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The "real" answer would of course come from what kind of race would they run?  A sprint would of course favor the lighter/quicker boat. Unless of course I could get my mitts on that Champ.  Give me the same amount of money the guy spent on the Yamahammer and I could make that 203 leave him gagging on exhaust fumes from the start.  (Hello, Mr. Raypair?) Given the situation, I’d much rather prefer the 203 over the Skeet, tournament situations dictate performance over sometimes less than pristine conditions, and that 203 will leave the Skeet in rough water every time. But that’s what makes horse races fun to watch, right?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You would appreciate this, because the topic came up because a group of us were discussing two boats from our club that everyone recognizes as being real fliers.  Boat #1 is a Skeeter ZX190 with a modified Yamaha 150 and boat #2 is a Champion 203 with a Mercury 250. That Skeeter gets on plane so fast that it is absolutely an amazing site and is at top speed like "Right Now".  There isn’t a boat on the water in our area that can compete with that boats hole shot. That Champion gets up ok (like normal) but by the time it is up and moving that Skeeter is about a football field ahead.  Once the Champion gets moving watch out because that thing literally flys.  It is so fast that it closes that football field gap fairly quickly. These two have never raced, and probably never will (they are anglers not race car drivers).  The closest they have come to it is during tournaments when they are launched one after the other and they are running to the same area.    During launch there is a 10 second or more gap between boats.  So the debate has always been there.  But that Skeeter blows every 225 off the water regardless (skeeters, stratos, gamblers, bat cats, rangers, nitros, johnsons, yamahas, mercurys, evinrude, etc.).  I hate to see that Skeeter pull in to the launch when we are fishing certain lakes because I know this individual will be going to the same areas of the lake as I will be going (we have very similar fishing styles) because he will be there at least five minutes before me.  That big ole Champion is never going to be where I am because this individual fishes the skinniest water he can find looking Mr. Largemouth.  Where I focus more on Smallies when I know the smallie population has similar size.  If not, I go for the largemouth.  But I can tell you I watch both of these boats fly by me and from my observation that 250 merc Champion is the fastest once moving, but that Skeeter is the fastest in a mile or less distance.  But the Skeeter is a smaller lighter boat and so I wondered how these two would compare on the same boat, setup identically. — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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I would bet on the 250 for the hole shot and up to maybe 4000 RPM.  4-5000 would probably be a wash.  The tweeked 150 would probably get it’s extra horsepower via RPM and at top end, it wins.  Remember a horseposer is 550 pounds moved 1 foot in one second.  So It is a function of torque times RPM. The torque is greater on the bigger engine, but the RPM is lower for the same torque on a bigger engine. Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just to be the devil’s advocate, I would have to say that this question is unanswerable. There are too many variables. Horsepower and weight alone don’t provide enough information. What about the power curve and torque output? But, if I was betting, I’d bet on the 150hp tuned to 250hp… — Citizen Fisherman If you took two identical 20 foot boats, found two drivers that weighed the same, but on boat #1 you mounted a 150 that was ported, polished, blueprinted and balanced so that it was generating 250hp and on boat #2 you mounted a stock 250 hp motor.  So both boats are identical in every aspect except for the engines.  Which boat would be faster out of hole?  0-60? and at the end of a 1 mile run? In my opinion, boat #1 with the modified 150 would be much faster in every category because even though they are both rated at 250 hp, the modified 150 would be operating at a much higher RPM and thus generating more power output where it counts, at the prop. There nothing big on the line, just a "Big O’, I TOLD YOU SO!" bragging rights. Craig — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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Craig, You would need a little more information bubba. It would depend on several factors before I could make a judgment. First, what 150 would you start with, and compared to what 250? Some 150’s lend themselves to modification better than others.  "Porting" and "Polishing" is a misleading term with a two stroke engine.  Example: a chrome bore Merc is really difficult to do much port work with, while a Yamaha does lend itself greatly to machine work. I’ve gotten close to 250 out of both Mercs and Yamahas, and they were two completely different motors in the way they ran.  Just judging them on bottom end acceleration from a dead stop, the Yamaha would have eaten the Merc alive, but the Merc would have caught it soon enough. What hull you put these motors on would again make a big difference, the cubic inches and power curve built into the stock ECU’s of the 250’s would probably lend themselves to a quicker hole shot, but again a hard call to make sitting here. Now, if it were me, and I had that "150" on a light 17′ boat which was rated for that 150, we’ve got something that works pretty well….

