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Hi All, October is the month you want to take off from work so you can fish for everything we have in the state. With the kids back in school and hunting season started there are less people fishing. Many trout streams pick up with the cooler fall temperatures. Flows are low and there are fall hatches. Brown trout are moving upstream to spawn.(Upper Sac, McCloud, Pit, Hat Creek, Fall River, East Carson, East Walker….) Lakes are cooling off so the trout are coming back to the surface to feed up for winter. ( Davis, Frenchmans,Almanor, Eagle, Crowley….) There are steelhead and salmon in all the rivers open to the ocean. (Klamath, Trinity, Lower Sac, Lower Feather, Lower Yuba, Lower American….) The stripers are schooling in the Sacramento Delta and the black bass have become active with the cooler water temps of fall. I guess the only fisheries that is not going in the fall is the American shad ? Try to plan a good trip this October so you can enjoy some good fly fishing. With the cooler temps you can fish all day too. If you need help planning a good trip or need the name of a good FF guide just let me know. It is pretty hard to have a bad trip in October in California. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com Toll free USA 1-800-400-0359

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It is pretty hard to have a bad trip in October in California.

If this was from *anywhere* but CA, it wouldn’t have been near as funny. <g — TL, Tim

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Petah: and wait till you see my version of the GRW

Carrie Stevens beatcha to it.  She calls it the Green Ghost.  <g Dave

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Petah: and wait till you see my version of the GRW Carrie Stevens beatcha to it.  She calls it the Green Ghost.  <g Dave

ya, OK, no problem being one-upped by Carrie – but that pirate guy – sheesh. and this time, don’t buy out Lakewood’s entire supply of GGs.  Leave some for the guy who knows how to use it  <BSEG Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Petah: and wait till you see my version of the GRW Carrie Stevens beatcha to it.  She calls it the Green Ghost.  <g ya, OK, no problem being one-upped by Carrie – but that pirate guy – sheesh. and this time, don’t buy out Lakewood’s entire supply of GGs.  Leave some for the guy who knows how to use it  <BSEG

Thanks for thinking of me, Peter, but I tie my own. /daytripper (And leave HWMNBN out of this!

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That’s my home water you’re talking about, Dave. Great to hear you had some good fishing. The Middle Fork from Indian Creek was the pits three or four weeks ago (for the reasons you mentioned), but the tributary fishing was superb. We missed you at the Yellowstone Clave. Despite (or maybe because of) various intolerable provocations and slights, I can’t recall of week when I had more fun. (Or caught a bigger fish Next time. San Juan in January? Meet you at the Kiddie Hole? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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[good time snipped] Dave LaCourse

Sounds like a great time – see you in a few weeks.  BTW, the granddaughter will out fish you too.  :) and wait till you see my version of the GRW. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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<snipped awesome TR Next year Joanne and I will do Montana, perhaps with our 12 year old grand-daughter.  If we arrive on your doorstep with our 32 foot land yacht, Warren, I expect a cold beer, a big smile, and directions to the nearest trout waters.

I’ll leave a light on a cold one in the fridge for you.  I’ll make sure to leave a trout or two for you too.  I took lessons from Troutmaster Willi during the Clave so don’t expect many fish. . . . — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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I’ll leave a light on a cold one in the fridge for you.

                /                and still need more sleep. . . . . . — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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I’ll leave a light on a cold one in the fridge for you.                 /                and still need more sleep. . . . . .

Now, Warren, the biggest mistake people make when drinking premium beers (not Bud) is to drink them when they’re too cold. A light on a cold one might be just the thing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Now, Warren, the biggest mistake people make when drinking premium beers (not Bud) is to drink them when they’re too cold. A light on a cold one might be just the thing.

Damn mother freakin’ confuser!  It’s out to get me, I swear! — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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rw writes: Next time. San Juan in January? Meet you at the Kiddie Hole?

I’m planning on the SJ.  Haven’t told the Chief of Naval Ops yet, but I’m going.  And, you can believe I will not even wade through the Kiddie Hole.  Why anyone would want to catch those pathetic fish is beyond me.  I had planned on the Jellystone Clave, but made the Idaho reservations early.  I would have been out a lot of money if I didn’t follow through. Dave

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In the past I have taken a grandson to Labrador for big brookies and landlocked salmon.  This year we went to Idaho for cutthroats.  I made the reservations before the Western Clave’s dates were set, so I missed it – we were in Idaho the same week. We arrived late Sunday afternoon aboard the owner’s Cesna 206.  Six cylinders, turbo-charged, putting out 310 hp.  Quite the aircraft. Wapiti Meadows Ranch in on Johnson Creek, south of Yellow Pine.  I was surprised to see chinook salmon in the creek.  Lots of them, and  all had been tagged by biologists.  They traveled about 900 miles up-stream, a 3-4 month trip, from the ocean to spawn and then die.  I was told that their numbers have increased over the past few years, so there is hope for the Chinook (King) salmon in this watershed. We fished Johnson Creek (skinny water this time of the year), the East Fork of the South Fork above Johnson Creek, and the East of the South below the confluence of Johnson.  Even though the water was skinny compared to what we are accustomed to, we caught many cutts on dries and nymphs.  When we first fished the East of the South, Brian was into his fifth rainbow or cutt before I had the water figured out.  He was up-stream of me fishing with the guide.  I was amazed to see him using an enormous Royal Wulff – must have been at least a size 10.   Small nymphs worked, but it seemed that the bigger ones worked better.  I caught most of my fish on a large yellow stone fly, but the dreaded Green Rock Worm also took a few, including the biggest of the trip – a cutt about 17 inches.   We were scheduled to fly into the Middle Branch of the Salmon at Indian Creek on Wednesday.  However, a very bad storm hit the area Monday night, dumping several inches of rain on the area. Four miles above Indian Creek is Pistol Creek.  There has been a fire on Pistol Creek for several weeks, so when the rains came they washed the ash into the creek and it was then dumped into the Middle Fork.  The water on Tuesday and Wednesday was a dirty gray.  We flew into the Middle Fork on Thursday after hearing that it was fishable. We walked up-stream about 2 miles to a large pool only to find it un-fishable.  The water was so cloudy that visibility was about two feet.  Downstream of Indian Creek the water was much better and we immediately go into some nice cutts.  My first cutt on this water had such vivid red colors that I thought it was a Rainbow. It was about 14 inches and absolutely beautiful.  The cutts on the other waters we fished had a green back and not much red (except for the "cut throat"), but this fish was brilliant.   After many fish caught and released, we settled into camp and made a "whiteman’s" campfire.  Our guide Andy grilled some steaks and baked some potatoes while I got into the white wine.  I took several pictures of my 16 year old grandson holding a beer can.  His mother has yet to see the pictures! <g.    We stayed up until about 11 p.m. watching the fire and observing the stars.  Life is good

