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Very exciting.  One of the best. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England.  Has it been there long? Originally the Boston Patriots, I believe they were one of the original AFL teams, in the late 60’s.

Sheesh. You and George need a smiley every time? JR

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Sheesh. You and George need a smiley every time?

There was an implied smily on my reply. {;-) George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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And about time all the hype about how bad the Rams were going to beat the snots out of New England. I had faith in New England all along. Now we are singing that Queen song We Are The Champions. Just think if one had put a $1000  wager on New England in Vegas at odds of 75 to 1. I could buy that Hardy reel and Winston rod even if they are overpriced.       Handyman         Mike Handyman   Mike

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Sheesh. You and George need a smiley every time? There was an implied smily on my reply. {;-)

Shoulda seen it.  Guess I thought "only since 1960," from someone probably also a Red Sox fan, could have been serious.  :) JR

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John, your email addy keeps bouncing back to me. If it’s munged in some way please let me know. Now that I have your attention, this is an FYI that was sent to all the other fly swappers: I’m leaving at oh-dark-thirty tomorrow for Tampa, Florida. This is strictly a business trip so no fishing (dammit)  I will be back at the keyboard to answer all questions, complaints (wait a minute, I don’t take complaints) by Sat morning. Should your flies arrive in my absence I will acknowledge that upon my return. If you need my address, let me know now and send me a good email addy for you. Ye Olde Tired Gray Swapmeister

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John Russell, your email addy keeps bouncing back to me. If it’s munged in some way please let me know. Now that I have your attention, this is an FYI that was sent to all the other fly swappers: I’m leaving at oh-dark-thirty tomorrow for Tampa, Florida. This is strictly a business trip so no fishing (dammit)  I will be back at the keyboard to answer all questions, complaints (wait a minute, I don’t take complaints) by Sat morning. Should your flies arrive in my absence I will acknowledge that upon my return. If you need my address, let me know now and send me a good email addy for you. Ye Olde Tired Gray Swapmeister

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one for the books, Stan! Had to go to New England and see it in proper style, among good friends. Couldn’t have written a better script, nor a finer tribute to "team sports"                          Tom

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one for the books, Stan! Had to go to New England and see it in proper style, among good friends. Couldn’t have written a better script, nor a finer tribute to "team sports"                          Tom

Cheers for NE, but I’ll always think Bellicek is a stiff.  I truly believe that Modell hired him to drive the Browns into the ground to quell the uproar when he announced they were leaving. Scott What, me pass on a conspiracy theory??  Never!!

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’nuff said.

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’nuff said.

Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England.  Has it been there long?   Congratulations, all you Back Easters. JR

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Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England.  Has it been there long?  

No, only since 1960. Congratulations, all you Back Easters.

Thank you. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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’nuff said. Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England.  Has it been there long?  

Originally the Boston Patriots, I believe they were one of the original AFL teams, in the late 60’s. Congratulations, all you Back Easters.

On behalf of the guys that deserve it, thank you. In the last week the local media had the whole New England area cranked to within a few points of a mass aneurism. In truth, just getting to the Superbowl was more than we could have hoped for, but to have this team pull off a stunning three game series of upsets was just amazingly exciting. These guys demonstrably brought all the best to the word "team". A class act, they deserve everything they got. Good for ‘em! /daytripper (Stayin’ up late with ESPN

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This is to all those who have fished or want to fish in Nordic countries (Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland) Feel free to join and chat and share your experiences or ask questions! How to sign in? See below. -mm- Hello, Welcome to the NordicFlyfishing group at Yahoo! Groups, a free, easy-to-use email group service.  Please take a moment to review this message. To start sending messages to members of this group, simply send email to If you do not wish to belong to NordicFlyfishing, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to You may also visit the Yahoo! Groups web site to modify your subscriptions: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Regards, Moderator, NordicFlyfishing

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This is to all those who have fished or want to fish in Nordic countries (Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland) Feel free to join and chat and share your experiences or ask questions! How to sign in? See below. -mm- Hello, Welcome to the NordicFlyfishing group at Yahoo! Groups, a free, easy-to-use email group service.  Please take a moment to review this message. Sign in at  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NordicFlugfiske To start sending messages to members of this group, simply send email to If you do not wish to belong to NordicFlyfishing, you may unsubscribe by sending an email to You may also visit the Yahoo! Groups web site to modify your subscriptions: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Regards, Moderator, NordicFlyfishing

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Padishar,    The term lure was used because it has a broader in meaning.  I stopped trying to determine the definition of "fly" long ago.  If you would care to give it a try go ahead. All I can say is all flies are lures, but not all lures are flies. Ernie "Padishar Creel" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ernie, I assume by the "lure" comment that this is not a true fly because of the glass beads Padishar Creel

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Ernie, I assume by the "lure" comment that this is not a true fly because of the glass beads?  If I tied the same thing with mylar piping, or wide floss, tensile chenille, or perhaps Ice yard would that be classed as a fly?  The reason I ask, is that one of the streams I use this pattern on is strictly a "fly fishing only stream".  That last thing I want to do is use a "lure"….