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you took two identical 20 foot boats, found two drivers that weighed the same, but on boat #1 you mounted a 150 that was ported, polished, blueprinted and balanced so that it was generating 250hp and on boat #2 you mounted a stock 250 hp motor.  So both boats are identical in every aspect except for the engines.  Which boat would be faster out of hole?  0-60? and at the end of a 1 mile run? In my opinion, boat #1 with the modified 150 would be much faster in every category because even though they are both rated at 250 hp, the modified 150 would be operating at a much higher RPM and thus generating more power output where it counts, at the prop. There nothing big on the line, just a "Big O’, I TOLD YOU SO!" bragging rights. Craig — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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You would appreciate this, because the topic came up because a group of us were discussing two boats from our club that everyone recognizes as being real fliers.  Boat #1 is a Skeeter ZX190 with a modified Yamaha 150 and boat #2 is a Champion 203 with a Mercury 250. That Skeeter gets on plane so fast that it is absolutely an amazing site and is at top speed like "Right Now".  There isn’t a boat on the water in our area that can compete with that boats hole shot. That Champion gets up ok (like normal) but by the time it is up and moving that Skeeter is about a football field ahead.  Once the Champion gets moving watch out because that thing literally flys.  It is so fast that it closes that football field gap fairly quickly. These two have never raced, and probably never will (they are anglers not race car drivers).  The closest they have come to it is during tournaments when they are launched one after the other and they are running to the same area.    During launch there is a 10 second or more gap between boats.  So the debate has always been there.  But that Skeeter blows every 225 off the water regardless (skeeters, stratos, gamblers, bat cats, rangers, nitros, johnsons, yamahas, mercurys, evinrude, etc.).  I hate to see that Skeeter pull in to the launch when we are fishing certain lakes because I know this individual will be going to the same areas of the lake as I will be going (we have very similar fishing styles) because he will be there at least five minutes before me.  That big ole Champion is never going to be where I am because this individual fishes the skinniest water he can find looking Mr. Largemouth.  Where I focus more on Smallies when I know the smallie population has similar size.  If not, I go for the largemouth.  But I can tell you I watch both of these boats fly by me and from my observation that 250 merc Champion is the fastest once moving, but that Skeeter is the fastest in a mile or less distance.  But the Skeeter is a smaller lighter boat and so I wondered how these two would compare on the same boat, setup identically. — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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The hush project from Harley is the new V-Rod engine.  It went public this summer. — Bill Pentheny Adams Co. (Pa) Bassmasters Chesapeake Bay Retriever Relief & Rescue www.cbrrescue.org

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Warren my man, Bass & Walleye had an article last year, and I will try and find it (month) about porting and polishing a 150 and with that alone it was pushing close to 225 hp., and they said with one more simple thing – and I can’t remember off the top of my head, it would be pushing 235 hp.  I was told that 300 hp wouldn’t be possible. But I was also told by this same mechanic that a 250 could be made to push 500 hp or more.  I won’t mention this gentleman’s name, but he was part of the Jeff Gordon’s Race Team and now is working on a hush project for Harley Davison and his brother is a member of this NG.  As I was told, if you can dream it, he can make it a reality (if you have enoough money!) — www.yessssports.com YESSS! Sports – Your Fishing Information Source! Freshwater & Saltwater Tackle & Gear Instant Tournament News!

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The stock boat would probably be stronger out of the hole. RichZ

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I just bought my first fly rod , And went out fishing with it the other day, Wow was i missing the whole sport of fishing! I caught some Largemouth Bass , Rock Bass and Sunnys. Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

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I just bought my first fly rod , And went out fishing with it the other day, Wow was i missing the whole sport of fishing! I caught some Largemouth Bass , Rock Bass and Sunnys. Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

Advice on what?  Sounds like you are doing fine.      - Ken

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I just bought my first fly rod , And went out fishing with it the other day, Wow was i missing the whole sport of fishing! I caught some Largemouth Bass , Rock Bass and Sunnys. Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

    become more literate. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I just bought my first fly rod , And went out fishing with it the other day, Wow was i missing the whole sport of fishing! I caught some Largemouth Bass , Rock Bass and Sunnys. Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

Well, if you’re having fun and getting into fish then it sounds like you’ve gotten the important parts down pat. I personally tend not to care too much beyond that. That being said…what do you need advice about in particular? I’ve only been flyfishing 18 months and plan to be the eternal newbie, but give me some ideas what you want help with and I’d be glad to. Vegetables aren’t food. Vegetables are what the food eats.

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I just bought my first fly rod , And went out fishing with it the other day, Wow was i missing the whole sport of fishing! I caught some Largemouth Bass , Rock Bass and Sunnys. Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

Walk away while you still can. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyo Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just bought my first fly rod , And went out fishing with it the other day, Wow was i missing the whole sport of fishing! I caught some Largemouth Bass , Rock Bass and Sunnys. Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

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Bring your own Scotch. Bring enough for everybody. Bring 24 year old Macallan. Bring a tall glass for me. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

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I just bought my first fly rod , And went out fishing with it the other day, Wow was i missing the whole sport of fishing! I caught some Largemouth Bass , Rock Bass and Sunnys. Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

Ummmm, please tell US how you did it! Regards, Jeff

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I just bought my first fly rod , And went out fishing with it the other day, Wow was i missing the whole sport of fishing! I caught some Largemouth Bass , Rock Bass and Sunnys. Any advice would be greatley appreciated.

Gear, gear and more gear!  And when you think you have enough, buy more! Now where’s that damn Orvis catalog?

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Well, if you’re having fun and getting into fish

How the hell does one get into a fish??? That must be ONE BIG FISH!!! <laugh then it sounds like you’ve gotten the important parts down pat. I personally tend not to care too much beyond that. That being said…what do you need advice about in particular? I’ve only been flyfishing 18 months and plan to be the eternal newbie, but give me some ideas what you want help with and I’d be glad to.

Can we make a club for that? I’ve been at it for 10 Months and have yet to figure out if I am doing ANYTHING right… Oh I do catch fish but I tend to think that it more the fish feeling sorry for me. Vegetables aren’t food. Vegetables are what the food eats.

There goes my theories on the food chain! — Michael Era

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I’ll be in the Denver area next weekend and have 1 day free for some fly fishing.  Any suggestions on where to go this time of year? Don

Hi Don, Denver sits on the banks of Lake Norman. It’s a lake full of specs, bass, catfish, and panfish. The Catawba river flows into it and out of it through a dam. It’s a great place to fish and relax here in the NC piedmont. It does get hot as hell in the summer though. Ooops, oh, that Denver……sorry, Waldo…to damn early in the am.

