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Can someone explain how to do it well? I find that, no matter how I try to lift the line to ‘toss it’ upstream, it always causes the fly to surge downstream. riverman

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Can someone explain how to do it well? I find that, no matter how I try to lift the line to ‘toss it’ upstream, it always causes the fly to surge downstream. riverman

http://www.uky.edu/~agrdanny/flyfish/faq/faq-6.htm http://www.sexyloops.co.uk/flycasting/tmendingline.shtml http://www.flyfishingjournal.com/archives/fa199810.htm http://www.altrec.com/published/flyfish/skills/gettingamendmindset/ TL MC

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Can someone explain how to do it well? I find that, no matter how I try to lift the line to ‘toss it’ upstream, it always causes the fly to surge downstream.

You could try fishing with Bruiser sometime. He’s the best I’ve ever seen. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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This report

"Grin" Very enjoyable read!! jim

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[snip] I had a great time.  Walt and Jeff were fine gentlemen and wonderful fishin’ buddies.

Yadda, yadda, yadda, now tell us the truth, eh!  :) Peter

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[snip] I had a great time.  Walt and Jeff were fine gentlemen and wonderful fishin’ buddies.

You had me going up until this statement. I expect the two guys you fished with were really Leigh Perkins and Lefty Kreh out slumming, they like to do that to stay in touch with the little people<g. (You didn’t buy any books, videos or dog beds from them did you?) — Charlie…

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(You didn’t buy any books, videos or dog beds from them did you?) — Charlie…

All three items, why do you ask? Opus

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All three items, why do you ask?

In that case, they *will* be back<g. — Charlie…

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This report is the fault of Steve Zimmerman and Jeff Connelly. Well that’s cool, it was worth it.  I could practically taste the beer and feel the cold water.  That’s why we argue so much you know, because we’re stuck behind our computer, bitter and cranky because we’re not actually

fishing. Speak for yourself, Jeff Actually, I did go fishing yesterday morning at the pond and caught a bunch. Not trout, but satisfying nonetheless. Afternoon fishing has been really good so just lemme know when you want to go again. –Steve

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Steve, At the very least you could have noted the *substance* of my report. You bitch. <G Opie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This report is the fault of Steve Zimmerman and Jeff Connelly. Well that’s cool, it was worth it.  I could practically taste the beer and feel the cold water.  That’s why we argue so much you know, because we’re stuck behind our computer, bitter and cranky because we’re not actually fishing. Speak for yourself, Jeff Actually, I did go fishing yesterday morning at the pond and caught a bunch. Not trout, but satisfying nonetheless. Afternoon fishing has been really good so just lemme know when you want to go again. –Steve

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This report is the fault of Steve Zimmerman and Jeff Connelly.

Well that’s cool, it was worth it.  I could practically taste the beer and feel the cold water.  That’s why we argue so much you know, because we’re stuck behind our computer, bitter and cranky because we’re not actually fishing. Regards, Jeff

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Speak for yourself, Jeff Actually, I did go fishing yesterday morning at the pond and caught a bunch. Not trout, but satisfying nonetheless. Afternoon fishing has been really good so just lemme know when you want to go again. –Steve

Sure!  Really good for *you*!  (This is an inside joke people.  Last time we went Steve caught a bass on his first cast, before I even was rigged.  On that shiny new bamboo rod of his, no less.  I proceeded to catch nothing.  He even gave me his exact fly.  The only thing I hooked was a rock which busted my line.  I think it was a native though, while Steve’s was stocked.) OK, maybe I’ll give it another shot…. Regards, Jeff

