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Mike, I generally like dogpile too, but here’s another that searches 37 search engines at the same time. When I’m having trouble finding something, I resort to this. The only problem is taking the time to go through all the stuff it finds.

Do you have the URL? I have a couple of search systems, and I get plenty of hits on some of this stuff, but it takes hours sorting them out for anything useful. TL MC

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Try www.prophish.com I think that they make something similar to what you describe.  As to it’s price and suitability for your purpose, I couldn’t say. I don’t know what search engine(s) you use, but try www.dogpile.com next

Thanks Tom, I have seen the prophish system, very nice but mainly for kayaks and catamarans, etc, far too expensive anyway. I simply need a right angled drive transmission in a sealed housing, on whichj a sprocket may be mounted. Ordinary bicycle bearings etc, and a stainless chain would complete the assembly.  I want to keep my hands free when driving the boat, and I do not wish to rely on engines. If absolutely  necessary I will build one, but experience suggests this also takes considerable time and money. Perhaps a lawn tractor transmission or similar would be appropriate. I will keep looking. Thanks. TL MC

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Nobody else with even a little experience of the boats I mentioned?  I would be most appreciative. I must decide by Friday, and I hate making decisions without sufficient information, one invariably regrets them. TL MC

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Mike, For the DH400 and Navigator II descriptions, see http://www.Caddis-mfg.com/pontoon.htm No experience with them but am interested in reports myself. Bob reply to ellisb at t e l e p o r t   d o t   c o m – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nobody else with even a little experience of the boats I mentioned?  I would be most appreciative. I must decide by Friday, and I hate making decisions without sufficient information, one invariably regrets them. TL MC

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(Hits forehead with palm of hand and says, "Duh!") (Not really, it was something a little stronger.) Sorry about that. I’m gettin’ old and having increasingly frequent brain farts. And I wonder why I can’t tie a fly… Here’s the URL for the "37-search-engine search engine:" http://www.compaweb.net/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Randy, it might help if you actually gave Mike the url Mike, I generally like dogpile too, but here’s another that searches 37 search engines at the same time. When I’m having trouble finding something, I resort to this. The only problem is taking the time to go through all the stuff it finds. Randy One other thing which somebody might know.   I am looking for a pedal driven propeller. Pedal and chain drive as on a bicycle, but fitted with gears to drive a propeller shaft. Any ideas? TL MC Try www.prophish.com I think that they make something similar to what you describe.  As to it’s price and suitability for your purpose, I couldn’t say. I don’t know what search engine(s) you use, but try www.dogpile.com next time you’re looking for something.  Dogpile is a metasearch engine that searches something like 15 search engines for you.  Use a lot of quotation marks.  I searched for "fly fishing" "pontoon boat" and got a fair # of results back.  You can always add the boat name to this search string for narrower results.  Don’t use quotes unless you are positive that the boat name is exactly as you type it, otherwise you won’t get the results you want. Good luck, and watch out for those lorries! Tom G

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Mike, For the DH400 and Navigator II descriptions, see http://www.Caddis-mfg.com/pontoon.htm No experience with them but am interested in reports myself.

Thanks Bob,  I will let you know what I decide and why, if that is of any use. TL MC

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(Hits forehead with palm of hand and says, "Duh!") (Not really, it was something a little stronger.)

 Thanks !  ( Not for hitting your head, for the URL )) TL MC

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Mike, I went to the site today and discovered that they’ve re-vamped it a bit. Now to find the 37-engine search site, you have to move down the menu on the left. ‘Took me a minute. It used to be prominently displayed in the middle of the page. Randy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Hits forehead with palm of hand and says, "Duh!") (Not really, it was something a little stronger.)  Thanks !  ( Not for hitting your head, for the URL )) TL MC

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Randy, it might help if you actually gave Mike the url

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, I generally like dogpile too, but here’s another that searches 37 search engines at the same time. When I’m having trouble finding something, I resort to this. The only problem is taking the time to go through all the stuff it finds. Randy One other thing which somebody might know.   I am looking for a pedal driven propeller. Pedal and chain drive as on a bicycle, but fitted with gears to drive a propeller shaft. Any ideas? TL MC Try www.prophish.com I think that they make something similar to what you describe.  As to it’s price and suitability for your purpose, I couldn’t say. I don’t know what search engine(s) you use, but try

www.dogpile.com next – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – time you’re looking for something.  Dogpile is a metasearch engine that searches something like 15 search engines for you.  Use a lot of quotation marks.  I searched for "fly fishing" "pontoon boat" and got a fair # of results back.  You can always add the boat name to this search string for narrower results.  Don’t use quotes unless you are positive that the boat name is exactly as you type it, otherwise you won’t get the results you want. Good luck, and watch out for those lorries! Tom G

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Hey Mike,   I have a Caddis float tube/pontoon and it seems pretty good.I haven’t gotten a chance to take it out yet but I did put it together and inflate it.The bladder tube comes with a lifetime warranty, which is good because I blew mine up the first day I had it because I’m used to a truck inner tube and I guess I overinflated it.The company sent me a new one within a week.Cabelas lists most of the pontoons that you mentioned and they do have an online catalog. Regards,Shawn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mike, For the DH400 and Navigator II descriptions, see http://www.Caddis-mfg.com/pontoon.htm No experience with them but am interested in reports myself. Thanks Bob,  I will let you know what I decide and why, if that is of any use. TL MC

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One other thing which somebody might know.   I am looking for a pedal driven propeller. Pedal and chain drive as on a bicycle, but fitted with gears to drive a propeller shaft. Any ideas?

Hey Mike,  are you off after that there ferox again?  Want to spare your shoulders this time eh?

