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I’m heading to see my brother for a few days and will be in the Boulder area.  Can anyone recommend some areas/ types of flyfishing.  My preference is drys but just want to enjoy some great scenery.  Wild fish preferred! thanks much! Bruce

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<snipped Bruce, I know Mike Medintz lives up in that area.  I went up there a month ago and fished the Big Thompson with moderate success.  I was using a black midge with a red bead head and got some good action.  We started fishing just below the dam at Estes(?) Park in the early morning, then drove down about 4 miles and fished a really good stretch with a lot of big boulders breaking up the water.  Nice area. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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What is the web address for this disscusion

group. I am getting rid of my web tv. and can not live without reading the posts on ROFF. If it isn’t available on a computer, where

can i get my ROFF fix? web tv dosn’t list an addy for ROFF, just

says web tv network. Thanks Let me first say congratulations in deciding to get rid of web-tv. Secondly, you can read and post on this and

other news groups at www.deja.com.  It is a free web-based news

service.  One of the best parts of www.deja.com is the search options.

You can search old posts or even other posters.  It becomes very handy

ammunition when you’re in an argument with someone.  It’s been used

against me several times. — Vern My ROFF page:

http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ ROFFintro.html "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

Thanks guys i have found it now. Thanks again             sYc427 Before you buy.

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Cool.  Looks like you’re all set up on www.deja.com with a new handle as well.  :-)  I’m glad it’s working. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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What is the web address for this disscusion group. I am getting rid of my web tv. and can not live without reading the posts on ROFF. If it isn’t available on a computer, where can i get my ROFF fix???? web tv dosn’t list an addy for ROFF, just says web tv network. Thanks

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What is the web address for this disscusion group. I am getting rid of my web tv. and can not live without reading the posts on ROFF. If it isn’t available on a computer, where can i get my ROFF fix???? web tv dosn’t list an addy for ROFF, just says web tv network.

This isn’t a "web" site – it’s a Usenet group. When you subscribe to an internet service provider they will let you know where to point your news reader application to find their (and hence your) news server. Once you’ve gotten that information you should be able to find rec.outdoors.fishing.fly and add it to your list of subscribed groups. The alternative is to use one of the web-based usenet services, which grab usenet posts and archive them so you can access them via a browser. Slower and usually more cumbersome than the more direct approach, but this is a popular solution with AOL users (who are otherwise stuck with an atrocious usenet service)… Cheers. /daytripper

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When you subscribe to an internet service provider they will let you know where to point your news reader…

heh heh, I *knew* someone was gonna say that The alternative is to use one of the web-based usenet services, which grab usenet posts and archive them so you can access them via a browser. Slower and usually more cumbersome than the more direct approach, but this is a popular solution with AOL users (who are otherwise stuck with an atrocious usenet service)…

Doesn’t everyone use www.deja.com or other for searching archives? Regards, Jeff

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What is the web address for this disscusion group. I am getting rid of my web tv. and can not live without reading the posts on ROFF. If it isn’t available on a computer, where can i get my ROFF fix? web tv dosn’t list an addy for ROFF, just says web tv network. Thanks

Let me first say congratulations in deciding to get rid of web-tv. Secondly, you can read and post on this and other news groups at www.deja.com.  It is a free web-based news service.  One of the best parts of www.deja.com is the search options.  You can search old posts or even other posters.  It becomes very handy ammunition when you’re in an argument with someone.  It’s been used against me several times. — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey Before you buy.

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It was not ffing – in was fly catching, and required very lttle effort or skill. However, a mid-night raid on such  a place would be *more* than ethical. Dave L.

I wouldn’t recommend a midnight raid due to the dogs, the river keep and the twelve gauge.but I’m planning on staying in the guest cottage at Terry’s for the clave and will try my best to work something out. I will call him tomorrow and see what he says about groups, rates, discounts etc…The shop I guide for has a deal with Terry in which we guide anyone who wants to fish there. The fish are too huge to land alone so this is recommended. I have fished there a bunch and can assure you that there is nothing easy about landing a 6 pound Kamloops on a sz. 18 pheasant tail. The fishing is easy- if you use a cork pellet- but if you fish it according to the hatches and the mood of the fish its a damn fun time and a challenge. For a time this year I was nailing them on a sz. 18 sulphur parachute – it’ll make your knees shake watching a 26 inch brown sip down a fly that small. . My personal best was a 15 pound rainbow. I caught her on a sz. 16 beetle, barbless…..My funniest catch was a 20 some odd inch Kamloops that put me into the backing in one long run. It took the fly, turned tail and ran straight at me, jumped chest high into the air, bounced off  a boulder in front of me and kept on hauling. She ran 60 feet in one run. The run was so violent I ended up tangled in the trees 50 feet downstream. I ran after her, pulled my line out of the trees, and tried to reel her in. Another run upstream, and the down…….I landed her after a long fight. Funny thing is, I was just showing my guest how to roll cast and didn’t expect to hook Granted, it may be fake, but it will have you shaking in your boots. By no means is it easy.  Any how, enough rambling, I’ll let you guys know what Terry says tomorrow. I just decided that I’m going to fish there for a while in the evening if I can. I’ll post a report…… Tight lines…. Matt McCray

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I wouldn’t recommend a midnight raid due to the dogs, the river keep and the twelve gauge.but I’m planning on staying in the guest cottage at Terry’s for the clave and will try my best to work something out. I will call him tomorrow and see what he says about groups, rates, discounts etc…

That’s right nice of you Matt. I actually knew that you were a guide for that stretch of water from talking to Walt and from reading your emails on the NC list, but since we haven’t met, I didn’t want to be so bold as to ask a favor. However, I do have one suggestion. When you talk to Terry, tell him that ROFF consists primarily of well-kempt expert anglers who could bring in lots of future business due to their influence among the wealthy. As opposed to divulging the fact that ROFF is really just a rowdy bunch of profane cheapskates who will attack even a dogwood tree when sufficiently drunk. –Steve

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No job openings in Wilmington IJ, but I do offer a standing invitation to drive down there and show you how to fix your newsreader so that your name shows up in the From list when you post Take care, IJ. We’ll see you soon!! –Steve

How does IJ do that, anyhow?  I already told Walt I was coming to the spring clave in Carolina.  However, I forgot to mention that my attendance was contingent upon the presence of Indian Joe.  Wouldn’t be a Carolina Clave without THE MAN being there. Mark Faulkner

