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Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. Willi

        what an infatile post!  don’t you people give a shit about fishing?  what knot do you use when you tie a fly to the end of your little bitty line that is tied to your great big line that goes on your reel that is screwed on to your pole?         and, most importantly, why do you hate america?         tomatoes are red.  red is the color of communism.  you are a communist because you like tomatoes. anthony wayne harrison the third. Aren’t tomatoes really orange and not red? Just like blueberries are really purple. There is no blue food. Perhaps the communists are keeping all the blue food from us.

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There is no blue food.

        yeah, well that’s what *you* think—i don’t guess you’ve ever eaten a smurf, then!  Perhaps the communists are keeping all the blue food from us.

        i wouldn’t doubt it..  smurfs are damn good, served n’awleens style.  richard has the recipe. wayno

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There is no blue food.    yeah, well that’s what *you* think—i don’t guess you’ve ever eaten a smurf, then! Perhaps the communists are keeping all the blue food from us.    i wouldn’t doubt it..  smurfs are damn good, served n’awleens style.  richard has the recipe.

Sure do…first, you get some carpet tacks and caulk…. HTH, really I do… R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -wayno

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yeah, well that’s what *you* think—i don’t guess you’ve ever eaten a smurf, then! wayno

Really kinky. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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yeah, well that’s what *you* think—i don’t guess you’ve ever eaten a smurf, then! wayno Really kinky.

You don’t know the half of it, Frank. Papa Smurf likes to watch. Tim

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yeah, well that’s what *you* think—i don’t guess you’ve ever eaten a smurf, then! wayno Really kinky.

You don’t know the half of it, Frank. Papa Smurf likes to watch. Tim Did he get any color glossy photos with circles and arrows?

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if it’s the genetically-engineered t’maters, yeah…i invested in that venture and the stock promptly went belly-up…died on the vine, so to speak.  gov’t regs and consumer skepticism slowed it down… jeff (natural born stock killer)

Damned semantics again!  We been eatin genetically engineered maties and taties for a long long time……been feedin ‘em to our genetically engineered wolves too, for that matter. Wolfgang ubermensch sans portfolio

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There is no blue food. yeah, well that’s what *you* think—i don’t guess you’ve ever eaten a smurf, then!

Uhh…   eeewww.    Though this probably falls under the category of "more than you wanted to know", for the edification of the group, I’ll impart this tidbit of disgusting knowledge.   Most rv’s have some sort of solid waste disposal system on board, be it a built in toilet or porta potti.   These are typically deoderized and sanitized by the use of a concentrated blue liquid in the holding tank.   The contents of said tanks then, due to the strong color influence of this chemical, are colloquially referred to as "smurf juice". HTH, Joe F.

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what an infatile post!  don’t you people give a shit about fishing?  what knot do you use when you tie a fly to the end of your little bitty line that is tied to your great big line that goes on your reel that is screwed on to your pole? and, most importantly, why do you hate america? tomatoes are red.  red is the color of communism.  you are a communist because you like tomatoes. anthony wayne harrison the third.

I’ll do my best to get you a quart of that corn likker, as soon a possible good buddy! Op

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. You’re probably thinking of the genetically engineered FLAVR SAVR tomatoes: http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/biotech.html That’s the one.

Umm, don’t these fall under the heading of ‘bioengineered foods’ that people want to pass laws to protect themselves from, are boycotting McDonalds in far eastern countries over, and Mugabe just tossed 50,000 tons of relief food out of Zimbabwe because it wasn’t specified to not contain? riverman

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if it’s the genetically-engineered t’maters, yeah…i invested in that venture and the stock promptly went belly-up…died on the vine, so to speak.  gov’t regs and consumer skepticism slowed it down…

That explains why I haven’t seem them. Willi

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Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. You’re probably thinking of the genetically engineered FLAVR SAVR tomatoes: http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/biotech.html

That’s the one. Willi

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Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. Willi

        what an infatile post!  don’t you people give a shit about fishing?  what knot do you use when you tie a fly to the end of your little bitty line that is tied to your great big line that goes on your reel that is screwed on to your pole?         and, most importantly, why do you hate america?         tomatoes are red.  red is the color of communism.  you are a communist because you like tomatoes. anthony wayne harrison the third.