I don’t know why Ernie wrote "lure", but I can’t see why glass beads would disqualify this as a "true" fly. Glass beads are often used in flies, or strung onto the tippet in front of the fly. Aren’t all flies lures? The chamois nymph I’ve been touting for whitefish is something else. I’d call it "bait". — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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rw The definition in the dictionary of fly and fly fishing follows:  I don’t see any thing about glass beads. (I"m getting crotchety in my old age) Ernie fly 2 ( fl

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My own opinion is that the future of the sport lies in lotteries or tickets for limited access to the most popular waters, and encouraging fishermen to spread their days over a diversity of waters, and to limit their days fishing if need be. Right now, I don’t think people really fish too often, just that they concentrate those days on the few well-publicized "gold medal" waters…

I whole heartedly support limited access. I don’t know how the change the pattern of high concentration on a few select waters in any other way. Willi

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….what was the guy thinking when he did this? I hadn’t heard a single word about it till you posted this.  Now, I might look it up.  What were you thinking? I did think about this and hesitated about posting. However, the stream has been discussed on ROFF in the past, the RMN has a circulation of over half a million readers who live in proximity to the stream, the stream is not and never will be a destination water, etc. etc.

O.K., so you aren’t worried about ME coming to fish there.  It’s only the residents of Denver and it’s immediate environs that you wish to EXCLUDE in this particular instance; only anyone who is likely to want to go there.  And this comes to us from a man just coming down off a week long rant about the exclusionary atmosphere in ROFF.  The same man, by the way, who thinks it is a good idea to exclude human beings altogether from certain areas.  So, we are all required to be nice to the newbies and tell them everything they need to know about HOW to fish, but not let anyone know about Willi’s favorite spots in Colorado.  And I’ll bet a shiny new nickel that anytime someone tells you about a SECRET stream you make a point of staying away from it in order to keep the pressure down, right?  You sir, are a monumental hypocrite.

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My own opinion is that the future of the sport lies in lotteries or tickets for limited access to the most popular waters, and encouraging fishermen to spread their days over a diversity of waters, and to limit their days fishing if need be. Right now, I don’t think people really fish too often, just that they concentrate those days on the few well-publicized "gold medal" waters… I whole heartedly support limited access. I don’t know how the change the pattern of high concentration on a few select waters in any other way.

Publicize less popular waters?  I think if Colorado were actually worried about it, the first step would be to stop publicizing the "gold-medal" waters.  Since they continue, I have trouble believing that they find the crowding to be as big a problem as those here on ROFF do.      - Ken

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I whole heartedly support limited access.

What about a minimum age requirement, say 50? Give the youngsters something to look forward to. — Charlie…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….what was the guy thinking when he did this? I hadn’t heard a single word about it till you posted this.  Now, I might look it up.  What were you thinking? I did think about this and hesitated about posting. However, the stream has been discussed on ROFF in the past, the RMN has a circulation of over half a million readers who live in proximity to the stream, the stream is not and never will be a destination water, etc. etc. O.K., so you aren’t worried about ME coming to fish there.  It’s only the residents of Denver and it’s immediate environs that you wish to EXCLUDE in this particular instance; only anyone who is likely to want to go there.  And this comes to us from a man just coming down off a week long rant about the exclusionary atmosphere in ROFF.  The same man, by the way, who thinks it is a good idea to exclude human beings altogether from certain areas.  So, we are all required to be nice to the newbies and tell them everything they need to know about HOW to fish, but not let anyone know about Willi’s favorite spots in Colorado.  And I’ll bet a shiny new nickel that anytime someone tells you about a SECRET stream you make a point of staying away from it in order to keep the pressure down, right?  You sir, are a monumental hypocrite.

Isn’t that the mantra of all the hypocrites here?   "I want less crowds…all the rest of you stop fishing" Hey, I’m as selfish as the next person, but at least I admit it.       – Ken

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I whole heartedly support limited access. What about a minimum age requirement, say 50? Give the youngsters something to look forward to. — Charlie…

Sounds like a good idea Charlie except the minimum age for the prime spots should be 70. Ernie

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Sounds like a good idea Charlie except the minimum age for the prime spots should be 70.

Let’s implement it gradually so that is true in about 18yrs<g. — Charlie…

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I really like that idea a bunch! I whole heartedly support limited access. What about a minimum age requirement, say 50? Give the youngsters something to look forward to.

Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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Isn’t that the mantra of all the hypocrites here? "I want less crowds…all the rest of you stop fishing" Hey, I’m as selfish as the next person, but at least I admit it.       – Ken

Absolutely.  It’s highly ironic that everyone professes to want to promote the sport while at the same time decrying the numbers of people found on the water.  The jealous secrecy attached to particular hallowed favorite waters is especially telling.  I’m not fond of encountering crowds on the waters I fish either, but it’s easy enough to find something secluded.  As for the health of the waters themselves, individual bodies only remain popular so long as there are sufficient numbers of fish to maintain a high level of interest; not many people are going to stay for long on a stream with no fish in it.  So, a favorite stream gets written up in a magazine.  Everybody goes there and pretty soon all the fish are dead.  Everybody stops going.  A few years later the stream has recovered and in the meantime everybody is busy doing the same thing to another.  Or, thousands of people converge on a stream, the stream maintains high fish populations and life goes merrily on. Anyone TRULY interested in reducing fishing pressure on their favorite streams (or any other for that matter) should immediately do three things:  1.  Stop fishing NOW!  2. Stay OFF this news group.  3. Encourage anyone who plans to stay in ROFF to roast EVERY newbie who comes along.

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<< .. I did email the guy with my opinions about it, but what was the guy thinking when he did this?

I have been dealing with the same thing here in Spokane.  The local outdoor writer, who by the way happens to be an old time fly fisher, has taken to talking non stop about the blue ribbon lakes up in my hometown area.   He is vague when he talks about his own favorite waters but brags up these alpine lakes to no end.  As a result, there were over 200 fly fisherman on my favorite lake this opening weekend when two years ago there were only 40 people. Mike

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Maybe the guy was thinking that responsibility for stream-use management belongs to the DWR.