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However, I do have one suggestion. When you talk to Terry, tell him that ROFF consists primarily of well-kempt expert anglers who could bring in lots of future business due to their influence among the wealthy. As opposed to divulging the fact that ROFF is really just a rowdy bunch of profane cheapskates who will attack even a dogwood tree when sufficiently drunk. –Steve

        since we are under oath here on roff, i must admit to all the accusations contained in this post, save one:  i haven’t been well-kempt since becky oakley and jody stirewalt got into the ritual mushrooms back in ‘78 and decided to make me a human sacrifice to the goddess of love.  it is my firm belief that the statute of limitations has run on that incident. wayno the innocent – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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since becky oakley and jody stirewalt got into the ritual wayno the innocent

Ahhhh, Becky and Jody; I taught them everything they know back in ‘74. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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(snipped extremely large dose of fermented BS) in the evening if I can. I’ll post a report…… Tight lines…. Matt McCray

Walt, Matt’s been at the mushrooms again. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Steve Z: <<As opposed to divulging the fact that ROFF is really just a rowdy bunch of profane cheapskates who will attack even a dogwood tree when sufficiently drunk.

That’s it, Zimmerman!  It am generous to a fault, it wasn’t a dogwood, and it was Jeffy what was drunk!  Did you pay me for your ‘clave hat?  d;0) Louie

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Steve Z: <<As opposed to divulging the fact that ROFF is really just a rowdy bunch of profane cheapskates who will attack even a dogwood tree when sufficiently drunk. That’s it, Zimmerman!  It am generous to a fault, it wasn’t a dogwood, and it was Jeffy what was drunk!  Did you pay me for your ‘clave hat?  d;0)

You forgot to say ‘f*ck profanity’<g. — Charlie…

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it is my firm belief that the statute of limitations has run on that incident. wayno the innocent

As Delbert McClinton says, "it ain’t what you eat but the way how you chew it". — Charlie…

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since we are under oath here on roff, i must admit to all the accusations contained in this post, save one:  i haven’t been well-kempt since becky oakley and jody stirewalt got into the ritual mushrooms back in ‘78 and decided to make me a human sacrifice to the goddess of love.  it is my firm belief that the statute of limitations has run on that incident. wayno the innocent

LOL.   I seem to remember a similar incident involving a certain cactus. Of course you’re the legal expert here, but our president has made abundantly clear the difference between "innocent" and "not convicted". Joe F.

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I sent him an email a couple of weeks ago, detailing the steps.  I think he enjoys the anonymity. Tom — Tom Brown The Signal Group Wake Forest, NC The older you get, the better you realize you are. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve   Wore my code marine tee shirt during super senior tennis tournament in kKGreensboro this weekend. Do I get some type of commission, it sure did not help my game. We play doubles, my partner and I won first two matches then my legs <still tired from  Slick Rock Creek in fall gave out. If you’re gonna blame the T-shirt for your poor tennis play then I don’t think we’re going to be in any mood to pay you an endorsement check. If you had won, on the other hand, then that would be a different story. Mebbie a handful of Albolene or a used T-shirt  I can be in Raleigh in two hours so if you guys are flying out to Maine or someplace fishing and the company plane will hold three give me a call . What’s your fishing schedule looking like over the Christmas holidays? I’m not sure the plane is available, but we’re trying to work things out to drop in unannounced on Marie. You’re welcome to join us.  Think you are a pretty smart guy, after very short exposure to fall ball gang I notice you have planned to arrange own quarters. for spring clave. It’s not that I didn’t like the people. Summa the nicest FF folks I’ve ever met. But I can tell you that I was worried during my visits to the cabin at the Fall Ball that the ATF was going to raid the cabin and that LaCourse was going to put on his best Koresh impression and torch the place. All the downstream neighbors on Arkca creek are still trying ti to find the guys who poisioned their stream when they threw the left over meals into the stream beh9ind the cabin. I never did find out how that spaghetti sauce turned out IJ. Bill and I were too afraid to show up for dinner that night. Think I am getting pretty good on this computator thing,  Might br be ablr able to get rid of my fire and blanket. Does your company want a highly paid executative   who lives in Wilmington? No job openings in Wilmington IJ, but I do offer a standing invitation to drive down there and show you how to fix your newsreader so that your name shows up in the From list when you post Take care, IJ. We’ll see you soon!! –Steve

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Steve   Wore my code marine tee shirt during super senior tennis tournament in kKGreensboro this weekend. Do I get some type of commission, it sure did not help my game.  We play doubles, my partner and I won first two matches then my legs <still tired from  Slick Rock Creek in fall gave out.      I can be in Raleigh in two hours so if you guys are flying out to Maine or someplace fishing and the company plane will hold three give me a call .  Think you are a pretty smart guy, after very short exposure to fall ball gang I notice you have planned to arrange own quarters. for spring clave.   All the downstream neighbors on Arkca creek are still trying ti to find the guys who poisioned their stream when they threw the left over meals into the stream beh9ind the cabin.    Think I am getting pretty good on this computator thing,  Might br be ablr able to get rid of my fire and blanket. Does your company want a highly paid executative   who lives in Wilmington?  Indian Joe

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IJ…might be time to adjust the medication a bit <G. BTW, it’s a different crowd "downstream" in avery/watauga…they’ll have you locked up on charges for environmental pollution within the first day! … of course, you’ll probably be staying over at elk river at tom selleck’s place won’t you? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve   Wore my code marine tee shirt during super senior tennis tournament in kKGreensboro this weekend. Do I get some type of commission, it sure did not help my game.  We play doubles, my partner and I won first two matches then my legs <still tired from  Slick Rock Creek in fall gave out.  I can be in Raleigh in two hours so if you guys are flying out to Maine or someplace fishing and the company plane will hold three give me a call .  Think you are a pretty smart guy, after very short exposure to fall ball gang I notice you have planned to arrange own quarters. for spring clave. All the downstream neighbors on Arkca creek are still trying ti to find the guys who poisioned their stream when they threw the left over meals into the stream beh9ind the cabin.    Think I am getting pretty good on this computator thing,  Might br be ablr able to get rid of my fire and blanket. Does your company want a highly paid executative   who lives in Wilmington?  Indian Joe

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Second, it was Louie (the evil one) that went on the midnight trip and the waters weren’t restricted. Now, if you wanna hang with those guys, Steve, ya gotta get your stories right.  <g Dave L.