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if it’s the genetically-engineered t’maters, yeah…i invested in that venture and the stock promptly went belly-up…died on the vine, so to speak.  gov’t regs and consumer skepticism slowed it down… jeff (natural born stock killer) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. Willi

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Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. Willi

Perhaps these taste sharper? http://www.artsnflies.com/pages/clousers23.shtml TL MC

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Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this.

You’re probably thinking of the genetically engineered FLAVR SAVR tomatoes: http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~lrd/biotech.html — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. Willi

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Last night I ate some typical, hard tasteless tomatoes I had gotten from a roundside stand, in hopes that they would be good. I had read, some time ago, about a strain of tomatoes that were developed that would be ripe, juicy and tasty while still being firm enough to ship. Anyone heard anything about what happened with this. Willi

Not too sure if it’s the same thing, but I’ve been getting "vine ripened" tomatoes still on the vine. They say that they are "organically grown", but they do taste good, and arrive at the store in a less than ripe condition.

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Question:

Is it possible to buy a rod (non custom) without a reel seat. Advantages are: position reel for balance, lightness, simplicity, ease of manufacture…etc. I doubt if the major manufacturers make such a rod….since there would be no mass appeal for such a rod. Al At first, fishing  was just a hobby,              then it became an obsession….and a reel life.

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It’s callled a Tennessee handle, and most major manufacturers make such rods. Any custom builder will also gladly make you a Tennessee handle. I can’t recall the last spinning rod I owned that had a reel seat on it. When I build my own (haven’t done it lately, but used to build all my own rods) I never even put the stupid little metal rings that mfgs put on TN handles. I’m going to tape it on anyway, so why have them underneath the tape? RichZ

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after two years of research and fishing i can now say with some authority,that yes,thick lip mullet,and golden grey mullet can be tackled on fly gear. i personally took numerous fish to 5lb 10oz last season here in Jersey (channel islands). we fish a place here on the south east that is best described as a tidal saltwater wetland. tides are large and racey,and they cannot be fished unless local knowedge is available. they behave much like bonefish,but with some marked differences.water temp, wind etc all playing a big factor,like with most species. I have read here that people have tried and failed with this species,but rest assured it can be done,and repeated. I`ll keep you all updated,with catch reports throughout the current season. — Keith.

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Keith: If you had asked two years ago I coulda saved you the time. Floridians (those in the know) been catching mullet by cast net, seine, spinning tackle, and fly for a long time. Fact is in the old days they were a staple here. I’ve personally caught many with spin and fly. They are running little buggers and will come close to stripping all your backing off just as quick as you can set. Don’t know how it is now but they used to bunch up at the spill way after the rodman dam was built. (thats in the Oklawaha river before it empties into the St.Johns across from Buffalo Bluff near seven sisters islands just a tad south of Palatka. John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – after two years of research and fishing i can now say with some authority,that yes,thick lip mullet,and golden grey mullet can be tackled on fly gear. i personally took numerous fish to 5lb 10oz last season here in Jersey (channel islands). we fish a place here on the south east that is best described as a tidal saltwater wetland. tides are large and racey,and they cannot be fished unless local knowedge is available. they behave much like bonefish,but with some marked differences.water temp, wind etc all playing a big factor,like with most species. I have read here that people have tried and failed with this species,but rest assured it can be done,and repeated. I`ll keep you all updated,with catch reports throughout the current season. — Keith.

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Hi John, What kind of flies and how do you fish for the mullet? aloha, Fred E. Nakaguma Aiea, Hawaii – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Keith: If you had asked two years ago I coulda saved you the time. Floridians (those in the know) been catching mullet by cast net, seine, spinning tackle, and fly for a long time. Fact is in the old days they were a staple here. I’ve personally caught many with spin and fly. They are running little buggers and will come close to stripping all your backing off just as quick as you can set. Don’t know how it is now but they used to bunch up at the spill way after the rodman dam was built. (thats in the Oklawaha river before it empties into the St.Johns across from Buffalo Bluff near seven sisters islands just a tad south of Palatka. John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Fred E. Nakaguma Aiea, Hawaii

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Keith: If you had asked two years ago I coulda saved you the time. Floridians (those in the know) been catching mullet by cast net, seine, spinning tackle, and fly for a long time. Fact is in the old days they were a staple here. I’ve personally caught many with spin and fly. They are running little buggers and will come close to stripping all your backing off just as quick as you can set. Don’t know how it is now but they used to bunch up at the spill way after the rodman dam was built. (thats in the Oklawaha river before it empties into the St.Johns across from Buffalo Bluff near seven sisters islands just a tad south of Palatka. John Popp in Sanford Fl.