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Mike, I generally like dogpile too, but here’s another that searches 37 search engines at the same time. When I’m having trouble finding something, I resort to this. The only problem is taking the time to go through all the stuff it finds. Randy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One other thing which somebody might know.   I am looking for a pedal driven propeller. Pedal and chain drive as on a bicycle, but fitted with gears to drive a propeller shaft. Any ideas? TL MC Try www.prophish.com I think that they make something similar to what you describe.  As to it’s price and suitability for your purpose, I couldn’t say. I don’t know what search engine(s) you use, but try www.dogpile.com next time you’re looking for something.  Dogpile is a metasearch engine that searches something like 15 search engines for you.  Use a lot of quotation marks.  I searched for "fly fishing" "pontoon boat" and got a fair # of results back.  You can always add the boat name to this search string for narrower results.  Don’t use quotes unless you are positive that the boat name is exactly as you type it, otherwise you won’t get the results you want. Good luck, and watch out for those lorries! Tom G

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My home made pontoon boat has given up the ghost,  a lorry backed over it this morning, as I was attempting to prepare it for a Baltic trip. I would like to get one fairly quickly, and don

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I’m looking for a fresh water fly fishing buddy.  I live in Fairfax county.

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OK weevee66.  You wanna fish for trout and smallmouth or are shad, carp, largemouth, catfish and other trash fish your main quarry?  When were you born and what is your real name?  Many of us posted brief Bios awhile back. Care to do the same?  Send me a private e-mail with a detailed listing of all your best secret fishing holes and we will talk.  I’m just outside of Fredericksburg. Wayne To fish is human…to release divine. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for a fresh water fly fishing buddy.  I live in Fairfax county.

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Dear Jim, Welcome to the group. I wish I had any advice for you, alas, all I can offer are cyber-hugs and the belief that someone else here will have some useful information. This is a great group, they’ve all helped me a lot! Alex

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hello, I’m new to  this group,,actuall this is my first post to any news group although I am in a couple of e-mail list servers for my own major addiction (which is fly fishing),, I am a 42 year old male and have been having problems with migraines at least as far back as first grade (a long,long time) it seems that whenever I go to a doctor about my headaches I get treated like some kind of drug addict and I’m only trying to get otherwise illegal drugs from them,,the nuerologist at the Mayo clinic after trying me on every migraine prophilactic medication he knew of called my headaches "intractable" and wanted me to go to their "pain management sessions"where from what my younger sister (who went through the program)they teach you how "to pretend you don’t hurt",, mental tricks that anyone who has put up with severe headaches for over 35 years knows by instinct or they would have put a bullet through their head a long time ago,,,I use to get some relief using 400 to 800 mg Ibuprofen,,,but did that so often and for so long that I now have an active ulcer ,, so I can not use any of the anti-inflamitory meds,,,and with my headaches happening at a rate of 3 to 6 days a week now my PCP has even stopped prescribing any of the triptains(which only worked for about 50% of my headaches anyway) and has put a note into my chart sayingt that NO narcotic meds were to be administered in the ER anymore either,, so I am without any medical help at all right now,,when I last was at the clinic I was told if I can’t take care of my headaches with extra strength Tylenol that they couldn’t help me,, sorry to be rambling so,, Jim Peterson aka Bear

Jim, It’s time to go "doctor shopping" in your area. You have the absolute right to have "effective" medications prescribed to you for your condition. Your story makes me furious! Others here may have some suggestions, but when all else fails, you can call a pharmacist and merely ask if he/she knows a local doctor who is "liberal" with pain medications. Good Luck, RxMan

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hello, I’m new to  this group,,actuall this is my first post to any news group although I am in a couple of e-mail list servers for my own major addiction (which is fly fishing),, I am a 42 year old male and have been having problems with migraines at least as far back as first grade (a long,long time) it seems that whenever I go to a doctor about my headaches I get treated like some kind of drug addict and I’m only trying to get otherwise illegal drugs from them,,the nuerologist at the Mayo clinic after trying me on every migraine prophilactic medication he knew of called my headaches "intractable" and wanted me to go to their "pain management sessions"where from what my younger sister (who went through the program)they teach you how "to pretend you don’t hurt",, mental tricks that anyone who has put up with severe headaches for over 35 years knows by instinct or they would have put a bullet through their head a long time ago,,,I use to get some relief using 400 to 800 mg Ibuprofen,,,but did that so often and for so long that I now have an active ulcer ,, so I can not use any of the anti-inflamitory meds,,,and with my headaches happening at a rate of 3 to 6 days a week now my PCP has even stopped prescribing any of the triptains(which only worked for about 50% of my headaches anyway) and has put a note into my chart sayingt that NO narcotic meds were to be administered in the ER anymore either,, so I am without any medical help at all right now,,when I last was at the clinic I was told if I can’t take care of my headaches with extra strength Tylenol that they couldn’t help me,, sorry to be rambling so,, Jim Peterson aka Bear

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Welcome to the group Jim.  I felt so bad when I read your post.  I know it doesn’t help much but many of us have been in your situation before.  I myself was just a few months ago.  I was finally referred to a pain clinic that teaches all sorts of coping along with using medication to control my pain. They also have me in physical therapy and counseling.  I’ve been going 8 hours every Wed.   I had no idea a place like that was out there until I kept switching doctor and finally found one that referred me to this place.  Don’t give up!  There has got to be a place out there for you.  I know how discouraged you must be and so do many of us.  Please feel free to rant and rave and vent here as much as you need if it helps.  Be careful with lots of OTC meds, it may be your only relief although minimal, but it can lead to lots of problems at high dosages and some have found it to cause rebounds. Take care I sure hope you’re feeling OK today anyway. Stephanie in OR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -hello, I’m new to  this group,,actuall this is my first post to any news group although I am in a couple of e-mail list servers for my own major addiction (which is fly fishing),, I am a 42 year old male and have been having problems with migraines at least as far back as first grade (a long,long time) it seems that whenever I go to a doctor about my headaches I get treated like some kind of drug addict and I’m only trying to get otherwise illegal drugs from them,,the nuerologist at the Mayo clinic after trying me on every migraine prophilactic medication he knew of called my headaches "intractable" and wanted me to go to their "pain management sessions"where from what my younger sister (who went through the program)they teach you how "to pretend you don’t hurt",, mental tricks that anyone who has put up with severe headaches for over 35 years knows by instinct or they would have put a bullet through their head a long time ago,,,I use to get some relief using 400 to 800 mg Ibuprofen,,,but did that so often and for so long that I now have an active ulcer ,, so I can not use any of the anti-inflamitory meds,,,and with my headaches happening at a rate of 3 to 6 days a week now my PCP has even stopped prescribing any of the triptains(which only worked for about 50% of my headaches anyway) and has put a note into my chart sayingt that NO narcotic meds were to be administered in the ER anymore either,, so I am without any medical help at all right now,,when I last was at the clinic I was told if I can’t take care of my headaches with extra strength Tylenol that they couldn’t help me,, sorry to be rambling so,, Jim Peterson aka Bear

