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The point is that when I type a string of ASCII characters, I expected (up until now) that my recipients would see that string of ASCII characters (font differences notwithstanding), and not some browser developer’s interpretation of it. Is it even possible to type accurately the character string "colon, hyphen, closing parenthesis" without the newfangled browser defaults converting it to a grinning jack-o-lantern?

Errr, you’re missing the big picture.  The display of emoticons as graphics is in *your* software.  Us text-only types still see them as the text they are (well, to be more accurate for the literal minded, as the standard text representation of the bit patterns they are).  You don’t send big yellow smileys, you only see them.  If you turn off the setting Willi mentioned, you will then see the same reality we all do. –Stan

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Errr, you’re missing the big picture.  The display of emoticons as graphics is in *your* software.  Us text-only types still see them as the text they are (well, to be more accurate for the literal minded, as the standard text representation of the bit patterns they are).  You don’t send big yellow smileys, you only see them.  If you turn off the setting Willi mentioned, you will then see the same reality we all do.

Stupid me! Of course! Why didn’t I see that the first time?! Thanks for clearing that up, Stan! — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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<SNIP Errr, you’re missing the big picture.  The display of emoticons as graphics is in *your* software.  Us text-only types still see them as the text they are (well, to be more accurate for the literal minded, as the standard text representation of the bit patterns they are).  You don’t send big yellow smileys, you only see them.  If you turn off the setting Willi mentioned, you will then see the same reality we all do. –Stan

"A big yellow smiley, came and confused my old man". TL MC

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When we had our discussion about "whining", I did a search and found a couple groups that also used "whining" in the same way you do. (I disagree with them too!)

Makes the score 3 to 1. This is turning out to be a good day after all What was interesting to me is that they had the same attitude toward the use of emoticons as they did to whining.

Will you be handing down *your* unique pronouncement on that issue in the near future, or do we have to use our imagination? /daytripper (This is getting…a bit weird….)

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[artwork snipped] Looks like Betty Boop after a shark attack…

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[artwork snipped] Looks like Betty Boop after a shark attack…

Naw, she was probably just….changed… ) …hmm…I wonder what rw’s program will do with this

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Gee what happen went from a nice trip report to slamming smilies go figure only on ROFF                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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After recently upgrading my browser I noticed something right away. Smileys no longer appear as strings of ASCII symbols. They appear as bright yellow images of maniacally smiling or frowning smiley creatures. They STAND OUT! This is a dramatic change. I’ve always thought of smileys as cover-your-ass devices — protection from literal-minded pedants with no sense of humor, but otherwise harmless cliches that all reasonable people ignored. Now they’re in my face. Two or three of the new, improved smileys distract from the actual content of the post.

Tough nuggies, just ‘cuz you’ve gone over to the Dark Mozilla Side I ain’t throwing away my winky dudes! /daytripper (Fix it or get over it! )

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You can change them back to ASCII ynder preferences/mail and newsgroups/message display.

Sure, but them I’ll have to get everyone else to change them, too. The point is that when I type a string of ASCII characters, I expected (up until now) that my recipients would see that string of ASCII characters (font differences notwithstanding), and not some browser developer’s interpretation of it. Is it even possible to type accurately the character string "colon, hyphen, closing parenthesis" without the newfangled browser defaults converting it to a grinning jack-o-lantern? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Tough nuggies, just ‘cuz you’ve gone over to the Dark Mozilla Side I ain’t throwing away my winky dudes! /daytripper (Fix it or get over it! )

When we had our discussion about "whining", I did a search and found a couple groups that also used "whining" in the same way you do. (I disagree with them too!) What was interesting to me is that they had the same attitude toward the use of emoticons as they did to whining. Willi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After recently upgrading my browser I noticed something right away. Smileys no longer appear as strings of ASCII symbols. They appear as bright yellow images of maniacally smiling or frowning smiley creatures. They STAND OUT! This is a dramatic change. I’ve always thought of smileys as cover-your-ass devices — protection from literal-minded pedants with no sense of humor, but otherwise harmless cliches that all reasonable people ignored. Now they’re in my face. Two or three of the new, improved smileys distract from the actual content of the post. Tough nuggies, just ‘cuz you’ve gone over to the Dark Mozilla Side I ain’t throwing away my winky dudes! /daytripper (Fix it or get over it! )

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After recently upgrading my browser I noticed something right away. Smileys no longer appear as strings of ASCII symbols. They appear as bright yellow images of maniacally smiling or frowning smiley creatures. They STAND OUT! This is a dramatic change. I’ve always thought of smileys as cover-your-ass devices — protection from literal-minded pedants with no sense of humor, but otherwise harmless cliches that all reasonable people ignored. Now they’re in my face. Two or three of the new, improved smileys distract from the actual content of the post. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After recently upgrading my browser I noticed something right away. Smileys no longer appear as strings of ASCII symbols. They appear as bright yellow images of maniacally smiling or frowning smiley creatures. They STAND OUT! This is a dramatic change. I’ve always thought of smileys as cover-your-ass devices — protection from literal-minded pedants with no sense of humor, but otherwise harmless cliches that all reasonable people ignored. Now they’re in my face. Two or three of the new, improved smileys distract from the actual content of the post.