My thoughts exactly regarding line catching.  Heck, for years, they were considered the worst of trash fish, from Mississippi around and down, even to the point of racial slurs.  Plus, in oyster season (cold weather), keep a few, gut them and slow smoke them head-on, bone-in over a hickory or equivilent (fruitwoods aren’t my favorite here) fire.  Then flake the flesh (no skin) and mix with cream cheese (about 1 to 1), Lea and Perrin (Worchestershire), thyme, salt, pepper, and lemon juice, and serve with Melba, Carr’s, or other firmer crackers and cold dry white wine. Yum, boy… R

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Ok,Ok,OK, now that we know they can be caught…tell us what flies to use!! Very frustrating when fishing and see a 6-9 pounder jump and there is nothing I can do to hook it. Chuck

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Ok,Ok,OK, now that we know they can be caught…tell us what flies to use!! Very frustrating when fishing and see a 6-9 pounder jump and there is nothing I can do to hook it. Chuck

here you go. The answer is neutral density. as you know mullet sift through sand and mud,and get their heads down to feed,and this is also true of our golden grey mullet. these fish operate on the very edge of the tide,sometimes in 5-6 inches of water,so you actually cast back to the shore,from maybe 75 feet,so as not to spook the fish or shoal. the fly is cast approx 5-6 feet in front of the feeding pattern, and this is something which is learned,as on different tides the fish often take different routes toward shore. but to cut a very long story short,a well presented fly in the size 10 and smaller size range is best. Bent back,and using a basically dusky dirty pink,body of wool,with plastic bead chain eyes,and with a trigger colored tail. i cannot really get more specific at this stage,but presentation,seems more important than shape,and color seems to be a factor also. in water thats less than 6 feet a red tail is effective,but in very shallow water a lime green tail is king. throughout the year,i`ll get the patterns standardised and publish them. along with the techniques required foer each fly. I know you americans loathe the mullet somewhat,but they are indeed a worthy quarry,in fact as hard to catch as any permit. I know,cause i`ve caught both,and they can be very very frustrating. — Keith.

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Ok,Ok,OK, now that we know they can be caught…tell us what flies to use!! Very frustrating when fishing and see a 6-9 pounder jump and there is nothing I can do to hook it. Chuck

Well, maybe I misunderstood Mr Popp, but when I’ve caught them or seen them caught, it was by accident while fishing for something else.  I have no idea, other the a cast net, (when we want a couple to smoke ourselves ((Rather than buying)), we’ll carry a net while floundering) what one would use SPECIFICALLY to catch them.  I guess use a shrimp or streamer and pretend you’re after redfish or striped bass….a bone pattern and pretend you’re after bones….<G? R

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good advice SNIPPED for bw.. I know you americans loathe the mullet somewhat,but they are indeed a worthy quarry,in fact as hard to catch as any permit. I know,cause i`ve caught both,and they can be very very frustrating. — Keith.

I’ll be damned!  I know of many old-timers that would be (be)mused…Fly-fishing specifically for mullet…hey, fishing is fishing, and this sounds fun, plus you can eat the catch…The only thing I can add is the above-mentioned pretense of being after game fish, as that usually insures at least one or two…<G.   One thought, however, is possible that we are talking about different species of fish?  I know of white and striped, but not golden, plus your mention of "hard to catch as any permit."  Your "mullet" isn’t some form of Pompano, is it? TC, R

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Catching mullet on a fly is easily accomplished by chuming them with small bread balls and using small white/grey flies to immitate the bread balls. It is true that large mullet will take line, but they tire very quickly and are not at all like a bonefish. Bob E. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – after two years of research and fishing i can now say with some authority,that yes,thick lip mullet,and golden grey mullet can be tackled on fly gear. i personally took numerous fish to 5lb 10oz last season here in Jersey (channel islands). we fish a place here on the south east that is best described as a tidal saltwater wetland. tides are large and racey,and they cannot be fished unless local knowedge is available. they behave much like bonefish,but with some marked differences.water temp, wind etc all playing a big factor,like with most species. I have read here that people have tried and failed with this species,but rest assured it can be done,and repeated. I`ll keep you all updated,with catch reports throughout the current season. — Keith.

