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Took my son Tom, up NW of Jackman, Me. for a couple of nights of camping and fishing. We drove up Friday, the weather threatening some rain so I nipped into WallyWorld and got him a cheapie rainsuit, hopefully guaranteeing that it wouldn’t rain. On the way in we went down to the boat launch on Holeb pond, one of two spots where people put in for the "bow trip". The campsite was mobbed, a full troop of scouts from Connecticut were preparing to launch the bow trip the next day and there was a full load of other campers. We then drove up to Turner pond, a small pond with special regs (arts only, 2 fish with a slot limit) and found that campsite deserted so we made camp. After a tasty steak we took the canoe out on the pond and to my surprise there were some hex’s hatching so I rigged up and moved down the left shore where I spotted some fish rising. I managed to miss a half dozen hits and the hatch died off so we made for the tent. The next morning after breakfast we went out and I hit the sinking line hard, fishing streamers and missed a couple of feeble hits. After lunch I let Tom take the canoe out by himself, a first for him, and he went out to a big rock and managed to get on the rock without dumping himself in the pond. He found a plaque that was somewhat sobering, commerating two fishermen who drowned in 1976 while fishing their "favorite pond". Later in the day a local came by and shared what he knew about it, the two gentlemen, one in his 70’s and one in his 50’s, a father and son, got caught on the pond in a storm and their canoe capsized, they didn’t make it to shore. Tom wanted to try flyfishing so I spent an hour or so with him in the road working on his cast. After dinner we went back out and he managed a couple of brookies, one about 6" and one about 10" on the dry fly. He was very happy. I managed one about 12" and again the hatch died off so we made to bed. This morning the wind was high, it was drizzling and nasty hot and humid, the mosquitoes were well fed, so we decided to cut the trip short by a day and come home. He was ready and to be fair so was I. Turner pond, for the record, is a pretty little pond about 18 miles out of Jackman. The main concentration of fish seemed to be on the north shore, where I could hear a fast running brook, but never managed to see where it was dumping into the pond. I suspect the fish population isn’t what it should be, or it was just a poor weekend for fishing as there were not that many fish showing, despite the hex hatch. I did manage to foul hook a 4" rainbow smelt on my #6 dry fly, a new accomplishment in setting records for the smallest fish on a trip The kick for me in this trip was Tom’s first trout/fish on a flyrod.  Tom had tried flyfishing once before but refused to practice casting, so the results were predictable, he got skunked and discouraged. The kick for Tom this time was outfishing his dad, and on a fly rod to boot ( he was so smug). In another 10-15 years I expect he’ll be in here sharing his (hopefully improved) puns and sharply developing sense of humor. Another flyfisherman has been introduced to the ranks. Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more

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Great report, Dave.  I’ve been thinking about making an overnighter up that direction sometime in the next week or so.  May even stop by the Rapid.  How are water levels in the rivers?  Water temps? Dave L.

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appreciated.  Indian Joe

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appreciated. Indian Joe

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The Kennebec north of Madison is running very low, except the streach near the forks where the levels are dictated by the rafting companies. I stopped in a small fly shop near Solon on the way back and he said that the river is fishing well, but the hatches are poor, nymphs seem to be the ticket. He also said the water temp is running 65-68 in the Kennebec. I’m told the kennebec in Waterville is so low that you have to carry your boat across the sand bar, I’ve never seen it that low. Also Waterville is "off" as far as fishing, the trout must be sulking and the stripers went back down the river. Fly

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Great report, Dave.  I’ve been thinking about making an overnighter up that direction sometime in the next week or so.  May even stop by the Rapid. How are water levels in the rivers?  Water temps? Dave L.

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I’m going to be in Oregon in mid-August and would like to get in a day or two of fishing.  Does anyone have a suggestion for guides and locations?   I would love to try summer steelhead and trout if possible. Thanks, Steve

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I’m going to be in Oregon in mid-August and would like to get in a day or two of fishing.  Does anyone have a suggestion for guides and locations? I would love to try summer steelhead and trout if possible.

Any of the lakes around Mt. Bachelor such as Hosmer Lake, Elk Lake, Todd Lake and many others should be good for trout.  Great float tubing.  You also have the opportunity to fish the Deschutes River, a great spot, especially with a guide if you’re a first timer there..  For more info you might try Sunriver Fly Shop (541)593-8814 or Sunriver Guides and Outfitters (541)593-8247 both located in Sunriver, Oregon. Greg

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I’m going to be in Oregon in mid-August and would like to get in a day or two of fishing.  Does anyone have a suggestion for guides and locations?   I would love to try summer steelhead and trout if possible. Thanks, Steve

I stayed at Crystalwood Lodge in the Klamath basin about 4 years ago and had a great time.Their guides usually take you to the local rivers such as the Williamson or the Wood. I had a good success and I’m nowhere near an expert, but it is not a budget trip:). If "Marlin" is still guideing try to get him, Lloyd Heilbrunn

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Steve — If you want to fish for steelhead on the Deschutes in mid-August you will have be in north-central Oregon, about 90 miles from Bend and about 250 miles from Klamath Falls.  You will probably need a guide who fishes the mouth of the Descutes, although some fish will probably be as far south as Maupin by mid-August. Rob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to be in Oregon in mid-August and would like to get in a day or two of fishing.  Does anyone have a suggestion for guides and locations? I would love to try summer steelhead and trout if possible. Thanks, Steve

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  A few slight differences of opinion, noted below. OK, I will try.  A sportfisherman will have a big cockpit, a transom door, and a stepped up entrance to the salon. Its helm will be in a position so that the captain can see the transom and the cockpit. Common fishing accessories would include a marlin or tuna tower, outriggers,  and cockpit controls.

  A fair description, but I might add that the cabin might be very small or nonexistent.  The emphasis is on fishing, not cabin. A Sedan has a bigger salon, and even a smaller cockpit than a convertible. 25 years ago the difference between a convertible and a sedan was the sedan had an enclosed salon with sliders or a sinlge door in the aft bulkhead; the convertible had an open salon with no aft bulkhead. All three styles, sportfisherman, sedan, and convertible, have a flybridge.

