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Nah, If you were really Welsh we wouldn’t have understood a thing you said! ) — Wayne (the Welsh invented Welshe’s Grape Juice….now, the Scotch on the other hand, made themselves useful!!!) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

I’m Welsh, and from your comments – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – above, Wales doesn’t exist! Seriously the Foot & Mouth epidemic is causing us a lot of problems.  I have organised a day out for a group of disabled anglers next week, and as the access to the fishery is via a farm, the outing has been cancelled.  Most public rights of way are closed. Some closures may seem a bit "knee-jerk", but F & M is serious, so we’ll put up with the inconvenience. I’m sure there are contingency plans for the admission of people (not just anglers) to the USA. — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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Wayne (the Welsh invented Welshe’s Grape Juice….now, the Scotch on the other hand, made themselves useful!!!)

They invented tape? ,      - Ken

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Nah, If you were really Welsh we wouldn’t have understood a thing you said!

ROTFL — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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Christopher Thomas emigrated to the colonies around 1634, from County Cairmarthen.  His parents were Tristram and Elizabeth Thomas.  I am not implying that you should have known any of these folk. <BG

Well, I live about half an hour from Carmarthen Town, of course the county is considerably larger. Thomas is quite a common name in Wales, though I’m surprised to hear the name Tristram as far back as 1634. — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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Let’s just say we’re talking after W.W. II and before the end of the Vietnam War.  Those 9 cases were where?

Before 1929, when the last was reported (as of that edition).  There were cases, 1 in Mexico and 1 in Canada, in the fifties that resulted in border quarantines.  If there were experiments with it pre-1975 and let’s say, for argument’s sake, post Dien Bien Phu, I’d suspect these were to release on SE Asia to mess up the buf population.  I just don’t see it being as that big an issue in the US (well, really, as a current naturally-active virus, anywhere in the Americas, a few parts of SA excepted, and as a weapon, the possible exception of parts of Mexico and CA) anymore.  Plus, it can be vacc’ed out. There are numerous reasons UK and Continental herds seem to get hit with this type of thing (or MCD, etc.), and some of it herd management practices, but some is space-related, and perhaps surprisingly, some is actually caused by the EU and politics. IMO, ranching practices in the Americas are such that it could and would be quickly contained because it would start and initially remain highly localized.  It could be economically bad for industry segments, but it wouldn’t cause a total collapse of the food supply, nor a strain on the agricultural output because of the extremely limited use of working cattle. TC, R

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Richard, did you receive the e-mail I sent you of the leather fly wallet a week of so ago?  If so, was it similar to the one that you have? — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

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Richard, did you receive the e-mail I sent you of the leather fly wallet a week of so ago?  If so, was it similar to the one that you have?

Well, you obviously didn’t get my response <G.  Yes, I did, and thanks – I sent you an email in response, but our ISP was purchased by Prodigy, and we have been going through the "take-over" process, so I’m not 100% certain of what gets to me or out on this account. Anyway, I had some questions and possible info, so when I can get back to the msg. I sent, I’ll resend.  Basically, it appears similar, but it was hard to tell, sorry.  IIRC, you were wondering about age, as well, and based on what I can deduce from my situation, mine is from the very late 1800’s or first quarter of the 1900’s.  As of yet, I haven’t gathered any real history on mine.  Was your dad able to shed any further light on yours? Along the same, er,  "lines" <G:  Willi, if you read this, where are we on the "conversation" resend and have you gotten the NL from OGJ? I hadn’t heard either way. TC, R

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As widespread as this tragedy is, it appears the whole country is under seige.  People are being arrested for possible quarantine violations and a sense of panic emerges.  The last outbreak in the early 90’s didn’t get quite so much attention here in the US as this one.  I think public awareness of HaM as a bio-warfare agent is greater.  We can only hope this comes under control quickly. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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"Tragedy"  is not really the right word in my opinion.  This and other similar things are simply the result of pre-programmed catastrophes waiting to happen.   Keeping massive quantities of livestock in unsuitable conditions, feeding them on questionable substances, well laced with all sorts of growth hormones, including various other wide-band medication, legal and otherwise, all in the name of profit. Is the main reason for such outbreaks. Couple this with the "free-trade" in such stuff, and you have the perfect scenario for a catastrophe. The only thing that really surprises me is that we do not have a lot more of the same, especially considering the conditions and circumstances in which other animals are kept and raised.  To call this "farming" is a sad joke. Perhaps our tofu days are nearer than we think? TL MC — "Curiosity is not necessarily a sign of intelligence" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As widespread as this tragedy is, it appears the whole country is under seige.  People are being arrested for possible quarantine violations and a sense of panic emerges.  The last outbreak in the early 90’s didn’t get quite so much attention here in the US as this one.  I think public awareness of HaM as a bio-warfare agent is greater.  We can only hope this comes under control quickly. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Bill, my dad has said that his side of the family are of Welsh/Irish decent. I believe it was my paternal Grandmother’s family.  They are Thomas’.  My paternal Grandfather was a Bowen–as, DUH– and they were from Ireland.  Do you know any Thomas’?  I believe we are descended from the Christopher Thomas line.  Christopher Thomas emigrated to the colonies around 1634, from County Cairmarthen.  His parents were Tristram and Elizabeth Thomas.  I am not implying that you should have known any of these folk. <BG Mark Harrington Bowen  a/k/a The Postmaster

