). If anyone cares to verify this do a search on Deja of the past  post on ROFF. Paul Received: from ns1.aspenres.com (ns1.aspenres.com [204.131.50.1])  by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26773 Received: from twalker (204.131.50.154) by ns1.aspenres.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-UIDL: f5d4ea1f8b0505fb39de6bced9c2f138 Status: RO I might just do that if for no other reason than Littleton, Co is my home town….but certainly not as the result of losing any bet !  Not yet…I have 78 days to go and (actually) I think the Mr.G setup/Big Brown Followup/Daytripper HOOK SWALLOW counts. But it’s weak at best so back to work… — TimW —–Original Message—– Hi Tim It’s Salmon_Fly You can send the Flies to Paul Goodwin

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So along comes George and off a bet on the Internet

George was blowharding how there was no more that $50 material and workmanship in a modern bamboo rod. There was no bet. — Charlie…

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(snip) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Now, from what a lot of people have said, maintenance of quality control has been a big, big, big problem.  On the other hand, at least a few people, including one of the few Roffians I’ve met in person and whose opinion I trust, are happy with the rod they got, although otherwise no admirers of George’s persona here. So, is a company that can produce only one good final product out of five (or 10 or even 100) a viable concern?  Probably not, but this is a company that was started from a series of wagers and dares on a *newgroup* for Pete’s sake.  T-Bone is right about one thing:  George said–on the flimsiest of grounds, mind you–that he’d start a bamboo rod company, and he did it.  Everything else aside (and there is a quite lot, much of it unpretty, I admit), George deserves some credit at least for doing what *no one* believed he’d actually do. Opey’s Dad’s "review that came through the virtual transom," offered "for the sake of good order and balance", as interesting as it is, would carry more weight if it were not anonymous. JR

George had plans to make the rod before he ever brought it up on roff. Contrary to popular myth, no one on roff "challenged" him to make the rod.  We all know what a bullshitter/liar he is, so how can you deal or "challenge" such a person?  BTW, he came nowhere near the price he first quoted.  At $583, he is way past what he originally quoted.  For another $150 *or less*, you can get a *hand crafted* fly rod from a reputable rod builder, that looks, cast better, and has more value than anything George has made. George sent some rods to different people.  They *were not* production rods. They were rods that he very carefully built.  Steve sort of challenged George by saying if G would send a rod to him, he would give it an honest evaluation. What an opportunity for George!!!!  He worked hard and produced a fairly nice rod and sent it to Steve who gave it a good revue.  But, it was not a production rod.   George sent Dave Tatosian and me Bastard rods #11 and #12.  Because of George’s attitude and action I had canceled my order, but he sent it via Dave anyway.  I was touched that George would do such a thing.  It was a magnanimus gesture as far as I was concerned.  I took the rod and inspected it.  It was horribly constructed.  Twisted, curved, handle offset, glue lines, drips — it was horrible.  I put the rod together anyway and the ferrules did not fit.  He had given me the butt section with a  ferrule from XY company, and a tip with a ferrule from BX company — the rod was unfishable.  If you attempted to cast it, the tip would fly off. Dave’s #12 was no better.  It too was horrible and unfishable.  Dave had paid the freight – $40 – to receive these rods, and now he had to send them back – another $40.  Both of us had agreed to say nothing on roff about these rods. We did not want to embarass George.    We said nothing until George accused us of being provacateurs and sabataging his rods.  *WE* were responsible for the bent and twisted tips and butts.  *WE* were responsible for everything that was wrong with the rods.  *WE* took sandpaper to the ferrules so that they no longer fit properly.  Everything was *OUR* fault.  Everyone knew that it was plain bullshit on George’s part.  But the story doesn’t end with Dave and me.  Wish it did, but, uh uh. You see, George told everyone he destroyed the rods — burned em, he said.  But good old #12 returned and ended up in several peoples’ hands.  The first was Bob Smith (Plainties).  When Bob returned it (paying the freight both ways), George was insulted.  When another rod builder, a man of some fame, returned a set of blanks, George attacked both of them.  At one point he even verbally attacked Bob’s wife.   So you see, JR, why many of us have boycotted *anything* that George makes.  It appears from what I now hear that the boycot is well founded in that Gehrke continues to make crap.  But I do have a bottle of Gink.  No gink in it.  I fill it with Albolene (pain in the ass, I might add),  and it *thinks* it’s Gink.  Works just as well. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller and so proud of it…..

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Paul Goodwin writes:

(snipped) Geeeeze.  Remind me never to bet with you!  And I’ll never borrow money off of you either!   <g Dave

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Still up late putting the fourth coat on a run of fifteen Happy Hooker blanks for the San Mateo show.  I don’t think I will have enough time to do them all but at least this explains why I’m on the tapering computer tonight. Another problem is not having enough time to run as many tips as we will need but that can be done after the show.  It takes nearly thirty minutes to dip each  coat and several hours after that to dry, but the blanks are looking good. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the sage continues"

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Still up late putting the fourth coat on a run of fifteen Happy Hooker blanks for the San Mateo show.  I don’t think I will have enough time to do them all but at least this explains why I’m on the tapering computer tonight.