  My definition of a sedan is a bit different.  What I call a sedan they don’t seem to make anymore, but they used to be fairly common.  There is a style of boat that has a smaller cabin and larger elevated back deck area (higher because it is over the engine), with the helm in the forward most portion of the back deck area.  At least the forward portion of this deck would be enclosed, with glass windows, windshield wipers, etc.  It would not have a fly bridge.  A lot of the "classic" wood boats were built this way.   Older sedan models were often a displacement hull rather than a planing hull. An express cruiser has no flybridge!

  I would add that the helm station is rather exposed, often with little or no windshield. The boat is fairly low profile, making it fast and light, as well as a minimum of bridge clearance.  They are not good for foul weather, however, as their only helm station has no protection. Rod

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Hi, Peggie, I agree with the statements for the late seventies models but the late sixties early seventies had most of the engines for the Silvertons under the cock pit with the drives going under the entry. Most other Larz group boats did the about the same thing. Most of the sedans that we have in our area from that era have small salon access. A few with sliders but here in the Midwest, most Silvertons have the door and window option. — Regards and God Speed, Gary Gary W. Sandvik The magic is in the magician not the wand! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, My one exception is the difference between the sedan and convertible cockpits. Early sedan designs that I’ve seen Silverton, Trojan seem to have larger cockpits with smaller salon access. I dunno Gary, the Trojan F32 and F36, built from ‘73-91, all had wide sliding glass doors from the cockpit to the saloon. The early ’70s Eggs and Pacemakers had wood bulkheads with small doors, but the late ’70s forward also had big sliding glass doors. In fact, by the mid-’70s glass saloon aft bulkheads were pretty much standard on all of ‘em…’cuz inside lower helm stations in addition to the flying bridges begin to become popular. Circa late 60s’ too mid 70s’ seem to have this design aspect. This allowed a larger engine area below the cockpit to accomodate those HP to push those monster hulls. Again, I dunno…That might have been true of smaller single engine models, but the engines in every twin engine flybridge sedan/convertable/sportfisher I’ve seen–including mine–are beneath the saloon, not the cockpit. All that weight midship instead of aft certainly makes it easier to get on plane and hold it at lower RPMS…an something I consider a definite advantage over express style cruisers. Peggie  Hell my old 28′ Silverton SD FB, keel was at least 8" thick and about 3/4-1" at the gunnel. Even the transom was about 1/2 to 3/4" thick. Long before they knew anything about reducing the mass to save $$. Heck the guy who originally brought the Rock to Peoria told me stories about how he broke ice to get into the harbor. Another old river story but I’m sure he broke some ice somewhere. But Capt, your descripts were good! — Regards and God Speed, Gary Gary W. Sandvik The magic is in the magician not the wand! OK, I will try.  A sportfisherman will have a big cockpit, a transom door, and a stepped up entrance to the salon. Its helm will be in a position so that the captain can see the transom and the cockpit. Common fishing accessories would include a marlin or tuna tower, outriggers,  and cockpit controls. A convertible is a boat that compromises between a "sedan" and a "sportfisherman". It will have a smaller cockpit, usually no stepped up entrance to the salon (more often than not "apartment door" sliders), and the helm will be in a more forward position. A Sedan has a bigger salon, and even a smaller cockpit than a convertible. 25 years ago the difference between a convertible and a sedan was the sedan had an enclosed salon with sliders or a sinlge door in the aft bulkhead; the convertible had an open salon with no aft bulkhead. All three styles, sportfisherman, sedan, and convertible, have a flybridge. An express cruiser has no flybridge! What do you say class, how did I do? Capt Lou of "Nautical Talk Radio" heard every Sunday morning 8 – 9 on WPRO 630AM serving Rhode Island and every Sunday afternoon from   4 – 5 on WATD 95.9FM serving Massachusetts.

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Hi, My one exception is the difference between the sedan and convertible cockpits. Early sedan designs that I’ve seen Silverton, Trojan seem to have larger cockpits with smaller salon access. Circa late 60s’ too mid 70s’ seem to have this design aspect. This allowed a larger engine area below the cockpit to accomodate those HP to push those monster hulls. Hell my old 28′ Silverton SD FB, keel was at least 8" thick and about 3/4-1" at the gunnel. Even the transom was about 1/2 to 3/4" thick. Long before they knew anything about reducing the mass to save $$. Heck the guy who originally brought the Rock to Peoria told me stories about how he broke ice to get into the harbor. Another old river story but I’m sure he broke some ice somewhere. But Capt, your descripts were good! — Regards and God Speed, Gary Gary W. Sandvik The magic is in the magician not the wand!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, I will try.  A sportfisherman will have a big cockpit, a transom door, and a stepped up entrance to the salon. Its helm will be in a position so that the captain can see the transom and the cockpit. Common fishing accessories would include a marlin or tuna tower, outriggers,  and cockpit controls. A convertible is a boat that compromises between a "sedan" and a "sportfisherman". It will have a smaller cockpit, usually no stepped up entrance to the salon (more often than not "apartment door" sliders), and the helm will be in a more forward position. A Sedan has a bigger salon, and even a smaller cockpit than a convertible. 25 years ago the difference between a convertible and a sedan was the sedan had an enclosed salon with sliders or a sinlge door in the aft bulkhead; the convertible had an open salon with no aft bulkhead. All three styles, sportfisherman, sedan, and convertible, have a flybridge. An express cruiser has no flybridge! What do you say class, how did I do? Capt Lou of "Nautical Talk Radio" heard every Sunday morning 8 – 9 on WPRO 630AM serving Rhode Island and every Sunday afternoon from   4 – 5 on WATD 95.9FM serving Massachusetts.