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Catching mullet on a fly is easily accomplished by chuming them with small bread balls and using small white/grey flies to immitate the bread balls. It is true that large mullet will take line, but they tire very quickly and are not at all like a bonefish. Bob E.

Ah,yes you can catch mullet like this,but is it really fly fishing ?. i think not. you could also toss a hand grenade at the mullet,and stun them,walk on over and scoop them up in your hand. Unfortunatly,this would not be too much fun,for me or the mullet. I`m actually taking a purists view,that fly caught fish should be just that.Fly caught without the assistance of chum,or any other aid. One rod,one fly,one fish. At least thats the way i like to do it. Also in no way would i compare the fighting qualities to that of bonefish. i was refering to the habits of the fish. but then again,on the right gear,which seems to be a 6#wt outfit,they display fine fighting ability. Its like comparing a stock rainbow trout that weighs 8lb,and last saw a man feeding it trout pellets,to the wild rainbow of the mountain stream that weighs only 2lb. ask yourself which would be the better and most rewarding catch ?. Thats why i choose to flyfish in saltwater here.Its never been done on my doorstep,and its all a new and very rewarding experience,no matter what the species. — Keith.

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Want to catch mullet on a fly without chuming? There’s a way to do that too. It’s much more challenging than the bread ball trick. Ask (better yet, hire) Capt. Steve Kantner from the Fort Lauderdale area. He’s the expert. Bob E. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Catching mullet on a fly is easily accomplished by chuming them with small bread balls and using small white/grey flies to immitate the bread balls. It is true that large mullet will take line, but they tire very quickly and are not at all like a bonefish. Bob E. Ah,yes you can catch mullet like this,but is it really fly fishing ?. i think not. you could also toss a hand grenade at the mullet,and stun them,walk on over and scoop them up in your hand. Unfortunatly,this would not be too much fun,for me or the mullet. I`m actually taking a purists view,that fly caught fish should be just that.Fly caught without the assistance of chum,or any other aid. One rod,one fly,one fish. At least thats the way i like to do it. Also in no way would i compare the fighting qualities to that of bonefish. i was refering to the habits of the fish. but then again,on the right gear,which seems to be a 6#wt outfit,they display fine fighting ability. Its like comparing a stock rainbow trout that weighs 8lb,and last saw a man feeding it trout pellets,to the wild rainbow of the mountain stream that weighs only 2lb. ask yourself which would be the better and most rewarding catch ?. Thats why i choose to flyfish in saltwater here.Its never been done on my doorstep,and its all a new and very rewarding experience,no matter what the species. — Keith.

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Any small brown subsurface fly works. They are normally vegetarian but will on occasion think a fly floating vegetation. If it is slow going you can start a feeding frenzy with chicken feed. Take a handful, dip your hand in the water and mash the feed into a ball. Throw it out into the water. When the swirls are hot and heavy flip the fly into the melee and hang on. John Popp in Sanford Fl. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi John, What kind of flies and how do you fish for the mullet? aloha, Fred E. Nakaguma Aiea, Hawaii Keith: If you had asked two years ago I coulda saved you the time. Floridians (those in the know) been catching mullet by cast net, seine, spinning tackle, and fly for a long time. Fact is in the old days they were a staple here. I’ve personally caught many with spin and fly. They are running little buggers and will come close to stripping all your backing off just as quick as you can set. Don’t know how it is now but they used to bunch up at the spill way after the rodman dam was built. (thats in the Oklawaha river before it empties into the St.Johns across from Buffalo Bluff near seven sisters islands just a tad south of Palatka. John Popp in Sanford Fl. — Fred E. Nakaguma Aiea, Hawaii

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When they are jumping they are ridding themselves of vermin and don’t give a fig for eating. Ever try to get a dog to do something in the middle of a flea scratch ? John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok,Ok,OK, now that we know they can be caught…tell us what flies to use!! Very frustrating when fishing and see a 6-9 pounder jump and there is nothing I can do to hook it. Chuck

