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I love fly fishing, Also love to fish for fluke i am wondering if anyone might have a few tips on fly patterns and the best way that has a chance in hooking up into a few fluke. I mostly fish from a boat of the Ct. shore. Thanks, Nat

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I read an article once about some guy in the northwest flyfishing for halibut.  He used a heavy rod and sinking line.  The fly was a streamer pattern.  For the life of me I can’t remember which mag but it was either Fly Rod and Reel, Flyfisherman, or American Angler. It might work for fluke.  Maybe with big sculpin that mimics a creek chub? My brother and I used to trap chubs off the dock at Giant’s Neck Beach and then drift them on fluke rigs off of Rocky Neck SP.  I haven’t done that in a long, long time….. Let me know how you do…..  And thanks for bringing back a few pleasant memories —

| I love fly fishing, Also love to fish for fluke i am wondering if anyone | might have a few tips on fly patterns and the best way that has a chance | in hooking up into a few fluke. | I mostly fish from a boat of the Ct. shore. | Thanks, Nat |

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It was good to meet you and great to fish with you. Hope you continue to post. Next year maybe a Colorado/New Mexico Clave? Willi

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Next year maybe a Colorado/New Mexico Clave? Willi

Now that that cat is out of the bag, I’ll tell you that I’ve started a list of potential locations for a CO/NM western clave 2001. A friend in the office showed me some pictures today, and after some coaxing i got the locations from him….  beautiful cutthroats…. lots of other nearby fishing….. WESTERN CLAVE 2001  in a secret town somewhere in southern colorado. bruiser Before you buy.

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Education & employment: Went to college in Lubbock, Tx at Texas Tech University.  Received a BBA in MIS/Finance and MBA with a concentration in MIS.  

Welcome to another Red Raider. As far as I know we are the only two on ROFF. Big Dale, Class of ‘77

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colorado. bruiser

Count me in. Any excuse to get to the mountains in the summertime. Big Dale

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Count me in!!! But whats this "next year" stuff?? Ain’t there fishin yet to be done this year, or do you suppose there’s so many claves going already there might be conflicts? (Conflicts??? on ROFF??? Tell me ain’t so !!!) Danl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Next year maybe a Colorado/New Mexico Clave? Willi Now that that cat is out of the bag, I’ll tell you that I’ve started a list of potential locations for a CO/NM western clave 2001. A friend in the office showed me some pictures today, and after some coaxing i got the locations from him….  beautiful cutthroats…. lots of other nearby fishing….. WESTERN CLAVE 2001  in a secret town somewhere in southern colorado. bruiser Before you buy.

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With Big Dale and Dan’l, it’s a CLAVE already. We want time to plan, and time for everyone to restock their travel $ and hall passes.  Probably July 2001. Big Dale, we all missed you at the W Clave, although we know you’d have liked to go. We’ll get Jon Cook and Kelly roped into it also i’m sure.  Correct me if i’m wrong, jon, but it seems like you know your way around NM and CO pretty well. Before you buy.

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BIO name:  Kelly Rogers but I answer to a lot of things, depending upon the who’s yellin’ at me

<snipped a damn impressive BIO ’bout damn time there Kelly! <g  Enjoyed reading your 3 part post and look forward to reading mroe from you.  I was beginning to think you were going to wuss out. So did you do any fishin’ after the clave?  Feel free to email me the secret locations. I never did get a chance to stop in there and check on that girly, but I am planning on going for a weekend very soon and will no doubt have some free time. — Warren Findley Member of the Clavemeister Club Before you buy.

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rivers. Big Dale All we need is a clavemeister, Big Dale. I know at least one guy will show up.

It won’t be me. I have spent my whole life trying to stay out of west Texas and the decade I spent there was the worst flyfishing in my life. Big Dale

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I’m also thinking of a trip to southern Colorado/northern New Mexico sometime this September to check out some possible areas. Anyone interested in getting together?

   I’m up for that Willi, let’s synchonize our daytimers.    I’d been giving some thought to doing a clave in the North Park area, maybe even volunteering to be clavemeister. Wherever it is held, the bossman will need to be somebody with good knowledge of the local waters; me and Willi and probably a few others can find our way around North Park. Just an idea.

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   I’d been giving some thought to doing a clave in the North Park area, maybe even volunteering to be clavemeister. Wherever it is held, the bossman will need to be somebody with good knowledge of the local waters; me and Willi and probably a few others can find our way around North Park. Just an idea.

