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In A River Runs Through It, Norm Maclean writes: * all good things – trout as well as eternal salvation – come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy * I hate that quote. That quote always makes me cringe.  Either Maclean’s dad was not well versed in Calvinist theology or Maclean is misquoting his father.

On the contrary, Calvinist theology holds that salvation is attained by deeds as well as faith. That strikes me as a theology tailor made for fishermen. Catholic and Lutheran fishermen think faith will see them through the day. Calvinist fishermen know they have to work at it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In A River Runs Through It, Norm Maclean writes: * all good things – trout as well as eternal salvation – come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy * I hate that quote. That quote always makes me cringe.  Either Maclean’s dad was not well versed in Calvinist theology or Maclean is misquoting his father. On the contrary, Calvinist theology holds that salvation is attained by deeds as well as faith. That strikes me as a theology tailor made for fishermen. Catholic and Lutheran fishermen think faith will see them through the day. Calvinist fishermen know they have to work at it.

What about the Hobbesian fishermen?  Now, wait, before anyone pooh-poohs this out of hand, hear me out…"This one’s tricky. You have to use imaginary numbers, like eleventeen…" <  G R "…If something is so complicated that you can’t explain it in 10 seconds, then it’s probably not worth knowing anyway…"

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In A River Runs Through It, Norm Maclean writes: * all good things – trout as well as eternal salvation – come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy * I hate that quote. That quote always makes me cringe.  Either Maclean’s dad was not well versed in Calvinist theology or Maclean is misquoting his father. On the contrary, Calvinist theology holds that salvation is attained by deeds as well as faith. That strikes me as a theology tailor made for fishermen. Catholic and Lutheran fishermen think faith will see them through the day. Calvinist fishermen know they have to work at it.

I don’t really want to go here, BUT, you have it exactly opposite. Catholics, in particular, REQUIRE you to actively participate in sacraments in order to obtain "grace".  I’m not sure about Lutherans. See: http://www.planetkc.com/puritan/beck_5pt.htm specifically points 2 and 4. Rob

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I don’t really want to go here, BUT, you have it exactly opposite.

Doesn’t matter. It’s all baloney. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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On the contrary, Calvinist theology holds that salvation is attained by deeds as well as faith.

Actually, the deeds are supposed to be one of the manifestations of faith. A high "value" is placed on deeds in Calvinist doctrine but deeds are not required for the attainment of salvation.  The part that rankles about the quote is that grace refers to a gift that is freely given.  Not something that can come by art, whatever art is. Mu

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On the contrary, Calvinist theology holds that salvation is attained by deeds as well as faith.

As I understand it, Calvin taught that one’s eternal fate was determined BEFORE his birth.  The "Elect" had been chosen by God to spend eternity with Him in heaven.  The rest would perish. No one could change is fate in any way. vince norris

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Rob, It is Grace alone for Lutherans. Crusty

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… In A River Runs Through It, Norm Maclean writes: * all good things – trout as well as eternal salvation – come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy * I hate that quote. That quote always makes me cringe.  Either Maclean’s dad was not well versed in Calvinist theology or Maclean is misquoting his father. On the contrary, Calvinist theology holds that salvation is attained by deeds as well as faith. That strikes me as a theology tailor made for fishermen. Catholic and Lutheran fishermen think faith will see them through the day. Calvinist fishermen know they have to work at it. I don’t really want to go here, BUT, you have it exactly opposite. Catholics, in particular, REQUIRE you to actively participate in sacraments in order to obtain "grace".  I’m not sure about Lutherans. See: http://www.planetkc.com/puritan/beck_5pt.htm specifically points 2 and 4. Rob

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In A River Runs Through It, Norm Maclean writes: * all good things – trout as well as eternal salvation – come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy * I hate that quote. That quote always makes me cringe.  Either Maclean’s dad was not well versed in Calvinist theology or Maclean is misquoting his father.

Before I read farther about the father, what do you think the quote should have been? This, I find interesting Mu.  What is ‘the why of it?’ George Gehrke

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In A River Runs Through It, Norm Maclean writes: * all good things – trout as well as eternal salvation – come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy * I hate that quote. That quote always makes me cringe.  Either Maclean’s dad was not well versed in Calvinist theology or Maclean is misquoting his father. On the contrary, Calvinist theology holds that salvation is attained by deeds as well as faith. That strikes me as a theology tailor made for fishermen. Catholic and Lutheran fishermen think faith will see them through the day. Calvinist fishermen know they have to work at it.

—  Hum? gg

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On the contrary, Calvinist theology holds that salvation is attained by deeds as well as faith. Actually, the deeds are supposed to be one of the manifestations of faith. A high "value" is placed on deeds in Calvinist doctrine but deeds are not required for the attainment of salvation.  The part that rankles about the quote is that grace refers to a gift that is freely given.  Not something that can come by art, whatever art is. Mu

Now I have a handle on what rankles you Mu. The Metronome, casting to a three count beat is where the beginning of his thoughts are rooted from.  The explaination is simple if one has the insight to the father who the two son’s learned much from. Practice, makes perfect. George Gehrke "and for me, this explains fly fishing rather well" Three words, the same as the ticking Metronome. And for the record, I include Grace, for study and review. grace (gr

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DITTO!…’cept my vest got heisted outta my van last week and you guessed, the reel was in my vest…….john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mark, I have an old Pfluger Medallist and the clicker broke. After using it like that for a while I decided I liked it better without the noise and never tried to fix it. Ernie Harrison Keep Livestock Away From Our Rivers and Streams. I was fishing today (no I haven’t caught anything yet) and my reel broke. It was a cheap combo, 6.5 ft setup that only cost me $23 anyway (yeah guys, I just switched the line over to it this morning from that old Pfleuger Medallist I talked about in a previous post!), but I didn’t want to move up to a better outfit until I started to catch some fish and felt confident in selecting a better rod. Unfortunately with the reel breaking (the metal ring that holds the clicker in place broke off, <snip

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<snipped Hi Jim, This is one hell of a gesture of good faith. It reminds me of a story one of my local fly shop owners once told me. He was just leaving the stream one morning to go open his shop when he came across another fisherman who had just broken his rod and was upset. The shop owner just handed him his rod without even thinking about it and told him where the shop was so that he may return the $600-800 dollar rod and reel. After getting to the shop he realized that he’d just given his rod to a complete stranger. The guy did return the rod and reel later that day and said that he’d had a great day on the water. Darin

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One of the best "starter" sets I’ve seen is the L.L. Bean Quest.  The only thing that might need replacing is the line that comes with it.  These come in around $110-$120.  My personal opinion is that if you keep buying the really low end stuff you soon could have bought something better. L. Baird