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This report is the fault of Steve Zimmerman and Jeff Connelly.  Steve’s fault because of his no *substance* post last evening, Jeff’s because he had the audacity to e-mail me asking about the trip.  My hand was forced.  What follows is tedious and mind numbing, read at your own risk. Opie REPORT:  Fishin’ with Walt Winter and Jeffrey Miller We met at the confluence of Howard’s Creek and Wilson’s Creek.  I arrived first.  I was promptly accosted by dos game wardens.  I was handing over my fishin’ license, when the ranger dude said, "I smell the strong odor of marijuana, do you have any marijuana in your possession?" I had just finished a beer, and at first, I thought he was actually asking about the odor of alcohol.  I regained my composure, and told him I did not have any pot and that he was welcome to search my Suburban.  He declined.  I was wearing a skull bandana, and I sport a goatee.  There was no odor of pot present, eight or so years ago there would have been, but alas no longer.  I can only assume that I was profiled.  I was unaware that the rangers service had an *idiot* profiling program. I was still waiting for Walt and Jeff Miller, so I decide on another beer. I was leaned over in the front of my truck (that’s what I call my Suburban, no need to tell me its not a truck) reaching into the cooler for another beer, when someone said, "Had any luck?"  I spun around to see who it was, as I had not heard another vehicle pull up.  It was another game warden.  I dropped the beer I was holding back into the cooler.  I frantically started out of the truck and said that I had started fishin’ yet. He said, "but I see your boots are wet."  Shit these guyz are sticklers for detail.  I had been in the stream, while waiting on Jeff and Walt.  I proceeded to stammer well yeah, I had actually been in the stream casting a fly, but was really waiting on some buddies to really get started fishin’. I rambled nervously about having met Walt and Jeff over the internet at ROFF .  He was totally disinterested and probably thought this was some strange gay flyfishin’ site.  He asked for my license.  I stated that I had already been checked and wanted to know if he smelt the strong odor marijuana.  He look at me very puzzled, so I explained the previous rangers comments.  He declined to see my license since I had already been checked. However, he did want to search my truck for contraband.  He peered in, saw the all the shit I keep in my truck and waived any further search.  Gotcha! Walt and Jeff finally drove up.  I couldn’t help but notice when they stepped from the truck that they both used walkers.  Greeting were exchanged I was proffered a beer.  Still trembling from my last encounter with the ranger, I declined.  Walt proceeded to eat everything in site. Finally, we hit the stream.  I had tied on a dry fly with dropper nymph in tow.  I believe both Walt and Jeff had tied on straight nymphs.  The wind whip at gale force.  The Sun shone brightly.  We moved up the stream takin’ turns casting to unseen fish.  There were small mayflys buzzin’ about here and there, but no real hatch to speak of. I, being the magnanimous sort, said I would defer to the masters.  Walt proceeded to get hung-up in a tree, Jeff was having trouble casting and maintaining his walker too.  I decided then and there, I could fish with these guyz. To be perfectly honest, not much happened fish wise for me.  Walt did catch a few nice Browns.  The wind blew incessantly all day.  Jeff and I had a few hits but no landings. We decided to head back around five-ish.  We looked for a trail out.  I found an old loggin’ trail that led us into the thick of the mountain laurels.  We got back on the stream believing cliff climbing beat bushwhacking.  After a bit more rock hoppin’, Walt found a marked trail which we took.  It led us right back to the stream about fifty yards or so beyond where we had begun the trail.  Agreeing now that we would just rock hop and cliff climb our way out, I said follow me boys and proceeded across the stream.  Two steps and I was lying flat on my back in the stream.  They left me to flounder about, and took a dryer route. We made it back to the trucks before dark, popped the tops on some beers. They drank  some vile shit, I chose to drink an import (Coors Light).  They declined my offer of beef jerky, I declined their offer to go fuck myself. We drove to the top of the mountain stopped had another beer together, talked a bit, froze a bit, and finally parted ways vowing to never meet again!  The End. I had a great time.  Walt and Jeff were fine gentlemen and wonderful fishin’ buddies.

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This past summer, my wife (god bless her) brought home a mint-condition model 1498 Pfleuger Medalist from one of her garage-sale sorties. It is loaded with backing and line in what appears to be unfished condition. Question: Is there any way I can figure out the weight of the line? There are no markings on it. Why don’t line manufacturers mark flyline anyways? It would seem to be a simple manufacturing step. Thanks Joe

Hi Joe, A 1498 was the biggest Medalist and was for rods from #9 and larger. It might have a shooting head on it? If you pull it off for about 20 feet you will notice that it is either a level line or has a front taper for the first 6 to 12 feet. This means that it is a tapered line and if it is a light color, then it is probably a floating line. At about 30 plus feet, but before 40′, it gets smaller again, then it is a weight forward. If it stays large for more that 40 feet it is probably a double taper. If you go  back to about 20 feet from the front and measure the diameter with a micrometer, you can get a pretty good idea what size it is. If I remember right, about ~0.048" is a 5 weight floater?  Email me some more info or put it on the group and we can determine what it is. PS: If that is an old Pflueger that was made in the USA and is in good condition, it would be great for some heavier fishing. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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Sorry to hammer the point one more time…… It’s NOT the LAST 30′ (unless of course its a double taper, in that case you can weigh either end) It’s the FIRST 30′ ( the end you tie your leader to,……. but don’t weigh the leader!) David