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes With the outbreak of hoof and mouth disease in England, Scotland, and Ireland, closurers of farmland to hikers are taking place.  What will be the impact on fishermen of these closurers for the immediate future and will the approaching spring season be endangered by events?  This brings into question whether fly fishermen from infected regions should be permitted into the US to fish US waters.  I fish a spring creek where fishermen are in close proximity to cattle. I’m not going to answer, because I’m Welsh, and from your comments above, Wales doesn’t exist! Seriously the Foot & Mouth epidemic is causing us a lot of problems.  I have organised a day out for a group of disabled anglers next week, and as the access to the fishery is via a farm, the outing has been cancelled.  Most public rights of way are closed. Some closures may seem a bit "knee-jerk", but F & M is serious, so we’ll put up with the inconvenience. I’m sure there are contingency plans for the admission of people (not just anglers) to the USA. — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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Dad said he believed that the wallet came from either England or Scotland, due to the no. marking and that he believed it to have been made about the same time period as you stated for yours. Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, you obviously didn’t get my response <G.  Yes, I did, and thanks – –snippage… IIRC, you were wondering about age, as well, and based on what I can deduce from my situation, mine is from the very late 1800’s or first quarter of the 1900’s.   TC, R

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writes With the outbreak of hoof and mouth disease in England, Scotland, and Ireland, closurers of farmland to hikers are taking place.  What will be the impact on fishermen of these closurers for the immediate future and will the approaching spring season be endangered by events?  This brings into question whether fly fishermen from infected regions should be permitted into the US to fish US waters.  I fish a spring creek where fishermen are in close proximity to cattle.

I’m not going to answer, because I’m Welsh, and from your comments above, Wales doesn’t exist! Seriously the Foot & Mouth epidemic is causing us a lot of problems.  I have organised a day out for a group of disabled anglers next week, and as the access to the fishery is via a farm, the outing has been cancelled.  Most public rights of way are closed. Some closures may seem a bit "knee-jerk", but F & M is serious, so we’ll put up with the inconvenience. I’m sure there are contingency plans for the admission of people (not just anglers) to the USA. — Bill Grey http://www.billboy.co.uk

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As widespread as this tragedy is, it appears the whole country is under seige.  People are being arrested for possible quarantine violations and a sense of panic emerges.  The last outbreak in the early 90’s didn’t get quite so much attention here in the US as this one.  I think public awareness of HaM as a bio-warfare agent is greater.  We can only hope this comes under control quickly.

HUH!?  Foot and Mouth as a "bio-warfare agent?"  It really doesn’t affect the US, and it isn’t really fatal (OK, _maybe_ as some odd, hoping-for-damage form of "bio-terrorism"), but as warfare, it would be like one force sneezing on the other’s troops in battle and hoping they came down with really bad colds.  Are you sure you aren’t talking about anthrax?   TC, R

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The first experiments were with hoof-and-mouth because of its dispersement properties.  It was believed an intensified and more virulent strain could be developed which would incapacitate enemy troops and have a short life span to permit rapid occupation. — Wayne (not that I have any knowledge of such development or dispersement experiments) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HUH!?  Foot and Mouth as a "bio-warfare agent?"  It really doesn’t affect the US, and it isn’t really fatal (OK, _maybe_ as some odd, hoping-for-damage form of "bio-terrorism"), but as warfare, it would be like one force sneezing on the other’s troops in battle and hoping they came down with really bad colds.  Are you sure you aren’t talking about anthrax? TC, R

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The first experiments were with hoof-and-mouth because of its dispersement properties.  It was believed an intensified and more virulent strain could be developed which would incapacitate enemy troops and have a short life span to permit rapid occupation.

Um, are we talking WWI here (seriously)?  I can’t imagine using this virus, even "hopped" up (well, I guess it depends HOW hopped up).  I understand it just isn’t all that bad in its er, untampered-with form, as B/C’s go, and its danger in humans is even less than in bovine/ovine/equine pops.  It is basically non-existent in the US – most current RM texts that I have only give it a mention at best, but a early sixties edition of "Stockman’s" talks of 9 cases being reported in the US up to that point.  To the best of knowledge, I’ve never even seen it, in the US or otherwise.  It would seem its damage is mostly herd economics, rather than "danger" in the "mad cow" sense. TC, R