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SNIPPED Heck, for years, they were considered the worst of trash fish, from Mississippi around and down, even to the point of racial slurs

Funny isn’t it! – Same thing the world over. If we fished near a sewer outlet, we used to laugh about catching a "blind mullet". Cheers JK

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"In alphabetical order …. " You might want to check your order. Allan

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In alphabetical order, I think a new law firm should be set up in Montana by three such men that need a change in life and a serious move into happy trout country.  I.E. "HARRISON, FAULKNER & MILLER"  the Legal Maulers of Montana would have a thriving practice and they could fly fish every lunch hour if they so choose.  I would even donate my services in exchange for theirs.  It would certainly be of equal value! Billings Montana is a serious location  including, Helena and Missoula or even Hamilton Montana.  I only wonder how good they would look in a Western Stetson? Of course they may always try Jackson  Hole and compete with Jerry Spence! CSG (chuckle, sneer, grin!) Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/chat

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"In alphabetical order …. " You might want to check your order. Allan

; ) Mr. G. GOTCHA! — http://www.gink.com/chat

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; ) Mr. G. GOTCHA!

See how often the gnome will dip into the same sorry little bag to cover his lame ass? GOTCHERSELF!!

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See how often the gnome will dip into the same sorry little bag to cover his lame ass? GOTCHERSELF!!

______  Your breeding is showing. Sad. Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/chat

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Wolfgang writes: ; ) Mr. G. GOTCHA! See how often the gnome will dip into the same sorry little bag to cover his lame ass? GOTCHERSELF!!

Bwwwhahahahahaha.  ROFLEO. So very, very true, Wolf.  The twits of this world will never change.   d;0) Dave L.

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Whooops!  Guess I rose to the bait …. er,  fly.

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"In alphabetical order …. " You might want to check your order.

things ain’t always rational in Bizarro world. Myxtplk

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You ought to be careful here George, somebody who uses the word bastard as often as you do, not to mention all the other choice language you occasionally come out with, really should refrain from comment on breeding. I fear you may know how it occurs, but not what it means. — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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You ought to be careful here George, somebody who uses the word bastard as often as you do, not to mention all the other choice language you occasionally come out with, really should refrain from comment on breeding. I fear you may know how it occurs, but not what it means.

_______ Gee Mike, that term was not used by me in THIS thread, but I see your point and you’re right. I do know, as a matter of fact, what you mean for I may have sired all the bottom dwellers here.  I guess some of us have a talent for such things but look at the fun they’re having!? I will refrain from commenting on what you have aptly pointed out in the future.  What would I do without you Mike?  You’re a great guy who is always looking after me. I am a blessed man, Your pal, George Gehrke Beware!  Do not feed the Bottom Dwellers! — http://www.gink.com

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I suppose I ought to comment on this thread even though I don’t know why. Well, I sure as hell wouldn’t mind practicing with these guys, particularly in Montana.  Although we’d all be working the overnight shift at Ole’s so we could fish all day, so the law degree becomes superfilous anyway. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Question:

Was last there five years ago and am thinking of going again in August and know they have a new system for permits with a new automated Provincial Parc permit phone # and all (which I have), but I’m not sure of my dates yet so I have a simple question: Is the system basically the same now as it was before, i.e., you call, reserve your permit, but then gotta pick it up and pay at one of the Ranger stations at the entry points?         Thanks in advance. Sure wish those folks designing these automated tele systems would think about how to provide a way to get some simple information in addition to providing rote services. tgb

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Is the system basically the

same now as it was before, i.e., you call, reserve your permit, but then gotta pick it up and pay at one of the Ranger stations at the entry points? I was sending my answer, when aol decided to close down, so I may be posting this twice. I just received my Remote Area Border Crossing Permit today. Since most or all of the remote customs areas have been closed, you either have to do it by mail or check in at a spot that may not be near your crossing. By mail. they want a photocopy of Birth Certificate and $30 per person or family. Mine took about 2 weeks to process. Dave http://members.tripod.com/~VideoDave

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In response to my question as to permits for Quetico camping DavesVideo I just received my Remote Area Border Crossing Permit today. Since most or all of the remote customs areas have been closed, you either have to do it by mail or check in at a spot that may not be near your crossing. By mail. they want a photocopy of Birth Certificate and $30 per person or family. Mine took about 2 weeks to process.