Yessir, Dave, sir, I’ll take my stripes sir. But sir my question still remains sir. Are you… uh I mean… is Louie going to lead us on a midnight trip into Boone’s Fork or are we gonna try to make some sorta financial arrangement to fish it sir? –Steve

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Steve Z: <<Yessir, Dave, sir, I’ll take my stripes sir. But sir my question still remains sir. Are you… uh I mean… is Louie going to lead us on a midnight trip into Boone’s Fork or are we gonna try to make some sorta financial arrangement to fish it sir? Dang it, man, if I didn’t know better, I’d swear you were trained by wayno.  Shhhhhhhhhhh!  And we call them "raids" when we sneak in at night.   You know how to handle a flash-light?  A tree? Louie btw, what the hell is this Boone’s Fork thingy?

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Dang it, man, if I didn’t know better, I’d swear you were trained by wayno.  Shhhhhhhhhhh!  And we call them "raids" when we sneak in at night.   You know how to handle a flash-light?  A tree? Louie btw, what the hell is this Boone’s Fork thingy?

Well, I was referring to a specific private section of the creek where the owners have "carefully cultivated the stream habitat" (read stocked insanely big fish and fed them pellets on a regular basis). The fish there are unbelievably big. See www.woundedfork.com for details. Walt calls it "fake fishing." I simply wanna know if he’s going to pull some strings with the locals to get us a few casts on these waters or if you were going to make… other… arrangements –Steve

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Steve Z: <<Well, I was referring to a specific private section of the creek where the owners have "carefully cultivated the stream habitat" (read stocked insanely big fish and fed them pellets on a regular basis). The fish there are unbelievably big. See www.woundedfork.com for details. Walt calls it "fake fishing." I simply wanna know if he’s going to pull some strings with the locals to get us a few casts on these waters or if you were going to make… other… arrangements I agree with Walt.  I once belonged to a local ffing club.  Three heavily stocked ponds with very big fish.  After fishing there for awhile, I found out where the term "shooting fish in a barrel" came from.  It was not ffing – in was fly catching, and required very lttle effort or skill. However, a mid-night raid on such  a place would be *more* than ethical. Dave L.

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Well, I was referring to a specific private section of the creek where the owners have "carefully cultivated the stream habitat" (read stocked insanely big fish and fed them pellets on a regular basis). The fish there are unbelievably big. See www.woundedfork.com for details. Walt calls it "fake fishing." I simply wanna know if he’s going to pull some strings with the locals to get us a few casts on these waters or if you were going to make… other… arrangements If they’re Orvis endorsed I’m sure Dave can pull some strings<g. — Charlie…

these waters, in a sense, are orvis endorsed. to fish them, you hafta arrange a guide trip at the orvis shop. I believe it’s $450.00. is it fake. well, in the sense that there ain’t no other stream in the state with fish like this…sure, it’s unreal, afterall, they are fed daily. are they big fish….well, they’re mighty damn big fish! kamloops, browns and rainbows, many well over 30". the biggest brookies i’ve ever seen, some 24"+. california golden trout in the 24" range. 100’s of fish between 12" & 24". it’s a sight to see, but it ain’t "real." does that mean i don’t fish it? hell, are you crazy? i’ll  fish it every time i’m lucky enough to wrangle an invite, which appropriately, is just once this year. there is a thrill involved with a 30"+ fish on a 3wt…even if it is "fake." is it wise to sneak in there….go ahead boys…. make terry’s day, or should i say, make his wolves day! yup…wolves. btw, Terry is a very nice fellah who has one of the neatest homes you’d ever want to see. the interior is pure fly fishing motif…from stained glass windows, artwork, books, upholstery, and even the silver and crockery….totally cool. walt — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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btw, Terry is a very nice fellah who has one of the neatest homes you’d ever want to see. the interior is pure fly fishing motif…from stained glass windows, artwork, books, upholstery, and even the silver and crockery….totally cool.

Do you think there’s a chance that if we told him what we’re planning (I’d be willing to give it a shot) that he might make certain allowances for us (reduced fee, no guide requirement, etc)? I think feeding the fish kinda crosses my own little line of what’s real and what’s fake, but as long as we’re gonna be in the area and all it would be nice to catch a really really big trout. –Steve

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Steve   Wore my code marine tee shirt during super senior tennis tournament in kKGreensboro this weekend. Do I get some type of commission, it sure did not help my game. We play doubles, my partner and I won first two matches then my legs <still tired from  Slick Rock Creek in fall gave out.

If you’re gonna blame the T-shirt for your poor tennis play then I don’t think we’re going to be in any mood to pay you an endorsement check. If you had won, on the other hand, then that would be a different story. Mebbie a handful of Albolene or a used T-shirt  I can be in Raleigh in two hours so if you guys are flying out to Maine or someplace fishing and the company plane will hold three give me a

call . What’s your fishing schedule looking like over the Christmas holidays? I’m not sure the plane is available, but we’re trying to work things out to drop in unannounced on Marie. You’re welcome to join us.  Think you are a pretty smart guy, after very short exposure to fall ball gang I notice you have planned to arrange own quarters. for spring

clave. It’s not that I didn’t like the people. Summa the nicest FF folks I’ve ever met. But I can tell you that I was worried during my visits to the cabin at the Fall Ball that the ATF was going to raid the cabin and that LaCourse was going to put on his best Koresh impression and torch the place. All the downstream neighbors on Arkca creek are still trying ti to find the guys who poisioned their stream when they threw the left over meals into the stream beh9ind the cabin.

I never did find out how that spaghetti sauce turned out IJ. Bill and I were too afraid to show up for dinner that night. Think I am getting pretty good on this computator thing,  Might br be ablr able to get rid of my fire and blanket. Does your company want a highly paid executative   who lives in

Wilmington? No job openings in Wilmington IJ, but I do offer a standing invitation to drive down there and show you how to fix your newsreader so that your name shows up in the From list when you post Take care, IJ. We’ll see you soon!! –Steve

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Steve Z: <<or is LaCourse planning to lead another midnight trip into restricted waters? Let me know, cause if we’re gonna do Boone’s Fork I’ll plan to tie up a few pellet flies this winter. –Steve (still waiting for the right moment to break the news of my May vacation to my wife) Firt of all, wuss, you announce nothing to the dear lady — you tell or "inform" her that you are going fishing with the guys next May.   Second, it was Louie (the evil one) that went on the midnight trip and the waters weren’t restricted. Now, if you wanna hang with those guys, Steve, ya gotta get your stories right.  <g Dave L.