He could have made this point without naming the stream itself. I also don’t think that was his slant. He is pretty much of the opinion that C&R is THE solution to all of Colorado’s problems. The numerous public meetings he mentioned that are scheduled to discuss upcoming regs for a number of our waters should be well attended, hotly debated affairs. Willi

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but what was the guy thinking when he did this? He was thinking about selling newspapers.

About two years ago, Fly Fisherman magazine did an issue with two articles on small trout streams, located only minutes away from Los Angeles and Phoenix.  I wonder how many fish were left a month or so after they hit the newsstands. If you scan through the back issues of FFM from the early ’80’s onward, you notice that practically every issue mentions the Bighorn River — at first with titles like "America’s Greatest Trout River," but they start turning into "Over-crowding on the Bighorn."  I have yet to see any sort of mea culpa or any other sign of self-consciousness from the editorial staff though. Kevin

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….what was the guy thinking when he did this? I hadn’t heard a single word about it till you posted this.  Now, I might look it up.  What were you thinking?

I did think about this and hesitated about posting. However, the stream has been discussed on ROFF in the past, the RMN has a circulation of over half a million readers who live in proximity to the stream, the stream is not and never will be a destination water, etc. etc. Willi

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he wasn’t thinking, at all.  this brings to the forefront my primary concern regarding the present and future state of this sport.  there are too damn many people who fish, and those who do fish, fish too often.

The situation here in Colorado is that although there have been fewer licenses sold over the last few years, but there are now many more fly fishermen who fish many more days per year.  The result is historically high pressure on our streams and rivers. anyone who exposes a fragile resource such as the one willi describes should be banned from fishing for a substantial time, after a severe ass whipping.     and yeah, this is the primary reason why i don’t get enthused over making certain that the sensibilities of newbies are massaged.  there’s a gracious plenty of us out there as it is.

Although I definitely DON’T think that’s an excuse for being an asshole toward people, I agree that we don’t need more people fishing the streams and rivers. We are in a unique position, in that with most endeavors, if there is more interest, more facilities can be built to accommodate them. You can’t build a trout stream. Willi

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… I did email the guy with my opinions about it, but what was the guy thinking when he did this?

Outdoor writers have to walk a fine line between being vague and therefore irrelevant to their readers and "spilling the beans" so to speak and perhaps harming the spots they write about. I basically agree it’s a bad idea to publicize places that are best left well enough alone but I do have some sympathy for the dilemma outdoor writers face too. — Ken Fortenberry

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….what was the guy thinking when he did this?

I hadn’t heard a single word about it till you posted this.  Now, I might look it up.  What were you thinking?

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there are too  damn many people who fish, and those who do fish, fish too often.

Hey speak for yourself Mr. "I live only a few short hours away from heaven on Earth" Harrison. The only fishing I’m doing these days is in my dreams. But in heartfelt agreement on the punishment due that writer. —- Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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but what was the guy thinking when he did this?

He was thinking about selling newspapers. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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   he wasn’t thinking, at all.  this brings to the forefront my primary concern regarding the present and future state of this sport.  there are too damn many people who fish, and those who do fish, fish too often.  anyone who exposes a fragile resource such as the one willi describes should be banned from fishing for a substantial time, after a severe ass whipping.    and yeah, this is the primary reason why i don’t get enthused over making certain that the sensibilities of newbies are massaged.  there’s a gracious plenty of us out there as it is.

Yeah!!  You tell it.  Anyone who wasn’t fishing pre-1974 (chosen so that I just barely meet the requirement) shouldn’t be allowed on the water at all.  And all you who do meet that requirement can’t take your kids with to even let them see the water.  It’s a special club dontcha know. Hey, here’s a thought, since it’s all you boomers out there that are causing the crowds, why don’t we just regulate you all off the water? It’d get rid of the crowds…      - Ken

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The point is that this is a small stream that can’t sustain a great deal of pressure. It could be easily fished out and even with C&R, crowds are totally inappropriate on such a small stream. Denver has a large population of fishermen. I did email the guy with my opinions about it, but what was the guy thinking when he did this? Willi

    he wasn’t thinking, at all.  this brings to the forefront my primary concern regarding the present and future state of this sport.  there are too damn many people who fish, and those who do fish, fish too often.  anyone who exposes a fragile resource such as the one willi describes should be banned from fishing for a substantial time, after a severe ass whipping.     and yeah, this is the primary reason why i don’t get enthused over making certain that the sensibilities of newbies are massaged.  there’s a gracious plenty of us out there as it is.     wayno

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The point is that this is a small stream that can’t sustain a great deal of pressure. It could be easily fished out and even with C&R, crowds are totally inappropriate on such a small stream. Denver has a large population of fishermen. I did email the guy with my opinions about it, but what was the guy thinking when he did this?

Maybe the guy was thinking that responsibility for stream-use management belongs to the DWR. –Steve

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In the Rocky Mountain News today, there is an article by Ed Dentry discussing fishing on a small stream in the foothills of Denver. The stream actually runs through some of Denver’s suburbs. The article was about how the stream was ignored by fishermen on their way to more distant waters and that some of the landowners in the area were attempted to put C&R regs on the stream. It’s been 15 years since I lived in the Denver area, but when I did, this stream was my local favorite. It was VERY lightly fished and held some nice fish, especially in the urban sections. A guy who has posted trip reports to ROFF about the stream, lives in an apartment right next to it and echoes my memories of it. The point is that this is a small stream that can’t sustain a great deal of pressure. It could be easily fished out and even with C&R, crowds are totally inappropriate on such a small stream. Denver has a large population of fishermen. I did email the guy with my opinions about it, but what was the guy thinking when he did this? Willi

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I recently relocated to So California (Pasadena).  Can you suggest any good fly fishing holes? Thanks in advance.

