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Done that for bass.  Clear lake in norther California has vast fields of tulies and that is about the only way to fish them. We would use the same tackle we used for  Poke Poling – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for the name of a form of warm water fly fishing that I saw described in some magazine several years ago.   A short line was tied directly to the tip of a long cane pole which was armed with a popping bug which was then dabbled about on the water around lily pads and brush piles.   I believe that this was used in places where brush prevented traditional fly casting. Can anybody help? Thanks in advance. Buff This technique is known as "Doodel Socking",  or simply "Doodeling". For more info have a look at http://www.flyanglersonline.com/features/oldflies/part11.html TL MC

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abcpicts wrote I am looking for the name of a form of warm water fly fishing that I saw described in some magazine several years ago.  …..

Funny you should mention this.  Our club speaker this month was an interesting ol’ character named Harry Smith who uses a very similar technique to illicit frenzied response from bass. His fly is a hookless bird pattern about the size of a baby bird.  He simply ties the birdfly to a short (3-4") spring loaded leader that is tied directly to the rod tip….No reel!.  Harry gets into the weeds and begins dabbling the little birdie here and there until he gets the attention of one or more bass and then the fun begins. The video footage he presented is absolutely amazing!  The fish grab the fly, take it down, eventually let it go….then come back for more.  Harry claims several hundred strikes in an hour.  It’s amazing that the fish keep after the pattern in spite of their lack of success in acquiring any protein from the effort. —                                                       -dnc-

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I am looking for the name of a form of warm water fly fishing that I saw described in some magazine several years ago.   A short line was tied directly to the tip of a long cane pole which was armed with a popping bug which was then dabbled about on the water around lily pads and brush piles.   I believe that this was used in places where brush prevented traditional fly casting. Can anybody help? Thanks in advance. Buff

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There is a version of fly fishing practised in the UK called "dapping". It involves the use of a long rod, a light line and a fine leader. The rod is fished down wind from a boat and the wind bounces the fly from wave to wave. This sounds  like the word you need. Although, your description does not sound like fly fishing in the traditional sense.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for the name of a form of warm water fly fishing that I saw described in some magazine several years ago.   A short line was tied directly to the tip of a long cane pole which was armed with a popping bug which was then dabbled about on the water around lily pads and brush piles.   I believe that this was used in places where brush prevented traditional fly casting. Can anybody help? Thanks in advance. Buff

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bug-dunkin — Don Thompson Another Thompson Scion

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for the name of a form of warm water fly fishing that I saw described in some magazine several years ago.   A short line was tied directly to the tip of a long cane pole which was armed with a popping bug which was then dabbled about on the water around lily pads and brush piles.   I believe that this was used in places where brush prevented traditional fly casting. Can anybody help? Thanks in advance. Buff

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I am looking for the name of a form of warm water fly fishing that I saw described in some magazine several years ago.   A short line was tied directly to the tip of a long cane pole which was armed with a popping bug which was then dabbled about on the water around lily pads and brush piles.   I believe that this was used in places where brush prevented traditional fly casting. Can anybody help? Thanks in advance. Buff

This technique is known as "Doodel Socking",  or simply "Doodeling". For more info have a look at http://www.flyanglersonline.com/features/oldflies/part11.html TL MC

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There is a version of fly fishing practised in the UK called "dapping". It involves the use of a long rod, a light line and a fine leader.

My understanding is that dapping isn’t usually done with a fine tippet. After all, the tippet isn’t supposed to get into the water. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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<SNIP My understanding is that dapping isn’t usually done with a fine tippet. After all, the tippet isn’t supposed to get into the water.

Your understanding is correct. Using too fine a leader is a serious mistake when dapping. I have never used anything less than eight pound mono. Dapping tends to attract large fish. http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/jbedit0699.html http://www.fishandfly.co.uk/jbedit0900.html http://www.amazingoutdoors.com/0,2010,S74-P166-A7436-TA,00.html http://www.masterflyfishing.com/tactics/nymphs/page4.htm http://www.actravel.co.uk/shannon.html http://www.irishfieldsports.com/newpage64.htm You might find these interesting as well; http://www.flymail.com/graphcat/dapping.html TL MC

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Doodling is indeed the word. Large crank baits are used for bass and flies for bream and warmouth. Fish are not lifted from the water but retrieved hand over hand. a cane pole works well. — John Popp in Sanford Fl.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking for the name of a form of warm water fly fishing that I saw described in some magazine several years ago.   A short line was tied directly to the tip of a long cane pole which was armed with a popping bug which was then dabbled about on the water around lily pads and brush piles.   I believe that this was used in places where brush prevented traditional fly casting. Can anybody help? Thanks in advance. Buff This technique is known as "Doodel Socking",  or simply "Doodeling". For more info have a look at http://www.flyanglersonline.com/features/oldflies/part11.html TL MC

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After checking one of my old American books, I found another name for the technique you describe.  It is called "Jiggerpoling".  Much the same as "Doodling" but a plug, bacon rind, frog, etc or similar is used.  A search on "jiggerpoling" turned up these; http://www.gcomag.com/052k/jiggerpole.htm http://www.edersfishing.com/fresh/publication/2000/june/Jiggerploes/d…. cfm Very interesting. TL MC

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snipped great stuff:  A wonderful fight on the 4 wt ‘boo, but I was wishing I had the 6 wt to give me a little bit of umpf to fight the fish (I don’t hold to the lighter rod, better fighting ability theory but the bigger rod manhandle the fish theory).  I eventually turned his head after making him fight his way upstream and landed him in the slack water.  After a couple of quick pictures in the net and the alongside the rod, I released him.  A splash from his tail was his final act of defiance before his departure.