(snip)         george, please allow me to take this opportunity on behalf of all the little people here on roff to express our undying gratitude for this thrilling opportunity to share in the astonishing excitement generated by your "blow by blow" report of the fascinating process of creating those little works of art that bear the timeless and classy name of "happy hooker".         it is a tribute to your matchless magnanimity that you would take even an instant out of the awesome undertaking of this  historic venture to bless us with these stunning insights in to your genius. we can only grovel at your virtual feet in gratitude for our own unworthiness, and offer up thanks on behalf  of our humble lineage, yet unborn, that will gaze with wonder upon  our printouts of the words and actions of a true legend.         for myself, a personal note, much in the style of gus mcrae: "magnum manurum victorum bordomdom est"!   and i mean that with all my heart, george. wayno

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Glad to hear from old Gus. Don"t think McMurtry"s new book ‘ "Boone’s Lick" will make it to screen unless he gets Opra  to play the mother. IJ

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Ya know… It’s really too bad the days when folkes were making bamboo rods for the masses are gone. Tragic, really. I can not afford a thousand bucks for a bamboo fly rod but think I would be happy with one of the commerical ones of yesteryear.  Maybe a "Sears & Roebuck Good’nuf" model.  Ya know what I mean ?  We can get an Ugly Stick, which is a damned good value of a tool…but nothing like it exists in the bamboo world today, that I’ve found anyway. So along comes George and off a bet on the Internet, in these very halls, says he *can* bring these back And ya know what…he does. We can grovel about the initial production run quality issues and some business decisions and stuff, but that’s what I’d expect from an initial production run. Wouldn’t you ? With millions of dollar backing you could throw away the first few runs. Not so when you gotta eat. They become prototypes. Something to build on. Next time…I’ll do ‘this’ with the finish. We know the history of this venture. This was no cake walk for George, who shared with us (and anyone of us who thinks they can do better) every [personal] sweat off his brow. He made some friends, he made some enemies. He started the Little Brown Truck (I’m still waiting…) You *literally* could publish a book just from the posts here.  Someone probably will. What does it mean ? Well….for one thing I’d like to declare that George won the bet. I mean…there WAS George, my friends, at the Denver Fly Fishing Show…by God.  In a booth with ginger/honey/burnt blanks there can be no doubt about it. Pay up your flies and shut up your traps busters. As for the boredom of this post.  Ya get out what you put in sometimes and I got out something really cool and what was probably really hard for George (George doesn’t whine so it’s hard to know)…the business decision of getting his ass in the show with some product and (what must be very difficult and take huge huevos) make the tip sections later. Real world stuff for a guy with a milling machine in the garage. He posted *from* his taper computer.  How freakin’ studly is that ? Bravo George. — TBone

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Still up late putting the fourth coat on a run of fifteen Happy Hooker blanks for the San Mateo show.  I don’t think I will have enough time to do them all but at least this explains why I’m on the tapering computer tonight. Another problem is not having enough time to run as many tips as we will need but that can be done after the show.  It takes nearly thirty minutes to dip each  coat and several hours after that to dry, but the blanks are looking good.

_______FOR the sake of good order and balance, here’s a review that came in through the virtual transom *a few weeks ago* (<== keep that in mind). Didn’t write it, just passing it along. But it seems appropriate, right here, right now. Take it or leave it… /Opey’s Dad   (…and have a SUPER day! "Even using the term Rodmaker around anything resembling the Bastard is insulting all rodmakers as well as all Bastards!   "I went to a fly-fishing show in Denver this morning and looked around for bargains and the usual "stuff" that a flyfisher needs from time to time. "Alas, who is there in full force but Hizzoner the Gink hiself!  Even had the kid with the entourage!  I looked at the rods, (whoa there feller, lets not insult rods) I mean Poles, that he had on display at the show.  I have five year old  grandson who could do a better job! "No Shit, guys -n- gals!  This guy turns out crap and it has a Capital C in big red letters!  Missed finishing several spots of the windings on every rod!!  NO winding check and the forward end of the cork grips looked as if it had been cut with a dull axe and then run over a few times. He told me he didn’t put checks on to save costs!!!!   "I am just a plastic builder who lurks here to learn all I can about the jillion or so aspects of the trade of rodbuilding, and I guarantee you that no rod of that caliber will EVER, EVER, EVER leave my shop!  Let alone be taken to a flyfishing show and displayed as craftsmanship.  What a joke! "If you real builders are concerned in the LEAST about this yahoo producing anything that might be remotely construed as a bamboo rod, worry NOT!!!  I venture that he was the complete laughingstock of the show and now 10,000 flyfishers know what his crap looks like!   I did not even bother to cast one of them, wouldn’t waste my time!!!  (And I’m Cheap!!!, just ask all the ladies!!)  I’m not one ti talk most folks down but this guy is out there a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong ways! an average of NO rods/day!  This guy has not built one to date if his life’s work is like what I saw today.  I literally chuckled for four hours as I walked the show floor!  This guy wouldn’t make a pimple on a rodbuilder’s butt! "As I see it, any further ink about the Bastard Rod is a lie, there is no such thing!!  What I saw today is not, by any stretch of my imagination, a rod. sorta like the old riddle about what do you call a boomerang that doesn’t come back? "A stick!"