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I’ve reformatted your announcement below for the less fortunate. Also, I saw Boone’s Fork listed on your page. Does this mean are you going to talk your friends at Boone’s Fork into letting us fish their "fake fishing" stretch–or is LaCourse planning to lead another midnight trip into restricted waters? Let me know, cause if we’re gonna do Boone’s Fork I’ll plan to tie up a few pellet flies this winter. –Steve (still waiting for the right moment to break the news of my May vacation to my wife)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The 2nd Annual NC ROFF Spring Clave is planned. All are welcome to join us in fishing and merriment. Here is the link to all of the information.  http://users.boone.net/wgw/clave.html Hope to see ya there. Walt

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-Walt  you got so excited about spring that you forgot to type a message. PLEASE REANNOUNCE.    Indian Joe

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-Walt  you got so excited about spring that you forgot to type a message. PLEASE REANNOUNCE.  Indian Joe

sorry ij…i guess the html kilt it. i’ll try again. ***ANNOUNCING*** The 2nd Annual NC ROFF Spring Clave is planned. All are welcome to join us in fishing and merriment. Here is the link to all of the information. The 2nd Annual NC ROFF Spring Clave is planned. All are welcome to join us in fishing and merriment. Here is the link to all of the information. http://users.boone.net/wgw/clave.html Hope to see ya there. Walt Hope to see ya there. Walt — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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The 2nd Annual NC ROFF Spring Clave is planned. All are welcome to join us in fishing and merriment. Here is the link to all of the information.  ’00 R.O.F.F. Spring Fling Hope to see ya there. Walt

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Hi Tim.  if it hurts you are doing it wrong. Take a lesson. You should be able to cast at least sixty feet with relative ease using the correct technique. If you can not do so, take a lesson from a pro. It is rarely necessary to cast sixty feet as it happens, but if it gives you peace of mind to be capable of doing so, then as I said, take a lesson. You will not regret it.

I can cast 60 feet, but when I’m on a float tube in a pond the fish always seem to be rising 65 feet away. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Hi Tim, You might want to try it with a good weight forward floating line. I would try to get some help. Are there any casting classes availaby near you?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching a video on fly fishing the other day and the guy in the video seemed to be able to cast fairly long distances with hardly any effort at all. I am getting better at casting but I seem to need to put a little more force into my cast than what I have seen in most video’s.  I was wondering what weight rod and line are these guys normally using in these video’s?  I have a Cabela’s Sweetwater 6/7 weight rod and use 6 weight WF floating line on it.  I need to really put some power into my casts to get it to reach out even say 20 – 25 ft. I’m trying to keep my wrist firm and elbow tight to my body and using abrupt stops at 11:00 and 1:00 then follow through when letting the fly go to the target so I think I’m doing it right.  Fairly tight loops and all, but something just doesn’t seem right when I see the ease with which some of these guys can cast. Would it make sense for me to try a 7 weight line? BTW it’s not that I really mind the the way I’m casting but I have a pinched nerve in my neck and shoulder (from too many years of competitve volleyball) and after a few hours of casting I start to get a little sore. thanks, Tim Sheehan

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Hi Tim, You might want to try it with a good weight forward floating line. I would try to get some help. Are there any casting classes availaby near you?

Bill, I am using Cortland WF6 Floating line (can’t remember the number…either 333 or 444) isn’t this a decent quality line? I am looking into getting some lessons (I’ve been workin’ on a veteran ROFFer for some casting tips, but havn’t been able to hook up yet…hint, hint, Mark Tim

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Your time is coming Tim Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Tim, You might want to try it with a good weight forward floating line. I would try to get some help. Are there any casting classes availaby near you? Bill, I am using Cortland WF6 Floating line (can’t remember the number…either 333 or 444) isn’t this a decent quality line? I am looking into getting some lessons (I’ve been workin’ on a veteran ROFFer for some casting tips, but havn’t been able to hook up yet…hint, hint, Mark Tim

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Thanks for the reply Tony! I actually did go to the doctor last week because the numbness was getting much worse in my right arm and fingers.  The doc sent me for a spine xray (I’m still waiting for the results) and prescribed some muscle relaxers and NSAIDs.

Get an MRI. X-ray doesn’t show damage to soft tissue. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Hi Tim,     Definitely try the 7wt. If you’re the same guy from Altoona, give me a mail, and maybe we can get together. I live in State College and am a former Orvis instructor. I love to teach casting. Bruce

Good to have another State College roffian around. Mark Faulkner

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Don’t worry so much about distance.  Unless you are fishing the ocean, distance is highly overrated.  Relax, master your cast at shorter distances and eventually, with practice, it’ll all come together. thanks for the tip Ken, and thanks to all that responded to this post with helful advice!! I even got an offer of a free booklet and some casting lessons from another…ROFF is truly amazing!!! Tim

fish. Some of us can even do both. — Mr. G.   http://www.gink.com/html  Fly Fisherman’s Chat Site

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Take a class. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching a video on fly fishing the other day and the guy in the video seemed to be able to cast fairly long distances with hardly any effort at all. I am getting better at casting but I seem to need to put a little more force into my cast than what I have seen in most video’s.  I was wondering what weight rod and line are these guys normally using in these video’s? I have a Cabela’s Sweetwater 6/7 weight rod and use 6 weight WF floating line on it.  I need to really put some power into my casts to get it to reach out even say 20 – 25 ft. I’m trying to keep my wrist firm and elbow tight to my body and using abrupt stops at 11:00 and 1:00 then follow through when letting the fly go to the target so I think I’m doing it right.  Fairly tight loops and all, but something just doesn’t seem right when I see the ease with which some of these guys can cast. Would it make sense for me to try a 7 weight line? BTW it’s not that I really mind the the way I’m casting but I have a pinched nerve in my neck and shoulder (from too many years of competitve volleyball) and after a few hours of casting I start to get a little sore. thanks, Tim Sheehan

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was watching a video on fly fishing the other day and the guy in the video seemed to be able to cast fairly long distances with hardly any effort at all. I am getting better at casting but I seem to need to put a little more force into my cast than what I have seen in most video’s.  I was wondering what weight rod and line are these guys normally using in these video’s?  I have a Cabela’s Sweetwater 6/7 weight rod and use 6 weight WF floating line on it.  I need to really put some power into my casts to get it to reach out even say 20 – 25 ft. I’m trying to keep my wrist firm and elbow tight to my body and using abrupt stops at 11:00 and 1:00 then follow through when letting the fly go to the target so I think I’m doing it right.  Fairly tight loops and all, but something just doesn’t seem right when I see the ease with which some of these guys can cast. Would it make sense for me to try a 7 weight line?