You and Sacajaweah are in love, no?  You and "bird woman?"  ("Sacagawea") Sacajawea means "boat pusher or launcher" Sacajawea also in my mind’s eye (because I am an insatiable romantic) still means "Bird Woman" to me.  She, of all women in America, is to me the greatest of all in our history.  So . . . in a phrase, you went fishing with Bird Woman and she made you smile, a bit? Great post Warren.  I mean it. — Mr.G. http://www.gink.com "the saga continues"

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 A wonderful fight on the 4 wt

Yes indeed.  My love of this rod is no secret and I have been eager for the changing of the seasons to get her back in the line up. — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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:The fishing should be prime right now, just before Run Off, so you best get :those licks in ASAP.  Spring is here, big man.  I’ve been hitting the Snake almost :daily and it is stunning just how eager the fish are right now. Willi and I were talking about this earlier today.  Over the last couple of weeks I have noticed quite a change in the behavior of our resident piscatorial neighbors.  They are very eager to eat after a long, cold winter.  I was telling Willi, that fall and right after winter are just about the only times I can ever get fish on big flies consistently.  Every trip out merely confirms this belief until Spring is finally settled in and Summer approaches. :I know the Arkansas River in Salida, Colorad is prime now as run off starts in :April but I think it will be early all over the North West, don’t you? :Have to run.  Got cork handles to bore out and fit. :And a #32 fly to tie. : ; ) Yes, I think runoff will be a tad bit early.  The Yellowstone was already showing signs of early runoff.  If I hadn’t lived there and fished it regularly, I doubt I would have noticed the slight change. After experiencing it for a couple of years you start to know the water and know the stages of runoff just by the color and what to expect by the weather.  If this recent bit of cold lasts, it may just delay things a bit though.  I have almost quit watching the weather reports because they are wrong more often than not, but I think I am going to start keeping better track during this time of year and hope they are right. The good news is that I am not sure runoff will be all that long. With another bad year for snowpack, I doubt things will be as bad as a "normal" year.  The other bit of good news is that the weather has been operating in terms of "pockets".  It was windy, cold and sunny today in Bozeman, but cloudy, warmer and calm in Livingston.  Ennis has been getting some nice weather according to the news, but West Yellowstone has been repeatedly colder, cloudier, and has more snow. If everything works out like I hope it will, I will be able to fish through most of runoff season yet again due to this pocket effect. I’m hoping at least. Get to that #32.  You are supposed to send me one <g — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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Went fishing today in a long side channel of the Yellowstone that is easily accessible and very wadable.  I couldn’t see any activity from the bank as I rigged up, but decided to use the bamboo in case I came across any rising fish.  The water was a touch off color, but not bad enough to really affect visibility.  I rigged up two nymphs and made my way to the river and to the spot I always start at. After my first couple of casts I began to notice a few fish feeding off the surface.  I couldn’t see what they were rising to, but started looking around and saw mostly midges with very few baetis mixed in.  I decided to clip off the nymphs and fish dries and was rewarded with a chubby little rainbow of about 10" right off the bat.  I caught a couple more and decided to work my way downstream a little further.  I didn’t see any more rising fish so I switched over to a nymph and a big rubber leg brownstone for the deep pools. I worked my way through the deep pools and picked up a couple of fish. The sun began to shine as a big empty patch in the clouds came into position.  I never did see any more rising fish as it stayed sunny for the remainder of my stay, but I had good luck with the olive CDC GRHE and brownstone.  The fish in the faster sections were just hammering the brownstone. There is a section that I really like to fish that has several ridges of rock in the channel.  I don’t know what kind of rock it is, but it looks like maybe some kind of shale.  It is really flaky and the layers stand up almost vertically.  I like to call them the "spines" for lack of a better term.  Anyway, I caught several of fish throughout this area as well as losing several flies to the rocks. My biggest fish of the day, an 18" rainbow that was FAT, took the brownstone.  I thought I was caught up along the bottom because I set the hook when the indicator paused and just felt solid weight like I was hung up on a rock.  After several jerks, all of the sudden it was zzzzzzzz as line starting peeling off.  A wonderful fight on the 4 wt ‘boo, but I was wishing I had the 6 wt to give me a little bit of umpf to fight the fish (I don’t hold to the lighter rod, better fighting ability theory but the bigger rod manhandle the fish theory).  I eventually turned his head after making him fight his way upstream and landed him in the slack water.  After a couple of quick pictures in the net and the alongside the rod, I released him.  A splash from his tail was his final act of defiance before his departure. I caught a few more fish and found a pod of whitefish that proved to be fun.  I also hooked a really nice brown deep in the "spines" that I got to the surface.  When he felt the cold air he violently thrashed on the surface and put on a nice acrobatic display before breaking me off.  I lost several more flies along the bottom and eventually called it quits after having had my fill of fish for the day.  All in all, it was another very pleasant day by myself on a fine river.   I can only hope that the wind in Bozeman dies down tonight so I can hit the Gallatin tomorrow. — Warren Findley "The vice or virtue of any form of angling lies not in the method but in the man." Author Hugh Falkus

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I’m looking for a description of the fishing itself.  I only ask this because you said I don’t need pay $ for a guide on my first day. Additionally, I’ve never fished the Madison River.  

Might not be so bad.  The guy is providing a boat and you will get to cover a lot of water.  You can come back on your own later and fish the spots that appeal to you (unless of course access is limited). Mu

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Ah, the B-52s. I miss them no matter where I am. Great rock and roll dance music!

I was talking about the shot B-52 not the music.  I’m a blue grass man.  I had no idea that there was a band called the B-52. Vern

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Ah, the B-52s. I miss them no matter where I am. Great rock and roll dance music! I was talking about the shot B-52 not the music.  I’m a blue grass man.  I had no idea that there was a band called the B-52.

I knew you weren’t referring to the band, Vern ;^)

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 In fact, you can have seperate quarters away from the likes of Fortenberry, Waldo, Tripper, Wayno, and Jeffy Miller.  These types will corrupt you.

        you eat one little… wayno

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I did not know they had been shot ! TL MC "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Yeah, and they all copied their name from the famous USAF droopy-winged B-52, many motored sumbitch that could carry enough bombs to drop from here to there.  We fondly called it the BUF, ie: Big Ugly F*cker.  I’ve been retired now for *30* years and that big sucker is still flying in the AF inventory.  It’s gonna outlast me fer sure. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ah, the B-52s. I miss them no matter where I am. Great rock and roll dance music! I was talking about the shot B-52 not the music.  I’m a blue grass man.  I had no idea that there was a band called the B-52. Vern

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Yeah, and they all copied their name from the famous USAF droopy-winged B-52, many motored sumbitch that could carry enough bombs to drop from here to there.  We fondly called it the BUF, ie: Big Ugly F*cker.  I’ve been retired now for *30* years and that big sucker is still flying in the AF inventory.  It’s gonna outlast me fer sure.