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David, First and last is not a good description because either end can be first or last depending on whether you are talking about going on or coming off the real.  The end you tie your leader to is a meaningful description. — Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Wading Boots, Making Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry to hammer the point one more time…… It’s NOT the LAST 30′ (unless of course its a double taper, in that case you can weigh either end) It’s the FIRST 30′ ( the end you tie your leader to,……. but don’t weigh the leader!) David

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Joe, all the handling characteristics of a fly line are determined by the line’s plastic coating. Based on what we’ve seen with Cortland’s LazerLine, I’d have to guess that good ‘printability’ and good handling are not common in the same line. I’d expect the 1498 to be spooled with 7wt or higher. Try casting it on an 8wt rod and see how it feels at 30 feet.

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Thanks for correcting my error Don and Dave all the rest of the sharp eyed readers, that’s what happens when you buy a cheap keyboard. — Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Wading Boots, Making Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Question: Is there any way I can figure out the weight of the line? There are no markings on it. Why don’t line manufacturers mark flyline anyways? It would seem to be a simple manufacturing step. Thirty years of experience suggests either it is not simple or there is insufficient market demand. Weigh the last 30" of the line. That should be the last 30′ (not ") excluding taper. Most people find it easier to try the line on a rod of known type and see how it feels. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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 Weigh the last 30" of the line. — Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Wading Boots, Making Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh

I think Ernie means " the FIRST 30 FEET" David

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This past summer, my wife (god bless her) brought home a mint-condition model 1498 Pfleuger Medalist from one of her garage-sale sorties. It is loaded with backing and line in what appears to be unfished condition. Question: Is there any way I can figure out the weight of the line? There are no markings on it. Why don’t line manufacturers mark flyline anyways? It would seem to be a simple manufacturing step. Thanks Joe

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Hi: I had a similar problem when I found a full shoting head when steelhead fishing last winter.  I took into my local fly shop to see if they could help.  The owner simply weighed the line and checked a catalogue he had to identify the weight.  Give this a try. Chris Brown – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This past summer, my wife (god bless her) brought home a mint-condition model 1498 Pfleuger Medalist from one of her garage-sale sorties. It is loaded with backing and line in what appears to be unfished condition. Question: Is there any way I can figure out the weight of the line? There are no markings on it. Why don’t line manufacturers mark flyline anyways? It would seem to be a simple manufacturing step. Thanks Joe

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Weigh the last 30" of the line. — Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Wading Boots, Making Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to:  http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This past summer, my wife (god bless her) brought home a mint-condition model 1498 Pfleuger Medalist from one of her garage-sale sorties. It is loaded with backing and line in what appears to be unfished condition. Question: Is there any way I can figure out the weight of the line? There are no markings on it. Why don’t line manufacturers mark flyline anyways? It would seem to be a simple manufacturing step. Thanks Joe

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Question: Is there any way I can figure out the weight of the line? There are no markings on it. Why don’t line manufacturers mark flyline anyways? It would seem to be a simple manufacturing step.

Thirty years of experience suggests either it is not simple or there is insufficient market demand. Weigh the last 30" of the line.

That should be the last 30′ (not ") excluding taper. Most people find it easier to try the line on a rod of known type and see how it feels. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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This past summer, my wife (god bless her) brought home a mint-condition model 1498 Pfleuger Medalist from one of her garage-sale sorties. It is loaded with backing and line in what appears to be unfished condition. Question: Is there any way I can figure out the weight of the line? There are no markings on it. Why don’t line manufacturers mark flyline anyways? It would seem to be a simple manufacturing step. Thanks Joe