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Jim, Welcome!  You have my sympathies.  What a tough situation…I can’t even imagine. I’m sure that someone in the group can help you.  Good luck. Dawn

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I can really relate…..(As I posted earlier) I was just told this week that my PCP will no longer give me pain meds and that I need to "tough" out my migraines.  To me, that is unacceptable.  Doctor shopping is hard…to date, I have now seen 15 doctors (in 8 years)- all referring me on to another, but I think it’s well worth it when the right one is found. I really just want to welcome you to the ng…and hopefully give you some of the support it’s given me. -Erin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hello, I’m new to  this group,,actuall this is my first post to any news group although I am in a couple of e-mail list servers for my own major addiction (which is fly fishing),, I am a 42 year old male and have been having problems with migraines at least as far back as first grade (a long,long time) it seems that whenever I go to a doctor about my headaches I get treated like some kind of drug addict and I’m only trying to get otherwise illegal drugs from them,,the nuerologist at the Mayo clinic after trying me on every migraine prophilactic medication he knew of called my headaches "intractable" and wanted me to go to their "pain management sessions"where from what my younger sister (who went through the program)they teach you how "to pretend you don’t hurt",, mental tricks that anyone who has put up with severe headaches for over 35 years knows by instinct or they would have put a bullet through their head a long time ago,,,I use to get some relief using 400 to 800 mg Ibuprofen,,,but did that so often and for so long that I now have an active ulcer ,, so I can not use any of the anti-inflamitory meds,,,and with my headaches happening at a rate of 3 to 6 days a week now my PCP has even stopped prescribing any of the triptains(which only worked for about 50% of my headaches anyway) and has put a note into my chart sayingt that NO narcotic meds were to be administered in the ER anymore either,, so I am without any medical help at all right now,,when I last was at the clinic I was told if I can’t take care of my headaches with extra strength Tylenol that they couldn’t help me,, sorry to be rambling so,, Jim Peterson aka Bear

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Hi Jim, Just wanted to say welcome to the group.  Sorry you’re having such a rough time right now with doctors and pain meds.  I’m not sure what to advise, but I know others will help you if they can. Take care, Fiona May yer lum aye reek wi’ other folks coal (Scottish)

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I use to say that I didn’t know anyone who I disliked bad enough to wish a migraine attack upon,, I have changed my mind in that regard,,every person in the DEA and every single doctor should have to endure one of the 3 week straight migraines that I have and a lot of you have had to live with,,and I bet a lot of things would be different for all of us.

I completely agree.   Sometimes I even think that the people who say, "Oh, you get headaches?  Headaches are nothing …. Just take some asprin"  should really experience the type of "headache" that I get – The kind that even a high dose of Demerol and a couple of Vicodin won’t kick.  Thank the gods that I finally found a migraine doc – and at Kaiser, no less!   Pain free days and nights to u all

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Dotty, Could it possibly be Dr. Neal Barnard’s book, "Foods that Fight Pain"?  Just read an article on it. Mona T.

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I think your best bet is to call the radio station and ask them. diane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone help me locate a book recently published. The author was interviewed on a New York radio station: WOR, the Joan Hamburg show. It was approx. 1-2 months ago.  I heard just the tail end of the interview but did not get the name of the book. I know that the author was male and he was able to successfully treat his migraines and hasn’t had one for two years. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks- Dotty

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Jim,     Welcome to the group.  I hate to hear of stories like yours!  It is so aggrivating!. I agree wtiht he others, it is probably time to find a new doctor.  I hope you find a good doctor very soon.   Take care, Jackie K

Jackie and everyone else , I should have known what this Dr was going to be like when I saw the certificates on the wall from the US Army,,but the Dr. that I had been going to who was pretty understanding when it came to pain had retired and this was the only Dr. I could get in to see without a 3 week advance appointment ,, others have warned about being carefull with OTC medications,,boy do I know that,, I now have an active ulcer directly caused by too many years of too much Ibuprfen,,I have asked the neurologist (again) at the Mayo Clinic (40 miles away for me) to refer me to the Pain Clinic,at Rochester Methodist Hospital,,that is where he said he was going to refer me when I last spoke with him but instead I got sent to the Pain Managment Center,, a completely different type of place, but his secretary says that he will be out of the country for the next 3 weeks,,by shorty after that I should be getting some pain relief as a follow up to the surgery I am going to be having to repair a bone spur and a torn rotator cuff in my shoulder,,,if I would have known I was going to live this long I would have taken much better care of myself,, I use to say that I didn’t know anyone who I disliked bad enough to wish a migraine attack upon,, I have changed my mind in that regard,,every person in the DEA and every single doctor should have to endure one of the 3 week straight migraines that I have and a lot of you have had to live with,,and I bet a lot of things would be different for all of us. Jim Peterson aka Bear

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I amnot sure which book you are talking about but if you go to my migraine page : http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/7379/migraine.html you can check out some books on migraine….I think there are over 50 of them. Karen Can anyone help me locate a book recently published. The author was interviewed on a New York radio station: WOR, the Joan Hamburg show. It was approx. 1-2 months ago.  I heard just the tail end of the interview but did not get the name of the book. I know that the author was male and he was able to successfully treat his migraines and hasn’t had one for two years. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks- Dotty