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I’ll be in the Denver area next weekend and have 1 day free for some fly fishing.  Any suggestions on where to go this time of year? Don

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A.P.Dryden schrieb in Nachricht … Okay, I’ll fess up, too. I suck at drinking The Famous Grouse. I’m self-taught, from books. Never had a drinking lesson. :-O -<=== (me, drinking straight from the bottle of life) — A.P. Dryden A Loyal Explorer of The Famous Grouse Share a Wee Dram and a Tall Tale at http://www.famousgrouse.com/explorers Considering my well known and widely praised lyrical laudations of your esteemed beverage, and following a whim, basically engendered by being referred to as a salon fixture, failed  poet and a dumb popcorn fuelled farting ox, which caused me to imbibe freely of the aforementioned excellent beverage, probably due to fear of instant withering, and as a form of preventive medication, I had occasion to wander into your hallowed halls and was shocked to discover a flagrant case of discrimination, as opposed to a fragrant case of whiskey. In order to alleviate the almost fatal shock resulting from this discovery of unquieting enormity, I was obliged to partake of a further half bottle in order to steady my shattered faith in humankind, and restore my constitution and strengthen my unwavering resolve to continue my explorations. How is it sir that only colonials are admitted to your illustrious ranks, by whose decree is one of the highest possible honours ever to be bestowed on a grateful and undeserving multitude only available to members of a formal penal colony ? That juveniles may not be admitted to the glorious ranks is clear, and requires no further enlightenment, but I sir am an Englishman ! I beg you to reconsider your decision, as otherwise I will be forced to send her most regal majesties official diapproval, a tanker load of freeze dried tea,  and an expeditionary force to convince you of our basically peaceful intentions. We ask, nay sir we demand ! that these unjust and unecessarily cruel discriminations cease forthwith, otherwise sir the consequences may be grave indeed, and might well otherwise result in many wantonly resorting to the uncontrolled use of port and brandy. Yours sincerely Michael A.B.Connor  Class of ROFF 99 ( failed ).

   Huh! (didn’t talk till 6, pointen worked jest fine)                                                                John Popp                                                           in Sanford Fl.

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Truly the act of a desperate man. My gawd, I’ve got scotch like nobody’s business, but none of it’s the bird. Anything more expensive than Pete Dawson’s messes me up the morning after. Want some? —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNrB40ZdiUzdLFqlpAQEtvgf/RxrzL00kA35+K1jREtq+eN3IsCfj/EtD Z/F5e5+LjTkNmcMx/ztVxWqlmh7Eiw+yTbeeD1BOXaoFwlqRag8vbAUfHcmXT87A q6PTzOfrU20si/S8sJlYPmwr60mZrfwvlcrMTi5n97qLneppSQrG/lF2dPm0VL3I Bjh4TA4iS62MMx7ouBVWnGE/QQso1anrwSu33JfVHlKGfLQyTiGWM94r2SkOEg2z E1IrQFJCHWpL2cO49udHzsNc55+EVRWqGJyf/VNnMZpT9kxjw+Bk63+DW9EhfPMm aYifNpyGpHzfBQ55/1e9nNO37BeOvSwq0dh/rzzubp0jVg7/xnO0FA== =T2BU —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz "I’m a liberal conservative. I believe in keeping things the way that  they should have been in the first place." -anon.

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Mike Medintz: <<—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– While in non-compliance with local decency ordinances the world over, We ask, nay sir we demand ! that these unjust and unecessarily cruel discriminations cease forthwith, otherwise sir the consequences may be grave indeed, and might well otherwise result in many wantonly resorting to the uncontrolled use of port and brandy.

Truly the act of a desperate man. My gawd, I’ve got scotch like nobody’s business, but none of it’s the bird. Anything more expensive than Pete Dawson’s messes me up the morning after. Want some? —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNrB40ZdiUzdLFqlpAQEtvgf/RxrzL00kA35+K1jREtq+eN3IsCfj/EtD Z/F5e5+LjTkNmcMx/ztVxWqlmh7Eiw+yTbeeD1BOXaoFwlqRag8vbAUfHcmXT87A q6PTzOfrU20si/S8sJlYPmwr60mZrfwvlcrMTi5n97qLneppSQrG/lF2dPm0VL3I Bjh4TA4iS62MMx7ouBVWnGE/QQso1anrwSu33JfVHlKGfLQyTiGWM94r2SkOEg2z E1IrQFJCHWpL2cO49udHzsNc55+EVRWqGJyf/VNnMZpT9kxjw+Bk63+DW9EhfPMm aYifNpyGpHzfBQ55/1e9nNO37BeOvSwq0dh/rzzubp0jVg7/xnO0FA== =T2BU —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz "I’m a liberal conservative. I believe in keeping things the way that  they should have been in the first place." -anon. Mike, just curious, but what the hell is all the stuff between "Begin PGP Signature"  and "End PGP Signature"?  And, why is it there? Dave LaCourse

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Okay, I’ll fess up, too. I suck at drinking The Famous Grouse. I’m self-taught, from books. Never had a drinking lesson. :-O -<=== (me, drinking straight from the bottle of life)

A.P., that’s what we need to really get ROFF going, and further irritate those who are complaining about content – drinking lessons. Based on your vast experience, I think you should start with a post or two about techniques for attacking the famous grouse. Mark Faulkner

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A.P.Dryden schrieb in Nachricht … Okay, I’ll fess up, too. I suck at drinking The Famous Grouse. I’m self-taught, from books. Never had a drinking lesson. :-O -<=== (me, drinking straight from the bottle of life) — A.P. Dryden A Loyal Explorer of The Famous Grouse Share a Wee Dram and a Tall Tale at http://www.famousgrouse.com/explorers