Send me your shipping address and I’ll send you a bottle of PZ Line Dressing.   This is A MUST!  Do not attempt to cast this line until you dress it with PZ and get the placticizers back into the plastic coating. After you do this, you simply need to put it on a six weight fly rod which is the average weight used today and try it. Next, after you determine the weight fly rod the fly line is designed for, (and many times you can tell by when you have the fly line stretched out between ’stops’ so you can clean and recondition it.  (Let it set over night so the dressing has time to work before whipping it down and reloading it on the reel) Take an Indelable Marker Pen and a foot above the butt section ON the fly line, (if it is a seven weight for example) put a wide marker band for the number 5 and two narrow dot bands for the number one and then two add up to SEVEN.  I will try and use this key board to show you an example:  ___ _ _  = #7 WT  ___ _  = #6 WT   ___ = #5 WT  _ _ _ _ = #4 Wt Going the other way:  ___ _ _ _ = #8 WT If you want to remember if it is a DT or a WF fly line you can simply assume it is a double taper unless it has, six inches up the line another mark   _  to indicate Weight Forward because the extra mark is forward of your line wt.code. As you may well know, marking pens have a wide felt tip and a pointed one. But you get the idea and frankly, if you do this from now on, it is a system that will never let you down. Hope you like it.

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Okay, if I am posting to the wrong group – I sincerely am sorry – I just am not certain how this Deja thing works and I DO NOT want to intrude on discussion groups.  This group came up under my search for fishing marketplace and collectibles.  Antique fly reel in great shape.  Pflueger Medalist Fly Reel.  Ends on eBay Tues. 8/25.  Bids are at $20.50.  No Reserve.  This really is nice.  If you want to take a look here are the links.  Thanks!  eBay No. 26267477 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=26267477 — Arlykat on eBay

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How Refreshing!!!!! … an apologetic Spammer! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, if I am posting to the wrong group – I sincerely am sorry – I just am not certain how this Deja thing works and I DO NOT want to intrude

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Hi All, There is a lot of low elevation action right now in Nor Cal. We have the striper spawning run that is below and above my town of Sacramento now. April/May/ June is prime time so go for it. There are small spring run steelhead and trout in all the valley rivers/streams and they are feeding on salmon fry and insects. The black bass are really taking off now especially on the sunny days. The shad run is getting close with May/June being the prime months for wading. They will be boat fishing for them very soon. Many low elevation lakes are seeing the end of the winter trout before they go deep and the bass are coming to the banks with the warm weather. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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Trip Report of Sorts We got majorly lost driving back to anaheim from universal studios…last week. We missed the turnoff from 10 to 5 and didn’t notice it until we hit highway 15, Ontario, etc. and I told the driver….uh…."what road are we on…?". Ugly American Tourists on their day off. Your pal, — TBone The Halfordian Golfer

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, There is a lot of low elevation action right now in Nor Cal. We have the striper spawning run that is below and above my town of Sacramento now. April/May/ June is prime time so go for it. There are small spring run steelhead and trout in all the valley rivers/streams and they are feeding on salmon fry and insects. The black bass are really taking off now especially on the sunny days. The shad run is getting close with May/June being the prime months for wading. They will be boat fishing for them very soon. Many low elevation lakes are seeing the end of the winter trout before they go deep and the bass are coming to the banks with the warm weather. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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Trip Report of Sorts We got majorly lost driving back to anaheim from universal studios…last week. We missed the turnoff from 10 to 5 and didn’t notice it until we hit highway 15, Ontario, etc. and I told the driver….uh…."what road are we on…?". Ugly American Tourists on their day off. Your pal,

Shit, if you didn’t notice until you got to Ontario – you were REALLY lost.  :) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Okay Bill, you convinced me.  I will leave these 30 lb stripers in the Chesapeake and the shad run and head to California.  Thanks for the tips by the way.  I talked to my buddy and he is bringing his raft and rowing frame. We will get a guide (hopefully) on the Lower Sac for Saturday and then raft it on Sunday and Monday. By the way, with my history, you might want to call the volunteer fire departments for the areas downstream from Redding and alert them to my presence.  They might want to stock up on grappling hooks.  Anyone else with a video camera is free to film from a safe distance.  Again, I thank you and my widow thanks you. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Shit, if you didn’t notice until you got to Ontario – you were REALLY lost.  :) Peter

Hey, I grew up 10 miles from Ontario, does that mean I can claim dual citizenship? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Shit, if you didn’t notice until you got to Ontario – you were REALLY lost.  :) Peter Hey, I grew up 10 miles from Ontario, does that mean I can claim dual citizenship?