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With the outbreak of hoof and mouth disease in England, Scotland, and Ireland, closurers of farmland to hikers are taking place.  What will be the impact on fishermen of these closurers for the immediate future and will the approaching spring season be endangered by events?  This brings into question whether fly fishermen from infected regions should be permitted into the US to fish US waters.  I fish a spring creek where fishermen are in close proximity to cattle. Wayne to fish is human….to release divine!!  —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  —–   http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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Practically all fishing is closed as of now. Most waters are closed, and will remain so for some time.  Access to farmland etc is also extremely restricted. Many measures are being implemented to prevent the spread of the disease. Experience suggests that most will be ineffective. This is unfortunate, but a fact. Attempting to stop the spread of such viral diseases in this day and age of extremely high traffic in all directions is more or less impossible. Transport mechanisms for these diseases are in any case not fully understood. If you need more info on this, there is plenty flying around.  Specific fishing info may be obtained from the groups: uk.rec.fishing.coarse uk.rec.fishing.game uk.rec.fishing sea One assumes that special disinfectionary measures will be introduced in many places, as is already implemented at channel crossings etc. Trucks are obliged to drive through disinfection troughs etc etc. Whether such measures prove effective is a moot point. It remains to be seen whether America and other countries implement specific measures. TL MC — "Curiosity is not necessarily a sign of intelligence" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With the outbreak of hoof and mouth disease in England, Scotland, and Ireland, closurers of farmland to hikers are taking place.  What will be the impact on fishermen of these closurers for the immediate future and will the approaching spring season be endangered by events?  This brings into question whether fly fishermen from infected regions should be permitted into the US to fish US waters.  I fish a spring creek where fishermen are in close proximity to cattle. Wayne to fish is human….to release divine!!  —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the eb  —–   http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email

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Let’s just say we’re talking after W.W. II and before the end of the Vietnam War.  Those 9 cases were where? — Wayne (just guessing at these dates and possible derivative strains) To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

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Mike, we are all party to the development of cheap food production procedures, even unwittingly. I am not convinced that this is the problem at all. Frequent transportation IMO is more likely: why do sheep need to be transported to Germany, then on to Belgium and from there to Italy.? This is madness. Surely the most economical method would be to kill near origin and ship as carcases? It would remove all the suffering, too. Or does transportation attract a subsidy? I know for a fact that car panels, made in Shropshire are shipped to Italy for labelling, then reimported to the UK because they then gain a subsidy. What about all the pollution caused by the lorry transprot over those distances? All unneccessary. All part of the EC madness. Chris

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Tragedy"  is not really the right word in my opinion.  This and other similar things are simply the result of pre-programmed catastrophes waiting to happen.   Keeping massive quantities of livestock in unsuitable conditions, feeding them on questionable substances, well laced with all sorts of growth hormones, including various other wide-band medication, legal and otherwise, all in the name of profit. Is the main reason for such outbreaks. Couple this with the "free-trade" in such stuff, and you have the perfect scenario for a catastrophe.

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Knots?? You can get knotted here too hhtp://www.f-deans.freeserve.co.uk/knots/knots.htm Dixie

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http://totalfishingadventures.com  Thanks

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http://www.snapper.karoo.net/index.htm This site is purely amateur,  but I hope it would be of some use. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you want to promote your website, please reply to this leaving your url and e-mail address and a brief description of the site (1 sentence). I am creating a new feature to my site which contains useful links. Thanks Chris www.geocities.com/ccflies

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http://www.wetfly.co.uk Mainly North Country Spider and traditional materials  Thanks  Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you want to promote your website, please reply to this leaving your url and e-mail address and a brief description of the site (1 sentence). I am creating a new feature to my site which contains useful links. Thanks Chris www.geocities.com/ccflies

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Nice site – not really into wets myself but if I were… I particularly like the dying instructions – more people should get into this. Since I’m into Wulffs, muddlers and elk hair caddis variants, I’ve dyed a lot of deer hair over the years. One thing though – I couldn’t link to the good genetic hackle page – is there a www missing perhaps? R.

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Why do you not pool all your information and set up a fly fishing portal together? Besides centralising good tips and advice, you could offer forums and polls, organise events, sell a variety of gear either through yourselves or commission from a vendor, …… Plus, by grouping your efforts into a single site, you’d be more attractive to advertisers and could split any revenue. Ta.

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My Scottish club site has a quiz, beginners guid,fun pages, Hint’s & Tip’s,UK venue information and much much more. www.gibbboyd.freeserve.co.uk   Thanks Colin

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Unfortunately there is no cure to this illness and it has been known to have such side effects including, but not limited to, poverty, divorce, sleeplessness, and wandering from trout stream to trout stream.

Warren, I read about your basement apartment and it saddened me.  I hope you’re okay and that you’re not left in a financial hole for the rest of your life. My brother can’t seem to lift his head above water and it’s been 7 years now.  He had to move back in with mom and dad because he can’t financially support himself after he pays everything else.  I just wish situations like this were more fair for everyone instead of sticking it to the guy.  I’d like to see my brother able to move into his own place and become independent, but as soon as he gets a little better job or a pay raze, they ask for more money.  He has two jobs and has to work so many hours that he doesn’t even have time to see his kid.  Now, is that fair?  It’s as though he has become a financial slave, allowing others to create a new life and frolic in the sun while he works his ass off. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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Vern, not to worry.  Maybe I can make tons of money as a trout bum down the road.  Hell, hopefully I can get my degree and then get into law school. That’s my goal anyway.  I hear them lawyers invented copper wire by fighting over a penny and can make their own schedules which allows them plenty of time to fish.  In the meantime I’ll just have to make due. Warren X#-[

