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Thanks for the tip! If you had my "host" you would understand why. When I tried the link in my signature it worked and BTW: the site has nothing to do with flyfishing (unless you like fishing for dogs, but how does one manage to tie a bone-streamer or something like that) — Hans van der Stroom http://home.wanadoo.nl/stroomh ICQ 20196762 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For what it’s worth my favourite fly for Perch: Hook: TMC 5263 – #’s 8-10 or any other long-shanked hook Tail: bunch of black marabou or Polar Fox body (I prefer this) Body (rear half): flat silvertinsel with fluo red Lazer Wrap over Body (front half): black dubbing with large black hackle wound through Welcome back.  Your personal website seems to be non-functional at the moment. Mu

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Thanks for the tip! If you had my "host" you would understand why.

I do understand – wanadoo seems to spend most of its  money on advertising  Though that might be understandable.  AOL spent the first ten years of its existence as a junk mail company. Mu

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Is this a similar concept to some "superiors" considering themselves "Fly-Dressers" while other less mortals are only "flytiers"? Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <SNIP but not bait fishing. As it happens, I also invariably fish for them with flies, only very occasionally with bait nowadays, and sometimes using other methods. However, it is better to know as much as possible about one

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central PA. Third week of July. Need guide and/or boat rental info,

http://www.billsguideservice.com/ RichZ

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Considering all of the self promoting, childish in fighting that has developed recently in this newsgroup, I propose that this newsgroup change its name to Pompous. Ass. Fishing. Fly.  I also propose that all members of PAFF are required to own and drive either an Orvis Jeep or one of the Lexus/Mercedes SUV’s.  In addition, streamside attire must include the bandana tied around the neck, the pastel colored fishing shirt and the standard Aussie outback hat with chin strap included.  And of course the PAFF membership patch must be proudly worn on the seat of your waders. <grin Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

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[deleted] I propose that this newsgroup change its name to Pompous. Ass. Fishing.

Fly. [deleted] Yeah…but that would be redundant. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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okay but only if I get to wear love beads and a peace sign…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Considering all of the self promoting, childish in fighting that has developed recently in this newsgroup, I propose that this newsgroup change its name to Pompous. Ass. Fishing. Fly.  I also propose that all members of PAFF are required to own and drive either an Orvis Jeep or one of the Lexus/Mercedes SUV’s.  In addition, streamside attire must include the bandana tied around the neck, the pastel colored fishing shirt and the standard Aussie outback hat with chin strap included.  And of course the PAFF membership patch must be proudly worn on the seat of your waders. <grin Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

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<snip I propose that this newsgroup change its name to Pompous. Ass. Fishing. Fly.  <snip  And of course the PAFF membership patch must be proudly worn on the seat of your waders. <grin Mike Wilson Fishing!! What else is there?

OR….. How ’bout RONG  rec.outdoors.no.gink  ;-)                                                                 =8=

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<<OR….. How ’bout RONG  rec.outdoors.no.gink  ;-) Or RONA — and you wouldn’t be able to belong.  d;0) Dave LaCourse

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<<OR….. How ’bout RONG  rec.outdoors.no.gink  ;-) Or RONA — and you wouldn’t be able to belong.  d;0) Dave LaCourse

Don’t take it personal Gink.   8~)

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<<OR….. How ’bout RONG  rec.outdoors.no.gink  ;-) Or RONA — and you wouldn’t be able to belong.  d;0) Dave LaCourse Don’t take it personal Gink.   8~)

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George: << Don’t take it personal Gink.   8~) I didn’t write that, George.  The very adult "spiderman" did. DL

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This is only a test. Do not adjust your set.

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I will be leaving March 14th to fish Baja, anyone have any experience or recommendations for fly’s to use. Thank You Dan

Hi Dan, I think that white is a good basic color for saltwater streamers and then put green, or blue or red on top. Green over yellow is also good. Flash is good. I would use 2/0 to 5/0 hooks and flies from 3 to 6 inches. We like poppers or popper heads in front of streamers. I mostly hear that the summer months are better for fly fishing in Baja. I guess May through October with June and July being very popular from Mulege to La Paz. Most anglers that go down in the winter return with stories of mostly trolling with flies. I am sure there are exceptions and I’m sure their are some experts that have wired in the winter. To motor out in the Sea of Cortez, stop the motor and cast, you need lots of fish. That is way we have gone to Loreto for the last 15 years in July.  On a good year, you can park the boat on a sargassum patty and cast popper for schooling Dorado from 10 to 20 pounds and bigger. I wish the fly fishing was better in the winter because it is hot as hell in the summer. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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You might check <Baja on the Fly  by Nick Curcione, Amato Publications, 503/ 653-8108

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I will be leaving March 14th to fish Baja, anyone have any experience or recommendations for fly’s to use.