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Thank’s for the help.   On a day like this,  when the sleet is falling atop the five inches of snow we just got – I sometimes go to yachtworld,com boats for sale and just dream of  boat twice the length of mine.   Now I have a much better idea what I’m looking at. Alan

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Dear Jim, Welcome to the group. I wish I had any advice for you, alas, all I can offer are cyber-hugs and the belief that someone else here will have some useful information. This is a great group, they’ve all helped me a lot! Alex

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hello, I’m new to  this group,,actuall this is my first post to any news group although I am in a couple of e-mail list servers for my own major addiction (which is fly fishing),, I am a 42 year old male and have been having problems with migraines at least as far back as first grade (a long,long time) it seems that whenever I go to a doctor about my headaches I get treated like some kind of drug addict and I’m only trying to get otherwise illegal drugs from them,,the nuerologist at the Mayo clinic after trying me on every migraine prophilactic medication he knew of called my headaches "intractable" and wanted me to go to their "pain management sessions"where from what my younger sister (who went through the program)they teach you how "to pretend you don’t hurt",, mental tricks that anyone who has put up with severe headaches for over 35 years knows by instinct or they would have put a bullet through their head a long time ago,,,I use to get some relief using 400 to 800 mg Ibuprofen,,,but did that so often and for so long that I now have an active ulcer ,, so I can not use any of the anti-inflamitory meds,,,and with my headaches happening at a rate of 3 to 6 days a week now my PCP has even stopped prescribing any of the triptains(which only worked for about 50% of my headaches anyway) and has put a note into my chart sayingt that NO narcotic meds were to be administered in the ER anymore either,, so I am without any medical help at all right now,,when I last was at the clinic I was told if I can’t take care of my headaches with extra strength Tylenol that they couldn’t help me,, sorry to be rambling so,, Jim Peterson aka Bear

Jim, It’s time to go "doctor shopping" in your area. You have the absolute right to have "effective" medications prescribed to you for your condition. Your story makes me furious! Others here may have some suggestions, but when all else fails, you can call a pharmacist and merely ask if he/she knows a local doctor who is "liberal" with pain medications. Good Luck, RxMan

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hello, I’m new to  this group,,actuall this is my first post to any news group although I am in a couple of e-mail list servers for my own major addiction (which is fly fishing),, I am a 42 year old male and have been having problems with migraines at least as far back as first grade (a long,long time) it seems that whenever I go to a doctor about my headaches I get treated like some kind of drug addict and I’m only trying to get otherwise illegal drugs from them,,the nuerologist at the Mayo clinic after trying me on every migraine prophilactic medication he knew of called my headaches "intractable" and wanted me to go to their "pain management sessions"where from what my younger sister (who went through the program)they teach you how "to pretend you don’t hurt",, mental tricks that anyone who has put up with severe headaches for over 35 years knows by instinct or they would have put a bullet through their head a long time ago,,,I use to get some relief using 400 to 800 mg Ibuprofen,,,but did that so often and for so long that I now have an active ulcer ,, so I can not use any of the anti-inflamitory meds,,,and with my headaches happening at a rate of 3 to 6 days a week now my PCP has even stopped prescribing any of the triptains(which only worked for about 50% of my headaches anyway) and has put a note into my chart sayingt that NO narcotic meds were to be administered in the ER anymore either,, so I am without any medical help at all right now,,when I last was at the clinic I was told if I can’t take care of my headaches with extra strength Tylenol that they couldn’t help me,, sorry to be rambling so,, Jim Peterson aka Bear

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Welcome to the group Jim.  I felt so bad when I read your post.  I know it doesn’t help much but many of us have been in your situation before.  I myself was just a few months ago.  I was finally referred to a pain clinic that teaches all sorts of coping along with using medication to control my pain. They also have me in physical therapy and counseling.  I’ve been going 8 hours every Wed.   I had no idea a place like that was out there until I kept switching doctor and finally found one that referred me to this place.  Don’t give up!  There has got to be a place out there for you.  I know how discouraged you must be and so do many of us.  Please feel free to rant and rave and vent here as much as you need if it helps.  Be careful with lots of OTC meds, it may be your only relief although minimal, but it can lead to lots of problems at high dosages and some have found it to cause rebounds. Take care I sure hope you’re feeling OK today anyway. Stephanie in OR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -hello, I’m new to  this group,,actuall this is my first post to any news group although I am in a couple of e-mail list servers for my own major addiction (which is fly fishing),, I am a 42 year old male and have been having problems with migraines at least as far back as first grade (a long,long time) it seems that whenever I go to a doctor about my headaches I get treated like some kind of drug addict and I’m only trying to get otherwise illegal drugs from them,,the nuerologist at the Mayo clinic after trying me on every migraine prophilactic medication he knew of called my headaches "intractable" and wanted me to go to their "pain management sessions"where from what my younger sister (who went through the program)they teach you how "to pretend you don’t hurt",, mental tricks that anyone who has put up with severe headaches for over 35 years knows by instinct or they would have put a bullet through their head a long time ago,,,I use to get some relief using 400 to 800 mg Ibuprofen,,,but did that so often and for so long that I now have an active ulcer ,, so I can not use any of the anti-inflamitory meds,,,and with my headaches happening at a rate of 3 to 6 days a week now my PCP has even stopped prescribing any of the triptains(which only worked for about 50% of my headaches anyway) and has put a note into my chart sayingt that NO narcotic meds were to be administered in the ER anymore either,, so I am without any medical help at all right now,,when I last was at the clinic I was told if I can’t take care of my headaches with extra strength Tylenol that they couldn’t help me,, sorry to be rambling so,, Jim Peterson aka Bear

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Jim, Welcome!  You have my sympathies.  What a tough situation…I can’t even imagine. I’m sure that someone in the group can help you.  Good luck. Dawn