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…but i will be the first to say i have alot of practicing to do,,and alot to learn… like should you fish upstream, or down, or across, or look for pockets?  time of the day that is best? and so on!!!  well thanks for listing,, and everyone elses question that i am reading here in this forum… thanks.. Alex

Well, you’re getting ready to go on a trip soon, right?  Why don’t you tell us more about what the conditions are like there, where it is, what kind of water, what kind of fish, etc. Regards, Jeff

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …but i will be the first to say i have alot of practicing to do,,and alot to learn… like should you fish upstream, or down, or across, or look for pockets?  time of the day that is best? and so on!!!  well thanks for listing,, and everyone elses question that i am reading here in this forum… thanks.. Alex Well, you’re getting ready to go on a trip soon, right?  Why don’t you tell us more about what the conditions are like there, where it is, what kind of water, what kind of fish, etc. Regards, Jeff

hello jeff, well i am not sure of the place that i am going, since i have never been there before. But for what i do know and for what i have researched, is.. Pocono region in PA, there is the Lehigh River, a large river i assume, maybe some fast currents, due to the fact that they have white water rafting. Stocked for trout, rainbows, browns, brooks, steelheads, as far as other fish i am unsure, sure theres alot though,,, water conditions are varied at the moment,, water is moving quite fast although the levels are declining… other than that i am still in the process of the research…casting question,,,when there is a loud "snap" , is that good or bad? do you know of any internet videos that show the ideal casting movement and or presentations?  also, what should the ideal lenghts of the leader and the tippit be? Can you attach aweight forward line to a balanced line..etc…. last but not least(for today )  is it ok to have all of the fly line out and getting into the backing during casting, or is that mostly for when you have a fish on the run?  thanks. alex * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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will be the first to say i have alot of practicing to do,,and alot to learn… like should you fish upstream, or down, or across, or look for pockets?  time of the day that is best?

I haven’t fished the Lehigh but it is a big river.  Assuming you’ll be fishing below the dam it is 50-100 feet wide in places and wading can be difficult so be careful how you step.  I have read if you want to avoid the rafters it’s better to fish above White Haven, or below early or late in the day.  As for the fishing, just fish whenever you can – trout can be caught all day long. Try starting out with a basic technique that appeals to you – upstream or 45 degrees up-and-across stream with a dry fly or a nymph and strike indicator, or possibly a streamer like a Woolly Bugger across and downstream.  Get one of the beginner books recommended, and go out and fish! casting question,,,when there is a loud "snap" , is that good or bad?

Not good.  It’s like cracking a bull whip and it’s even possible to snap a fly off that way!  But the main problem is your cast is not well synchronized yet, but that is common.  As you develop a little more line speed the line will straighten better behind you, and if you wait until it’s uncurled behind you or almost uncurled before casting forward this problem will go away. do you know of any internet videos that show the ideal casting movement and or presentations?

Someone else please? Can you attach aweight forward line to a balanced line

Not sure what you mean by balanced line (balanced outfit?), but yes, in fact if you got a level line with your outfit I would suggest replacing it with a value priced WF (Weight Forward).  It should help your casting. what should the ideal lenghts of the leader and the tippit be?

As you might guess there is no one answer.  It depends on the situation.  The longer the leader the more difficult it usually gets to cast.  The fly line can startle fish in clear, smooth water, so a longer leader might be used there. But I wouldn’t worry too much about it under regular conditions and just get a leader around 7.5 to 9 feet.  Or ask you local dealer about what kind of fishing you’ll do on the Lehigh.  You can actually just use the leader right out of the bag for tying on the first fly or 2, but you will want to add a couple feet or so of tippet and replace it as it gets shorter during the day. Some people do this: if they want a 9 foot 4X leader, they buy a 7.5 foot 3X leader and tie on 1.5 to 2 feet of 4X tippet material to it right away. is it ok to have all of the fly line out and getting into the backing during casting, or is that mostly for when you have a fish on the run?

You would be quite a prodigy if you are accomplishing that kind of cast.  A big trout in a strong current could take that much line out, but pretty rarely (steelhead and salmon fishing I suppose it would not be uncommon.) Regards, Jeff

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hello again everyone… i thank everyone that has responded to my message yesterday. all help is appreciated,, so after i sent that message, i looked through the local phone book here in harrisburg, PA,, and found a fly shop,, grabbed my pole and headed down there… after finally finding the shop, i went in and started asking for help,,, the gentlemen where ever so kind and showed me alot, they took the time to explain things and show me the basics. I told them where i would be fishing and what i would mostly be fishing for..trout, bass, etc… then as the years go by, maybe other fish.. but for now i will take what i can get.  :)  so while being excited about the whole things i drove home with some new flys,, and a little knowledge…went in the back yard a practised my casting,, didnt do bad, but can understand and see how this works.. so i then went to the creek to get my feet wet.. after about a hour of tring and casting and oh those wind knots… i caught a fish!!! a bass,, woohoo, he was kinda small, maybe 8 inches, but nonetheless he was a fish… so now atleast i know it works,, but i will be the first to say i have alot of practicing to do,,and alot to learn… like should you fish upstream, or down, or across, or look for pockets?  time of the day that is best? and so on!!!  well thanks for listing,, and everyone elses question that i am reading here in this forum… thanks.. Alex * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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hello again everyone… i thank everyone that has responded to my message yesterday. all help is appreciated,, so after i sent that message, i looked through the local phone book here in harrisburg, PA,, and found a fly shop,, grabbed my pole and headed down there