I grew up in Wichita watching those bad boys fly around at Boeing and McConnell (my dad worked on them at Boeing). Awesome plane. — Charlie…

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Frank Church writes: Yeah, and they all copied their name from the famous USAF droopy-winged B-52, many motored sumbitch that could carry enough bombs to drop from here to there.  We fondly called it the BUF, ie: Big Ugly F*cker.  I’ve been retired now for *30* years and that big sucker is still flying in the AF inventory.  It’s gonna outlast me fer sure.

Frank, I used to live within shouting distance of Westover AFB.  I can remember the B-47s taking off and landing.  But then came those bigger BUFs, the B-52 Speaking of droopy wings — the U-2 wasn’t exactly a stubby winged aircraft. One scared the hell out of me in Japan, landing without power, gliding about 100 feet off the ground, as I walked to work.  All I saw was a giant shadow whisking over me.  It was going into Atsugi Naval Air Station on the other side of the rice paddies. OBROFF:  There is probably still room for the Maine Clave next September. Great fishing, great food, great friends.  Consider it.  Fourteen attending so far. Dave L.

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I grew up in Wichita watching those bad boys fly around at Boeing and McConnell (my dad worked on them at Boeing). Awesome plane.

B-52’s flew in and out of Hanscom Field in the town I grew up in, to get outfitted with the latest black boxes that the Charles Stark Draper and Mitre Labs folks cooked up over there. Flight path to the only runway that’d take those big mf’s went right over our house, but that wasn’t close enough for me and my friends, so we’d ride our bikes out to the perimeter fence at the end of the safety zone and watch them big bastids swoop in and out. Awesome. It’s a miracle I can still hear anything… /daytripper

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of the safety zone and watch them big bastids swoop in and out. Awesome.

I saw one take off back in the 70s that must have been using water injectors and the whole deal; I don’t know what his angle of climb was but I was looking for the CONELRAD station on my dial<g. — Charlie…

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Awesome.

"…fryin’ chickens in the barnyard!" General "Buck" Turgidson

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<Snipped tribute to B-52’s & U-2’s.

Dave Years ago I used to work in the Oklahoma Panhandle which is pretty sparsely populated.  Unknown to me was the fact that there was a flyway for low altitude bombing runs that ran from Clayton, NM to somewhere in western OK.  I was driving down some dirt road trying to find a farmhouse when about 10 B-52’s flew over about 1,000 feet or less off the ground and at full bore.  These guys came one right after the other and just after you lost your  hearing , you could still feel to car and ground vibrate.  The F-111’s that came after them sounded like learjets.  This was when I started carrying toilet paper in my car.  You never know. DP

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I did not know they had been shot !

The planes? They were shot _at_, but they got out unscathed. Opt out == cop-out. What’s so hard to understand?

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 I was driving down some dirt road trying to find a farmhouse when about 10 B-52’s flew over about 1,000 feet or less off the ground and at full bore.  

The early B52’s had the tail gunner actually in the tail. When they modified the plane for low altitude operations they had to move the position to the flight deck after they almost killed one or two in test flights. — Charlie…

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Yesterday I was searching the Internet for a guide in Ennis, Montana for the western conclave.  I thought it would be fun to pay for a day with a guide to familiarize me with the area before doing it alone.  I couldn’t find any in the Ennis area.  Yea, a few in Montana just not in the Ennis area. While in the middle of searching and getting discouraged the man in the brown truck knocked on my door. Remember the fly rod that had the tip snapped off in the car door?  Some suggested I contact the company and see if they would replace it.  I followed your suggestion and sent it off.  The UPS man brought it back yesterday.  Well, I thought he brought it back.  However, when I opened the box it was a completely different rod.  It was a nice and new rod without the river slime on the cork handle.  Cool! The UPS man asked me what it was and I told him the story.  I also told him that I’m going to Montana in July for a fly-fishing conclave.  I also told him that I was searching the Internet for a guide for a guide but couldn’t find one. He replied, "I don’t know what part of Montana your going.  But, if it’s near Ennis, my father in-law is a guide." I almost started laughing.  "Ennis!  That’s where were going," I said. He then informed me that his father in-law is currently in Las Vegas on vacation. What are the odds? To make a long story a little shorter, I talked to his father in-law.  His name is Bob Cleverley.  He’s currently retired but used to be a HS football coach.  He’s been a guide on the Madison River for over 15 years.  I think he said 17 years but not certain.  He has owned a fly shop in the past. However, running the shop, his guide service, and teaching at the local HS was to much for him so he got rid of the fly shop.  Now he’s retired.  How nice for him. Now back to the guide service, it’s a flat fee of $275 which includes transportation, a full day of fly-fishing, over 20 miles floating on the Madison in a 17 foot fiberglass drift-boat, food for the day, and all the local information a local lifetime fly-fisherman can provide.  The price is a flat fee per boat regardless of how many go.  However, only two fly-fisherman per boat.  He has three boats.  He also has other friends that provide guide service. I was hoping another ROFFian could split the price with me.  What I was thinking $150 each.  That would pay for the $275 fee and a $25 tip.  If the fishing is good I could tip him even more. I believe the western conclave is scheduled for July 21-31 in spite George’s desire for it to be around the 4th of July.  I will be taking 9 days off work.  Although, I’m driving and allowing 2 days up and 2 days back.  I have 2 options for my days off, the July18-26 or the July 25- Aug. 2.  That translates into my conclave days either July 21-24 or July 27-31.  I have to make that decision on the day my fly-fishing partner can take the guide service. Here it is, either a guide service on July 21 or July 27.  If you are interested on sharing a trip with me post it or send me an e-mail. Additionally, let me know what day is best for you.  I will schedule the trip.  I don’t have to put a deposit down at this point.  However, after the first of July if I need to cancel there is a $100 cancellation fee. Again, Bob Cleverley has three boats and can get more if needed.  The more ROFFians the better. Vern

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(lil snip) Since I’ve never been to a conclave before I don’t really know what goes on other than breakfast preparation in one’s BVDs, midnight fishing trips while hanging onto a wooden love, sleeping-in while others post to ROFF on their notebooks, lots of drinking and a lot more drinking, rowdy conversations, and really good fishing.  Can you please provide a standard description of a ROFF conclave so I know what to expect?  Warren’s not going to be the guide all ten day is he?