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And ya know what…he does. We can grovel about the initial production run quality issues and some business decisions and stuff, but that’s what I’d expect from an initial production run. Wouldn’t you ?

Certainly. Unfortunately, George wasn’t willing to accept or admit to the fact that they were only "initial production run" quality. And, two years later they’re still initial production run quality. If he had been willing to simply admit that the rods had problems–some of them serious–nearly everyone would still be championing his effort. 99% of the grief he’s taken on this forum can be directly attributed to his inability to be honest about the quality of his work. Period. End of story. We know the history of this venture. This was no cake walk for George, who shared with us (and anyone of us who thinks they can do better) every [personal] sweat off his brow. He made some friends, he made some enemies. He started the Little Brown Truck (I’m still waiting…)

And maybe this Litte Brown Nose post of yours will get you one. –Steve

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We know the history of this venture. This was no cake walk for George, who shared with us (and anyone of us who thinks they can do better) every [personal] sweat off his brow. He made some friends, he made some enemies. He started the Little Brown Truck (I’m still waiting…) And maybe this Litte Brown Nose post of yours will get you one.

Sorry to follow up my own post, but for all you out there awaiting delivery of a Bastard rod, I’ve got one I’ll sell you that is available for immediate delivery. It’s been used only a couple of times and I believe it represents the very best rod that the production line has ever produced. It’s in essentially new condition (except for the fact that I straightened the tip, which was a bit crooked when I received it). $350 plus shipping will deliver it right to your door. Contact me via email if interested. –Steve

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Well, I’ve never seen a Bastard rod, but I have followed the history of this business a bit.  In late 98, early 99, before taking off to Rwanda for a year, I read ROFF frequently and posted occasionally.  One of the most amusing shticks then was George declaring he would, then setting out to produce inexpensive mass-market bamboo rods.  There was a lot of nonsense about the name, price, guarantees, etc., but I think it safe to say that most, if not all people on ROFF assumed it was run-of-the-mill BS and would simply never happen.  When I came back to the U.S. in the summer of 2000, I was frankly astounded that rods had been built and at least some sold. Now, from what a lot of people have said, maintenance of quality control has been a big, big, big problem.  On the other hand, at least a few people, including one of the few Roffians I’ve met in person and whose opinion I trust, are happy with the rod they got, although otherwise no admirers of George’s persona here.  So, is a company that can produce only one good final product out of five (or 10 or even 100) a viable concern?  Probably not, but this is a company that was started from a series of wagers and dares on a *newgroup* for Pete’s sake.  T-Bone is right about one thing:  George said–on the flimsiest of grounds, mind you–that he’d start a bamboo rod company, and he did it.  Everything else aside (and there is a quite lot, much of it unpretty, I admit), George deserves some credit at least for doing what *no one* believed he’d actually do. Opey’s Dad’s "review that came through the virtual transom," offered "for the sake of good order and balance", as interesting as it is, would carry more weight if it were not anonymous. JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – _______FOR the sake of good order and balance, here’s a review that came in through the virtual transom *a few weeks ago* (<== keep that in mind). Didn’t write it, just passing it along. But it seems appropriate, right here, right now. Take it or leave it…

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Ya know… It’s really too bad the days when folkes were making bamboo rods for the masses are gone. Tragic, really.

Yes, real tragic, I went there twice and gave to the project on got screwed. Without me those first few rods would not exist. G couldn’t and wouldn’t pay attention. The mill is nothing special. He didn’t have the touch to pull it off by himself. He started the Little Brown Truck (I’m still waiting…)

Lies just lies, http://x67.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=511646402&CONTEXT=980711354.2046099489&hitnum=2 You *literally* could publish a book just from the posts here.  Someone probably will.

Should be called, "Bullshit ‘n Bamboo" Well….for one thing I’d like to declare that George won the bet. I mean…there WAS George, my friends, at the Denver Fly Fishing Show…by God.  In a booth with ginger/honey/burnt blanks there can be no doubt about it. Pay up your flies and shut up your traps busters.

As far as I’m concern G lost the bet cause he did not do by himself! Real world stuff for a guy with a milling machine in the garage.

More correct than a bamboo studio….. He posted *from* his taper computer.  How freakin’ studly is that ?

TAPER COMPUTER!!!!!! Such bullshit…..try a #2 lead pencil. The  first H.H. was read justed with a #2 graphite pencil. All he had was data points from Paul Whitely, what fucking computer program? Walt Winters rod was the basis for what i felt needed to be changed, and so the #2 lead pencil computation change. Tbone stick it in your ear you know nothing cause you wern’t there, I WAS! HT

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Ya know… … Bravo George.

Prattle on if you wish Timbo, but his hubris, deceit, outright lies and character assassination cannot be brushed off as eccentricities or the foibles of an old curmudgeon. George Gehrke is a vile and vicious little man of no character and defending him in this forum is preposterous. — Ken Fortenberry

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Does any one know when the spring releases begin on the San Juan in New Mexico? JK

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From a post on the Compuserve Fly Fishing Forum: This is the latest flow information for the San Juan received yesterday from the Bureau of Reclamation Through March – 500cfs Through April – 690cfs Through May – 1370cfs June through December 500cfs These flow plans are based on the current low snow packs in the higher elevations and are subject to change. Will let you know of any changes. Bill Wayne

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<snipped I think in May. bc. — ROFF is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea — massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."