Don’t do that.  This is likely illegal, and if you do it whilst holding a fly _rod_, you could give fly fishermen a bad name (well, really, a worse name…) <G …. after finally finding the shop, i went in and started asking for help,,, the gentlemen where ever so kind and showed me alot, they took the time to explain things and show me the basics. I told them where i would be fishing and what i would mostly be fishing for..trout, bass, etc… then as the years go by, maybe other fish.. but for now i will take what i can get.  :)  so while being excited about the whole things i drove home with some new flys,, and a little knowledge…went in the back yard a practised my casting,, didnt do bad, but can understand and see how this works.. so i then went to the creek to get my feet wet.. after about a hour of tring and casting and oh those wind knots

It will get easier, you sound like you’ve got the right attitude… … i caught a fish!!! a bass,, woohoo, he was kinda small, maybe 8 inches,

WOW, a 2-FOOTER!?!?!  ON THE FIRST CAST?!?!  Well, it is a shame it got away, but it least you landed the smaller one…(HINT, HINT).  You gotta practice all the skills, not just the casting…<G. but nonetheless he was a fish… so now atleast i know it works,, but i will be the first to say i have alot of practicing to do,,and alot to learn… like should you fish upstream, or down, or across, or look for pockets?

Oh, god, are you English?  Generally, unless you’re a guest on private waters, fish where the fish are, and here’s why:  If you’re fishing for food, it’s the best way to eat, and if you’re fishing for the love or sport, it’s your love and/or your sport.  Just don’t start doing Brad Pitt imitations or buying "all Orvis, all the time"  time of the day that is best? and so on!!!  well thanks for listing,, and everyone elses question that i am reading here in this forum… thanks.. Alex

TC, Welcome, R

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Alex, Sounds like you are off to a good start.  :-) — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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   Take it one step at a time.  Like me, I tried to do fly fishing on the cheap.  I love the sport but, due to the nature of military service (ya think I’m in it for the money?) I couldn’t afford all those nice things off the bat, so I’ve been slowly building up. (read terminal gear whore after many years)    Tying flies.  I decided to learn to tie flys ’cause it had to cheaper than buying those little bitty things.  If you get the urge to tie flies to save yourself some money, here is my foolproof 7 step plan to tying flies: Step 1:  Find a nice comfortable seat at a table.  Put something like plexiglass over a 2X2 area of the table to protect it from damage.  Don’t use a clamp vise on your dining room table.  The wife will find the damage, trust me. Step 2:  Get something to keep yourself organized.  I use an old ashtray (don’t smoke anymore) to keep small things in cause it has nice little indents in the side to keep all my tools. Step 3:  Reach into your bag and get the duct tape that you keep handy for those fishing emergencies. Step 4:  Have some one (you trust) tie you to the chair using the duct tape. Ensure that all is secure and a piece goes over your mouth. Step 5: Have that person reach into you back pocket, take out your wallet and burn all the money in there in the ashtray. Step 6: Send the person off to the ATM to max out your cards.  Please make sure he has your PIN numbers before he ties you up. Step 7:  Have your buddy burn all the money from the ATM in the ashtray while screaming "Fly tying, Bad!" over and over again.  Voila! You’re done!     This simple 7 step plan will save you the time that you’ll spend hanging out in petting zoos trying to trim that yak, stopping for road kill on a charcoal black ground squirrel and expounding ad nauseum on how unfair the penalty for importing polar bear pelts is to a true fly tying artist.  I won’t even go into the prices that people pay for a chicken skin.  Or the problems that can occur when an improperly stored road kill has its own "hatch."  (never, my God, never mention maggots to my wife)  Burning your money in one swell foop is also cheaper in the long run.  It gets it out of your system quickly and is good for your neighborhood fly merchant.                 The Reid Seven-Step-Method is available as a book on tape.                       Thank you                                     Frank Reid

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Snap is BAD.All the line out to the backing is GOOD.!If you are a beginner and you are casting the whole line to the backing you should be giving lesons! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …but i will be the first to say i have alot of practicing to do,,and alot to learn… like should you fish upstream, or down, or across, or look for pockets?  time of the day that is best? and so on!!!  well thanks for listing,, and everyone elses question that i am reading here in this forum… thanks.. Alex Well, you’re getting ready to go on a trip soon, right?  Why don’t you tell us more about what the conditions are like there, where it is, what kind of water, what kind of fish, etc. Regards, Jeff hello jeff, well i am not sure of the place that i am going, since i have never been there before. But for what i do know and for what i have researched, is.. Pocono region in PA, there is the Lehigh River, a large river i assume, maybe some fast currents, due to the fact that they have white water rafting. Stocked for trout, rainbows, browns, brooks, steelheads, as far as other fish i am unsure, sure theres alot though,,, water conditions are varied at the moment,, water is moving quite fast although the levels are declining… other than that i am still in the process of the research…casting question,,,when there is a loud "snap" , is that good or bad? do you know of any internet videos that show the ideal casting movement and or presentations?  also, what should the ideal lenghts of the leader and the tippit be? Can you attach aweight forward line to a balanced line..etc…. last but not least(for today )  is it ok to have all of the fly line out and getting into the backing during casting, or is that mostly for when you have a fish on the run?  thanks. alex * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Alex, glad to hear things went well for you.  Congratulations on catching your first fish on the fly.  Some people find it takes much longer to "devirginize" themselves. like should you fish upstream, or down, or across, or look for pockets?  time of the day that is best? and so on!!!

