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Is there any good website outhere about fly tyiing? I’m not talking fly pattern only (altough that might also interest me!) but a website with a lot of info on how to do it right? Thanks for your always very helpful answer guys! Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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There’s three more than a zillion to be found…….john

Is there any good website outhere about fly tyiing? I’m not talking fly pattern only (altough that might also interest me!) but a website with a lot of info on how to do it right? Thanks for your always very helpful answer guys! Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Is there any good website outhere about fly tyiing? I’m not talking fly pattern only (altough that might also interest me!) but a website with a lot of info on how to do it right?

 Robert,    try <http://www.mwflytying.com/patterns/fly_patterns_page.html        Its a real nice site out of the US Midwest but has patterns and tips that are pretty global.  I go there often.  I’m currently tying up a bunch of the hellgrammite flies for "Rappin’ on the Rappahanock." Its an awesome pattern and easy to tie.  The tip on tying in the rubber legs is great.         Cheers,               Frank Reid Before you buy.

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www.troutflies.com www.flyanglersonline.com www.virtualflybox.com www.killroys.com

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If GOD had an airplane, it would be a C180 or C185

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Any C-180 or Maule owners out there? I’d like to buy a taildragger to put on floats during the summer for hunting/fishing/camping, and fly to more sedate destinations in the winter, such as Baja California.  I’d like to carry another passenger, camping gear, plenty of fuel, and some big game such as a caribou. Tentatively, I suspect the C-180 is the way to go, but I could go with a newer Maule by sacrificing a little performance. Any thoughts?

I’d go for the Maule every time.  It’s a solid aircraft that will go a long way towards real STOL than any Cessna.  You’d be amazed what you can do with them.  Cessna was never designed as a bush plane. —                            Nunavut, Canada

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Cessna was never designed as a bush plane. —                            Nunavut, Canada

So, what do you think fellow NG’rs? Too much time in the Bush for Mr.(?) Durey, or not enough? Jack —         :    :<home.earthlink.net/~baron58:                             :

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This is an old argument and should bring out the ‘bush rats’! Just compare the sqft of the wings, that has the biggest effect on load and stall speed.  Here the Cessna wins, hands down.  The Cessna will lift more weight off in a shorter distance. Known ‘bugs’ in the Cessna:     loss of roll control in X wind with full flaps     lack of dampening in spring steel gear     weak gear boxes on really ruff strips     expensive     hard to find a really clean one, lots of really used ones out there The Maule’s STOL reputation is based on performance at less than gross weights and lots of power.  Remember it started out as an adaptation of a short wing Piper.  You can fly anything with lots of power but if at gross weight plane C flys at 45 mph and plane M flys at 50 which plane need more water/dirt?  Power just gets you to the end of the water/dirt quicker! Ross – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any C-180 or Maule owners out there? I’d like to buy a taildragger to put on floats during the summer for hunting/fishing/camping, and fly to more sedate destinations in the winter, such as Baja California.  I’d like to carry another passenger, camping gear, plenty of fuel, and some big game such as a caribou. Tentatively, I suspect the C-180 is the way to go, but I could go with a newer Maule by sacrificing a little performance. Any thoughts?

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What’s a NGer?  New Guy?  That’s what we used to call a "Nugga" or "Nug" for short, back in the bad ol’ days. I think you’re forgetting airfoil.  The short fat Maule wing will fly at an alarming angle of attack.  It’s a great STOL machine, if you know how to push the envelope.  Cessna’s are too fragile to accept much pushing–I’ve seen too many wrinkled empennages and cracked fin brackets.  You drag the Maule in with power, flare with power, and stomp on the binders.  400 feet is typical for me with no wind. There’s also lots of Maules out there that have never been beat to death commercially.  There’s lots with a thousand hours or less on them total time.  They’re also half the price of a Cessna 180. Sure, it’s got a big engine, but ya gotta give Maule credit. They’ve also developed the only readily-available off-the-floor factory single-engine turbine certified for the GA market.  My 0-540 has lots of jam, but the Allison 250 C20B is twice the horsepower with half the weight.  It’s a stunning ride. What’s the power-to-weight ratio for the 180? We looked at the Helio and Wilga for here, but opted for the Maule as a simple platform, easy to work on, and easy to find and buy. Never considered the Cessna. —                            Nunavut, Canada

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…400 feet is typical for me with no wind. Sure, it’s got a big engine, but ya gotta give Maule credit. They’ve also developed the only readily-available off-the-floor factory single-engine turbine certified for the GA market.  My 0-540 has lots of jam, but the Allison 250 C20B is twice the horsepower with half the weight.  It’s a stunning ride.