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Mark- gosh you sure don’t lack for enthusiasm and persistance!!! From you previous post "Need more help" I surmise that you are now left with 1.  A 8.5 ft 6 wt rod 2.  A 6.5 ft 4/5 wt rod 3.  Probably a 6 wt line that was on the Pflueger Medalist before you switched it over to the smaller reel that self destructed. 4.  That you were having trouble casting the 6.5 ft setup. Several thoughts.  First, it is quite possible that you are overpowering the 4/5 wt rod by using, what I would imagine was a 6 wt line on the Pflueger.  This may explain your casting frustrations. Second, as to your reel problem.  I’ll make you a deal- Email me your mailing address and I’ll loan you a new Cabela’s Graphite Reel for 5/6 wt line under the following conditions.  You must return it in whatever condition it might be in after use if you either loose interest and stop fly fishing or, more likely, you catch a fish on a fly and become an instant gear whore – resulting in a condition that will leave you not batting an eye before ordering that $170.00 combo – and that’s just for starters.  After you move up in quality you will no longer need the Cabela- in fact , may even look down your nose at it.  But return it anyway so that I can pass it on again.  Deal?? I’d suggest that you load the 6 wt line on this reel and match it with the 8.5 ft 6 wt rod.  This will give you a more balanced rig and, if you are still fishing those small streams, allow you to roll cast all day long, with the added benefit of being able to get to larger waters and more windy conditions later. Regards, Jim McCreary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I was fishing today (no I haven’t caught anything yet) and my reel broke. It was a cheap combo, 6.5 ft setup that only cost me $23 anyway (yeah guys, I just switched the line over to it this morning from that old Pfleuger Medallist I talked about in a previous post!), but I didn’t want to move up to a better outfit until I started to catch some fish and felt confident in selecting a better rod. Unfortunately with the reel breaking (the metal ring that holds the clicker in place broke off, I suppose I might be able to figure some way of glueing another piece of metal in there but it wouldn’t hold), I need to get a new one. I was just looking through the cabela website and noticed all of the inexpensive combo sets they have. If I had the cash, I would have just gone ahead and gotten the Orvis Clearwater combo from the local Orvis store for $159, but I really don’t feel comfortable spending that much as of yet (though I do have the itch!). My question is: Has anyone ever used/purchased one of the combos found on cabelas website like the Scientific Angler, Cabelas Letort, or the Pfleuger Medallist combo (though at only $29.95 I’m a bit hesitant to go with the Pfleuger combo). Any other combos worth taking a look at for under $75? Or should I just put out the dough for either the Cortland from Cabelas at approx $160 or the Orvis Clearwater combo for $160? Any suggestions would be appreciated. I would just buy an Orvis Clearwater reel ($29) to match my present rod, but the rod is only 6.5 ft and is tough to cast for a beginner. Thanks One more thing: has anyone here used/purchased the $159 Orvis Clearwater combo? What do you think?

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Mark, I suppose I might be able to figure some way of glueing another piece of metal in there but it wouldn’t hold), I need to get a new one.

If you want to keep things as cheap as possible until you’re catching fish, why not try exchanging the broken reel at the store from which you bought it? Has anyone ever used/purchased one of the combos found on cabelas website like the Scientific Angler, Cabelas Letort, or the Pfleuger Medallist combo (though at only $29.95 I’m a bit hesitant to go with the Pfleuger combo). Any other combos worth taking a look at for under $75?

I’ve not purchased any rods from Cabelas, but that’s only because I build my own rods.  However, I _have_ purchased one of their Cahill II reels ($39) and it’s just fine.  It ain’t as pretty as my Lamsons, and its click drag is a little noisy, but it’s a solid, functional, lightweight, all-metal reel.  No complaints.  My wife and I also bought their Gore-Tex wading jackets and they are superb. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy anything from Cabelas because they have a "satisfaction guaranteed" policy. Cabelas new Christmas Catalog has what may be a HOT opportunity: A Scientific Anglers Concept Combo on sale for $49.95 (pg 268, item # LK-31-1295).  That’s about what you’d pay for a decent line alone! Hey, if you don’t like it, send it back.  If you do, but eventually "outgrow" it, you’ll have a decent "loaner" for a buddy. Wes Peterson LexCraft Data Services

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says… I was fishing today (no I haven’t caught anything yet) and my reel broke.

Dude that sucks no matter how cheap the reel is… I can certainly empathize. It was a cheap combo, 6.5 ft setup that only cost me $23 anyway (yeah guys, I just switched the line over to it this morning from that old Pfleuger Medallist I talked about in a previous post!), but I didn’t want to move up to a better outfit until I started to catch some fish and felt confident in selecting a better rod.

Rod aside, the one thing I learned is that a changeable reel is good! you can prespool various line types for different conditions. The trick is picking the reel… Read on…  Unfortunately with the reel breaking (the metal ring that holds the clicker in place broke off, I suppose I might be able to figure some way of glueing another piece of metal in there but it wouldn’t hold), I need to get a new one. I was just looking through the cabela website and noticed all of the inexpensive combo sets they have. If I had the cash, I would have just gone ahead and gotten the Orvis Clearwater combo from the local Orvis store for $159, but I really don’t feel comfortable spending that much as of yet (though I do have the itch!). My question is:

Ok, So my two cents are: Look for USED gear. I know I am beginning to sound like an add for the place but the Sporting Gentleman in Media had used gear. A buddy picked up a nice fenwick reel with a spare spool for $35! Aside from a little missing paint the reel was wonderful! I am know I am gonna start looking at this avenue to build up my arsenal. After all I don;t need no name brand or flashy gear. I wanna catch fish! — Michael Era

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A friend sent me ‘ The Top 15 Unforeseen Side-Effects of the Y2K Bug’ which I found rather amusing and I have included them herein, for your perusal. Thise got me to thinking along fishing lines, what will fishing be like in the future?  I’ve only read one short story (sci-fi) about fly fishing, a little ditty called "Ring Trout."  What do you think we can expect? ‘Laser Lines’ that parboil the fish automatically or make for a ‘laser’ guided cast?  Genetically engineered or fish that are otherwise raised to be harder to catch? (Remember my ‘trout swatter idea?) Fish tags with tracking devices to really catch ‘the big one?’ I need some help here fellows, it’s starting to keep me awake…….john              [  The Top 5 List   www.topfive.com  ]              [   Copyright 1999 by Chris White    ] 15 Computer glitch at People Magazine makes Dom DeLuise the     "Sexiest Man Alive!" 14 No power failures, no mass hysteria, but from January 1st on,     everyone’s toast is just a little bit burnt. 13 "Suddenly Susan" suddenly funny. 12 Their computers thwarted, the public library will finally get     their 12-year-overdue copy of "Our Bodies, Our Selves" back     and I… er, my friend won’t have to pay a penny in late fees! 11 Several thousand Internet start-ups simultaneously and     inexplicably turn a profit. 10 World falls under the iron fist of Amish overlords. 9 All "2000 Flushes" toilet bowl sanitizers simultaneously     detonate, causing a "Blue Butt" epidemic in trailer parks     across the US. 8 While speaking at a fund-raiser, Al Gore malfunctions and     shuts down in mid-sentence. 7 Overnight, CompUSA becomes "Crazy Larry’s Liquidation Center." 6 Strom Thurmond starts to receive free birthday ice-cream cones     at Baskin-Robbins. 5 "Student Loan?  No, I’m pretty sure I paid that in full     last month." 4 With all the rioting and looting, your reclusive neighbor     Chuck can finally roam the streets relatively unnoticed in     his halter top and buttless chaps. 3 "First-rate Hunter-gatherer" now a key resume bullet. 2 President Clinton’s January issue of "Hustler" is accidentally     sent to ex-president William McKinley. and Topfive.com’s Number 1 Unforeseen Side-Effect of the Y2K Bug… 1 McDonald’s faces a rash of lawsuits when out-of-work COBOL     programmers begin dumping hot coffee into their laps to     make ends meet.              [  The Top 5 List   www.topfive.com  ]              [   Copyright 1999 by Chris White    ]

