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I GOT IT!  The worst insult on ROFF: "Gink for brains"

I like that mucho.

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Certainly explains a lot. Floatant instead of brains. No wonder some get light headed. TL MC — "If you have tried everything you know, and nothing works, then perhaps it is time to accept that you don

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I have recently started fly fishing for striped bass and would like to pick up a floating line to match my 9 wt diamondback rod. I lready own an intermediate sinking line.  My question is wether to get a 9 wt or 10 wt. and also any recomendations on different lines would be great.  I have been looking at Cortland 444 big game; I have been told it is good for turning over "big flies". Any suggestions. Also I have a pair of orvis clearwater breathable waders.  And special cleaning considerations after using in salt water? Thanks, –Gerard Department of Mathematics and Statistics 16 Colchester Avenue                     phone:  (802) 656 – 3372 University of Vermont                            (802) 656 – 2940 Burlington, VT 05405-1455                  FAX:  (802) 656 – 2552

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I have recently started fly fishing for striped bass and would like to pick up a floating line to match my 9 wt diamondback rod. I lready own an intermediate sinking line.  My question is wether to get a 9 wt or 10 wt. and also any recomendations on different lines would be great.  I have been looking at Cortland 444 big game; I have been told it is good for turning over "big flies". Any suggestions.

#10 shooting head.  The rod is a little much for bass, I think.  You should get a BASTARD BAMBOO for a 7 Wt which you can load with a #8 shooting head. Just kidding about the rod having to be a GG BASTARD BAMBOO.  Any old brand will do but do consider a step down in casting power for bass.  You don’t need a light Tarpon Rod to catch bass with. George Gehrke All Writings

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In late August I will be fishing the deshutes near Bend Or.  At the Inn at the Seventh Mountain.  Does anyone have any information regarding this river, what to use, what to fish for and if it’s any good?  Please e-mail me and let me know.  Thanks in advance!

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The "squawfish" are fighting hard in that area.

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Closest would be Lava Island Falls area.  About a mile upstream is Dillon Falls.  Fishing anywhere in this area is good and from the Inn you can walk to them all. Just try using a large olive hare’s ear, bead head prince nymph, or tan elk hair caddis.  Check with The Patient Angler in Bend off of Colorado Ave., they will be able to give you any further advice on recent hatches.

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The "squawfish" are fighting hard in that area.

I hear that the black bullhead can really put up a dogged fight when hooked on a #4 corn fly.   -John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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In late August I will be fishing the deshutes near Bend Or.  At the Inn at the Seventh Mountain.  Does anyone have any information regarding this river, what to use, what to fish for and if it’s any good?  Please e-mail me and let me know.  Thanks in advance!

Hi Bryan, I would fish streams early and late in the day at that time of year. There are fly shops in Sister’s, Bend, Sun River and Camp Sherman. They can tell you about the fishing, what flies to use and can supply you with a guide. The lakes, like Crane Prairie, can be very good at that time, also. You have the Deschutes, Metolius, Crooked and Fall Rivers to choose from. The Deschutes river also has steelhead in July through October. I would try to find a copy of ‘Harry Teel’s No Nonsense Guide To Fly Fishing Central & Southeastern Oregon’, published by David Marketing Communications in Sisters, Oregon. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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There is a new product out on the market which allows spinning and spincast anglers to attach a length of fly line to mono and fly fish…has any one tried this product or done this themselves?  Any advice on how to fish doing this? — Pierre                     There can be only one!!!!                             |    

There goes the neighbourhood!   <g Peter

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There goes the neighbourhood!   <g Peter

Uh huh.  I just hope it’s not legal to use food stamps to buy them. Bob

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Have you ever considered the possibility of using a fly rod to cast flys?

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uneloquently put it: Uh huh.  I just hope it’s not legal to use food stamps to buy them. Bob Sorry buddy, I don’t usually flame people but that was a total dick response, even if you were just kidding.  Get a life. Kristina Go UT Lady Vols!!!

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uneloquently put it: Uh huh.  I just hope it’s not legal to use food stamps to buy them. Bob Sorry buddy, I don’t usually flame people but that was a total dick response, even if you were just kidding.  Get a life. Kristina

So what do you mean… that I offended you, and that’s wrong, so you wrote an offensive message to me, and that’s right?  What interesting "standards" you have. Bob Scott

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So what do you mean… that I offended you, and that’s wrong, so you wrote an offensive message to me, and that’s right?  What interesting "standards" you have. Bob Scott

Yes he’s right. Balance has now been restored you dick.