        Nah Dave, that’s a different thing. That’s for when you want to cross the Border at a … remote point of entry. But, for instance, if you are gonna go into the Parc from one of the northern entry points, and gonna come in from, say, Atikokan, and cross the border at Int’l Falls or Pigeon River, then you don’t need that, and that’s what I’m gonna do. That’s a permit to cross the border, needed at certain remote spots. What I’m interested in is the permit for camping. And my question again is whether the system for these is the same as it used to be: you call, reserve a permit for X date entry, then hafta pick same up at a Ranger station at the Parc when you go in, at which point you also pay. Answer anyone? tgb

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We’re doing the same thing this year – reserve permits and pick them up at a rangers station. For what it’s worth, we reserved our permits back in Feb which was before the new system was put into place. Was last there five years ago and am thinking of going again in August and know they have a new system for permits with a new automated Provincial Parc permit phone # and all (which I have), but I’m not sure of my dates yet so I have a simple question: Is the system basically the same now as it was before, i.e., you call, reserve your permit, but then gotta pick it up and pay at one of the Ranger stations at the entry points?    Thanks in advance. Sure wish those folks designing these automated tele systems would think about how to provide a way to get some simple information in addition to providing rote services. tgb

- Mark Chun Santa Barbara, CA

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In response to my post asking about current Quetico permit processes qrk We’re doing the same thing this year – reserve permits and pick them up at a rangers station. For what it’s worth, we reserved our permits back in Feb which was before the new system was put into place.

        Hey, thanks, and for what it’s worth I found out I’m already screwed. Called to get a permit (finally nailed down my possible dates of entry) and they seem to have zip available for Aug. 12, 13, 14, etc. at entry points not also requiring one of these new remote border crossing permits. Arrgg.         Anyone know of any nice lakes/areas up around SW Ontario not in Quetico where you can find some solitude, nice canoeing, and good smallmouth fly-fishing? Smallmouth just ain’t all that common once you get out of that neck of the woods. tgb

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Sorry if this topic has been covered before…     It is time for me to start thinking about freshening up my gear for the spring season.  I will need new lines on both my 6wt and 5wt rods.  For the 5wt. I will need a DT and a WF.  For the 6 wt I will need a WF and a sinking tip WF. In your collective experience what is the best line available in these weights?  Consider all-around fishing for both trout and warm-water species. TIA Joe

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sorry if this topic has been covered before…    It is time for me to start thinking about freshening up my gear for = the spring season.  I will need new lines on both my 6wt and 5wt rods.  = For the 5wt. I will need a DT and a WF.  For the 6 wt I will need a WF = and a sinking tip WF. In your collective experience what is the best line available in these = weights?  Consider all-around fishing for both trout and warm-water = species. TIA Joe

Hi All, (#5 rod) I like double tapers for #3, 4 or 5 weight rods for stream fishing. They will usually have a shorter front taper that is better for short work and that will allow more belly out on short cast to load up the rod. On real short casts, a short rod, short front taper and short leader will allow you to have out way more belly to load up the rod. I think any of the top SA or Cortland lines are good. (#6 rod) I would get an SA Mastery Distance, Cortland 444Lazer or Cortland 444SL line in a weight forward #6 floater for that size rod. The best casting sink tips are the new SA Mastery Wet Tips. They have done something to the blending of the floating and sinking materials to eliminate the hinging effect. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, (#5 rod) I like double tapers for #3, 4 or 5 weight rods for stream fishing. They will usually have a shorter front taper that is better for short work and that will allow more belly out on short cast to load up the rod. On real short casts, a short rod, short front taper and short leader will allow you to have out way more belly to load up the rod. I think any of the top SA or Cortland lines are good. (#6 rod) I would get an SA Mastery Distance, Cortland 444Lazer or Cortland 444SL line in a weight forward #6 floater for that size rod. The best casting sink tips are the new SA Mastery Wet Tips. They have done something to the blending of the floating and sinking materials to eliminate the hinging effect. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