Considering my well known and widely praised lyrical laudations of your esteemed beverage, and following a whim, basically engendered by being referred to as a salon fixture, failed  poet and a dumb popcorn fuelled farting ox, which caused me to imbibe freely of the aforementioned excellent beverage, probably due to fear of instant withering, and as a form of preventive medication, I had occasion to wander into your hallowed halls and was shocked to discover a flagrant case of discrimination, as opposed to a fragrant case of whiskey. In order to alleviate the almost fatal shock resulting from this discovery of unquieting enormity, I was obliged to partake of a further half bottle in order to steady my shattered faith in humankind, and restore my constitution and strengthen my unwavering resolve to continue my explorations. How is it sir that only colonials are admitted to your illustrious ranks, by whose decree is one of the highest possible honours ever to be bestowed on a grateful and undeserving multitude only available to members of a formal penal colony ? That juveniles may not be admitted to the glorious ranks is clear, and requires no further enlightenment, but I sir am an Englishman ! I beg you to reconsider your decision, as otherwise I will be forced to send her most regal majesties official diapproval, a tanker load of freeze dried tea,  and an expeditionary force to convince you of our basically peaceful intentions. We ask, nay sir we demand ! that these unjust and unecessarily cruel discriminations cease forthwith, otherwise sir the consequences may be grave indeed, and might well otherwise result in many wantonly resorting to the uncontrolled use of port and brandy. Yours sincerely Michael A.B.Connor  Class of ROFF 99 ( failed ).

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(Frogspritz) writes: Based on your vast experience, I think you should start with a post or two about techniques for attacking the famous grouse.

I’ll start. How to serve Famous Grouse. 1. Open Bottle 2. Get appropriate glass. 3. Pour Famous Grouse down the sink. 4. Pour into the glass an appropiate single malt scotch. 5. Enjoy! Wayne Knight Geneva IL                            

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A.P.Dryden schrieb in Nachricht … Okay, I’ll fess up, too. I suck at drinking The Famous Grouse. I’m self-taught, from books. Never had a drinking lesson. :-O -<=== (me, drinking straight from the bottle of life) — A.P. Dryden A Loyal Explorer of The Famous Grouse Share a Wee Dram and a Tall Tale at http://www.famousgrouse.com/explorers Considering my well known and widely praised lyrical laudations of your esteemed beverage, and following a whim, basically engendered by being referred to as a salon fixture, failed  poet and a dumb popcorn fuelled farting ox, which caused me to imbibe freely of the aforementioned excellent beverage, probably due to fear of instant withering, and as a form of preventive medication, I had occasion to wander into your hallowed halls Yours sincerely

(snip of hilarious stuff) Michael A.B.Connor  Class of ROFF 99 ( failed ).

        wonderfully done, michael!         damn near enough to turn you into an anglophile, isn’t it, taffy ol friend? wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I figure now is the time to fess up, before you all meet me in NC. Besides the fact that i’m the youngest buck in the group, I suck at flyfishing. I’m self taught, from books. Never had a casting lesson, tying lesson, or any other type of lesson. So you guys leave me alone when I start snagging your clothes and tying masturful blobs of dubbing! Tim Apple P.S. I am very proficient at drinking the Famouse Grouse though.

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I figure now is the time to fess up, before you all meet me in NC. Besides the fact that i’m the youngest buck in the group, I suck at flyfishing. I’m self taught, from books. Never had a casting lesson, tying lesson, or any other type of lesson. So you guys leave me alone when I start snagging your clothes and tying masturful blobs of dubbing! Tim Apple P.S. I am very proficient at drinking the Famouse Grouse though.

Tim, you actually believe we know how to fish? hell wayno’s gonna be cryin in his cabin most of the time mumbling "how did waldo sink that 30′ putt" between gulps of vodka. i’m gonna be runnin to the bank to deposit my winnings and george is gonna be screamin from his cabin "c’mon guys let me out" after we spike his door. some other nameless person will be tending to his animal husbandry. matt will be hungover, won’t be able to fish at all. tom will be playing with his loran equipment. mark will be chasing his southern dreams and wayne will be chasing other game. let’s see, that leaves big al and charlie…. imnsho, probaly damn good fishing pardners fer ya. apologies for any ruffled feathers and especially if i inadvertantly left someone out. –Wataugan "let the clave begin" Walt

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What the hell was that! Speak American, damn it! TWL         Big Al – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I figure now is the time to fess up, before you all meet me in NC. Besides the fact that i’m the youngest buck in the group, I suck at flyfishing. I’m self taught, from books. Never had a casting lesson, tying lesson, or any other type of lesson. So you guys leave me alone when I start snagging your clothes and tying masturful blobs of dubbing! Tim Apple P.S. I am very proficient at drinking the Famouse Grouse though. Tim, you actually believe we know how to fish? hell wayno’s gonna be cryin in his cabin most of the time mumbling "how did waldo sink that 30′ putt" between gulps of vodka. i’m gonna be runnin to the bank to deposit my winnings and george is gonna be screamin from his cabin "c’mon guys let me out" after we spike his door. some other nameless person will be tending to his animal husbandry. matt will be hungover, won’t be able to fish at all. tom will be playing with his loran equipment. mark will be chasing his southern dreams and wayne will be chasing other game. let’s see, that leaves big al and charlie…. imnsho, probaly damn good fishing pardners fer ya. apologies for any ruffled feathers and especially if i inadvertantly left someone out. –Wataugan "let the clave begin" Walt

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I figure now is the time to fess up, before you all meet me in NC. Besides the fact that i’m the youngest buck in the group, I suck at flyfishing. I’m self taught, from books. Never had a casting lesson, tying lesson, or any other type of lesson. So you guys leave me alone when I start snagging your clothes and tying masturful blobs of dubbing! Tim Apple P.S. I am very proficient at drinking the Famouse Grouse though.