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: Over fishing (in the ocean),  infestations of parasites exacerbated : by sea-farming in the estuaries, global warming  and siltation from : sheep overgrazing and peat cutting all were mentioned as possible : culprits. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like : the main culprit to me.   I don’t know the answer, but I believe we can rule out global warming. Might be a problem in the future, say 20 years or more, but not now.  At least I don’t see how the problem as it is today is ruining the population.   Are you sure the fish aren’t just staying out at sea becasue they are afraid of bombs?  It is time for Ireland to solve their problems.  Let it go. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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I just got back from two weeks in Northwest Ireland. Salmon and Sea Trout are in trouble there, as they are in most places.  Everybody was up in arms about it, and everybody had a different idea. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like the main culprit to me.  

Doubt if you’ll find too many people agreeing with you. (‘cept for the netters and fish-farmers of course)  :-)) Sea-trout and salmon stocks were fine in the past when peat cutting was just as extensive. It makes the water look bad, but the fish don’t seem to mind too much. Most interesting thing is to see how well stocks recover in any particular river system as soon as estuary or sea-loch salmon farming is stopped for a while. Its almost instantaneous. Too much netting at sea, and overfishing for the Krill/shrimps/sand-eels the fish live on is the popular choice for the overall drop in numbers. If you you want to fish Eire/UK for salmon or sea-trout, come soon  - and don’t be too hopeful. You still seem to have some fine fishing in USA. I know you’ve had your problems, but I wish we’d looked after ours half as well. Seems to me the pressures seem to be increasing all over tho’. Sometimes the only way to take my mind off it is to go fishing. Tight lines Ian D

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It is time for Ireland to solve their problems.  Let it go.

Unfortunately, the Irish are not just damaging their own fisheries – they are also netting huge numbers of salmon passing the west coast of Ireland on their way back from the North Atlantic to Wales, Southern England, France, Spain.  They take far more Welsh fish, for example, than are caught in Wales by both rods and nets..  Political pressure has so far achieved little.  And it is said that this netting, much of which is illegal, is a big source of funds for the IRA..  :-( — Phil Jones South Wales

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Salmon and Sea Trout are in trouble there, as they are in most places.  Everybody was up in arms about it, and everybody had a different idea.  Signs along many streams pleaded "Save our Sea Trout."

That’s the name of a very worthwhile organisation which has been campaigning for several years against the inshore salmon farming which has wrecked the sea trout runs.  The damage is done by massive infestations of sea lice.  The evidence is overwhelming. Send SOS a contribution and ask for some of their newsletters.  SOS, PO Box 69, Galway, EIRE. Over fishing (in the ocean),  infestations of parasites exacerbated by sea-farming in the estuaries, global warming  and siltation from sheep overgrazing and peat cutting all were mentioned as possible culprits. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like the main culprit to me.  There is a lot of water in Ireland, and a lot of bedrock too. Good spawning gravel is hard to find, and what little there is looked brown, silted and peaty to me….at least where I fished, in the Connemarra district.

You forgot agricultural pollution of the spawning streams and lakes, commercial gravel extraction from river beds, over-fishing (in the rivers and lakes), etc.. — Phil Jones

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I just got back from two weeks in Northwest Ireland. Salmon and Sea Trout are in trouble there, as they are in most places.  Everybody was up in arms about it, and everybody had a different idea.  Signs along many streams pleaded "Save our Sea Trout." Over fishing (in the ocean),  infestations of parasites exacerbated by sea-farming in the estuaries, global warming  and siltation from sheep overgrazing and peat cutting all were mentioned as possible culprits. The peat  cutting, which causes terrible erosion, looked like the main culprit to me.  There is a lot of water in Ireland, and a lot of bedrock too. Good spawning gravel is hard to find, and what little there is looked brown, silted and peaty to me….at least where I fished, in the Connemarra district. Still, there are a few fish left, and it (all of Ireland) is a very beautiful place.   The Irish people–in particular–were the highlight of the trip. DIBBLING:      I learned a new fishing technique on one of the big Loughs: dibbling.  Local fly fishermen apparently dibble in rivers too, for both salmon and sea trout.   I’m looking forward to trying it back here, in Montana.  What is it? Put a relatively heavy wet fly on the end of the leader.  Then, maybe two feet back up the leader, put a bushy dry fly on a 6" dropper.  Cast across stream and pick up the rod tip until the dry fly is out of the water. Then bob the rod tip to make the dryfly look like a dancing caddis fly. On Lough Corrib, brown trout to 10 lbs smack’em like candy. Anybody ever try dibbliing over hear? Last note:       They have beautiful jungle cock necks for less than $75.00 in Dublin. I almost bought one.  But I managed to resist. Too bad nobody raises jungle cock.  I’d buy it for sure, if they weren’t dissapearing……like the sea trout? — /* Sandy Pittendrigh                  –oO0  * http://www.nervana.montana.edu/~sandy  * http://www.avicom.net/sandy                   */

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Anybody know of a lure resembling a Cicada (cyclical locust)?  Is there a company that might be able to custom-make such a device? — Ellard Douglas Imagine if time was logarithmic, and we were just living an exponential existence!                   Timothy D. Kuehn Comments made by Ellard Douglas do not represent the policies of CMS. By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meet the definition of a telephone fax machine.  By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment, punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever is greater, for each violation.