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Give the Pasadena Casting Club a call.  I know that they fish the San Gabriel River (although it has been a bit "blown" out due to the heavy rains this winter).  They should be able to help you find some spots. If you like to float tube, try Big Bear Lake — about a 2 hour drive from Pasadena, and the fishing should be great when things start to warm up.  It is a beautiful mountain lake and is worth the trip.  Tom

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I recently relocated to So California (Pasadena).  Can you suggest any good fly fishing holes? Thanks in advance.

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East and West Forks of the San Gabriel. Piru Creek below Pyramid Lake In the San Bernadino Mountains         Bear Creek         Deep Creek San Gabe and Piru have a rep for some low-life activity that’ll mess with your vehicle, but I think it’s ok during weekdays. Fish Deep Creek at the upper end (not the Mojave side).  The latter has a real bad rep for vandalism (though this could be a rumor started by some clever fly fishers). Now’s the time for all of these creeks.  I like Bear the best. Never fished the San Gabriel, but it’s pretty close to you, so you might try it.  If you go to Piru, make sure you wear insect repellent.  Until I fished there, I had never experienced black flies.  Cute little gnat sized flies that you are not aware are biting you…until the next day when all the welts start to form. —                                                       -dnc- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently relocated to So California (Pasadena).  Can you suggest any good fly fishing holes? Thanks in advance.

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Does anybody how the fishing is there right now. Jay

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Should be good – no snow around yet Mo — British Columbia &  Western Canada Information at = http://www.cvnet.net/modrew/Index.htm ;o) delete "nospam" to e-mail me – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody how the fishing is there right now. Jay

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for what? With the exception of the Yakoun the best steelhead runs are usually late in the Winter. All the coho are either dead or a lovely combination of cherry red and cream coloured fungus. Might be ok for cutts and dollies using glo-bugs or streamers in some of the lakes – but I’d check the reg’s first as I’m not sure if they are even open. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Should be good – no snow around yet Mo — British Columbia &  Western Canada Information at = http://www.cvnet.net/modrew/Index.htm ;o) delete "nospam" to e-mail me Does anybody how the fishing is there right now. Jay

Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.

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Hey guys–there are women on this list who are not "silly blondes" or "chicks."  Could we dispense with the neanderthal mentality and stick to flyfishing?   A smart brunette

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Stereotypes. They’re funny in every direction.  The subject says what it was, if you don’t want to read it, then don’t, if you do, don’t piss and moan. Take responsibility for your actions. Bob

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Hey guys–there are women on this list who are not "silly blondes" or "chicks."  Could we dispense with the neanderthal mentality and stick to flyfishing? A smart brunette

You could always bleach ? — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Hooks down to size 60!

For what?  The midge egg fly? I’d like to know if anyone out there really sees the need for a size 60 hook!   @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@   "See Dick fly-fish.    See Dick catch fish.    See Dick kill fish."           DON’T BE A DICK!  PRACTICE AND TEACH CATCH AND RELEASE @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@

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  Some of you have mentioned sizes down to 28`s.   Is this U.S size 28? Doesn’t matter.  Size 28 hooks are invisible; however, they are very good for catching imaginary trout on some phantom stream. anglerboy

28’s are an absolute extreme.  There are, however, small midges which are about this size.  A sz. 24 or 26 should be able to catch fish feeding on such bugs, however.  26’s are used for Trico spinner falls here, and 28’s are used late in the year.  The Trico’s themselves are acutually sz. 24’s.  The theory is that the wing material in the 24’s and even 26’s gets bent-back because it is limp and flexable enough that it’s length allows this.  On a sz. 28 and 26, the wing material is shorter so the "bent" wing is lessened.  This is true on fished-over trout. Jason Beary

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Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate!

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Hooks down to size 60! For what?  The midge egg fly? I’d like to know if anyone out there really sees the need for a size 60 hook!   @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@  "See Dick fly-fish.   See Dick catch fish.   See Dick kill fish."      DON’T BE A DICK!  PRACTICE AND TEACH CATCH AND RELEASE @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@

Can anyone see a size 60! Peter

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Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate!

It just so happens that "Ginky looking" means "Good Looking". It also means Goodfellow or he is a good gink.  It also means baby salmon or smolt or fish.  Regarding the intent of the meaning applied t this lost, old, old word that I restored into usage, in our case it means, "Good Fisherman".  It is a word which dresses another in compliments. You’re certainly welcome.  Show me where this blonde is! Mr. G.

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Hey guys–there are women on this list who are not "silly blondes" or "chicks."  Could we dispense with the neanderthal mentality and stick to flyfishing? A smart brunette You could always bleach ?