Unfortunately, there really isn’t any golden rule for these questions.  At times fishing upstream is the best bet, but then again, sometimes the currents will make this impossible and you have to change your position and avenue of approach.  Pockets can be excellent places to pick up fish.  It has been my experience that in general, morning and evening is the most active time, but that fish can be caught all day. I guess this is what I found part of the fun when I started fly fishing.  I had been a worm drowner and hardware hucker for years so I knew how to find the fish, but there were so many challenges to overcome fly fishing that it kept me busy constantly trying to learn and improve.  Let’s just say that the more experience you get, the more you realize you need to learn and the more you will fish, experiment, and read.  Eventually you discover that you will never live long enough to learn *everything* and will be happy just in the attempt. Good luck to you.  Unfortunately there is no cure to this illness and it has been known to have such side effects including, but not limited to, poverty, divorce, sleeplessness, and wandering from trout stream to trout stream. Warren X#-[

Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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 What’s he do?   He hands his rod to my son to play it.   Ya gotta love a guy who would do that for a kid.

A story worth reading to the last full stop, just for this bit. Thanks Joe. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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The end of the shad run is near, and my buddy was heading up to Deer Creek for the evening, so I lobbied SWMBO for a few hours of freedom after work. It helped that I still hadn’t given Craig his birthday present from two months ago.   So I got home from work, grilled a few burgers, and had a quick dinner with the family unit before bolting for the river. My son had a lot of homework to do for school, but I was willing to cut him a little slack on that if he PROMISED to do it quickly and neatly on our return.   (He did.)   All of my stuff was already in the trunk, and I grabbed his waders and rod and we were gone. We got there about an hour before sunset, usually a good time for the action to pick up.   The best hole above the bridge was pretty crowded with about a half dozen anglers, but as we suited up, an old guy headed for shore, leaving us a decent space just upstream from my buddy.   This time, I had rigged both rods.   My son was going to fish on his own. I gave him a quick lesson on how to strip in the sink tip and shoot it out again on the cast, and he managed to reach a useful level of mastery in a short time.   I think it helped a lot that the fly line gives such visible and instant feedback when you screw up.   It didn’t take him long to see what a good cast looked like, even if it took him longer to do it more frequently.   Not waiting long enough on the back cast was his most chronic problem. I fished just upstream from him and caught a decent fish early, but it became clear that the run was about played out.   I never hooked another one, and neither my buddy or his guest caught anything in the hour and a half we were there.   But as darkness approached, my son got a good hit that surprised the heck out of him.  He managed to set the hook, but the calm (really) advice of dad wasn’t enough, and he lost it.   Still, it was another of those great moments of discovery for him. Now, standing in the middle of the river and casting into the deeper channel against the far shore was obviously unproductive, but that’s still where the fish were, so we persisted.   Except my son.   He says, "can I fish the other way?" and I figure, why not.   He turns around, casts back toward shore, and hooks up on the first cast.   Damned cool.   He lost that one too, but he felt smarter than the rest of us for hooking it. In closing, I’ll add a story about why my fishing buddy is a good friend of mine.   We’d been there for an hour and a half, with little or no action. Cast, drift, cast again.   Nothing.   It was especially tough for my buddy, because he was just upstream from the guy in the honey hole who was catching fish after fish.   So when I went ashore to the car to get something, I left my son out there next to Craig.   And, after an hour an a half of catching nothing, Craig finally hooks one.   What’s he do?   He hands his rod to my son to play it.   Ya gotta love a guy who would do that for a kid. Joe F.

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NEAT-O!!! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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The end of the shad run is near, and my buddy was heading up to Deer Creek for the evening, so I lobbied SWMBO for a few hours of freedom after work.

    (great story snipped)   And, after an hour an a half of catching nothing, Craig finally hooks one.   What’s he do?   He hands his rod to my son to play it.   Ya gotta love a guy who would do that for a kid.

    my best friend would have done just the opposite.  when your boy made his offside hookup, pamlico jim would have torn the rod from the kid’s hand and yelled for him to keep the hell out of the way until he had the fish in hand.  but, ya gotta love him, too; he will shoot your ass if you don’t. you will meet him at the clave. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Joe F.

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Looks great!  Wish I could be there. Thanks,Forrest — Forrest http://www.FlyFishingREVIEW.com FlyFishingREVIEW.com WIN ANY SAGE ROD AND A one OF 3 250.00 gift certificates. Before you buy.