Here’s a question that hasn’t been introduced to this discussion yet.  What kind of insurance do you carry on your Maule, and what’s the cost.  I’ve heard that Maule insurance is quite expensive, but I have no hard data to support this claim.  I’d like to hear the story from Maule owners. I have a 1955 Cessna 180 which I have insured for $60,000 hull and a million smooth liability, and it costs me about $1400 a year.  How does that compare with a Maule? What’s the power-to-weight ratio for the 180?

Mine is 11.33 pounds per horsepower at legal gross.  However, this figure will vary a little depending on year of manufacture, as all 180s after ‘55 had 230 HP instead of 225 like mine, and the gross weight went up a couple of times as the years went on.  The last ones had a P/W ratio of 12.17 lb/hp. Joe Norris

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I’d like to hear the story from Maule owners. I have a 1955 Cessna 180 which I have insured for $60,000 hull and a million smooth liability, and it costs me about $1400 a year.  How does that compare with a Maule?

On my 1991 Maule M-6 I have $90,000 hull and $1M/$100k liability and this year’s bill was about $1600.  Surprisingly, the rate got much better this year after AOPA Insurance and Aon merged.  I was with Aon before.                                                                 Dave

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If wing area is the reason (as stated in prior post) the Maule is inferior to the Cessna pls note that Maule has used at least three different size wings. The old Maule M-5 did have a smallish wing area (160ish sq ft.) and the plane did depend on the engine for much of its STOL performance.  There are however, two other wings offered on the M-6 and M-7 airplanes that had more wing area. The latest version of Maule has an intermediate size wing with nearly 170sq ft. In any event, it you don’t think the Maule has a large enough wing try one of their other models.

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Before you buy a C-180, or a Maule, look closely at the Helio Super Courier.  It has several features that, I think, makes it a better bush plane.  The main gear is set farther forward making it almost impossible to nose over on landing.  It has a very strong steel tube cage for the cabin which helps to protect the pilot and passengers in a crash.  Some have four tanks carring 120 gallons of gas.  I think all Helios left the factory with float fittings installed.  Most importantly, the Helio was designed from the start to go very slow under full control.  Did you know that the Helio will not stall?  In my opinion, if you can afford to own and fly one, you will have the best horizontally opposed piston engined bush plane ever produced.  There is also a turbine powered version.               Larry

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We looked at a Helio H250 after a search of several months.  All of them had 7,000 to 8,000 hours on them and had seen commercial service (read: beat to death).  An H295 that Bathurst Arctic operated out of Yellowknife on floats turned out to be a real dog. The geared engine is only good for 1200 TBO.  There’s also a lot of maintenance involved in the stabilator.  Otherwise, they’re great. I’ve seen them in the fly-by at Oshkosh literally "walking" down the runway, unbelievably slow.  Up here, with the sand and wind, we couldn’t see the leading-edge slats and Fowler flaps holding up. We regularly get 50-knot winds across the parking ramp. My insurance on the Maule is CAN$1900 hull and liability for a ‘78 M-5 worth about CAN$70,000.  With today’s drop in the Canadian dollar, that’s about US$1197.  ’Course, we don’t litigate up here at the drop of a hat for a hangnail, either, which keeps the liability costs down. —                            Nunavut, Canada

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Any C-180 or Maule owners out there? I’d like to buy a taildragger to put on floats during the summer for hunting/fishing/camping, and fly to more sedate destinations in the winter, such as Baja California.  I’d like to carry another passenger, camping gear, plenty of fuel, and some big game such as a caribou. Tentatively, I suspect the C-180 is the way to go, but I could go with a newer Maule by sacrificing a little performance. Any thoughts?