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There is a lure called a Cicada made by Reef Runner Lure Co. It works quite well ! Look fer it in  Bass Pro Shops or Cabela’s catalogs.

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If you are into fly fishing, try a big muddler minnow & add floatant. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a lure called a Cicada made by Reef Runner Lure Co. It works quite well ! Look fer it in  Bass Pro Shops or Cabela’s catalogs.

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just a quick question from a beginner. i’ve read all about weight of fly lines and matching lines to rods etc, but i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be? philip

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just a quick question from a beginner. i’ve read all about weight of fly lines and matching lines to rods etc, but i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be? philip

Our club has alot of tuna fly fishing freaks and some of them have broken fly lines on fish. I’m led to believe the core of nearly all fly lines is only 25-40 lb. 20 lb is normally the heaviest tippet you can use ( IGFA class ) but in Australia our National Sportfishing Association allows 15 kg tippet (over 30 lb). Some shooting heads have broken (in the middle somewhere) during fights with big Yellowfin on these heavy tippets, which from all accounts can be a little demoralising. Regard John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders

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You are correct, it is not important. — Remove nospam to send E-mail Ernie Harrison   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line,

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – just a quick question from a beginner. i’ve read all about weight of fly lines and matching lines to rods etc, but i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be? philip Our club has alot of tuna fly fishing freaks and some of them have broken fly lines on fish. I’m led to believe the core of nearly all fly lines is only 25-40 lb. 20 lb is normally the heaviest tippet you can use ( IGFA class ) but in Australia our National Sportfishing Association allows 15 kg tippet (over 30 lb). Some shooting heads have broken (in the middle somewhere) during fights with big Yellowfin on these heavy tippets, which from all accounts can be a little demoralising. Regard John Knight Sydney Fly Rodders

Hi all, I think that fly lines #5 through #7 are built on  20# test braided line. I think #8 lines and larger are built on 30# test braided line. I know it is easier to needle knot a butt into a #8 line. It seem very hard to get a butt into a #2/3/4 weight line. I think that a line that is about 10 years old will have a weaker core because of the age. We now have lines with single mono cores and with braided mono cores. Some of the real fast sinking lines have a floss like twisted core. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be?

Irrelevant, i.e. a fine example of information that could be got but nobody conceivably needs.  You can see from the structure (dacron braid) that it would be in the range 50 to 150 lb., viz. stronger than all leader knots, backing, backing knot etc. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be?

Irrelevant, i.e. a fine example of information that could be got but nobody conceivably needs.  You can see from the structure (dacron braid) that it would be in the range 50 to 150 lb., viz. stronger than all leader knots, backing, backing knot etc. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         | Even though the leader breaks, you still (at least I do) have to worry occassionaly about stepping on the line, puling down branches entwined in the line, and extracting it after getting wedged in rocks. :=) William Buchman

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just a quick question from a beginner. i’ve read all about weight of fly lines and matching lines to rods etc, but i’ve never heard mention of the breaking strain of fly lines. i guess it’s not important given that the leader will break before the actual line, but i was wondering, all the same, what the breaking strain of a 6 or 7 weight floating line would be?

As others have said that is mostly irrelevant information, however to give you some perspective on it, the floating running line used in shooting heads are about the same size as the belly section of a 2 wt. line and they are typically 30lb. breaking strength.  Six or seven wt. lines would be much stronger and the only real problem would be cutting them on a sharp object (cut a line in half on barnacles once, have seen lines cut in half with Stream Cleats) or cutting into the coating enough with a leader knot or other sharp object that the line hinges instead of smoothly transferring energy.  Never heard of a fly line just breaking.  It’s by far the strongest part of the line system.                              Hope this helps,                                   Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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…Sure some will be lost to C&R mortality but that’s only a fraction of what would be lost if every fisher person was allowed to bonk even a single fish  a day or even a season Mortality rate aside, there have been many times when I have caught the SAME trout more than once, even in the same day–even in the same HOUR!

I read this morning of a Skues story where he wrote that flyfishing hell would be to catch fish all the time, that are all exactly the same size and appearance…how are you living, JQT ? 8^)…. TimW

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…Sure some will be lost to C&R mortality but that’s only a fraction of what would be lost if every fisher person was allowed to bonk even a single fish a day or even a season

This would be an important point if fish didn’t reproduce (they do), and lived forever unless killed by a predator (they don’t).   A lot of the waters around here are heavily populated with trout, see few anglers, and the fish are delicious.  (Pink flesh, often taste like salmon.  Can’t wait til next summer.) There’s nothing wrong with keeping fish, as long as you’re not exceeding the carrying capacity of the fishery.  If you fish a stream that can’t handle a harvest of one fish per angler per season, maybe you should think twice about fishing there. Charlie Quinton

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…Sure some will be lost to C&R mortality but that’s only a fraction of what would be lost if every fisher person was allowed to bonk even a single fish a day or even a season A lot of the waters around here are heavily populated with trout, see few anglers, and the fish are delicious.  (Pink flesh, often taste like salmon.  Can’t wait til next summer.)