You can change them back to ASCII ynder preferences/mail and newsgroups/message display. Willi

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        Had a *real* need to fish today.  So, I decided to swing up the valley and hit the river just below the Upper Souris refuge dam.  Had heard some of the small panfish were hitting. Sounded like just what the doctor ordered.         Now is where the folly starts — I have an 8′ 4 wt. in the car for when the urge to sneak off hits.  Listen to the weather report, and they say wind gusting to 30 mph.  Oh well, I figure, I can perhaps set up on a sheltered section, out of the wind, and still be able to cast in a halfways alright manner.  Get out of the car and string up.  Wind is channeling quite efficiently down the river.  Walk to the bank anyhow, and proceed to flail away…         Ugh.  Head is not screwed on straight.  Attempt to muscle the 4 wt.  Leader system is also too long, and can’t even turn the weighted #10 scud over with a roll cast.   Situation heading downhill rapidly.  Pick up and head to the small fishing pier to attempt to jig the scud from on high.  This works, after a fashion, unless one is exposed to the wind or a gust comes along and lifts the whole assembly out of the water, to hover several feet above it.         Decide to proceed upstream to a point area where I think I can cast downwind.  Oh yeah, the forward cast is downwind, but backcasts are problematic.  Gusts collapse the loop going back.  Wind dies a bit, and I proceed to muscle the thing again.  Not paying a lot of attention to my backcast either.  Can feel the line almost straightening behind me, and give it a quick snap forward, just as a gust kicks up.         Snap is the operative phrase, as I hear the line crack behind me.  Line goes forward and falls nicely on the water, but I figure the scud went flying when I cracked the whip.  Strip in, and find that not only is the scud gone, but the leader, braided loop, and about 6-8" of my fly line as well.         Reel up in disgust with myself.  As I’m packing the rod back up, hear something across the bank from me, and see a nice whitetail buck looking at me.  He gives a snort and bounds off into the thick brush.  Sit down on the bank and look around.  See a female Bittern fishing down the far bank.  She has no luck either, and flies off.  Look upstream and see a Pellican floating my way. Watch it sail on by.    None of the preceeding folly seems to matter all that much.  Would be quite content to sit there for awhile, just taking it all in.  See a small fish take something off the top with a splashing rise.  Think it was a perch, but it really doesn’t matter.  Life is good when one is on the water.  Unfortunately, it was time for me to head back home.         Fixed the business end of my fly line when I got home, and am ready to go again.  Forecast says much less wind tomorrow, so perhaps I will head back in the afternoon for awhile.  Lots of grasshoppers about.  If the wind will allow me to unleash the 4 wt. again, I might try some dry fly fishing with a suitable hopper tie.  Will throw the 7 wt. in the car in case the breeze is too stiff.  And if it’s blowing a gale again, I might just sit on the bank and watch the world go by. Todd

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John, that’s an inspiration to aspiring Grandads throughout ROFF. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Grandma and I had #1 and #2 grandsons this afternoon fishing Foothill Lake in Palo Alto.  #2 is two years old and, with Grandma, was tossing his Snoopy rod and reel with the practice casting plug everywhere, sometimes in the water <g!  #1 is 8 years old and ALWAYS catches more fish with Dad than with Grandpa <g!  #1 was tossing Powerbait, worms and marshmallows all over the lake with no luck but he was doing a good job.  Late in the day, the following occurred: He:  Look at that guy on the dock, Grandpa.  What is he fishing with? Me: A fly rod. He:  Isn’t that what you fish with? Me: Yes. He:  That looks like fun.  (Heart twinges) Me:  It is. He:  It looks hard. Me:  Well, it takes training.  Like bicycle riding or a skate board. He:  They’re easy, Grandpa. What’s he doing now? Me:  Stripping a fly imitating a minnow. He:  That looks like lots of fun (Heart Jumps). Me:  It is. He:  Would you show me how?  (BE STILL MY HEART) Me:  OK, whenever you want too. He:  Takes spin outfit, sits on rock and watches caster roll casting, double hauling and practicing long beautiful casts for good 5 minutes <WOW. She:  (Watching #1 watching fly caster) to me:  BE STILL MY HEART. Me:  OK Bud, it’s time to go. He:  Grandpa, will you teach me how to fly fish? HEART IN MY THROAT!!! Me:  Too choked up to say anything but SURE – Who’s Hungry? He:  Later he said:  "Mom Grandpa is going to show me how to fly fish!" She:  (Rolls eyes) Oh, he IS is he?  to me "How did you arrange that?" Me:  It’s in the genes <g!

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<snip A most delightful post, John. And a great lesson to one who pushed too hard to get my kids to embrace my sport.  Ah!!! But when the grandchildren come along. Patience, patience and patience. Perhaps.<G Thanks Kiyu

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You are indeed a lucky fellow.  Great post.  Looking forward to hearing how he progresses.  If only every 8 year old was as lucky …. Cheers and TLs. Natty

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Grandma and I had #1 and #2 grandsons this afternoon fishing Foothill Lake in Palo Alto.  #2 is two years old and, with Grandma, was tossing his Snoopy rod and reel with the practice casting plug everywhere, sometimes in the water <g!  #1 is 8 years old and ALWAYS catches more fish with Dad than with Grandpa <g!  #1 was tossing Powerbait, worms and marshmallows all over the lake with no luck but he was doing a good job.  Late in the day, the following occurred: He:  Look at that guy on the dock, Grandpa.  What is he fishing with? Me: A fly rod. He:  Isn’t that what you fish with? Me: Yes. He:  That looks like fun.  (Heart twinges) Me:  It is. He:  It looks hard. Me:  Well, it takes training.  Like bicycle riding or a skate board. He:  They’re easy, Grandpa. What’s he doing now? Me:  Stripping a fly imitating a minnow. He:  That looks like lots of fun (Heart Jumps). Me:  It is. He:  Would you show me how?  (BE STILL MY HEART) Me:  OK, whenever you want too. He:  Takes spin outfit, sits on rock and watches caster roll casting, double hauling and practicing long beautiful casts for good 5 minutes <WOW. She:  (Watching #1 watching fly caster) to me:  BE STILL MY HEART. Me:  OK Bud, it’s time to go. He:  Grandpa, will you teach me how to fly fish? HEART IN MY THROAT!!! Me:  Too choked up to say anything but SURE – Who’s Hungry? He:  Later he said:  "Mom Grandpa is going to show me how to fly fish!" She:  (Rolls eyes) Oh, he IS is he?  to me "How did you arrange that?" Me:  It’s in the genes <g!

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Thanks, that story ruled!  Perhaps you should start shopping for 6 ft fly rods <g Best of luck and congratulations, — Warren Findley

It might be easier for him to learn with an 8 foot rod. About fifteen years ago a friend and I started his eight year old son with my 8 foot 6 weight Cortland. He still uses that rod. I will look forward to meeting him at Flyfish 2002 next year. Big Dale

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<snipped story of Grandson Thanks, that story ruled!  Perhaps you should start shopping for 6 ft fly rods <g Best of luck and congratulations, — Warren Findley

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I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns. I seem to be betting the same hook set, but 90% of the fish are long line released and I see nothing wrong with what I am doing. Any Ideas??

