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I’m relatively new to fly casting and have a question regarding casting technique.  When I transition from backcast to forecast I often hear the fly and line cracking (poping really) like a whip when the fly reverses direction to go forward.  Is this normal?  I suspect that I’m not letting the line straighten behind me before casting forward; therefore, it’s just like cracking a whip.  The problem with waiting though seems to be that the line doesn’t travel forward as far if I wait.  The problem with not waiting, I seem to be jerking the stuffing out of my flys.  Any thoughts?

Yes; what everybody else told you and this.   To get distance on the forward cast, you need to load the rod properly.   When your back cast straightens behind you (no big loops), start the forward cast a bit more slowly until the rod begins to load from the weight of the line, THEN apply all that power you’re using.   Don’t give it the full magilla all at once.   It should be a gradual acceleration, not a sharp increase to full power. Joe F.

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I’m relatively new to fly casting and have a question regarding casting technique.  When I transition from backcast to forecast I often hear the fly and line cracking (poping really) like a whip when the fly reverses direction to go forward.  Is this normal?  I suspect that I’m not letting the line straighten behind me before casting forward; therefore, it’s just like cracking a whip.  The problem with waiting though seems to be that the line doesn’t travel forward as far if I wait.  The problem with not waiting, I seem to be jerking the stuffing out of my flys.  Any thoughts?

Well, first, quit stuffing your fly – it’ll make the girls (or the boys, depending on your personal choices) think you silly – and that way, you’ll not jerk it out.  Hmm…that reminds me of Blazing Saddles – "pardon me while I whip this out…," and speaking of whipping…. …yup, "cracking the whip" is timing.  Turn your head and look over your shoulder at the fly – and for Pete’s (or really, the Canadian of your choice) sake, don’t use full-hook flies to practice – try using bright, puffy whiffs – and try beginning your forward cast when the fly begins to start into the loop’s roll.  I suspect your particular distance thing is timing-related, as well, due to timing because of <oh, lord, well, let’s just say it’s likely timing-related, but without more info and seeing you cast, I’ll make that guess and leave it at that.   Just stay with it, you’ll get it – practice, practice, and oh, BTW, practice. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Regards, Eric

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…. load… <oh lord  He said it!  He said it! <G TC, R Where’s that duck dropping from the lights?

Well, you’re a lovely couple and I think you should get married. Wolfgang somewhere in the viaduct

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…. load… <oh lord  He said it!  He said it! <G TC, R Where’s that duck dropping from the lights?

LOL.   In keeping with the oft-dispensed advice, I thought long and hard before hitting the send key on that one.   Thought I could slip it benignly past if I omitted all controversial adverbs. Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …. load… <oh lord  He said it!  He said it! <G TC, R Where’s that duck dropping from the lights? Well, you’re a lovely couple and I think you should get married.

Why would I wanna marry a duck, via whatever means…oh, you just want the film rights so you can sell the tape….on eBay…. TC, R fearing the ductile nature of threads…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wolfgang somewhere in the viaduct

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Via duck, vie not a turkey or a chicken? Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …. load… <oh lord  He said it!  He said it! <G TC, R Where’s that duck dropping from the lights? Well, you’re a lovely couple and I think you should get married. Wolfgang somewhere in the viaduct

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I’m relatively new to fly casting and have a question regarding casting technique.  When I transition from backcast to forecast I often hear the fly and line cracking (poping really) like a whip when the fly reverses direction to go forward.  Is this normal?

No It’s really hard to fix your problem by suggesting  possible solution with words alone.  You may want to rent a casting video from a local fly fishing shop.  If the line droops when you do try to let it completely unroll on the backcast, try aiming your backcast a little bit up and to the back and not just to the back.  HTH. Mu

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I’m relatively new to fly casting and have a question regarding casting technique.  When I transition from backcast to forecast I often hear the fly and line cracking (poping really) like a whip when the fly reverses direction to go forward.  Is this normal?  I suspect that I’m not letting the line straighten behind me before casting forward; therefore, it’s just like cracking a whip.  The problem with waiting though seems to be that the line doesn’t travel forward as far if I wait.  The problem with not waiting, I seem to be jerking the stuffing out of my flys.  Any thoughts? Regards, Eric

Eric: Something that helped me alot was waiting until I felt the rod "load up" on my back stroke. I also notice this is easier to feel with a "slower" rod. Just a thought. M. Wm.