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A friend sent me ‘ The Top 15 Unforeseen Side-Effects of the Y2K Bug’ which I found rather amusing and I have included them herein, for your perusal. Thise got me to thinking along fishing lines, what will fishing be like in the future?  I’ve only read one short story (sci-fi) about fly fishing, a little ditty called "Ring Trout."  What do you think we can expect? ‘Laser Lines’ that parboil the fish automatically or make for a ‘laser’ guided cast?  Genetically engineered or fish that are otherwise raised to be harder to catch? (Remember my ‘trout swatter idea?) Fish tags with tracking devices to really catch ‘the big one?’ I need some help here fellows, it’s starting to keep me awake…….john

"Hey Joe, you got anything ?".  "Sure have, just managed to hack into Fish and Games tracking satellite net, three salmon are due in within the next two days".  "Gee, thats great, havent seen a salmon for years, you think we have a chance at them".  "Sure do, just upgraded my $rvis magnetic fish implant tracking device, if one of those mothers gets within ten miles of us we

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Hi all I have an unexpected opportunity to take a two week vacation in Alaska during the last half of June.  This trip was not planned so I have not done my usual home work. I am looking for recommendations on places to visit, unique places to eat, must see places or things to do and recommended places to camp. I would like to confine my vacation to an area of about 300 mi. radius around Anchorage.

300 Miles?  That’s a LOT of territory, and you would be hard-pressed to see it all in two weeks, unless you have access to a helicopter and unlimited fuel. Let’s see…. In Anchorage itself, you’ll want to try to get up to Elmendorf AFB to the museum there — if it’s still there.  It’s small, but it’s interesting.   There should also be a muesum out at the University campus. Do you enjoy walking?  Take a stroll down 4th Avenue.  Lots of shops to visit. I just started paging through my copy of The Milepost (information on everything and everywhere in Alaska) and saw about 30 or so pages of stuff about Anchorage itself, much less the stuff for 300 miles around.  Check with your local bookstore and order a copy.  Be sure to take it with you! — — //Steve// Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS Home Page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs AOL IM:    "MSF Steve"

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Also just to let you know there is a marathon in Anchorage on June 19 — should be lots of people there from All over. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all I have an unexpected opportunity to take a two week vacation in Alaska during the last half of June.  This trip was not planned so I have not done my usual home work. I am looking for recommendations on places to visit, unique places to eat, must see places or things to do and recommended places to camp. I would like to confine my vacation to an area of about 300 mi. radius around Anchorage. 300 Miles?  That’s a LOT of territory, and you would be hard-pressed to see it all in two weeks, unless you have access to a helicopter and unlimited fuel. Let’s see…. In Anchorage itself, you’ll want to try to get up to Elmendorf AFB to the museum there — if it’s still there.  It’s small, but it’s interesting. There should also be a muesum out at the University campus. Do you enjoy walking?  Take a stroll down 4th Avenue.  Lots of shops to visit. I just started paging through my copy of The Milepost (information on everything and everywhere in Alaska) and saw about 30 or so pages of stuff about Anchorage itself, much less the stuff for 300 miles around.  Check with your local bookstore and order a copy.  Be sure to take it with you! — — //Steve// Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS Home Page: http://home1.gte.net/kb6ojs AOL IM:    "MSF Steve"

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Alaska has many state parks with reasonable rates ($8-15) per night – but don’t expect to have water and elec at the site – just woods, water and wildlife!  There are RV parks – you know the kind that resemble the parking lots at Sea World type of places and charge plenty!  I lived in Anchorage for most of 5 years and some in Valdez and still bought a Milepost to travel and sightsee (1-800-726-4707) If I knew more info, maybe I could help more. Are you camping with a self sufficient RV? Are you renting locally? Are you interested in native culture? Do you want to hunt and fish unguided? Are you "into" shopping? for what type of items? How physically active are you? DO NOT FEED THE WILDLIFE!!! I think the Milepost is the most comprehensive guide for Alaska and recommend that you get one in advance and let it help with your itinerary. Be prepared for mucho tourist traffic and tall tales by the local folks… Barbara "The herd may graze where it pleases, but she who lives the adventurous life will remain unafraid when she finds herself alone." (slightly modified)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi all I have an unexpected opportunity to take a two week vacation in Alaska during the last half of June.  This trip was not planned so I have not done my usual home work. I am looking for recommendations on places to visit, unique places to eat, must see places or things to do and recommended places to camp. I would like to confine my vacation to an area of about 300 mi. radius around Anchorage. Mac

A couple of years ago we did an exploratory trip to Alaska.  We flew into Anchorage, rented a car and drove down to Seward where you can go ocean fishing or take sightseeing boats to the Kenai (take the one that goes the farthest). Then we drove up to Denali.  Took the evening bus trip into the park.  I do not know if we were just lucky, but saw tons of moose, bear, and other wildlife.  (Same on ocean cruise to Kenai Fjords: 3 kinds of whale, tons of birds, and sea life sunning on the rocks.  Had been on two ocean cruises off Maine and never saw a whale or a puffin.  My wife was ecstatic!) Did a circuit around Fairbanks and Tok.  Lots of miles.  Some sites. Liked the gold stuff around Fairbanks, but the Independence Mine between Willow and Wasilla is great too.  Great site seeing on the road east from Palmer, as well as south from Anchorage.  The gold panning in Fairbanks is nice.  Not sure I would recommend the riverboat in Fairbanks tho, too touristy. Drove and stayed at B & B’s.  Could have rented a motorhome for the same price.  Either way, you definitely need reservations in Seward and Denali.  Most of the other places, you should be able to find facilities when you drive in. Enjoy. jb —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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Hi all I have an unexpected opportunity to take a two week vacation in Alaska during the last half of June.  This trip was not planned so I have not done my usual home work. I am looking for recommendations on places to visit, unique places to eat, must see places or things to do and recommended places to camp. I would like to confine my vacation to an area of about 300 mi. radius around Anchorage. Mac

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You’ve "lucked" into one of the very best times to visit our area, although one of the busiest times too!  I live here so haven’t "camped" much.  It’s so hard to recommend anything without knowing more about you.  How adventurous are you?  There is some very wild river rafting on Six Mile Creek into Hope, rock climbing in the Chugach mountains, etc.  Flightseeing trips that circle Denali or that fly over the glaciers are great.  The Kenai Fjords out of Seward offer a big boat tour, sailing charters, or kayaking. I like to visit Exit Glacier when I go to Seward (not too far off the road and a short, easy trail to the glacier face or an arduous trail to the snow fields above the glacier).  Like to fish, try Homer or Ninilchik fishing charters both a different experience.  The Kenai river offers a chance at some Kings (very LARGE ones) or you can charter a rainbow trout float trip on the upper river (one of my favorites).  I like the Double Musky in Girdwood for unique dining, The White Spot in downtown Anchorage for a good "greasy burger".  Summit Lodge halfway between Anchorage and Soldotna is a good place to stretch your legs and fill your tummy.  They have good pies too.  Sorry, to run on here, reserve a rental car early as they can disappear fast in June, enjoy. Sharon   I have an unexpected opportunity to take a two week vacation in Alaska   I am looking for recommendations on places to visit, unique places to eat, must see places or things to do and recommended places to camp. I would like to confine my vacation to an area of about 300 mi. radius around

Anchorage.