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I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns. I seem to be betting the same hook set, but 90% of the fish are long line released and I see nothing wrong with what I am doing. Any Ideas??

Just do more of the same Mike.  If you’re losing fish, you have been letting slack get in the line and when they jump, you’re not bowing to the fish.  Chances are you’re stripping in real fast to get the slack out but you must have too much slack laying on the ground.  Try fishing with less slack and get on the reel ASAP would be my advice.   Another thing you must remember is "which side of the fishes mouth" are you hooked up in?  You hook up with the fish FACING the current.  When they are fighting and turn away from the current, you need to go easy. Only pull harder when they are facing the current and the hook is on your side of the jaw. Hope this helps Mike, — MrG/American Sportsman "the saga continues"

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Keep a tight line! Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns. I seem to be betting the same hook set, but 90% of the fish are long line released and I see nothing wrong with what I am doing. Any Ideas??

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Don’t feel like the lone ranger! I had the same problem day before yesterday on the Conejos River in south central Colorado. Great fly fishing with 12 to 18 inch browns and some larger that I lost either with the  long line release (I like that) or a few cases of snap the 6X tippet. It was great fun nonetheless! Damn, now I’m back in Dallas… Graham – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns. I seem to be betting the same hook set, but 90% of the fish are long line released and I see nothing wrong with what I am doing. Any Ideas??

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I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns. I seem to be betting the same hook set, but 90% of the fish are long line released and I see nothing wrong with what I am doing. Any Ideas??

I have days like that.  Other days, it doesn’t happen.  Could be any number of things going on.  Smaller hooks are made of thinner wire which necessarily equates with sharper hooks…..large hooks are more likely to fail to penetrate deeply.  Some days fish are more sluggish; others, more active.  A lot of line in or on the water is more difficult to control.  A long or light tippet stretches more.  There are a host of other factors which might come into play.  At any rate, barbless hooks suggest you are planning to release them anyway, no?  A little earlier is better than a little later for the fish.

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I have been an avid, die hard fly fisherman for many years now, and now my three sons are also addicted to the sport. I recently decided to try using barbless hooks on some of my mini leech and damselfly patterns.

Is there a chance that in your anticipation of having to keep the pressure on the hook that you are setting up too quickly and not getting solid hookups? I’ve been crushing the barbs off my hooks for years now and it seems like at first, when I was concerned about the hook staying in place, that I may have done just that. It doesn’t seem to be a problem anymore. Flyfish

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Mr. G. made some great points.  Like FlyFish, I’ve been using barbless hooks or flattening barbs for a few years now and when I lose a fish most times it’s due to having too much line on the water and not getting the fish on the real quickly enough. GL…and tight lines! Natty

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BTW Dave you have obviously forgotten the true king of sportfish the steelhead. I’ll take their tail walking antics and consecutive 100 yard screaming runs anyday Stevo the braggart Have you hooked a chinook?

Yup, up to 45 lbs. (unfortunately I have yet to get a real big one), but they rarely break the surface, preferring to sulk deep and do their running near the bottom. Unbelievable power though. Of  the species I’ve caught ( I admit to being an Atlantic virgin), steelhead are the most unpredictable, one second they are sulking deep, the next the line is slack and they are doing five or six consecutive jumps and then off for another long run right on the surface. unbelievable! Stevo the experienced (yah right)

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Now why would those in the east want to stock those damn silly, wimp western salmon that only procreate once then leave their rotting, stinking carcasses in the water, when they have their own robust salmon that can procreate many times? Chris Richer (east of the flat spot) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW Dave, being a naive westerner (we don’t get out much) which landlocked "introduced from the great waters of British Columbia" species are we talking about? Stevo the wanderer (NOT) <g Dave L.

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Steve Cooper: <<BTW Dave, being a naive westerner (we don’t get out much) which landlocked "introduced from the great waters of British Columbia" species are we talking about? Ouananiche.  The Atlantic Salmon that is land-locked.  It’s also known as the Lake Salmon.  The largest I have caught was about 7 pounds, but I have heard of much bigger fish, especially in Labrador and Quebec.  It didn’t come from BC either.  <g Dave LaCourse

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Yup, up to 45 lbs. (unfortunately I have yet to get a real big one), but they rarely break the surface, preferring to sulk deep and do their running near the bottom. Unbelievable power though.

I’ve seen plenty of hooked chinook jump & splash.  Saw a 20+ lber come about 3 feet out of the water last Thursday on the Pere Marquette in Michigan.  Maybe the fish here are different.  They tend to darken up really quick.  I’ve seen lots of photos of silver fish caught out of western rivers. Mu

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Ouananiche.  The Atlantic Salmon that is land-locked.  It’s also known as the Lake Salmon.  The largest I have caught was about 7 pounds, but I have heard of much bigger fish, especially in Labrador and Quebec.  It didn’t come from BC either.  <g

Is that the Sebago Lake strain?  Also, what’s a Sunapee? Mu

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Mu Young: <<Is that the Sebago Lake strain?  Also, what’s a Sunapee? No.  Not coming out of lakes/rivers in Labrador! I believe the Sunapee is actually a land-locked Arctic Char (Salvelinus alpinus).  It’s called the Blueback Trout in some Maine waters. Dave

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Yup, up to 45 lbs. (unfortunately I have yet to get a real big one), but they rarely break the surface, preferring to sulk deep and do their running near the bottom. Unbelievable power though. I’ve seen plenty of hooked chinook jump & splash.  Saw a 20+ lber come about 3 feet out of the water last Thursday on the Pere Marquette in Michigan.  Maybe the fish here are different.  They tend to darken up really quick.  I’ve seen lots of photos of silver fish caught out of western rivers. Mu

  That’s only because its alot easier to jump out of your waters and tailwalk, being so full of chemicals and all <g…. Hey look on the bright side another 10 years or so and you won’t even need a boat to go fishing on the "lakes" "lake michigan…..too thick to drink, too thin to plow" Stevo the troller

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Steve Cooper: <<BTW Dave, being a naive westerner (we don’t get out much) which landlocked "introduced from the great waters of British Columbia" species are we talking about? Ouananiche.  The Atlantic Salmon that is land-locked.  It’s also known as the Lake Salmon.