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Yeah. The best thing to do is ignore ‘em. I sometimes rise to the bait, but I feel chagrined every time I do. Problem is, it stops being a sport when the participants become polarized over anything, whether it’s bamboo or race relations.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <<1. Is there anything we can do about the political/hate messages I see posted here other than ignoring them and hoping they’ll go away? 1. It’s a little like fishing. You don’t have to try to catch everyone you see. You don’t have to keep all you catch. You can just ignore the little guys. <<2. Gehrke has obviously changed his address since I last added him to my kill file. Would someone please send me an email with any aliases he may currently be using so I can prevent his correspondence from reaching me? 2. Now we also have Muskie to deal with.

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Lennie, if you’re at all related to the Richardson Fly Box, you might want to consider moving to another state. Let us know where you’re planning to fish and your general locale–there are for better or worse quite a few other ROFF regulars who live in NC.

I’m not familiar with the Richardson Fly Box, but we could be related. My father’s family is centered in Marion, SC and I’m told I have relatives near Charlotte. I’m a reasonably fair fly dresser, but I can scarcely meet my own demand let alone do it commercially. Besides, I tie flies to catch fish, not to look purty. –Steve (typing this from Cary, NC; headed to Watauga county tomorrow morning) P.S. and no I won’t be doing any fishing this time

Maybe if you don’t get to fish you can get in some skiing.

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Hi All, It’s been a while since I hung out here, like since late June. I have a couple of questions: 1. Is there anything we can do about the political/hate messages I see posted here other than ignoring them and hoping they’ll go away?

Yeah, just post more trips reports like you did for your Montana trip. I enjoyed the pix. Willi

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Lennie, were you speaking of the Upper Creek off of Mt. Mitchell or the Upper Creek off 181 Hwy in Burke County?  I fish the Burke County Upper. Don’t recall the 10" ice.  This is a great stream. — Opie  –Psychotic Psychic to the recently deceased–

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The one in Burke County. It was OK coming in from the Johns River side, but we went out the road that takes you to Wilson Creek and that’s the one that was iced over. It was slick. Drove out in 4 wheel low  the whole way. It was beautiful, but slicker than fresh snot on a doorknob.

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I’m in Charlotte. I was thinking about heading over toward the delayed harvest area of the Tuckaseegee, but I love all the areas you’ve mentioned above. It’s starting to look like the weather could keep us home. I love to fish in the snow and I don’t mind driving in it if I’m the only car on I-40 between Statesville and the Tennessee line. I drove up to Upper Creek January of this year and it was 10" deep in hard ice, not snow. Looked like a mini-glacier. What part of Wilson Creek do you like to fish this time of year? LR

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Where are you located Lennie?  I’m in Lenoir and plan to fish this weekend on Upper Creek, or Lost Cove, or Wilson Creek or somewhere. — Opie  –Planning for the Past– I live in North Carolina and am going to try to go fishing in the snow this weekend. I’ll post a report when I get back. Merry Christmas and a Happy Chanuka/Ramadan/Kwanzaa/New Year to all, Lennie Richardson (Not "Mr. R.", not ashamed of my name)

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I live in North Carolina and am going to try to go fishing in the snow this weekend. I’ll post a report when I get back.

Lennie, if you’re at all related to the Richardson Fly Box, you might want to consider moving to another state. Let us know where you’re planning to fish and your general locale–there are for better or worse quite a few other ROFF regulars who live in NC. –Steve (typing this from Cary, NC; headed to Watauga county tomorrow morning) P.S. and no I won’t be doing any fishing this time

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<<1. Is there anything we can do about the political/hate messages I see posted here other than ignoring them and hoping they’ll go away? 1. It’s a little like fishing. You don’t have to try to catch everyone you see. You don’t have to keep all you catch. You can just ignore the little guys. <<2. Gehrke has obviously changed his address since I last added him to my kill file. Would someone please send me an email with any aliases he may currently be using so I can prevent his correspondence from reaching me? 2. Now we also have Muskie to deal with.