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There is a new product out on the market which allows spinning and spincast anglers to attach a length of fly line to mono and fly fish…has any one tried this product or done this themselves?  Any advice on how to fish doing this? — Pierre                          There can be only one!!!!                              |    

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Was fishing stripers yesterday, at a lake where just last week me and my girlfriend were slamming fish very well. But yesterday, I pretty much got shut down. But there was this kid, about 15 or so right next to us that was doing great. I tried lures, livers, mackeral, chovies, all the normally good stuff. The only 2 things I see the kid doing that I usually dont do is 1, he was using light line, maybe 6lb, and he was fly lining his bait. Chicken livers. I start fly lining, but still dont get bit. So I figure maybe its the line, I got green 14lb, water is pretty clear. I have never known stripers to be line shy or hook shy. Im trying to figure out why the kid was doing so good. Cause usually I do well myself. Lots of baitfish in the lake, maybe they get to be fussy eaters when they are eating so well. Any thoughts? stev — stev_ix_netcom_com is a fake. Sorry, Im tired of all the crap I get in the mail.    

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fishin’    Garry

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says… fishin’    Garry

I have no pride about fishing. I asked. Thats how I learn, I watch and I ask everyone everywhere I go. Great thing about fishing, most folks are willing to share info, maybe not all their secrets, but some. His suggestion was to flyline the bait, which will get you a lot more visibility on the slow sink. Plus snagless retrieves as you are above the bottom. He was using a slow retrieve, kinda like worm fishing. I tried that, and still didnt get bit. Only other diff I could see was his light rig compared to my 14lb. Beats me. The kid had the touch. Was funny, he was making his dad look bad but Ill bet dad was proud. There seems to be a fishing god, whom deems luck on some and takes away from others. Besides skill, that is. Ive had lots of days doing the same thing, getting lots of fish where most using the same tactics and bait/lures etc were not getting much. I wont argue that there is some luck involved in fishing. Dunno the ratio…maybe 80% skill/20% luck? Now theres a topic for discussion.  ;) stev — stev_ix_netcom_com is a fake. Sorry, Im tired of all the crap I get in the mail.    

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Ok, so they are overpriced.  But they had a couple of things which I’ve been unable to find anywhere else.  I put in an order last week and the site said I’d receive an email reply confirming, but as yet I haven’t received one.  Has anyone else ordered off the waysidegardens.com website and what has been your experience? Thanks Wayne **I’m not out to pasture, just gone to seed.**

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Wayside is owned by Park Seed co I have dealt with Park Seed since the 70’s and have been treated well. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com

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I ordered a dogwood tree from them and I got an email the following day.  I got the tree last Thursday.  You might want to email them, letting them know you never got an email. Lisa http://home.earthlink.net/~scrapnstamp/ <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~scrapnstamp/"Lisa Lee’s  Webpages</a

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, so they are overpriced.  But they had a couple of things which I’ve been unable to find anywhere else.  I put in an order last week and the site said I’d receive an email reply confirming, but as yet I haven’t received one. Has anyone else ordered off the waysidegardens.com website and what has been your experience? Thanks Wayne **I’m not out to pasture, just gone to seed.**

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I put in an order last week and the site said I’d receive an email reply confirming, but as yet I haven’t received

one. I suggest you give them a call since you didn’t receive your e-mail confirmation. Sometimes it’s hard to beat talking to a real live person! http://www.waysidegardens.com/contact.htm Telephone 800-845-1124 Peace! Dan D.  Louisville KY Before you buy.

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I sent in a large order for English roses to Wayside in January – I got no confirmation so I e-mailed them. I did get a pleasant reply with approximate shipping date. I found Wayside English rose prices to be quite reasonable. I have ordered roses from four different companies. So far Miller’s roses [9] of them including Heritage arrive well packed with great roots and many thick canes. Their prices were very good though selection not large. I’ll report back on other 40 or so roses when they arrive and again in the fall to let the group know which roses did the best and which companies were the best in terms of roses and service. After some gardeners recently reported that their Wayside roses arrived in bad shape and had to be returned, I e-mailed the company again to alert them to my order and the fact that I am expecting a decent shipment since I ordered early. I will be a very unhappy [and vocal] camper if my large Wayside order is not up to snuff. Randy —

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Ok, so they are overpriced.  But they had a couple of things which I’ve been unable to find anywhere else.  I put in an order last week and the site said I’d receive an email reply confirming, but as yet I haven’t received one.  Has anyone else ordered off the waysidegardens.com website and what has been your experience?