Dude, what about South Park?!?  Oh my god!  You killed Vern!  You bastard!!!! <g — Warren Findley Member of the Clavemeister Club Before you buy.

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It ain’t a hell of a lot of fun flyfishing in the land of dusty rivers. Big Dale

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It ain’t a hell of a lot of fun flyfishing in the land of dusty rivers. Big Dale All we need is a clavemeister, Big Dale. I know at least one guy will show up.

I don’t know.  Maybe a Vegas Clave with each member bringing a big roll of 20s.  Maybe Vern can give us some casting lessons and show us where the honey holes are <g — Warren Findley Member of the Clavemeister Club Before you buy.

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It ain’t a hell of a lot of fun flyfishing in the land of dusty rivers. Big Dale

All we need is a clavemeister, Big Dale. I know at least one guy will show up. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I do have a question though.  What are the possiblities of having more than one Western Clave for 2001?  Maybe another in Montana, Idaho or Wyoming as well as the CO/NM clave.  Thoughts, ideas, suggestions anyone?

How about West Texas? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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(awesome plan clipped) WHAT HE SAID!!! bruiser Before you buy.

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Willi, September’s great i agree.  I’m into a remodeling job on a dump i just bought but maybe a day or two here and there… I am psyched now for next september. bruiser Before you buy.

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Willi, September’s great i agree.  I’m into a remodeling job on a dump i just bought but maybe a day or two here and there… I am psyched now for next september. bruiser

Bruiser, you know to just count me in.  How the hell could I say no after reading over half of this book in one night (p 104 of 142 btw)?!?! I do have a question though.  What are the possiblities of having more than one Western Clave for 2001?  Maybe another in Montana, Idaho or Wyoming as well as the CO/NM clave.  Thoughts, ideas, suggestions anyone? — Warren Findley Member of the Clavemeister Club Before you buy.

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I do have a question though.  What are the possiblities of having more than one Western Clave for 2001?  Maybe another in Montana, Idaho or Wyoming as well as the CO/NM clave.  Thoughts, ideas, suggestions anyone?

I like Willi’s idea for a September CO/NM ‘Clave. I’ve been mulling over the idea of a summer ‘Clave in the Park. If we got on it early enough we could rent cabins at Roosevelt and be a short drive from a wide variety of fishing. From the geezer accessible Lamar and Soda Butte to the real challenge of Hellroaring Creek and the canyon of the Yellowstone. Steve’s horses are welcome in the Park and of course there’s campgrounds for those that prefer to camp. Just a thought. — Ken Fortenberry

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I’m game if I can work out the time schedule. When do you have in mind? Danl

July 2001. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I vote for fall. Fishing is always good in September. Weather is usually great, tourists are gone etc. July fishing depends on snow pack and the tourists are out in force. I’m also thinking of a trip to southern Colorado/northern New Mexico sometime this September to check out some possible areas. Anyone interested in getting together? Willi

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restock their travel $ and hall passes.  Probably July 2001.

This sounds good, but a little naive. I don’t see my travel $ ever being restocked what with some talking of a meeting in The Big Easy ( I always spend WAY TOO MUCH in the big easy). I have never fishing in Penn and have always wanted to see a game in Happy Valley. I have always enjoyed fishing Northern New Mexico and Colorado. One area I go to as often as I can is around Gunnison, cause it has lots of different types of water. I happen to enjoy those little brookies and cutthroats in the high mountain meadows…they are small but the area is beautiful. The more I think about it I am tempted to load the truck and leave right now. Big Dale.

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With Big Dale and Dan’l, it’s a CLAVE already. We want time to plan, and time for everyone to restock their travel $ and hall passes.  Probably July 2001.

I vote for fall. Fishing is always good in September. Weather is usually great, tourists are gone etc. July fishing depends on snow pack and the tourists are out in force. Big Dale, we all missed you at the W Clave, although we know you’d have liked to go. We’ll get Jon Cook and Kelly roped into it also i’m sure.  Correct me if i’m wrong, jon, but it seems like you know your way around NM and CO pretty well.