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Casting next to big picture windows….the solar tinted kind that act like mirrors…can aid in watching how your line behaves while it’s behinds you. I’m just a not very sensitive guy. It seems like my hands take forever to learn something….I mean you should have seen the hook and weight contraption I had to build just to learn how to tie bloodknots.  Having acces to one of these type of windows helped me learn to cast (not that I can). Being able to see when I was supposed to be feeling my line assisted me in actually learning to feel it. john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m relatively new to fly casting and have a question regarding casting technique.  When I transition from backcast to forecast I often hear the fly and line cracking (poping really) like a whip when the fly reverses direction to go forward.  Is this normal?  I suspect that I’m not letting the line straighten behind me before casting forward; therefore, it’s just like cracking a whip.  The problem with waiting though seems to be that the line doesn’t travel forward as far if I wait.  The problem with not waiting, I seem to be jerking the stuffing out of my flys.  Any thoughts? Regards, Eric

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<oh lord  He said it!  He said it! <G TC, R Where’s that duck dropping from the lights? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Joe F.

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I’m relatively new to fly casting and have a question regarding casting technique.  When I transition from backcast to forecast I often hear the fly and line cracking (poping really) like a whip when the fly reverses direction to go forward.  Is this normal?  I suspect that I’m not letting the line straighten behind me before casting forward; therefore, it’s just like cracking a whip.  The problem with waiting though seems to be that the line doesn’t travel forward as far if I wait.  The problem with not waiting, I seem to be jerking the stuffing out of my flys.  Any thoughts? Regards, Eric

If the fly "cracks" when you commence your forward cast, this is a result of it breaking the sound barrier when it "goes around the bend". This will shred most flies very quickly indeed, if it does not break them off to start with. This is caused by you reversing direction, and applying forward motion to the fly, while it is still travelling backwards. The fault is indeed caused by starting the forward stroke too soon.  This is often compounded by allowing the rod to "drift" too far back, or indeed a power stroke which is too long. Too much power is also a cause of this fault. The remedy is to apply less power, stop your backast a little earlier, and wait for the line to straighten before commencing the forward stroke. Concentrate on throwing your backcast "up", instead of "back", and the fault will probably disappear.  Watching your back-cast will help here. When the line is straight out behind you, commence the forward stroke. When casting heavy flies, or greater distances, a "single haul" may be of considerable assistance. This is a pull on the line with the "line" hand, at the start of the forward stroke. TL MC

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I’m relatively new to fly casting and have a question regarding casting technique.  When I transition from backcast to forecast I often hear the fly and line cracking (poping really) like a whip when the fly reverses direction to go forward.  Is this normal?

It means MAXIMUM POWER!!!  I suspect that I’m not letting the line straighten behind me before casting forward; therefore, it’s just like cracking a whip.  The problem with waiting though seems to be that the line doesn’t travel forward as far if I wait.

Just kidding.  It’s bad.  You definitely need to wait.  Stick with it – maybe take a lesson – you will definitely be able to generate line speed other ways.   You’re not trying to cast like 80 feet, are you?

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  I’m relatively new to fly casting and have a question regarding casting technique.  When I transition from backcast to forecast I often hear the fly and line cracking (poping really) like a whip when the fly reverses direction to go forward.  Is this normal?  I suspect that I’m not letting the line straighten behind me before casting forward; therefore, it’s just like cracking a whip.  The problem with waiting though seems to be that the line doesn’t travel forward as far if I wait.  The problem with not waiting, I seem to be jerking the stuffing out of my flys.  Any thoughts?

It sounds like your analysis is correct.  This is not normal and you should try and let the line straighten out behind you.  Perhaps you can add a little haul on the  forward cast to get more distance if it is a problem. I haven’t seen you cast and I am not a "casting coach," other than to some of my friends I am trying to teach, so take my advice for what it is worth. You get what you pay for and all that. . . Perhaps some of the better casters will chime in with their opinions. — Warren Findley Remove (nospamZZ) to respond via email http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt/

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I’m relatively new to fly casting and have a question regarding casting technique.  When I transition from backcast to forecast I often hear the fly and line cracking (poping really) like a whip when the fly reverses direction to go forward.  Is this normal?  I suspect that I’m not letting the line straighten behind me before casting forward; therefore, it’s just like cracking a whip.  The problem with waiting though seems to be that the line doesn’t travel forward as far if I wait.  The problem with not waiting, I seem to be jerking the stuffing out of my flys.  Any thoughts? Regards, Eric

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I will be tying all weekend at the Midwest Fly Fishing Expo in Southfield, MI., March 11 and 12. I will be set up where the video equipment has always been.  I will be tying 5-6 each day using my macro-video system.  I have added a wonderful PA system so that all will be able to hear as well as see what I am doing.  I will be showing all of the Rivergod bugs as well as concentrating on tips, special techniques and durability.  Bring your questions.  All of the Rivergod dry flies will be available at The Fly Factory booth.  Hope to see you there.