– You Are Not Alone http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/7379/karen.html

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Can anyone help me locate a book recently published. The author was interviewed on a New York radio station: WOR, the Joan Hamburg show. It was approx. 1-2 months ago.  I heard just the tail end of the interview but did not get the name of the book. I know that the author was male and he was able to successfully treat his migraines and hasn’t had one for two years. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks- Dotty

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Jim,      Welcome to the group.  I hate to hear of stories like yours!  It is so aggrivating!. I agree wtiht he others, it is probably time to find a new doctor.  I hope you find a good doctor very soon.   Take care, Jackie K

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I will be leaving March 14th to fish Baja, anyone have any experience or recommendations for fly’s to use. Thank You Dan

Hi Dan, I think that white is a good basic color for saltwater streamers and then put green, or blue or red on top. Green over yellow is also good. Flash is good. I would use 2/0 to 5/0 hooks and flies from 3 to 6 inches. We like poppers or popper heads in front of streamers. I mostly hear that the summer months are better for fly fishing in Baja. I guess May through October with June and July being very popular from Mulege to La Paz. Most anglers that go down in the winter return with stories of mostly trolling with flies. I am sure there are exceptions and I’m sure their are some experts that have wired in the winter. To motor out in the Sea of Cortez, stop the motor and cast, you need lots of fish. That is way we have gone to Loreto for the last 15 years in July.  On a good year, you can park the boat on a sargassum patty and cast popper for schooling Dorado from 10 to 20 pounds and bigger. I wish the fly fishing was better in the winter because it is hot as hell in the summer. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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You might check <Baja on the Fly  by Nick Curcione, Amato Publications, 503/ 653-8108

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I will be leaving March 14th to fish Baja, anyone have any experience or recommendations for fly’s to use.

There are 2,000 miles of shoreline down there.  You don’t mention if you are using a boat, what weight rod, target species.  Can’t help you much unless you give more info… -John Thank You Dan

–        My Policy is to ALWAYS Blame the Computer

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yea I have a suggestion take me     well anyways thought id try good luck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I will be leaving March 14th to fish Baja, anyone have any experience or recommendations for fly’s to use. Thank You Dan

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I will be leaving March 14th to fish Baja, anyone have any experience or recommendations for fly’s to use. Thank You Dan

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<www.bajafly.com

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I use an oval Caddis float tube, and have occasion to run into the wind in the afternoons on the Sierra lakes I frequent.  A couple of years ago I picked up a nylon anchor bag, that comes with several fathoms of 3/8′ nylon rope.  It’s really changed the way I fish lakes. The bag allows me to determine how much weight I need to use depending upon the strength of the wind, but I’ve found that 2-3 fist sized rocks will usually do the job.  Even with rocks, the bag will fit into a pocket on my tube, so I needn’t drag it around as I travel.  If the wind is lighter than anticipated, I drop a rock, and if it picks up, I’m never very far from shore where I can grab another. I’ve attached a one-handed snap-swivel to the rope, and that makes it easy to change the attachment point to different d-rings on the tube, because the attachment point inevitably ends up upwind, although it’s not too difficult to maintain a casting position facing in any direction, once I’m anchored. My fishing buddy, an ex-swabby, says that for any given depth, the anchor line should be increased as the wind increases.  He gave me some sort of naval term for it, which I disremember, but a longer line helps the anchor hold better in heavier winds.  See illustration below. [Image] Many is the time I’ll anchor out in the middle of a lake, and cast upwind.  I’ll let the wind move my fly and I find that this method puts my fly over lots of fish.  When I want to move, I just pull the thing off the bottom, and either kick to a new location, or let the wind take me.  At first I worried that I wouldn’t know when the anchor hit bottom, but I find there’s no mistaking it. Tubing changed the way I fish lakes, and the anchor has changed the way I tube. Anglerboy — Trout fear me, Women want me. http://www.midtown.net/~angler/ Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML

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Dave I have been float tubeing now for 3 years, Although I don’t profess to being an expert I will gladly share with you my thoughts on the technique. No doubt other float tubers will have there own ideas, Inparticular the anglers that fish running waters. With regards to the techniqe I find that a  most satisfactory method to fish is a slow figure of eight but be careful of the all too common takes on the lift. When float tubeing I normally fish with two flies, Some anglers fish with one some with two it,s really what you feel most comfortable with. But bearing in mind you have not got the same luxury of extendable landing nets. This thought should hopefully help you with your selection of leader length. From what I have witnessed rod lengths again vary from angler to angler from say 9′ to 11′,  Again I’m talking still waters. River anglers may go down to 7′ or 8′, I personally use a 101/2′ rod which I find quite adequate. With referance to casting, As with any type of fly fishing you still have to load the rod. Again this depends on individual skills, Having said that many fish I have found are caught short lineing. Retrieving options are as varied as boat or bank angling, My advise on this would be to use them all. On the matter of loseing your rod whilst unhooking a fish or maybe having a sandwich, beer, ect. Most float tubes have two Velcro straps at the front of the tube to secure your rod. Additional tips. 1) Walk into the water backwards when launching. 2) Wear a bouyancy aid. 3) Tie your flippers to your ankles, (Individually of coarse). 4) Don’t drink too much fluid if you have a weak bladder, This can be most embarrassing but you can always blame it on leeking waders. 5) Observe all the safety guidlines set down by The Health and Safety Executive, Details can be obtained from The British Float Tube Association (See below). The British Float Tube Association Secretary Andre’ Russell 24 Merton Avenue, Syston, Leicester. LE7 2JP. Tel: 0116-260-6924. Hope this helps, Let us know how you get on. Tight lines. Tony Connor : Next week I am going float tubeing for the first time on a still water : and I need help with the answers to a few questions. : : What techniques are recommended. : : How many Flies do I fish, I will be using either an 8foot or 9 foot rod. : : In fact what is the best rod length. : : How long a leader. : : How far do I cast, do use enough line to load the rod from pickup or do : I cast further. : : Do I retieve or use loch style with a hang before a simple up and out : recast. : : How do I stop the rod falling into the water and sinking into the depths : when I change flies or land a fish, do I keep it attached to the tube. : : Any more tips. : : Dave Bolt : UK :