Wow I’ll be there next summer! There’s nothing wrong with keeping fish, as long as you’re not exceeding the carrying capacity of the fishery.  If you fish a stream that can’t handle a harvest of one fish per angler per season, maybe you should think twice about fishing there.

Some streams I fish have only 200 to 400 steelhead per year yet on c &r regs produce very fine fisheries for a small numbers of anglers. Allow even a kill and there’d be enough people bonking fish to put the runs into serious trouble. I kill fish too but I’m not dogmatic about HAVING to do it to redeem my flyfishing/sporting soul. Do you kill every fish you catch on these fine Wyomming rivers until you reach the legal creel limit and then go home?

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…Sure some will be lost to C&R mortality but that’s only a fraction of what would be lost if every fisher person was allowed to bonk even a single fish  a day or even a season

Mortality rate aside, there have been many times when I have caught the SAME trout more than once, even in the same day–even in the same HOUR!                                                        __ john quill taylor                                     / / writer at large                                      / /   Hewlett-Packard, Storage Systems Division    __     /_/ / Boise, Idaho U.S.A.                         /_/  __ _ Telephone: (208) 396-2328 (MST = GMT – 7)     /  \  / Snail Mail: Hewlett-Packard                    / \             11413 Chinden Blvd                 \             Boise, Idaho 83714                   _/             Mailstop 852                            _/                                                   _/       "When in doubt, do as doubters do." – jqt –                   china, haiti, rwanda, cuba, bosnia, … we have a list,              where is our schindler?

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T-bone ( no meat head despite the handle) among others has suggested there is no rational fore 100% C&R. How about this; it’s a rationing system for a particular body of water; it limits utilization to those who are willing to fish without the reward of a pice of meat . This can be a very big deal on water with limited numbers of quality wild fish; many of our west coast salmon and steelehad runs meet this criterea where runs of a few hundred hogh quality fishy (such as summer steelhead) cannot tolerate a kill fishery. Sure some will be lost to C&R mortality but that’s only a fraction of what would be lost if every fisher person was allowed to bonk even a single fish  a day or even a season

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T-bone ( no meat head despite the handle) among others has suggested there is no rational fore 100% C&R. How about this; it’s a rationing system for a particular body of water; it limits utilization to those who are willing to fish without the reward of a pice of meat . This can be a very big deal on water with limited numbers of quality wild fish; many of our west coast salmon and steelehad runs meet this criterea where runs of a few hundred hogh quality fishy (such as summer steelhead) cannot tolerate a kill fishery. Sure some will be lost to C&R mortality but that’s only a fraction of what would be lost if every fisher person was allowed to bonk even a single fish  a day or even a season

Sounds very un-Pavlovian what with no meat reward and all!  Only vegetarians would drool at this. Mike

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T-bone ( no meat head despite the handle) among others has suggested there is no rational fore 100% C&R. How about this; it’s a rationing system for a particular body of water; it limits utilization to those who are willing to fish without the reward of a pice of meat . This can be a very big deal on water with limited numbers of quality wild fish; many of our west coast salmon and steelehad runs meet this criterea where runs of a few hundred hogh quality fishy (such as summer steelhead) cannot tolerate a kill fishery. Sure some will be lost to C&R mortality but that’s only a fraction of what would be lost if every fisher person was allowed to bonk even a single fish  a day or even a season

Many people take the fish home, freeze them, season them for 6 to 12 month in the freezer, then throw them away. I have suggested to release the fish to many as a way to keep your clothes and car from smelling. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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I’m looking at Jet Boats for Klamath River. How is important is a center console and how big a boat and how much HP needed for two adult fisherman, opinions appreciated?

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I’m looking at jet boats for the Klamath river, CA. How important is a center console and what do you think is an adequate msize boat & motor for tow adults? All, opinions appreciated.

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Whew!…I allways get shakey when I see a post for jet boats!….they are a major nusiance on some rivers here in Montana…for that matter any motorized boat is a nusiance on a river(of wading size)….we had a clown in a boat down on the lower clark fork one summer…he would cruise at nearly full trottle up and down the river all day long…if you were wading and didn’t get out of the water quickly his wake would come up over your wader tops…it would put rising fish down for 15-20 minutes…and just when they got back on the fin, he’d come zooming back down the river…a lot of flyfisherman were talking about this guy that summer and threatening to strangle him!

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I don’t know about MT laws, but in WA this will get the guy a big fine. A person in waders is considered a SWIMER, and requires boats to maintain a 100 yard distance or be below 5 MPH.  Not sure on the exact distance in all cases, but the lakes around here enforce 100 yds. Also, any boat is ALWAYS responsible for its wake.  Check laws, and if you can’t get a local law officer out, get a few buddies togeather, get the guys boat number and personal ID.  If he blows you off at this point he will be in bigger trouble.  File a complaint at the local agency.  May require a day in court, but I bet he will learn the lesson very quickly. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Whew!…I allways get shakey when I see a post for jet boats!….they are a major nusiance on some rivers here in Montana…for that matter any motorized boat is a nusiance on a river(of wading size)….we had a clown in a boat down on the lower clark fork one summer…he would cruise at nearly full trottle up and down the river all day long…if you were wading and didn’t get out of the water quickly his wake would come up over your wader tops…it would put rising fish down for 15-20 minutes…and just when they got back on the fin, he’d come zooming back down the river…a lot of flyfisherman were talking about this guy that summer and threatening to strangle him!