WEB CAM! WEB CAM! SCREAMIN’ STREAMIN’ VIDEO!!!

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(AuSable1) writes: All of the Rivergod dry flies will be available at The Fly Factory booth. Hope to see you there.

Just out of curiosity, which flies at the *factory* are yours? or is this something new? Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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I will be tying all weekend at the Midwest Fly Fishing Expo in Southfield, MI., March 11 and 12. I will be set up where the video equipment has always been.  I will be tying 5-6 each day using my macro-video system.  I have added a wonderful PA system so that all will be able to hear as well as see what I am doing.  I will be showing all of the Rivergod bugs as well as concentrating on tips, special techniques and durability.  Bring your questions.  All of the Rivergod dry flies will be available at The Fly Factory booth.  Hope to see you there. Yippee Tie One On! Dennis Potter, Fly Crafter

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I will be tying all weekend at the Midwest Fly Fishing Expo in Southfield, MI., March 11 and 12. I will be set up where the video equipment has always been.  I will be tying 5-6 each day using my macro-video system.  I have added a wonderful PA system so that all will be able to hear as well as see what I am doing.  I will be showing all of the Rivergod bugs as well as concentrating on tips, special techniques and durability.  Bring your questions.  All of the Rivergod dry flies will be available at The Fly Factory booth.  Hope to see you there. Yippee Tie One On! Dennis Potter, Fly Crafter

_______  Sounds interesting enough to make me consider flying there and attending.  Thanks for the information Dennis. Mr. G. — http://www.gink.com/chat

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And who is Hairy Trout?

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Wolfgang,    It was a trade off for a well running Assembly Line.  Nothing upsets the tranquillity and the rods are constructed in a serene environment. Ernie Harrison Like to make fly-fishing stuff?  See: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No Glue Lines & Extraordinary Quality.  Assembly Line Running Very Well. Uh oh!!  No glue lines?  Seems to me I just read somewhere quite recently that visible glue lines are the very hallmark of quality.  What has happened to quality control?

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Wolfgang,    It was a trade off for a well running Assembly Line.  Nothing upsets the tranquillity and the rods are constructed in a serene environment.

Thanks for the reassurance Ernie.  Good to know that nothing is disturbing the Bastard’s Wa!

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And who is Hairy Trout?

I am the the new manager of the Bastard Bamboo Rod Company. When I returned here a few weeks ago we had the ability to produce rods. In the beginning George is making the very first few rods himself. My current responsibility is to insure that all of the equipment is running in a smooth order and to insure that machinery is producing quality items! Some of the equipment that is here  had a very limited purpose, i.e.. the ability to do only ones and twos. I am talking production here, I want the ability to deliver to the UPS driver at least 6 rods per day, eventually 8 to 10 rods per day. Monday a 12 segment stretching/straighting  rack was built. I feel this is a start,  plans are to add at least 12 to 24 slots to meet future demands. Today  all the parts to build a 16 rod segment rotating/drying rack to handle the  rod guide drying station where procured to meet production demands, now and into the future.  What’s next? I don’t know.  I ‘can" build it the need arises. Everyone around here is on their toes doing the  ’Boo Shuffle’ and several work station are now in a backlog of work in progress. That’s just the way I like seeing things happen. If I sound like George, believe me, this is not George. The mill is running so well that there are no glue lines. An occasional minor (minuscule)  glue line will be exceptable. The idea is to be able to fish a bamboo that is a quality fishing tool irreguadless of the minor cosmetics. Each rod is unique and different in surface character, and so, no two are "exactly" the same. There is no mistaking the fact that George is going against a tidal wave of differences of opinion.  He sees the beauty in bamboo and he is not hiding any of it.  What others think is ugly, he sees beauty.  Everyone will have to wait and see for themselves. The fishing quality will be there. How can a guy as ‘perfect’ as George, build a Bastard Bamboo?  Now I understand.  I see what he means when we leave ‘the character of China’ in the bamboo.  They are stunning. Doug Knight aka Hairy Trout Bastard Bamboo Manger. Snake River – Hell’s Canyon 110+ Degree bastard heat day, not much of a hatch this evening!

