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I just got home after the clave…Debbie Ursenbach won a knot machine…
<snipped What is a knot machine? I love gadgets, in fact my kids call me…never mind what they call me… <)))’ <)))’ <)))’ <’(((< <)))’ <)))’
"Intolerance of ambiguity is the mark of an authoritarian personality."
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Ernie Harrison won a fly box & over 100 flies donated by Bruiser Vern
Hot damn, thank you Bruiser I can’t wait to see them. Vern, a check is in the mail for postage, thanks for your good work. Ernie
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I just got home after the clave…Debbie Ursenbach won a knot machine… <snipped What is a knot machine? I love gadgets, in fact my kids call me…never mind what they call me…
http://home.earthlink.net/~eharrison241/ — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."
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Hot damn, thank you Bruiser I can’t wait to see them. Vern, a check is in the mail for postage, thanks for your good work.
Now, no one said anything about being able to *see* them! Bruce ties a lot of those nice midge thingies. Actually when you get that many lined up you begin to see a pinkish hue against the white fly box background 
Regards, Jeff
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Hey Ernie, i was glad you won my flies, hope you like them. Bring them to the San Juan where you can use them. I’ll take you fishing and we can tie a few blood knots. I’m serious about the visit ernie, come on down and bring Darin, RW, Warren, Willi, Charlie, Bob, Dan’l, and all the other Roffers with you. I’ll buy the beer and tie the flies. On second thought, most of you will probably want to tie your own. There’s about 7 fly shops at the San Juan that need a new gadget in their inventory (I’m thinking blood knot machine). One more time, Warren, you ran a great clave. I came late, found great people to fish with every day, and had the time of my life. Can’t wait for Western Clave 2001. bruiser YES I CAN POST! YEE HA! THANKS CHARLIE FOR THE COMPUTER HELP! Before you buy.
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I’m serious about the visit ernie, come on down and bring Darin, RW, Warren, Willi, Charlie, Bob, Dan’l, and all the other Roffers with you. I’ll buy the beer <unimportant stuff snipped
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Bruce, I am certain I will love your flies. I have never fished the San Juan but if I ever get down that way I will let you know and you can show me the ropes. I used to wholesale the Blood Knot Machine several years ago to companies like Hook&Hackle, but just sell a few I have left on the Internet for my own entertainment now. Ernie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Ernie, Bring them to the San Juan where you can use them. I’ll take you fishing and we can tie a few blood knots. I’m serious about the visit ernie, come on down and bring Darin, RW, Warren, Willi, Charlie, Bob, Dan’l, and all the other Roffers with you. I’ll buy the beer and tie the flies. On second thought, most of you will probably want to tie your own. There’s about 7 fly shops at the San Juan that need a new gadget in their inventory (I’m thinking blood knot machine). One more time, Warren, you ran a great clave. I came late, found great people to fish with every day, and had the time of my life. Can’t wait for Western Clave 2001. bruiser
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I wanted to get on roff before doing anything else and post the results of the raffle. Bob Skinner won HoldZit Products donated by Pat R. Pat Reichner won a hat, fly box, flies, second fly box, & flies from the fly swap donated by Warren F.
Thanks Vern….I never made it to the clave or the raffle to pick up my prize. Please send it ASAP.<g Bob, it was nice of you to pass out your HoldZit products to the rest of the clave fishermen/ladies. I was hoping everyone got a sample. — Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.