No good will become a fellow who longs after bleached things. Humble manner… Close shave every Thursday… Spinolio

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate! It just so happens that "Ginky looking" means "Good Looking". It also means Goodfellow or he is a good gink.  It also means baby salmon or smolt or fish.  Regarding the intent of the meaning applied t this lost, old, old word that I restored into usage, in our case it means, "Good Fisherman".  It is a word which dresses another in compliments. You’re certainly welcome.  Show me where this blonde is! Mr. G. According to Webster gink means a trick, a term of reproach applied to a woman, or a man or boy regarded as odd. Good for you in restoring it’s meaning<g, and good luck with the blonde. Charlie…

In Webster’s New Twentieth Century Dictionary "Unabridged" that is SIX INCHES THICK and printed from 1904 – 1953-4 the word GINK is not listed Charlie.  However; in The Century Dictionary AN ENCYCLOoPEDIC LEXICON OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE copyrighted in 1889, it is listed and referred to as a word of antiquity that is seldom if ever used.  The definitions that I posted are accurrate and are the original historical story of the word ‘gink’ which this works explains of all words.  When first recorded as used . . . several examples how to use the words, etc. Webster, in this case is totally incorrect.  In fact, the word ‘gink’ had not been used in any known literature or newspapers world-wide for a long time.  Attesting to how remote it had been removed from the English language and the use thereof.  You just don’t hear people going around and referring to an endearing gentleman today ans a fine gink of a man. You don’t hear fishermen referring to baby salmon as gink salmon but smolt instead . . . anymore.  My spin on the word in naming Gehrke’s Gink was to revive the word to mean a product that is used by "Good Fishermen" or literally, "Good Gentlemen".  In fact, the name Gehrke’s Gink was so odd at the time of its introduction that anything with a name as crazy as this one . . ."I just have to try it once, has to be good," is what helped endear this world’s best product to a public that at the time didn’t have a dry fly dressing that worked and which was chemically safe.  But that is another story. I love the word GINK!  It is a fun word and I can assure you Charlie, no where in human history in the finest libraries I have been in, does any demeaning definitions of the word occur, until in the most recent times when hundreds of people now have what they think are literally hundreds of differnt meanings . . . because they are putting ‘their spin on the word.’  It is a strange sounding word to the ear, for one thing.  But any old Dictionary Brittanica Encyclopedia has the original meanings still intact.  In fact, just the word ‘Salmo or Salmon’ can cover nearly a thousand words in such a set just explaining Salmon.  GINK are indeed baby smolt, or salmon Charlie.  I’ve been studying this word for over 25 years.  There has never, never been a derogatory definitions to the word until recently.  To the best of my knowledge. The spring salmon are starting to move up the Snake here and the little ginks will soon be searching, once again, the callings of the sea. From one good old Gink to another fine Gink, I remain, Sincerely, Mr. Gink George Gehrke Your friend

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate! It just so happens that "Ginky looking" means "Good Looking". It also means Goodfellow or he is a good gink.  It also means baby salmon or smolt or fish.  Regarding the intent of the meaning applied t this lost, old, old word that I restored into usage, in our case it means, "Good Fisherman".  It is a word which dresses another in compliments. You’re certainly welcome.  Show me where this blonde is! Mr. G.

According to Webster gink means a trick, a term of reproach applied to a woman, or a man or boy regarded as odd. Good for you in restoring it’s meaning<g, and good luck with the blonde. Charlie…

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Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  

At 53 years of age I like to stop at a #20 hook and just try to get the body of the fly a little smaller. On the last week of the 96 season we caught some medium size trout on # 3 weight outfits with 7x tippet and #20 flies. This is about my limit. I know that others go much further down the scale and it is just OK with me. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Bob ..This joke is totally inappropriate for the fly fishing B-B. Now; If it started off…So this, "Ginky looking" blond pulls up to a hair salon in her "Orvis" Grand Cherokee. She walks in to get a haircut; to look good for the Catch & Release wet Golfers on Moe Skeeters favorite stream. Then add your silly blonde joke..See, much more appropriate!

You’re absolutely correct Nancy.  Please accept this sincere apology. OBROFF: This blond is standing in a creek with some hipboots on and holding a flyrod, whipping it back and forth with obvious growing anxiety… Along comes our friend, Dan Gracia, who…in a very gentlemanly and professional tone asks what the problem is… "I can’t catch any flies", answers our Platinum Pflueger Pflogger. "I think I see your problem", says Dan who reaches into the reel, pulls out the tippet and begins threading it through the guides… "Do you have any flies ?", he asks her "I told you already, I couldn’t catch any…." — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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<snip There has never, never been a derogatory definitions to the word until recently.  To the best of my knowledge.

I am not a scholar of the word GINK, that is true<g. You may want to check out http://liberty.uc.wlu.edu/~hblackme/oed/gink.html which lists some annotated uses of the word gink from 1910 to 1970. I found it by doing a web search on the word ‘gink’. There’s more stuff out there as well. FWIW. Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Really, it’s silly.         So a young blonde girl goes into a salon to have her hair cut and sits down in the chair.  The barber/stylist/follicle engineer notices that the young lady is wearing a Walkman and is listening intently to what is coming in through the headphones.  They discuss what style she would like her hair done in, along with the usual pleasantries, and as they go to wash her hair, the stylist offers to take her headphones for her.  To this she replies with wide-eyed panic,"No!! You Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  Needless to say this shocked the stylist and she washed the girl’s hair while the girl continued to wear the headphones.         After the washing, the stylist began to cut the girl’s hair and again suggested the she remove the headphones.  Again the girl almost screamed,"No!! I Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  So the stylist continued to work and finally couldn’t take it anymore and ripped the headphones off of the girl’s head throwing them to the floor.  The girl sat bolt upright, turned and looked at the stylist with a horrible paniced expression, and fell to the floor convulsing and finally became unconscience.         The stylist went to her and tried to revive her, and as others helped, she couldn’t help but put on the headphones to see what it was that this young, healthy girl needed to hear in order to live.  And from the headphones she heard the steady rhythm of a voice saying," Breathe in, breathe out…" Told ya. Bob

Hmmm…why a blond girl?