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Wolfgang,    It was a trade off for a well running Assembly Line.  Nothing upsets the tranquillity and the rods are constructed in a serene environment.

Ernie, George listens to Mozart, which requires extra coffee for me. On the other hand when he’s not in ear shot I jamming in the Goo goo Dolls or Radio Head. The elves here love the up beat tunes. Cap with two bills! Doug Knight Snake River

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Daytripper wrote A bit more seriously: George had noted that the tips on the first rod were way too soft for a 3-4. I’m wondering whether Dougie was fishing with a revised taper or not… /daytripper

‘Daytripper, Regardless of the taper, I was fishing Bamboo for the first time. The line I had on the rod was one line size to small for the first time. It was a line of an know quality as I inadvertently left the line that should have used back in Calif.. Now, ’soft’? Compared to what? Even under lined the rod would roll cast 30+ feet and  45+ total. The desired action was for a medium action. It was all of that. We did eventually find a  line to try and the rod felt perfect. The ideal is to find the perfect line for the rod, weight numbers irrespective. One brand might be better than another brand for a particular weight over another. We felt the true line weight could have been around 3.6 wt and and corrected our forms more closer to a true 4wt.  But what is the true 4 wt benchmark? Remember not to compare Bamboo against Graphite. I even wonder if the true line ratings are even relative, rod length and action, and a line weight that feels comfortable with both. Doug Knight Snake River

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No Glue Lines & Extraordinary Quality.  Assembly Line Running Very Well. Uh oh!!  No glue lines?  Seems to me I just read somewhere quite recently that visible glue lines are the very hallmark of quality.  What has happened to quality control?

LOL! Sounds like another Petard Hoisting in progress, eh? ;^) A bit more seriously: George had noted that the tips on the first rod were way too soft for a 3-4. I’m wondering whether Dougie was fishing with a revised taper or not… /daytripper

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Um, I wasn’t comparing anything – I was only relating what George has said about the first rod he cast being too soft in the tip, and wondering whether he’d gotten around to changing the taper yet or not… It sounds like he is indeed changing the taper. /daytripper – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Daytripper wrote A bit more seriously: George had noted that the tips on the first rod were way too soft for a 3-4. I’m wondering whether Dougie was fishing with a revised taper or not… Regardless of the taper, I was fishing Bamboo for the first time. The line I had on the rod was one line size to small for the first time. It was a line of an know quality as I inadvertently left the line that should have used back in Calif.. Now, ’soft’? Compared to what? Even under lined the rod would roll cast 30+ feet and  45+ total. The desired action was for a medium action. It was all of that. We did eventually find a  line to try and the rod felt perfect. The ideal is to find the perfect line for the rod, weight numbers irrespective. One brand might be better than another brand for a particular weight over another. We felt the true line weight could have been around 3.6 wt and and corrected our forms more closer to a true 4wt.  But what is the true 4 wt benchmark? Remember not to compare Bamboo against Graphite. I even wonder if the true line ratings are even relative, rod length and action, and a line weight that feels comfortable with both.

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What ? You mean that now they’re free  *AND* they last forever *AND* they cast exactly where you want them every time ? PERFECT ! — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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cast exactly where you want them every time ?< All my rods do.  Hell, almost every time I hit water!  <g

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From the looks of his post I would say it was George or his clone.  Perhaps George has a mold he puts his employees in and squeezes them till they come out just like him. Ernie. And who is Hairy Trout?

Hairy Trout wrote <sliced off a typical chunk of SPAM

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From the looks of his post I would say it was George or his clone.  Perhaps George has a mold he puts his employees in and squeezes them till they come out just like him. Ernie. And who is Hairy Trout? Hairy Trout wrote <sliced off a typical chunk of SPAM

Ernie, You must be hurt that that I have a professional relationship with him and I’m having fun to boot. Must be the fog you hang around in. In fact dear ole George has not been here for several weeks. George has been burning the candle pretty hard lately, try 12-14 hour days on average doing cane. Ernie if that was your best cast you missed the hatch. Doug Knight formerly Alameda Snake River

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After, so many years in both Payne shop and Leonard shop and having learned so much on Bamboo rods, I,m very much inclined that this myth on these rods that are been manufactured by you guys, could be?. It stands like this, lets see the finish product, let people that have knowledge and experience, with metal(reel seats) bamboo, tolerance, etc. etc.. All this could be possible. Lets see it. Thanks My best to George. Paul

+AD4-No Glue Lines +ACY- Extraordinary Quality.  Assembly Line Running Very Well. +AD4-

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No Glue Lines & Extraordinary Quality.  Assembly Line Running Very Well.