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I just got home after the clave and after fishing Henry’s Fork, Buffalo River, and the Provo. Why should the fishing end with the clave? It didn’t for me. I wanted to get on roff before doing anything else and post the results of the raffle. I should say that I have not read anything on roff and have no idea if anyone else have made another similar post. More comments are to come after I clean out the car and get settled back into being home again. Mickey Agua won a quilt donated by Debbie U. Vernon Ursenbach won a bamboo fly-rod donated by Steve Z. Dan Finn won a fly rod donated by Mike C. & a rod tube donated by Tom B. Darin Minor won furled leaders donated by Michael E. & a ff book donated by Ken F. Brian D. Nelson won a knot tool & Simms thing donated by Frank C. & a bottle of wine donated by Dan F. Debbie Ursenbach won a knot machine & rod building info donated by Ernie H. Steve Zimmerman won 2 ff books donated by Kiyu Bob Skinner won HoldZit Products donated by Pat R. Michael Erana won a guided float trip for 2 donated by Brian N. (There are special conditions that apply.) Bruce Hopper aka Bruiser won a fly box & 4 dozen flies donated by William L. Pat Wilson won a fly box, flies, & complete pheasant hide donated by Bob S. Frank Church T-Shirt & Y2K clave photo donated by Wayne H. Tom Brown won a fly box & flies donated by Dale W. Stephen Barnard aka RW won 2 ff books donated by Kelly R. Pat Reichner won a hat, fly box, flies, second fly box, & flies from the fly swap donated by Warren F. Ernie Harrison won a fly box & over 100 flies donated by Bruiser Dave Snedeker won a Cortland Lazerline WF3F donated by Darin M. Kelly Roger won a bunch of show stuff from Las Vegas donated by Vernon U. William Loehman won a 8′ 2wt fly rod donated by Charles W. Dale Wilkionson won a C&R tool & lanyard donated by RW Warren Findley won a fly reel donated by Walt W. Charles Wilson won a Bastard fly rod donated by Mickey A. (George ?) — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders" quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.
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Bruce Hopper aka Bruiser won a fly box & 4 dozen flies donated by William L.
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I have figured out how to use fiberoptics to backlight a chest pack. It has no direct light to scare trout, used red light, and only needs a couple of AAA batteries.
Well done ! Do you all think that this is marketable? I could retrofit most chest packs for under $35, which is chump change to fly fishing (or so Orvis seems to think)….
Of course it’s marketable. I won’t buy one though. What fun would night fishing be if you had a reliable light ? TimW
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have figured out how to use fiberoptics to backlight a chest pack. It has no direct light to scare trout, used red light, and only needs a couple of AAA batteries. Do you all think that this is marketable? I could retrofit most chest packs for under $35, which is chump change to fly fishing (or so Orvis seems to think)…. No, it’s too cheap and inconspicuous. What’s the fun of buying flyfishing stuff if every yahoo can afford it and no one can see it? I’d rather ostentatiously pull the Honda generator out of my Orvis Jeep Cherokee, crank her up so that all can hear me and run the power out to me while I’m in the stream. That way I can use a halogen lamp to read the faxes coming in from my broker in Japan over my handheld cellular fax machine. Plus, without a direct light, who’ll be able to see me? And even if they could, won’t a red light throw off my color coordinated vest and hat? Sounds like a bad idea to me. Musconet
Great stuff, I love off-season :-
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Does anyone have any experiance with them? I am in the process of building a Thomas and Thomas 8wt 3 piece and I was thinking about what guides to use. You say T&T doesnt make those blanks? Yeah I know, but a buddy of mine pulled a few strings and it is going to be a special item. Anyway, I need some advice on the Titanium Nitride guides, are they worth the money? Are the a pain in the ass the put on? Any problems? Thanks….. -Mike
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Does anyone have any experiance with them? I am in the process of building a Thomas and Thomas 8wt 3 piece and I was thinking about what guides to use. You say T&T doesnt make those blanks? Yeah I know, but a buddy of mine pulled a few strings and it is going to be a special item. Anyway, I need some advice on the Titanium Nitride guides, are they worth the money? Are the a pain in the ass the put on? Any problems? Thanks….. -Mike
I put a set of PacBay TN guides on an 8 weight I built on a Powell blank. Aesthetically very nice, the the finish is now wearing off the tip (after 4 yrs.). I can’t really tell you I noticed a big performance difference, not like going from snake guides to single foot SICs. They are more corrosion resistant, though IMO if you clean your rod properly this shouldn’t be a huge deal. They go on the same as any guide :- I think if I were to build myself a real top of the line designer rod I’d use TN guides as well a TN reelseat (Clemens and Orvis have them) because I think they look pretty slick. There are many brands of TN guides now, you want to check as many as possible. The cheaper ones may wear off faster. I believe one of the saltwater ff mags had a review on titanium components a few months ago. I’ll try to find it tonite… jc
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – any experiance with them? I am in the process of building a Thomas and Thomas 8wt 3 piece and I was thinking about what guides to use. Anyway, I need some advice on the Titanium Nitride guides, are they worth the money? Are the a pain in the ass the put on? Any problems? Thanks….. -Mike Hi If your design includes gold hardware; reelseat, guides, tiptop, etc. you’ll get a beauty of a rod. I use T/N stuff on my rods and notice appreciative stares from others. Haven’t got any bad news about ‘em either. – six years later. – Thanks, J.P.Erwin – System Tech – Network Surveilance Views expressed here are MINE – nobody else dares to open their yap!