Last year and this year; no problems at all . . . I got my confirmation e-mail in less than an hour, though, so I would give them a ring and see if the order went through. Chris Owens

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Figures.  After posting this, I got the email confirmation.  Only one item was unavailable, which was a fragrant hosta that I would have liked, but don’t mind keeping the twenty-five bucks.  I’ll let y’all know how the order comes and if I’ll order more.  Wayside has always had a good reputation, but on the expensive side. Thanks for the replies. Wayne **I’m not out to pasture, just gone to seed.**

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I just received my order of three Clematis plants from Park and the instructions they included said something about Wayside gardens. Is Park a subsidiary/parent of Wayside or do they get their plants from Wayside? Inquiring minds want to know…… Jane Bergen Wayside Gardens and Park Seeds are indeed under the same ownership,

with Wayside specializing in plants and Park in seeds and a few plants. Don Martinson

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Prices to high! Quality too low. That’s my experience. But they have great pictures to help you through the winter! Glenn

I agree with the above. Wayside is a tantalizing source book, and they boast a broad variety of plant materials.  Still, their offerings within a particular species are quite modest when compared to specialist nurseries, which also are often considerably less expensive and can offer you more knowledgeable advice if you phone them. One thing Wayside _does_ do, apparently, is carry huge stocks of each offering: I have never found them to be out of anything I have ordered from them. Boyd Zone 7 (Central VA)

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each offering: I have never found them to be out of anything I have ordered from them.

Oh, I have; actually probably just slightly more often then other places I order from (but then I generally just order from them things I can’t find from other places, which may be the type of things that are likely to be in short supply).      -Sue Sanders

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My parents bought my husband and me a ‘Betty Prior’ rose from Wayside

for Christmas.  It arrived at the appropriate planting time.  It was in very good condition (they had pre-pruned it).  They enclosed very detailed planting instructions.  And, last but not least, it’s growing!  I just planted it a couple weeks ago and it has leaves on it already.  I will probably order from them myself sometime… Just my $.02. Erica P.S. Price was comparable to local nursery. Prices to high! Quality too low. That’s my experience. But they have great – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – pictures to help you through the winter! Glenn I agree with the above. Wayside is a tantalizing source book, and they boast a broad variety of plant materials.  Still, their offerings within a particular species are quite modest when compared to specialist nurseries, which also are often considerably less expensive and can offer you more knowledgeable advice if you phone them. One thing Wayside _does_ do, apparently, is carry huge stocks of each offering: I have never found them to be out of anything I have ordered from them. Boyd Zone 7 (Central VA)

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Prices to high! Quality too low. That’s my experience. But they have great pictures to help you through the winter! Glenn

I just received my order of three Clematis plants from Park and the instructions they included said something about Wayside gardens. Is Park a subsidiary/parent of Wayside or do they get their plants from Wayside? Inquiring minds want to know…… Jane Bergen

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Prices to high! Quality too low. That’s my experience. But they have great pictures to help you through the winter! Glenn I’ve been ordering from Wayside for over 10 years now and have almost

always found their quality to be excellent.  Any problems that I encountered (and there were a few), they corrected and gave a refund/replacement with no questions asked.  Yes, they are pricey, but you generally get what you pay for. "Good plants are not cheap and cheap plants are not good."  However, it does pay to shop around.  Wayside is an intermediate dealer for many of the plants that they offer and if you shop at some of the smaller, more specialized plantsmen, you can save quite a bit. Example, a friend wanted a weeping pussywillow, Salix capreolata cv. pendula.  Wayside wanted over $100 for it, but I found it offered by Arborvillage Farm Nursery (Holt, MO) for $35.00. Don Martinson                           "Existing order thrives upon ignorance and lies.   Objective truth and individual reason are feared above all."

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Prices to high! Quality too low. That’s my experience. But they have great pictures to help you through the winter!

I agree.  I buy from them what I can’t get from another source.  My experience has been that their woody plants are good quality, and the herbaceous stuff is chancier.  But they do honor the guarantee when things go wrong.  Of course, so do a lot of much cheaper places.  But the pictures–I’ll bet their catalog has gotten more people entrapped into gardening than any other single thing.                                                                                                                                                        -Sue Sanders

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Prices to high! Quality too low. That’s my experience. But they have great pictures to help you through the winter! Glenn

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Does Wayside Gardens have a web site? or e-mail address? Or a fax number? Thanks! Tim

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Does Wayside Gardens have a … fax number?