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    Lately I have been having the worst kind of luck.. the kind only a newbie can have I have attended some fly courses and been watching the videos and the river where I live (calgary and the bow river) I have meandered the river watching the hatches and notching the pools and riffles along the river but only sporadic luck so far..perhaps the ones I catch are mentally challenged?? I know that I am matching the hatches and when the water shows no surface action am trying nymphs that the local fly shop has on their board of recommendations…. any help would be appreciated from any seasoned fly folks..especially if you can pass on some advice on nymphing techniques.. I believe that i am doing something wrong but am not sure what thanks for the help .      Pierre

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Have only fished the lovely Bow wilth a guide. (Dave Campbell, does any bodu know whats happed to him?)  The Bow only becomes productive thru and below Calgary, after it develops a food chain.  Divide the larger water into many smaller waters visually and fish these smaller divisions as if they were small waters.  Also strongly consider, streamers there .  Especially large 4-6 black wooly buggers to see if you can move some fish.  Oldies have exactly the same fishing experience you do, they just lie about it. Schuhfly

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   Lately I have been having the worst kind of luck.. the kind only a newbie can have I have attended some fly courses and been watching the videos and the river where I live (calgary and the bow river) I have meandered the river watching the hatches and notching the pools and riffles along the river but only sporadic luck so far..perhaps the ones I catch are mentally challenged?? I know that I am matching the hatches and when the water shows no surface action am trying nymphs that the local fly shop has on their board of recommendations…. any help would be appreciated from any seasoned fly folks..especially if you can pass on some advice on nymphing techniques.. I believe that i am doing something wrong but am not sure what thanks for the help .     Pierre

Shoot Pierre…you’ve been occupying your time in and around flyfishing. This is not bad luck, this is exceptionally good luck.  Catching fish is such a small part of it….and it will come,  you’re just paying your dues… Bag the videos and courses though, IMO. — TimW – Halfordian Golfer Guilt replaced the creel…

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I use a wheelchair and though I would be transferring from my chair into the boat. Any advice or recommendations of where to look would be greatly appreciated. I am a complete novice as far as boats are concerned and all information on things that I should consider will be gratefully received.

There is a printed magazine called "Sports n’ Spokes printed by PVA Publications (paralized vets) that covers outdoors and athletic activities for the wheelchair world.  I haven’t seen a copy in a couple years (used to be very good.) Can reach PVA pubs at 602-224-0500 They probably have some past issues with boating articles, plus they have a questions area. Gary Polson RBBI http://www.virtualpet.com/rbbi

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I would like some advice on what might be an appropriate style/make/model of small boat for use when either trolling or fly fishing on lakes. In the past I have used a converted 10 foot Portaboat with the center bench removed and a padded seat suspended between the front and back benches. A seat clamped onto a middle bench perched me too high and was not sufficiently stable for my comfort, which is why a three bench aluminum rowboat is probably not what I am seeking. I use a wheelchair and though I would be transferring from my chair into the boat, it must be something that allows be ready access from sitting on a dock to sliding into the boat. Climbing is not an option. My ideal boat would allow a small outboard motor and an electric trolling motor and have seating that allowed two people to sit comfortably and fish while at anchor. It should be light enough that one person could retrieve it and load it onto a trailer without any heavy lifting. I want something that is stable. Speed is not a consideration – just something to poodle about a calm lake. Any advice or recommendations of where to look would be greatly appreciated. I am a complete novice as far as boats are concerned and all information on things that I should consider will be gratefully received. Thanks, —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like some advice on what might be an appropriate style/make/model of small boat for use when either trolling or fly fishing on lakes. In the past I have used a converted 10 foot Portaboat with the center bench removed and a padded seat suspended between the front and back benches. A seat clamped onto a middle bench perched me too high and was not sufficiently stable for my comfort, which is why a three bench aluminum rowboat is probably not what I am seeking. I use a wheelchair and though I would be transferring from my chair into the boat, it must be something that allows be ready access from sitting on a dock to sliding into the boat. Climbing is not an option. My ideal boat would allow a small outboard motor and an electric trolling motor and have seating that allowed two people to sit comfortably and fish while at anchor. It should be light enough that one person could retrieve it and load it onto a trailer without any heavy lifting. I want something that is stable. Speed is not a consideration – just something to poodle about a calm lake. Any advice or recommendations of where to look would be greatly appreciated. I am a complete novice as far as boats are concerned and all information on things that I should consider will be gratefully received. Thanks, —