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Really, it’s silly.         So a young blonde girl goes into a salon to have her hair cut and sits down in the chair.  The barber/stylist/follicle engineer notices that the young lady is wearing a Walkman and is listening intently to what is coming in through the headphones.  They discuss what style she would like her hair done in, along with the usual pleasantries, and as they go to wash her hair, the stylist offers to take her headphones for her.  To this she replies with wide-eyed panic,"No!! You Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  Needless to say this shocked the stylist and she washed the girl’s hair while the girl continued to wear the headphones.         After the washing, the stylist began to cut the girl’s hair and again suggested the she remove the headphones.  Again the girl almost screamed,"No!! I Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  So the stylist continued to work and finally couldn’t take it anymore and ripped the headphones off of the girl’s head throwing them to the floor.  The girl sat bolt upright, turned and looked at the stylist with a horrible paniced expression, and fell to the floor convulsing and finally became unconscience.         The stylist went to her and tried to revive her, and as others helped, she couldn’t help but put on the headphones to see what it was that this young, healthy girl needed to hear in order to live.  And from the headphones she heard the steady rhythm of a voice saying," Breathe in, breathe out." Told ya. Bob

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Really, it’s silly.         So a young blonde girl goes into a salon to have her hair cut and sits down in the chair.  The barber/stylist/follicle engineer notices that the young lady is wearing a Walkman and is listening intently to what is coming in through the headphones.  They discuss what style she would like her hair done in, along with the usual pleasantries, and as they go to wash her hair, the stylist offers to take her headphones for her.  To this she replies with wide-eyed panic,"No!! You Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  Needless to say this shocked the stylist and she washed the girl’s hair while the girl continued to wear the headphones.         After the washing, the stylist began to cut the girl’s hair and again suggested the she remove the headphones.  Again the girl almost screamed,"No!! I Can’t!  If I take off these headphones, I’ll die!"  So the stylist continued to work and finally couldn’t take it anymore and ripped the headphones off of the girl’s head throwing them to the floor.  The girl sat bolt upright, turned and looked at the stylist with a horrible paniced expression, and fell to the floor convulsing and finally became unconscience.         The stylist went to her and tried to revive her, and as others helped, she couldn’t help but put on the headphones to see what it was that this young, healthy girl needed to hear in order to live.  And from the headphones she heard the steady rhythm of a voice saying," Breathe in, breathe out…" Told ya. Bob

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  Now you can test your dries, emergers, and nymphs on the guppies in your kids’ goldfish bowl (C&R, of course). There are even rumors of a joint venture with a Seattle bio-tech firm for a size small enough to fair-hook a virus. Where will it end? I just heard that the Irish cloners have joined steelhead sperm with with mayfly eggs, and produced a natural fly with a hook already in it. Only the blonde ones work for fly fishing though…they have the hole in the head to tie on to! jg

     Takes a blonde to know a blonde.                                    Harv

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: I was fishing the San Juan a few years ago in the same area as a guide & : his client.  The client was doing considerably better than me, so I : asked the guide what size fly his clients was using. (I think the size : is more telling than the pattern) The guide replied "Size 40." : Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made : that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend : make them up for me." I used to have some 32’s around – looked like little bronze shavings brushed out of a file. It’s probable that the guy was pulling your leg, but who knows – there may well be some asshole out there selling 40’s by now. Regrettably, I can’t follow a 22 dry in rough water, so doubt that I could even guess where a 40 actually was ;-^) — 3798 Woodland Drive     voice: (250) 368-9315 Trail, BC               data:  (250) 368-9341

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I must say that some of you have really helped me out with my quest for a lightweight outfit.Am now searching for local suppliers of these makes of rod etc,to get an idea of what to go for.Thanks. However,the U.K and U.S must be at cross-purposes when it comes to hook sizes. Some of you have mentioned sizes down to 28`s. Is this U.S size 28? How do you tie flys on hooks this size,I struggle on 22`s?? Are you using ultra light tippets. I thought i fished light with 18-22`s 1.5 pound tippet(Seems not)!! — All things great,come to those who wait. Not always the case,me thinks. K.A.White

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  Some of you have mentioned sizes down to 28`s.   Is this U.S size 28? Doesn’t matter.  Size 28 hooks are invisible; however, they are very good for catching imaginary trout on some phantom stream. anglerboy

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I was fishing the San Juan a few years ago in the same area as a guide & his client.  The client was doing considerably better than me, so I asked the guide what size fly his clients was using. (I think the size is more telling than the pattern) The guide replied "Size 40." Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." Helpful guy!!! Willi

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Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me."

No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  Now you can test your dries, emergers, and nymphs on the guppies in your kids’ goldfish bowl (C&R, of course).   There are even rumors of a joint venture with a Seattle bio-tech firm for a size small enough to fair-hook a virus.   Where will it end?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Not being a COMPLETE idiot, I said, "Thanks, but hooks aren’t even made that small."  His replie, with a snicker was, "I have a jeweler friend make them up for me." No need for a custom job anymore.  I just saw the first generation of Nano-Tech hooks.  Apparently a joint product development of Tiemco and Orvis.  Down to size 60, I understand.  Now you can test your dries, emergers, and nymphs on the guppies in your kids’ goldfish bowl (C&R, of course). There are even rumors of a joint venture with a Seattle bio-tech firm for a size small enough to fair-hook a virus. Where will it end?