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I can really relate…..(As I posted earlier) I was just told this week that my PCP will no longer give me pain meds and that I need to "tough" out my migraines.  To me, that is unacceptable.  Doctor shopping is hard…to date, I have now seen 15 doctors (in 8 years)- all referring me on to another, but I think it’s well worth it when the right one is found. I really just want to welcome you to the ng…and hopefully give you some of the support it’s given me. -Erin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hello, I’m new to  this group,,actuall this is my first post to any news group although I am in a couple of e-mail list servers for my own major addiction (which is fly fishing),, I am a 42 year old male and have been having problems with migraines at least as far back as first grade (a long,long time) it seems that whenever I go to a doctor about my headaches I get treated like some kind of drug addict and I’m only trying to get otherwise illegal drugs from them,,the nuerologist at the Mayo clinic after trying me on every migraine prophilactic medication he knew of called my headaches "intractable" and wanted me to go to their "pain management sessions"where from what my younger sister (who went through the program)they teach you how "to pretend you don’t hurt",, mental tricks that anyone who has put up with severe headaches for over 35 years knows by instinct or they would have put a bullet through their head a long time ago,,,I use to get some relief using 400 to 800 mg Ibuprofen,,,but did that so often and for so long that I now have an active ulcer ,, so I can not use any of the anti-inflamitory meds,,,and with my headaches happening at a rate of 3 to 6 days a week now my PCP has even stopped prescribing any of the triptains(which only worked for about 50% of my headaches anyway) and has put a note into my chart sayingt that NO narcotic meds were to be administered in the ER anymore either,, so I am without any medical help at all right now,,when I last was at the clinic I was told if I can’t take care of my headaches with extra strength Tylenol that they couldn’t help me,, sorry to be rambling so,, Jim Peterson aka Bear

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Hi Jim, Just wanted to say welcome to the group.  Sorry you’re having such a rough time right now with doctors and pain meds.  I’m not sure what to advise, but I know others will help you if they can. Take care, Fiona May yer lum aye reek wi’ other folks coal (Scottish)

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I use to say that I didn’t know anyone who I disliked bad enough to wish a migraine attack upon,, I have changed my mind in that regard,,every person in the DEA and every single doctor should have to endure one of the 3 week straight migraines that I have and a lot of you have had to live with,,and I bet a lot of things would be different for all of us.

I completely agree.   Sometimes I even think that the people who say, "Oh, you get headaches?  Headaches are nothing …. Just take some asprin"  should really experience the type of "headache" that I get – The kind that even a high dose of Demerol and a couple of Vicodin won’t kick.  Thank the gods that I finally found a migraine doc – and at Kaiser, no less!   Pain free days and nights to u all

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Dotty, Could it possibly be Dr. Neal Barnard’s book, "Foods that Fight Pain"?  Just read an article on it. Mona T.

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I think your best bet is to call the radio station and ask them. diane – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone help me locate a book recently published. The author was interviewed on a New York radio station: WOR, the Joan Hamburg show. It was approx. 1-2 months ago.  I heard just the tail end of the interview but did not get the name of the book. I know that the author was male and he was able to successfully treat his migraines and hasn’t had one for two years. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks- Dotty

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Jim,     Welcome to the group.  I hate to hear of stories like yours!  It is so aggrivating!. I agree wtiht he others, it is probably time to find a new doctor.  I hope you find a good doctor very soon.   Take care, Jackie K

Jackie and everyone else , I should have known what this Dr was going to be like when I saw the certificates on the wall from the US Army,,but the Dr. that I had been going to who was pretty understanding when it came to pain had retired and this was the only Dr. I could get in to see without a 3 week advance appointment ,, others have warned about being carefull with OTC medications,,boy do I know that,, I now have an active ulcer directly caused by too many years of too much Ibuprfen,,I have asked the neurologist (again) at the Mayo Clinic (40 miles away for me) to refer me to the Pain Clinic,at Rochester Methodist Hospital,,that is where he said he was going to refer me when I last spoke with him but instead I got sent to the Pain Managment Center,, a completely different type of place, but his secretary says that he will be out of the country for the next 3 weeks,,by shorty after that I should be getting some pain relief as a follow up to the surgery I am going to be having to repair a bone spur and a torn rotator cuff in my shoulder,,,if I would have known I was going to live this long I would have taken much better care of myself,, I use to say that I didn’t know anyone who I disliked bad enough to wish a migraine attack upon,, I have changed my mind in that regard,,every person in the DEA and every single doctor should have to endure one of the 3 week straight migraines that I have and a lot of you have had to live with,,and I bet a lot of things would be different for all of us. Jim Peterson aka Bear

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I amnot sure which book you are talking about but if you go to my migraine page : http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/7379/migraine.html you can check out some books on migraine….I think there are over 50 of them. Karen Can anyone help me locate a book recently published. The author was interviewed on a New York radio station: WOR, the Joan Hamburg show. It was approx. 1-2 months ago.  I heard just the tail end of the interview but did not get the name of the book. I know that the author was male and he was able to successfully treat his migraines and hasn’t had one for two years. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks- Dotty

– You Are Not Alone http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/7379/karen.html

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Can anyone help me locate a book recently published. The author was interviewed on a New York radio station: WOR, the Joan Hamburg show. It was approx. 1-2 months ago.  I heard just the tail end of the interview but did not get the name of the book. I know that the author was male and he was able to successfully treat his migraines and hasn’t had one for two years. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks- Dotty

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Jim,      Welcome to the group.  I hate to hear of stories like yours!  It is so aggrivating!. I agree wtiht he others, it is probably time to find a new doctor.  I hope you find a good doctor very soon.   Take care, Jackie K

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Tom,I too have had many totally satisfactory experiences with Cabela’s. Some three years ago I picked up two disparate hobbies – blackpowder shooting and flyfishing. Through many orders Cabela’s has supplied all my black powder needs and most of the flyfishing gear.  All orders were by phone and I found always the sales folk tolerant of my ignorance in both disciplines and helpful in making selections.  On one occasion involving a multipiece order they sent a fly jacket instead of a fly line… they made the switch promptly and without cost to me.   I suspect there are other providers just as good but I certainly can find no fault with Cabela’s. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dear Mike,     No, every experience I’ve had with them was of the first order. Tom                         <snip Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be goin downhill? any problems with them? Mike

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As much as we should ALWAYS support the local tackle guys, there’s just some things that you can’t buy were you are.  Take me, for instance.  I use a fair amount of bass baits for Pike, but you can’t get Lunker City Plastics, flipping jigs, or spinnerbaits ups here.