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Where are you located Lennie?  I’m in Lenoir and plan to fish this weekend on Upper Creek, or Lost Cove, or Wilson Creek or somewhere. — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I live in North Carolina and am going to try to go fishing in the snow this weekend. I’ll post a report when I get back. Merry Christmas and a Happy Chanuka/Ramadan/Kwanzaa/New Year to all, Lennie Richardson (Not "Mr. R.", not ashamed of my name)

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Hi All, It’s been a while since I hung out here, like since late June. I have a couple of questions: 1. Is there anything we can do about the political/hate messages I see posted here other than ignoring them and hoping they’ll go away? 2. Gehrke has obviously changed his address since I last added him to my kill file. Would someone please send me an email with any aliases he may currently be using so I can prevent his correspondence from reaching me? I use his product and it works just fine for me. As a matter of fact, I’ve got a bottle I bought in 1990 which I’ve only half used up. It’s his biased blather that I don’t care for. I still find many stimulating and useful posts in this group, so I have no plans to give up on it just yet. Thanks to all of you (you know who you are) that make this a worthwhile NG. BTW, I’ve been to Montana since the last time I visited this group, so if anybody would like to see a few pretty fish pictures, please take a look at http://home.carolina.rr.com/ellarrandfamily/photo.htm. I had the good fortune to meet some super fishermen, guides, and flyshop folk while I was there, but I’m not going to turn my post into a commercial for them. I live in North Carolina and am going to try to go fishing in the snow this weekend. I’ll post a report when I get back. Merry Christmas and a Happy Chanuka/Ramadan/Kwanzaa/New Year to all, Lennie Richardson (Not "Mr. R.", not ashamed of my name)

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flyfish writes: Passing this along to Muddie, we’ll probably do just an overnighter to whet our whistles etc. maybe even fish Flyfish

If you plan on staying at Lakewood, you’ll have to make reservations with Sue. Info is on the clave web site.  There are ways to walk in, however, and I’m sure you are aware of them.  <g   Hope to see you there, as well as Mudfish…… Dave

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flyfish writes: Passing this along to Muddie, we’ll probably do just an overnighter to whet our whistles etc. maybe even fish Flyfish If you plan on staying at Lakewood, you’ll have to make reservations with Sue. Info is on the clave web site.  There are ways to walk in, however, and I’m sure you are aware of them.  <g   Hope to see you there, as well as Mudfish……

Knowing Ed and Dave, they’ll probably sleep in the truck…if they haven’t gotten it stuck somewhere. Dave B: if you come in from Wilson’s, use the NEW road. There’s a bridge missing on the Old Middledam Road… /daytripper (whose Pathfinder nearly "found" Sturtevant Stream one night)

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Having never been myself I’ll have to let Mud navigate. Lemme see, if we leave early the 10th we should be there for the camp breaking exercises. Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – flyfish writes: Passing this along to Muddie, we’ll probably do just an overnighter to whet our whistles etc. maybe even fish Flyfish If you plan on staying at Lakewood, you’ll have to make reservations with Sue. Info is on the clave web site.  There are ways to walk in, however, and I’m sure you are aware of them.  <g   Hope to see you there, as well as Mudfish…… Knowing Ed and Dave, they’ll probably sleep in the truck…if they haven’t gotten it stuck somewhere. Dave B: if you come in from Wilson’s, use the NEW road. There’s a bridge missing on the Old Middledam Road… /daytripper (whose Pathfinder nearly "found" Sturtevant Stream one night)

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Is there one? Where might it be? Mudfish and I may attend after all being as it’s all of an hour and a bit drive from my place Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more http://members.xoom.com/lokiskinder JG13 A proud Red Baron 2 squadron

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Passing this along to Muddie, we’ll probably do just an overnighter to whet our whistles etc. maybe even fish Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Go to Paul Goodwin’s site: http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/maineclave2000.html Hope to see you and Mudfish there. Dave Dave LaCourse

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flyfish writes: Is there one? Where might it be? Mudfish and I may attend after all being as it’s all of an hour and a bit drive from my place Flyfish

Go to Paul Goodwin’s site: http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/maineclave2000.html Hope to see you and Mudfish there. Dave Dave LaCourse

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The thread I started a month or so back to announce the web page went off topic and down hill fast. You can find the site at: http://www.paul.goodwinweb.com/maineclave2000.html Day_tripper supplied most of the photos for the flies. The one pattern I need a good photo of is a strawman. If anyone has one please email it to me. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there one? Where might it be? Mudfish and I may attend after all being as it’s all of an hour and a bit drive from my place Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more http://members.xoom.com/lokiskinder JG13 A proud Red Baron 2 squadron

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Hi all, Just got back from the Maine Clave. While it was great to renew acquaintances from last years and make some new ones events of the week put a damper on things. The fishing was good and I was able to escape on the river. It was good not to have TV for the past three days. Driving home I saw the con trail of a jet and thought that things were starting to return to the daily routine. But, then I stopped to wonder how many kids no longer have parents to take them fishing. Paul