Hello Mike, I used TN guides on a Sage RPL I did last year. I used the guides along with a gold Powell reel seat and got a nice look. The gold appearance is not that gaudy. I’m hoping for good durability. Jeff
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Does anyone have any experiance with them? I am in the process of building a Thomas and Thomas 8wt 3 piece and I was thinking about what guides to use. You say T&T doesnt make those blanks? Yeah I know, but a buddy of mine pulled a few strings and it is going to be a special item. Anyway, I need some advice on the Titanium Nitride guides, are they worth the money? Are the a pain in the ass the put on? Any problems? Thanks….. -Mike There is also a black TN guide set (at least I think it is TN) that is
really hard and looks good. I use them for the stealth factor. Have em on two rods and they appear to be pretty good. Have only used them for about a season at this point, but they got hard use. No grooving to date, unlike the set they replaced.
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If TiN coating is used as a wear preventative on so many drills, reamers and carbide metal cutting tools, I would think it would be an excellent finish for guides.
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: -Mike There is also a black TN guide set (at least I think it is TN) that is : really hard and looks good. I use them for the stealth factor. Have em What exactly is the stealth factor? Are we now involved in all out war? In order to combat the fisherman with radar and motors on their float tubes, the trout have established hidden "listening posts" to detect the presence of fisherman topside? Titanium nitride has a low radar cross section, so the stealthy fisherman goes undetected? Just wondering.
First, I lied. They’re not TiN, they are DLC guides from Hopkins and Holloway. They’re still good. By stealth factor, I mean that they are black, so they reflect less light and thus spook fewer fish. Now, I do have composite wrapping on the drift boat to keep the radar signature down…
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I’m looking for any comparisons between the Sage RPL in 4 and 5 weight and the Orvis PM 10 in 4 and 5 weight. If you’ve tried either one or both, give me your thoughts on what they do best, advantages, disadvantages and any other thoughts. I’ll be trying them both real soon to build up from the blank.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : -Mike There is also a black TN guide set (at least I think it is TN) that is : really hard and looks good. I use them for the stealth factor. Have em What exactly is the stealth factor? Are we now involved in all out war? In order to combat the fisherman with radar and motors on their float tubes, the trout have established hidden "listening posts" to detect the presence of fisherman topside? Titanium nitride has a low radar cross section, so the stealthy fisherman goes undetected? Just wondering. First, I lied. They’re not TiN, they are DLC guides from Hopkins and Holloway. They’re still good. By stealth factor, I mean that they are black, so they reflect less light and thus spook fewer fish. Now, I do have composite wrapping on the drift boat to keep the radar signature down…
May I suggest an inflatable for total stealth ? As far as low reflection guides go, I had pretty good luck with the Perfection ‘EZ Flow’. Oversized and a nice grey color. Think I gotta do something about my chartreuse fishing hat though…
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First, I lied. They’re not TiN, they are DLC guides from Hopkins and Holloway. They’re still good. By stealth factor, I mean that they are black, so they reflect less light and thus spook fewer fish. Now, I do have composite wrapping on the drift boat to keep the radar signature down… May I suggest an inflatable for total stealth ? As far as low reflection guides go, I had pretty good luck with the Perfection ‘EZ Flow’. Oversized and a nice grey color. Think I gotta do something about my chartreuse fishing hat though…
I hope those aren’t the same grey guides I got some time back form Anglers Workshop. They were supposed to be teflon coated and real slick. Well, they were, until they got all grooved up. They were way soft. That’s why I got the DLC guides I referred to. Bear in mind I’m tough on guides. I fish from a boat most of the time, and sand and grit gets all over the line. A better recipe for destroying guides could not be found.
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I’m looking for any comparisons between the Sage RPL in 4 and 5 weight and the Orvis PM 10 in 4 and 5 weight. If you’ve tried either one or both, give me your thoughts on what they do best, advantages, disadvantages and any other thoughts. I’ll be trying them both real soon to build up from the blank.