Vern, not to worry.  At an conclave, you can do just about as you please.  The organizers will have scouted out places to fish and will direct you to such places and perhaps even guide you seperately. There will probably be folks at the Western Clave who have fished those waters and they will help Warren in fishing assignments and guiding.  The main thing of any clave is to have fun fishing with buddies/friends, regardless how you met them.  The internet claves I have attended so far have been filled with juvenile antics, much joking, swearing, hard-assing, by a bunch of educated serious men on their way to go fly fishing. Stories about one’s bvds and night fishing etc. are bound to occur.  There will be more stories from the Western Clave and the Spring Fling for that matter. No one is forcing you to drink or smoke or stay up late. In fact, you can have seperate quarters away from the likes of Fortenberry, Waldo, Tripper, Wayno, and Jeffy Miller.  These types will corrupt you.  You could  hang around with Charlie Choc – go to bed early, wake up late, go fishing.  <g As I understand it, you would like to get to Ennis a day or so early and "scout" the place out, possibly even hire a guide for a day.  Arriving early and checking things out is ok, but I am sure Warren and the rest of the western roffians would be more than willing to help. Main thought here, Vern, is:  don’t worry about it.  You will be with friends. They may hard-ass ya, and joke with ya, but they love ya and will make sure you have a great time. I hope to fish with you.  I will have my grand-sons (15 and 16) with me. Dave L.

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Since I’ve never been to a conclave before I don’t really know what goes on other than breakfast preparation in one’s BVDs, midnight fishing trips while hanging onto a wooden love, sleeping-in while others post to ROFF on their notebooks, lots of drinking and a lot more drinking, rowdy conversations, and really good fishing.  Can you please provide a standard description of a ROFF conclave so I know what to expect?

Given your opening paragraph, that’d be redundant. You nailed it! Warren’s not going to be the guide all ten day is he?

There should be at least a few people that have fished that area to allow the group to break up into smaller units. Nobody’s gonna want to fish the Madison for the entire duration – there are many other rivers to fish within 2 or 3 hours of Ennis. I should mention that I gave up alcohol and cigars around 3 to 4 years ago. I miss them at times, but I made a commitment and I can’t afford to break it.  If I do, I don’t think I could stop again.  I think I miss the cigars more than I do the B-52s, especially at the stream.

Ah, the B-52s. I miss them no matter where I am. Great rock and roll dance music! So, whatever description you provide, there’s no need to tempt me with explanations of liquid refreshment.

Normally I’d torture you by noting that you’re surely doomed to a week of depravity, moral turpitude, and Xtreme Liver Abuse. However, I’ll go easy on you and note that Le Duc Du Chocolate has escaped unscathed – repeatedly – with his facilities intact and his morals unmolested. Despite repeated attempts to torpedo same. I’m looking for a description of the fishing itself.  I only ask this because you said I don’t need pay $ for a guide on my first day. Additionally, I’ve never fished the Madison River.  I don’t know what to expect.  If others that have fished the Madison would be kind enough to describe what kind of river it is, I would be much appreciated.

The upper reaches – assuming the river below the Hebgen Lake hasn’t changed much – is a short set of small braids winding through the pucker brush. Short rod fishing works best there. These collect into a modest flow for about a mile if memory serves, then there’s a broad stretch (lake-ish) a few miles long – not really fishable on foot iirc – until you get below Rock Creek. Then you have about 10 miles of fishable water down to Kirby Ranch. From there down to Varney (about 25 miles I think) and beyond the river becomes broader and more boisterous – depending on how much water is coming down through a whole host of creeks – and the best (or at least easiest) fishing is from a drift boat. I’ve done the stretch from Kirby Ranch to the Varney bridge a few times in my life and caught some prodigiously large trout and white fish. There were lots of places to stop the boat and get out and wade gravel bars and cast to wonderful holes. The biggest trout I’ve ever hooked and lost was in the middle of that stretch. There was good fishing on foot along a lot of the river the last time I was out there – but that was before people started building goddamned houses along the banks and posting it, and of course the whirling disease has probably changed what’s in the river – so I’ll have to let others bring me up to date. But again, that’s just one river – and there are a handful of famous streams within 3 hours or so of Ennis. If this post doesn’t make much sense, it’s because I’m falling asleep after a long day.  It’s now 12:30 in Las Vegas.  So, please forgive any errors.

Wimp! It’s now 5:54 in Massachusetts and I’ve been up all night getting a newsletter published. Forget sleepin’ – it’d only make me feel even worse – so it’s direct-injected caffeine for me today! /daytripper (I’m getting too old for this shit!)

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speaking of the western clave, where the hell is Warren?

He’s doing fine. I got an email from him a few days ago. Everything is on track for the Western Clave. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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You don’t need to pay hard-earned money for guide, Vern, Warren’s the guide. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Since I’ve never been to a conclave before I don’t really know what goes on other than breakfast preparation in one’s BVDs, midnight fishing trips while hanging onto a wooden love, sleeping-in while others post to ROFF on their notebooks, lots of drinking and a lot more drinking, rowdy conversations, and really good fishing.  Can you please provide a standard description of a ROFF conclave so I know what to expect?  Warren’s not going to be the guide all ten day is he? I should mention that I gave up alcohol and cigars around 3 to 4 years ago. I miss them at times, but I made a commitment and I can’t afford to break it.  If I do, I don’t think I could stop again.  I think I miss the cigars more than I do the B-52s, especially at the stream.  So, whatever description you provide, there’s no need to tempt me with explanations of liquid refreshment. I’m looking for a description of the fishing itself.  I only ask this because you said I don’t need pay $ for a guide on my first day. Additionally, I’ve never fished the Madison River.  I don’t know what to expect.  If others that have fished the Madison would be kind enough to describe what kind of river it is, I would be much appreciated. If this post doesn’t make much sense, it’s because I’m falling asleep after a long day.  It’s now 12:30 in Las Vegas.  So, please forgive any errors. Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t need to pay hard-earned money for guide, Vern, Warren’s the guide. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Probably sick of George dominating the news group. Big Dale

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Probably sick of George dominating the news group. Big Dale

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speaking of the western clave, where the hell is Warren? — Levi Always do sober what you said you’d do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. –Ernest Hemingway

According to Dave L. he’s been busy with hunting and his work. Darin

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speaking of the western clave, where the hell is Warren? — Levi Always do sober what you said you’d do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. –Ernest Hemingway

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Darin Minor writes: speaking of the western clave, where the hell is Warren? — Levi Always do sober what you said you’d do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. –Ernest Hemingway According to Dave L. he’s been busy with hunting and his work. Darin

Yeah, but that was about two weeks ago that I heard from him.   Dave L.