There are 2,000 miles of shoreline down there.  You don’t mention if you are using a boat, what weight rod, target species.  Can’t help you much unless you give more info… -John Thank You Dan

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yea I have a suggestion take me     well anyways thought id try good luck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I will be leaving March 14th to fish Baja, anyone have any experience or recommendations for fly’s to use. Thank You Dan

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I will be leaving March 14th to fish Baja, anyone have any experience or recommendations for fly’s to use. Thank You Dan

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<www.bajafly.com

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Try Beaver Lake. You won’t catch any trophys but you will catch all of the Golden trout and Cutthroats you want and will probably have the whole lake and creek to yourselves.  I went up there August 95 and the last hour I fished I caught a trout on every single cast.   Like I said there not big but they are plenty.  The biggest one I caught was probably 14 or 15 inches. Take I-70 west from Denver to Beaver creek(yes, the ski resort) Get a day parking pass at the gaurd post(free) and park in town.  Then follow the creek about 1 hour and 45 min. to the lake.  You can go up past the inlet and fish the creek too.  E-mail me for more info if you want have fun!!!!!!!

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        I’m returning to Colorado for a while (I moved to Oregon), and am wondering if someone could point me toward a few good fishing spots. The Colorado Angling Guide by Chuck Fothegill & Bob Sterling lists about every place to fish in Colorado.  

With all due respect, this book lists those places to avoid.   TimW

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Hi!         I’m returning to Colorado for a while (I moved to Oregon), and am wondering if someone could point me toward a few good fishing spots.  Since I just learned to flyfish in Oregon, I’ve never had the chance to back in Colorado.  I know the state quite well otherwise, and am willing to drive/hike to get to a good spot. Thanks! A.Davis

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Just returned from a week in Frisco.  There is a catch and release stream just south of Breckenridge (about 5 miles away) that I did very well on. It’s the upper Blue River.  The town of Breckenridge made a private purchase of 750 Brown trout from a private hatchery in Boulder and the fishing was great. Most of the areas around there are catch and release, and according to the guy at Walmart in Frisco – Lake Dillon doesn’t have a lot of fish.  Of course I didn’t try the inlet from the upper Blue to Lake Dillon for some of the browns that might have made their way there. — John Harvey remove xx to email – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know of some good flyfishing areas in Colorado with cabins nearby? Thanks, Teri

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Does anyone know of some good flyfishing areas in Colorado with cabins nearby? Thanks, Teri

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For your free brochure featuring the funniest in t-shirts,  E-mail the shirtguy for info.  Guaranteed to help you look better catching that whopper!!  Good Fishing.

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For your free brochure featuring the funniest in t-shirts,  E-mail the shirtguy for info.  Guaranteed to help you look better catching that whopper!!  Good Fishing.

This is not posted by the intelekchualy advanced, flyfishing supremo, humorous South African Bruce which you have all come to know and admire. (I realy crack myself up sometimes). I would never attempt to sell t-shirts via roff. Hell hath no fury as a flyfisherman spammed. Cheers Bruce….

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I have a small pond I can fish that is full of 2lb. Channel Cats. The depth runs from 2 to 10 feet. How should I go about catching them on a fly. I would be most thankful for any suggestions.

Small streamers or wooly buggers will work – as the previous responses suggested, but the most consistent channel cat "fly" for me has been a 1/64 oz. mini-jig. Try white marabou or tensile.   —

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Try chicken livers.  Just wear a splatter guard and watch the backcast’s near other people in the area…. Seriously though,  catfish rely on scent but I have caught many while fishing for bass  with big crankbaits.  This summer I am going to try dunking a couple of homemade flies into chicken liver guts in area that I have caught catfish before.  We will see what happens!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a small pond I can fish that is full of 2lb. Channel Cats. The depth runs from 2 to 10 feet. How should I go about catching them on a fly. I would be most thankful for any suggestions. Small streamers or wooly buggers will work – as the previous responses suggested, but the most consistent channel cat "fly" for me has been a 1/64 oz. mini-jig. Try white marabou or tensile.   —

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I’ve done well on chrome-eyed matukas (the eyes for weight), especially in the late spring with they hunt the shallows.  They can bruise you…

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My brother and I were out fishing for Largemouths with wooly buggers (BLACK) and he put down a 10lb. channel cat.  He played the damned thing for 35 minutes before he released him. —-just a suggestion JW KRAMEROn Wed, 26 Feb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a small pond I can fish that is full of 2lb. Channel Cats. The depth runs from 2 to 10 feet. How should I go about catching them on a fly. I would be most thankful for any suggestions. Thank you, Shawn Anything that looks like a baitfish should work. When I lived in Kansas I would occasionally catch them on streamers and decievers. Charlie…