I’m also thinking of a trip to southern Colorado/northern New Mexico sometime this September to check out some possible areas. Anyone interested in getting together? Willi

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BIO name:  Kelly Rogers but I answer to a lot of things, depending upon the who’s yellin’ at me vitals: 6′4", as recent as a couple of months ago 226 lbs but currently hoverin’ around 208 lbs. (who says lite beer diet doesn’t work) , 35 yrs old the early years:  Born in Irving, TX but moved to Big Spring, TX in 1972 when my Grand Pa  past away.  Moved there to take over the family cotton farm along with a small time (and I do mean small time, 25-30 head) cattle operation that was thrown in for good measure.  Had a great up bringing of hard work on the farm, chasing gals in the big city of Big Spring, and drinking beer (not necessarily in that order). Education & employment: Went to college in Lubbock, Tx at Texas Tech University.  Received a BBA in MIS/Finance and MBA with a concentration in MIS.  Went to work at Sandia National Labs in 1992 and currently still employed there which is my first and only job outside of the farm. marital stats:  Married 10 years in June but that will probably be done in about a month. fishin’ stats:  Started fishing early on mostly on lakes and stock ponds around the house.  Not much to choose from in west Texas.  In 1992, a co-worker introduced me to flyfishing and have looked back since. Other interest: bird hunting and up until 1992-93, competitive trapshooting. Started shooting in 1979 through 4-H.  Shot skeet for about 1 1/2 years before a friend invited me over to the trap range one Saturday.  Shot three rounds that day and the friend told my Dad that if he didn’t take me to San Angelo the next day to shoot in the Zone II shoot that he would.  Dad took me that next day where I won runner up in the handicap championship.  Used the prize money to buy my own BT-99 and finished out that year shooting only singles and handicap.  The next year I started shooting doubles in order to try and make the All-American team.  Made the junior team that year and the next.  After the second year on the team, the ATA sent me to the US Nationals for Olympic style shooting where I won the US Nationals. Over the next 3 years, I won the Nationals one more time and 3rd twice.  As a junior, I shot in two World Championships in 1983 (Canada) and 1985 (Italy).  Won 2nd in ‘83 and 4th in ‘85.  I quit Olympic style after ‘85 and went back to shooting ATA.  Shot for the next 6 years with my best year coming in the 91′ season where I ended up high-overall and doubles (at the time, my average was 8th highest on record but they’ve since kicked the livin’ snot outta that) average leader for the year.  Over the years, I shot a Browning BT-99, Gamba combo, Perazzi, Beretta (they made a matched set of combo’s for me when I was there in 85), and finally a Kreighoff K-80 from ‘89 on.  In ‘93, I was hitting pretty hard on the burnout factor when I suffered a 2.5-degree separation of my right shoulder playing softball.  Combine those two things with my new love of flyfishing, I decided to hang’em up.  I’m also an avid hacker, and I do mean hacker, of the golf ball. Jeez, pretty simple life I guess but that’s about it. Kelly

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great flyfishing in duck mountain prov park .rainbow,brooks, splake, brown, pike, arctic char.five hours from winnipeg manitoba canada by for more information .belly boat works best up here.

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Kennedy) writes: great flyfishing in duck mountain prov park .rainbow,brooks, splake, brown, pike, arctic char.five hours from winnipeg manitoba canada by for more information .belly boat works best up here.

Why would I want to fish in some dumb park like that when I’ve got access to the Au Sable, Manistee, Pidgeon, Jordan, Betsy, Escanaba, Pierre Marquette…unless of course it was another of the bullshit Spams trying to lie to us again. Wayne Knight Geneva IL                            

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Anyone with experience flyfishing the Morehead City NC area during the summer? Wife wants to go on vacation there in the late July/Aug timeframe… Understand there is good wading on the inland waterway there and some opportunities for FF with guides… Any experience?

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 (J. Marker) writes: Anyone with experience flyfishing the Morehead City NC area during the summer? … opportunities for FF with guides… Any experience?

Call John Martyn at Martyn’s Sea & Stream (919-403-1604) in Durham, NC.  He can give you good information and put you in touch with area guides.  I’ve fished with Bill Harris and will be going with him again. (John can give you his number]. Good fishing! J. Rice

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Anyone with experience flyfishing the Morehead City NC area during the summer? Wife wants to go on vacation there in the late July/Aug timeframe… Understand there is good wading on the inland waterway there and some opportunities for FF with guides… Any experience?