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I was on the river near the dam when April, the dam keeper’s wife, began shouting at me to get out of the river and away from the dam.  She was extremely excited and agitated.  I gestured to John Russell who was fishing a little down-stream from me. We went to the dam keeper’s house to watch the news reports.  I was shocked at what I saw.  Simply unbelievable.  I knew that my life was to be changed drastically because of what was happening, and  I was immediately concerned because three roffians were at that moment flying – wayno, jeff miller, and Indian Joe.  Finally, finding out that the hijacked flights originated in Boston and Newark, we were at least somewhat relieved that our fishing buddies weren’t on the aircraft.   The briefest of trip reports follows mentioning those that attended,  in order of arrival: Stan Gula:  Stan’s knees were bothering him and he didn’t get to fish much, but at least he was there and having fun. John Russell:  JR flew from Oregon.  A gentle and sincere man, he caught fish on the Rapid.  After the WTC horror, John became concerned because a brother lived in NYC.  He eventually found him safe.  I hope I can fish with JR in the future. Vince Norris:  Another gentle and sincere man that I had the pleasure of meeting during May’s Penns Clave.  Vince flew his own aircraft to the clave, landing at Berlin, NH.  We were concerned that he would not be able to take off on Friday, but apparently the skies were cleared by then. Bill Laverty:  Vince’s friend who arrived with Vince.  First time fly fishing. He spent much of his time spin fishing in the lake. Dave Bottom:  This guy knows more about Maine fishing than any person I know. It was great seeing him again, and he and I will fish the Kennebec together next month. Dave Tatosian:  Has been to several claves.  Knows the river well.  Caught some fish. Dave Price:  AKA Nice Dave.  Tied flies, fished, caught fish, tied flies, fished, caught fish.  Great guy to be around. Paul Goodwin:  Got some nice trout and salmon on his home-made boo rod, with iddy biddy flies. Peter Charles and his wife Joanne:  Peter got to try some new streamer patterns and was successful by landing a nice (3 lb ?) brookie out of 2nd current.  I had the pleasure of netting it for him.  Joanne kept us in stitches with her humor and wonderful personality.  I will steelhead fish with Peter in October/Nov. Jeff Miller:  After much concern and worry, Jeffy shows up on Wednesday driving a 15 passenger van rented from the airport in Baltimore.  He fished the river NC style and was very successful.  Kessie watched out for his nutritional needs. Indian Joe:  Arrived with Jeff.  Full of jokes and humor.  I hope he caught fish because I did not spend any time with him. Joanne and me:  If it wasn’t for Joanne, we wouldn’t have had all those wonderful snacks every evening.  Me?  I managed to catch a few and had a good time drinking Peter Charles’ birthday present (18 year old  Scotch)  The bonfire was canceled for Wednesday evening because of the tragedy in NY.  All agreed we should have it, so on Thursday eventing Harry the dam keeper got a good blaze going.    Great fire. Great talk. Some observations: In every little Maine town we travel through today there was some sort of celebration – a celebration of being an American.  It was very touching.  On most over-passes on the turnpike and super hiways there were flags displayed. Many cars and trucks had patriotic words printed on their rear windows.  People were proud, but angry too.  I pity the poor bastards that did this, for their hell is just beginning and will last a long, long time.  God Bless America! Dave LaCourse Former Two Time Clavemeister Dave

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I would hope that the North Carolina contingency not rely on Jeffy/wayno/IJ for representation.   It was poorly represented last year, so here’s hoping……

I beg your pardon? –Steve

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Speaking for The Daves (even the honorary one) I believe we will accept your gracious offer. /a Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I just booked Lakewood for Joanne and me, Sept 9 – 15. I have the following folks listed as going: Dave Bottom Dave Tatosian Dave Price Paul (Dave) Goodwin They want the same arrangement as last year, so if youse guys haven’t already called, I will do it for you. Wayno Harrison    room by himself Indian Joe             room by himself (Note:  One person/cabin will be tolerated by Sue if there are not that many. This is a clave, so doubling up with others would be nice.  <g) Big Cabin (Camp Comfort – non-smoking dudes only) So far there is: Jeffy Miller (I have your booze from last year) Peter Charles Frank Church  (Wed – Sat) Comfort sleeps six, but last year we had 4 or 5 in it.  It is the biggest camp and centrally located, so it becomes Clave Central by default.   I would hope that the North Carolina contingency not rely on Jeffy/wayno/IJ for representation.   It was poorly represented last year, so here’s hoping…… There is room for at least 10 other folks.  For more info, go to www.lakewoodcamps.com If you want, I will make your reservations.  But, *you* will be responsible for getting your $100 deposit to Sue to confirm your reservations. Let me know. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Dave  I would like to share part of a cabin,  just better off having a bedroom (not cabin ) to myself so the others can sleep. My wife says I snoore. Put me in big cabin if there is a small room. I will talk to Jeff about dates as perhaps we can combine  dates.  IJ

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IJ writes: Dave  I would like to share part of a cabin,  just better off having a bedroom (not cabin ) to myself so the others can sleep. My wife says I snoore. Put me in big cabin if there is a small room. I will talk to Jeff about dates as perhaps we can combine  dates. IJ

You got it, IJ.  Will put you in the big camp upstairs. Dave

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Are Jeffy Miller and Peter Charles "safe", I mean, will I be safe from them when the lights go out?  If not, can I have Mildred? Will you make my reservations?   I will send them a ru…ah…check next week. Frank (bouncy bouncy) Church

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I just booked Lakewood for Joanne and me, Sept 9 – 15. I have the following folks listed as going: Dave Bottom Dave Tatosian Dave Price Paul (Dave) Goodwin They want the same arrangement as last year, so if youse guys haven’t already called, I will do it for you. Wayno Harrison    room by himself Indian Joe             room by himself (Note:  One person/cabin will be tolerated by Sue if there are not that many. This is a clave, so doubling up with others would be nice.  <g) Big Cabin (Camp Comfort – non-smoking dudes only) So far there is: Jeffy Miller (I have your booze from last year) Peter Charles Frank Church  (Wed – Sat) Comfort sleeps six, but last year we had 4 or 5 in it.  It is the biggest camp and centrally located, so it becomes Clave Central by default. I would hope that the North Carolina contingency not rely on Jeffy/wayno/IJ for representation.   It was poorly represented last year, so here’s hoping…… There is room for at least 10 other folks.  For more info, go to www.lakewoodcamps.com If you want, I will make your reservations.  But, *you* will be responsible for getting your $100 deposit to Sue to confirm your reservations. Let me know. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Frank Church writes: Are Jeffy Miller and Peter Charles "safe", I mean, will I be safe from them when the lights go out?  If not, can I have Mildred? Will you make my reservations?   I will send them a ru…ah…check next week. Frank (bouncy bouncy) Church

Jeffy and Peter are ok.  And they do not snore.  Indian Joe will also be in your camp.  Mildred is old and tired.  I have retired her.  <g Dave

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Are Jeffy Miller and Peter Charles "safe", I mean, will I be safe from them when the lights go out?  If not, can I have Mildred?