Kevin, I built an Orvis PM10 4pc 4wt last year, and unfortunately I’ve been pretty disappointed with it’s performance. The rod throws nice tight loops for casts out to about 60′ (using a Cortland 444 Lazerline WF4W) but for anything beyond 60′ the rod just feels overloaded and "mushy" (i.e. not crisp). I also built an Orvis PM10 4pc 8wt and can throw it about 90′ before the same "mushy" feeling sets in, so I’m sure that some of my impression is biased by the lighter line weight. I’m now in the process of building a GLoomis IMX 4pc 5wt and have great hopes for it. The rod feels *much* stiffer throug- out it’s length than do any of the Orvis rods I’ve built, but I’m reserving final judgement until I’ve had a chance to finish the project and get the rod out to the local casting ponds. Unfortunately, I have no experience with the Sage RPL in 4 and 5 wt, so I really can’t give any feedback on that series. Best of luck with whatever you decide, Fred
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First, I lied. They’re not TiN, they are DLC guides from Hopkins and Holloway. They’re still good. By stealth factor, I mean that they are black, so they reflect less light and thus spook fewer fish. Now, I do have composite wrapping on the drift boat to keep the radar signature down… May I suggest an inflatable for total stealth ? As far as low reflection guides go, I had pretty good luck with the Perfection ‘EZ Flow’. Oversized and a nice grey color. Think I gotta do something about my chartreuse fishing hat though… I hope those aren’t the same grey guides I got some time back form Anglers Workshop. They were supposed to be teflon coated and real slick. Well, they were, until they got all grooved up. They were way soft. That’s why I got the DLC guides I referred to. Bear in mind I’m tough on guides. I fish from a boat most of the time, and sand and grit gets all over the line. A better recipe for destroying guides could not be found.
Hmm, I’ll have to check them. If they’re teflon coated I didn’t know it when I bought them :- Mine were on a Fisher 10 wgt. used mostly on surf and jetties in N.E., like you I’m rough on tackle (the rod is now broken . I originally had SICs on the rod, but switched to snakes to accomodate the heavy heads I like to throw. On my other rods, my black PacBays on my 11 weight have held up extremely well, fishing surf 3-4 times/week May- Oct. for 2 years. My PacBay TNs have begun to wear after about 4 years. The SICs, though ugly, have held up well for me too. Also, the single foot takes less time to wrap, which is important for me this time ‘cos I have to build the rod between the screams/needs/etc. of a 3 mo. old ! Fast is good, ja. I tend to cycle through rods pretty fast, slipping on jetties, etc. tends to beat them up good, so often the guides don’t get a chance to wear out ! jc
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: I’m looking for any comparisons between the Sage RPL in 4 and 5 weight : and the Orvis PM 10 in 4 and 5 weight. If you’ve tried either one or : both, give me your thoughts on what they do best, advantages, : disadvantages and any other thoughts. I’ll be trying them both real soon : to build up from the blank. Hi Kevin, I read a follow on post about the Orvis PM 10 and thought I’d mention my thoughts about the RPL (and the LLB) series. I have a 586 RPL and a 790 RPL and love them both. They are what the RPL stands for: Reserve Power Line. Wonderful line throwers. Now on the other hand, My wife has a 4711 LLB and I have just finished a 490 LLB and they are too soft for my arm. I have great difficulty casting with them. My wife, however, wouldn’t give her’s up. It is light and does a great job for her. Two of my daugherts also have 586 RPL(s) and they swear by them. It is a very easy rod to cast. lukn4fish — Bob San Jose, Ca
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I’m looking for any comparisons between the Sage RPL in 4 and 5 weight and the Orvis PM 10 in 4 and 5 weight. If you’ve tried either one or both, give me your thoughts on what they do best, advantages, disadvantages and any other thoughts. I’ll be trying them both real soon to build up from the blank.