Oh you mean those big trout (genus Salmo) The largest I have caught was about 7 pounds, but I have heard of much bigger fish, especially in Labrador and Quebec.  It didn’t come from BC either.  <g Dave LaCourse

  Cheers

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Steve Cooper: <<Oh you mean those big trout (genus Salmo) Yep!  One and the same.  <g

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Steve Cooper: <<Oh you mean those big trout (genus Salmo) Yep!  One and the same.  <g

Ah hell before you know it I’ll be able to catch those on the West coast as well. Just let our salmon farms screw up and have a few more large escapements like the 30,000 yearlings that just escaped a Port McNiel farm, or the 60,000 smolts involuntarily released in Washington’s Puget Sound, and we may have to beat these things off our lines just to get at a good natural wild salmon.

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BTW Dave you have obviously forgotten the true king of sportfish the steelhead. I’ll take their tail walking antics and consecutive 100 yard screaming runs anyday Stevo the braggart

Have you hooked a chinook? Ian Scott http://flyfishing.about.com/

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Have you hooked a chinook?

No, but I did once know a guy who tried to drown a brown, get nookie brom a brookie, and pass a bass!

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I did’nt forget them.  It was about Atlantic salmon, "King of the Sportfish".  I agree about steelies.  They are one of the best (of course)! Land locked salmon are also right up there.  Although they don’t get too big in Maine, they are a ball to watch tail walking. (I hope this doesn’t start a thread:  *MY* fish is better’n your fish!

But,… but,… but…. my fish IS better than your fish…… and my dad can so nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah nyah. BTW Dave, being a naive westerner (we don’t get out much) which landlocked "introduced from the great waters of British Columbia" species are we talking about? Stevo the wanderer (NOT) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <g Dave L.

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Sheldonn Michael Pardy writes: <<If anyone wants some real flyfishing fun, come to Newfoundland, and go for some of our Atlantic salmon. These fish have a lot of fight, and I once had one fighting for one and a half hours. 10 whopping pounds!!! That beats bass any day. Uhhhhhh, you fought a 10 pound fish for 1 1/2 hours?  What ever happened to the old rule of a pound a minute?  I realize Atlantic Salmon are the fighters of all time, but an hour and a half.  Seems exceedingly long, sir.  I will agree about the bass, however. Dave L.

 Dave Not just exceedingly long, but lethal as well. Although Atlantics are well known for both their fighting prowess and tenacity towards survival, this fish if released was probably dead shortly thereafter. The lactic acid buildup in the muscular tissues (remember that salmonids are basically on BIG muscle) would likely have been lethal. Nothing to be particularly of, Sheldon. BTW Dave you have obviously forgotten the true king of sportfish the steelhead. I’ll take their tail walking antics and consecutive 100 yard screaming runs anyday Stevo the braggart

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1.5 hours? You are full of shit. Next time you take an assignment as a flack, learn how to lie creditably. Dave

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Steve Cooper: <<BTW Dave you have obviously forgotten the true king of sportfish the steelhead. I’ll take their tail walking antics and consecutive 100 yard screaming runs anyday I did’nt forget them.  It was about Atlantic salmon, "King of the Sportfish".  I agree about steelies.  They are one of the best (of course)! Land locked salmon are also right up there.  Although they don’t get too big in Maine, they are a ball to watch tail walking.   (I hope this doesn’t start a thread:  *MY* fish is better’n your fish! <g Dave L.

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David Snedeker, the scribe, writes: <<1.5 hours? You are full of shit. Next time you take an assignment as a flack, learn how to lie creditably. ROFL.  Don’t mix your words, David.  Tell the fool *exactly* what you think of him.  That’s what I love about you, David; you are about as subtle as a nuclear weapon.  <g Dave L. (the calm Dave)  d;0)

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One and a half hours to land a ten pound fish???  I think, perhaps, that you need a bit heavier outfit.  If you want to be in a position to release salmon and steelhead in some degree of health, you have to get them in and released in a lot less time.  I suspect that your ten pound Atlantic Salmon was one that you kept.  If not, I doubt if he lived very long after being released. Barry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If anyone wants some real flyfishing fun, come to Newfoundland, and go for some of our Atlantic salmon. These fish have a lot of fight, and I once had one fighting for one and a half hours. 10 whopping pounds!!! That beats bass any day.

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        If anyone wants some real flyfishing fun, come to Newfoundland, and go for some of our Atlantic salmon. These fish have a lot of fight, and I once had one fighting for one and a half hours. 10 whopping pounds!!! That beats bass any day.

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Sheldon, Sounds like fun. When is the best time to go? Bob Elliott, Rochester, NY – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If anyone wants some real flyfishing fun, come to Newfoundland, and go for some of our Atlantic salmon. These fish have a lot of fight, and I once had one fighting for one and a half hours. 10 whopping pounds!!! That beats bass any day.

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        If anyone wants some real flyfishing fun, come to Newfoundland, and go for some of our Atlantic salmon. …

I’d love to. When the provincial government repeals those pernicious guide laws I’ll drop a dime in Newfoundland and Labrador too. Until then, I won’t fish there. — Ken Fortenberry Illini 3 – Tar Heels 1

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Hey, Something fishy here.  If you took that long to land a little 10 pounder, you were abusing the fish and probably harming its chances of survival (assuming that you released it). Regards, Yuji Sakuma – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         If anyone wants some real flyfishing fun, come to Newfoundland, and go for some of our Atlantic salmon. These fish have a lot of fight, and I once had one fighting for one and a half hours. 10 whopping pounds!!! That beats bass any day.