To Miss Jo in New Zealand: Mildred is a goat.  Please do not worry.  She is well.  <g

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Mildred is a goat.  Please do not worry.  She is well.  <g

Check out http://bbs.bianca.com/mforums/w/whiteshadow/posts/2000_Jul_03/97734/9… — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I just booked Lakewood for Joanne and me, Sept 9 – 15. I have the following folks listed as going: Dave Bottom Dave Tatosian Dave Price Paul (Dave) Goodwin They want the same arrangement as last year, so if youse guys haven’t already called, I will do it for you. Wayno Harrison    room by himself Indian Joe             room by himself (Note:  One person/cabin will be tolerated by Sue if there are not that many. This is a clave, so doubling up with others would be nice.  <g) Big Cabin (Camp Comfort – non-smoking dudes only) So far there is: Jeffy Miller (I have your booze from last year) Peter Charles Frank Church  (Wed – Sat) Comfort sleeps six, but last year we had 4 or 5 in it.  It is the biggest camp and centrally located, so it becomes Clave Central by default.   I would hope that the North Carolina contingency not rely on Jeffy/wayno/IJ for representation.   It was poorly represented last year, so here’s hoping…… There is room for at least 10 other folks.  For more info, go to www.lakewoodcamps.com If you want, I will make your reservations.  But, *you* will be responsible for getting your $100 deposit to Sue to confirm your reservations. Let me know. Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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dave, are those the camps located just north of middle dam, i have fished the rapid a few times and usualy rent a camp site further up lake [ towards upper richardson same side of lake], i’ve always wondered about the camps

Yes, "Lakewood Camps" is located within a ten minute walk directly north of Middledam. Great place, awesome food, friendly and capable hosts. Hope you can join us, Chris. /daytripper

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dave, are those the camps located just north of middle dam, i have fished the rapid a few times and usualy rent a camp site further up lake [ towards upper richardson same side of lake], i’ve always wondered about the camps

Yes, "Lakewood Camps" is located within a ten minute walk directly north of Middledam. Great place, awesome food, friendly and capable hosts. Hope you can join us, Chris. Yes, I second that, Chris.  Those camp sites usually close the week-end after Labor Day.  But If you can make it to Lakewood, please join us.  See www.lakewoodcamps.com for more info. Dave LaCourse

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To date I have received deposits from Steve Z., Peter and Charlie Choc.  I need to send deposits asap after the 1st of the year (if we’re all alive by then).  Sooooooooo, those of you who are sitting on the can and not doing anything, send your deposit to: Dave LaCourse 120 Brook St. Hudson, MA  01749 A nice message with the check would be appreciated.  You know, like, "Stick this, LaPlac", or something else appropriate for a roffer to say. Unless otherwise stated, I will have you arriving before lunch on the 10th, and leaving before lunch on the 16th. Dave L., who is doing this either because he is insane or ’cause              "he cares:". Early results are in, and "Insane" looks like a shoo-in… /daytripper ("The check’s in the mail!" ;^

It takes one to know one. Paul

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Early results are in, and "Insane" looks like a shoo-in…

Isn’t that sort of like saying Charles Manson is ‘peculiar’?<g. — Charlie…

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Paul (Salmon Fly) writes: Early results are in, and "Insane" looks like a shoo-in… /daytripper ("The check’s in the mail!" ;^

It takes one to know one. Paul Thank you, Paul.  Said like the gentleman I know you are Dave L.

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Your being hard on yourself agian Paul Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To date I have received deposits from Steve Z., Peter and Charlie Choc.  I need to send deposits asap after the 1st of the year (if we’re all alive by then).  Sooooooooo, those of you who are sitting on the can and not doing anything, send your deposit to: Dave LaCourse 120 Brook St. Hudson, MA  01749 A nice message with the check would be appreciated.  You know, like, "Stick this, LaPlac", or something else appropriate for a roffer to say. Unless otherwise stated, I will have you arriving before lunch on the 10th, and leaving before lunch on the 16th. Dave L., who is doing this either because he is insane or ’cause              "he cares:". Early results are in, and "Insane" looks like a shoo-in… /daytripper ("The check’s in the mail!" ;^ It takes one to know one. Paul

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 Ever since the meniscus

Understood<g. — Charlie…

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dave, are those the camps located just north of middle dam, i have fished the rapid a few times and usualy rent a camp site further up lake [ towards upper richardson same side of lake], i’ve always wondered about the camps chris smith porter maine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chris Smith: <<dave, could you post the info for the clave again, i some how spaced it chris smith porter maine Hi, Chris. The Maine ‘Clave will be held from September 10 thru the 16 at Lakewood Camps on Lower Lake Richardson.  We will be fishing the famous Rapid River for big brookies and land locked salmon. Lakewood Camps is on the American plan – for $95/day you get a rustic cabin circa 1920, with electricity from 6:30 a.m. until 11 p.m.   The three meals a day that Jan and her crew provide are excellent.  If you do not want to come back to camp for lunch, a bag lunch to your specifications is provided, including thermos. It is a wonderful place to spend time, let alone fishing. The Rapid River is the output of Lower Lake Richardson and flows into Umbagog.  (The output of Umbagog  is the Androoscoggin River.) It is a catch and release river on brook trout, with one salmon allowed/day (14 inches) until Aug. 1 when they also become C&R. The river has been written up in many publications and is wonderfully fast and beautiful.  It is a fairly large river with large brookies and ll’s, fly fishing only. To date 13 roffers have signed up.  I have met and fished with them all, and they are a fine bunch of n’er do wells.  You wouldn’t bring any of them home to meet your family, but to fish with, they ain’t all *that* bad. There is still room and I hope other roffers will take this opportunity to sign up. Dave L.