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Trouble-having problem castin size 6 flies w/ 4 wt. rod. If I use 2x tippet will that help or do I need to back up to a 7wt. rod? Like to catch 1/2 pounders on a light rod.

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<<Trouble-having problem castin size 6 flies w/ 4 wt. rod. If I use 2x tippet will that help or do I need to back up to a 7wt. rod? Like to catch 1/2 pounders on a light rod. A 2X leader/tippet is good for #6 – 10 flies.  A 1X is good for #4 – 8.  You might try teither one; however, you should have little problem casting #6s with a 4 wt. as long as they are not heavily weighted.  Are we talking streamers here, or nymphs? Wooly Buggers?  Trout, bass?  A bigger rod would help (5 or 6wt), but I do not think that is your problem. Dave LaCourse

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bead head brindlebugs for steelhead, thanks for reply. Sounds like heavier tppet should wor even on 4 wt. rod

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Use a heavier leader but consider heavier leaders won’t sink as fast or flow w/ the current as well. I will sometimes use a real heavy leader w/ lighter tippet it is harder to cast but better then too light a leader butt. The butt sections of difffernt size leaders and different brands make a difference. Ones may have a 0.24 or 0.20 (I think thats right)  pick out the brand w/ the heavier butt a 3x from one company or style of leader may differ from 3x. of another brand, read the back of the package, also some tippets may be too limp or to stiff like saltwater tippet.  

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On some occasions, a leader with a thinner butt diameter is better.  When fishing downstream, the thinner leader allows your fly to stay downstream of the leader and fly line. tyler

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Use a heavier leader but consider heavier leaders won’t sink as fast or flow w/ the current as well. I will sometimes use a real heavy leader w/ lighter tippet it is harder to cast but better then too light a leader butt. The butt sections of difffernt size leaders and different brands make a difference. Ones may have a 0.24 or 0.20 (I think thats right)  pick out the brand w/ the heavier butt a 3x from one company or style of leader may differ from 3x. of another brand, read the back of the package, also some tippets may be too limp or to stiff like saltwater tippet.

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     I KNOW, I KNOW!  For reasons I do not need to give here, I cannot fish in the conventional way with a flyrod.  I use the castabubble and 6 ft. leader technique.        If there are any other practitioners of this secret practice, I have some questions.  You can e-mail me secretly and anonymously if you like to keep your closet castabubble practice a secret.      Do I fill up the castabubble completely, or leave some air in it? It seems to make a "wake" on retrieval if there is air in it.  Does this spook the fish?      Do I go  s  -  l  -  o  -  w  , slow, medium, stop and go, or what on retrieve speed.        What kind of flies are the best for this, name and size, please. Do I put floating goop on them to keep them up, or let them become waterlogged and sink?      Do I put a strike indicator, or some tiny float ahead of the fly to keep it up?  If I use large flies like wooly worms, how far down do I let them sink?      I have a secret envy when watching fly fishermen lay that tiny fly down on a ripple way out there.  Just beautiful!  I think sometime they have a secret envy when I show up with $ 20 worth of gear and catch more than they did.      I appreciate all the help.  Steve All replies will be held in the strictest of confidence.

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:      I KNOW, I KNOW!  For reasons I do not need to give here, I cannot : fish in the conventional way with a flyrod.  I use the castabubble and : 6 ft. leader technique.   I can but choose not to most of the time. :      If there are any other practitioners of this secret practice, I : have some questions.  You can e-mail me secretly and anonymously if you : like to keep your closet castabubble practice a secret. No shame in that. I do it quite often when fishing a lake from the shore. It enables me to cast much further out into the lake than with a fly rod when using dry flies or small artificials. :      Do I fill up the castabubble completely, or leave some air in it? : It seems to make a "wake" on retrieval if there is air in it.  Does : this spook the fish? Suit yourself. I generally leave them half full so I can see them. :      Do I go  s  -  l  -  o  -  w  , slow, medium, stop and go, or what : on retrieve speed.   Depends on the lure. With a dry fly I just give it a twitch every once in a while. With a spinner I keep it going fast enough for the blades to spin. :      What kind of flies are the best for this, name and size, please. : Do I put floating goop on them to keep them up, or let them become : waterlogged and sink? Gotta match them to the local conditions. There is no right or wrong answer. :      Do I put a strike indicator, or some tiny float ahead of the fly : to keep it up?  If I use large flies like wooly worms, how far down do : I let them sink? It depends but the Castabubble is all you really need. It’ll take a sudden move just before you feel the strike :      I have a secret envy when watching fly fishermen lay that tiny fly : down on a ripple way out there.  Just beautiful!  I think sometime they : have a secret envy when I show up with $ 20 worth of gear and catch : more than they did. It takes patience and practice. I generally use a fly rod for streams and a Spinning rod for lakes. Other times I take whats easiest to toss in the pickup and head out. BiNM

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    I KNOW, I KNOW!  For reasons I do not need to give here, I cannot fish in the conventional way with a flyrod.  I use the castabubble and 6 ft. leader technique.       If there are any other practitioners of this secret practice, I have some questions.  You can e-mail me secretly and anonymously if you like to keep your closet castabubble practice a secret.

Secret practice?  I’ve probably been using this technique for 15 years though I now do all my flyfishing with a flyrod.     Do I fill up the castabubble completely, or leave some air in it?

Depends on the fly you’re using.  If you’re fishing a dry or wet (grey hackle peacocks are killer with this technique) fill the bubble half to 3/4 full.  You can still chuck it a long way.  If the fish aren’t hitting the surface put on a nymph, streamer, or emerger and fill the bubble up completely.  I used to use the kind of bubbles with just a plastic sleeve in the middle.  I’d run the line through and tie it to a small swivel and then my leader to that.  When the bubble is full it has pretty much a neutral bouyancy and the addition of the swivel and optionally a small split shot will slowely sink it.  Cast it out and use a count down technique before starting your retrieve until you find what depth the fish are.  You can also replace the nymph is a 1-1.5" piece of night crawler and fish it the same way. It seems to make a "wake" on retrieval if there is air in it.  Does this spook the fish?

I don’t think so.  I’ve had some high Sierra brookies hit the bubble on occasion.     Do I go  s  -  l  -  o  -  w  , slow, medium, stop and go, or what on retrieve speed.  