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Sheldonn Michael Pardy writes:

<<If anyone wants some real flyfishing fun, come to Newfoundland, and go for some of our Atlantic salmon. These fish have a lot of fight, and I once had one fighting for one and a half hours. 10 whopping pounds!!! That beats bass any day. Uhhhhhh, you fought a 10 pound fish for 1 1/2 hours?  What ever happened to the old rule of a pound a minute?  I realize Atlantic Salmon are the fighters of all time, but an hour and a half.  Seems exceedingly long, sir.  I will agree about the bass, however. Dave L.

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<a bunch of stuff he should have proof read first!!!!! Not just exceedingly long, but lethal as well. Although Atlantics are well known for both their fighting prowess and tenacity towards survival, this fish if released was probably dead shortly thereafter. The lactic acid buildup in the muscular tissues (remember that salmonids are basically on

<<<that should be ONE not on BIG muscle) would likely have been lethal. Nothing to be particularly of, Sheldon.

That should be "not particularly PROUD of, Sheldon" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW Dave you have obviously forgotten the true king of sportfish the steelhead. I’ll take their tail walking antics and consecutive 100 yard screaming runs anyday Stevo the braggart

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Can anyone give me some tips about fishing the runoff. The rivers up here (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) are pretty murky and fast from the recent rains and snow melt.  I headed out to the Elbow River at the weekend but got nothing. Tried black/olive wooly buggers (to me they looked just like the rest of the debris floating by), GRHE’s and Blace Dace streamers. Not even a nibble. I tied some white and red crystal streamers tonight and may give them a go. I’m thinking that maybe something white will be more visible through the murk. Any and all advice gratefully recieved KB

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In high murky river waters IMHO the best thing you cano do is keep moving and fish the margins.  The fish do not want to expend more energy than they can get from a meal.  The fast water causes them to expend too much energy so they snuggle up to obtructions – boulders, river bends, undercut banks, sand bars, downed logs.  They usually won’t move far so you have to practically hit them in the nose with the fly.  The good news is stealth is usually not an issue since their ability to perceive in murky water is limited.  I have found had some good success with large terrestrial insect patterns in high murky, summer water. Grasshoppers, beetles, bees, or imitations of large aquatics such as Royal Coachman, Humpies, Goddard Caddis and Elk Hair Caddis, fished dry, have produced some great days when the water seemed just too high, too fast, and too colored. As far as nymphs are concerned, high water dislodges tons of the suckers.  I believe the best patterns to use in these water conditions are suggestive of life, rather than exact imitations.  A furry Hare’s Ear, Beadhead Prince, and Weighted Stonefly are three of my favorites. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can anyone give me some tips about fishing the runoff. The rivers up here (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) are pretty murky and fast from the recent rains and snow melt.  I headed out to the Elbow River at the weekend but got nothing. Tried black/olive wooly buggers (to me they looked just like the rest of the debris floating by), GRHE’s and Blace Dace streamers. Not even a nibble. I tied some white and red crystal streamers tonight and may give them a go. I’m thinking that maybe something white will be more visible through the murk. Any and all advice gratefully recieved KB

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Don’t piss off a lawyer true….make a pile of at least 4 or 5 of them first. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

        et tu, brute? wayno, learning to lighten up – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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You guys have more patience with assholes than I have.  I simply filter out his name from the news group.  Then the only problem I have is the band width you give him.  If it continues I filter out the "subject.name".

Yup – that’s my next step. I’d hoped that it wouldn’t come to that – as we all know how tangential threads run around here – and I might miss something good by flushing by threads ;^) Perhaps we should have a standard message that explains the rules of etiquette to them.  If they don’t take that advice then a moderator will simply write a message to filter that persons name.  All who agree will filter it and all who disagree won’t.  The moderator will add the "subject name" of any future posts which deal with the asshole and send it out for filtering

Nope – that won’t fly. First, who wants to be "moderator" of this group? (not me, that’s fer damn sure) Second, it’d be a thankless job – fraught with second-guessing (surely a "damned if you do/damned if you don’t" function). Beyond that, the group is full of people that are using various newsreaders that don’t provide filtering (includes most of MickeySoft’s newsreaders, older versions of Netscape, and whatever it is that AOL forces on its clients). The easiest thing to do for those who use readers sans filtering abilities is to manually SET MODE IGNORE. /daytripper

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  The olive branch is certainly appreciated.  If you read my post to Mr. G and Mr. Connor, I think you’ll see that I recognize the same phenomenon you do.  Furthermore, one of the problems of electronic communications is that participants are not able to actually see how one speaks his words, unable to interpret the non-verbal communication that accompanies pure language. If I swaggered into your imaginary bar and said (to use your words) "what a bunch of silly children!  i came here expecting something different, something that suits *me*; but you drivel-spouting morons aren’t what i was looking for!  and besides, you don’t wear clothes that are universally neat and tidy!" if I said that with a big old grin and a wink, and then bought you all a drink, the reaction might likely be different.     I would like to continue to point out, however, that this is not and never has been about suiting *me* or my *ideal*.   Honestly, that’s rather overstating the case–but I’m beginning to understand that you’re a lawyer, and so I’ll forgive the tendency.  I have been listening in here for a few weeks, and when I’ve had something to add, I’ve added it.  You guys haven’t noticed for whatever reasons.  I would not have peeped my peep, were it not for the fact that I saw others identifying the same gripe.  It struck me as a legitimate gripe.  On my server, this is my only option for a fly-fishing newsgroup.  Seemed reasonable that folks could try to be reasonable in terms of wasting each other’s time.  As I said to Mr. Connor yesterday, the "dog" point of attack suddenly shifted from "don’t read the posts you don’t like" to "geez, the threads are sometimes interwoven, deal with it," which, I mean, you’re a lawyer, you’ve seen this before–doesn’t a sudden switch in logic generally indicate the implicit recognition that the frontline logic isn’t holding up so well?  And the things is, the problem is one that’s really easy to fix.   Really simple.  You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.  So why not fix it?     I know you know what I mean.  Too, I recognize that Mr. George doesn’t control you folks.  It never occured to me otherwise.  I think his was merely an effort similar to yours, using a different tactic, and one that was equally appreciated.   So … peace.   But, please, please, please try to label off-subject posts more clearly.