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This event is on again starting 8 Apr 00 at Mooloolaba, Sunshine Coast Australia. Our brochure is out now and if anyone would like a copy drop me quick info try our web site at www.australianfishing.net There are three tournaments involved: The Longtail Tuna Chase The Mercury Marine Lure & Fly Shoot Out The Game Flyfishing Invitational Some notables visiting are Cam Sigler (Snr & Jnr), Jack Samson, John Ryzanich, our own Peter Hayes and a heap of others. Peter will be out showing the finer details of that huge cast of his. Hope to see you there. —-

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Does anyone have the number to Cabela’s Fly Fishing Catalog (the special one they make that has mostly fly-fishing stuff in it)? Thanks in Advance. -Robert | Robert Cid | Department of Applied Science | University of California, Davis | -!Andale Aggies!-

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Does anyone have the number to Cabela’s Fly Fishing Catalog (the special one they make that has mostly fly-fishing stuff in it)? Thanks in Advance.

Robert, 1-800-237-4444 you have to specify that you want the fly fishing catalog. Steve

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Does anyone have the number to Cabela’s Fly Fishing Catalog (the special one they make that has mostly fly-fishing stuff in it)?

The one I have (Fly Fishing 1998) says Catalog TX-1509 on the address label. — Charlie…

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 Any one else fly fish the Au Sable river in New York State. Drop me a line if you’re interested in corresponding. I’m particularly interested in nymph fishing the West Branch. Thanks,    Bob

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 Any one else fly fish the Au Sable river in New York State. Drop me a line if you’re interested in corresponding. I’m particularly interested in nymph fishing the West Branch.

I dont think I’ll get a chance to fish there this year but I’d be glad to read reports from you (e mailied or posted to the list) if you do. Good Luck. Rob Blau

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shouldn’t rely on high sounding principles of international/maritime law.

Rely instead on the law of gross tonnage… Andy La Varre **** Join the fight against spam!             details at http://www.cauce.org

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but they never requested permission to board…

In this case they just wanted to see the boat It was a very pretty little boat, at 31 feet in St. Katherine’s Yacht Haven a very long way from home, so they were curious… Andy La Varre **** Join the fight against spam!             details at http://www.cauce.org

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Snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In reality, the combination of the fact that you are in their country and they are (heavily) armed usually infers automatic permission. Officials, by marine law, have the right to board a vessel "for just cause" -they usually decide what that means. A "warship" just has an advantage over pleasure boats in that it is heavily armed and carries its own "army" with it to enforce their rights. The bottom line is that, as others have stated, when in someone else’s country we should all behave as good guests, not as obnoxious tourists. Mel Haylock         Mel is correct. Any flagged(documented) pleasure vessel has territoral status. However, there are so many loopholes in Martime Law as to almost render that status moot when in foreign territoral waters. Add to that treaties with other countries that transfer authority to the foreign power for ships in the others waters. You best just be cool and not try to invoke Miranda, ie. be a hard ass.         If you are on the high seas, that is another story. Flagged vessels have the obligatory protection of all US armed forces. Or if they under protective escort by a warship in foreign territoral waters. Like Mel say, a warship has the where-with-all to make a hard ass point that skews the rules a bit. — Mark Fay Home OS/2 Merlin User ISDN & BitSurfer Pro S/V Enough Morgan 44 CC No. 1051223 If you’re right, Mark, how comes customs in any country will come on board a merchant ship or pleasure yacht, search the boat for contraband, seal the "spirits locker", etc. John

  Read the above John in particular the phrase ‘Just Cause’ which is open to the host nations interpritation. Peter

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Well, yes and no. First of all I assume, that you are an US citizen and you are sailing under the US flag (not the other way round, i.e. visiting the US). Actual procedures will vary from state to state. But as a general rule you can import whatever is allowed by the law of your home state. Once you are checking in at the imigration harbor local authorities will seal any equipment or supply, that does not comply with local laws. You are not allowed to break the seal until you are checking out again. Doing so will get you into serious trouble! So, sorry, no alcohol in moslem states. Also note, that most states have a very particular view about weapons. The most friendly custom or imigration officer may become all business and decide to search you boat for hours. And hiding a gun is a save way to inspect local prisons. Even for a flare gun you will need an allowance in e.g. Germany. How sovereign? You are under full jurisdiction of local authorities once you crossed the border between the open sea and coastal waters. jue — J

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writes: I purchased an antique bamboo fly rod recently.  It has a curve in on of the tip sections and I was wondering if anyone knows how I can straighten it without damaging the rod. Any help is greatly appreciated.