You do not list where you want to fish and what tpe of lake you are fishing so this may or may not be appropriate. I would look at a tri hull you should be able to pick up a used tri hull posibly arround 18-20 feet which if very stable for a couple thousand I would think.My father in law had one for years and it was nice boat. Another option would be a pontoon boat but I am not sure how easy that would be to trailor and how rough of water it would take. If you are fishing a larg lake like lake Erie I suggest you charter of go with a friend because a boat that can handle sudden storms typically has a lot of overhead like dockage and insurance etc. I think dockage arround here runs from about $700-1800 dollars another option which I recomend is use transient dockage. If you have a decent size boat you can put it in lake Erie at a Marina like Genva Stae park for about $22 per day so if you reserved a slip for Saturday you could come up fish Saturday and leave your boat in the wtaer after fishing and come back and go boating in the afternoon and evening and then then next morning you are already in he water so you can go out again and then at the end of the day take your boat home. If you sleep on the baot your showers etc are included in the price. If you come for 10 weekedns the cost is arround $220 and that is a beteer part of the summer.A caomparable dock is $1080 for a season so this is an alternative. Yo obviously would not be retricted to weekends only but you see the savings is there. I hope this helps Captain Bryce Seymour http://www.ncweb.com:80/biz/hooker/

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Hi Group I realize the last Wednesday Chat had some problems. With help from this newsgroup (Joe Byrd) the folks at Fly Fish America have fixed-up their chat place with a thing called "Java" or something like that – I’m not as computer literate as I should be but struggling. So —— Let’s try another chat session on Wednesday evening at 6:00pm MST at http://www.FlyFishAmerica.com?  then click on the "Chat icon-bar." I hope to see my "on-line" friends there. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Hi Group I realize the last Wednesday Chat had some problems. With help from this newsgroup (Joe Byrd) the folks at Fly Fish America have fixed-up their chat place with a thing called "Java" or something like that – I’m not as computer literate as I should be but struggling. So —— Let’s try another chat session on Wednesday evening at 6:00pm MST at http://www.FlyFishAmerica.com?  then click on the "Chat icon-bar." I Sorry, I made a mistake on the address, here it is

http://www.FlyFishAmerica.com/ — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I’ll be there!!!! Joe

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Group I realize the last Wednesday Chat had some problems. With help from this newsgroup (Joe Byrd) the folks at Fly Fish America have fixed-up their chat place with a thing called "Java" or something like that – I’m not as computer literate as I should be but struggling. So —— Let’s try another chat session on Wednesday evening at 6:00pm MST at http://www.FlyFishAmerica.com?  then click on the "Chat icon-bar." I Sorry, I made a mistake on the address, here it is http://www.FlyFishAmerica.com/ — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

Al, Here is the deal,  Tell me what 0600 MST is in relation to GMT, and I promise not to tell you what java is. Cheers Bruce….

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Well, I can’t answer a lot of questions, but the difference between GMT and MST is 7 hours – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I realize the last Wednesday Chat had some problems. With help from this newsgroup (Joe Byrd) the folks at Fly Fish America have fixed-up their Here is the deal,  Tell me what 0600 MST is in relation to GMT, and I Bruce….

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Hello all… Sorry for the troubles we had before but they are now behind us. I re-wrote the FlyFishAmerica.com chat area, it has been fixed, it supports a lot more users and is wicked fast. It does not require any downloading or special software and is based on SERVERside Java which does not even require a Java enabled browser. Bob Stewart http://www.flyfishamerica.com/chat/chat.html

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott 5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of

rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

Ross, The dealer probably said "Teton". John Johnson Lilburn,GA

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You probably mean Teton!  I have seen that one reccomended here before.   A small Lamson or STH would also be good. -Burton On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Ross Laurie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott  5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott 5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

Hey Ross, This is just my 2 cents, but unless you are fishing for Salmon, Steelhead or any of the big saltwater species known for long runs, a reel is just a device to hold your line. Don’t waste your $$$ on an expensive reel to fish for trout. YMMV, Tom

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott 5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

 Hello Ross, I believe the reel he is speaking of is a Teton.  They make a nice reel.  Although, if you are looking for a real clean setup I would look no further than the new Ross Colorado.  The size you want is about $100 and the spools are about $50.  This reel only has a pawl to keep it from free spooling.  No Drag!  But really, is a drag that important on anything under a 6-7 weight rod.  I like the exposed rim. If you feel that you need a drag, maybe the cimmaron by ross would be a good bet.  It is lighter than the Teton. Enjoy Life, Paul Johnson,

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I would go with the Ross reels. Either the Cimarron ($170) or the Gunnison ($210). The gunnison has a great disc drag. Very good reels, beautiful finish and they are light. I would go with the extra $10. Otherwise, the Cimarron is great. No disc drag, otherwise, just as good and pretty. kmustad – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott  5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott  5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

It getting to be a real bitc… when $200 is a mid priced reel.  The good news is IMHO, that it tough to beat the Cortland LTD’s, which you can have for around $100, and xtra spools for under $40.  Fine disc drags, easy to clean, graphite construction. made in UK (sorry George) USA made look to Tetons, and Lamsons.  There are undoubtedly others but these I own and use. jg

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It getting to be a real bitc… when $200 is a mid priced reel.  