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Isn’t that sort of like saying Charles Manson is ‘peculiar’?<g. Um……isn’t he? It was meant as an understatement, and hopefully his parole board will continue to feel the same way.

Thanks Charlie.  Always thought he was a bit peculiar myself.  Just wanted to be sure I wasn’t the Lone Ranger on this one.  Ever since the meniscus

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Chris Smith: <<dave, could you post the info for the clave again, i some how spaced it chris smith porter maine Hi, Chris. The Maine ‘Clave will be held from September 10 thru the 16 at Lakewood Camps on Lower Lake Richardson.  We will be fishing the famous Rapid River for big brookies and land locked salmon. Lakewood Camps is on the American plan – for $95/day you get a rustic cabin circa 1920, with electricity from 6:30 a.m. until 11 p.m.   The three meals a day that Jan and her crew provide are excellent.  If you do not want to come back to camp for lunch, a bag lunch to your specifications is provided, including thermos. It is a wonderful place to spend time, let alone fishing. The Rapid River is the output of Lower Lake Richardson and flows into Umbagog.  (The output of Umbagog  is the Androoscoggin River.) It is a catch and release river on brook trout, with one salmon allowed/day (14 inches) until Aug. 1 when they also become C&R. The river has been written up in many publications and is wonderfully fast and beautiful.  It is a fairly large river with large brookies and ll’s, fly fishing only. To date 13 roffers have signed up.  I have met and fished with them all, and they are a fine bunch of n’er do wells.  You wouldn’t bring any of them home to meet your family, but to fish with, they ain’t all *that* bad. There is still room and I hope other roffers will take this opportunity to sign up. Dave L.

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Wayno took it in the shorts at the Carolina Clave, and it ain’t gonna happen this time.   Uh, I thought we weren’t going to talk about that…

Well, now at least we know just who’s shorts Louie was wearing… /daytripper

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dave, could you post the info for the clave again, i some how spaced it chris smith porter maine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To date I have received deposits from Steve Z., Peter and Charlie Choc.  I need to send deposits asap after the 1st of the year (if we’re all alive by then).  Sooooooooo, those of you who are sitting on the can and not doing anything, send your deposit to: Dave LaCourse 120 Brook St. Hudson, MA  01749 A nice message with the check would be appreciated.  You know, like, "Stick this, LaPlac", or something else appropriate for a roffer to say. Unless otherwise stated, I will have you arriving before lunch on the 10th, and leaving before lunch on the 16th. Dave L., who is doing this either because he is insane or ’cause              "he cares:".

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The Wonderful Counselor from the Great North State, wayno, has volunteered to do the t-shirts (with the help of his son, Anthony, the artist of the Carolina Clave T-shirt). However, orders will be taken and money will pass hands before any shirts are handed/mailed out.  The same with the hats I will have done.  Wayno took it in the shorts at the Carolina Clave, and it ain’t gonna happen this time.  Money up front, folks. Dave L.

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Wayno took it in the shorts at the Carolina Clave, and it ain’t gonna happen this time.  

Uh, I thought we weren’t going to talk about that… — Charlie…

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Early results are in, and "Insane" looks like a shoo-in… Isn’t that sort of like saying Charles Manson is ‘peculiar’?<g.

Um……isn’t he?

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Early results are in, and "Insane" looks like a shoo-in… Isn’t that sort of like saying Charles Manson is ‘peculiar’?<g. Um……isn’t he?

It was meant as an understatement, and hopefully his parole board will continue to feel the same way. — Charlie…

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To date I have received deposits from Steve Z., Peter and Charlie Choc.  I need to send deposits asap after the 1st of the year (if we’re all alive by then).  Sooooooooo, those of you who are sitting on the can and not doing anything, send your deposit to: Dave LaCourse 120 Brook St. Hudson, MA  01749 A nice message with the check would be appreciated.  You know, like, "Stick this, LaPlac", or something else appropriate for a roffer to say. Unless otherwise stated, I will have you arriving before lunch on the 10th, and leaving before lunch on the 16th. Dave L., who is doing this either because he is insane or ’cause               "he cares:".

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -To date I have received deposits from Steve Z., Peter and Charlie Choc.  I need to send deposits asap after the 1st of the year (if we’re all alive by then).  Sooooooooo, those of you who are sitting on the can and not doing anything, send your deposit to: Dave LaCourse 120 Brook St. Hudson, MA  01749 A nice message with the check would be appreciated.  You know, like, "Stick this, LaPlac", or something else appropriate for a roffer to say. Unless otherwise stated, I will have you arriving before lunch on the 10th, and leaving before lunch on the 16th. Dave L., who is doing this either because he is insane or ’cause              "he cares:".