Bill Can you give us a bit more detail about those Wet Tips.  I should be using a sink tip for fishing speys to steelies but I hate casting the things.  I once klunked myself on the head casting a big saltwater fly on a 9 weight, for pike.  Sorta lost my enthusiasim for sink tips afterward.  Even when I mastered casting it, it was still too much like work.  Do the Wet Tips cast half-decently? Peter Peter        Merry Christmas

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Hi! I would not look too far at the LL line unless you are fairly proficient at casting slower rods.  I am a modestly skilled fly caster and find that the Sage LL rods impart line bounce unless I’m casting very short or with excellent timing.  Which is not usually the case for me.  A better compromise would be a Powell or the newer, faster Orvis rods.  The faster Sage rods tend to be too fast/stiff.  My opinion, of course. The best way I’ve found to judge the fishability of a rod in one of those stupid parking lot try-outs is to shop for rods on windy days.  Try making casts at your own fishing distance limits.  Also, try short casts at a specific target.  Then make mistakes purposely in timing and line control to see if the rod lets you still make a reasonable cast. If you do these things, you’ll probably buy a Fenwick HMG.  With the money you save, you can buy a jewel of a reel.  Or another rod. Good Luck! Mike Tuomey

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Mike, I guess you are not very surprised to find somebody to dissagree on that matter. The SAGE 389-3LL is probably my most used rod and it makes wonderful, precise and easy casting, independent if I have to cast only the leader up to a full line length. Performance of this rod for dry fly fishing and light nymphing is unbeatable and you will find yourself able to fish a #28 midge on 8x tippet as well as a size 8 Wooly Bugger over the whole distance range. Bring this rod to your favourite spring creek where you need very precise and sometimes long casts and you already won half of the game. In my hand this rod has even proven itself under very windy days (e.g. at Slough Creek) where it’s butt strength comes in very handy. Tight lines Thomas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi! I would not look too far at the LL line unless you are fairly proficient at casting slower rods.  I am a modestly skilled fly caster and find that the Sage LL rods impart line bounce unless I’m casting very short or with excellent timing.  Which is not usually the case for me.  A better compromise would be a Powell or the newer, faster Orvis rods.  The faster Sage rods tend to be too fast/stiff.  My opinion, of course. The best way I’ve found to judge the fishability of a rod in one of those stupid parking lot try-outs is to shop for rods on windy days.  Try making casts at your own fishing distance limits.  Also, try short casts at a specific target.  Then make mistakes purposely in timing and line control to see if the rod lets you still make a reasonable cast. If you do these things, you’ll probably buy a Fenwick HMG.  With the money you save, you can buy a jewel of a reel.  Or another rod. Good Luck! Mike Tuomey

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Lost set up, hard drive kaput. need name of the usenet fly tying group. Any help appreciated. —  *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *       *  *  Skip Summer             From somewhere in the Huron River, *  *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *     *       *

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Lost set up, hard drive kaput. need name of the usenet fly tying group. Any help appreciated.

rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying — Charlie…

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In about a month, five of us will be leaving Kennedy Meadows to make the loop a little beyond Emmigrant lake, around Twin Lakes, and back, for a week’s trip. Anybody made the loop, or packed in the area? Any suggestions as to route, specific lakes to hit, for no crowds, and fair fishing? Thanks in advance.

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In about a month, five of us will be leaving Kennedy Meadows to make the loop a little beyond Emmigrant lake, around Twin Lakes, and back, for a week’s trip. Anybody made the loop, or packed in the area? Any suggestions as to route, specific lakes to hit, for no crowds, and fair fishing? Thanks in advance.

  I backpack in the Emigrant Wilderness often but I have’t done the emigrant loop yet.  Like anywhere else the deeper you hike the fewer the people.  You will probablly still see horse packers around.  The fishing should be great. I’ve fished in the easily reached lakes before and had no problem catching trout on a fly and have heard the fishing is better the deeper you go. Crawdad

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I will be in the Fort Meyers and Naples area in June. Any suggestions as to guides that have experience and interest in fly fishing. Also any areas that I could try without a guide and suggested flies. Thanks-Alex

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Doug Swisher and Capt Bob Marvin run a saltwater flyfishing school and also guide out of Naples.  I’ve fished with both and they are super to spend a day on the water with. Doug goes back to trout in the summer months, but Capt Bob fishes there all year. call Naples information for Doug Swisher or bob Marvin.   you’ll have a ball. Reed

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