I just heard that the Irish cloners have joined steelhead sperm with with mayfly eggs, and produced a natural fly with a hook already in it. Only the blonde ones work for fly fishing though…they have the hole in the head to tie on to! jg

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The Housie smallie is worth the fishing. During the summer I fish the times and locations where the trout shouldn’t be, and almost never hook one. The bass will hit all day long on hot summer days, while the trout are more active at dawn, dusk and after dark. Fish a big crayfish-looking fly like a #4-6 wolly bugger rather than petite nymphs or dries. Fish outside ( for me usually downstream of) the stocked trout management area. Avoid cooler feeder stream entries and more highly oxygenated areas where the trout might congregate. ( There’s some discussion of closing down fishing in the management area during hot weather, so also check the streamside postings.) The Housatonic Flyfishermens’ Association ( Sorry, there’s no phone number on my membership card) is a valuable source of information and guidance. Maybe another reader can provide the #, or let me know and I’ll send you a copy of the next newsletter.

I’ve let the above repeat because it is good advice, worth repeating.  The HFFA information recording is at 203 248-8616.  If you are wading, watch out for the releases.  Sometimes Northeast Utilities has the water release schedule at 860 824-7861.  Having screwed up by failing to maintain and lying about the condition of their nuke plants, NU has had to shut almost all down, creating a potential for brown outs or worse, so the power plant at Falls Village tends to be running a lot.

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All, I just moved to Ct. and understand the trout in the Hous get very stressed as the water temp. increases. I would like to leave them to rest and catch smallmouth instead! Any tips would be appreciated.

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The Housie smallie is worth the fishing. During the summer I fish the times and locations where the trout shouldn’t be, and almost never hook one. The bass will hit all day long on hot summer days, while the trout are more active at dawn, dusk and after dark. Fish a big crayfish-looking fly like a #4-6 wolly bugger rather than petite nymphs or dries. Fish outside ( for me usually downstream of) the stocked trout management area. Avoid cooler feeder stream entries and more highly oxygenated areas where the trout might congregate. ( There’s some discussion of closing down fishing in the management area during hot weather, so also check the streamside postings.) The Housatonic Flyfishermens’ Association ( Sorry, there’s no phone number on my membership card) is a valuable source of information and guidance. Maybe another reader can provide the #, or let me know and I’ll send you a copy of the next newsletter.

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Hi gang: Since moving to Oregon I have been doing alot more fly fishing and I began to see the advantages of a drift boat or the like.  However Drift boats take up alot of space and require a trailer and cost$$$.  I have always enjoyed rafting and surf kyaking so it seemed logical to look at canoes.  What I need is something that can handle the equipment for fishing and camping for a few days and the ability to handle upto class III rapids. Am I dreaming?  Do any of you folks fish from a canoe and have some suggestions on what to look for.  I am willing to give up some initial stability for whitewater capability as most of the rivers I fish have at least a couple of class III and IV rapids. Thanx in advance! charles.

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Hey If you find one let me know..I love fishing bones in a canoe..use an electric troller… and I’m due for a new one.

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Canoes are great watercraft, but not the best fishing craft on streams.  I have a Mad River Explorer which I love, but it is quite difficult for a single person, i.e. stern paddler to manage the canoe in fast water and at the same time place the fisherman in the bow in optimal position to fish holding water.  This is particularly true if the canoe is loaded down with camping gear.  If fishing is you primary use, I would recommend a raft with rowing frame.  It takes up less space than a canoe or driftboat and you could probably pick up one at an end-of-season sale for little more than you’d spend for a canoe capable of negotiating whitewater safely.  On the other hand, if you mostly want to float and *stop* to fish likely areas, the canoe is faster and more fun.  Hope this helps.  One thing to remember is that you won’t stop at Class III if you’re like most of us.   Longspeer

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I fish from canoes quite a bit but in somewhat different waters (ozark streams). My  experience is  that flyfishing while solo paddling required a canoe with good tracking otherwise one ends up having to correct my course during almost every cast. However note that  to run class III rapids you will probably want a play boat with plenty of rocker unless you are exceptionally good on a canoe. I have no solution for this opposing requirements. For what is worth, I use a Mad River Malacite. RioSimpson.

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I used to have an Old Town Katahdin that I could stand in easily.  It has a 41" beam and is a good buy for the money!

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writes: Canoes are great watercraft, but not the best fishing craft on

streams.  I……Longspeer   I Have to Agree that a canoe of any type would be less than ideal for fishing in most faster water.  Rafts are much more stable and forgiving when your attention is on that HUGE trout you have on.  We used to count on going swimming if we took a canoe, and we were on pretty tame waters.  I usually fish from a drift boat, but have fished from rafts and, if set up right, they are great! Steve May

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Check out Aquaterra’s kayaks: Keowee, Keowee II and Gemini or Jocasse. I’ve had a Gemini, a two person 16′ kayak with a single 6′ opening, for six years or so. The big advantage over a canoe is that it’s less influenced by wind. It’s very stable and has a comfortable seating position. Downside: a little on the heavy side 65# and not very practical to carry overhead like a canoe but you can drag it just about over any type of terrain without worrying about damage. Glenn Lemke Manchester, VT

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I agre with Glenn on the advantage of a Sea Kayak over a canoe.  I have an Aquaterra Chinook, BUT–if you ever hook into the bow portion, and I’ve done it with a clumsey cast, you’re screwed!  For all around use in flatwater of 50acres or less–the float tube is probably the way to go.