*twitch!* ignore. *twitch, twitch* ignore I’m not biting! This monster is drifting down stream. the G fish —

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Hi! I’m new to this newsgroup, and was wondering if anyone on here regularly fishes in Pennsylvania, specifically southwest/southcentral.  I’m from the Pittsburgh area, and do most of my flyfishing at Dunbar Creek and Laurel Hill Creek in Fayette Co., and Little Mahoning Creek in Indiana Co. (I believe). Just hoping I could find someone to BS with. Nicole

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Hi! I’m new to this newsgroup, and was wondering if anyone on here regularly fishes in Pennsylvania, specifically southwest/southcentral.  I’m from the Pittsburgh area, and do most of my flyfishing at Dunbar Creek and Laurel Hill Creek in Fayette Co., and Little Mahoning Creek in Indiana Co. (I believe). Just hoping I could find someone to BS with.

Nicole – sorry, I’m a bit west and north of you – Centre County (State College), but come on up some time for some real fishing Mark Faulkner

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Hi Nicole:     I’m in the same area, and based on your email probably work in the same general vicinity as you.  Fish Lyolhanna near Ligoner a good deal and like Slippery Rock near Portersville, both are within an hour of downtown Pgh. Drop a note or what ever. M. Sendek – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi! I’m new to this newsgroup, and was wondering if anyone on here regularly fishes in Pennsylvania, specifically southwest/southcentral.  I’m from the Pittsburgh area, and do most of my flyfishing at Dunbar Creek and Laurel Hill Creek in Fayette Co., and Little Mahoning Creek in Indiana Co. (I believe). Just hoping I could find someone to BS with. Nicole

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In rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent.

Great  I guess I can kiss one of my favorite secrets goodbye. I’ve fished the Conejos since I was a little tike with my grandfather.

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Can anyone tell me about from recent experience? Thanks, Mark Wiebelhaus Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent. Cliff

July Issue

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent. Great  I guess I can kiss one of my favorite secrets goodbye. I’ve fished the Conejos since I was a little tike with my grandfather. It’s not that bad.  The Conejos has lots of fishable water, and there are better fishing spots in the higher streams, anyway.  I doubt that people will flock to Conejos County anyway, as it is not on the way to anywhere, and pretty far from a major metropolitan area.

Like the  uh, San Juan ? or the uh, Green ? or the uh, North Platte ? or the uh, Bighorn ? I think your favorite secret is safe for the time being.

No it’s not. It is under attack. TimW

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Sure.  I did it last month and had a blast! You can read a more extended description at the following URL:

I enjoyed reading your story.  We used to stay at Magote Meadows too. Grandpa had a travel trailer and we stayed in the RV park there.  My grandfather fished that river every summer from the early 70s until he died 2 years ago, and he was preparing to go back even then.  I have some of the best memories of my life up there. Bruce Wedding

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Mark: for the latest fishing conditions on the Conejos check www.thereellife.com/reellife/ Manuel Monasterio The Reel Life

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Can anyone tell me about from recent experience?                                 Thanks, Mark Wiebelhaus

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Can anyone tell me about from recent experience?                             Thanks, Mark Wiebelhaus

Yeah Mark, In a recent "Fly Fisherman" there was an article on Conejos. I’m not sure which month though as I can’t find it now. Anyway, look around. It was very recent. Cliff

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Gee Mike, I think we are discussing a philosophical question, not a legal one. As I live in Nashville and have never visited your fare state, I am unfamiliar with your local laws. What is flyfishing to you? Do YOU think that fishing with split shot is fly fishing? What about using running line to "cast" heavy nymphys using a fly rod and the chuck and duck method?       Sincerely, Trey

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Gee Mike, I think we are discussing a philosophical question, not a legal one. As I live in Nashville and have never visited your fare state, I am unfamiliar with your local laws. What is flyfishing to you? Do YOU think that fishing with split shot is fly fishing? What about using running line to "cast" heavy nymphys using a fly rod and the chuck and duck method?       Sincerely, Trey

Unfortunately, Trey, all legal restrictions arise from philosophical discussions.  I’d bet this question involves current debate regarding who can fish where. Charley

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C Unfortunately, Trey, all legal restrictions arise from philosophical C discussions.  I’d bet this question involves current debate regarding C who can fish where. C C Charley My point is, WHAT DO _YOU_ THINK? As far as I know, none of the people who wrote the law restricting the use of weight on the leader are posting here. I think the philospohical question is an interesting one, but I am more interested in lively discussion than quoting chapter and verse. For me, if you cast it on a fly rod using a fly line its fly fishing. Now, as a redneck, this may be more utilitarian and less rule bound than my northern brother and sister flyfishers. I would benefit and appreciate discussion about what we THINK not what we are told. So, whattaya think?      Trey

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The point is to get the fly to where the fish are, and to enjoy the experience of using the fly.

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C Unfortunately, Trey, all legal restrictions arise from philosophical C discussions.  I’d bet this question involves current debate regarding My point is, WHAT DO _YOU_ THINK? As far as I know, none of the people who wrote the law restricting the use of weight on the leader are posting here.