Don’t worry so much about distance.  Unless you are fishing the ocean, distance is highly overrated.  Relax, master your cast at shorter distances and eventually, with practice, it’ll all come together. Just MNSHO,      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."     – Henry David Thoreau

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Don’t worry so much about distance.  Unless you are fishing the ocean, distance is highly overrated.  Relax, master your cast at shorter distances and eventually, with practice, it’ll all come together.

thanks for the tip Ken, and thanks to all that responded to this post with helful advice!! I even got an offer of a free booklet and some casting lessons from another…ROFF is truly amazing!!! Tim

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Well said, Mr. G. This reminds me of a trip to Hat Creek, when I lived in California. I get to the stream, I am walking around, far from the banks, trying to spot feeding fish. And all of the sudden: there they are, a pod of about 20 fish, all lined up along the bank, the same bank I am standing on. So i kneal, tie a fly, and cast (about 20 feet), pling, slurp, fish on, a 17 " rainbow ! I release the fish, and I move on, with the intention of coming back later, hoping that the fish come back.  I return 45 minutes later, and, as I approach the spot, I see a raiseform along the bank, in the same spot.  They are back ! However, this guy arrives at the same time, steps into the water (right through the pod !) goes to the middle of the stream and starts casting long, beautiful casts. If you have ever fished Hat Creek, you would know that long beautiful casts in the middle of the river, in the middle of the summer, are essentially worthless: the weeds create capricious little surface currents that always cause your fly to drag after two-three feet (when doing things properly: reach casts, s casts, parachute casts, whatever is required to put as much slack in the line as one can.) Lakes, some very large rivers (e.g.: yellowstone, below the lake), saltwater, might require long casts (yesterday I was out on a local reservoir, smallmouth fishing, and I have to say that double hauls did really help there, to get past those long weed banks ….), on most streams trout can be found much closer than you think …. (Atlantic salmon,sea trout, steelhead are a different matter…) -Vittorio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t worry so much about distance.  Unless you are fishing the ocean, distance is highly overrated.  Relax, master your cast at shorter distances and eventually, with practice, it’ll all come together. thanks for the tip Ken, and thanks to all that responded to this post with helful advice!! I even got an offer of a free booklet and some casting lessons from another…ROFF is truly amazing!!! Tim fish. Some of us can even do both. — Mr. G. http://www.gink.com/html  Fly Fisherman’s Chat Site

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Mr. G. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This reminds me of a trip to Hat Creek, when I lived in California. I get to the stream, I am walking around, far from the banks, trying to spot feeding fish. And all of the sudden: there they are, a pod of about 20 fish, all lined up along the bank, the same bank I am standing on. So i kneal, tie a fly, and cast (about 20 feet), pling, slurp, fish on, a 17 " rainbow ! I release the fish, and I move on, with the intention of coming back later, hoping that the fish come back.  I return 45 minutes later, and, as I approach the spot, I see a raiseform along the bank, in the same spot.  They are back ! However, this guy arrives at the same time, steps into the water (right through the pod !) goes to the middle of the stream and starts casting long, beautiful casts. If you have ever fished Hat Creek, you would know that long beautiful casts in the middle of the river, in the middle of the summer, are essentially worthless: the weeds create capricious little surface currents that always cause your fly to drag after two-three feet (when doing things properly: reach casts, s casts, parachute casts, whatever is required to put as much slack in the line as one can.) Lakes, some very large rivers (e.g.: yellowstone, below the lake), saltwater, might require long casts (yesterday I was out on a local reservoir, smallmouth fishing, and I have to say that double hauls did really help there, to get past those long weed banks ….), on most streams trout can be found much closer than you think …. (Atlantic salmon,sea trout, steelhead are a different matter…) -Vittorio fish. Some of us can even do both. — Mr. G. http://www.gink.com/html  Fly Fisherman’s Chat Site

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Get that pinched nerve fixed! A while back, I had a pinched nerve in my neck that gave me pain along my left forearm and numbness/pins-n-needles in my thumb and forefinger. An old girlfriend, who is a physio, suggested some self therapy which cleared things up after a few weeks.

Surgery may be required. I had a pinched nerve in my neck caused by a herniated disc. It was agonizing and was causing my right arm to atrophy. My first surgery was what is called a "lamectomy." The surgeon told me it would work for awhile but the problem would probably recur. He recommended fusing a couple of discs, but that sounded too extreme for me. I should have listened to him, because a few years later the pinched nerve came back worse than ever. I had the discs fused several years ago and now my neck and arm are 100%, and I don’t even notice any lack of mobility in my neck. The worst part was the recuperation, which entailed about three months of lying around the house wearing a neck brace. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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Get that pinched nerve fixed! A while back, I had a pinched nerve in my neck that gave me pain along my left forearm and numbness/pins-n-needles in my thumb and forefinger. An old girlfriend, who is a physio, suggested some self therapy which cleared things up after a few weeks.