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No Glue Lines & Extraordinary Quality.  Assembly Line Running Very Well.

Uh oh!!  No glue lines?  Seems to me I just read somewhere quite recently that visible glue lines are the very hallmark of quality.  What has happened to quality control?

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I’ve caught an occasional golden at Kennedy Meadows, but you’d be better off heading farther north to Lone Pine and going up to the trailhead at Horseshoe Meadows or Cottonwood Creek. Either trailhead takes you to lots of streams with goldens (usually quite small). I noticed on the handouts from the Forest Service that Cottonwood Lakes are open to catch and release now. Another alternative is to go to Bishop and head up the trail from South Lake to Treasure Lakes (though three weeks ago there was still a lot of snow on the trail and ice on the higher lakes). There are goldens in the creek along the way, but the fish in Treasure Lakes are bigger. Try a Sierra bright dot on the ones in the creek. Any way you go, they’re worth the effort. Mark Kelly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thinking about heading to Kennedy Meadows for the first time.  Anyone have any advice on where the best fishing would be up in that area? I’ve been told that if you get above 10,000 ft., you have a shot at Goldens. Thanks ahead of time. Tom

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If you have a 4WD (absolutely required) I suggest Monachee meadows which is a few miles away from Kennedy Meadows.  There’s a trailhead at the upper end of the meadows.  Two years ago, we parked there and hiked in 5 miles for a couple of days of camping and fishing.  Caught lots of goldens. They’re not big, but they’re pretty. There’s been a lot of management by the Forest Service and DFG in that area over the past couple of years, so I’d consult with them before making plans.  Don’t just look at a topo map and make assumptions. —                                                       -dnc- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thinking about heading to Kennedy Meadows for the first time.  Anyone have any advice on where the best fishing would be up in that area? I’ve been told that if you get above 10,000 ft., you have a shot at Goldens. Thanks ahead of time. Tom

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The stream at Kennedy Meadows is a small one with 8" browns, rainbows and brookies.  You must go higher for goldens.  If you follow the stream down far enough it becomes a river and the trout are nice sized. — Ernie Harrison Remove NOSPAM to send E-Mail Selling my Fly Fishing Books Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thinking about heading to Kennedy Meadows for the first time.  Anyone have any advice on where the best fishing would be up in that area? I’ve been told that if you get above 10,000 ft., you have a shot at Goldens. Thanks ahead of time. Tom

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Thinking about heading to Kennedy Meadows for the first time.  Anyone have any advice on where the best fishing would be up in that area? I’ve been told that if you get above 10,000 ft., you have a shot at Goldens. Thanks ahead of time. Tom

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Thinking about heading to Kennedy Meadows for the first time.  Anyone have any advice on where the best fishing would be up in that area? I’ve been told that if you get above 10,000 ft., you have a shot at Goldens. Thanks ahead of time. Tom

I was just up there this weekend, that is the Kennedy Meadows up by Sonora Pass. The river is barely fishable in the morning and raging and a bit cloudy by the afternoons. The horse packers and trail crews still weren’t going up past Brown Bear Pass, about fifteen miles in, because of snow.  I was hoping to get to Emigrant lake and further but I cut short my plans and hiked to Lewis lakes, about ten miles in at around 9,000 feet and the two larger of the three were still frozen. These lakes have a ridge just to the west that might shade them a little bit, so it might be that others at the same elevation might be open, but I expect you’d find ice for sure if you hiked any higher. I was thinking it might be better to hike in from Cherry or Pinecrest areas for the lower elevation lakes nearer to those areas. These will have rainbows and brookies. The resort there at Kennedy Meadows has a $1.50 brochure which lists all the lakes, size, depth, elevation and what kind of trout, and a few of the highest ones have Goldens. I plan to try again at the end of August. Mark Vinsel www.vinsel.com

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will be in northwest territories, Nunavut, and will have opportunity to fly fish for char and what ever.  Any advice as to flies, techniques, equipment???

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will be in northwest territories, Nunavut, and will have opportunity to fly fish for char and what ever.  Any advice as to flies, techniques, equipment???