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I am planning a trip to the Bahamas in February.  I would like to know the proper procedure for checking into Bahamian waters and the procedures for documenting animals on board. Also the names of any good marinas would be appreciated. Thanks, John

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Bahamas in February.  I would like to know the proper procedure for checking into Bahamian waters and the procedures for documenting animals on board. Also the names of any good marinas would be appreciated.

Everything (and more) can be found at:     http://www.bluewaterweb.com/ Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat (Remove BOAT) http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/sideline/8620

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Spring for a copy of the Yachtsmans Guide To The Bahamas by Meredith Fields (?).  It’s a very useful book for planning your cruise and finding your way around. What part(s) of the Bahamas are you going to?  (It’s a BIG place) I am planning a trip to the Bahamas in February.  I would like to know the proper procedure for checking into Bahamian waters and the procedures for documenting animals on board. Also the names of any good marinas would be appreciated. Thanks, John

Steve Kuiper, CPA Steve Kuiper & Co., P.A. Altamonte Springs, FL

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February.  I would like to know the proper procedure for checking into Bahamian waters and the procedures for documenting animals on board. Also the names of any good marinas would be appreciated. CruisingSailor.com  has a lot of free info in the  free World Cruising Guide, East Coast of US, Bahamas section.

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I am planning a trip to the Bahamas in February.  I would like to know the proper procedure for checking into Bahamian waters and the procedures for documenting animals on board. Also the names of any good marinas would be appreciated. Thanks, John

Fly your yellow quaranteen flag when you enter Bahamian waters and keep it up until you clear. Most marinas will allow you to tie up while you clear. In fact many will call customs for you.  You can go ashore with all the paper work but your crew must stay on board until the boat is cleared. You may want to get a fishing licence at the same time! You are supposed to obtain a permit for your pet before you arrive.  Rabies shots must be a month old and less than a year old. I have heard of those arriving with just a Rabies and Health Cert being allowed to fill in the forms but don’t count on it.  If you call the Freeport Animal Clinic and ask nicely, they may fax you the forms wich include instructions on how to complete the documentation. This is then sent to Nassau and I think you are supposed to receive something back.  Take copies of all this before you send it off as you may never get a reply!  At least you have something to show when you arrive. The Lucayan Marina at Freeport is world class! have a nice trip! .   Lyman K Duggan   Naval electonics inc   6717 Benjamin Road   Tampa Florida 33634 –Marine TV Antenna Systems– (813) 885 6091 fax 885 3789   http://www.naval.com

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Has anyone fished the Resica Falls section lately?  How are the conditions?

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soupy…  An occasional fish at first and last light, or so I’m told.  This isn’t really a trout stream imho.  But it sure is purty…:)

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I will be visiting Bushkills PA next week and was looking for any suggestions about where to go flyfishing while there (a good way to find some quality time to "escape" from the family reunion!) I am happy with either trout or bass waters, might bring my canoe if it seems worth it. Ideally, a stream or river with trout would be nice. Thanks Steve

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Hi, The Annapolis River up here just got through it’s shad run which is still very good. had a lient down from ontario, he ot 3 fish in a couple of hours using clouser minnows. We like the chartruese ones, but others would probably work…. Bill — Bill Curry Tight Lines Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia, Canada Phone or Fax :  902-656-3329 http://www.tightlines.ns.ca

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Hi, The Annapolis River up here just got through it’s shad run which is still very good. Had a client down from Ontario, he got 3 fish in a couple of hours using clouser minnows. We like the chartruese ones, but others would probably work…. Bill — Bill Curry Tight Lines Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia, Canada Phone or Fax :  902-656-3329 http://www.tightlines.ns.ca

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I used to religously fish the American River (Sailor Bar/Nimbus) area in mid to late June for shad (pre-kids). Now that the kids are getting older I’m hoping to get back into it again. We used to use a fly similar to the Crazy Charlie Bonefish Fly – bead eyes, chartruese tail and silver/pearl foil bodies. Anyone out there using the latest and greatest that would be willing to share trade secrets? and/or any recommendations for guides in the same area? Thanks

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Michael: I like to fish for shad along the Sacramento River at Willows and in Chico. There a fly shop in Chico, the Powell Fly shop I believe, that has good information on how the run is progressing.     The flys are fairly simple, chartruese, pink, red, white and silver are good colors and use either bead heads or bead eyes.  Mix and match the tail and body colors. The reports this year have been dissapointing, too much water that is too cold and off color for any good fishing.  If you want more info re flys feel free to e-mail me. Chis Brown – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used to religously fish the American River (Sailor Bar/Nimbus) area in mid to late June for shad (pre-kids). Now that the kids are getting older I’m hoping to get back into it again. We used to use a fly similar to the Crazy Charlie Bonefish Fly – bead eyes, chartruese tail and silver/pearl foil bodies. Anyone out there using the latest and greatest that would be willing to share trade secrets? and/or any recommendations for guides in the same area? Thanks

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: I used to religously fish the American River (Sailor Bar/Nimbus) area in : mid to late June for shad (pre-kids). Now that the kids are getting : older I’m hoping to get back into it again. We used to use a fly similar : to the Crazy Charlie Bonefish Fly – bead eyes, chartruese tail and : silver/pearl foil bodies. Anyone out there using the latest and greatest : that would be willing to share trade secrets? and/or any recommendations : for guides in the same area? I have caught them on small chartreuse and white clousers in the Merrimack River in Massachusettes.

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Hello TMR, I went out to Upper Sunrise (just below Sailor Bar) a couple of nights ago: the water is still cold and I did not see any fish working.  Sahd fishing is one of the great early summer fishing opportunities along the American.  The fish fight well and they CAN be caught in numbers if conditions are right.  A Crazy Charlie will work, but there are some standard pink, green, and white shad flies that seem to be regularly used on the Sac.  Most fly shops have a good selection , but if you tie your own they are very easy.  I have heard the fish are in the river, but conditions may have to warm before they start taking flys. Good luck JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used to religously fish the American River (Sailor Bar/Nimbus) area in mid to late June for shad (pre-kids). Now that the kids are getting older I’m hoping to get back into it again. We used to use a fly similar to the Crazy Charlie Bonefish Fly – bead eyes, chartruese tail and silver/pearl foil bodies. Anyone out there using the latest and greatest that would be willing to share trade secrets? and/or any recommendations for guides in the same area? Thanks