The best thing going in the summer months is spanish mackerel fishing.  Go out to Cape Lookout and look for schools breaking water along the hook. Fish will be all inside the bight.  Sometimes using anchored yachts for ambush points.  Beautiful place too, very secluded, about 7 miles from Beaufort and Morehead.  Contact me and I could take you

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Hi Sandy, Great idea and post on the Skinny Minny. I’m going to give them a try after Christmas. There is usually some kind of thaw for a few day in mid January in Montana and I’m going to be prepared. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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             –Skinny Minnies and Rapalicas– WARNING:   The following discussion may prove hazardous to your sensibilities. If you like precise definitions and are uncomfortable with gray area, abort now and read no further. Else continue.   Hot damn. I’ve been working on this for over ten years, and now I finally have it: homemade, lightweight wigglers that are quick and easy to make. I wrote about this once, or, should I say John Gierach did, about 10 years ago in fly fisherman, in an article called "Flies or Lures," where my work was reviewed along with the work of several others (A K Best?) I had some wigglers that worked then, but they were way too heavy, and took way too long to make. I posted some interim, ‘almost works’ instructions to rec.outdoors.fishing a few years ago, and immediately started a flame war about what is and isn’t fly fishing. Several readers thought the very idea of fly rod wigglers was inherently reprehensible. One reader referred to them derisively as "Skinny Minnies." I thought it was a pretty good name. I’ll have to see if I can get something published under that name. For me, wigglers have been the hardest challenge in fly tying. I have been making them for years, but I never knew–until recently–which ones would work and which ones wouldn’t. Dave Whitlock once described the balancing of homemade wigglers as "Impossibly difficult." But it ain’t so: once you’ve got it, it’s easy. BACKGROUND:   First of all–just in case there is any doubt in your mind–wigglers are absolutely deadly. Tiny, 3/8" long wigglers are absolutely dynamite on the spring creeks. In bigger water, fat, long-bodied wigglers thrown into the i pockets behind overhanging willow branches pull out big browns like a magnet. MATERIALS:    Thin super glue.    5-minute epoxy    Spawn sack—dyed brown or black if you are a perfectionist    Clear mylar sheeting (get it at the drafting supplies store, ala                          Bett’s frog lip)    any standard hook…with hook size vaguely dependant on body length.    optional: any number of rubber leg, marabou, saddle hackle additions              that can be added, as-per-your imagination. TYING (assembly) INSTRUCTIONS:    ….say for a big one…    Cut a 1/4" x 1/4" x 2" square tube of closed cell foam. Use scissors to taper off the rear end. Use a razor blade to cut a 60 degree slanted front face in the foam. Slit what will eventually be the belly of the fly (lure?) and push in a flattened split shot, along with a dab of epoxy. This "belly-mounted" ballast is critical. This (belly ballast) was the missing part of the puzzle, for me. With a bouyant tail, a little ballast in the belly and slightly weighted bill, they all orient downwards, and dive and wiggle like crazy when you pull on the line.     Roll the foam body up like a cigarette (perhaps you learned how to do this i back in the late 1960’s)–in a rectangle of spawn sack. Twist up the loose spawn sack at the rear end, and glue the tight knot at the rear end with a spot of thin super glue. Clip off the excesss spawn sack. Twist the spawn sack flat over the slanted front end of the foam body. Use a small amount of thin super glue to pin the spawn sack flat against the slanted front end of the foam.   Cut a rectangle of rigid, clear mylar sheeting for the diving lip. Rough it up with sand paper. Glue the front end of the slanted foam body onto the diving lip with epoxy. Set it aside to dry.    Once the epoxy has hardened, use scissors to trim back the mylar sheeting into a Rapala-like diving lip. Glue an additional, flattened split shot on the lower edge of the bill.    At this point, you can add do-dads. Sew in rubber legs, flashabou, saddle hackles, beady eyes….whatever you want. What you have, at this point, is a soft-bodied lure that dives and wiggles like a daemon, and yet is no heavier than many commercially tied streamer flies. You can toss them easily with a fly rod. HOW TO FISH THE FLURE:   Use a bodkin needle to poke a hole through the bill. Push the tippet through the hole. Throw a half hitch around the body of the lure. Use a needle to push the tippet through the foam at its rear end. Tie on any hook you like. Fish it upstream and across, like a streamer. You may have to use toenail clippers to "fine tune" the action of the lure. Then try fishing it it downstream, swimming it back and forth at the top of likely looking pockets. Pay attention and be ready to set the hook. You’ll get plenty of strikes. You’ll find more big fish than you ever imagined. I fished some of these last summer on the Big Horn, and the results were nearly indescribable. The only flaw at that point, was that only about 1 in 4 flies I made worked (wiggled) right. Now they all do. It’s all in the belly ballast.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I recently had my 4-pc Sage 890 RPL replaced by Sage (with new blanks) because the finish was defective.  I had the blanks drop-shipped to the guy who made the first rod.  When he sent me the finished rod, he noted that the new "8-wt." had a huge butt section.  I got the rod back just as I was leaving for Belize, so i didn’t have a chance to look at it.   However, when I laid my rods out in the panga, I couldn’t tell the difference between the new 8-wt and my 4-pc 9-wt.RPLX.  The rod said 890 RPLB (B stood for blank, according to Sage).  I used the rod as an 8-wt for bones and truthfully can’t say if it was different from the original rod…other than the larger butt. Can anyone out there offer an explanation?  Sage told me to send them the rod, but I can’t do that as it is my favorite bassing rod at home (I’ll have to wait until the season ends). Adam