Can you believe it? The good news is IMHO, that it tough to beat the Cortland LTD’s,

They are a good reel. I use the size 80 for my DT5F and WF6F lines and it works just fine. Not as smooth as others, but it’s always been reliable for me. Room for 100 yards of 20lb backing (give or take). Mine is 5(?) years old and has seen lots of streamside rocks and boat bottoms and is still kicking. I’ve never been particularly careful with that reel and it’s never given me a problem. I sort of like the fact that I can bang it around a bit and not fret and fuss. If I had one of the Abel reels with the "Coral" finish, I think I’d be afraid to bring it outside. look to Tetons, and Lamsons.

I would also look at the Orvis Battenkill. I know some on the group tend to quiver at the O-word, but I do very much like their reels. If I had the cash, you can bet I’d have a CFO on my trout sticks. My Battenkill 8/9 Disc has served me well over the past few years since I bought it. The SA System 2L reels are nice and more trout sized than their bigger cousins. I like their smooth drag system (at least the few I’ve fondled in the shops). Bob Petti Endwell, NY

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After much debate, I finally went out and  purchased a new rod.  A Scott  5wt STS.  Why am I telling you all this?  Mostly because I need advice on which reel will be the best match for this rod.  Under $200.00.  The dealer I purchased the rod from has recomended a make I’ve never seem before T Tom (T Top?).  What do the sages (no pun inteneded) of rec.outdoors.fishing.fly have to suggest? Thank you in advance! Ross

I definitely don’t qualify as a sage (no pun inferred) but, I am ecstatic about an LL Bean Streamligh that I paid around $60.00 for.  It has a pawl drag without much oomph to it, but other than that, its extremely ligh weight and has a great feel to it.  On top of that, LL Bean has as good a return policy as you will ever find.  I am using a 4/5 on a 9 ft sage LL 4 wt.  Good Luck! Randy

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Howdy I’ll be moving to Sping Lake N.J. in mid Oct. from southern Alberta where I’ve become quite fond of spectacular fishing. Anyone have a suggestion of where i can continue to get my fix? My e-mail is only go until Oct.7 Thank ya all, Cheers.

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As one resident said last year… the besst fly fishing in NJ is in PA and NY.  But Spring Lake in on the coast, and the other resident didn’t ply the salt.  Great runs of of blues are in the offing.  Check any of the local tackle shops.  Fresh water is mostly up north and west.  Shad and stripers run the Delaware regularly.  Trout are mostly stocked, so listen to the original advise and head to PA and the NY Catskills.  There is a NJ fishing home page, and if you can scroll back into this groups archives it’ll be listed . good luck from Long Island jg

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A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post                                     Harlem angler snags body    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. Tight Lines Bob Hill

Since 1990, two bodies have been found on the Roaring Fork, foul play invovled in both incidents. So, when I’m fishing for whities in one of the Fork’s deeeper holes and smell something rotting near the heap of driftwood at the back of the pool, I just call it an unfortunate beaver and head for the next hole. Mitch

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A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post                                     Harlem angler snags body    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. Tight Lines Bob Hill

damned, I wish you would stick to the important issues or point. George Gehrke/Mr. Gink

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Fereira) writes: attempted to gut and butcher her catch at streamside, a clear violation of urban fishing etiquette.  Let this be an example to all you potential poachers, jack-lighters and trespass fishermen in NYC.  There is zero tolerance for straying off the straight and narrow path here. It was yet another example of mutilation due to the result of C&R.

I’ve been told it’s bad form to gut and butcher prior to a release.             Jim

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Was she using a wet or a dry, and what pattern? Lolo Mt. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post                                     Harlem angler snags body    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. Tight Lines Bob Hill

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A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post                                     Harlem angler snags body    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. Tight Lines Bob Hill

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A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post                                     Harlem angler snags body    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. Tight Lines Bob Hill

The body was determined to be a female and so the angler was immediately arrested as she was not in possession of a valid doe permit and she attempted to gut and butcher her catch at streamside, a clear violation of urban fishing etiquette.  Let this be an example to all you potential poachers, jack-lighters and trespass fishermen in NYC.  There is zero tolerance for straying off the straight and narrow path here. Stan