Where in Canada are you?  Fishing Plus in Etobicoke has a fantastic selection of soft plastics (Lunker City, Zoom, Gambler, Yamamoto, Phenix, Berkley, Guido Hibdon’s brand, Don Iovino’s brand, and more).  Lots of spinnerbaits, including the Terminator, Stanley, Bulldog, Strike King, Pro-Line, etcetcetc.  Lots and lots of flipping jigs too.  Great service, excellent and most importantly *informed* advice too. Peace, Charles

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Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike

My wife ordered me a bunch stuff for Christmas from Cabela’s and she was _extremely_ frustrated with the service. They were really uncooperative and did not fill orders completely or handle returns properly. When she threatened to take her business elsewhere, the response was apathetic and she ended up cancelling all her outstanding business and purchased the items through Bass Pro (who she felt did a superb job). Fortunately, she starts shopping in like September, so Christmas wasn’t ruined. I was really shocked at what a shitty job Cabela’s did on her stuff. Now I only buy from them when I get a chance (about once a year) to actually go to their store in Sidney. For mail order I’ve been able to get the items I need from BPS and Netcraft.

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Never had a problem with Cabelas….. West Marine…Thats a diffrent story !!!  I hate dealing with them !!!….Leno

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I’ve bought some stuff from West Marine and had good service. Their catalog is excellent, although it leans more heavily to boating and less to fishing. Still, it’s a catalog worth having, it makes quite a wish book. Their prices are very competitive. Their phone is 1-800-BOATING says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – switch to E&B ,  they are top-notch Excuse my ignorance, who is E&B?? Do you have an 800 number to order catalog?? Thanks E&B is now West Marine.  They bought them last year.

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Cabelas is ok with me – I had a pair of neoprenes that had a slight leak in one foot. I contacted them and  received the information on sending it back. They promptly sent a replacement pair which i’ve been using this Summer with zero problems. Other products are # 1 as well – I feel their service is as good as anyone can offer! Keith Piercey

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Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike

I haven’t had any problems in the 10 +  years I’ve been dealing with them !!

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Never had a problem with Cabelas….. West Marine…Thats a diffrent story !!!  I hate dealing with them !!!….Leno

I have had problems with West Marine too.  Back orders that disappear and arguing with a phone rep who said I had to paid full catolog price when I had sales flier in front of me with another price.  A supervisor said the rep was not told of the sale. Don

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Cabela’s has a small boat trailer for sail for about 440 bucks.  Does any one have an oppinion about this trailer?  Is it worth the $440 and is it hard to assemble? Thanks for any help. Wes

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ordered a pontoon boat and attachments a while back. Cabelas quoted a price, shipped the attachments, and then phoned me back and wanted another $160.00 above what they’d already quoted – for shipping the pontoon boat! Was not impressed … I cancelled the order, but had they’d already shipped the attachments – had to return those, and they waited until they got them back until they credited my visa.

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what is cabela’s address or phone so i can get a catalog please thanks

www.cabelas.com or (800) 237-4444.  I’ve had good service frim them so far.

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Do you mean Gander Mountain’s mail order business?  Because we have at least 3 Gander Mountain stores here in Michigan. I noticed the mail order business went away shortly after opening the stores. Mushrat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Unfortunately, Cabela’s gobbled up Gander Mountain.  I guess now it’s Cabela’s vs. Bass Pro.  Time to do business with the local guys! Bob Scott

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Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them?

I haven’t ordered from them since about February, but every time I’ve had to deal with their customer service people I’ve been happy.  Last fall I placed an order and when it showed up the box had been damaged and most of the stuff was gone.  They replaced everything, no problem.  In February I ordered some peacock sword from them, and the catalog said there were six swords per package.  When it showed up there were only four swords in the package.  I called and they sent another package (of four swords to make it right.  So I’m pretty happy when it comes to dealing with Cabelas. — Bob Jarvis Mail address hacked to foil spammers!

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Do you mean Gander Mountain’s mail order business?  Because we have at least 3 Gander Mountain stores here in Michigan. I noticed the mail order business went away shortly after opening the stores. Mushrat Unfortunately, Cabela’s gobbled up Gander Mountain.  I guess now it’s Cabela’s vs. Bass Pro.  Time to do business with the local guys! Bob Scott

As much as we should ALWAYS support the local tackle guys, there’s just some things that you can’t buy were you are.  Take me, for instance.  I use a fair amount of bass baits for Pike, but you can’t get Lunker City Plastics, flipping jigs, or spinnerbaits ups here. As for the Cabela vs Bass Pro Shops, if you can fish for Muskies or Pike, try Reeds for a cat.  I’ve been fairly pleased so far.  Also, here in Canada, there is the Fishing Hole Cat and the Whole Sale Sports Cat.

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E&B is now West Marine.  They bought them last year.

West Marine is primarily a boating store so you might not find the clerks as knowledgable as those of Cabela’s, as well as having a smaller selection, their prices on lures and such are outrageous.  Walmart is much more affordable. Marcus Ward 505 US 7569 "Voodoo" International 505 Class Yacht Racing Association Central Missouri State University – Department of Psychology http://www.throb.net/mward/

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Go to:       http://www.cabelas.com for a free catalog. BTW I have been buying from them for four years and they treat me like a valuable customer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FWIW, we have had the same good service for many years, with no glitches.  We get about two orders/year. SL Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? <snip out of the items I had originally ordered.  Two weeks after the call I finally got written notice that the items were out of stock. That was not the Cabelas I have come to expect. Mark Faulkner what is cabela’s address or phone so i can get a catalog please thanks

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FWIW, we have had the same good service for many years, with no glitches.  We get about two orders/year. SL Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? <snip out of the items I had originally ordered.  Two weeks after the call I finally got written notice that the items were out of stock. That was not the Cabelas I have come to expect. Mark Faulkner

what is cabela’s address or phone so i can get a catalog please thanks

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Now that they’ve grown HUGE, I would imagine this kind of thing would start to be a problem.  As Cabela’s got bigger and bigger, I liked doing business with Gander Mountain a lot more.  The no.2 guy is usually trying harder, and customer service is a sure-fire way to pick up repeat customers. Unfortunately, Cabela’s gobbled up Gander Mountain.  I guess now it’s Cabela’s vs. Bass Pro.  Time to do business with the local guys! Bob Scott