Frank, we’d be proud to call you one of ours.  Hell, you’d fit right in.  (Not sure if that’s a good thing, though?) Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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(excuse if this is a duplicate, but my server is a bit wanky) Okay Bill, you convinced me.  I will leave these 30 lb stripers in the Chesapeake and the shad run and head to California.  Thanks for the tips by the way.  I talked to my buddy and he is bringing his raft and rowing frame. We will get a guide (hopefully) on the Lower Sac for Saturday and then raft it on Sunday and Monday. By the way, with my history, you might want to call the volunteer fire departments for the areas downstream from Redding and alert them to my presence.  They might want to stock up on grappling hooks.  Anyone else with a video camera is free to film from a safe distance.  Again, I thank you and my widow thanks you. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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We got majorly lost driving back to anaheim from universal studios…last week. We missed the turnoff from 10 to 5 and didn’t notice it until we hit highway 15, Ontario, etc. and I told the driver….uh…."what road are we on…?".

Yeah, the 4-level.  Depending on which way you hit that interchange where the 10, 101, 5, 110 all seem to merge, you might have to cross 4 lanes of highway in 1/8 mile to reach your desired destination. Mu

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I’m planning a vacation for the end of July, and was considering the Shasta region of Northern Cal.  To fish the McCloud, Trinity,etc.  What I’ve read however seems to promote an awful lot of private water, and I’m not going to be able to afford guided trips.  Can anyone clue me in as to public access out there, and what to expect?  If I’m going to be frustrated by access, I’d rather go to Montana/Idaho/Wyoming as I usually do.  Thanks in advance. Ray P

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Yes by all means go to Montana/Idaho/Wyoming we don’t have any guides and the water is all private. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m planning a vacation for the end of July, and was considering the Shasta region of Northern Cal.  To fish the McCloud, Trinity,etc.  What I’ve read however seems to promote an awful lot of private water, and I’m not going to be able to afford guided trips.  Can anyone clue me in as to public access out there, and what to expect?  If I’m going to be frustrated by access, I’d rather go to Montana/Idaho/Wyoming as I usually do.  Thanks in advance. Ray P

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(Rapalm) writes: I’m planning a vacation for the end of July, and was considering the Shasta region of Northern Cal.  To fish the McCloud, Trinity,etc.  What I’ve read however seems to promote an awful lot of private water, and I’m not going to beable to afford guided trips.  Can anyone clue me in as to public access out there, and what to expect?  If I’m going to be frustrated by access, I’d rather go to Montana/Idaho/Wyoming as I usually do.  Thanks in advance. Ray P

Hi Ray, There’s huge amounts of public water on the McCloud, Upper Sac, Trinity, Hat Creek, Pit River, Upper Klamath River, etc.     The McCloud has about a 3 mile section that is owned and operated by the Nature Conservancy and they limit access to a max of 10 rods at any one time.  All of the area from the McCloud Reservoir (lake) down to this is public access and great water.  Lots of public access above the reservoir too, but mostly stocked because it is open to bait fishing.  The Upper Sac has ~ 40 miles of public access.  Virtually all of the Trinity, Hat Creek, Pit River and Upper Klamath are open to public access. The Fall River is totally surrounded by private land but there is public access provided by CalTrout by  Island Bridge.  You do need a pram or other small boat to fish it, ther is no bank access.  The Fall and the section of Hat Creek below the influx of the Rising River are both big spring creeks.  The others are freestone streams.  Scenery is much different than Montana – much greener. Exception would be the Fall River which is best characterised as a large meadow stream that barely moves. Best to call before you come to see what conditions are on the different rivers.  I can tell you what the current conditions are on the McCloud and Upper Sac because I guide on those rivers.  Although I’ve guided in the past on the Fall and on Hat Creek, I’m not sure I’ll do so this year.  The Fly Shop in Redding is usually a good source for info on most of the N. CA rivers.  The Trinity Fly Shop will have current info on the Trinity.  With all the snow and rain we’ve had this year, I’d expect July to be good in N CA.                                            Good Fishing,                                                     Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