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: A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post :                                     Harlem angler snags body :    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed : body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. : near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police : said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. : It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. *(sigh)*  It has become an almost regular thing here in Ohio for a fisherman to discover a body. :-O Jon Porter

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What kind of fly was she using? mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post                                     Harlem angler snags body    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. Tight Lines Bob Hill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A Monday, Sept. 30, 1996 article from The New York Post                                     Harlem angler snags body    A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River snagged a badly decomposed body last night.  The woman was fishing at the water’s edge at E. 135th St. near Metro-North railroad bridge in Manhattan at about 7:15 p.m.  Police said the body was so badly decomposed that its sex couldn’t be determined. It was taken to the medical examiner’s office for an autopsy. Tight Lines Bob Hill The body was determined to be a female and so the angler was immediately arrested as she was not in possession of a valid doe permit and she attempted to gut and butcher her catch at streamside, a clear violation of urban fishing etiquette.  Let this be an example to all you potential poachers, jack-lighters and trespass fishermen in NYC.  There is zero tolerance for straying off the straight and narrow path here.

It was yet another example of mutilation due to the result of C&R. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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   A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River…

Pshew…and I complain about fishing with the crowds on the pan… Perspective, man. TimW

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   A homeless woman fishing in the Harlem River …

God this image is haunting me. This woman is an angler, my friends.  Better than the lot of us lashed together.  Let’s get together and buy her a bus ticket to Ennis or something, Jesus. TimW

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: This woman is an angler, my friends.  Better than the lot of us : lashed together.  Let’s get together and buy her a bus ticket to : Ennis or something, Jesus. Vail.  I hear she can catch big ones right in the middle of town. — Rick "still punchin’" Fletcher T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have used a fiberglass drift boat (16ft) for several years now on the Deschutes, upto class 4 whitewater.  Great boat.  If you plan on hitting a few rocks wood is not a good choice.  lots of maintenance-drying out, snding, refinishing 9but they are beautiful.  Company in Portland that sells plans and kits (Greg tatman- adds in flyfishing magazines).  The bow or stern depends on definition-  pointed part goes downriver but you row the other way-  anchor system goes on the broad end, but if lake fishing you need one on the pointed end as the boat will spin very easily in any wind.  Most driftboats will also take up to 10 hp motor.  I have 36lb thrust elecric for my and moves boat very well.  Aluminum is very durable but also noisy.  Definitely a 16ft for three people.  Enjoy

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Hi, My name is Al Beatty and I’m one of a few guides who use a wood drift boat.  You definitely want a 16′ boat for three people; a 14′ boat is too "squirrely" especially in the wind.  I guide in Montana and wind is a definite concern regarding drift boats.  Don Hill makes a really great wood drift boat and also has plans if you want to build your own.  You can find his address in most fly fishing magazines or ask your local fly shop. Normally you run a drift boat down the river bow first and usually the anchor is located on the stern of the boat. Good luck! Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog Available 406-585-0745 (phn & fax)

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Either the Macenzie design(square front) or the Rogue is quite acceptable. Yes the wood  boats are more maintenance but also offer the greatest pleasure.Ever seen photographs of finished wood boats on the river? Compared to plastic or Aluminun there is no comparison.Also a wood boat,contrary to most opinions, is an easier rowing boat; wood boats float upside down!They also don’t blow around in the wind as bad as glass boats,especially the glass boats with rolled gunnels. One downside to a wood boat is lack of watertight storage but that is overcome with dry bags. www:http://www.accessone.com/~davy

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Agree with you comments.  Built a 17′ Rogue River and it has been a jewel to fish from.  Had a fiberglass one previouly.  The wood, drift easier, is easier to handle in big water, is not affected by the wind very much and tracks perfectly.  It is muck quieter and a lot warmer then the fiberglass and metal.  Floated the Keani this week.  Air tempeture was 20 degrees but yet the bottom of the boat was comfortable. — Gene Dobrzynski, Eagle River, Alaska

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 One of the things you forgot to mention was weight. Aluminum being the lightest, then fiberglass and wood. Ernie Harrison