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Hey, Mellow out!!    Jet boats are like mt bikes, 200 watt stereos and fly fishing "experts". A little abuse and social ineptitude can go a long ways. Several days ago I was on the Yuba when a couple of kids came fishing through with spinning gear. A flyfishing expert (in his own mind) yelled to me, "some day these guys will earn how to REALLY fish". I’m sure it just made their day.    I’ve got a 16′ aluminum jon style river boat with a 40hp outboard jet on it. I’ve had (and still have) whalers, drift boats, canoes, float tubes, kayaks, ad nauseum. . . and nothing has come close in terms of flyfishing versatility to this little jet job.  It’s quite, leaves a flat wake, floats on dew, and can fish me anywhere in the Sacramento Delta, the San Francisco Bay or on any boatable lake or river on the West coast. Just because it can go 35mph doesn’t mean it has too. It has a trolling motor and oar locks and I put just about as many miles on the thing with the motor out of the water as I do with it in.    As far as the answer to the original question, I don’t know . . . never been on that river in a jet. As far as all of the responses to the guy’s query. . . get a life.    Tight lines, Ralph —

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The absolute best jet boat on a wadeable stream is aluminum, has a large hole in the hull slightly aft of the bow, a dead engine and is on a trailer heading for somewhere else.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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Get a life..exactly…and keep motor boats off Montana ’s rivers!

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:    I’ve got a 16′ aluminum jon style river boat with a 40hp outboard jet : on it. I’ve had (and still have) whalers, drift boats, canoes, float : tubes, kayaks, ad nauseum. . . and nothing has come close in terms of : flyfishing versatility to this little jet job.   I too, like the idea of jetting to a great spot to fish, but what do you think the boat does to the fish you pass over?  I’ll bet they hide for hours afterward.  This can happen on the Salmon in Idaho.  Knee deep in beautiful water and then a jet boat goes through.  Might as well hang it up, because the fish go down… It probably soesn’t matter as much on the bigger rivers.  But I don’t know… the Salmon collects from one of the largest drainages in America. I think I prefer to go upstream and pontoon boat down.  I’ll buy my first boat this year.  It seems this approach would disturb the fish much less.  Opinions? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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About 6 mos ago I hit a reference on the net to a study that the state of Alaska had initiated.  Basically, they were going to look at the effects of jet boat traffic on spawning chinook.  The study was going to focus on small (undefined) waters.  The concern was that the heavy traffic in some areas was adversley impacting the fish.  Unfortunately, I no longer have the reference to the site or the study.  Might check on Alaska DFG site. Power boating is apparently an issue in New Zealand (Simon Lusk, chip in here please).  As part of the scenic river plan for the Deschutes River, a literature search was done about 3 years ago and at that time, the only studies on impacts of jet boats on fish, riparian habitat, bank degradation etc. that were found had been done in NZ.  It does appear that in some instances there can be an impact on sediment displacement/load in shoreside areas and bank erosion from wave wash. In addition to habitat issues, there is a growing concern about conflict between user groups as use becomes more intensive, particularly on smaller or more confined waters such as most of the water we fish for trout.  Urban planners dealt with a similiar problem a long time ago…There are not many cities in this country that DON’T have one-way streets…. On big water such as the Snake, other considerations are raised…is "wild and scenic" compatible with 300hp 40mph, ??decible power boat traffic?  The Forest Service and the non-powerboating public thinks not.  See new boat traffic regs on Snake.  The Deschutes River (lower river) has power boat free weeks during the season and there is a lot of pressure to remove them entirely.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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What follows is an e-mail response to a post on Jet Boats.  "Bogus"=counterfeit, fake.  Sorry, it was a real post, I realy did post it, you realy did read it.  I am still looking to see exactly where my occupation is listed however.  Not too long ago I heard a fairly well respected guide and author tell a jet boat owner that was a bit unhappy about regulations on powerboats that he should consider selling his mega foot mega horspower jet boat for mega dollars and investing the proceeds in an education…..then maybe he wouldn’t feel compelled to turn every body of running water into a drag strip. I would appreciate any references to studies, bogus or otherwise, that indicate that the use of jet boats in confined waters is beneficial to fish or habitat. The only bogus study involving jet boats that I am aware of also involved bass boats.  A study of boat owning penile transplant candidates indicated that over 65% of them owned either jet sleds or bass boats.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane hi.com Your post concerning JET Boat studies & spawning is BOGUS.Do your research before making such BS Claims. Perhaps if you spent some time at a job that afforded your more economic return(and less time clogging the net with this bulll shit) you might some get to the best fishing in a jet Boat. "When the Trout are lost" i’ts your fault for allowing it to happen !