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I have a small pond I can fish that is full of 2lb. Channel Cats. The depth runs from 2 to 10 feet. How should I go about catching them on a fly. I would be most thankful for any suggestions. Thank you, Shawn

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I have a small pond I can fish that is full of 2lb. Channel Cats. The depth runs from 2 to 10 feet. How should I go about catching them on a fly. I would be most thankful for any suggestions. Thank you, Shawn

Anything that looks like a baitfish should work. When I lived in Kansas I would occasionally catch them on streamers and decievers. Charlie…

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Hi guys-    Am going to Borneo on a cave mapping trip in October through December. Anybody know anything about the fisheries there or who to contact? -Ralph —

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Hi guys-   Am going to Borneo on a cave mapping trip in October through December. Anybody know anything about the fisheries there or who to contact? -Ralph —

        oh, god, what a great post.  thanks, cutter.  haven’t had a laugh like this in months.                 a. wayne harrison

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        oh, god, what a great post.  thanks, cutter.  haven’t had a laugh like this in months!                 a. wayne harrison

        No. Really.         I’d hate to show up with a box of PMD’s when the centipede hatch was going bonkers.         Seriously though, if anyone has any leads regarding fish or fishing in Borneo I’d appreciate a word. -Me

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        oh, god, what a great post.  thanks, cutter.  haven’t had a laugh like this in months!                 a. wayne harrison         No. Really.         I’d hate to show up with a box of PMD’s when the centipede hatch was going bonkers.         Seriously though, if anyone has any leads regarding fish or fishing in Borneo I’d appreciate a word.

I do not. RE: Fish in Caves… Once I was in a cave in Colorado that had running water in it (on an extended backpacking rip)…it was FULL of brookies…wierd little huge jawed brookies…that would hit anything. We ate a lot of them… We kept ‘em alive on a stringer…bonk one…cut off the head…insert weenie stick along spine and cook like a marshmallow.  DELICIOUS ! TimW

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Try contacting  Hock-Heng Pro Fishing in Singapore , they are pretty knowledgable from what I remember . Unfortunately I do not have their contact information anymore , but remember the name . G

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: I live in Downriver Detroit and love to travel to No. Mich. to fly fish : for trout.  Unfortunately, it appears my travel budget will be seriously : curtailed this summer.  Does anyone out there know of good streams or : lakes in the metro area that are wader-accessible?  Fish species are : unimportant.  Also, any guidance on flies for warmwater species will be : appreciated.   You live in one of the most lake-besotted states in the union! There are *scores* of good fishing lakes in your neighborhood. Go to a large bookstore or DNR office and get a copy of the book "Fishing in Michigan". It lists scores of lakes with details of access, location, species and so forth. For warmwater flies, think pink and green. I have caught tons of panfish on a variety of nymphs, wooly buggers and even tiny 1/32 oz pink jigs. Some folks tie a bit of hackle to these so it looks more like flyfishing My favorite and one of my most successful for ‘gills and crappie has been a sort of scud tied as follows: #12-14 3906 thread: tan body: light beige dubbing shell: three pieces of flashabou- one green and two iridescent rib: copper wire- about #36. Tie in the wire and flashabou strands. Dub on body. Pull flashabou forwards and tie off. Rib with wire and tie off. For bass, I like big deer hair mice and a sort of worm tied from a zonker strip (about 3-4" long) and some maribou on a #2 hook. –mike

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Paint Creek in Rochester. The Huron River out by Proud Lake Rec Area (this is already open, flys only- and when ya get done, you can go XC skiing- supposed to snow 2 night…doncha jus love Mich?…).

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I live in Downriver Detroit and love to travel to No. Mich. to fly fish for trout.  Unfortunately, it appears my travel budget will be seriously curtailed this summer.  Does anyone out there know of good streams or lakes in the metro area that are wader-accessible?  Fish species are unimportant.  Also, any guidance on flies for warmwater species will be appreciated.   Paul Wise

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I would agree that a stop by the BLUE RIBBON  is of benefit and that when in the Park you will be hard pressed not to have a good time all alone with their advice.  Now outside the Park a boat trip down a certain river … W.P. Mich

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Re: YNP guides I’ve been fishing the Park waters for 8 years. My father-in-law fished it for 40 years and was a great help, but I learned more with a guide for 1 day than you can imagine. If you fish trout waters only a few days a year the techniques are not familiar nor is the ability to read water. I have never had a shop there try to interest me in a guide! The stores can give you some idea of hatches, etc, but they will not usually send you where their guides will be fishing!! You can visit all the stores there and find that each one recommends a different fly for the same rivers. I still don’t think anything takes the place of good one on one help.