Thanks for the reply Tony! I actually did go to the doctor last week because the numbness was getting much worse in my right arm and fingers.  The doc sent me for a spine xray (I’m still waiting for the results) and prescribed some muscle relaxers and NSAIDs. I did get one session with the Physical therapist last week and I have already noticed some improvement. (Of-course it could be the placebo effect:) Thanks for the tips on casting too!! Tim

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BTW it’s not that I really mind the the way I’m casting but I have a pinched nerve in my neck and shoulder (from too many years of competitve volleyball) and after a few hours of casting I start to get a little sore. thanks, Tim Sheehan

Get that pinched nerve fixed! A while back, I had a pinched nerve in my neck that gave me pain along my left forearm and numbness/pins-n-needles in my thumb and forefinger. An old girlfriend, who is a physio, suggested some self therapy which cleared things up after a few weeks. Within limits, the heavier the fly line, the further it will go. If you double the diameter of a fly line, you quadruple the unit mass (for a given line density). This quadruples the momentum, while only doubling the air resistance (drag), for a given velocity. BTW, doubling the line velocity might double the momentum, but it also quadruples the drag. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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I was watching a video on fly fishing the other day and the guy in the video seemed to be able to cast fairly long distances with hardly any effort at all. I am getting better at casting but I seem to need to put a little more force into my cast than what I have seen in most video’s.  I was wondering what weight rod and line are these guys normally using in these video’s?  I have a Cabela’s Sweetwater 6/7 weight rod and use 6 weight WF floating line on it.  I need to really put some power into my casts to get it to reach out even say 20 – 25 ft. I’m trying to keep my wrist firm and elbow tight to my body and using abrupt stops at 11:00 and 1:00 then follow through when letting the fly go to the target so I think I’m doing it right.  Fairly tight loops and all, but something just doesn’t seem right when I see the ease with which some of these guys can cast. Would it make sense for me to try a 7 weight line? BTW it’s not that I really mind the the way I’m casting but I have a pinched nerve in my neck and shoulder (from too many years of competitve volleyball) and after a few hours of casting I start to get a little sore. thanks, Tim Sheehan

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Hi Tim.  if it hurts you are doing it wrong. Take a lesson. You should be able to cast at least sixty feet with relative ease using the correct technique. If you can not do so, take a lesson from a pro. It is rarely necessary to cast sixty feet as it happens, but if it gives you peace of mind to be capable of doing so, then as I said, take a lesson. You will not regret it. TL MC

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Tim… Your comment about keeping your "wrist firm" may be a hint to your problem. As Doug Swisher has said many times in his fly fishing videos, it’s important for a fly caster to develop a "micro second" wrist. This means that your wrist plays a critical part in your casting stroke. The "11 and 1" casting arc should be managed by tipping your wrist correctly, not your arm. This could also explain you getting tired and sore. You might not be letting the rod do the work. Just my 2

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Sounds like heaven to me.. I’ll join you in spirit, probably while casting big streamers for Dutch pike in lousy weather. Have fun, Herman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Was going to email this only to those that have expressed interest in Fall Ball but, what the hell, it’s slow around here and it may be of passing interest even if you have no intention of attending. These fishing get-togethers tend to defy organization, which is as it should be. Nobody wants to put up with too much organizing. Basically those in attendance show up at the Alarka Creek house sometime in the evening, partner up and pick streams for the next day. It’s not good to have too many folks on the same stream and everybody should get a chance to fish Hazel Creek but those things work themselves out. It would be nice to have one time during the week when everyone in attendance is at the same spot at the same time preferably to break bread together. I had thought of a dinner at the Fryemont Inn on Friday night but getting everybody together for dinner can be a problem. If the hatch starts coming off at 7:30 and you’re supposed to be at a dinner back in town at 8:00… well, you get the idea. We had some very late arrivals at the ‘Clave pig-pickin’ because some folks just didn’t want to leave the stream. So, how about I float this idea. Four miles up Noland Creek, where Mill Creek comes in, is the abandoned town of Solola Valley. The Park Service has picnic tables, an outhouse and a hitchin’ rack up there. I propose a picnic lunch sandwiched between a morning & afternoon of fishing Noland Creek. There’s 4 miles of good water both below and above Solola Valley and Mill Creek holds trout too. Should be enough water for everyone if we pair up & spread out. The only problem I could anticipate, besides the weather, is that some don’t want to hike in 4 miles to a picnic and then hike 4 miles out. The solution is horses. I talked to an outfitter yesterday that would be happy to accomodate us at $75 per horse for the full day. Meet him at the stable over at Deep Creek or at the bridge on the "Road to Nowhere" over Noland Creek. Comments ? (BTW, I heard an unsubstantiated rumor on a chat room last night that George was going to fly in with T-Bone and a plane full of Bastard Bamboo fly rods.) — Ken Fortenberry

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        sweet jesus, surely you don’t mean "bryson city billy’s", home of the hot mustangs.  as i recall, their motto is, "grab your hat and ass, boys, and watch ‘is!"

Umm, you seem to be confusing the stable with the whorehouse. "Bryson City Billy’s", Home of the Hot Mustangs, is the whorehouse.         at all costs, avoid a black stallion called "diablo", and a meek looking bay named "sadie".  instant death.

Sadie was the one you were with when the vibrating bed went on the ooow, never mind. As I recall the story, Diablo was black, sure enough, but definitely NOT a stallion. More like 300 lbs. of the meanest whore in North Carolina carrying a torch for Pamlico Jim. Last I heard you two were no longer welcome at "Bryson City Billy’s" because of that incident with the preacher, the vibrator and the hot water heater blowing up. They may have forgotten about it by now, though. — Ken Fortenberry- Historian and friend of the geriatric set

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They have a new one called "Cowboy Killer" in from Nevada I understand. DaveS

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(plans snipped) <<Meet him at the stable over at Deep Creek or at the bridge on the "Road to Nowhere" over Noland Creek. Wonderful idea, Ken.  I could do the 4 miles on foot, but it would take me awhile, and Jo would surely chew me out if she found out.  But horses?  I like the way you think.  Only trouble is, I haven’t been on one since my early 20s.  These *are* docile animals, right? Dave L.

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…  But horses?  I like the way you think.  Only trouble is, I haven’t been on one since my early 20s.  These *are* docile animals, right?