Hmmmm. I’ll agree that aluminum boats are the sturdiest…hands down. But lightest? Not the ones I’ve seen. I remember guiding with Doug McClelland (former TU president, or some such) a few years ago. Doug’s Aumaweld was so heavy I nearly busted a gut trying to help him get it off the trailer. I wonder if anyone has the real weights: say what a 16 Lavro, ClackaCraft or SlideRite weighs compared to an Alumaweld, Willie’s or whatever.   One last point about Aluminum boats: steelhead guides who backtroll plugs like the sharp, molded chine of an aluminum boat, becuase it acts like a keel, and makes it easier to hold a "track" down through a good run. But every silver lining has its pepto bismol counter part…..that sharp, hard chine catches the water too hard when you are rowing sideways to a fast current. Try pulling out into a fast current after eddying out behind a mid-river bolder (with an aluminum driftboat)…..then you’ll get an appreciation for a smooth, rounded chine (like you get in a molded boat).   If you do decide to buy a molded boat, get the stiffest one you can find. Soft bottoms and flexible sides just create lost motion in the rowing process, which makes ’soft’ boats harder to row, and slower to move. —

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I am not sure that Irish and Scots Gillies would agree with your sentiments about glass fibre boats.  Their experience, and I lived to tell the tale, is that properly built wooden boats will take more punishment than GRP – especially when rocks are invisible just below the surface and you only find out they are there too late.  GRP is so easy to look after, which is why that is my choice on Loch Ness (no rocks!) Good fishing Oliver Inverness-shire

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Mike, it is unfortunate that a person can’t get all of the good features in one boat.  One of the things you forgot to mention was weight. Aluminum being the lightest, then fiberglass and wood. There was an article several years ago in Flyfishing about a fellow who recovered drift boats that people lost on Oregon’s salmon and steelhead rivers.  It was amazing what the water had done to these boats.  The fiberglass and wood boats were mostly damaged beyond repair.  The welded aluminum boats were generally all recoverable. Ernie Harrison

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I’m considering building a MacKenzie River drift boat, for use both on local rivers and smaller lakes.  This design is alleged to be quite adequate for drifting and much better for motoring than the Rogue River style drift boat. Does anyone have experience drift-fishing with this type of boat?  Do you drift with bow or stern downstream?  I assume you anchor bow-upstream…but can you mount an anchor bracket on the bow?  For three people, is a 14′ OK or should I go 16′?  Any experience or observations on this type of boat are welcome. Thanks.

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I used a wood drift for several years in Oregon on the coast streams.  A lot of maintenance, thats for sure. But its the best flyfishing platform I’ve ever used. The fiberglass boats seemed to float higher, draw less water, and be more durable.

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"There is an aluminum welded drift boat (Alumnaweld?) which is probably the most durable of all the drift boats and very low maintenance.. Ernie Harrison" Ernie, Alumaweld, the original welded aluminum driftboat.  For more contemporary designs in aluminum, see FishRite and/or Willie Boats. IMHO, Aluminum….noisy, durable, cold, NOT slippery unless bottom is treatet with Gluvit or plastic.  Capable of being made with a hard chine so hold well n water for backtrolling etc. Fiberglass…durable, quieter than aluminum, slippery, flexible rather than a rigid bottom like aluminum, rounded or soft chines. Wood…quietest and warmest, hard chines, classic craftmanship (Rays River Boats of Portland Oregon are some of the best), may be constructed with West System Epoxy techniques to reduce maintenance requirements.  Also, the only naturally buoyant construction material and the lowest center of gravity.                           Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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writes: The fiberglass boats seemed to float higher, draw less water, and be more durable.

There is an aluminum welded drift boat (Alumnaweld?) which is probably the most durable of all the drift boats and very low maintenance.. Ernie Harrison

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I have used a fiberglass drift boat (16ft) for several years now on the Deschutes, upto class 4 whitewater.  Great boat.  If you plan on hitting a few rocks wood is not a good choice.  lots of maintenance-drying out, snding, refinishing 9but they are beautiful.  Company in Portland that sells plans and kits (Greg tatman- adds in flyfishing magazines).  The bow or stern depends on definition-  pointed part goes downriver but you row the other way-  anchor system goes on the broad end, but if lake fishing you need one on the pointed end as the boat will spin very easily in any wind.  Most driftboats will also take up to 10 hp motor.  I have 36lb thrust elecric for my and moves boat very well.  Aluminum is very durable but also noisy.  Definitely a 16ft for three people.  Enjoy