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Dave I have been float tubeing now for 3 years, Although I don’t profess to being an expert I will gladly share with you my thoughts on the technique. No doubt other float tubers will have there own ideas, Inparticular the anglers that fish running waters. With regards to the techniqe I find that a  most satisfactory method to fish is a slow figure of eight but be careful of the all too common takes on the lift. When float tubeing I normally fish with two flies, Some anglers fish with one some with two it,s really what you feel most comfortable with. But bearing in mind you have not got the same luxury of extendable landing nets. This thought should hopefully help you with your selection of leader length. From what I have witnessed rod lengths again vary from angler to angler from say 9′ to 11′,  Again I’m talking still waters. River anglers may go down to 7′ or 8′, I personally use a 101/2′ rod which I find quite adequate. With referance to casting, As with any type of fly fishing you still have to load the rod. Again this depends on individual skills, Having said that many fish I have found are caught short lineing. Retrieving options are as varied as boat or bank angling, My advise on this would be to use them all. On the matter of loseing your rod whilst unhooking a fish or maybe having a sandwich, beer, ect. Most float tubes have two Velcro straps at the front of the tube to secure your rod. Additional tips. 1) Walk into the water backwards when launching. 2) Wear a bouyancy aid. 3) Tie your flippers to your ankles, (Individually of coarse). 4) Don’t drink too much fluid if you have a weak bladder, This can be most embarrassing but you can always blame it on leeking waders. 5) Observe all the safety guidlines set down by The Health and Safety Executive, Details can be obtained from The British Float Tube Association (See below). The British Float Tube Association Secretary Andre’ Russell 24 Merton Avenue, Syston, Leicester. LE7 2JP. Tel: 0116-260-6924. Hope this helps, Let us know how you get on. Tight lines. Tony Connor U.K. Lancashire. : Next week I am going float tubeing for the first time on a still water : and I need help with the answers to a few questions. : : What techniques are recommended. : : How many Flies do I fish, I will be using either an 8foot or 9 foot rod. : : In fact what is the best rod length. : : How long a leader. : : How far do I cast, do use enough line to load the rod from pickup or do : I cast further. : : Do I retieve or use loch style with a hang before a simple up and out : recast. : : How do I stop the rod falling into the water and sinking into the depths : when I change flies or land a fish, do I keep it attached to the tube. : : Any more tips. : : Dave Bolt : UK :

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: One thing I did find a problem was trying to stay orientated relative to : the wind. The tendency was to rotate until I was head on to the wind. I : was in a round bucks bag tube. : I find the wind to be a real pain in the rear, and would be interested : in hearing about any type of anchor used by other belly boaters.  On a big : lake it is hard to maintain a steady position or to determine how fast : your fly is dragging due to the wind. The best way that I have to deal with the wind is to keep at my back. This allows me to slowly kick so that I can maintain postion and steer the tube back into the position I want. It does not take much effrot to do this, and I can stay "put" in any wind that I can cast in. Of course, this is not always possible with some spots that I want to fish. Then, I’ll drift like I would in a canoe and paddle back to drift again. And remember, whitecaps breaking over your casting apron is nature’s way of telling you to knock off the foolishness and head for shore. ;- — Jon Porter

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Sue wants to know, will a big fish tow you round the water. Should we get in some water skiing practice

We have a local lake that the ODF&W (Oregon Dept. of Fish & Wildlife) puts the spawned out hatchery steelhead into each year.  A friend of mine hooked one last spring and spent two hours with it towing him around the lake.  He couldn’t do a thing about it.  And, he ended up taking the fish home for a few meals. — Tight Threads,         Charley Renn         Corvallis, OR

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Next week I am going float tubeing for the first time on a still water and I need help with the answers to a few questions. What techniques are recommended. How many Flies do I fish, I will be using either an 8foot or 9 foot rod. At once? One or more up to as many as you can handle. In fact what is the best rod length. Generally longer is better in a tube as you are so close to the water. How long a leader. for a surface presentation 12 feet is about average for sinking lines 5 or 6 feet is averge . How far do I cast, do use enough line to load the rod from pickup or do I cast further. however far away the fish are. You should be able to get closer to fish and hence cast a shorter line. Do I retieve or use loch style with a hang before a simple up and out recast. How do I stop the rod falling into the water and sinking into the depths when I change flies or land a fish, do I keep it attached to the tube. I stick the reel end of the rod sort of into my lap or between my knees. Many tubes have velcro bits on either side of the stripping apron lay your rod across these and fasten with the velcro before you start fiddling with fly boxes and cutting leaders Any more tips. Take a piss before you go out and take some water (NO BEER!) with you. I’ve had problems with leg cramps brought on by lack of fuids. Dave Bolt UK Ralph H

 I second the idea to take a piss before you enter the water!!! HEHEHE. Looks kinda silly kicking to the shore only to urinate all over your waders because you can’t pull em down fast enogh…

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Next week I am going float tubeing for the first time on a still water and I need help with the answers to a few questions.

Just a couple general pointers. 1. Wear a lfe vest. 2. Scout the area and find a nice flat, firm bottom on which to enter. 3. Make sure you’re familiar with your tube. Think about how you’d get out in a problem. 4. Inflate it properly. Not too much and not too little. 5. Keep it close to shore – real close –  until you’re comfortable, and understand your ability. 6. Pee before you begin. 7. Narrow down your  tackle to the bear minimum. 8. Consider doing it on a small body of water on a calm day. Every spring, after a long winter of no physical activity, I get leg cramps my first time or two out. Keep it slow, stop and rest as soon as a cramp begins. Good luck, John Nesselrode Shawnee, KS

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Next week I am going float tubeing for the first time on a still water and I need help with the answers to a few questions. What techniques are recommended. How many Flies do I fish, I will be using either an 8foot or 9 foot rod. In fact what is the best rod length. How long a leader. How far do I cast, do use enough line to load the rod from pickup or do I cast further. Do I retieve or use loch style with a hang before a simple up and out recast. How do I stop the rod falling into the water and sinking into the depths when I change flies or land a fish, do I keep it attached to the tube. Any more tips. Dave Bolt UK

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Next week I am going float tubeing for the first time on a still water and I need help with the answers to a few questions. What techniques are recommended. How many Flies do I fish, I will be using either an 8foot or 9 foot rod.