Early 20’s would be what, 2-3 years ago ? We’ll have the wranglers trot out old swayback Sadie for you Dave, gentle as a lamb and rides like you’re in a big fluffy recliner. — Ken Fortenberry

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Ken F: <<Early 20’s would be what, 2-3 years ago ? We’ll have the wranglers trot out old swayback Sadie for you Dave, gentle as a lamb and rides like you’re in a big fluffy recliner. You sweet talkin’ sumbitch!  <g  I’ll get out the yeller pages and take a lesson or two afore I get there.  Sounds good to me. Dave LaCourse

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The solution is horses. I talked to an outfitter yesterday that would be happy to accomodate us at $75 per horse for the full day. Meet him at the stable over at Deep Creek or at the bridge on the "Road to Nowhere" over Noland Creek.

        sweet jesus, surely you don’t mean "bryson city billy’s", home of the hot mustangs.  as i recall, their motto is, "grab your hat and ass, boys, and watch ‘is!"         at all costs, avoid a black stallion called "diablo", and a meek looking bay named "sadie".  instant death.         hope you guys make it. wayno the concerned – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Comments ? (BTW, I heard an unsubstantiated rumor on a chat room last night that George was going to fly in with T-Bone and a plane full of Bastard Bamboo fly rods.) — Ken Fortenberry

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Was going to email this only to those that have expressed interest in Fall Ball but, what the hell, it’s slow around here and it may be of passing interest even if you have no intention of attending. These fishing get-togethers tend to defy organization, which is as it should be. Nobody wants to put up with too much organizing. Basically those in attendance show up at the Alarka Creek house sometime in the evening, partner up and pick streams for the next day. It’s not good to have too many folks on the same stream and everybody should get a chance to fish Hazel Creek but those things work themselves out. It would be nice to have one time during the week when everyone in attendance is at the same spot at the same time preferably to break bread together. I had thought of a dinner at the Fryemont Inn on Friday night but getting everybody together for dinner can be a problem. If the hatch starts coming off at 7:30 and you’re supposed to be at a dinner back in town at 8:00… well, you get the idea. We had some very late arrivals at the ‘Clave pig-pickin’ because some folks just didn’t want to leave the stream. So, how about I float this idea. Four miles up Noland Creek, where Mill Creek comes in, is the abandoned town of Solola Valley. The Park Service has picnic tables, an outhouse and a hitchin’ rack up there. I propose a picnic lunch sandwiched between a morning & afternoon of fishing Noland Creek. There’s 4 miles of good water both below and above Solola Valley and Mill Creek holds trout too. Should be enough water for everyone if we pair up & spread out. The only problem I could anticipate, besides the weather, is that some don’t want to hike in 4 miles to a picnic and then hike 4 miles out. The solution is horses. I talked to an outfitter yesterday that would be happy to accomodate us at $75 per horse for the full day. Meet him at the stable over at Deep Creek or at the bridge on the "Road to Nowhere" over Noland Creek. Comments ? (BTW, I heard an unsubstantiated rumor on a chat room last night that George was going to fly in with T-Bone and a plane full of Bastard Bamboo fly rods.) — Ken Fortenberry

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Try the white mountains near Apache country. When are you going? Buddy of mine hit the white and black river at around 8000 feet or so in mid March, and streams were high from runoff. These rivers have the fabled apache trout, which appears to resemble a brown trout after a slipped disk operation. Nice looking fish. High water in March skunked our trip, but beautiful country, and i hope to go back. Alex Pacek – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what are the best spots in az for a flyfishing/backpacking trip?  and not the grand canyon.  thanks

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what are the best spots in az for a flyfishing/backpacking trip?  and not the grand canyon.  thanks

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If one of the products your using is Mucilin , that may be your problem. Mucilin eats away at the coating of newer S.A. lines. Grouse – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just returned from a trip to the San Juan River (great fishing/miserable weather) and have a problem I’ve encountered before and never been able to solve.  When using good quality, good condition fly line; primarily SA Mastery I can’t seem to get the last 4′-5′ of line to stay afloat.  After a couple hours of casting I always have a sinking tip line.  I always clean the line with a mild detergent, let it dry thoroughly and dress it with a variety of products (one at a time), but it alway starts to sink.  What is the consensus opinion of what I should use and where can I purchase it? Bob in El Paso

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I just returned from a trip to the San Juan River (great fishing/miserable weather) and have a problem I’ve encountered before and never been able to solve.  When using good quality, good condition fly line; primarily SA Mastery I can’t seem to get the last 4′-5′ of line to stay afloat.  After a couple hours of casting I always have a sinking tip line.  I always clean the line with a mild detergent, let it dry thoroughly and dress it with a variety of products (one at a time), but it alway starts to sink.  What is the consensus opinion of what I should use and where can I purchase it? Bob in El Paso

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I just returned from a trip to the San Juan River (great fishing/miserable weather) and have a problem I’ve encountered before and never been able to solve.  When using good quality, good condition fly line; primarily SA Mastery I can’t seem to get the last 4′-5′ of line to stay afloat.  After a couple hours of casting I always have a sinking tip line.  I always clean the line with a mild detergent, let it dry thoroughly and dress it with a variety of products (one at a time), but it alway starts to sink.  What is the consensus opinion of what I should use and where can I purchase it? Bob in El Paso

Before you use a fly line for the first time, seal the end with crazy glue.  You probably have some water seeping up the internal dacron weave. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html

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I just returned from a trip to the San Juan River (great fishing/miserable weather) [..] After a couple hours of casting I always have a sinking tip line.  

well, I keep running into it also. I think there are a couple of reasons: * the tip end being ‘open’ so the water sips onto the dacron core (someone already mentioned this) * dirt from the water collecting by the fly line’s pores all I can think up is keep cleaning the tip end of the line, keep greasing it lightly. — CU, Jay (ICQ# 29249573) — When replying, remove ‘MAC’ from e-mail address in header —

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The best product I’ve ever found for floating flies as well as the end of my fly line isn’t even made for fishing.  "Albolene" is a makeup remover or skin moisturizer or something like that.  I’ve never asked exactly what it was intended for.  It comes in a 12 ounce plastic tub for about eight bucks and can be found in the health care aisles at many drugstores or department stores.  It looks a bit like vaseline, but isn’t nearly as sticky.  It melts easily at normal body temperature.  You simply rub a dab of it between yours fingers until it liquefies and then coat your fly (or the end of your line) with it.  It really is outstanding stuff!  It won’t discolor flies, doesn’t gum them up like so many of the commercial dressings, and really does keep them afloat.  I was originally turned onto this stuff by a guy who had been using it for many years. You can also dissolve this stuff in lighter fluid and dip your new flies in the solution before you store them in your fly boxes.  Then they’re ready to use when you get out on the stream. I clean my lines with Armor All and then coat the tip with Albolene.  Works very well.  By the way, a 12 oz. jar of Albolene will last you and your fishing buddies just about for the rest of your natural lives.  Good luck! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just returned from a trip to the San Juan River (great fishing/miserable weather) and have a problem I’ve encountered before and never been able to solve.  When using good quality, good condition fly line; primarily SA Mastery I can’t seem to get the last 4′-5′ of line to stay afloat.  After a couple hours of casting I always have a sinking tip line.  I always clean the line with a mild detergent, let it dry thoroughly and dress it with a variety of products (one at a time), but it alway starts to sink.  What is the consensus opinion of what I should use and where can I purchase it? Bob in El Paso