Hi Kevin, I have cast and fished with both the Sage and Orvis 5wt. rods you mentioned. The RPL in my opinion is the all around better of the two. Both are very fine rods; However, the Sage has more backbone and will throw a tighter loop. The chioce is yours as to which rod is better for you. I prefer a very fast rod. Some people like to have a slightly slower, softer rod. The fast action of the RPL is somewhat unforgiving when you use light tippets. I suggest that you fish with both before purchasing. A day on the stream with a rod will give you much more information than casting one or the other at a fly shop. Good luck, let me know what you think of both. Bryan Bonds White River Anglers http://www.ipa.net/~bbonds Fayetteville, Ar
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I’m looking for any comparisons between the Sage RPL in 4 and 5 weight and the Orvis PM 10 in 4 and 5 weight. If you’ve tried either one or both, give me your thoughts on what they do best, advantages, disadvantages and any other thoughts. I’ll be trying them both real soon to build up from the blank.
Hi Kevin, I’ve tried both before buying the PM-10 9′ 5wt 2 pce. Depending on your preferences in a rod both are very nice rods. The RPL is a somewhat stiffer rod, very nice casting (even beyond 75′) but when you hook a moderate sized trout the PM-10 gives you more pleasure. Recently I bought a Sage LL 590-3 instead of the PM-10. Its casting is about in between the RPL and the PM-10. Above all it gives a lot more fun when playing a moderate sized trout. Finally : When distance is your main goal, buy a RPL 590 or even better SP+ 590. when performance is your goal, buy PM-10, LL 590 (3) or SP 590 (3). Succes, Ger.
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Kevin, I can’t speak about the Orvis– However, I have fished with a Sage RPL 8ft for a 4 for many years. I have fished the West Branch of the Ausable to the Madison. I have never been disapointed with the rod. I’ve caught everything from bluegills to landlocked salmon with it and it has been a pleasure. Tight loops, distance, and when needed a delicate feel. I also own two Orvis Rods. A green mountain and a far and fine. Neither of these rods are worth the money I spent on them. They hang on my wall while I fish with my Sage rods. In my opinion there is no comparison. Fish with the Sage! Mike
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You should try these rods yourself and see which ones cast best for you. We all have different casting styles and preferences.
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I’m looking for any comparisons between the Sage RPL in 4 and 5 weight and the Orvis PM 10 in 4 and 5 weight. If you’ve tried either one or both, give me your thoughts on what they do best, advantages, disadvantages and any other thoughts. I’ll be trying them both real soon to build up from the blank.
Kevin, Can’t help with the Sage rods, but can speak form experience about the PM-10’s. I personally fish with the PM-10 865-4 (8 1/2 ft. 5 wt. 4 pc.) and the rod fits me perfectly. I love it. The tip is very delicate and the rod loads and casts easily up close as well as having plenty of power to boom out the entire line if I need to. As you cast more and more line, the rod very smoothly and predictably flexes farther and farther down the blank with no sudden stops or hinges. It became available this year in a 9ft. version for a little better line control, but I still like the 8 1/2ft. We use the PM10 905 in our fly fishing schools and it is also superb. Same light tip with plenty of power but I prefer the way the 4 pc. casts over the 2pc. One of those things about buying top quality shoes and they’re all good, but this one’s really comfortable. The PM10 904 is a little smoother IMHO than the 905 but doesn’t have as much power. If you
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Hi out-there ! I’m an fly-fisher from Northern part of Sweden and i’m looking forward to discuss the wonderful waters and wilderness areas that we can enjoy, here round the arctic circle. I hope to read from you ! / A.Ronnback
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(Anders Ronnback,9558,1xxx-xx) writes: I’m an fly-fisher from Northern part of Sweden and i’m looking forward to discuss the wonderful waters and wilderness areas that we can enjoy, here round the arctic circle.
I am curious how northern european water rights work. I know that most waters in the British Isles and France are private, is it the same in northern Scandinavia?. I wonder because the videos of the Alta, for example, show a very sparcely populated terrain ( I know the Alta is in Norway but I assume that there might be simularities in water usage). Thanks for the info. Rodrigo
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(Anders Ronnback,9558,1xxx-xx) writes:
I’m an fly-fisher from Northern part of Sweden and i’m looking forward to discuss the wonderful waters and wilderness areas that we can enjoy, here round the arctic circle. Hi, from a third generation Swede in Seattle. My family was in Sweden the previous Summer, & although time was short I would have loved to try out some of your Atlantic Salmon fishing. I had just come from Scotland where I had tried Slamon fishing on Islay. Larry Johnson
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