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switch to E&B ,  they are top-notch – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike

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Dear Mike,      No, every experience I’ve had with them was of the first order. Recently I unpacked an anchor rode I had purchased nine months ago, but had not used.  I found a flaw in the rope, called them, they offered to replace the rode without hesitation.  That’s beyond the call of duty. Take care, Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike

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I haven’t bought too much from Cabela’s in the past but this year I ordered a lot of stuff in several orders.  I had numerous conversations with "product specialists" , sometimes for my ignorance on superlines or more info about a rod or lure and I was always satisfied.  When it was a dimension not in the catalog they would run off and get me an immediate answer. I returned about four things for exchange or refund for reasons varied from broken to not what I expected.  Always prompt and no problems.  So far I like Cabela’s. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike In May, two items out of about a 10 item order were wrong – and not even close.  I got two fleece jackets instead of two sets of rain gear pants. First time in many years of Cabela’s orders that that has happened.  I immediately returned them with the appropriate form, requesting the original items.  Weeks passed.  I finally called, and by then they were out of the items I had originally ordered.  Two weeks after the call I finally got written notice that the items were out of stock. That was not the Cabelas I have come to expect. Mark Faulkner

I have never (I try occasionally every couple of years) had quick response to an exchange request. The only way I have found that works is to reorder what I want and return what I didn’t want for credit. I buy almsot nothing from Cabela’s anymore because they are so bad about listing sizes, weights, and strengths. Bass Pro is much better.                                 Erik from SF/Boston

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FWIW, we have had the same good service for many years, with no glitches.  We get about two orders/year. SL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? <snip out of the items I had originally ordered.  Two weeks after the call I finally got written notice that the items were out of stock. That was not the Cabelas I have come to expect. Mark Faulkner

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Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike

In May, two items out of about a 10 item order were wrong – and not even close.  I got two fleece jackets instead of two sets of rain gear pants. First time in many years of Cabela’s orders that that has happened.  I immediately returned them with the appropriate form, requesting the original items.  Weeks passed.  I finally called, and by then they were out of the items I had originally ordered.  Two weeks after the call I finally got written notice that the items were out of stock. That was not the Cabelas I have come to expect. Mark Faulkner

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Is anyone else finding Cabela’s customer service to be going downhill? They used to be really pleasant and willing to do whatever was needed to make things right when they would screw up an order. Anybody else have any problems with them? Mike

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i’ll be vacationing in hampton beach new hampshire, and would appreciate advice on good spots for either stripers or smallies. what about the inlet and back waters at hampton beach or the mouth of the merrymack river at the mass border? what flies are working well? thanks.

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i’ll be vacationing in hampton beach new hampshire, and would appreciate advice on good spots for either stripers or smallies. what about the inlet and back waters at hampton beach or the mouth of the merrymack river at the mass border? what flies are working well? thanks.

Reel-Time has weekly fly fishing reports for the Merrimack River, and has recently been expanded to cover the NH and Maine Coast.  I write about the Merrimack and can tell you that the Merrimack has been doing well.  Olive/white clousers and Chartreuse/white clousers have been taking fish.  The URL’s in my sig. — Mark N. Cahill For E-mail remove the _Remove_This from the reply to address. http://www.geocities.com/Baja/3297/fishing.htm Mark Cahill’s Fishing New Engand -Daily Fishing News http://www.reel-time.com/ The Internet Journal of Saltwater Fly Fishing – Metropolitan Boston Regional Editor

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I will be in the north-west at the end of august and beginning of september. where are the best fly fishing spots? i have a car and i am willing to drive around. thank you so much for your help. breckwm

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I will be in the north-west at the end of august and beginning of september. where are the best fly fishing spots? i have a car and i am willing to drive around. thank you so much for your help.

Be sure to check out some of the following locations: Idaho – St Joe River, Coeur d’Alene River Montana – Madison, Gallatin, Yellowstone River and Yellowstone Park Flies – Hoppers, Bead Head Nymphs, attractors, caddis Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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: Be sure to check out some of the following locations: : Idaho – St Joe River, Coeur d’Alene River Mr. Beatty is reminding you of the spots along the freeway.  You might want to keep looking at the map. : Flies – Hoppers, Bead Head Nymphs, attractors, caddis I agree. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Central Washington: try the Yakima River from above the Roza dam pool to Lake Easton. Water levels drop after Labor day as irrigation needs fall off. good floating in upper canyon, above Ellensburg and below Cle Elum. Cle Elum lodging-Timber Lodge (509) 674-5966;  good flyshop in E’burg on south Main (but I don’t remember name). Fishing is catch and release, barbless hooks.  I try to get in a day or three every Sept-Oct. Tight lines! John Dodge

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try the tributaruies of the skykomish along highway 2.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be in the north-west at the end of august and beginning of september. where are the best fly fishing spots? i have a car and i am willing to drive around. thank you so much for your help. breckwm

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Hi Ralph, Please tell me, how do you bracket an Olympus Stylus? I take one on fishing trips (35mm f3.5), but use print film. I normally use slide film for all my land based stuff with my Nikon. I never considered using slide film with the Stylus! Mark Rupp

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Hi Ralph, Please tell me, how do you bracket an Olympus Stylus? I take one on fishing trips (35mm f3.5), but use print film. I normally use slide film for all my land based stuff with my Nikon. I never considered using slide film with the Stylus! Mark Rupp

Bracketing is usually not necessary with print film. Print film has much more latitude (forgiveness for exposure error) than slide film (2-3 stops or more vs. at most 1.5 with slide film). The "point and shoot" non-’disposable’ cameras usually have a function that allows you to compensate for backlighting that will "fool" the automatic exposure system. — Richard W. (Dick) Lander; sportsman, photographer, Macintosh devotee, proponent of personal liberty. *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * *  *