At once? One or more up to as many as you can handle. In fact what is the best rod length.

Generally longer is better in a tube as you are so close to the water. How long a leader.

for a surface presentation 12 feet is about average for sinking lines 5 or 6 feet is averge . How far do I cast, do use enough line to load the rod from pickup or do I cast further.

however far away the fish are. You should be able to get closer to fish and hence cast a shorter line. Do I retieve or use loch style with a hang before a simple up and out recast. How do I stop the rod falling into the water and sinking into the depths when I change flies or land a fish, do I keep it attached to the tube.

I stick the reel end of the rod sort of into my lap or between my knees. Many tubes have velcro bits on either side of the stripping apron lay your rod across these and fasten with the velcro before you start fiddling with fly boxes and cutting leaders Any more tips.

Take a piss before you go out and take some water (NO BEER!) with you. I’ve had problems with leg cramps brought on by lack of fuids. Dave Bolt UK

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Hi my name is Eric, I may be moving to northern Indiana near south bend come beginning of may do to job oppertunity.  Are there any lakes close by besides michigan that contain nice size walleyes.  any names would be greatly appreciated.  also love to bass and fly fish so they would halp also. thank you ERIC

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Hi my name is Eric, I may be moving to northern Indiana near south bend come beginning of may do to job oppertunity.  Are there any lakes close by besides michigan that contain nice size walleyes.  any names would be greatly appreciated.  also love to bass and fly fish so they would halp also. thank you ERIC

Lake Erie is one of the premier walleye lakes in the world and ha a variety of types of angling from drifting to trolling and thelake has several distinct caharachteristics inbthe western basin it is relatively shallow and lots of structure in the central basin it is about 75 foot eeep and in the eastern basin it has holes between 100 foot plus in a few ateas and one spot over 200 feet deep. This promotes 3 distinct fisheries. In April and May head to the Islands by June july and August head farther east. There will still be fish in the Islands but schools of fish tend to move east and eventually sto between Geneva and Conneaut and then begin heading back to the Islands of the western basin. If you need local information or captains email me and I can steer you in the right direction. I know a couple dozen captains that fish in the islands and many more in the central basin. Typically the captains in the islands are tight lipped but the guys in the central basin are pretty open as long as you leave them room to fish. If you need information get it before you leave the dock  or only from peole you trust because there is a lot of misinformation given on the radio. Captain Bryce Seymour http://www.ncweb.com:80/biz/hooker/ New moster websight under construction will be up this spring

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Eric,    I have lived in south bend my whole life and have done alot of fishing there.  Even though I don’t know of any lakes in the area good for walleye I have caught themout of the St. Joe river in S. Bend.  Most of the fishing I have done has been from shore but I do know of spots on the river you can catch them if you have a boat.  If you would like to here tell you more if you would like. Helpin’ you find ‘um, jason – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi my name is Eric, I may be moving to northern Indiana near south bend come beginning of may do to job oppertunity.  Are there any lakes close by besides michigan that contain nice size walleyes.  any names would be greatly appreciated.  also love to bass and fly fish so they would halp also. thank you ERIC Lake Erie is one of the premier walleye lakes in the world and ha a variety of types of angling from drifting to trolling and thelake has several distinct caharachteristics inbthe western basin it is relatively shallow and lots of structure in the central basin it is about 75 foot eeep and in the eastern basin it has holes between 100 foot plus in a few ateas and one spot over 200 feet deep. This promotes 3 distinct fisheries. In April and May head to the Islands by June july and August head farther east. There will still be fish in the Islands but schools of fish tend to move east and eventually sto between Geneva and Conneaut and then begin heading back to the Islands of the western basin. If you need local information or captains email me and I can steer you in the right direction. I know a couple dozen captains that fish in the islands and many more in the central basin. Typically the captains in the islands are tight lipped but the guys in the central basin are pretty open as long as you leave them room to fish. If you need information get it before you leave the dock  or only from peole you trust because there is a lot of misinformation given on the radio. Captain Bryce Seymour http://www.ncweb.com:80/biz/hooker/ New moster websight under construction will be up this spring

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  Which sinking line should I choose for nymph fishing in small rivers?   unless the river is really large, you don’t need a sinking at all…   TimW

Do you change for a sinking leader or will the nymph drag the leader down with it quickly enough? Peter. —  Peter Sollander, CERN ST/MC/TCR  Tel: (+41) 22.767.8081          Fax: (+41) 22.767.8910        

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  Which sinking line should I choose for nymph fishing in small rivers?   unless the river is really large, you don’t need a sinking at all…   TimW Do you change for a sinking leader or will the nymph drag the leader down with it quickly enough?