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Charles: I’ve done considerable fishing from my Mad River "Courier" and it would be an excellent boat for what you want. It was designed to be an extended wilderness tripping boat. It is tough and handles rapids very well and has a semi-v bottom characteristic of Mad River canoes. The construction is of Royalex (or Mad River’s equivalent) so it will take a beating and keep on ticking. I use mine for camping, fishing and just tooting around. I would definitely buy another. Richard Warren Raleigh, NC

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I am the one that suggested a Mad Rive Courier canoe. I forgot to add that this is a solo canoe. Buy yourself one of those cheap short paddles about 24" long to correct your drift with. It is a lot easier than reaching for a long heavy paddle. Richard Warren Raleigh, NC

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Hello all, I’m sure this question has been asked a million times, and I’m sorry to do it again, but here goes.  I’m planning on starting fly-fishing this spring, mostly for bass and panfish.  I got a fly rod and reel for my birthday, a package deal from Cabela’s with everything I need to start–according to them. Its a nine foot 8 or 9 weight rod with a nice reel, backing, line, and leader included, some bass flies, a fly tying kit, etc. What I’m looking for is advice on books and videos on tying lines together, casting, etc., basically all the beginner stuff.  Something to get me started.  Or should I just take a class and forget trying to teach myself? Any help appreciated. Mike

Hi Mike, Teaching yourself is definitely worth the effort.  You can certainly learn enough to catch a few fish.  Then find a friend to go with you that has fly fishing experience and just watch for a while.  Ask questions… Swap flys. The Poul Jorgenson videos on tying are very good and the Lefty Kreh casting tapes are good as well.  I found a book called "Fly Fisherman’s Bible" that gives very good basic techniques for dry, wet, streamer and nymph flys.  But I must admit, I did not begin to understand wet flys until I read Bergman.   I have been very fortunate to have a wonderful friend, fishing buddy and teacher.  He has taught me so much and saved me years, literally, in fishing trips through his experiences.   Hi John!  (grin)! Thanks, Bob

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Mike— Glad to see you starting out.While you can teach yourself with the help of many fine pieces of literature out there,a casting class combined with a guided excursion or fishing class will pay high dividends as well as the fun you will have.   Also check for local clubs as they offer a wealth of info at little or no charge as well as the ability to meet people and a possible partner.     At any rate ,I hope to see ya on the river!                                      tight loops!!  D.Davy

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flies, a fly tying kit, etc. What I’m looking for is advice on books and videos on tying lines together, casting, etc., basically all the beginner stuff.  Something to get me started.  Or should I just take a class and forget trying to teach myself? Any help appreciated.

It is posible to become an inelegant, fish-catching caster by standing in the middle of a lawn with your rod in one hand and an instruction book in the other.  Scientific Anglers put out a magazine format intro text that is worth much more than the $3.95 they charge.  If you want a real book, though, pick up Roderick Haig-Brown’s "Primer of Flyfishing".  His explanations are as easy and fluid as a good cast.  The book was written in 1964, but the essentials have not changed in the last 30 years. If you meet someone who is catching fish, quickly reread the chapter on stream etiquette and introduce yourself.  There is no substitute for liveware. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello all, I’m sure this question has been asked a million times, and I’m sorry to do it again, but here goes.  I’m planning on starting fly-fishing this spring, mostly for bass and panfish.  I got a fly rod and reel for my birthday, a package deal from Cabela’s with everything I need to start–according to them. Its a nine foot 8 or 9 weight rod with a nice reel, backing, line, and leader included, some bass flies, a fly tying kit, etc. What I’m looking for is advice on books and videos on tying lines together, casting, etc., basically all the beginner stuff.  Something to get me started.  Or should I just take a class and forget trying to teach myself? Any help appreciated. Mike

I started Fly-fishing about two years ago.  My first move was to make contact with a friend of a friend who knew his stuff.  That I think was the best move, he was very helpful and I was able to branch off to other aspects of the sport since then. If you don’t have any acquaintences who enjoy the sport, maybe seek out an experienced guide, or take a class. If you are going to enjoy the sport to its fullest potential, have an experienced angler show you the ropes Good Luck and enjoy. Ben

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Hello all, I’m sure this question has been asked a million times, and I’m sorry to do it again, but here goes.  I’m planning on starting fly-fishing this spring, mostly for bass and panfish.  I got a fly rod and reel for my birthday, a package deal from Cabela’s with everything I need to start–according to them. Its a nine foot 8 or 9 weight rod with a nice reel, backing, line, and leader included, some bass flies, a fly tying kit, etc. What I’m looking for is advice on books and videos on tying lines together, casting, etc., basically all the beginner stuff.  Something to get me started.  Or should I just take a class and forget trying to teach myself? Any help appreciated. Mike

Very lucky!! Get a copy of the Curtis Creek Manifesto, and read it and take its advice. Then, find somebody who already knows how to flyfish, and ask them to take you out, then buy them a beer or something afterwards. Have fun! Tim

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Hello all, I’m sure this question has been asked a million times, and I’m sorry to do it again, but here goes.  I’m planning on starting fly-fishing this spring, mostly for bass and panfish.  I got a fly rod and reel for my birthday, a package deal from Cabela’s with everything I need to start–according to them. Its a nine foot 8 or 9 weight rod with a nice reel, backing, line, and leader included, some bass flies, a fly tying kit, etc. What I’m looking for is advice on books and videos on tying lines together, casting, etc., basically all the beginner stuff.  Something to get me started.  Or should I just take a class and forget trying to teach myself? Any help appreciated. Mike

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