Hi Adam, The new RPL+’s have larger butts, faster action. Maybe you got the new one !! Great rod with power in the butt for more powerful casts. Dennis Grant Atlantic FLy Fishing SChool

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently had my 4-pc Sage 890 RPL replaced by Sage (with new blanks) because the finish was defective.  I had the blanks drop-shipped to the guy who made the first rod.  When he sent me the finished rod, he noted that the new "8-wt." had a huge butt section.  I got the rod back just as I was leaving for Belize, so i didn’t have a chance to look at it. However, when I laid my rods out in the panga, I couldn’t tell the difference between the new 8-wt and my 4-pc 9-wt.RPLX.  The rod said 890 RPLB (B stood for blank, according to Sage).  I used the rod as an 8-wt for bones and truthfully can’t say if it was different from the original rod…other than the larger butt. Can anyone out there offer an explanation?  Sage told me to send them the rod, but I can’t do that as it is my favorite bassing rod at home (I’ll have to wait until the season ends). Adam Hi Adam, The new RPL+’s have larger butts, faster action. Maybe you got the new one !! Great rod with power in the butt for more powerful casts. Dennis Grant Atlantic FLy Fishing SChool

Larger butts, power in the butt for more powerful cast…hmmmm…I need to get off this diet!

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I recently had my 4-pc Sage 890 RPL replaced by Sage (with new blanks) because the finish was defective.  I had the blanks drop-shipped to the guy who made the first rod.  When he sent me the finished rod, he noted that the new "8-wt." had a huge butt section.  I got the rod back just as I was leaving for Belize, so i didn’t have a chance to look at it.   However, when I laid my rods out in the panga, I couldn’t tell the difference between the new 8-wt and my 4-pc 9-wt.RPLX.  The rod said 890 RPLB (B stood for blank, according to Sage).  I used the rod as an 8-wt for bones and truthfully can’t say if it was different from the original rod…other than the larger butt. Can anyone out there offer an explanation?  Sage told me to send them the rod, but I can’t do that as it is my favorite bassing rod at home (I’ll have to wait until the season ends). Adam

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I promised to take my mother flyfishing for a day. Since she has a touch of arthritis, and can’t storm around a rocky streambed too well, I’m looking for a half day float trip somewhere within striking distance of Washington, D.C. Preferably trout,  smallmouth bass okay too. Heard there was a place on the Jackson River in VA. A bed and breakfast with drift boats launched from the front lawn. Anybody know of it? please send a copy of your reply to me at

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I’ve driven past a Bed and Breakfast that has property right on the Upper Jackson and their pamplet said "fishing available". Its off of 39, west of Warm Springs..If you’re interested, I’ll post the name and phone number of the place the next time I’m over at our guide shop….Ron Bennett Flyfishing Virginia L.L.C.  804 467-6668 "Guide service for trout and smallmouth"

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great float trips on Pine Creek in Northcentral PA,…excellent gourmet restuarant and lodge at Cedar Run–Cedar Run Inn

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Unless they have been getting some rain, might be alot of dragging over rocks in Pine Creek by now.  It is a pretty float. Cedar Run Inn is pretty busy in weekends, may be hard to get reservation.                                       regards leo