        Think I recall an article about a year or so ago by the "political" columist for one of the FF mags whose name is Ted Williams though, of course, he’s not the baseball guy. At any rate, he talked about fishing for arctic char, but I’ve forgotten what mag he writes for. Maybe someone here will tell us and then you can call them and get a copy of the issue with that article in it. As I recall it, it was a good article, and it struck me that they weren’t all that different from fishing for brookies, esp. as Williams said that contrary to what he had heard, they do indeed take flies off the surface. I’d think streamers would be your best bet for day-to-day fishing for these guys, maybe with a 6 or 7 wt so as to fight the wind? And you might want to take along a 4 or 5 wt if you are going somewhere with grayling, plus lots of dryflies for them. Other than that I suspect there’s lake trout in the inland lakes, and way up there I suspect you might get them on the surface during the right time of year. In fact I’ve seen lakers taking stuff off the surface right after ice-out in Canada, and heard of guys catching them that way, though I didn’t have my flyrod when I saw it and was catching them on spinners right below the surface though.         Good luck, and let us know how it goes. tgb

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I am new to fly fishing and plan to begin by fishing near some property I own in East Branch, NY.  I have the basics to begin (I think). Any suggestions on some good fishing sites in the area. I am just of exit 90 on Route 17. Thanks Jim

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What do mean East Branch , NY ?  Is it near the East Branch of the Delaware?  If it is you should be pretty happy.  Just don’t expect to catch too many fish too soon.  It is very technical(hard) fishing and the trout are used to their meals being served on a silver platter.  Yur fly and cast need to be near perfect.  Try Fish’s Eddy to start with . Gordon I am new to fly fishing and plan to begin by fishing near some property I own in East Branch, NY.  I have the basics to begin (I think). Any suggestions on some good fishing sites in the area. I am just of exit 90 on Route 17. Thanks Jim

– Flyfish NC http://www.planet-nc.com/flyfishnc/ Striped Bass on the Roanoke River, Hybrids on Jordan Lake, Largemouths on surface.  Pickup and dropoff in Research Triangle Park

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Looking for a few good crayfish fly patterns.

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Looking for a few good crayfish fly patterns.

Leasa:  Look for the Bob Clouser pattern, which works well for me – at least in Pennsylvania waters.  Sorry I don’t have a reference or description, but you could call his shop near Middletown, Pa. (outside of Harrisburg) and I’m sure he would provide a description and materials. Mark Faulkner

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Looking for a few good crayfish fly patterns.

I saw one last night in Kaufman’s "Fly Tyers Nymph Manual".  It’s a pattern by Dave Whitlock. -Burton

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Bob has Clouser Crayfish kits put together that have everything you need to tie them….directions, materials, hooks, and even a sample fly. If you don’t tie he will mail order them. Clouser’s Fly Shop 101 Ulrich St. Middletown, PA 17057 Ph (717)944-6451

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Hi Leasa-    Ya wanna catch fish or fishermen? Lots of realistic crayfish patterns out there, none work better than a wooly bugger; most don’t work as well.    -Ralph

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Try a LARGE Wooly Bugger in a bronze/brown with some copper Krystal Flash in the tail and some orange in the wing. Personally, I’ve tied and fished "imitative" Crayfish patterns with good luck in low light on REAL warm days (overcast) but they don’t seem to catch very much better.  Yes, they are tied "reverse" with the tail at the eye, and you weight the "front" of the fly, where the claws are so when you retrieve it, you raise the rod tip, strip line and allow it to fall sort of naturally. Larry #:)#

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"Leasa S. Tucker"  writes: Looking for a few good crayfish fly patterns.

Clouser’s crawdad has been my best underwater fly from Mar to Oct for the last 3 yrs.  I get them from Murray’s Fly Shop in Edinburg,VA. Working em close to a stump in fast water will pull out some beautiful fish…good luck-Joe

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The best crayfish patern I have ever seen is the Pheasant Tailed Crayfish. It was modified in 1988 by Bob Morenski and reworked. You can get the pattern from Mark Olinger, of Daktoa Flies or if you dont tie he can crank some. Deadly on Big Browns and Smallmouth Bass. You can find Mark’s address and stuff off the Lake Fly Fishing Pages. htttp://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm. This is one fly pattern that works! — Bob Sheedy Angling Adventures North Lake Fly Fishing On-Line Magazine Home of MASTER ANGLER Fishing Software http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm

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Looking for a few good crayfish fly patterns. Try a LARGE Wooly Bugger in a bronze/brown with some copper Krystal Flash in the tail and some orange in the wing.