I suggest "philosophy" came after the fact.  In most states and provinces the earliest reason for banning weighted flies or leaders was to reduce poaching by deliberate snagging.  The rule is old in some places with salmon rivers, but has been gradually introduced in other places, notably the Great Lakes states, to wean anglers off snagging (commonly said 20 years ago to be the only possible way of landing salmon and steelhead.) When this process began about 15 years ago, fly anglers were an insignificant minority.  I.e. regulators seeking to eliminate snagging on the NY Salmon River (formerly legal) were not concerned about the fly fisherman with a twist-on half-way down his leader:  they wanted to stop the people heaving trebles pre-mounted with two ounces of lead, then available in many tackle stores. Nowadays fly fishing is increasingly common and popular — so interpreting the "no weight" rule has become important in a way no one foresaw when it first appeared in the regulations.  Only recently has "philosophy" come up. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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You’d better be careful….your post was logical, concise and made sense. That’s more than I can say about a lot of stuff I read on the ‘net. J.P. Ward Twin Willow Farm

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I think this does boil down to a question of application of regulations needed for certain areas.  Here in TN, we don’t have the difficulties associated with overfishing via flyfishing in our trout streams (at least for the most part) i.e. flyfishing isn’t as popular here as it is in other parts of the country.  We have put and take streams where the wildlife resource folks expect the trout to be harvested, tailwaters that support natural reproduction but are supplemented with stocked trout, as well as wild trout streams that don’t get stocked but can be managed using slot limits, c&r, etc.  In areas that get a lot of flyfishers on the water, DNR folks most likely find it necessary to restrict the _type_ of flyfishing done in certain streams.  I suspect this is a way to appease not only the flyfishers, but bait and lure fishers as well.  On the Hiwassee, there is a quality section that while not flyfishing only, does restrict fishing to single-hook, artificial lures/flies only.  I imagine if this section’s fishing began to decline because of the number of _flyfishers_, then they would consider limiting the _type_ of flyfishing accomplished in that quality zone.   I realize this may be a vast oversimplification, but it has been my experience in some of the streams I’ve fished out-of-state, particularly those that are popular destinations with flyfishers. Jerry Cobb Nashville, TN OR

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[snip] On the Hiwassee, there is a quality section that while not flyfishing only, does restrict fishing to single-hook, artificial lures/flies only.  I imagine if this section’s fishing began to decline because of the number of _flyfishers_, then they would consider limiting the _type_ of flyfishing accomplished in that quality zone.  

[snip] Jerry, In Georgia droppers and trailers are banned on single hook artificial streams.  I believe North Carolina is the same way.  How does TN define the single hook rule?  Is it per fly or per rod? Thanks, John Johnson Atlanta, GA

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streams.  I believe North Carolina is the same way.  How does TN define the single hook rule?  Is it per fly or per rod? John Johnson Atlanta, GA

It varies.  In the Cherokee Wildlife Management areas, a dropper is considered legal.  I’m not sure about the Hiwassee quality zone, though I’ve been told it’s one hook per rod.  I have seen anglers fishing dropper flies through that area, but that’s no indication of the regulations, however 8-( Jerry Cobb Nashville, TN OR

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Hi, In Nova Scotia it is illegal to take salmon (which are designated flyfishing only) on weighted flies, so I guess our DNR agrees with you that weighted flies are not "pure". On the other hand, get this, the rules here state "the weight can not be attached to the fly, nor extra weight added to the fly" BUT, in a discussion with a DNR rep over this very issue at a Guide’s meeting we were informed that weighted fly lines were perfectly legal, since the weight hadn’t been "added". Weird, what ? Still, I have seen lots of unweighted flies being cast upstream, ripped back and left low in an attempt to "catch"(read "jig") trout in one of our more popular ff only streams. So there you go, it’s a Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. Don

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – C I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of C weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters C designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, Hm, I do spin fish on occasions and I don’t need room for a backcast when I do. Nore do I need to worry too much about the weight of my lure or "mending" my casts. I also don’t need to worry about my cricket coming off when I cast. I find it easier to spin cast to a specific location and can cast much farther and faster than when I fly fish. I think these and other differences clearly distinguish between fly and spin fishing. For me, fly fishing refers to how I cast my line, not to what I choose to cast. Many folks look down their nose at streamers because they are not insects. Again for me, its how, not what, I cast.      Trey Monroe

It does not matter what a person (ie – the fly shop owner) "thinks" about fly fishing.  Weighted flies, nymphs, streamers, wets, and dries are all part of the broad scheme of fly fishing.  However, there is a legal definition for fly fishing, depending upon where you are. In a CT FFO Area (Fly Fishing Only), DO NOT get caught by a warden with split shot on your line to get your trusty old streamer to the bottom.   Weight MUST be incorporated into the tying of the fly or into the construction of the line, PERIOD!  As for gear, using a fly on spinning gear IS NOT considered fly fishing, legally.  You must use a fly rod and reel to be classified as fly fishing and avoid a fine.  We have seen many folks spin fishing in an FFO area and watched (& cheered) as they paid for their indiscretion (and inability to read the signs). – Mike

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Guide Service (Bill Curry)) writes: So there you go, it’s a

Amen.  

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle.

I strongly disagree! the shop owner must be a dry fly only fisherman. Too bad since stomach contents prove that fish feed mostly on nymphs all year long. The poor shop owner is missing out on lots of fly fishing fun limiting himself to hatch only days with his fly rod. bad for him but O so good for me! By the by, the first flies ever used were wet flies way back in the 1400’s and before. Hows that for "tradition"?

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle.

I would simply invite said spin fisher out into the parking lot, and invite him to get out his best gear. I would pick up a rod with a sink tip line and leader, sans fly. Then, we’d have us a little contest and see who can cast the longest distance… with no lure… Now, if he can throw 60 feet of line without a lure, and can pick up the line and cast it again without reeling it all in, I _might_ be willing to concede that there isn’t any difference between spinning and flycasting… but it ain’t gonna happen, folks! For a REAL test, let’s try the same thing without rods! Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |    TesserAct Studios  //~~~LL~~~~LL~ Update your address book today!|  New Dimensions In Filk!