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I’m interested in the standards that are used in the competitive judging of flies.  If anyone could e-mail me a list of evaluative criteria for any specific competition, I’d greatly appreciate it.   Also, I’d like to hear any thoughts on the _bases_ of these criteria:  Do they ultimately reflect how well flies catch fish, or are they based on how well a fly catches the eye of the fisherman!? Thanks in advance for any observations you might have, whether e-mailed to me personally or posted here for discussion in the newsgroup. Rick Anderson

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I’m interested in the standards that are used in the competitive judging of flies.  If anyone could e-mail me a list of evaluative criteria for any specific competition, I’d greatly appreciate it.   Also, I’d like to hear any thoughts on the _bases_ of these criteria:  Do they ultimately reflect how well flies catch fish, or are they based on how well a fly catches the eye of the fisherman!? Thanks in advance for any observations you might have, whether e-mailed to me personally or posted here for discussion in the newsgroup. Rick Anderson

I have some experience on flytying competitions both as participant in the Canadian World Championship for salmon flies and others and as a member of the jury in the Mustad Scandinavian Open in 93 and 94. First of all: How well the fly catches fish can only be judged by the fish. In practice it would be impossible to measure how well a fly catches. Other parameters as changing conditions, skills of the fisherman, luck etc had to be averaged out. After years of testing a high number of the same fly by a lot of different people (who must not know exactly what fly they were using) one might be able to say that fly A is a better fishing fly than fly B. It is very important to distinguish between flies for fishing and competition flies. There are two types flytiers: Those who only want to crank out a number of fishing flies in shortest possible time and those who want to develop their flytying skills towards perfection. If you belong to the first category you must respect the "perfectionists" although we all agree that the fish does not care. Flytying competitions therefore have to be judged by people. In my opinion the general criteria can be divided into two groups: a) "Technical properties" and b) "Artistic content". Technical perfection is primary for a top fly. The most important aspects are: Small smooth wellshaped head, no visible thread were it should not, all materials well aligned, no wing splitting etc, symmetry, proportions, conformity to the given pattern (if applicable), balance between the different components, no "illegal tricks" (ex superglue in salmon fly wings, cutting of material which should end naturally etc). If the fly is self composed artistic content also plays a part as a secondary criterion. This may be use of new materials or known materials used in a special way. I do not regard creations molded in plastic or rubber as flies. The materials have to be attached to the hook by the use of a tying thread. The participants in a contest will of course want to know how their fly was judged. In the Canadian WC we used to get a written judgement of the flies to be able to improve what was wrong. When this practice was ended I stopped participating, but they may have reintroduced this feedback. In the Mustad championship we tried to give some comments last year. This year I was not in the jury due to a one year stay in the US. I heard that the overall level in the salmon classes were not too impressive this year. The dry fly and nymph classes were much harder to judge. Often you really have to look very close to find a tiny flaw. In some competitions they have a formalized table for judging the flies. The points for each part of the fly is added and compared afterwards to get the ranking. This may or may not be more fair than throwing out the worst flies until ten are left and then sorting the last ten to get ranking among the ten best. We have found the last method to work well in the Mustad Championship. The form/points for each part-method have been suggested. The feedback to the participants would be better, but the time it would take to judge 500 flies in 7 classes would increase conciderably mainly due to filling out the forms. Personally I am not sure that this would improve the quality of the judgement. The ideas expressed here are mine and mine alone and I do not speak for the other members of the jury. This years Mustad Scandinavian open is closed and all participating flies will be displayed at the Flyfishing Days June 17-18, 1995,at the Norwegian Forestry Museum in Elverum, Norway. Edvard Bergene Norwegian visiting scientist at UW Madison

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Peterson)" says: anyone have some good try fly patterns for fur and no dry hackle i have a tremendous amont of varied fur as i live near a furrier possum, beaver, mink, otter, wolf, fox, muskrat etc. thanks — gp

Comparaduns.  