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I’m new to fly fishing and planning to be in Yosemetie national park in the end of august.Does anyone know where I should go for good fishing? How about any rules or regulations I should be aware of? I also hope to do

Best fishing at end of August will be in the many backcountry lakes. Plenty of water this year, most high lakes will not thaw until August. Many secluded areas, but they entail a little extra work to reach. Those areas in North Boundry Country can be quiet and some along east side.  Tuolumne Meadows is a good base.  Campground reservations call 800 365 2267.  Permits required for backcountry overnight trips, 50% on a first come bases, 50% in advance (March-May31).  Great hikes and fishing within 3-7 miles. Try the following flies: Timberline Emerger, Stimulators,  Chironomid Pupas, Black Matuka, Mini Leech, Bright Butt Woolly Worm.  Rainbows, brooks, browns, and golden trout, up to 14 inches, most smaller. Goldens , if you haven’t seen them, they are the most beautiful in the world.  I’ll be fishing this country myself early August.  Give me a Randall Kaufmann

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: I’m new to fly fishing and planning to be in Yosemetie national park in : the end of august.Does anyone know where I should go for good fishing? How : about any rules or regulations I should be aware of? I also hope to do : Best fishing at end of August will be in the many backcountry lakes. : Plenty of water this year, most high lakes will not thaw until August. : Many secluded areas, but they entail a little extra work to reach. : Those areas in North Boundry Country can be quiet and some along east : side.  Tuolumne Meadows is a good base.  Campground reservations call : 800 365 2267.  Permits required for backcountry overnight trips, 50% : on a first come bases, 50% in advance (March-May31).  Great hikes and : fishing within 3-7 miles. : Randall Kaufmann Randy and Andy, I will be in the Yosemite backcountry working at the Vogelsang highcamp.  Friends of mine who have worked there in the past say there are some really nice lakes with excellent fishing contrary to the fishing in the valley.  Also, my spies say there is a lake up there that has some beautiful cutthroats.  Most of these lake are sort secret gems tucked away in the cover of the mountains. I would be happy to talk with anyone interested in the Yosemite backcountry.  C&R only.  Maybe we can go fishing together.  I’ll be up there all summer long until middle September. BTW, Mike Tucker, if you are reading this.  Thankyou for the great outfit you set me up with.  It really is the perfect Sierra backcountry trout setup.  Another VERY satisfied customer of Grizzly Creek Trading Company am I.   Regards, George Chan — *George M. Chan                         * "Yea, but bacon tastes good,  * *                                       *                               *

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I’m new to fly fishing and planning to be in Yosemetie national park in the end of august.Does anyone know where I should go for good fishing? How about any rules or regulations I should be aware of? I also hope to do

I was in Yosemite last August and had mixed feelings.  The senery is spectacular, but the throngs of crowds are hard to take.  I felt like I was still in the city, the only difference, we were robbed by bears instead of people (I think I’d prefer people, more predictable).  Anyway, fishing in that area is tough due to a lack of water in the late summer.  Don’t even think about fishing in the Valley, no water, too many people and probably very few fish. We did manage to fish in the east end of the park.  There are fewer people in that area.  There is a big lake near the pass, just east of the park boundry (can’t rember the name) with good fishing from the bank all around it.  There is also a tiny creek that runs along the road a few miles west of the lake.  We had a blast catching tiny Golden Trout.  They were only about 6" to 8" long but were really hard to fool. Happy Trouting!

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I’m new to fly fishing and planning to be in Yosemetie national park in the end of august.Does anyone know where I should go for good fishing? How about any rules or regulations I should be aware of? I also hope to do

My advice is to avoid Yosemite Valley in the Summer.  It’s a zoo. There are many other beautiful but lower-key areas of the Sierra Nevada. While I haven’t been there in 5 or 6 years, the Devil’s Postpile/Red’s Meadow area east of Yosemite used to be a less crowded alternative, and the scenery is spectacular.  

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I’m new to fly fishing and planning to be in Yosemetie national park in the end of august.Does anyone know where I should go for good fishing? How about any rules or regulations I should be aware of? I also hope to do

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Hi Mike With out a doubt you should fish Oatka Creek just south of Rochester. I have had extremely good times on that creek. A shop called Carl Coleman Sporting Goods in Spencerport, just west of Rochester has various maps of the areas streams and creeks that are fishable. Carls shop is a somewhat good one. Say Hi to him from me. He can set you up with the correct flies and any other equipment. He has about 5 bamboo rods that I am trying to get off of him but he is always fishing when I call.   No more than a 5 wgt is needed on the majority of the inland creeks and lakes. If you are going for some Steelheads then you will need a 6-9 wgt rod. I use a 2 wgt rod on Oatka and have a ball using it.   The Genesee River is not doing real well for the past 3 years or so. Catch you later Mike & Marie

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Mike: Oatka Creek (West of Rochester) is great in early May. The Henrickson hatch can be fantastic. Another place to try in the Rochester area is Spring Creek in Mumford (it empties into the Oatka). Also, Irondequoit Creek is on the other side of Rochester (East Side). Carl Coleman’s Fly Shop is located on the west side of town on 4786 W. Ridge Road. His phone number is 716-352-4775. Hope this helps. Bob Elliott

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I will be going home for the first time in a long time to Rochester.  I would like to fly fish streams, lakes and or ponds in the area. Potentially in the Finger Lakes area as well.  Any suggestions as tackle, location etc. would be of great help.  Thanks. Tight Lines, Michael Barnes

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