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Sure wish I could give you updated info….however, I have fond memories of my younger days when I would flyfish for Shad with my dad and brother.  At that time, the Eel River had good Shad runs and we lived just fifteen minutes from the river (if you drove quickly).  We caught lots of Shad in those days.  Today, the Eel River (like many) are mere shadows of their former selves.  I suppose there are Shad runs….but I have yet to see one myself during the last several years.  The Sacramento River is still a bright spot for Shad, I’m told.  As to flies…we used sizes from tens to fours…usually with silver bead eyes and white, pink or red hackle, silver body, red tail.  We’d tie variations, but the size seemed to be the most important and the depth at which you fished. Barry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I used to religously fish the American River (Sailor Bar/Nimbus) area in mid to late June for shad (pre-kids). Now that the kids are getting older I’m hoping to get back into it again. We used to use a fly similar to the Crazy Charlie Bonefish Fly – bead eyes, chartruese tail and silver/pearl foil bodies. Anyone out there using the latest and greatest that would be willing to share trade secrets? and/or any recommendations for guides in the same area? Thanks

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Tue, 26 May 1998 in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, T.Michael Reinhart I used to religously fish the American River (Sailor Bar/Nimbus) area in mid to late June for shad (pre-kids). Now that the kids are getting older I’m hoping to get back into it again. We used to use a fly similar to the Crazy Charlie Bonefish Fly – bead eyes, chartruese tail and silver/pearl foil bodies. Anyone out there using the latest and greatest that would be willing to share trade secrets? and/or any recommendations for guides in the same area?

Which species are these?  I caught a few Allis Shad (Alosa Alosa) in the River Wye, South Wales, last week (in from the Atlantic).  Very rare in the UK and therefore a protected species.  Caught them on all sorts of trout flies – nothing special.  What fighters!  Knowing that I had to release them I was worried about catching more – they just fought too hard… — Phil Jones

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Does anyone have any place they recommend avoiding in the Bahamas for one reason or another… safety? crowds? pollution? Thanks! Patrick

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Does anyone have any place they recommend avoiding in the Bahamas for one reason or another… safety? crowds? pollution?

Nassau, for the three reasons mentioned. — DAVe & Skoshi, ‘69 Stamas 26′ http://personal.mia.bellsouth.net/mia/d/r/drsi/

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Does anyone have any place they recommend avoiding in the Bahamas for one reason or another… safety? crowds? pollution?

How ’bout that endless expanse of white sand gliding by just inches below your keel…  Y’know, The Bottom.  Definitely, avoid the bottom.

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I will NEVER go back to Nassau! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have any place they recommend avoiding in the Bahamas for one reason or another… safety? crowds? pollution? How ’bout that endless expanse of white sand gliding by just inches below your keel…  Y’know, The Bottom.  Definitely, avoid the bottom.

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Does anyone have any place they recommend avoiding in the Bahamas for one reason or another… safety? crowds? pollution? Thanks! Patrick

Nassau for sure!

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The northernmost Abacos seemed a tad dreary… of course it’s all relative; fishermen find Walker’s Cay a piscatorial paradise- scuba & beachcombing too. Norman’s Cay was a smuggling hotspot in the ’80s, but appears to be under control… now pilots fly there for fishing, scuba & gourmet food, not ‘business’.  Bimini & points south ditto. When cruising anywhere truly remote, tho, a bit of disgression is a good idea. Trimtab Does anyone have any place they recommend avoiding in the Bahamas for one reason or another… safety? crowds? pollution? Thanks! Patrick

Before you buy.

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All the places I go

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<snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a case of advice that is misguided, and when one generalizes with "Never", they are failing to consider that numerous "lake" type vessels have made quite successful voyages to and through the Bahamas, simply by selecting the weather conditions appropriate to their vessel.  Obviously when a norther is blowing against the Stream, or the winter trades are at their best, even well found cruising designs find it wiser to remain in port, but to simply recommend against this voyage under any conditions, is to be out of touch with the reality of what frequently occurs with great success.  Pick your weather, ang go!  With the shoal draft, and large accomodations, a house boat can be a wonderful cruising design for the Bahamas, with the obvious necessity to carry adequate fuel. Good Cruising, 73 — Sean Holland NP2AU S/V Spindrift

You know in all the posts on this subject, nobody has thought to ask our intrepid boater just how fast his houseboat can go.  If he can wring 20kts out of it wihtout straining, it’s only a 2.5 or 3 hour crossing … more than enough time if he waits for the weather.  He can strap a liferaaft to the stern, tank up with gas, turn on his GPS, get out his charts and be in the Bahamas in time for lunch if he starts out at 0830!  The posters talking about leaving at night in order to get to port at the destination in the daylight are talking about doing 5 or 6 kts, not 15 or 20. If he really wants to know, he should take the boat offshore a ways to see how it reacts in ocean swells in the kind of weather he wants to cross in.  If he has trouble, he can head back; if he isn’t intent on crossing, he’ll head back anyway.  You’ll never know until you try it. Colin S.

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There are houseboats in the Virgin Islands and I’m sure they weren’t built there.

Sure there are; and they may have island hopped in good weather to get there.  Or they may have come as deck cargo on a freighter. I’m not trying to rain on your parade; but safety comes first, for both you and your crew. You worked hard all your life to enjoy your retirement.  Don’t become a U.S. Coast Guard statistic. Jim Md.

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Previously in response to a request for info on taking a house boat to the Bahamas someone said: You’re pushing the envelope friend.  In no case should a houseboat be taken offshore.   If you want to go to the Bahamas, buy an airline ticket. There are houseboats in the Virgin Islands and I’m sure they weren’t built there.

This is a case of advice that is misguided, and when one generalizes with "Never", they are failing to consider that numerous "lake" type vessels have made quite successful voyages to and through the Bahamas, simply by selecting the weather conditions appropriate to their vessel.  Obviously when a norther is blowing against the Stream, or the winter trades are at their best, even well found cruising designs find it wiser to remain in port, but to simply recommend against this voyage under any conditions, is to be out of touch with the reality of what frequently occurs with great success.  Pick your weather, ang go!  With the shoal draft, and large accomodations, a house boat can be a wonderful cruising design for the Bahamas, with the obvious necessity to carry adequate fuel. Good Cruising, 73 — Sean Holland NP2AU S/V Spindrift

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This is a case of advice that is misguided, and when one generalizes with "Never", they are failing to consider that numerous "lake" type vessels have made quite successful voyages to and through the Bahamas, simply by selecting the weather conditions appropriate to their vessel.  Obviously when a norther is blowing against the Stream, or the winter trades are at their best, even well found cruising designs find it wiser to remain in port, but to simply recommend against this voyage under any conditions, is to be out of touch with the reality of what frequently occurs with great success.  Pick your weather, ang go!  With the shoal draft, and large accomodations, a house boat can be a wonderful cruising design for the Bahamas, with the obvious necessity to carry adequate fuel.