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How is the fishing on the Hiwasse in eastern Tennessee this time of year. Is it worth the drive from Columbus, Ohio, over the Presdient’s Day weekend?  I tried calling the Adams Fly Shop in Relience, but all I’ve gotten is an answering machine.  Would it be worthwhile to bring my driftboat?  Any information would be appreciated. Ed Orazen

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How is the fishing on the Hiwasse in eastern Tennessee this time of year. Is it worth the drive from Columbus, Ohio, over the Presdient’s Day weekend?  I tried calling the Adams Fly Shop in Relience, but all I’ve gotten is an answering machine.  Would it be worthwhile to bring my driftboat?  Any information would be appreciated. Ed Orazen

Hi Ed – It can be good, but check with the folks at the Hiwassee Angler, 423 338-6263. — Visit Dave Teffeteller’s Fly Fishing Guides page http://www.olfart.com

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Lots of FF magazines out there now. Which one (1) do you like best/rely upon for info and entertainment? Just curious. — Gary Soucie, / Fax 1-301-322-4329 / Tel 1-301-322-8373

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I just spent an evening comparing Fly Fisherman, Fly Fishing Quarterly, American Angler, and Fly Fishing and Tying.  For my money, the best is Fly Fisherman.  I like the mix of articles and I was particularly impressed with their ability to see both sides of complex conservation issues.  This month’s edition has a great article about Pennsylvania’s Falling Spring Creek – the photography is just beautiful! Dave Anderson Columbia, Maryland

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I just spent an evening comparing Fly Fisherman, Fly Fishing Quarterly, American Angler, and Fly Fishing and Tying.  For my money, the best is Fly Fisherman.  I like the mix of articles and I was particularly impressed with their ability to see both sides of complex conservation issues.  This month’s edition has a great article about Pennsylvania’s Falling Spring Creek – the photography is just beautiful! Dave Anderson Columbia, Maryland

want to see the best, check out California Flyfisher, the only magazine I read from cover to cover.         Mike

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right here. TimW

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Lots of FF magazines out there now. Which one (1) do you like best/rely upon for info and entertainment? Just curious. — Gary Soucie, / Fax 1-301-322-4329 / Tel 1-301-322-8373

IMHO, the answer to this question may vary depending on which coast you live and/or fish on.   Tight text, Charley

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I am considering a 4-piece Legend 4 or 5-weight. I would be grateful if anybody have some experiences or knowledge to share. The rod is not marketed in Norway, so it is difficult for me to test it personally. Grateful for any comments Jan Erik Frithjofsen

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I am considering a 4-piece Legend 4 or 5-weight. I would be grateful if anybody have some experiences or knowledge to share. The rod is not marketed in Norway, so it is difficult for me to test it personally. Grateful for any comments Jan Erik Frithjofsen

Hi Jan, I’ve found all of the St Croix fly rod to be very good including the 4 piece rods.  I’ve cast several of the their 4 piece rods and liked them but I never paid much attention to the actual name. Sorry! — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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I am considering a 4-piece Legend 4 or 5-weight. I would be grateful if anybody have some experiences or knowledge to share. The rod is not marketed in Norway, so it is difficult for me to test it personally. Grateful for any comments Jan Erik Frithjofsen

Hi Jan,  I own 2 St Croix flyrods, a 2pc 7′ 3wt, and because I was so impressed with that one, I bought their Imperial Series 4pc 5/6wt. In my opinion, they are a "best buy" for the money. The Legend you ask about is their top-end fly rod, a little more expensive than the Imperial Series. I also own 5 Sage rods, so I have a fair basis for comparison. Considering the cost of a Sage, unless you absolutely have to have the best, the St Croix is the better buy. Now all you have to decide is whether you like the action of the rod. The Legend has a fast action (44 million modulus) while the Imperial is listed as a moderate action (42 mil mod) The difference in price between the Imperial and Legend travel rods is $135 vs $220. BTW, my 5/6 travel rod handled some very tough smallmouth bass this summer with no problems. It rides in my pickup truck behind the seat everywhere I go. Tight lines……. Frank Church Elkhart, IN —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am considering a 4-piece Legend 4 or 5-weight. I would be grateful if anybody have some experiences or knowledge to share. The rod is not marketed in Norway, so it is difficult for me to test it personally. Grateful for any comments Jan Erik Frithjofsen Hi Jan,  I own 2 St Croix flyrods, a 2pc 7′ 3wt, and because I was so impressed with that one, I bought their Imperial Series 4pc 5/6wt. In my opinion, they are a "best buy" for the money. The Legend you ask about is their top-end fly rod, a little more expensive than the Imperial Series. I also own 5 Sage rods, so I have a fair basis for comparison. Considering the cost of a Sage, unless you absolutely have to have the best, the St Croix is the better buy. Now all you have to decide is whether you like the action of the rod. The Legend has a fast action (44 million modulus) while the Imperial is listed as a moderate action (42 mil mod) The difference in price between the Imperial and Legend travel rods is $135 vs $220. BTW, my 5/6 travel rod handled some very tough smallmouth bass this summer with no problems. It rides in my pickup truck behind the seat everywhere I go. Tight lines……. Frank Church Elkhart, IN —