I’m not sure at what point you start splitting hairs, but crayfish can vary widely in terms of color, and if they are a bright red, or tan, or green, or even have a bluish-black cast to them, a brown crayfish imitation probably wouldn’t have a great result. It’s just like fishing with dries, sometimes they’ll hit an Adams with abandon, other times your gray-olive flies are ignored in favor of the olive-gray numbers…<g Tight lines, TC Tom Chandler   "When in doubt, have two guys come through the door with guns."                                               –Raymond Chandler

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A General Practioner, a common Northwest steelhead fly is a good crayfish immitation, as is the wooly bugger.  The key is getting down on the bottom and giving the appropriate short quick strips and pauses. I think the larger trouts’ interest and line-snapping voraciousness for these things is in relation to their shell hardness.  Biologists please correct me but I have read that crawfish molt and are soft-shelled and delicious during full moons.   Hold onto that rod when you do this. Mark VInsel — http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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The local server was down for 10 days. Before then, there was some talk of creating  a separate newsgroup for fly tyers. How do we vote on this?

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The local server was down for 10 days. Before then, there was some talk of creating  a separate newsgroup for fly tyers. How do we vote on this?

Sir, How to vote: Your e-mail message should contain one and only one of the following statements: I vote YES on rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying                     or I vote NO on rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 utc, 10 Apr 1996 Hope this helps Tight lines Dave

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Just so you know, seminar fees are only $385; fishing and hunting portions of the trip are not deductible. With outfitters,lodges,speakers, materials to be paid, it is no more profitable than than any other legitimate business. Basically, it’s the same kind of deduction any business or profession can take for business-related expenses and available to just about anyone in any profession or business who qualifies. Requirements are tight -nobody is being taken advantage of.

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: Just so you know, seminar fees are only $385; fishing and hunting portions : of the trip are not deductible. With outfitters,lodges,speakers, : materials to be paid, it is no more profitable than than any other : legitimate business. Basically, it’s the same kind of deduction any : business or profession can take for business-related expenses and : available to just about anyone in any profession or business who : qualifies. Requirements are tight -nobody is being taken advantage of. Don’t try and doubletalk the good folks.  Travel and accomodations are tax deductible.  Fishing and hunting guide fees are probably not deductible.   (At least that is what a tax professional told me when I asked about some work related deducaitons.)  You didn’t address the objections raised about posting here.  Many of us would prefer blatant commercial posts with no content not be posted here. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Don’t try and doubletalk the good folks.  Travel and accomodations are tax deductible.  Fishing and hunting guide fees are probably not deductible. (At least that is what a tax professional told me when I asked about some work related deducaitons.)  You didn’t address the objections raised about posting here.  Many of us would prefer blatant commercial posts with no content not be posted here. –Rick

I agree with you regarding the posting of this sort of commercial add.   Regarding travel and accomodations:  these expenses are deductable only if the primary purpose for which they were incurred relates to the educational seminar.  In other words, one cannot take a one day seminar in Montana, followed by 4 days of fly fishing and then write off the all of the travel and expenses.  I believe most of this topic is covered in 26 CFR (Code of Federal Regulations) Sec. 1.162-5 Expenses for education. A few examples from 26 CFR Sec 1.162-5 are set forth below, enjoy:     "Example (1). A, a self-employed tax practitioner, decides to take     a 1-week course in new developments in taxation, which is offered     in City X, 500 miles away from his home.  His primary purpose in     going to X is to take the course, but he also takes a side trip to     City Y (50 miles from X) for 1 day, takes a sightseeing trip while     in X, and entertains some personal friends.  A’s transportation     expenses to City X and return to his home are deductible but his     transportation expenses to City Y are not deductible.  A’s expenses     for meals and lodging while away from home will be allocated     between his educational pursuits and his personal activities.     Those expenses which are entirely personal, such as sightseeing and     entertaining friends, are not deductible to any extent.       Example (2). The facts are the same as in example (1) except that     A’s primary purpose in going to City X is to take a vacation.  This     purpose is indicated by several factors, one of which is the fact     that he spends only 1 week attending the tax course and devotes 5     weeks entirely to personal activities.  None of A’s transportation     expenses are deductible and his expenses for meals and lodging     while away from home are not deductible to the extent attributable     to personal activities.  His expenses for meals and lodging     allocable to the week attending the tax course are, however,     deductible.       Example (3). B, a high school mathematics teacher in New York     City, in the summertime travels to a university in California in     order to take a mathematics course the expense of which is     deductible under this section.  B pursues only one-fourth of a full     course of study and the remainder of her time is devoted to     personal activities the expense of which is not deductible.  Absent     a showing by B of a substantial nonpersonal reason for taking the     course in the university in California, the trip is considered     taken primarily for personal reasons and the cost of traveling from     New York City to California and return would not be deductible.     However, one-fourth of the cost of B’s meals and lodging while     attending the university in California may be considered properly     allocable to deductible educational pursuits and, therefore, is     deductible." If you realy want to see the rest of this code section, let me know. Andy