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hello- the deschutes can be tricky. one suggestion is to try to get a elks hair caddis to the fish working in back eddies. unless you are in a boat it can be tough getting a good drift-

snip Fishing from a floating devise is illegal on the lower Deschutes (below Warm Springs which includes Madras). Jim Jones For e-mail reply replace spam with sns

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Elkhairs caddis work most all the time down from Warm Springs thru Maupin. I really love PMDs in the summer.  Sometimes they hatch so thick they cover you with a carpet of wings! Always take a variety of other mayfly. When the water is low I love the stimmulators. Bill

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Two things: 1. It’s illegal to fish from a boat (the regs say "any floating device supporting the angler", or some such, ruling out rafts, pontoons, float tubes, … as well). A boat has the advantage of allowing you to cover more river, and to get to places which are difficult to reach on foot. 2. In general, you’ll have better luck with caddis larvae and pupae than with adults. I like to fish soft hacles or emergent sparkle pupae during a hatch… Stu – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hello- the deschutes can be tricky. one suggestion is to try to get a elks hair caddis to the fish working in back eddies. unless you are in a boat it can be tough getting a good drift- but if you can figure it out you will be rewarded. when nymphing be sure to get a drag free dead drift. i have only used floating lines on the deschutes so i can’t help with sinking line techniques. i’m pretty sure there is a flyshop in madras- you can ask them what nymphs are working best. in the past i have done well with an olive serendipity. be sure and be on the water at dusk- sometimes the fish go after the caddis flies and it can be a blast. greg

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: hello- : the deschutes can be tricky. one suggestion is to try to get a : elks hair caddis to the fish working in back eddies. unless you : are in a boat it can be tough getting a good drift- but if you : can figure it out you will be rewarded. Ummm… perhaps I am mistaken, but I thought it was against the regs to fish from a boat on the Deschutes? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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How do – Just wondering if anybody has some suggestions for working the Deschutes around Mecca Flats, in Eastern Oregon.  Dry vs Wet?  Floater vs sinker?  I’m relatively new to fly fishing, though no stranger to the NW river systems.  I was down there last weekend, and only brought in one trout.  I’m by no means discouraged, but want to file this away as a learning experience, and was wondering if any kind souls here could give an example of a ‘Deschutes Recipe for success’ for this time of year. I did have a great time, but it’s always better with more fish in the hand! Thanks, Adrian B.

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I’d like to cast my vote for stronger enforcement of the anti-snagging laws.  It is still going on, although no weighted treble hooks are in evidence.   Personally, I have all kinds of cute ideas for laws that would make lifting ineffective, but without enforcement, such laws would be meaningless.  Personally, I’ve spent four days on the Salmon River this year and have yet to see any DEC enforcement, or hear of any arrests. I’ve seen plenty of lifting going on, even in the flyfishing sections of the River. I’d also like to see better and more "real-time" reporting of river conditions.  A bad report might keep me from coming up on a given day, but no accurate reporting whatsoever leaves me with a level of risk, given my 5 hour drive to get to the River.  It might be good if someone were to post the current Niagara Mohawk release reports somewhere.  I’d like to see Jim Rusher at Whittakers do this, since he seems to have the best "river-oriented" site, but I understand that the cost of Niagara Mohawk’s 900 number could get a bit out of control…maybe a Chamber of Commerce opportunity lies in here. Bob Davis

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writes: Bob,

    Thanks for your comments. The C of C would be hard pressed to fund the purchase of a subscription to the Waterline # and I’m also sure that Waterline as a business would be less than pleased. You’r right though, timely water level conditions are of the utmost importance.     I’d be happy to share any info I have on conditions, etc. as I look out my back window at the river.     Today, the rains continued resulting in continued big water. My folks landed two rainbows in the upper fly zone, saw lots of fish in Trout Brook and saw plenty of snagging (unfortunately) in Oswego.     Regards,     Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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I saw game wardens a few times this year on the river but they never seem to wander far from the parking areas.On the oswego river you see more wardens because it is a very easily accessable place to fish.They arent any more thrilled about going to work than average person so they really arent going to walk all that far to see if people are lifting farther up the river or not.I have seen many river guides lift fish and hand the rod right to there clients and of course the lifted fish was kept.Until we fisherman lose the "its going to die after spawning anyways"attitude the snagging will never stop.Maybe we should start a donate a roper program to help out the dec..

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Bill — Because NYS has finally banned snagging, I have started to fish the Salmon River, and therefore patronize local restaurants, tackle shops, etc. In my six visits so far this year, I have not seen any evidence of law enforcement. I have, however, noticed a lot of anglers who have foul-hooked chinooks and have been very negligent in their releases. Many do not bother to revive fish after they remove their hooks. In my opinion, more law enforcement and angler education is needed to help the Salmon River become a truly great fishery. Moreover, the Chamber might want to explore ways to help clean the River banks and trails from the mess of liter and old line. Such an effort would greatly enhance the Salmon River’s image and popularity among influential anglers. Lastly, the DEC should be given alot of credit for finally making a stand against snagging/lifting. Showing appreciation and support to them would probably go a long way in helping the future of the Salmon River and the people who make a living from it. PS: I refuse to patronize any establishment in the Pulaski-area that has fought against the ban on snagging (MacDonald’s, etc.). Bob Elliott, Rochester, NY – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At its next meeting in late November, the Pulaski/Eastern Shore Chamber of Commerce will be discussing the law enforcement detail here on the Salmon River. As president, I’d be interested in hearing about any FIRST HAND experiences you may have had this year. I’ll use your contributions as a springboard to open discussion. Thanks in advance, Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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At its next meeting in late November, the Pulaski/Eastern Shore Chamber of Commerce will be discussing the law enforcement detail here on the Salmon River. As president, I’d be interested in hearing about any FIRST HAND experiences you may have had this year. I’ll use your contributions as a springboard to open discussion. Thanks in advance, Bill — Bill Fling                     Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE     FAX  (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353                   Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353   ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’             ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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