S-l-o-w, when you’re fishing a fly on the surface or just below it, short jerks for nymphs or streamers.     What kind of flies are the best for this, name and size, please. Do I put floating goop on them to keep them up, or let them become waterlogged and sink?     Do I put a strike indicator, or some tiny float ahead of the fly to keep it up?  If I use large flies like wooly worms, how far down do I let them sink?

See above.  The type of fly, whether to use floatant, and the depth are all dependant upon where the fish are feeding.  Rather then use a strike indicator a couple of dots of flourescant paint on the bubble would serve the same purpose, though I’ve never needed to do that. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best?

I fished a bright green egg pattern last weekend and caught a nice 14 inch native Rainbow.  The egg had a little flash on it and very light hackle.  When I tied it on I didn’t really expect much, but then I wasn’t doing much with the regular fare anyway.  The egg pattern pulled the Rainbow out of the depths of a pool. Try it, what the heck!  If the dry flies and usual nymphs aren’t working, try anything!  You never know. Bob, Moss Landing, Ca.

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? I fished a bright green egg pattern last weekend and caught a nice 14 inch native Rainbow.  The egg had a little flash on it and very light hackle.  

Hackle on an egg? I’ve tied a bunch of egg patterns and took the idea behind the "double egg sperm" salmon pattern I’ve seen.  I just tied a single egg in this case but put a couple of wisps of white marabou just in front of the egg.  I gave a handful of these to a friend and he did real well with them on a trip to the Trinity, CA area a couple of years ago.  His buddies were using "standard" egg patterns and they only caught smaller and fewer fish. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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What’s the difference between Glo-Bugs and Pautzkee’s ? A jar of glowbugs would cost $1,423.87 TimW

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity. It used to be a real secret or just the fact that no one used eggs flies other than during the spawning time, but a small egg fly pattern catches trout ALL year.  Instead of fishing a nymph during the Summer switch to a small, well tied egg fly.  You will find that the "Two Strand" method will tie the smallest fly.  Don’t tell any one that I spilled the beans. This pattern will be successful typically anywhere that fish have been reared in a hatchery in their life span. Although, I have fished some remote streams in Georgia that were filled with stream reared ‘wild’ fish which also take them. Another secret relating to ‘egg’ patterns is to visit your local craft store and purchase a pack of ‘pom poms’ at 60 cents for 50 or so. These come in a variety of sizes with 9 mm being the most likely but I have used and caught some large fish on a size of about .5 inch in diameter. Colors of tan, pink and even a red color are available. The tan being a good color where fish have been fed(all over in Georgia for larger angling). These can be easily tied on the hook of your choice but a smaller hook(14 or 16) is best as fish are less likely to feel the hook before you have a chance of getting a set. Just don’t buy my supply and don’t use them where I’m fishing(it will make me look bad). Regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

Joe, thought about that a while ago. How do you fix the pom-balls on the hook, just superglue?? Thomas

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All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity. It used to be a real secret or just the fact that no one used eggs flies other than during the spawning time, but a small egg fly pattern catches trout ALL year.  Instead of fishing a nymph during the Summer switch to a small, well tied egg fly.  You will find that the "Two Strand" method will tie the smallest fly.  Don’t tell any one that I spilled the beans.

This pattern will be successful typically anywhere that fish have been reared in a hatchery in their life span. Although, I have fished some remote streams in Georgia that were filled with stream reared ‘wild’ fish which also take them. Another secret relating to ‘egg’ patterns is to visit your local craft store and purchase a pack of ‘pom poms’ at 60 cents for 50 or so. These come in a variety of sizes with 9 mm being the most likely but I have used and caught some large fish on a size of about .5 inch in diameter. Colors of tan, pink and even a red color are available. The tan being a good color where fish have been fed(all over in Georgia for larger angling). These can be easily tied on the hook of your choice but a smaller hook(14 or 16) is best as fish are less likely to feel the hook before you have a chance of getting a set. Just don’t buy my supply and don’t use them where I’m fishing(it will make me look bad). Regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Thanks, Jon Kreski —

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Thanks, Jon Kreski –Oh yeah, stocked rainbows love them, haven’t had much luck with natives. But I would imagine

during the rainbow spawning period, they would take them just like salmon do.  I’ve also caught suckers on them. Vince

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A tip… A guide showed me this trick and it has been very, very effective for me. We were sight casting to large bows with a 2 fly system, a glow bug and a small biot nymph on the dropper. EVERY single time (like 10 in a row), the fish would see the big honkin’ glow bug and investigate it and then SLAM the biot nymph. I fish a 2 fly glo-bug or big-fly/little-fly combo all of the time. TimW

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: Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern? Yes. : What conditions (time of year : water types, etc.) would be best?   Any water conditions, mostly when other fish are spawing. : What sort of presentation would be best? Dead drift is usually best but I do get quite a few fish on the swing. : Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Pretty much any fish should take a glo-bug. I catch and release hundreds of rainbows, dollies, whitefish and cutthroat every year with them. I’ve been fishing them the last 2 weeks, since the salmon started showing up, and have been averaging 20-25 rainbows and about the same in whitefish every afternoon I’ve been out (3-4 times per week). Largest rainbow landed so far has been about 5 lbs. Quite a few of them actually. Largest rainbow lost, about 10 lbs. (damn fluorocarbon tippet!!!!!). Brad

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A tip… A guide showed me this trick and it has been very, very effective for me. We were sight casting to large bows with a 2 fly system, a glow bug and a small biot nymph on the dropper. EVERY single time (like 10 in a row), the fish would see the big honkin’ glow bug and investigate it and then SLAM the biot nymph. I fish a 2 fly glo-bug or big-fly/little-fly combo all of the time. TimW

This is also a popular method  used on the large British reservoirs/lakes. "Teams of flys"  specifically chosen for enticement and imitation. It defintely adds a new dimension to matching the hatch. Gary McMeekin

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All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity.

It used to be a real secret or just the fact that no one used eggs flies other than during the spawning time, but a small egg fly pattern catches trout ALL year.  Instead of fishing a nymph during the Summer switch to a small, well tied egg fly.  You will find that the "Two Strand" method will tie the smallest fly.  Don’t tell any one that I spilled the beans. Yippi Tie One On AuSable 1

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Thanks, Jon Kreski —

Other trout will definitely take egg pattern. The best time starts right know with the start of the trout spawning season. Tie some trout eggs (e.g. salmon eggs with orange glow bug yarn in size18 or try Gary LaFontaines pattern in size 18-20) and fish it dead drift. The non spawning guys get crazy over it…. Thomas

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best?