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for a camera to take with me out on the river.  I fish mainly for Salmon and Steelhead, and much prefer taking a photo rather than killing a fish.  My question is, what kind of camera should I buy?  I want good quality, but reliability is important in that environment.  Should I look at waterproof / resistant cameras? Thanks! Matrix Hi Matrix I use a Minolta Dual 35. I has two lenses built in, is water resistant to 18′, and is bright yellow to help avoid lossing the camera. It also has a built in auto flash and is auto focus. What I like to do is take picture of fish while they are under the water and this camera works well for this. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

Like Mr. Beatty I also use the minolta dual 35. Excellent camera,has all the features I need.I also bought a lithium battery for it and it lasted two years of constant use(mainly for fish pictures). I bring it on all my trips,that accounts for at least 100 days of fishing a year.                             /                               /  )                  \|//        /   (            (0-0)      /                .–(_)–.  /          )  /                                              =====/    (   )          (         (   )      ) /             o*–*           (      (_/                  _ )           _)

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Gledhill) writes: I am looking for a camera to take with me out on the river.  I fish mainly for Salmon and Steelhead, and much prefer taking a photo rather than killing a fish.  My question is, what kind of camera should I buy?  I want good quality, but reliability is important in that environment.  Should I look at waterproof / resistant cameras? Thanks! Matrix

I like the Pentax IQ-90-WR. Great camera. Just remember – water resistant not water proof! Also, if anyone finds a lens cap for the IQ, please let me know. Only weakness that I’ve found with it. No big deal, but… Trout Unlimited also has a one-time-use water proof camara that they sell. Some of the money goes to TU for their trout programs. Don Burns

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Hi Joseph. It depends on what you want to shoot specifically. I know that the underwater shots are popular in the states, and such a camera will provide protection against an accidental dunking however an SLR will give you more options in the long run.   You’ve got some great looking country out there and SLR will get you scenics or landscape type shots. By carrying two or three lenses you’ll be giving yourself immense variation. Taking pictures of fish is possible with almost any camera, however you will find I have no doubt that you’ll want to take pictures of other anglers fishing nice looking locations as well as taking pictures of sunrises and sunsets. You will also be able to take close up shots of flies in fishes mouths and even pictures of natural flies. In short you might find the photography bug as gripping as the fishing.   I’m a freelance broadcaster/writer/photgrapher with contributions of photographs to around 40 publications. I’ve used a dozen or more cameras over the past 15 years. I’ve come to the conclusion the you/I should buy the best I can afford, you’ll have more options that way. Whats more, todays auto focus SLRs are almost foolproof in that the camera does all the work for you. I’m currently using a Canon EOS 10. I’ts auto focus, has a built in TTL flash ( through the lens ) which is good enough for taking fish pictures. Buy a simpler camera to start with by all means. However you will in time begin to realise the you have limited options.                  Tight lines and happy snapping. Dave Tait. I am looking for a camera to take with me out on the river.  I fish mainly for Salmon and Steelhead, and much prefer taking a photo rather than killing a fish.  My question is, what kind of camera should I buy?  I want good quality, but reliability is important in that environment.  Should I look at waterproof / resistant cameras? Thanks! Matrix

– dave tait

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I am looking for a camera to take with me out on the river.  I fish mainly for Salmon and Steelhead, and much prefer taking a photo rather than killing a fish.  My question is, what kind of camera should I buy?  I want good quality, but reliability is important in that environment.  Should I look at waterproof / resistant cameras? Thanks! Matrix

Hello, I have a Minolta sport camera(the yellow one) and  it takes great pictures.  They are about $280 but well worth it.  If they happen to have problems, Minolta will stand next to their product. Happy Fishin’, Paul

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I have a Dual and while it is a functional/durable camera, IMHO it is not the best picture taking tool for this situation. While I do not recall the exact statistics, the Dual has relatively few focus stops in the autofocus system (maybe as few as 12 or less) versus other (more recent) AF P&S cameras which can have 200-600 stops. What this means is that you can get an inordinate amount of just out-of-focus photos because there are fewer stops on which the focus will be dead-on. Should your subject be between these fixed stops the photo will be somewhat blurry, especially if you make enlargements where the problem will be more evident. A friend of mine owns a very large camera store in NYC and he recommends the Pentax 90WR to everyone, sportsman as well as nonsportman. In his opinion, the combination of the cameras funtionality, water-resistance and zoom range make it a great choice for a wide range of people. One not; the Minolta Dual is *water-tight* to a depth of 18 feet or so while the Pentax is weather resistant (thus the WR) and may be water-tight to a couple off feet or so. A bit of experience: two years ago I spent a week in Alaska chasing RBT and salmon. Before I left I couldn’t find my Dual and was forced to bring my big SLR. For five days I fished with a Minolta 9xi semi-pro body and a very large 70-210 f2.8 dangling around my neck. Actually, the lens fit very nicely down the front of my waders when not in use. While this may sound like alot of trouble, I wound up shooting a roll of 36 exposures a day each day. The results were excellent with not a single badly focused shot in the lot. I could not have even hoped for anything close to this with the Dual. The Dual has its place, IN MY OPINION, if you are serious about the quality of the photos I would suggest you look elsewhere. (Please, no flames from those who love their Duals.) Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I use a Minolta Dual 35. I has two lenses built in, is water resistant to 18′, and is bright yellow to help avoid lossing the camera. It also has a built in auto flash and is auto focus. What I like to do is take picture of fish while they are under the water and this camera works well for this. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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I am looking for a camera to take with me out on the river.  I fish mainly for Salmon and Steelhead, and much prefer taking a photo rather than killing a fish.  My question is, what kind of camera should I buy?  I want good quality, but reliability is important in that environment.  Should I look at waterproof / resistant cameras? Thanks! Matrix

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Get those self contained one time disposable camera/film deals from Kodak. No hassle, no worry if you lose it. The fish will nevefr lok as good to anyone else as it did to you anyway.

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My question is, what kind of camera should I

buy?  I want good quality, but reliability is important in that environment.  Should I look at waterproof / resistant cameras? Thanks!<< Nikonos.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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I am looking for a camera to take with me out on the river.  I fish mainly for Salmon and Steelhead, and much prefer taking a photo rather than killing a fish.  My question is, what kind of camera should I buy?  I want good quality, but reliability is important in that environment.  Should I look at waterproof / resistant cameras?