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I also have to agree with Phil.  I few years ago I went up on the madison river in Montana. We used a guide for one day and spent the rest of the trip fishing the river.  The things we learned in that one day made our trip a complete success.  If a person wants frustration, then don’t use the local resources. Bret

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Your all right about guides.  Look at what happened to the Madison and to Montana in general. The reason the Park river system isn’t in such bad shape is because the guides can’t not come and go as freely as they can else where. I may be wrong about these regulations Even today the folks at blue$$$$$$ribbon fly shop will never control their foot traffic into these delicate rivers.  These guides out of the shops only have two months to make the bucks.  Sorry If I’m too cynical, but having watched the "I’m only going to sell made in America flies"  to "send the hoardes down to Slide Inn"  come forth from the great blue $$$$$$ ribbon fly shop, I think some of these guides have cut their nose off spite their face.  Now we’ll have ten guides with two clients apeice flishing for 309 rainbows instead of 3,090/mile.  

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On my first trip to Montana, I was set up by the Firehole Ranch to fish the Yellowstone with a guide (oh, it costs extra?!…). I was not at all excited about fishing with another person, nor on the YS (thought I was already too good for that!), but listened to the advise and am glad I did. My fishing skills took a giant leap forward that day- the idea of fishing drys downstream had never seemed like a likely method ’til then- the idea of changing flies WITH PURPOSE took on a whole new meaning for me- fishing over the same fish over and over without spooking- finding likely spots on a river that BIG- I could go on…the learning experience was surprising, to say the least. I came out of there with a picture of me holding a 23" Cut, that was so close to shore, I would have walked right over him if it weren’t for my guide- sure, I never would have been that successful without the guide, but I now COULD be-  THANKS to him… I thought I was a hot-shot bad-ass trout sticker from Michigan, but once I saw how big the rivers were out there, I was simply overwhelmed. If you’re fishing there for the first time, you could certainly spend yer $200 in worse ways (like buying flies and not knowing where and how to effectively use them…). Lon C. Diehl Marysville, MI (I am embarrassed that I can’t drop the name of my guide here. He was from Last Chance, and had recently opened up a fly shop/guide service that I believe had "Last Chance" in the name- probably narrows it down to about 34 people, huh?!)

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Your all right about guides.   (stuff deleted)                        I think some of these guides have cut their nose off spite their face.  Now we’ll have ten guides with two clients apeice flishing for 309 rainbows instead of 3,090/mile.  

Are there too many guides in Montana? Are there too many fly fishermen for too few streams? Maybe so. But don’t blame the guides. They work damn dard for a living around here. If there are too many guides, perhaps the Fish & Game should stop issuing more licenses. But don’t blame an honest man for busting his ass, trying to put food on the table. Most of the guides I know are ski patrolmen and/or carpenters during the winter. Fishing guiding is good money for damned hard work. How many readers out there have any idea what it’s like to hand nail a wood shingle roof when it’s below zero, or what it’s like to finish concrete in the middle of the night, or what it’s like to pull on the oars for 85-out-of-90 12-14 hour days?  Everybody seems to think guides live the life of Reilly. I spent 20 years in Montana doing fishing guiding and construction work. And the construction work was the easier chore. —

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: Are there too many guides in Montana? Are there too many fly fishermen : for too few streams? Maybe so. But don’t blame the guides. They work : damn dard for a living around here.         I’d have to second that.  It reminds me of a lament heard         from an Idaho guide (we regularly use guides to learn about         new places).  While floating down some river, he for some         reason got to talking about the stress in his life.  My reaction         was something like the one Sandy painted:  Stress?  I certainly         know that guides work long hours, dawn ’til dusk, then it’s fix         the boat, mend the tackle, and tie some flies.  But stress? Sure         you do!         Turns out, though, that it’s true, at least for him.  Seems         that we sports have this idea that if we pay $200/day for a         guide we ought to catch some fish.  Some can, some can’t.         Think about places like the Railroad Ranch, where the fish         have seen it all.  Float an emerger by them and the most         common trout reaction is probably something like, "Hmmmmmmm,         handsome tie," unless you get it *just right*.         Until the sport has caught the first fish or two, life is         stressful.  We tend to be pretty philosophical about things,         having had great days and horrible days, and we tip just the         same for both.  But I have a feeling that this may not be a         universal behavior. Hewlett-Packard Laboratories                     Phone: (970) 229-3531 Research Grants Program                            FAX: (970) 229-6198 3404 East Harmony Road Fort Collins, CO 80525-9599

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