A correction to my post…the Imperial rods are 33 million modulus, not 42 as stated previously. Frank Church Elkhart, IN —

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I’m considering adding outriggers to my 22′ fishing boat.  Before I do, however, I thought I might try out planer boards which are set up to plane out to the side as the boat moves forward.  I would then attach a release clip to the planer board so that the line would free up from the board if a fish strikes.  It would seem to me that this type of system would be more practical on a small boat than outriggers.  Has anyone out there tried out this approach?  What have been your experiences? regards, gs Gary Segal, MD; Dept. of Medicine, UCI/VAMC, 5901 E. 7th Street, Long Beach,                         "AYMATAI"

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Sideplaners are very popular in the Great Lakes and probably the best bet as you use them when you need them and leave them when you don’t. Another easy option is some long rods.  I troll with 12 foot fly rod blanks turned out as trolling rods to get the separation I like. Another trick little item is a Downjigger — we’ll have some add pages on that in my Fine Fishing magazine — finefishing.com — in the next few days.  This sppeds and slows trolled lures to improve results. Sort of like rowing without blisters. Oh Fine Fishing has 600,000 words, 200+ articles, a half dozen recent awards etc. and like the NAOG material on our site, covers a lot of trolling if that’s what you like.  I’ll have a new So Cal saltwater editor on in the next couple of weeks too.a

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: I’m considering adding outriggers to my 22′ fishing boat.  Before I do, : however, I thought I might try out planer boards which are set up to plane : out to the side as the boat moves forward.  I would then attach a release : clip to the planer board so that the line would free up from the board if a : fish strikes.  It would seem to me that this type of system would be more : practical on a small boat than outriggers.  Has anyone out there tried out : this approach?  What have been your experiences? : I tried outriggers on my 20′ boat. I wasn’t very happy with the result. The smaller boat simply rolls too much, whipping the outriggers, putting a lot of strain on the gunwale mounts and jerking the baits. About the only thing that planer boards can’t do as well is to trail surface baits a long way behind the boat. They are also a little harder to work; you should have two people in the boat to manage them easily. — We sense that life is a dark comedy and maybe we can live with that. However, because the whole thing is written for the entertainment of the gods, too many of the jokes go right over our heads.     (D. R. Koontz)

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Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group?

As soon as I get off my butt and get my web page finished, you’ll have a place to view nice pictures of flys, including the pattern recipe. Steve

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Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group?

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I would love to see a Fly Tying Newsgroup.  I tie about 6000 flies per year and enjoy learning and sharing the skills and lore with others. I hope that it comes together. AuSable1

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Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group?

I started a RFD (Request For Discussion) awhile back using the appropriate channels.  In order to create a new newsgroup there is a standard procedure which needs to be followed which includes a discussion period.  I posted the initial article which should have prompted the discussion but there wasn’t a single response.  I suppose theoretically the discussion period is over and I could post a CFV (Call For Votes).  In order for the group to pass it requires 100 more yes votes then no votes.   — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group?

Recipes?..like chocolate chip nymphs? Oatmeal and rasin caddis?…I know, Tuna-streamer cassarole…I know you meant PATTERNS, but my mind is temporarily warped!!!! I guess I smoked too much dope at the PETA rally. (Hee Hee…)….NEVER MIND!!!    