Rainbows are big time egg eaters.  In rivers with spawning salmon they’ll hang below the redds waiting for eggs to drift out.  In other streams they’ll eat sucker and squawfish eggs.  In those streams your glo bug should be pretty small and the color muted.  A big, orange, salmon egg type pattern probably won’t do it.   Ross

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern?

All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity. — -Wayne Trzyna

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How do you decide where to fish? (I’m talking about stream flyfishing). It is mainly by checking maps…word of mouth…roaming around until somebody yells at you? Or is public land open to those with a license?

Jeff,  If it’s fenced, or obviously private property, get permission. It’s a common courtesy that more sportsmen could afford to practice.   Often, the owners are so overwhelmed that a member of ‘the public’ is courteous enough to ask permission that they deed the land to you and volunteer to build a house for you at the water’s edge. ‘Course, other times, they just start shooting! :^) Charley

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A couple of friends are helping me into this sport, but I have a question about stream access I’m still a bit uncomfortable with…Some people seem to be very bold about entering a new stream, and some stick to obviously marked recreation areas. How do you decide where to fish? (I’m talking about stream flyfishing). It is mainly by checking maps…word of mouth…roaming around until somebody yells at you? Or is public land open to those with a license?

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How do you decide where to fish? (I’m talking about stream flyfishing). It is mainly by checking maps…word of mouth…roaming around until somebody yells at you? Or is public land open to those with a license?

Well-organised states (i.e. not all) print basic legal information about access in the booklet distributed free with fishing licences. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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How do you decide where to fish? (I’m talking about stream flyfishing). It is mainly by checking maps…word of mouth…roaming around until somebody yells at you? Or is public land open to those with a license?

This is really easy Jeff.  The more signs there are threatening castration for trespassing, the better and more exciting the fishing will be. Tim Walker

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That attitude Tim is what causes property owners to POST property. Mike

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Man, you guys over there in the good ole US of A don’t know what you’re missin’ out on!! Seriously though some excellent fly-fishing is to be had in Tassie. My favourite moments are those when the fish is poking around in 4 inchs of water, spotted back and dorsals breaking the surface. The fish’s window of vision is so small the fly needs to land right in the fish’s path. Too close and the fish is spooked, too far and the fish won’t even notice the fly. I’ve spent up to two hours on a single fish until finally setting the hook. If you fancy a bit of polaroiding then Tassie’s sandy bottom lakes will make you happy (although their not all sandy bottomed!!!!). Large fish up to around 8 pounds cruise around in these crystal clear waters, some tarns are not bigger than an average family’s block of land. If you don’t mind inching your way around on your stomach trying to fool a brown, then Tassie is place for your next visit. Just remember Got any questions about Tassie then read a book! or ask ME..I live in Melbourne which just across bass strait for those of you not familiar. Tassie’s nice but I wouldn’t live there. By the way I am looking for female fly-fishing penfriends….leave a message and I’ll get back. Mark

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Man, you guys over there in the good ole US of A don’t know what you’re missin’ out on!! Seriously though some excellent fly-fishing is to be had in Tassie. Got any questions about Tassie then read a book! or ask ME..I live in Melbourne which just across bass strait for those of you not familiar. Mark

Or you con contact me. I live in the US but my Father in Law is in Tazzie and is Currently the President of Fly Fish Australia. Malcom (his name) and I are in the planning stage of arranging holiday packages for the fly fisherman who would like to try some of the BEST fishing in the world, Anyone interested should contact me, as he is not yet on the net, but we’re working on it. Thanks.

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Hey, how ’bout some content in this post? You sparked my interest!

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Hey, how ’bout some content in this post? You sparked my interest!

This item sparked my interest too, so I’ll start.   I recently tried a new product for saltwater tying.  It’s colored hot glue (pink, orange, amber, green and many others available) for tying Mother of Epoxy (Glue) type bonefish and permit flies.  It is really easy to use this stuff.  Just add bead chain eyes to a saltwater hook.  Drop on a wad of hot glue, dip in water for 3-5 seconds, and it’s cool enough to mold with your hands.  If you don’t like the way the head turned out, you can dip it in very hot water and remold.   This colored hot glue is available at the craft store for aboout a tenth of the price of the fly shop (as are doll eyes and lots of other good stuff for saltwater flies). I recently went to Belize and a hot glue fly (regular tan glue) with a tuft of tan bucktail was red hot for bonefish. John Woodling Sacramento, CA

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Hey John , great post last month’s saltwater fly mag had a guy making these molds and cranking out some gorgeous deceivers…. 1. did you use a mold yourself? 2. Can you share the Namebrand and bottle size of the    stuff you are using? 3. what size hooks are you using 1/0-3/0?? 4. what do you use for Sacramento stripers? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -thanks?

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last month’s saltwater fly mag had a guy making these molds and cranking out some gorgeous deceivers…. 1. did you use a mold yourself?

That’s the beauty of hot glue, you don’t need a mold, you just mold it with your fingers.   For deceiver heads, I use epoxy.  It dries a lot clearer and harder.  You don’t need a mold, but you do need a slow rpm motor to turn these after you apply the epoxy (5 minutes) until it hardens. 2. Can you share the Namebrand and bottle size of the

   stuff you are using? I don’t recall the brand name, but they are standard size glue sticks. The fly shop also has a glue gun, and like everything else in a fly shop, it costs twice what the same thing costs in the hardware store. 3. what size hooks are you using 1/0-3/0??

For mother of glue flies for bonefish I use 4’s and 6’s 4. what do you use for Sacramento stripers?