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<<I suspect that the history books, like most Americans, are going to focus on the success and/or failures he had in meeting his agenda. I am still waiting for  one of his promises from 1992 – a middle-class tax cut..  In the last SOU he promises everyone something.  Typical Clinton. Dave LaCourse

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rw wrote I suspect that the history books, like most Americans, are going to focus on the success and/or failures he had in meeting his agenda. If a guy like Nixon, who did quit in disgrace, can now be viewed warmly for his statesmanship one can only guess at how kind history will be to a man who makes the Teflon Don look like a dirty old fryin pan. Right. History sure remembers those Republicans who failed to convict Johnson warmly. As if!

Yes.  History remembers what people did with their political power.  My point exactly.  Thanks. The Republicans you refer to are remembered for their vindictiveness.  They used their power to punish the South and thereby extended regional enmity and all of its ramifications far beyond the end of the war.  So history doesn’t paint them very kindly.  (I am sure some of you boys out there from the South can wax rhapsodically on this subject for hours!) How ironic that the current crop of Republicans is behaving so like their forebears and likely will reap the same reward from history.  Hmmm…I don’t know the makeup of the Repubs that are really driving this whole thing to the wall, but aren’t they Southern Republicans??? …. Doubly ironic if true. Not only that.  When all is said and done, history is once again going to laud the genius of the "Framers" who had the foresight to require a 2/3 vote for removing the president from office, thereby insuring that a vindictive ‘Minority’ party, that temporarily enjoys a majority in the congress, could not overturn the will of the people. Man.  If your a Repub, that’s gotta hurt. —                                                       -dnc-

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DavPLaC wrote <<Unless the Republican Guard Taliban Party scores on their Hail Mary pass to the witnesses, which is VERY unlikely, Clinton is home free. I would rather commit political suicide ( Repub) than commit moral suicide (Dem).  Clinton will never be "free".  Whether you like it or not, he is *IN* the history books as being impeached, shamed, with more than 85% of the people saying they don’t trust him or believe him.  If a sitting president could have been indicted, he would have been, found guilty,  and gone to jail for 18 months like others guilty of perjury.  I voted for the bastard in ‘92 — shame on me!

I suspect that the history books, like most Americans, are going to focus on the success and/or failures he had in meeting his agenda. If a guy like Nixon, who did quit in disgrace, can now be viewed warmly for his statesmanship one can only guess at how kind history will be to a man who makes the Teflon Don look like a dirty old fryin pan. —                                                       -dnc-

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<<Unless the Republican Guard Taliban Party scores on their Hail Mary pass to the witnesses, which is VERY unlikely, Clinton is home free. I would rather commit political suicide ( Repub) than commit moral suicide (Dem).  Clinton will never be "free".  Whether you like it or not, he is *IN* the history books as being impeached, shamed, with more than 85% of the people saying they don’t trust him or believe him.  If a sitting president could have been indicted, he would have been, found guilty,  and gone to jail for 18 months like others guilty of perjury.  I voted for the bastard in ‘92 — shame on me!

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I suspect that the history books, like most Americans, are going to focus on the success and/or failures he had in meeting his agenda. If a guy like Nixon, who did quit in disgrace, can now be viewed warmly for his statesmanship one can only guess at how kind history will be to a man who makes the Teflon Don look like a dirty old fryin pan.

Right. History sure remembers those Republicans who failed to convict Johnson warmly. As if! — something bogus to avoid spam)

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<<Unless the Republican Guard Taliban Party scores on their Hail Mary pass to the witnesses, which is VERY unlikely, Clinton is home free. I would rather commit political suicide ( Repub) than commit moral suicide (Dem).  Clinton will never be "free".  Whether you like it or not, he is *IN* the history books as being impeached, shamed, with more than 85% of the people saying they don’t trust him or believe him.  If a sitting president could have been indicted, he would have been, found guilty,  and gone to jail for 18 months like others guilty of perjury.  I voted for the bastard in ‘92 — shame on me!

Would you care to place a bet on whether Clinton will be convicted of one of these "crimes" after he leaves office? — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Mr. G wrote I notice of late that you have been promoting the need for one, and in a way that implies you have one.  I’m sure you do, I just hope it’s in full gear when the Senate decides not to remove you know who from office. By the way, I bit on your $10 bet that the Senate would remove him (IOW, my money is on the Senate NOT removing him)

Sounds like a solid bet to me. Unless the Republican Guard Taliban Party scores on their Hail Mary pass to the witnesses, which is VERY unlikely, Clinton is home free. The voters will remember, just like they remembered about the Republicans shutting down the government. The Democrats will make sure they remember. There will be hell to pay. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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I for one vote NO for a moderator. Who do you have deciding what’s right and what’s wrong. Conservative Republican Congressmen from southern states?

Oops. That should be "conservative" in quotes, because they very clearly have no interest whatsoever in conservation, especially when it conflicts with the profits of their fat-cat special-interest sugar-daddy campaign contributors. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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I for one vote NO for a moderator. Who do you have deciding what’s right and what’s wrong.

Conservative Republican Congressmen from southern states? — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Mr. G wrote

I notice of late that you have been promoting the need for one, and in a way that implies you have one.  I’m sure you do, I just hope it’s in full gear when the Senate decides not to remove you know who from office. By the way, I bit on your $10 bet that the Senate would remove him (IOW, my money is on the Senate NOT removing him) ….and double twitch   —                                                       -dnc-

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I for one vote NO for a moderator. Who do you have deciding what’s right and what’s wrong. I hate censorship in all of it’s nasty forms. An occasional commercial spam or a demo spam is ok with me, it provides a few chuckles. If some of you roffians want a moderated group, simply go start one. ROFF is the land of the FREE. –Wataugan Walt