You have good advice in the previous responses, but another idea is to go out and hook a good fish and turn it so the fighting fish bends it back. A table leg  or other solid object to pull against can work too. The cheaper old rods will take a set just from playing one good fish if you don’t turn the rod around as you play it, and some can be bent back straight in the same manner. I have never tried this one but one aged geezer told me that you could straighten cane rods by hanging them from the tip eyelet for a week or so. Mark Vinsel www.vinsel.com

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Hi,  In a book about rod building and restoration I read the technique of steaming the set over the teakettle and then gently bending and holding it in the opposite direction to the curve.  I tried it, and it "sort of" works, but I still hesitate to recommend it.  It’s kind of spooky for the fear that Patrick points out of weakening the glue in the rod sections.  If you rewrap and put on new guides, maybe you can put the guides on the opposite or "outside" side of the curve and maybe time and usage–or a good fish will help straighten it out.  Good luck. Jess Thompson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Kirkfield’s book also gives a good account of how to straighten. He suggests practicing some on rods you don’t care for.

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In a book about rod building and restoration I read the technique of steaming the set over the teakettle and then gently bending and holding it in the opposite direction to the curve.  I tried it, and it "sort of" works, but I still hesitate to recommend it.

*snip* *WARNING*  Do **NOT** use steam to heat bamboo rods, particularly old bamboo rods.  Rodbuilders go to great pains to dry the cane (age it in dry conditions, heat treat it, flame it, etc.) and eliminate the moisture in the power fibers. The power fibers transport water throughout the cane while it is growing and will absorb moisture again very easily.  At best the rod may become "loggy", at worst it will seperate the old hide glues used on some of these rods. DO NOT USE STEAM!!!!!!!                                        Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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writes: I purchased an antique bamboo fly rod recently.  It has a curve in on of the tip sections and I was wondering if anyone knows how I can straighten it without damaging the rod. Any help is greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Steve Yoder

Hi Steve, Before trying to straighten these sets (curves) yourself, find out if the rod is collectable.  If so, have a professional do it.  Don’t try to straighten out a set on a Garrison, Gillum, Payne, Leonard, Orvis, F.E. Thomas, etc. by yourself. However, if it isn’t a real valuable rod, using an alcohol lamp like Dave suggested works.  Be sure you only burn de-natured alcohol in the lamp or it will burn too hot.  Put the cane in the top of the flame (not the bluest part) move it side to side and pull it out,  rotate it a bit and repeat.  When you get it heated to the right temperature the cane will move like clay in your fingers. If you don’t heat it enough, you will crack the fibers (you’ll hear that), if you heat it too much too quickly you will bubble the varnish and the cane will become brittle.  Go real slow and straighten the set bit by slow bit and it will work fine. A better way to straighten it would be to use a heat gun with a spreader nozzle as suggested by Wayne Catanach in his book "Handcrafting Bamboo Fly Rods". Better control over the heat and covers a larger area more quickly.   I have’nt tried that myself, but it makes sense.  Some have said you can use an electric hair dryer effectively too.                      Hope this helps,                               Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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I purchased an antique bamboo fly rod recently.  It has a curve in on of the tip sections and I was wondering if anyone knows how I can straighten it without damaging the rod. Any help is greatly appreciated. Sincerely,             Steve Yoder

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I purchased an antique bamboo fly rod recently.  It has a curve in on of the tip sections and I was wondering if anyone knows how I can straighten it without damaging the rod. Any help is greatly appreciated. Sincerely,             Steve Yoder

I’ve used an alcohol lamp to slightly heat the fibers while working the bend in my hands. This will remove most minor curves. Good luck – be careful. — Best regards, Dave Visit Dave Teffeteller’s Fly Fishing Guides Home Page http://www.olfart.com

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I purchased an antique bamboo fly rod recently.  It has a curve in on of the tip sections and I was wondering if anyone knows how I can straighten it without damaging the rod. Any help is greatly appreciated. Sincerely,             Steve Yoder

I would try to identify the rod builder.  Depending on the builder, your bamboo rod could be worth big bucks.  If that’s the case I would seek a professional’s advice.  Otherwise, a small "set" in the bamboo shouldn’t alter casting ability too much and I wouldn’t worry about it.  If the set does effect the casting, I would again seek out a reputable builder’s advice.  The problem with trying to heat it up is that you could hurt the varnish or weaken the glue that holds the individual cane strips in place.  Good luck. Patrick

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Hi.  I am new to fishing but just purchased a rod and spin outfit to take on a backpacking/rock climbing trip to the Big Sandy area in the southern Wind River Mountains in Wyoming.  The lakes where we’ll be (Clear Lake and Deep Lake near Mt. Haystack, most likely) are supposedly full of brook trout, and we hope to catch some for a couple of nice dinners (I’ll get my partner to pack in the wine by marking it "fuel", I suppose!).  I have been told that any fly resembling a mosquito (Irresistible Adams was suggested as a first choice, as well as Wooly Worms and Wooly Buggers) would work well, though I don’t know what hook size would be appropriate. I really don’t know mcuh about catching a fish.  Some of the questions I have are: Is this information in a FAQ I haven’t found? Which would work best? How does one use a spin outfit to cast with flies?   Can I just put on a bubble or a piece of shot and cast like that? Would I be better off just using a small spinner or jig? The last few days here in New Haven, Connecticut have been beautiful.  We spent yesterday rock climbing at the Shawangunks, New York.  I hope the days are fine in your neck of the woods! Thanks for any help.  Please email any responses since I don’t get to check newsgroups too often. Much obliged, Rene’ Renteria

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