I haven’t fished for them, but a lot of the Dan Blanton patterns are probably good. <<   John K. Woodling   < Sacramento, CA

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writes: 4. what do you use for Sacramento stripers? I haven’t fished for them, but a lot of the Dan Blanton patterns are probably good. <<   John K. Woodling   <

I’v had good luck with chartreuse patterns for clear water (like surf or fast moving tidal rivers) and yellow patterns for muddy water (like back bays). I noticed that blue and white also works in either environment, but I was using clousers, not deceivers. HighHooks-n-TightLines,       Jose

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Quoting jwoodling1 from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly     2. Can you share the Namebrand and bottle size of the     stuff you are using?     I don’t recall the brand name, but they are standard size glue sticks.     The fly shop also has a glue gun, and like everything else in a fly    shop, it costs twice what the same thing costs in the hardware store. This sounded like a great idea so I stopped by the arts & crafts store on the way home.  I picked up a low temp glue gun for $3.29 and a pack of 49 glue sticks in a variety of colors for $4.49.  Will give it a try this weekend. Jim in Southern California

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This sounded like a great idea so I stopped by the arts & crafts store on the way home.  I picked up a low temp glue gun for $3.29 and a pack of 49 glue sticks in a variety of colors for $4.49.  Will give it a try this weekend. Jim in Southern California

I wrote a short piece for American Angler back in 1986 or so, about using hot glue guns for fly tying. I still use them occasionally, for big flies (like some salt water flies). But there are drawbacks. The faster the hot glue hardens (higher melting temps) the stronger the glue is, and the harder it is to use, becuase the stuff sets up so fast. Low temperature glues are easier to work with, but the damn flies melt right in you fly box on a hot day. The only practicle solution is to use high temp glues, and learn how to work very fast.   Good hardware stores (the ones that cater to tradesmen) carry a variety of hot glue sticks, with faster and slower, hotter and cooler melting temperatures. Steer clear of "clear-colored" sticks. Clear hot glue sticks were developed for florists, for obvious reasons, but clear hot glue sticks have the lowest bonding strength. —

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: Quoting jwoodling1 from a message in rec.outdoors.fishing.fly :     2. Can you share the Namebrand and bottle size of the :     stuff you are using? :     I don’t recall the brand name, but they are standard size glue sticks. :     The fly shop also has a glue gun, and like everything else in a fly :    shop, it costs twice what the same thing costs in the hardware store. : This sounded like a great idea so I stopped by the arts & crafts store on the : way home.  I picked up a low temp glue gun for $3.29 and a pack of 49 glue : sticks in a variety of colors for $4.49.  Will give it a try this weekend. So did I.   Bryan : Jim in Southern California

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| |     fishing AND backpacking AND caving AND biking AND…oh well | I couldn’t have said it better myself, and, you beat me to it! Not only is it more and more difficult to find a  male fishing partner as we all (stretch) get on in years, but such a female companion is amost an oxymoron.  One of these days I would really like someone to prove me wrong on that point…nudge,

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| |     fishing AND backpacking AND caving AND biking AND…oh well | I couldn’t have said it better myself, and, you beat me to it! Not only is it more and more difficult to find a  male fishing partner as we all (stretch) get on in years, but such a female companion is amost an oxymoron.  One of these days I would really like someone to prove me wrong on that point…nudge, Believe me, we exist!

Peggy                             "A friend walks in when everyone                                    else walks out"

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|   | Believe me, we exist! |   | Peggy                             "A friend walks in when everyone |                                    else walks out"    At least my faith has been restored  Now, if I can just find y’all (must be looking in the wrong    places, or hell, maybe it’s just me!) and catch a few trout this weekend, life’ll be perfect!    On another note, anyone out there know anything about the fishing conditions on the Perquimans River    in eastern NC?  I was telling someone about this river (used to be GREAT fishing on it, especially in    creeks) but it’s been years since I’ve been there…Last time I was the grass was so dense it was    real hard to fish thru…It used to go in cycles, a few years full of duckweed, a few years of almost    no grass, then back to tons of seaweed…How is it these days?  I’d hate to recommend a place that’s    difficult to fish…                                                         — scott

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| |     fishing AND backpacking AND caving AND biking AND…oh well | I couldn’t have said it better myself, and, you beat me to it! Not only is it more and more difficult to find a  male fishing partner as we all (stretch) get on in years, but such a female companion is amost an oxymoron.  One of these days I would really like someone to prove me wrong on that point…nudge,

Never they are out there to be found!! My wife is an example she loves rock hunting, spelunking(caving), fishing , hunting , camping, everything I always wanted. Don’t give up they are there. —    Spike                                 "Life is fun enjoy while you can"                                           I enjoy short-term "Investing"!

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Hi, I’m female and I love to fish! I even put the worms, live bait, etc. on the hook, and I even take the fish off the hook     myself (except for if it has big teeth!).  I’d rather be fishing right now!   Carol

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| Hi, | | I’m female and I love to fish! I even put the worms, live bait, etc. on the hook, and I even take the fish off the hook     | myself (except for if it has big teeth!).  I’d rather be fishing right now!   |   | Carol    Damn, and I live in Virginia!!!  ;-)                                 — scott

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| That s rry on the bride and groom and the bass boat is nothing…. | Oops, typo….story that is…. | I proposed to my wife during a moose hunting trip in northern Quebec (she | said afterwards she’d want it no other way).  She allows me to spends huge | amounts of money for hunting/fishing gear, and usually outshoots me at | grouse hunting.  But fishing…..now that’s where she comes to life!  You | take her fishing in the surf and camp on the beach.  She’s up before dawn | and waits until it’s light enough to see, and only returns for lunch and | when it gets dark!  And that’s even if the water’s dirty and nothing’s | biting!  She just won’t quit!  When a shark started taking fish off my | stringer, she just moved away from me.  She busted a rod last year on a | sting ray.  She almost always outfishes me, and sometimes guys are out | there trying to see what colors of plastics she’s using BEFORE she starts | catching them.  She plans on trying a little fly fishing in the surf this | year.  The only time she’s tried it was in Vermont with me, when she ended | up taking a swim in February.  The mild case of hypothermia didn’t faze her | one bit.  If somebody is hardcore, she’s it.  It’s scary.  And it’s that’s | not enough, she’s "model-quality" beautiful, and finishing her last year | of her veterinary degree at LSU so she can earn far more than I do.  Why | she loves me I’ll never know   |       | Andre |     fishing AND backpacking AND caving AND biking AND…oh well     By the way, anyone from Va have any suggestions for what flies might work     this coming weekend, besides the ole standbys?  Going out Sunday and need     to replenish my flies (lost 1, broke 1 and 3 came unraveled last week)…     I saw what looked like a mayfly while I was hiking but I’m not sure…I     haven’t decided if I’m going to the Bullpasture or somewhere in the     Shenendoah…                                         — scott

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