I agree that is is silly, if not rude, to tell a prospective motor boater or sailer to "buy an airplane ticket," but I still think that taking a houseboat across the Gulf Stream is, well, not smart.  To cross the stream under the best conditions, one must leave Florida in the evening in order to cross the bar at Bimini or go into the canal at Grand Bahama in daylight (and don’t Bahamas’ customs rules require daylight entry?)  Not all water-borne hazard will be spotted at night, and for an inexperienced captain, large cargo ships can be a real hazard; a flat bottom houseboat is not the vessel for maneouvering in shipping lanes. Also, the weather can never be predicted with the kind of reliability that would allow one to cross the Gulf Stream in a houseboat, particularly in winter, the main crusing time; and again, the deep water passages between the westerly cays and Nassau require better.   That "lake type sailboats" often venture to the Bahamas succesfully is merely an argument by ancedote, and so a dangerous one.  There are many, many, many cruisers anchored (right now!) in Elizabeth Harbor, off Georgetown, who got there on sheer luck alone.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is a case of advice that is misguided, and when one generalizes with "Never", they are failing to consider that numerous "lake" type vessels have made quite successful voyages to and through the Bahamas, simply by selecting the weather conditions appropriate to their vessel.  Obviously when a norther is blowing against the Stream, or the winter trades are at their best, even well found cruising designs find it wiser to remain in port, but to simply recommend against this voyage under any conditions, is to be out of touch with the reality of what frequently occurs with great success.  Pick your weather, ang go!  With the shoal draft, and large accomodations, a house boat can be a wonderful cruising design for the Bahamas, with the obvious necessity to carry adequate fuel. I agree that is is silly, if not rude, to tell a prospective motor boater or sailer to "buy an airplane ticket," but I still think that taking a houseboat across the Gulf Stream is, well, not smart.  To cross the stream under the best conditions, one must leave Florida in the evening in order to cross the bar at Bimini or go into the canal at Grand Bahama in daylight (and don’t Bahamas’ customs rules require daylight entry?)  Not all water-borne hazard will be spotted at night, and for an inexperienced captain, large cargo ships can be a real hazard; a flat bottom houseboat is not the vessel for maneouvering in shipping lanes. Also, the weather can never be predicted with the kind of reliability that would allow one to cross the Gulf Stream in a houseboat, particularly in winter, the main crusing time; and again, the deep water passages between the westerly cays and Nassau require better. That "lake type sailboats" often venture to the Bahamas succesfully is merely an argument by ancedote, and so a dangerous one.  There are many, many, many cruisers anchored (right now!) in Elizabeth Harbor, off Georgetown, who got there on sheer luck alone.

Another opinion:  A few years ago those of us who made 5 knots or less felt we should cross at night, so that if we missed the Bahamas altogether we would have all day to find the island we were looking for.  With GPS that is no longer necessary.  Easiest crossing is 50 NM from Lake Worth to West End  on Grand Bahama Island.  Anchor in Lake Worth until you are sure of settled weather with wind from the west.  I have waited as long as 10 days for the right conditions.  There will be other boats waiting out weather.  Often a group of boats cross together.  It is a comfort to cross with other boats.  The entrance to the marina at West End is tricky.  I have gone in there at least ten times, and I still worry about it. From West End on around as far as Little Harbor there are short hops and numerous anchorages.  I don’t recommend the stretch from Little Harbor to Eleuthera in a houseboat. I haven’t hear of a restriction on entering the Bahamas at night.  Go in and either anchor or dock, raise the yellow "Q" flag and don’t get off the boat until Customs arrives.

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Anchor in Lake Worth until you are sure of settled weather with wind from the west.  I have waited as long as 10 days for the right conditions. If the wind is out of the west, ahead of a cold front, wouldn’t you expect it to clock through NW then North as the front passes?  Not a good time to be in the stream. John L. Miller

Yes, sometimes the window is only about 4 hours from the time the wind picks up from the west (almost *always* in advance of a cold front) to the time it swings around to a 30 knot+ northerly gale.  Against the fast north- flowing Gulf Stream, the sea conditions become unbelievably bad with any breeze from the north. I’d ship the houseboat if I were you.  The Bahama banks would be a wonderful place for a boat like that, but getting it there across the Gulf Stream is quite a big risk. Dan

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 This is a case of advice that is misguided, and when one generalizes with "Never", they are failing to consider that numerous "lake" type vessels have made quite successful voyages to and through the Bahamas, simply by selecting the weather conditions appropriate to their vessel.

I said never and I meant never.  Houseboats are not designed for offshore work under any circumstances.  Talking about ideal wind and sea conditions is nonsense.  We are not explorers, we are pleasure boaters;   and there is no reason to place any person aboard in danger with a vessel which can only operate in ideal wind and sea conditions. The insurance companies share this view, I believe. Ask what the premium increase will be for a houseboat taken offshore.   Jim Md.

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Anchor in Lake Worth until you are sure of settled weather with wind from the west.  I have waited as long as 10 days for the right conditions.

If the wind is out of the west, ahead of a cold front, wouldn’t you expect it to clock through NW then North as the front passes?  Not a good time to be in the stream. John L. Miller

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Anchor in Lake Worth until you are sure of settled weather with wind from the west.  I have waited as long as 10 days for the right conditions. If the wind is out of the west, ahead of a cold front, wouldn’t you expect it to clock through NW then North as the front passes?  Not a good time to be in the stream. John L. Miller

Absolutely true! An Irwin 45 named "Sandy Lanes" that took off ahead of me in the westerlies before a strong cold front, wound up being driven ashore on the west side of Gun Cay! I waited until after the front passed when light southerlies began to blow and had no problem. — J.A. Rogers Sailaway Cruising Club http://www.cqws.com/zone1/sailaway/

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One of the respondents to Horace’ query stated: : You’re pushing the envelope friend.  In no case should a houseboat be : taken offshore.  I might try it if I was a Haitian boat person; but : fortunately, I’m not. : : If you want to go to the Bahamas, buy an airline ticket. Depends on the houseboat, doesn’t it?  For shoal water cruising, a smaller houseboat, with less draft, would be far more appropriate than many of the offshore keelboats currently pussyfooting around the banks. Even a craft as large as Horace’s houseboat would be vastly preferable to a similar sized keelboat, if one wanted to follow the barrier reef down Andros Is. On the other hand, a craft as well-powered as Horace’s houseboat shouldn’t have problems finding an appropriate window of time, in which to cross the Straits of Florida safely. He’ll probably have greater problems finding a mooring at port of entry (grin). If I did it, I’d want a smaller boat with less than 2′ of draft, even if it were substantially slower.  But hell, if you’ve got the boat, and the desire (and the money)… Go for it, Horace! It should be a real adventure! Good Cruising, —      Bob Martin

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The boat is 60×14 with 22" of freeboard and a 42" draft. She has twin 228HP MercCruser outdrives and a fuel capacity of 175 Gals. Cruise speed at 1500RPM is about 8 knots with 21 knots at full speed. I plan to install Radar and GPS before the trip. Am I crazy or do you think this is possible ? What would you recommend ?

You’re pushing the envelope friend.  In no case should a houseboat be taken offshore.  I might try it if I was a Haitian boat person; but fortunately, I’m not. If you want to go to the Bahamas, buy an airline ticket. YOu should keep that nice houseboat in sheltered waters.  And there are plenty of sheltered waters that are perfect for you.  How about the ICW from New England to Fla?  How about the Erie Canal, the nicest fresh water cruise on the planet?  How about the Mighty Mississipp? Good Luck. Jim Md.

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You’re pushing the envelope friend.  In no case should a houseboat be taken offshore.  I might try it if I was a Haitian boat person; but fortunately, I’m not. If you want to go to the Bahamas, buy an airline ticket.