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Looking for information on the upper Kings River, above Pine Flat dam. I read an earlier posting on the area around Courtright Res., and would love some specifics on that area, as I live very close.  What about the Bear Creek Diversion and above?  Any one have any comments and or experiences up in those parts?  Thanks in advance. Sean

Hi Sean: Bear Creek above the dam to Twin Falls (especially the 100 yards or so just below the falls) is fairly good for brook trout from late May to early July.  But be prepared for mosquitos from late June on.  It’s a real nice day trip. The only fishing I’ve done on the Kings River is on the South Fork in Paradise Valley (7 miles in from Cedar Grove Road end).  Really nice just before Memorial Day when the black ants start flying.  It’s my Spring ritual to work out the kinks. Mark

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    The upper Kings river used to be an awsome fishery. Large rainbows.  I havent fished it since 1986 but when I did I caught four large bows on a stonefly nymph.   They ranged from 20-24 inches and were thick bodied.  I don’t know if the drought affected the fishery or not.  Of course this time of the year the enormous runoff makes fishing difficult at best and you have to compete with the river rafters. You should also be advised to keep a sharp eye on your step the rattlers are everywhere and they are gigantic.  I have even seen them swimming in the river.  My advise to you is to take the dirt road at the second bridge, take the road on the side of the river that you are on before you cross the bridge otherwise you will encounter to much rafter traffic enroute to or coming from Garnet Dike area which is a favorite raft launching spot.  Good luck.      Regarding bear diversion ;  Good area small trout but plentifull, mostly brookies. I know some fantastic fishing areas in the Kaiser wilderness area that I dont necessarily want to share with the world  but if you will E-mail me personally I will share them privately because you are a FSU Bulldog.  What do you think about the Shark getting hired?  You should also be aware that Bear CCreek is out at least till Memorial day because of the snow. My sources with SCE say that Kaiser Pass probebly

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i have recently aquirred a tremendous amount of fur due to the fact  we live down the road from a furrier. i was wondering if anyone had any pattern recipes for some of this fur . Some of it is red fox silver fox, norwegian wolf, otter, beaver, mink, raccoon, oppossum, muskrat sa well as others i cant determine. As of the moment i have no dry hackle and an abundance of this fur so i am tying patterns that exclusively call for it. the dubbing needless to say is varied and tremendous — gp

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anyone have some good try fly patterns for fur and no dry hackle i have a tremendous amont of varied fur as i live near a furrier possum, beaver, mink, otter, wolf, fox, muskrat etc. thanks — gp

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what is going on with this group i sent 4 postings and they have all gone with the rest of them is there some time limit on the postingsand is it possible to read old back posting  thanks — gp

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: i have recently aquirred a tremendous amount of fur due to the fact  we : live down the road from a furrier. i was wondering if anyone had any : pattern recipes for some of this fur . Some of it is red fox silver fox, : norwegian wolf, otter, beaver, mink, raccoon, oppossum, muskrat sa well : as others i cant determine. As of the moment i have no dry hackle and an : abundance of this fur so i am tying patterns that exclusively call for it. : the dubbing needless to say is varied and tremendous : — : gp —It sounds like you can tie just about any nymph there is.  For dries you definately want some hackle (or duck quills for no hackle dries).                                 jamie

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Tie the Rhycophilia Caddis pupa (sp?).  It’ just a fur dubbed body.  Add some long hair to the head as legs.  All you need are some 200R or 205BL hooks. Substitute hair for tail, wingcase and legs in most patterns and you’ll be able to tie most nymphs.  Invent your own patterns!  Gold Ribbed Mink Stole… –jim

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i have recently aquirred a tremendous amount of fur due to the fact  we live down the road from a furrier. i was wondering if anyone had any pattern recipes for some of this fur . Some of it is red fox silver fox, norwegian wolf, otter, beaver, mink, raccoon, oppossum, muskrat sa well as others i cant determine. As of the moment i have no dry hackle and an abundance of this fur so i am tying patterns that exclusively call for it. the dubbing needless to say is varied and tremendous — gp

I got your messages.  Drop a not on my email directly. Lenny Bloksberg . .

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anyone have some good try fly patterns for fur and no dry hackle i have a tremendous amont of varied fur as i live near a furrier possum, beaver, mink, otter, wolf, fox, muskrat etc. thanks — gp

Zonkers, Bunny leaches, Kiwi Mudlers, These use patches of tanned hide with the hair on.  They are the easiest way I know of to use up lots of tanned hides with fur on.  Otherwise, TRADE!  I’m sure lots of folks would be happy to trade something they have in excess for your fur, myself included. . Lenny Bloksberg . .

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GP– sounds like a great find. You might try a fly called the Usual, It’s kind of a Comparadun/emerger cross. It uses guard and underfur tied up for a wing and underfur for dubbing. It also has guard hair for a tail. You might want to consider getting yourself a dry fly neck, you have some great dubbing for it (esp. the beaver otter and mukrat) if they haven’t been processed to much. Otherwise any of your furs would work for different nymph patterns.