Early results are in, and "Insane" looks like a shoo-in… /daytripper ("The check’s in the mail!" ;^)

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If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story… Last weekend my family and I went camping in Yosemite valley.  I will not get into the planning and strategies necessary to camp with seven-month old twins for four nights but suffice to say that I was, by the grace of my dear wife, able to sneak away for a little fishing here and there. If you’ve never been there, well, it really is as pretty as you’ve heard.  And much to my amazement, there are fish swimming in the Merced river — right by the spots that millions (well, hundreds of thousands, anyway) of tourists traverse each summer.  I have always assumed that any water with that ease of access and that many people around would be fished out.  But this isn’t the case here.  I suppose that (a) the artificial fly regulations limit the casual baitfishing that often accompanies camping and (b) most people are there to see El Capitan, Half Dome, and the waterfalls.  Anyway, as it turns out there were fish swimming in both the Merced and Tenaya Creek.  The following is the story of one of those fish. The river is extremely low this time of year — not surprising — and the fishing was challenging.  It was like fishing on a mirror, the water was so smooth, clear, and slow-moving. On the third morning I walked downstream until I got to a spot where Katy and I had seen fish the day before.  The good news was they were rising.  The bad news was I couldn’t figure out what they were rising to as nothing seemed to be coming off the water.  I suspect they were taking emergers of some type but never really figured it out.  I crawled to the water’s edge and started throwing out the usual suspects — small caddis, morning duns, light cahills, mosquitos, even a royal wulff.  Nothing.  Fish would rise just behind my fly so I hadn’t scared them — they had just taken a long look at my offering and found it wanting.  Ok, that’s not working.  I tried fishing a couple of these wet with the same effect.  Just for kicks I tied on an ant and cast that under a few branches.  Nothing. At this point I was getting a little frustrated — I’d been working this pool for practically two hours, watching fish rise the whole time, and hadn’t been able to elicit so much as a strike.  I suppose I should have been happy that I hadn’t scared them yet either but that seemed an awful small victory at the time.  I also started to feel that perhaps I should have paid a little bit closer attention in biology.  Stupid bugs. I retreated to a rock to sit and think for a minute.  Having thrown every likely dry in my box I decided it was time to (as my brother-in-law would say) turn to the dark side.  I started to tie on a royal coachman for an indicator and a small prince nymph dropper off the back of the hook.  As I was sitting working on my knots I heard a rustling in the brushes across the river.  I turned to see what it was and saw a deer and her fawn emerging on the far bank.  They seemed unfazed by my presence — I’m sure they have seen plenty of people — and proceeded down to the river to drink.  Figuring that they would go elsewhere once they caught a good whiff of me (remember it’s day three folks…), I turned my attention back to the river and cast out the double rig. About halfway through the pool — a drift that seemed like it took five minutes — I heard splashing behind me.  The deer were crossing the current and coming my way.  I stopped watching my fly and watched them walk by, no more than 20 feet away at the tree line.  As an aside, I overheard a lot of people that weekend complaining that the only wildlife they saw were squirrels and scrub jays — they just needed to get out of bed a little early, find a likely spot, and sit quietly for a while.  The park isn’t a zoo, folks.  Anyway. I decided that seeing the deer was a pretty cool thing and that I should be happy about that too.  It was getting late and I needed to be heading back to camp to help out with breakfast.  I rationalized that a couple more casts wouldn’t really make me that late, right?  I could walk a little faster back to camp. I cast out once again, just in front of an overhanging branch.  The coachman slowly drifted under the branch and then, suddenly, gone! Eyes to brain:  MSG URGENT you’ve got a strike…  I set the hook and started working on getting the fish in. A couple splashes and quick runs later I was unhooking a surprised 12" brown trout.  I know that the standard joke is that big fish are big and small fish are "nice" or "pretty" or "jewels" but I never get over the brilliant markings on a brown trout.  So colorful. That pretty much made the morning.  I cut off the flies, put them back in my box, reeled up my line, and humped it back to camp double-time — just in time for a fresh batch of pancakes off the griddle.  My brother-in-law and father-in-law (who had both declined to go with me that morning) did not believe me about my catch, but my wife saw the look in my eye and knew that I had indeed been successful in my hunt. I ended up getting back to this spot later in the afternoon, ready to go at it again, but by then the river was full of kids throwing rocks and splashing around.  The moment to fish that spot had passed — we were leaving the next morning.  I know that a more accomplished angler may have pulled five or six fish out of that pool in the two-plus hours that I worked it, but that one fish was like a reward, payoff for patience and sticking at it. Thanks for reading, BW Brad Williams father of twins — fly fisher — teller of long stories * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Brad, Nice story.. I believe you!  :) Made me want to fish!! -Mark If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story…

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If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story…

Nice story, glad you got a fish. TL MC

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Nice story Brad.  The smooth water in the meadows is fun to fish, but the fish are easier to catch if you go upstream to where the white water is. The fish are wild since they quit stocking hatchery trout in the park. Ernie Harrison Have you tried a Blood Knot Machine?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2

If you’d be so kind as to indulge me in a little fish story…

<nice story snipped – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Brad Williams

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I have a small pond I can fish that is full of 2lb. Channel Cats. The depth runs from 2 to 10 feet. How should I go about catching them on a fly. I would be most thankful for any suggestions.

Small streamers or wooly buggers will work – as the previous responses suggested, but the most consistent channel cat "fly" for me has been a 1/64 oz. mini-jig. Try white marabou or tensile.   —

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Try chicken livers.  Just wear a splatter guard and watch the backcast’s near other people in the area…. Seriously though,  catfish rely on scent but I have caught many while fishing for bass  with big crankbaits.  This summer I am going to try dunking a couple of homemade flies into chicken liver guts in area that I have caught catfish before.  We will see what happens!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a small pond I can fish that is full of 2lb. Channel Cats. The depth runs from 2 to 10 feet. How should I go about catching them on a fly. I would be most thankful for any suggestions. Small streamers or wooly buggers will work – as the previous responses suggested, but the most consistent channel cat "fly" for me has been a 1/64 oz. mini-jig. Try white marabou or tensile.   —

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I’ve done well on chrome-eyed matukas (the eyes for weight), especially in the late spring with they hunt the shallows.  They can bruise you…