There are houseboats in the Virgin Islands and I’m sure they weren’t built there. — J.A. Rogers Sailaway Cruising Club http://www.cqws.com/zone1/sailaway/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ed: I’m in the process of rebuilding, from the hull up, a 60ft houseboat with the ultimate purpose of curising to the Bahamas from the closest point in Florida when I retire in six years. I’ve talked to a couple of people who say this is possible, if I pick the right time of year and watch the weather carefully. The boat is 60×14 with 22" of freeboard and a 42" draft. She has twin 228HP MercCruser outdrives and a fuel capacity of 175 Gals. Cruise speed at 1500RPM is about 8 knots with 21 knots at full speed. I plan to install Radar and GPS before the trip. Am I crazy or do you think this is possible ? What would you recommend ?

There was a rig which moored in Daytona Beach for a while.  On a small river barge type hull was a white frame building with a sign "Marine Research Laboratory" (It allowed anchoring in places where people might otherwise object.)  Around the perimeter of the barge were trailer hitch balls.  The owner supposedly took it to the Bahamas using a "tug" consisting of an open runabout with a large outboard.  He had a short tower frame on the tug with another trailer hitch ball and an A-frame with three female hitchs on the corners.  By repositioning the frame he could pull, push, or run along side.  He did spend some time waiting for just the right weather conditions. I think your houseboat is several cuts above this in surviveability, but yes, the word crazy does come to mind.  Crazy is fine as long as you don’t expect someone else to bail you out. Roger —

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You’re pushing the envelope friend.  In no case should a houseboat be taken offshore.  I might try it if I was a Haitian boat person; but fortunately, I’m not. If you want to go to the Bahamas, buy an airline ticket. There are houseboats in the Virgin Islands and I’m sure they weren’t built there.

I second that!  A houseboat on the Gulf Stream is courting suicide, and there ARE some deep water passages to be made within the archipelago. Don’t do it, especially as a novice. Go, but with a good keel and skeg beneath you.

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You’re pushing the envelope friend.  In no case should a houseboat be taken offshore.  I might try it if I was a Haitian boat person; but fortunately, I’m not. If you want to go to the Bahamas, buy an airline ticket. There are houseboats in the Virgin Islands and I’m sure they weren’t built there. — J.A. Rogers Sailaway Cruising Club http://www.cqws.com/zone1/sailaway/

There might be places that you could go through once you are there.  I think a lot of large freight (cars etc) go by local freighters.  That approach should get your boat there. I crossed the Gulf stream with a perfect forcast.  By the time I was 2 hours out, I was seeing the worst continuous conditions that I had ever seen in 30 years of sailing. We are all masters of our vessels despite what anyone says.  I would give this all little thought though. Hans Paabor Rocinante I Scarborough, Ontario With great power comes great responsiblity (Spiderman)

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I mentally swapped the critical specs of your houseboat and was thinking it draws 22” and has 42” of freeboard when I wrote advising you to Go For It! Considering you have almost no spare freeboard and are a bit deeper than I believed, I should qualify my answer: You probably should not go in winter, when the weather is quite changeable (and the forecasts are therefore less reliable). Keeping in mind that safe anchorages may sometimes be 30-40 miles (i.e.four-six hours) apart, if the wind springs up suddenly the resulting sea might be too much for your boat. The Banks can develop a very steep chop. I don’t know how well houseboats drive into head seas but I suspect, not too well. You should find out first-hand before going. Dead calm conditions are, I’m told,  common in late spring and summer (save for the odd hurricane, but that’s another story).  At any rate, take a liferaft or Whaler type dinghy and a handheld VHF. And, of course, insure the vessel. Byron

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If anyone is contemplating cruising in Bahamas, I may be able to help. While I have not been to each cay, I have cruised throughout the island nation, from Walker’s Cay on the north to Long Island in the southern region. This year I am going south thru southernmost Bahamas to Turks & Caicos, despite news of major drug running and politicians’ alleged

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Ed: I’m in the process of rebuilding, from the hull up, a 60ft houseboat with the ultimate purpose of curising to the Bahamas from the closest point in Florida when I retire in six years. I’ve talked to a couple of people who say this is possible, if I pick the right time of year and watch the weather carefully. The boat is 60×14 with 22" of freeboard and a 42" draft. She has twin 228HP MercCruser outdrives and a fuel capacity of 175 Gals. Cruise speed at 1500RPM is about 8 knots with 21 knots at full speed. I plan to install Radar and GPS before the trip. Am I crazy or do you think this is possible ? What would you recommend ? Thanks Ron Brown

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If anyone is contemplating cruising in Bahamas, I may be able to help. region. This year I am going south thru southernmost Bahamas to Turks & Caicos, despite news of major drug running and politicians’ alleged

In 16 years cruising in the Bahamas, drug running and politicians have been the least of my worries or problems.  They are simply not an issue for the average cruiser, and there are fewer drugs to encounter in the islands than on your average midtown street corner back in the states. Just returned from a fast passage from Ft. Lauderdale to Provo, (T&C), and the only problems encountered were related to the vessel, rather than politics or recreational pharmacy products. Good Sailing, 73,  Sean — Sean Holland NP2AU S/V Spindrift

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Go for it! Weather is key but the crossing from Miami to Gun Cay or Bimini should only take you a few hours (it’s 50nm or thereabouts). You will want to cross during a period of winds <12kts out of a southerly quadrant. You should experience chop no more than a foot or two over an easy swell. We spent a winter cruising the Bahamas in a 36′ sailboat. So long as you pick your weather carefully and hole up in one of the many protected anchorages during frontal passages, you should have no problem. Additionally, your shoal draft will open up many anchorages denied sailboats. So you should be able to avoid any unpleasantness. I would urge you to buy a short-wave receiver like the Grundig Yacht Boy 400 to get USCG weathercasts on NMN and to tune into the Bahamas marine net, as well as the big picture weather outlook from "Herb" on 12.359 at 2000 UCT. You may have to be very patient to get favorable conditions for operating in the NW Providence Channel; if it’s wintertime, you probably don’t want to operate in the northern half of the Bahamas (Abacos) as they get some very nasty weather indeed. Good luck! Byron Westerly ketch "Vela"

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Someone recommended Randall Kaufman’s books as good reference material for a beginner.  I was under the impression that he has a book with both dry and wet flys.  Does anyone know if such a book exists (it doesn’t, according to my local library)? I would be interested in knowing the title of any/all books by Mr. Kaufman. Tim Obrey/ME

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Someone recommended Randall Kaufman’s books as good reference material for a beginner.  I was under the impression that he has a book with both dry and wet flys.  Does anyone know if such a book exists (it doesn’t, according to my local library)? I would be interested in knowing the title of any/all books by Mr. Kaufman.