800-817-1124 — Lloyd R. Fortney ….. http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney physics, research, teaching, photography, flower gardening, travel, and fly fishing

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Last time I checked, I couldn’t find a URL or email address for Wayside. White Flower Farm is on the web — I like them just as well as Wayside.  I have bought from both many times in the past and am happy with stock and service. You can find WWF at: http://www.whiteflowerfarm.com/ — http://home.att.net/~theherndons

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Okay… Anyone know what kind of glue to use for a double bunny.  YES, I know there’s  a tying newsgroup. NO, I don’t care that I’m posting this here.

I use waterproof contact cement available at many hobby shops.   Seems to offer the best flexibility.         Jeff Lewis

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We use the spray stuff–a 3M product–777 or something like that, I forget.  And yes, it does stiffen it enough (in my experience) to reduce fouling to an acceptable level.  (of course, I find it acceptable to hook myself in the ass only once or twice a trip.) Dave

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I would assume (Danger Will Robinson… Danger!) that glued together there would be much less of a problem with the bunny strips tangling in the hook bend.  Anyone have any experience one way or the other?

Hi The bunny strips will still tangle but if you put a small loop of monofilament as a kind of tail on the back of your hook either under the glued together strips or sandwiched between the strips you’ll solve the tangle problem. Good Tying & … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products On line catalog – tips & tricks at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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Hi-   Lash a small short strip of X ray film so that it extends a bit beyond the bend. Not a cure all but it does reduce the tangle problem to a manageable level.    Extend the X Ray film well beyond the eye of the hook and bend at a 45 degree angle. Now you have a Wriggle Bunny. Just kidding. Honest;-)    -Ralph I would assume (Danger Will Robinson… Danger!) that glued together there would be much less of a problem with the bunny strips tangling in the hook bend.  Anyone have any experience one way or the other?

California School of Flyfishing. Fishing conditions, hatch charts, product reviews, tips, techniques and more.  http://www.FLYLINE.com

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Okay… Anyone know what kind of glue to use for a double bunny.  YES, I know there’s  a tying newsgroup. NO, I don’t care that I’m posting this here.

Hi I use Zap A Gap with good success. I suppose a flexible 5 minute epoxy would work as well. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products On line catalog – tips & tricks at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com

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Okay… Anyone know what kind of glue to use for a double bunny.  YES, I know there’s  a tying newsgroup. NO, I don’t care that I’m posting this here.

[Insert rebel yell here] Shall I change the header to "Let’s kill .tying", or do you want to ?  Just kidding John F…. Big Ol’ <{g… God I love this place… RE: this thread… While I have long watched from a distance the creations involving silicone, cyanocrylics and Martha Stuart’s Hot Glue, I have yet to use them…I do not even use head cement…I see no need whatsoever to glue down the stips on a double bunny.  I might throw some copper ribbing to tie ‘em down, but glue is yukky. YMWV. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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RE: this thread… While I have long watched from a distance the creations involving silicone, cyanocrylics and Martha Stuart’s Hot Glue, I have yet to use them…I do not even use head cement…I see no need whatsoever to glue down the stips on a double bunny.  I might throw some copper ribbing to tie ‘em down, but glue is yukky. YMWV.

I would assume (Danger Will Robinson… Danger!) that glued together there would be much less of a problem with the bunny strips tangling in the hook bend.  Anyone have any experience one way or the other?

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Okay… Anyone know what kind of glue to use for a double bunny.  YES, I know there’s  a tying newsgroup. NO, I don’t care that I’m posting this here.

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Okay… Anyone know what kind of glue to use for a double bunny.  YES, I know there’s  a tying newsgroup. NO, I don’t care that I’m posting this here.

Barge Cement. Ralph H "…      the sabbath rang slowly      in the pebbles of the holy streams!" Dylan Thomas, "Fern Hill"

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[snip] Cat fishing there with a fly rod dead drifting a simple worm on the limestone shelves just below the dam at Waterville is probably some of the finest sport known. [snip] Is that really you, George – or is your shadow posting again? Didn’t you recently go ballistic over someone using fly gear with bait, George? Hypocrite, George??

_______HEY MAN, give me a little slack please. How can a boy be a hypocrite at the age of 12? George — MZ

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[snip] Cat fishing there with a fly rod dead drifting a simple worm on the limestone shelves just below the dam at Waterville is probably some of the finest sport known.

[snip] Is that really you, George – or is your shadow posting again? Didn’t you recently go ballistic over someone using fly gear with bait, George? Hypocrite, George??