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My brother and I were out fishing for Largemouths with wooly buggers (BLACK) and he put down a 10lb. channel cat.  He played the damned thing for 35 minutes before he released him. —-just a suggestion JW KRAMEROn Wed, 26 Feb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a small pond I can fish that is full of 2lb. Channel Cats. The depth runs from 2 to 10 feet. How should I go about catching them on a fly. I would be most thankful for any suggestions. Thank you, Shawn Anything that looks like a baitfish should work. When I lived in Kansas I would occasionally catch them on streamers and decievers. Charlie…

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I have a small pond I can fish that is full of 2lb. Channel Cats. The depth runs from 2 to 10 feet. How should I go about catching them on a fly. I would be most thankful for any suggestions. Thank you, Shawn

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I have a small pond I can fish that is full of 2lb. Channel Cats. The depth runs from 2 to 10 feet. How should I go about catching them on a fly. I would be most thankful for any suggestions. Thank you, Shawn

Anything that looks like a baitfish should work. When I lived in Kansas I would occasionally catch them on streamers and decievers. Charlie…

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What would be the best way to fish at Henry’s lake in Sept. From the bank or boat or would the best fishing be in streams in the area?

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I have fished Henry’s Lake a number of times in Sept. and October.  It can be very good in the fall.  I prefer Henry’s Lake because the fish are big, strong cut-throats and they are ready to eat.  I have fished mostly from a float tube and find it to work very well.  I use a full sinking line and olive or brown crystal buggers. I would suggest that you call a guide at Henry’s Lake by the name of Bill Schiff.  I think that is the right spelling.  His fly fishing store is right on the main hwy. just before you head up the canyon to West Yellowstone.  He knows Henry’s better than almost anyone I know. If it were me, I’d stay on Henry’s Lake unless it is real windy.  At that point, I’d go over to Cliff or Wade Lakes in Montana to do the same type of fishing.

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I have fished Henry’s a number of times in September.  I find that the

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  I am from the Hartford ,CT. area and do most of my fishing either on the CT./RI. line out of the Pawcatuck River where I launch my boat and fish the Watch Hill,RI. area., or near the mouth of the CT. River in Old Saybrook,CT. where I have another residence to go to but I would like some pointers on where to go (with or without  the  boat) on the western Sound because of the late season world class Striper fishery to be found there. My preference is fly fishing but I also do some three waying,trolling and bait drifting.               Thanks;                                                 Glen

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I grew up fishing the Greenwich shoreline, which offers excellent casting opportunities.  The stretch from the mouth of the Mianus River, including Goose, Bluff and Diving Islands, all the way to Greenwich harbor is particularly "prime."  Best tide:  Half tide falling.  Second choice: Half tide rising.  A trout fisherman would feel quite at home in the river mouth/island areas, as striped bass position themselves behind boulders, islands, points, etc. and wait for bait to be swept toward them by the current (tide).  There is a large fly fishing community in this area. Greenwich Cove area also is good–usually for smaller fish.  Here, it is a sod bank/quiet water environment.  Best tide:  3 hours either side of high.

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James, The world’s largest (sales volume) flyfishing store is in my hometown and the people there are incredibly helpful.  Give them a call between the hours of 9 and 6. Good luck.  The name of the store is Bob Marriott’s and the number is 714-525-1827.

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Family member recently received as a gift from his father, a bamboo fly rod manufactured by Horrocks-Ibbotson, Utica, NY. We are looking for any information about the age and/or value of this rod. It’s 9′ long with all guides in tact. Thanks for any information any of you can provide about this. Jim McMillan Jim McMillan, Internet Training Specialist Cooperative Extension Service, University of Illinois 548 Bevier Hall, 905 S.Goodwin, Urbana, IL 61801 **** (217) 244-0346 (O) **** (217) 837-2610 (H)

Jim: I have a friend who is a bamboo rodmaker and he knows a lot of the historical info on a variety of rods.  If he can’t tell you anything he probably can point you to someone who can.  Call Steve Roche at (916) 258-2849. Good Luck!! Paul

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Family member recently received as a gift from his father, a bamboo fly rod manufactured by Horrocks-Ibbotson, Utica, NY. We are looking for any information about the age and/or value of this rod. It’s 9′ long with all guides in tact. Thanks for any information any of you can provide about this. Jim McMillan Jim McMillan, Internet Training Specialist Cooperative Extension Service, University of Illinois 548 Bevier Hall, 905 S.Goodwin, Urbana, IL 61801 **** (217) 244-0346 (O) **** (217) 837-2610 (H)

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H&I made hundreds of thousands of rods. I think they were #2 behind Montague in number sold.   They also had a seemingly infinite number of grade and models. From exceedingly cheap to some pretty decent rods. I would need some info on what the incription on the rod said to start giving you a value. Due to current fashion the 9′ rods are worth a bit less than the shorter lengths. A.J.Thramer Bamboo rodbuilder

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Family member recently received as a gift from his father, a bamboo fly rod manufactured by Horrocks-Ibbotson, Utica, NY. We are looking for any information about the age and/or value of this rod. It’s 9′ long with all

Current prices for this well-known line of US rods on http://www.gorp.com/bamboo.html — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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James: All I can add to the other replies on this is that the rod certainly won’t have great monetary value, even if it turns out to be one of H-I’s better models.  I don’t recall ever seeing an H-I rod sell for more than about $250, and maybe not more than $150 for the nine-footers, which, as somebody else noted, were made in the largest numbers and are not much in demand these days.  On the other hand, I have a couple of better H-Is that cast decently, so you should try it out and perhaps find you have one of the high-end models.  Good luck. George Black

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