I use a Pentax zoom 90-WR. It’s been submerged any number of times and has banged on a lot of rocks but it still works well. But you face some real technical problems taking pictures of fish. First, if the fish is in the water it won’t show up well in the photo unless you have a polarizing filter. And for me it turned out to be a real hassle to net the fish, remove the fly (all while holding on to my rod), and still take any sort of decent picture while keeping the fish alive.  I’ve come to the conclusion that the folks at home are going to have to rely on my word about the fish I catch! I still take my camera if I think there’s going to be something interesting to record. Lots of times, that means other things than fish. Bob

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I am looking for a camera to take with me out on the river.  I fish mainly for Salmon and Steelhead, and much prefer taking a photo rather than killing a fish.  My question is, what kind of camera should I buy?  I want good quality, but reliability is important in that environment.  Should I look at waterproof / resistant cameras? Thanks! Matrix

Hi, You might want to look at the Pentax Zoom90WR. It is a water-resistant zoom-lens, point and shoot with many features. It is probably the most popular compact camera with fly fishers and kyakers. I believe the current price is in the $200-$250 range. Best regards,   Alan.   Alan Barnard   Kiene’s Fly Shop   Sacramento, California   WWW Fly Tyer   http://www.ns.net/~barnard

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I am looking for a camera to take with me out on the river.  I fish mainly for Salmon and Steelhead, and much prefer taking a photo rather than killing a fish.  My question is, what kind of camera should I buy?  I want good quality, but reliability is important in that environment.  Should I look at waterproof / resistant cameras? Thanks! Matrix

Hi Matrix I use a Minolta Dual 35. I has two lenses built in, is water resistant to 18′, and is bright yellow to help avoid lossing the camera. It also has a built in auto flash and is auto focus. What I like to do is take picture of fish while they are under the water and this camera works well for this. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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My question is, what kind of camera should I buy?  I want good quality,

but reliability is important in that environment.  Should I look at waterproof / resistant cameras? Thanks!<< Hi Mike   What is the intended use for your photos? I shoot lots of stuff for magazines, advertisements, book and article illustrations, and slide presentations. It’s commercial stuff that will be scrutinized. Depending on the intention of the day I’ll bring a specific range of camera.  If I’m shooting strictly underwater stuff I’ll lug a Nikonos RS or a Nikon f4 in a housing. Both of these are big heavy expensive cameras but nothing can take their place. The smaller Nikonos 5 is the worst of both the underwater and above water photo worlds (heavy, minimal selection of <slow lenses, funky meter, non SLR, etc) . . . don’t be tempted!    If I’m shooting terrestrial stuff and the importance for photos is greater than the need to fish (in other words I’m at work) I’ll carry the F-4 with its compliment of lenses and a tripod.    In a typical fishing situation I’ll bring a Nikon 8008 with a 105mm macro on the body and a 24mm stuffed in the vest.    When packing light I’ll stuff an Olympus Stylus in a vest pocket. It’s a small convenient camera that can take pretty good shots if you bracket a lot (piss poor meter) and brace the thing well (the #1 enemy of small light cameras is vibration). I’ve had many small 35mm cameras and even though the Olympus is FAR from perfect, its water resistant, durable, small, and there when I wouldn’t have another camera. In the land of the blind, it’s the one eyed king.    For film I shoot slides and experiment alot but always come back to Kodachrome 64 or Velvia 50. I can’t help you on print film sorry.    -Ralph —

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You might want to look at the Pentax Zoom90WR. It is a water-resistant zoom-lens, point and shoot with many features.

I have one and I love it.  It’s not as small as some other brands, but it has a host of very nice features and it takes great pictures. –Stephen Wong

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I guess the question is, "How much time do you have?"   Bishop/Mammoth Lakes/Bridgeport are is a favorite.  However, it is on the other side of the Sierras.  There is an airport at Mammoth, however.  Or drive there through Yosemite.  Highway 120 through Tioga pass comes out in that vicinity.  That area would be my recommendation.

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Mike call Hi’s Tackle Box in San Francisco at 415-221-3825 or fax at 415-221-8299 for suggestions. You might also try Dave Finn in Camp Connell who guides on the Eel, Kalamath and Smith Rivers when he isn’t loggin. Fishin is an excuse to rest for him. Another idea is to call the chamber of C for tackle shops for tele numbers to call for advice. I know Mel Cotton’s in San Jose is always willing to give information on good spots if the fishing is good. It seems to me the fishing around Baumn Lake east of Redding is good Fly water, Fall river Mills is it? Catch em big! Bob : By the way, since I’ll be travelling from the East Coast, I could define : "around there" rather liberally. : Do you like big flat water, fast water, little creeks, lots of brush, no brush, : long hikes, drive-up spots, lots of people, or not seeing anyone all day. : You might try getting a book on the California gold rush era, and note where : the rivers are.  There are many rivers flowing out of the Sierra Mtns, with : many small streams.  The American river near Auburn (east of Sacramento) : branches into the north and middle forks, with lots of wide open areas and : fairly easy access until you get farther upstream.  Many of the upper creeks : have good fishing, but can get brushy and might entail a hike to get to. : Figure out what part of the area you want to get to, then get the forest : service map, grab your compass or GPS unit, and go exploring. —  Remember amateur astronomers: "keep looking for the next Universe"

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Could someone please give me the subscription address (or phone #) to fly fisherman magazine? Also any other fly fishing publications that can be recommended would be appreciated. And as a final request, I would like the address or phone for some good mail order fly fishing companies.  Thanks a lot in advance, Brian D. Hadley            

Fly Fisherman PO Box 3474 Mount Morris Il 61054-9937 If you live in California a fairly recent publication that is very good is the California Fly Fisher. The subscription address is: California Fly Fisher PO Box 40429 San Francisco, Ca 94140 John

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 Could someone please give me the subscription address (or phone #) to fly fisherman magazine? Also any other fly fishing publications that can  be recommended would be appreciated. And as a final request, I would like  the address or phone for some good mail order fly fishing companies.   Thanks a lot in advance, Brian D. Hadley            

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