I use a long leader and split shot and fish effectively in 6+ feet of water.  One spot in particular that comes to mind.  The majority of the Roaring Fork flows between these two big rocks right in the main channel causing impressive rapids.  I would routinely wade deep right to the edge of this and nail nice ‘bows one nymphs fished deep with 5 or more BB’s right in this fast water.   My problem with sinking lines, leaders etc. is that the fly will float up from the bottom too far, unless the weight is RIGHT THERE within 6 inches or so of the bug.  A fly one or two feet off the bottom in this fast water will not catch fish. TimW For larger rivers, and some streamer applications, a Hi-speed, Hi-D Sinking tip line is WAY cool.  Dragging a big wooley behind a driftboat with a sink tip can be deadly. TimW

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: If the river is unusually fast or deep, you might want to use a sink : tip, the weight of the line depends on what your rod is rated for. The : idea is to get the nymph to bounce on the bottom once in a while. A : small split shot or some "Shape-A-Weight" on the leader can do the same : thing. True. A great time and money saver. : As far as being a beginning caster, I would get the Weight Forward (WF) : line as it is easier to put the fly where you want it. I’ve been told this often, but my experience has been that they’re really not that much easier to cast than a DT line, and DT lines turn over a mite easier. PLus, you can turn ‘em around when then get worn! –mike

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Which sinking line should I choose for nymph fishing in small rivers? DT, WF?  sinking tip? #1-#4? and what about leaders?  Sinking? Fast Sinking, Extra Fast Sinking?

If you are fishing "small rivers" I wouldn’t bother with a sinking line. You can get a fly down to the fish even with a floating line. A long leader with a small split shot or bead head  will do in most situations. I’ve been tying beads into the body of many nymphs instead of lead and find they work great. You can also add a sink tip to your line, sized to the situation. I always carry a few in different sizes just in case. If you are planning to fish a lake, or a fast, deep river then a sinking line would be handy. I carry a med. sink for lakes and time the decent. For Steehead in rivers I pack a floating, 10 ft. sink tip, and a 24 ft 325 gn. sink tip. The last line works great for strippers….but casting is kind of chuck and duck….

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For nymph fishing small rivers and creeks a floating line is generally all that is required.  For especially deep hole a weight forward would be a good choice, but in  most instances a floating line with a leader set for the depth of water, and a strike indicator, is my general set-up of choice. Clint

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writes: Which sinking line should I choose for nymph fishing in small rivers? DT, WF?  sinking tip? #1-#4? and what about leaders?  Sinking? Fast Sinking, Extra Fast Sinking? What’s a beginner’s choice Any ideas?

Hi Pete, I would not choose a sinking line for nymph fishing in most situations. The object of most nymph fishing is to get the fly to *dead drift* in the bottom 6" or so of water.  It’s very tough to dead drift a nymph on a sinking line as you have no control over the sinking line once it sinks. You are at the mercy of the currents because you can’t mend the line.  It is much more effective to fish nymphs on a floating line with a long leader because you can mend it and control the drift; and it’s especially effective to use a strike indicator to suspend the nymph exactly where you want in the water column and drift it down the current lane you choose. If you want particulars on this, drop me some e-mail & I’ll let you know how to set such a system up, along with casts to help you fish it. The place I use a full sinking line is in a lake as it allows you to swim your fly right over the top of weedbeds and structure which is very difficult to do with a floating line and a long leader.  Works well because there is no current in the lake to push your line around.  You could also use a sink tip for this though It tends to rise up a bit as you retrieve it.   A sink tip is a good choice in rivers because you can mend the belly section (the floating part) to control the sinking part.  Unfortunately it’s not real good for "dead drifts" as you need to have some tension on the line to detect the strike and if you have tension on the line you’re not getting a dead drift.  I will use a sink tip for swimming streamers across the current and also for swinging nymphs through the current to imitate a big swimming nymph (like an isonychia) or perhaps a caddis pupa (rarely but once in a while). Don’t feel you need to go out and buy all the different types of lines – floating, sinking (in 6 different densities), and sink tips (in all the different densities and about 10 or 12 different lengths).  Get a floating line and learn how to use it.  Then if you are going to fish specific conditions – such as on a lake at a depth of 10 feet deep – get the appropriate line for those conditions.  Otherwise you can go out and buy 6 different lines or more and still not have the one you need when you need it.                                          Hope this helps,                                                   Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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Which sinking line should I choose for nymph fishing in small rivers? DT, WF?  sinking tip? #1-#4? and what about leaders?  Sinking? Fast Sinking, Extra Fast Sinking? What’s a beginner’s choice Any ideas? Cheers,        Pete. —  Peter Sollander, CERN ST/MC/TCR  Tel: (+41) 22.767.8081          Fax: (+41) 22.767.8910        

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Which sinking line should I choose for nymph fishing in small rivers?

unless the river is really large, you don’t need a sinking at all… TimW

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Which sinking line should I choose for nymph fishing in small rivers?

If the river is unusually fast or deep, you might want to use a sink tip, the weight of the line depends on what your rod is rated for. The idea is to get the nymph to bounce on the bottom once in a while. A small split shot or some "Shape-A-Weight" on the leader can do the same thing. As far as being a beginning caster, I would get the Weight Forward (WF) line as it is easier to put the fly where you want it.

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I am planning a short trip to the Bay Area in mid-march. Can anyone suggest good trout waters within a couple hours of San Francisco?

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Because the general trout season doesn’t open until May 1st, trout waters are hard to come by near San Francisco in mid-March.  However, there is one trout stream that remains open, about a one and a half hour drive. It’s called Putah Creek.  It’s a tailwater, flowing out of a man-made reservoir, called Lake Berryessa.  It’s a bit north of a town called Vacaville, east of San Francisco off Highway 80, on the way to Sacramento.  Easy to find on a map.  Make local inquiries as to how to get to the section below the dam. If you want to get into some big trout, (and I’m talking 6-8 lbs.) drive north on Highway 5 for about 3 1/2 hours.  Between the towns of Anderson and Red Bluff, on the Sacramento River, a guide can be had to float you through that water.  This is a blue ribbon fishery, and open at this time of year.  Make inquiries for guides, etc.  through the "Redding Fly Shop."  Their phone number is (916) 222-3555. Those guys really know the water in that area, and can put you into good fishing, and will arrange good guides for you. Tight Lines! Old Deep

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: I am planning a short trip to the Bay Area in mid-march. Can anyone : suggest good trout waters within a couple hours of San Francisco? Here are the Lakes that are now open: From nearest to the farthest: Lake Merced: Right in the Heart of San Francisco San Pablo Dam Reservoir: Take San Pablo Dam Road in Richmond Lake Del Valle: This is south of Livermore Parkway Lake: Private lake, open to anyone even without a license for a fee Lake Chabot Lake Berryessa: Napa County Lake Pardee Lake Camanche Lake Amador

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writes: If you want to get into some big trout, (and I’m talking 6-8 lbs.) drive north on Highway 5 for about 3 1/2 hours.  Between the towns of Anderson and Red Bluff, on the Sacramento River, a guide can be had to float you through that water.  This is a blue ribbon fishery, and open at this time of year.  Make inquiries for guides, etc.  through the "Redding Fly Shop." Their phone number is (916) 222-3555. Those guys really know the water in that area, and can put you into good fishing, and will arrange good guides for you.