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Steelhead in the Maumee River now?!!!  Along with the Walleye runs that have been showing up for the last 25 years?  I happen to know the Maumee River like no man alive.  I grew up on it.  Whitehouse, Waterville, Monclova, Ohio area.  Cat fishing there with a fly rod dead drifting a simple worm on the limestone shelves just below the dam at Waterville is probably some of the finest sport known.  Used to club carp there.  Has a lot of drop offs in order to get out there.  Ron Kinkaid in Whitehouse Ohio knows that area even better than me because he still fishes it and you forget things over the years.  The Maumee, named because a crying Indian baby at Turkey Foot Rock was whimpering ma-me, mau-me is how it was named . . . believe it or not.  All the General Anthony Wayne Signs are of my design and invention back in 1953 – 54.  The entire bust and hat and everything.  General Mad Anthony Wayne is the logo for Anthony Wayne High School where I graduated in 1954.  Went directly from H.S. into Flight Training for the U.S.A.F.  Was the first H.S. Graduate in the United States to qualify for fighter pilot school via Chanute Air Force Base in the United States.  I’m kind of proud of that Lee. Yah, I’m an old Buckeye Bronco from Ohio, you betcha!  Used to walk to school (Monclova Grade School) along Swan Creek everyday, even in the winter.  Loved it so.  Chuck Holloway still lives on that road along Swan Creek.  Good place to hunt Wood Duck when the season was in but now not so much as it is basically only a nesting area now, all the way down to Wreckerly Road and where the old county dump used to be, where I used to shoot rats with a .22 single shot.  Great sport!  Rat hunting. Lou Klewer, the ex-outdoor editor of the Toledo Blade lived on Wreckerly Road and I bought my first and most favorite rifle and caliber from Lou. A pre-64 Model 70 in the .220 Swift, which still is my most favorite of all calibers. If God said I had to settle for only one Rifle it would be the .220 Swift.  You betcha!  (Once again) Anyhow Lee, where in Toledo do you live?  I hope this post you aren’t bored with.  You just brought back memories.  I’ll be flying into Toledo Express this spring, a few more weeks or so away.  I have a brother living in Sylvania and Whitehouse, Ohio.  Plus, I always visit Ron Kinkaid.  He lives directly a cross the road from A.W. High School. Have to run Lee.  I knew there was something about you I liked. George Gehrke — MZ — MZ

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: I’ve tried several times to subscribe to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying : through AOL’s expert add – I get a message telling me this group is : "invalid"  Any suggestions would be appreciated. Wait.   the group is not officially formed yet. Check elsewhere in the group for RESULTS: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying vote Jon Porter

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I’ve tried several times to subscribe to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying through AOL’s expert add – I get a message telling me this group is "invalid"  Any suggestions would be appreciated. Bill Battles

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I am posting to my newsgroups and all newsgroups related to Women Outdoors. 17th Annual Women Outdoors National Gathering       Join other women  for 3 days of fun in the outdoors in

Beautuful Peterbrough, New Hampshire, 12 miles directly north of Mass. Memorial Day Weekend, May 24-27th, l996 Keynote Speaker: Amy Baltzell, rowing Olympian, crew member of America’s Cup Racing Team Workshops: High ropes adventure course, sunrise and sunset birdwalks, Rockclimbing,Kayaks, Canoes, Hiking Mt Monadnock, tallest peak

in southern NH, biking, entertainment, great food(with  non-vegetarian  and vegetarian entrees) relaxation,fun,friends and ….. Over 700 acres of forest,lakes, streams. Lodging Options: cabin, dormitory, tent sites Mothers bring children, boys  under 8 years of age and girls $55-$78 for children 3-12 Women $88-$155 Hello. I have attended these Gathering for many years.We have

 over 475 members for over 25 states. We meet and share and  learn outdoor skills. All abilities welcome. Some of the past workshops were carcamping, tree identification,

 compass reading, 12 Steps program, Vegetable juice diet,  Women Outdoor Euipment review with Eastern Mountain Sport,  Through-Hiking on Appalchian Trail and Pacific Crest Trail,  North African Dance, Scrabble board game, Pictionary, 2-Step Dance. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Email for more information Elizabeth Wong Miller                                                         01201 PS we have a rep from Orvis fly fishing school.

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PS we have a rep from Orvis fly fishing school.

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PS we have a rep from Orvis fly fishing school.

Where is it? — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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The question is do they know how to catch fish?

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