Another thing he might consider doing is going into a flyfishing shop and see if they are interested in trading some of the fur for some hackle necks. Not all flyfishing shops will accept furs but some will.  Heck, he might be able to find some people here that would be willing to do some trades. Some might even be willing to purchase some of the fur from you outright and then he could use the money to buy some hackle necks. — John Fereira   "Guru of Miscellany" Pleasanton, CA Viacom Cable Division

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Tie the Rhycophilia Caddis pupa (sp?).  It’ just a fur dubbed body.  Add some long hair to the head as legs.  All you need are some 200R or 205BL hooks. Substitute hair for tail, wingcase and legs in most patterns and you’ll be able to tie most nymphs.  Invent your own patterns!  Gold Ribbed Mink Stole…

So I’m not the only one that has looked at a woman wearing a fur and thought "look at all that fly tying material". — John Fereira   "Guru of Miscellany" Pleasanton, CA Viacom Cable Division

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Looking for information on the upper Kings River, above Pine Flat dam. I read an earlier posting on the area around Courtright Res., and would love some specifics on that area, as I live very close.  What about the Bear Creek Diversion and above?  Any one have any comments and or experiences up in those parts?  Thanks in advance. Sean

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Hi, a brand new german internet fly-fisherman is around ! I am sorry if a cause some troubles here, but it is my first time in the internet and i wanted to take a look at the worlds computer-fly-fishermen. So if i produce any mistakes in here, I AM SORRY !       Would be nice if somebody talks to me, just to see that i am right in here.    CU, bye…….

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Hi, a brand new german internet fly-fisherman is around ! I am sorry if a cause some troubles here, but it is my first time in the internet and i wanted to take a look at the worlds computer-fly-fishermen. So if i produce any mistakes in here, I AM SORRY !       Would be nice if somebody talks to me, just to see that i am right in here.    CU, bye…….

Hello and welcome. It’s always great to have flyfishers from different countries. I lived in Germany for 3 years and had some great fishing experiences there. Tchuss! Cal Harris — Fishin Buddy  o <<     o  |           These opinions are offered by weight  <     <  o       <J           provocative content may have occurred      <<       <<                    during shipping and handling.

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Howdy,     you are hear and heard…always nice to have someone from across the water join in.  Maybe you can tell me about Huchen if you have ever had the oportlunity to fish for them.                     Petri Heil                          Mike Leitheiser, Portland, Oregon

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Hi from around the world. Enjoy the ‘net and aloha, |Robert (aka: Bob) B. Graham – NINC-HON               Office: (808) 523-4500| |(Nerd-In-Chief Honolulu)                               Home: (808) 395-9360| |City & County of Honolulu           Prodigy: WTKW87A                       |  I have a vice, that vice is fishing – time stops, I’m in a different world.

: Hi, : a brand new german internet fly-fisherman is around ! : I am sorry if a cause some troubles here, but it is my first : time in the internet and i wanted to take a look at the worlds : computer-fly-fishermen. So if i produce any mistakes in here, : I AM SORRY !       Would be nice if somebody talks to me, : just to see that i am right in here.    CU, bye…….

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This thread is great! Does any one know if there is an IRC session on FFishing? That is where real time conversation can take place and our German friends can participate. I’m a Fly fisherman and amateur astronomer. On sundays an #ASTRONOMY session held. Folks from uk, as, fr and others participate. A FFishing session would be great too.

: Hi, : a brand new german internet fly-fisherman is around ! : I am sorry if a cause some troubles here, but it is my first : time in the internet and i wanted to take a look at the worlds : computer-fly-fishermen. So if i produce any mistakes in here, : I AM SORRY !       Would be nice if somebody talks to me, : just to see that i am right in here.    CU, bye……. —  Remember amateur astronomers: "keep looking for the next Universe"

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bob- glad to hear u made it on to the net and welcome.  no doesn’t seem like u caused any prblems but how the fishing in germany?  currently i am in Manchester, New Hampshire, USA and while its alittle cold here and the seasons is on hold the fishing was tremendous this summer and fall in our northern rivers and streams.  also was terrific out west in Wyoming and Montana where i spend three weeks every year.  so i guess we have u to blame for all these german browns that thrive in our rivers, well i can tell u they get pretty big over hear.  well lots of luck.                                                  tight lines

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