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: I was fishing Lochsa the other day.  I just got to a new spot and was : getting ready to cast when I noticed one of those big brown-grey October : Caddis land on the surface of the water.  It flopped its wings a bit but : was pretty much stuck.  As it was about right in front of me a huge : cutthroat emerged from the green depth, there was a splash, and it looked : like the poor fly was a meal.  But it wasn’t.  The cutthroat disappeared : and the caddis flowed intact flopping its wings desperately. [snip] : I stood there motionless for a few moments waiting to make sure the show was : over.  Then I started stripping some line off of the reel.  As I was ready to : cast a thought occured to me that he was checking whether the fly was real. You play the fish…the fish plays the fly.  We all crave entertainment. (My guess is that the cutt forgot to *suck*.  I  guess we will have to change the thread title to "Some Cutts really do *suck*".) Next time Ande… please just say "I was on a river the other day".   Please, no names.<g — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wooley) writes: I was fishing Lochsa the other day.  I just got to a new spot and was getting ready to cast when I noticed one of those big brown-grey October Caddis land on the surface of the water.  It flopped its wings a bit but was pretty much stuck.  As it was about right in front of me a huge cutthroat emerged from the green depth, there was a splash, and it looked like the poor fly was a meal.  But it wasn’t.  The cutthroat disappeared and the caddis flowed intact flopping its wings desperately. After a couple more seconds, the cutthroat reappeared and struck, again without taking the fly.  I paused curious if he was going to leave the caddis alone.  A few seconds passed and the cutthroat emerged,  again made a splash and didn’t get it either.  Then, almost immediately, he struck the final time and the fly was gone.  The cutthroat vanished.   I stood there motionless for a few moments waiting to make sure the show was over.  Then I started stripping some line off of the reel.  As I was ready to cast a thought occured to me that he was checking whether the fly was real. -Ande Rychter Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat? We’re talking about a fish here man…with a brain the size of a "green pea!" Not even a  _brain surgeon_  checks his food three times before he eats it (and more often, his food is not trying to escape.) O.K.!  Maybe the ones with brains the size of a "green pea" do… cw — Indocti discant et ament meminisse periti

Well gee, Not sure about this one. I’ve seen trout act that way too, and maybe I’m just fooling myself, but it seems as though I’ve seen it more in hard fished streams. Don’t think it’s intelligence, but maybe natural selection?   Fish adept at getting the fly the first time are caught first? I know that I’ve seen it most where the fish have lots of time, in long slicks and such. And (come to think of it) the flys were always fairly close to ME, the evil fish catching monster.   Hmmmmmm. Something to ponder anyway. Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was fishing Lochsa the other day.  I just got to a new spot and was getting ready to cast when I noticed one of those big brown-grey October Caddis land on the surface of the water.  It flopped its wings a bit but was pretty much stuck.  As it was about right in front of me a huge cutthroat emerged from the green depth, there was a splash, and it looked like the poor fly was a meal.  But it wasn’t.  The cutthroat disappeared and the caddis flowed intact flopping its wings desperately. After a couple more seconds, the cutthroat reappeared and struck, again without taking the fly.  I paused curious if he was going to leave the caddis alone.  A few seconds passed and the cutthroat emerged,  again made a splash and didn’t get it either.  Then, almost immediately, he struck the final time and the fly was gone.  The cutthroat vanished.   I stood there motionless for a few moments waiting to make sure the show was over.  Then I started stripping some line off of the reel.  As I was ready to cast a thought occured to me that he was checking whether the fly was real. -Ande Rychter

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat? We’re talking about a fish here man…with a brain the size of a "green pea!" Not even a  _brain surgeon_  checks his food three times before he eats it (and more often, his food is not trying to escape.) O.K.!  Maybe the ones with brains the size of a "green pea" do… cw — Indocti discant et ament meminisse periti

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I was fishing Lochsa the other day.  I just got to a new spot and was getting ready to cast when I noticed one of those big brown-grey October Caddis land on the surface of the water.  It flopped its wings a bit but was pretty much stuck.  As it was about right in front of me a huge cutthroat emerged from the green depth, there was a splash, and it looked like the poor fly was a meal.  But it wasn’t.  The cutthroat disappeared and the caddis flowed intact flopping its wings desperately. After a couple more seconds, the cutthroat reappeared and struck, again without taking the fly.  I paused curious if he was going to leave the caddis alone.  A few seconds passed and the cutthroat emerged,  again made a splash and didn’t get it either.  Then, almost immediately, he struck the final time and the fly was gone.  The cutthroat vanished.   I stood there motionless for a few moments waiting to make sure the show was over.  Then I started stripping some line off of the reel.  As I was ready to cast a thought occured to me that he was checking whether the fly was real. -Ande Rychter

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