Be sure to call ahead to check on flows.  You can wade the Lower Sac in the town of Redding and down to Anerson when the flows are 4000cfs or lower.  5000cfs gets a little tough to wade and above 8000cfs you can use a boat, but probably won’t find many fish.  Currently the Lower Sac flows are 35,000 cfs.  We had some warm weather which filled Shasta lake up too much from run-off so they are dumping it like crazy now. If the flows are good in March, there are usually great caddis hatches and both good nymphing and dry fly fishing.   About 2 hrs out of SF you can fish the Mokulemne River below Comanche Dam or the lower part of the Stanislaus River.  Both can be good in March. Also may be decent Striper fishing in the Delta then.                                             Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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You should try and find someone that sell ST. Croix rods There well made and not that expencive. I’ve had a sage and orvis rods and personally think    the ST. Croix to be just as good, also less money. and they have a good  gaurentee on there rods.

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I’m in the market for a new fly rod. I’m an experienced (3-years) fly fisherman fishing mainly on small to medium rivers in Washington, Oregon, Idaho and Montana for ‘bows, cutts and browns, and on lakes though I don’t have a float tube yet, just a canoe. I hear good things about Sage and Loomis. Any feedback or suggestions. I’m trying to stay below $250

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To Any UK or European Angler Types,   Does anyone out there have a good groundbait recipe for fish other than carp? Specifically I am looking for something attractive to small predatory or insect eating fish along the line of Bream and Perch Thanks in Advance

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There is an article on ground bait in this months issue of In-Fisherman. I must admit, until I read the article, I had never heard of ground bait. (Apparently, it is very popular in Europe). The article specifically targets Bluegill (Shellcrackers). They mention using Spam, and other ingredients. Sorry, I dont have the issue with me or I would include the recipie. One thing I do remember was that they claimed that there is no better bait for Bluegill that have been attracted by groundbait than Maggots. I hope you can find a copy of the issue.

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To Any UK or European Angler Types,  Does anyone out there have a good groundbait recipe for fish other than carp? Specifically I am looking for something attractive to small predatory or insect eating fish along the line of Bream and Perch Thanks in Advance

Chopped worms added either to peat (as a binder) or to a breadcrumb based groundbait always works well for perch. Tench and bream go for it too. Bream are traditionally groundbaited for with bread crumb based groundbait, containing samples of whatever the hook bait is.  There are lots of commercial groundbaits and additives which are good for roach, bream, rudd etc. Having said that, loose fed maggots are usually sufficient for perch. Steve

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First I’d like to indroduce myself for this is my first posting this   newsgroup. I live in the northern part of Germany and I’m thirty years old, I’ve been   fishing for various species with a lot methods for nearly twenty years.   I’ve been a serious carp angler for ten years but nowadays I spend most of   the time fishing for seatrout in the baltic sea either with fly or   spinning baits and I enjoy flyfishing for atlantic salmon in Norway Anyway, here we go:. To Any UK or European Angler Types,   Does anyone out there have a good groundbait recipe for fish other than carp? Specifically I am looking for something attractive to small predatory or insect eating fish along the line of Bream and Perch Thanks in Advance

Hello Curtis, Well, attracting bream is quite simple, first you need a lot of groundbait   because bream feed in great schoals and eat a lot. To hold them in place   for a longer time really needs a lot of bait. For a 5 hour bream session I   would recommend at least 3 gallons of groundbait, if there is a good stock   of bream the water. The difficulty in bream fishing is to get larger specimen (4 lbs + fish),   for they tend to travel solitarily the bigger they get. Smaller bream are easy to attract and to catch, if the water holds a good   stock and they live in large schoals.. The basic substance should be breadcrumb or bread. The groundbait should   be sweet for bream, vanilla is a very common additive and caramel, sugar   or koprah molasses are widely used by European bream anglers. Add maggots   or other live bait (worms) to the groundbait, about 1/4 of a gallon or so.   A good substance to add to bream groundbait are crushed butter cookies,   they can make up to 1/3 or even more of the mix. Don’t buy them in a   supermarket, try to get substandard goods from a factory or bakery. Good hook baits for bream are: maggots lobworms combination of maggot/lobworm combination of sweetcorn and maggot breadflake The "sweet bream mix" works very well for tench  either. When fishing for roach the mixture should be less sweet than for bream.   Hemp meal is very attractive for roach and cooked hemp is a fine hook bait   for this species (the basic substance beeing breadcrumb as well). And a substance used by European competions anglers is dove shit, believe   me or not, not much, some 2% or so. The Dutch and Belgian anglers have   used that for a number of years. Good hook baits for roach and rudd are maggots or casters. and especially for rudd the breadflake You’ll get a problem when there are a lot of carp in the water, because   carp like these groundbaits too. And they drive away the smaller fish   from your swim, when the occur in larger numbers. The only way of dealing with them in such a case is to get out the carp   rods …. . Attracting perch with groundbait doesn’t work. You can use a catapult and   shoot maggots in larger quantities into the water, this will attract some   perch but will attract more and more roach and/or rudd. Kind regards Wolfgang — Rivers and the inhabitants of the watery elements are made for wise men to   contemplate and for fools to pass by without consideration. (Izaak Walton,   The compleat angler, London 1653) ## CrossPoint v3.02 ##

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