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Any lines drawn between the admittedly "pure" art of the direct imitation of the accepted three major groups of may-, caddis-, and stoneflies and all other "fly" forms should be made on an individual basis, or not at all. Weighted or unweighted, the subsurface imitation exists only to entice the intended quarry, and if that brings pleasure to the angler, then so be it.  There can be no harm in the peaceful pursuit of, and the subsequent glorification and immortalization of a truly beautiful creature when taken by the fairest of all sporting methods, the fly rod.

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. Don

More Horse Hockey.  Why not liven it up a bit and consider things like Dahlberg Divers, no weight, but shaped to dive, or the infamous "Wiggle Bug"?  Maybe we should regulate flylines to a maximum castable length of 50 feet, outlaw shooting heads and require a full backcast to qualify as "flyfishing".  Speycasters and 50ft+ rollcasters must not be real flyfisher persons.  Or extend the debate to the "strike indicaters aren’t flyfishing" school of thought or using more than one fly isn’t flyfishing (never mind that there is a long documented use of a dryfly as an "indicater" for a subsurface fly or the traditional us of 5 or mor fly "casts" in the British Isles). Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. Don

Horse Hockey.  A bit of non-specific fuzzy thinking.  "Tackle"="The equipment used in a sport or occupation, esp. fishing, gear."  Since both use a long stick sort of thing to propel a faux edible thing some distance into the aquatic environment I suppose you could make the argument that fly and spin "tackle" are the same without even considering the terminal part of same…..Don’t think Dame Julianna Berners fished dry, wet or "damp" for the most part.  Suppose this discussion which tends to be of interest to those older than dirt on the North Umpqua and newbies will continue until the weightless hook is perfected.  The debate (or mindless dithering if you prefer) has been ongoing in and out of print for at least the past 25 years.     Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                           Tom McGuane

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. Don

I think that the responses have been interesting, but my question is directed towards the regulation of certain waters for fly fishing only versus other types of tackle that might be used.  I have no quarrel against fishing a dry fly on a wet fly swing, nor the use of any of the type of flies now used. (Well maybe against the use of lead vs non-lead wire/putty.)  Nor do I have anything against spin fishing or a simple stick with a bunch of worms on a hook.  I have fished waters with both types of equipment and have fished along with spin fishers. Don

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“ I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters` designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree,

` that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy ` jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would ` respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as ` being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly ` fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. ` ` Don      If you are going to have "fly fishing only," then I suppose you have to define fly fishing. Personally, I could care less. I often fish lightweight spinners with my fly rod. I make them myself. Most of the time, streamers work better than (metal) spinners. But what the hell. I also make fly rod jigs….little wire–headed streamers that I cast with a slow motion double haul. They (fly rod jigs) are often useful, although split shot on the leader, combined with a neutrally buouant fly, is usually more productive.     Is it true that people who fret and worry about definitions tend to be category people, –people who have a hard time dealing with gray area?

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C I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of C weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters C designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, Hm, I do spin fish on occasions and I don’t need room for a backcast when I do. Nore do I need to worry too much about the weight of my lure or "mending" my casts. I also don’t need to worry about my cricket coming off when I cast. I find it easier to spin cast to a specific location and can cast much farther and faster than when I fly fish. I think these and other differences clearly distinguish between fly and spin fishing. For me, fly fishing refers to how I cast my line, not to what I choose to cast. Many folks look down their nose at streamers because they are not insects. Again for me, its how, not what, I cast.      Trey Monroe

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. Don

In California, we have lots of  water that is designated "artificials only, single barbless hook".  This means that using a spinning rod with a lure ( spinner, spoon, plug or jig ) that has a single hook(s) with the barb pinched flat is OK. We have very few fisheries that are Fly Fishing Only. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. Don

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Hi: I talked with a fly shop owner last week who was against the use of weighted flies, like a large nymph, or extreme sink tips on waters designated for fly fishing only.  He questioned, and I tend to agree, that this is not conceptually different from spin fishing with heavy jigs, weights, etc.  I’m curious how others on this group would respond to a spin fisher who points to these type of fly tackle as being equivalent to spin tackle, and that to reserve waters for fly fishing only tends to ignore the similarities in tackle. Don

I totally disagree, I suppose you can only fish dries upstream also.  I fished rivers for years as a spinning fisherman, and only took up flyfishing a few years back, but fishing with heavy jigs isn’t like fly fishing.  There are many things in life that conceptually might be similar, but in reality are totally different. Vince

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Best thing I ever found for high mountain lakes is a black ant.  You can fish it with spinning gear or fly gear just a few feet from shore. Simply tie the ant on – it is heavy enough to cast 10-12 feet which is enough. Of course, it is a sinking fly.  Just let it sink as an insect which has fallen into the water would do… You can even make it from horsehair (as I once did) and it works just fine.  Works best when wind riffles the water (which, of course makes it hard to detect bites!) so that fish cannot see you.  They often cruise around the edges of the lake waiting for something to drop in, but with the clear water, the big problem is preventing them from seeing you. For spinners – use small spinners, all black or dull brass during the day and small silver spinners very early or late. Good fishing! Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have some questions about how folk fish mountain lakes.  I spin and I do a little flyfishing.  I have used fly bobbers with a little success.   I have used spinners with a little success too.  I have thot of packing in a float tube but it’s a bit much for *me* to try to pack that awkward mess in an hour and a half. So these are my questions: 1.      How do you fish a fly and fly bobber?  wet, dry, drowned (I got a 7