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Sorry I missed the original post.  I hope you go ahead with the CFV – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group? I started a RFD (Request For Discussion) awhile back using the appropriate channels.  In order to create a new newsgroup there is a standard procedure which needs to be followed which includes a discussion period.  I posted the initial article which should have prompted the discussion but there wasn’t a single response.  I suppose theoretically the discussion period is over and I could post a CFV (Call For Votes).  In order for the group to pass it requires 100 more yes votes then no votes.   — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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call for the vote. — Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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I would love to see a Fly Tying Newsgroup.  I tie about 6000 flies per year and enjoy learning and sharing the skills and lore with others. I hope that it comes together. AuSable1

I agree with the tying and sharing but disagree with a new newsgroup about fly tying. I think this is absolutely the right newsgroup (I am talking about the flyfishing newsgr.!) for the discussion of our tying problems or to post tips. How far should we go- a separate newsgroup saltwater and freshwater fly tying, as special group for tying leaders, another newsgroup about tying knots, maybe divided in subgroups how to tie on saltwater or freshwater flies! I think this is getting way to far! IMO this newsgroup should promote our skills and enhance our joy at the water, not waste our time switching between newsgroup. If finding the right artikles is an issue, we might think about abbreviations in fron of the subject line which marks special topics, like ft=freshwater tying, st=saltwater tying, e=equipment, c=casting etc… Only if you get the full range of information, you will get to be an really proficient flyfisher/tyer.     My opinion, sorry folks                     cheers,    Thomas

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I’m in for this one too.  Let me know if I can help.  I think I saw a rod building newsgroup somewhere, if they can pull that off fly tying should certainly fly. Catch and Release Dave Wood Ravenna OH

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Sounds good to me, count me in

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Me too Oliver Inverness-shire;  Scotland "Lead me not into temptation – I can do it myself"

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John Count me in, sounds great and about time. Dave

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Would be interested if it includes salt water flies.

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I think it would be a great idea as this newsgroup is getting almost too big. It would certainly facilitate finding articles of interest for us tying fools. Need something to help us hang on until April…Joel

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I would love to see a Fly Tying Newsgroup.  I tie about 6000 flies per year and enjoy learning and sharing the skills and lore with others. I hope that it comes together. AuSable1

Set it up and see if there is any response.

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I would also like to see a newsgroup devoted to Fly Tying. Cheers, Dave.

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Count my vote as YES!!!

        Tom Rude

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group? I started a RFD (Request For Discussion) awhile back using the appropriate channels.  In order to create a new newsgroup there is a standard procedure which needs to be followed which includes a discussion period.  I posted the initial article which should have prompted the discussion but there wasn’t a single response.  I suppose theoretically the discussion period is over and I could post a CFV (Call For Votes).  In order for the group to pass it requires 100 more yes votes then no votes.   — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

I would certainly vote for a fly tying newsgroup. It sounds like a great idea.   —Catch & Release— To catch a fish is human,     To release it is divine!

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Absolutely one of the best ideas posted in this newsgroup! I’d vote you for president if I could (luckily I’m in Finland BR, Eki

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Gets My Vote. Count me in

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Ya think this will fly? Hope it dose dwh

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group? I started a RFD (Request For Discussion) awhile back using the appropriate channels.  In order to create a new newsgroup there is a standard procedure which needs to be followed which includes a discussion period.  I posted the initial article which should have prompted the discussion but there wasn’t a single response.  I suppose theoretically the discussion period is over and I could post a CFV (Call For Votes).  In order for the group to pass it requires 100 more yes votes then no votes.   — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Any reason why there is not a fly-tying newsgroup with jpeg images of flies, recipes, techniques, etc?  There seems to be enough tying traffic to warrant a new group?

I say no.  Fly fishing and fly tying are so closely allied that it makes sense to me to keep them in the same group.  It is easier for me to check out the fishing and the tying posts at the same time. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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Count my vote as YES!!! Fly Fisher/ Homebrewer

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Count my vote as YES!!!

I received several other "votes" via email.  In order to create a new newsgroup that procedure dictates that votes do not count until a CFV (Call For Votes) has been posted to news.groups, and then only after the RFD (Request For Discussion) has taken place. Even then, votes are only counted which have been sent *via email* to a specific address used to count them.   I will check out if I can issue the CFV and if so the voting period and where to send your votes will be announced. It does no good to announce your votes over Usenet. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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