Hi Tim, Kauffman’s fly tying books are each devoted exclusively to either dries or nymphs – your local library is correct. He is the author of a pattern "directory" that includes both dries and nymphs entitled "Fly Patterns of Umpqua Feather Merchants". Best,   Alan.   Alan Barnard   Kiene’s Fly Shop   Sacramento, California   WWW Fly Tyer   http://www.ns.net/~barnard

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Tim, Try www.amazon.com — Donn Westervelt 72633,342 CIS

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: Someone recommended Randall Kaufman’s books as good reference material for a : beginner.  I was under the impression that he has a book with both dry and wet : flys.  Does anyone know if such a book exists (it doesn’t, according to my : local library)? I would be interested in knowing the title of any/all books by : Mr. Kaufman. Yup.  He has a new dry fly book, and a revised version of his nymph book. When I had to choose two (ONLY TWO) books on tying flies, to learn from, these were the two.  The illustrations are in color, and are very clear…with tricky points clearly described.  He discusses standard techniques fully.  The patterns are laid out in a "progressive" order so that you can learn quite a bit by tying each pattern in order (I’m about 2/3 of the way through both books).  Or you can jump around to your favorite pattern.  There’s a pattern directory in the back, listing many patterns not covered in the text WITH color PICTURES.  Also, each chapter has a little one or two page story having something to do with that pattern.  ALSO, there are excellent discussions of materials and tools. I now own FIVE books on fly tying: Talleur’s intro book (for my son), two books of patterns, and Kaufman’s two newer books. I strongly recommend these two books for anyone learning to tie flies. — Laboratory for Applied Logic    Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho             www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster —–BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—– Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzDtvLEAAAEEAKAC21G2Be0K0DMgjLpxrwLmsYfCz8rWcfgyABjr3Ryfk1dO nV7fFFpUF3xohR7die+/B2V9oqRQzTLeSF2ECKlsTY/yUyw2kn+P2ju1umh4Fwzd cVTvc+H69q1+Ft3kmw/PE0Pan+g0PUGGJ43stw3q4OgBHdixbRd/f9giJFDxAAUR tCZKYW1lcyBBLiBGb3N0ZXIgPGZvc3RlckBjcy51aWRhaG8uZWR1PokAlQMFEDD8 ReEXf3/YIiRQ8QEBFrAD/2AFuRWcD/3MENC3qJMC/Or1qxknjkK7Uv+TDf2LHPOY GHBbG9PyWuXQ8of0Dd+JYwf/tzlO9Yk1s1zTdikfriak21FW0bCokxDIhA3myppZ IZDWVA9CyvDYHuP5Ii1NkBvocab813JzDLZA+0iVN5sebGb9zSXR4Za47hlriHeP =RDHK —–END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK—–

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Someone recommended Randall Kaufman’s books as good reference material for a beginner.  I was under the impression that he has a book with both dry and wet flys.  Does anyone know if such a book exists (it doesn’t, according to my local library)? I would be interested in knowing the title of any/all books by Mr. Kaufman. Tim Obrey/ME

Here’s a list of Randall Kaufmann’s books (I think it’s complete): American Nymph Fly Tying Manual (1975) Bonefishing with a Fly (1992) *The Fly Tyers Nymph Manual (1986) *Tying Dry Flies (1992) (there is also a revised edition) *Tying Nymphs (1992)         *= in-print Andy   A. M. Rapach–Angling Books Rare, Collectible & Used Angling      Books Bought and Sold <A HREF="http://www.westol.com/~andmr/fishbks"</A

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Randall Kaufmann has authored or coauthored several books covering fly tying and fly fishing for a variety of species. I think two books best suited for the beginning or advanced tyer are; Tying Nymphs, and Tying Dries. Randall is an excellent tier or tyer and has a gift of concise, easily understood writing. Vic’s Fly-By-Night Too much time spent tying Not enough fishing

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I got my first book on fly tying from the Federation of Fly Fishers. It is called an Introduction to Fly Tying by Al Beatty and Bob Lay. It only cost $2.00 plus S&H. I have since purchased a couple of videos by Al and they were really detailed. I don’t have his phone number but he often posts to this group. Stumbling along the fly fishing stream Ed

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Someone recommended Randall Kaufman’s books as good reference material for a beginner.  I was under the impression that he has a book with both dry and wet flys.  Does anyone know if such a book exists (it doesn’t, according to my local library)? I would be interested in knowing the title of any/all books by Mr. Kaufman. Tim Obrey/ME Here’s a list of Randall Kaufmann’s books (I think it’s complete): American Nymph Fly Tying Manual (1975) Bonefishing with a Fly (1992) *The Fly Tyers Nymph Manual (1986) *Tying Dry Flies (1992) (there is also a revised edition) *Tying Nymphs (1992)    *= in-print Andy  A. M. Rapach–Angling Books Rare, Collectible & Used Angling     Books Bought and Sold <A HREF="http://www.westol.com/~andmr/fishbks"</A

Add to the list: Lake Fishing with a Fly (1984) (co-authored with Ron Cordes) Fly Patterns of Umpqua Feather Merchants (1995) Tight lines Jay Whitworth

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Quoting ab258 from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly     I recently posted an inquiry about blanks to which the overwhelming     response was that for quality and price I couldn’t beat St. Croix.    now the only problem is finding a good source of them. Any suppliers    out there who would like to either E-mail a price list or send a    catalogue please do so.

  Why don’t you buy them directly from the factory.  That’s what I do.   St. Croix publishes two catalogs, one devoted to finished rods and another   comprised of blanks and components.  They are located in Park Falls, WI   and I understand are the largest American producers of private label rods.

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Phone number for St. Croix = 715-762-3225, FAX 715-762-3293

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Barlow’s Tackle Shop Phone: 214-231-5982 fax: 214-690-4044 Box 830369 Richardson, TX 75083 They do have St Croix blank in their catalog. I have the catalog here, email me if you want to know the blank prices. Good luck, Thi Nguyen

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Mike, I’m sure you’ll get a response from someone regarding the St. Croix rods, but if not, let me know, I have one of their catalogs at home and can send you their address……sorry  I don’t have it handy now.  Helen

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Quoting ab258 from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly     I recently posted an inquiry about blanks to which the overwhelming     response was that for quality and price I couldn’t beat St. Croix.    now the only problem is finding a good source of them. Any suppliers    out there who would like to either E-mail a price list or send a    catalogue please do so. Try the Angler’s Workshop.  THey carry a full line of St. Croix blanks as well as Sage, Orvis, Powell, Talon, Laminglas…  Contact them for a catalog:         Anglers Workshop         P.O. Box 1010         1350 Atlantic Ave.         Woodland, Wa. 98674         206-225-9445 Jim in Southern California

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I recently posted an inquiry about blanks to which the overwhelming response was that for quality and price I couldn’t beat St. Croix. now the only problem is finding a good source of them. Any suppliers out there who would like to either E-mail a price list or send a catalogue please do so. Mike Zelman RR #1 Head of Jeddore Nova Scotia CANADA B0J 1P0 —

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I recently posted an inquiry about blanks to which the overwhelming response was that for quality and price I couldn’t beat St. Croix. now the only problem is finding a good source of them. Any suppliers out there who would like to either E-mail a price list or send a catalogue please do so. Mike Zelman RR #1 Head of Jeddore Nova Scotia CANADA B0J 1P0

Northeast Anglers and Outdoor Shops Inc. 21 Main Street East, Grimsby, Ontario, Canada. L3M 1M7 1-800-563-FISH They carry St,. Croix rods so they may also carry blanks. Keep your stick on the ice. Thos.

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