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0] : You guys have more patience with assholes than I have.  I simply filter out : his name from the news group.  Then the only problem I have is the band : width you give him.  If it continues I filter out the "subject.name". : Perhaps we should have a standard message that explains the rules of : etiquette to them.  If they don’t take that advice then a moderator will : simply write a message to filter that persons name.  All who agree will : filter it and all who disagree won’t.  The moderator will add the "subject : name" of any future posts which deal with the asshole and send it out for : filtering : Ernie Harrison.. Hey Ernie a standard message has been floating around for awhile. This is it below. With a little editing in could be made ROFF specific  Dear   [ ] sir      [ ] clueless one  [ ] twit          [ ] great man on campus   [ ] madam    [ ] dweeb         [ ] twerp         [ ] comrade   [ ] Elvis    [ ] moon beam     [ ] boor          [ ] Obergruppenfuehrer   [ ] citoyen  [ ] Geek          [ ] grad student  [ ] cur  You are being gently flamed because.   [ ] you continued a boring useless stupid thread   [ ] you repeatedly posted to the same thread that you just posted to   [ ] you repeatedly initiated incoherent, flaky, and mindless threads   [ ] you posted a piece riddled with profanities   [ ] you advocated Net censorship   [ ] you SCREAMED! (used all caps)   [ ] you posted some sort of crap that doesn’t belong in this group   [ ] you posted the inanely stupid ‘Make Money Fast’ article   [ ] you threatened others with physical harm   [ ] you made a bigoted statement(s)   [ ] you repeatedly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual superiority   [ ] you are under the misapprehension that this group is your preserve   [ ] you repeatedly shown lack of humor   [ ] you are apparently under compulsion to post to every threat   [ ] you are posting an anonymous attack Get a life. Mike — Michael McGuire                     Hewlett Packard Laboratories  (remove x’s from email if not      Palo Alto, CA 94303-0971   a spammer) Phone: (650)-857-5491              

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 The olive branch is certainly appreciated.  If you read my post to Mr. G and Mr. Connor, I think you’ll see that I recognize the same phenomenon you do.  Furthermore, one of the problems of electronic communications is that participants are not able to actually see how one speaks his words, unable to interpret the non-verbal communication that accompanies pure language.

        i am in complete accord with your assessment of some of the problems of this unique sort of communication. If I swaggered into your imaginary bar and said (to use your words) "what a bunch of silly children!  i came here expecting something different, something that suits *me*; but you drivel-spouting morons aren’t what i was looking for!  and besides, you don’t wear clothes that are universally neat and tidy!" if I said that with a big old grin and a wink, and then bought you all a drink, the reaction might likely be different.

        that’s a close call, jeff.  the key is having come to *know* you.  I would like to continue to point out, however, that this is not and never has been about suiting *me* or my *ideal*.   Honestly, that’s rather overstating the case–but I’m beginning to understand that you’re a lawyer, and so I’ll forgive the tendency.

        so far, i have noted two posts that clearly cheered your approach and content.  but i grant you that there may be others out there who are frustrated by the inability of some of us to remain so deadly serious, and boring.  I have been listening in here for a few weeks, and when I’ve had something to add, I’ve added it.  You guys haven’t noticed for whatever reasons.

probably because many of us just don’t want to confine our discussions to the latest method of double hauling, or our last trip to christmas island, or what is the hot setup for flats shirts, or how to fish a ten foot wide stream.  or, we just weren’t interested.  not saying that those were the subject matter of your posts, of course; there i go, "overstating my case" again.   I would not have peeped my peep, were it not for the fact that I saw others identifying the same gripe.  It struck me as a legitimate gripe.  On my server, this is my only option for a fly-fishing newsgroup.  Seemed reasonable that folks could try to be reasonable in terms of wasting each other’s time.  As I said to Mr. Connor yesterday, the "dog" point of attack suddenly shifted from "don’t read the posts you don’t like" to "geez, the threads are sometimes interwoven, deal with it," which, I mean, you’re a lawyer, you’ve seen this before–doesn’t a sudden switch in logic generally indicate the implicit recognition that the frontline logic isn’t holding up so well?

not relevant.  this isn’t a problem in logic, or a legal argument.  it is about manners, and expectations.  And the things is, the problem is one that’s really easy to fix.   Really simple.  You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.  So why not fix it?    I know you know what I mean.  Too, I recognize that Mr. George doesn’t control you folks.  It never occured to me otherwise.  I think his was merely an effort similar to yours, using a different tactic, and one that was equally appreciated.   So … peace.   But, please, please, please try to label off-subject posts more clearly.

i have already begun to function in that fashion.  you may find many others more difficult to persuade.  but i am pleased that you understand that we welcome anyone as a participant in this group.  you will be treated very close to the way in which you treat others.  many folks who were wary about me, and me about them, six months ago, are now close cyberfriends.  be patient.  good to have you,. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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You guys have more patience with assholes than I have.  I simply filter out his name from the news group.

        i like the "find his mommy" approach.  this may be a job for (unspeakable name). wayno the deadly serious – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Just as a point of clarification, Microsoft’s Outlook Express does provide filtering…it’s just hard to find. Unfortunately, I’ve been forced to find the facility lately. Check under Tools on the menu…select Newsgroup Filters… Hope this helps! –Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You guys have more patience with assholes than I have.  I simply filter out his name from the news group.  Then the only problem I have is the band width you give him.  If it continues I filter out the "subject.name". Yup – that’s my next step. I’d hoped that it wouldn’t come to that – as we all know how tangential threads run around here – and I might miss something good by flushing by threads ;^) Perhaps we should have a standard message that explains the rules of etiquette to them.  If they don’t take that advice then a moderator will simply write a message to filter that persons name.  All who agree will filter it and all who disagree won’t.  The moderator will add the "subject name" of any future posts which deal with the asshole and send it out for filtering Nope – that won’t fly. First, who wants to be "moderator" of this group? (not me, that’s fer damn sure) Second, it’d be a thankless job – fraught with second-guessing (surely a "damned if you do/damned if you don’t" function). Beyond that, the group is full of people that are using various newsreaders that don’t provide filtering (includes most of MickeySoft’s newsreaders, older versions of Netscape, and whatever it is that AOL forces on its clients). The easiest thing to do for those who use readers sans filtering abilities is to manually SET MODE IGNORE. /daytripper

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 I know you know what I mean.  Too, I recognize that Mr. George doesn’t control you folks.  It never occured to me otherwise.  I think his was merely an effort similar to yours, using a different tactic, and one that was equally appreciated.   So … peace.   But, please, please, please try to label off-subject posts more clearly. i have already begun to function in that fashion.  you may find many others more difficult to persuade.  but i am pleased that you understand that we welcome anyone as a participant in this group.  you will be treated very close to the way in which you treat others.  many folks who were wary about me, and me about them, six months ago, are now close cyberfriends.  be patient.  good to have you,. wayno

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I’m planning of visiting Yosemite and Kings Canyon National Parks at the end of September.  Any advice on rivers and fly selection would be appreciated!  I’ll be staying in Three Rivers and Bass Lake.   Thanks Very Much!