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Andy What if you "attend" a meeting for 30 minutes each day and have the rest of the day off? Each day would be a training day! DB

Caveat;  I’m no tax attorney, but I’ll give my two cents. The regs require that the primary purpose of the travel, lodging, etc. be for the educational seminar before the costs can be deducted.  Were I the IRS agent (not an enviable position), I would have to conclude that the primary purpose of a trip composed of 30 mins of educational seminar per day, followed by as many hours as one can fit in the rest of the day for fishing, would be fishing not professional education. Accordingly, travel, lodging, etc. expenses would not be deductible.  Maybe you would be allowed to prorate the expense, however.  That is, deduct expense in proportion to time spent on legit pursuits.  Well, legit according to the IRS, anyway. Exactly how much time you must spend in seminars per dya to make all expenses deductible, I don’t know.  I imagine that would be evalauted on a case-by-case basis. Andy

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In mid October we’re headed from San Francisco up to fish the Olympic Peninsula and then on up to fish the Kispiox in upper BC.  I need a pair of hip boots, 5mm with lug soles (don’t wade deep any more so hippers should do fine).  Gear such as this are not available here in Hawaii. We’ll be going thru Portland.  Can anyone tell me where I can buy such an animal there, the address of the shop, and their phone number. Aloha, |Robert (aka: Bob) B. Graham – NINC-HON [retired]   Office: gone fishing  | |(Nerd-In-Chief Honolulu)                             Home: (808) 395-9360| |City & County of Honolulu         Prodigy: WTKW87A                       | I have a vice, that vice is fishing – time stops, I’m in a different world.

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Im sure you’ve heard it before- but Kaufmann’s streamborn is located in tigard (basically portland) at 8861 SW Commercial in tigard- Just a little ways off of I 5. You can call (503) 639-6400 for more info and directions. Id really reccomend Kaufmann’s – im sure theyll have whatever you need. tight lines -matt petkun

: In mid October we’re headed from San Francisco up to fish the Olympic : Peninsula and then on up to fish the Kispiox in upper BC.  I need a pair : of hip boots, 5mm with lug soles (don’t wade deep any more so hippers : should do fine).  Gear such as this are not available here in Hawaii. : We’ll be going thru Portland.  Can anyone tell me where I can buy such an : animal there, the address of the shop, and their phone number. : Aloha, : |Robert (aka: Bob) B. Graham – NINC-HON [retired]   Office: gone fishing  | : |(Nerd-In-Chief Honolulu)                             Home: (808) 395-9360| : |City & County of Honolulu         Prodigy: WTKW87A                       | : I have a vice, that vice is fishing – time stops, I’m in a different world.

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Bob, I’m going to have to disagree with Mary. Kaufmann’s does not carry hip waders. (They believe them dangerous and/or undesireable). If you are just looking for a place during a layover, then grab a cab and go to GI Joe’s at Jantzen Beach. Any cabbie should know where that is. Actually, I would suggest GI Joe’s even if it will be an extended stay. I might suggest getting felt sole waders, though. The rocks in shallow water are the most slippery, usually. Sean Williams Student, Teacher, Angler Portland, Ore., USA

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You can also check with the Larry’s Sporting Goods in Oregon City or in Gresham.  There is also a GI Joes and another Larry’s Sporting Goods in Gresham, plus one more GI Joes in the Rockwood area (somewhere around 182nd and Burnside) in Portland.  That is presuming they are all still open, it’s been 8 years since I lived in the area. Do you really want 5 mil neoprene hippers?  They’re real warm.  Also, keep in mind that if you are trying to be stealthy around trout or steelhead you can’t kneel down with hippers as they will fill up even in shallow water.                                                                   Dan Dan Gracia Schools Coordinator Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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