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  This past week on the Provo river the Baetis hatch has started. We’ve done quite well with some comparaduns.  Sometimes, though, the fish just seem to refuse them as well as any BWO or parachute.  The colors are an olive/grey mixture.  I was wondering what other patterns would be good in this situation.  We’ve landed some in the 18" range and would love to hear your suggestions and land some more.  The hatch goes from about 2:00 to 4:00 Curtis Fry

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:   This past week on the Provo river the Baetis hatch has started. : We’ve done quite well with some comparaduns.  Sometimes, though, the : fish just seem to refuse them as well as any BWO or parachute.  The : colors are an olive/grey mixture.  I was wondering what other patterns : would be good in this situation.  We’ve landed some in the 18" range : and would love to hear your suggestions and land some more.  The hatch : goes from about 2:00 to 4:00 : Curtis Fry Try a baetis emerger pattern.  Sometimes if the trout aren’t taking duns, they will be grabbing the emerging nymphs.  There are many ties.  The one I like is a standard nymph pattern, only with a section of ballooned out white or grey poly-yarn imitating the emerging wing where the wingcase would be and sparse hackle extending from the left and right sides of the thorax.  

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Try an olive wet fly…my favorite comes from Syl Nemes as follows: #18 hook–thread:olive 6/0 flymaster                rib:yellow thread 6/0                hackle: starling, 3 turns and get a bit of the                            fluffy stuff at the base of the starling feather. These took a couple of dozen fish last autumn on upper Pine Creek, PA whilst my fishing buddies stayed with drys and got skunked. Worked less spectacularly on Valley Creek,PA two weeks back, but still got a few fish. Both were streams with wild browns and/or brookies, so it should have been a fair test.  I have used this pattern for a year and a half and it seems to work consistently. Fish it like a dry or with a downstream reach cast. Good Luck!                                                               T Littleton

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From root Fri Mar 26 08:16:39 1993 Received: from macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au by galen.med.Virginia.EDU (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/1.34) Received: from ipc15.mpce.mq.edu.au by macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (5.64+/1.1) Received: by ipc15.mpce.mq.edu.au.mpce.mq.edu.au (5.64+/SMI-4.1) Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics Status: OR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -What is a flathead? Jit Keith Boyd writes: Damn, don’t they have dictionary’s where you are??  Or are you just too lazy to look it up??   Flathead Catfish – (Plyodictis olivaris) – a large yellowish brown-mottled catfish of the central and Gulf States.   Taken from Webster’s Ninth Coll. (and no they don’t meow, they have "whiskers") Keith And no, the "whiskers" won’t sting ya’…… unless, of course, you’re wading and fly fishing! bobby — "I have been told that men are natural warriors and killers and that women are naturally kind, natural mothers, the protectors of stray cats and waifs." – Jack O’Connor – Complete Book of Shooting – 1965

Yo Bobby,         You might want to post this since I can’t, i only have read access to the net, but I thought I might enlighten you about the Australian Flathead.         It is no relation to any catfish we have but is (if you know where to go) a rather large, good fighting and good eating fish, with dangerously sharp spikes on the sides of it’s  head that can rip flesh to pieces, so so much for the quote they won’t sting,         but if you ever get the chance to chase some of our flathead, it’s one of the best fishing experiences you’ll get down here. Rob McNaught. * I’m not crazy                          * Robert McNaught.                    * * is insane.                             *                                     * — "I have been told that men are natural warriors and killers and that women are naturally kind, natural mothers, the protectors of stray cats and waifs." – Jack O’Connor – Complete Book of Shooting – 1965

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -From root Fri Mar 26 08:16:39 1993 Received: from macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au by galen.med.Virginia.EDU (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/1.34) Received: from ipc15.mpce.mq.edu.au by macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (5.64+/1.1) Received: by ipc15.mpce.mq.edu.au.mpce.mq.edu.au (5.64+/SMI-4.1) Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing Organization: Macquarie University, School of Mathematics, Physics, Computing and Electronics Status: OR What is a flathead? Jit Keith Boyd writes: Damn, don’t they have dictionary’s where you are??  Or are you just too lazy to look it up??

*  Kieth:  If you are so damned hot with a Webster’s, learn how to spell.                      It’s "dictionaries" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Flathead Catfish – (Plyodictis olivaris) – a large yellowish brown-mottled catfish of the central and Gulf States.   Taken from Webster’s Ninth Coll. (and no they don’t meow, they have "whiskers") Keith And no, the "whiskers" won’t sting ya’…… unless, of course, you’re wading and fly fishing! bobby — "I have been told that men are natural warriors and killers and that women are naturally kind, natural mothers, the protectors of stray cats and waifs." – Jack O’Connor – Complete Book of Shooting – 1965 Yo Bobby,    You might want to post this since I can’t, i only have read access to the net, but I thought I might enlighten you about the Australian Flathead.    It is no relation to any catfish we have but is (if you know where to go) a rather large, good fighting and good eating fish, with dangerously sharp spikes on the sides of it’s  head that can rip flesh to pieces, so so much for the quote they won’t sting,    but if you ever get the chance to chase some of our flathead, it’s one of the best fishing experiences you’ll get down here. Rob McNaught. * I’m not crazy                          * Robert McNaught.                    * * is insane.                             *                                     * — "I have been told that men are natural warriors and killers and that women are naturally kind, natural mothers, the protectors of stray cats and waifs." – Jack O’Connor – Complete Book of Shooting – 1965

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