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I’m planning of visiting Yosemite and Kings Canyon National Parks at the end of September.  Any advice on rivers and fly selection would be appreciated!  I’ll be staying in Three Rivers and Bass Lake.  

The streams in that end of Yosemite will be too low at the end of Sept. , but it’s about an hour over to the Merced just outside the park at El Portal.  The Merced has been ok in some years and poor in others, but fishes best at this time of year.  Check with Bob at Sierra Anglers in Modesto for an up to date report.  Out of Three Rivers your best bet is the Middle Fk. of the Kaweah above Buckeye Flat campground.  Both rivers are free stone streams with lots of pocket water.  Use Elk Hair Caddis , stimulators or Humpies, the basic western Sierra drill. Good luck. …Dick

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  You mean like shaking up a warm budweiser, squirting it all over your   fishing companion and slamming it John Belushi style all the while mumbling   something about "didja see da size dat summabitch ?"….   —   TimW   Halfordian Golfer

I’m sorry that I don’t quite get it.  Does the mumbling occur before or after smashing the can to your forehead? cheers,         -tgades — Tony Gades. Seattle, WA.  USA http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades http://weber.u.washington.edu/~tgades/Fishing/fish_page.html email: replace the "this_address_is_wrong" with "tgades"

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You mean like shaking up a warm budweiser, squirting it all over your fishing companion and slamming it John Belushi style all the while mumbling something about "didja see da size dat summabitch ?"….

No, that is not what I mean. Woods Hole, MA   USA

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2. I fish many catch and release streams and NEVER see a dead fish. 3. Whenever I release a fish after allowing it to regain its composure by gently holding it upstream and allowing it to get a flow of water through it’s gills, they always seem to take off on their own with little difficulty.  Is this lactic acid thing just some myth that some guide somewhere started to sound cool or knowledgeable?  I suspect so.  Show me the evidence. This is not new and wasn’t made up by some guide. Billfisherman have been talking about it for decades. There are times when some fisherman spend 1 minute reviving for each minute fighting to improve survival rates. Not much for a 5 minute tussle with a trout. How about after a couple of hours on a marlin?

The trick to survival of catch and release fish is to release them before they get exhausted. You need to play a bit and then bring them in and let them go. If you lose them horsing them in, then they just saved you the work of removing the hook. I try not to break off, try to get the fish in before it’s exhausted. They don’t always cooperate! Time spent reviving is well worth the fish being saved! DON’T PULL THE FISH BACKWARDS THROUGH THE WATER. . . SUFFOCATES THEM!!! Annie Oakley’s Casting & Blasting Page, shooting and fly fishing links: http://members.tripod.com/~AnnieOakley/CastAndBlast.html SORRRY SPAMMERS!!! Annie’s address is blocked. It’s really simple. . . Or linked from her site!

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I’ve heard that the anticipated heavy run off from melting snow around Sun Valley, Idaho will have local streams and the Wood River running so fast that the fly fishing won’t be worth while until late August.  I was planning a trip there in late June-early July.  Does anyone know if high run off has this effect, and anything about what is likely along this line in July?

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I’m not in Idaho, but in the nearby Rockies, the snow pack is heavy and continues to build, I would say that free stone rivers will be less fishable until later summer. The banks and protected, slower portions of the rivers will be OK but wading into positon is dangerous.Float fishing will not be optimal. Even tail water fisheries may effected as the dams dump water. Of course, the spring creeks will be less effected but are limited in access.

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Daren, I spoke with a friend of mine in S.V. and yes the run off is expected to last into Aug.  It will affect fishing, it is even expected to effect Silver Creeek.  Change your trip to a tail water if possible, how about the Missiouri river below Holter Lake in Mont. or the Kootenai river in Mont.   Best of luck. Regards, Joe writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve heard that the anticipated heavy run off from melting snow around Sun Valley, Idaho will have local streams and the Wood River running so fast that the fly fishing won’t be worth while until late August.  I was planning a trip there in late June-early July.  Does anyone know if high run off has this effect, and anything about what is likely along this line in July?

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: I’ve heard that the anticipated heavy run off from melting snow around Sun : Valley, Idaho will have local streams and the Wood River running so fast : that the fly fishing won’t be worth while until late August.  I was : planning a trip there in late June-early July.  Does anyone know if high : run off has this effect, and anything about what is likely along this line : in July? It is almost certain the rivers will be near maximum during the period you mentioned.  Many high rivers drop fast after maximum, so things may not be that bad.  I’ll check the flow chart tonight and provide more specific information soon.  One thing to keep in mind is that the tributaries to the Wood will probably be better than the main river, but the season on the tribs doesn’t open until July 1.   The rivers become large and fast and remain cold during runoff.  The fish will not be feeding due to the temperature and will be difficult to find due to the high water.  I think the stretch near Sun Valley is popular among kayakers so I would guess it is difficult to wade during high water, as well. Rick — T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.  

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I have to take an enforced trip to Madeira in January.  It’s been described to me as a holiday. Is it worth taking a rod? — Steve

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:I have to take an enforced trip to Madeira in January.  It’s been : described to  me as a holiday. : Is it worth taking a rod? : — : Steve No, Steve, this is terrible news. Drag your tired body down there. Never mind the gorgeous weather – you’ll survive. And the fishing – oh dear – but it’s not worth your time. It’s ALWAYS worth taking a rod. D.F.

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