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I’m planning next year’s vacation in the Florida Keys.  I was there a few years ago.  We stayed at Boyd’s Campground on Stock Island, which is right next to Key West. That was a nice spot, but this time I’m thinking of camping in the middle of the islands.  Maybe somewhere around Marathon.  Does anyone know of a nice campground in that area?

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Try Knights Key, it should be listed in the camping directories. I have never stayed there but stopped by and it didn’t look to bad. Good Luck Rambler

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Bahia Honda State Park is Beautiful. Get your reservations early though. http://www.bahiahondapark.com/ Adk Keith

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The KOA at Fiesta Key (Marathon) is nice. The waterfront sites are awesome. Especially at sunset. The interior sites are very narrow. Streetside slideouts would hit your neighbors RV. — Regards, Jim –

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I’m thinking of camping in the middle of the islands.  Maybe somewhere around Marathon.  Does anyone know of a nice campground in that area?

Try John Pennacamp SP…nice with it’s own coral reef Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) hometown.aol.com/jynndi/myhomepage/profile.html All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

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Have stayed the past 3yrs at Sunshine Key resort–just over the 7mi bridge. Waterfront sites are nice, marina with boat dock right there, gas station right there, laundry, stuff for kids to do, movies, games etc. pool.  Park is pet friendly as well.

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<< You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park GB, That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page.  Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom

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I live in a great RV park in Fl. Inexpensive as I go 6mos on and off. I rented a car last Sept  instead of taking my MH as I was told it was hard to find a spot down there. Boy  was I glad I did. US1 from Homestead to Key West was the worst slowest drive I have ever taken I’m not chicken either, I ‘v driven cross country in my MH with toad (even parked in downtown Houston). Try if you have a death wish!!  Hope I have done this right. This is my  first post

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<< You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park GB, That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page.  Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom

<http://www.kwcamp.com/winter14+daystay.htm You have to dig a little <grin. HD in NY

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That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page.  Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom You have to dig a little <grin.

Actually, they aren’t as high as I’d expected. Location, location, location…<g GB in NC

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve never been to the Keys but would like to visit sometime this winter. I would appreciate any opinions on the practicality of a winter visit in a 27 foot fifth wheel. Are there plenty of campgrounds? How horrible is the traffic? Should I pick a "base camp" somewhere out of the mainstream and then travel the rest of them or would I be OK dragging the fiver all the way down to Key West? Are campground prices outrageous during the winter? Etc. Appreciate any and all comments and suggestions. Ken

Key West definitely is not a good place for a large rig.  Unless you are military, I understand there is only one campground available, and it is not pleasant. About 10 miles north of KW is the state park Bahia Honda.  If you can get a site, that would be an excellent base camp. See my 2000-2 journal. — Carl A. http://pages.prodigy.net/chainnj/Journal.htm

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<< <http://www.kwcamp.com/winter14+daystay.htm You have to dig a little <grin. HD in NY Travel Trailer…$64.00  My hundred guess was a little high. Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page.  Are we talking less than a hundred? Tom You have to dig a little <grin. Actually, they aren’t as high as I’d expected. Location, location, location…<g GB in NC

Well, ya gotta realize, those were 14 day rates and they came from the discounted rates section. I think for regular rates you need to fill out the questionnaire. Just for giggles, I checked the discount rate for 1 to 3 days, it’s a bit different <grin. <http://www.kwcamp.com/winter1-3daystay.htm HD in NY

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Two Christmas’ ago I checked and the price was $667.00 for one week, admittedly during the Christmas/New Year’s week.  Fortunately I qualify for military FAM camps and enjoyed a week’s stay at the Coast Guard station within walking distance to downtown at $9.00 per night. — Peace, Love and Serenity, Madeleine http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/madewar/ www.anticattic.com

: << You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park : : GB, : : That’s the first park I found that doesn’t give rates on their page. Are we : talking less than a hundred? : : Tom :

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just spent 4 days at jabours over christmas.  104 a night  all taxes and extra for the kids.  it’s basically just a parking lot with hookups.  but you’re paying for where it’s at, not what it looks like. b

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I’ve never been to the Keys but would like to visit sometime this winter. I would appreciate any opinions on the practicality of a winter visit in a 27 foot fifth wheel. Are there plenty of campgrounds? How horrible is the traffic? Should I pick a "base camp" somewhere out of the mainstream and then travel the rest of them or would I be OK dragging the fiver all the way down to Key West? Are campground prices outrageous during the winter? Etc. Appreciate any and all comments and suggestions. Ken — Beck Hopkins, KA9EFE  |  Red Cross & FEMA Disaster Workers

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Are there plenty of campgrounds?

Some, yes; plenty, no. How horrible is the traffic?

It’s not nearly as bad driving from somewhere TO there as it is to find a parking place after you GET there. The streets are narrow and crowded, and real estate is at a premium, so very little of it is used for parking. BTW, the drive down from Miami is absolutely spectacular. You’ll cross countless bridges, some of which are quite long, and the views out over the ocean are something you will never forget. Take your time and enjoy the ride — you can’t hurry anyway because of the congestion and the low speed limits. Be warned: US 1 down the Keys is NOT an expressway. Should I pick a "base camp" somewhere out of the mainstream and then travel the rest of them or would I be OK dragging the fiver all the way down to Key West?

That depends on whether you want to hassle with parking every day when you drive into KW. (See above.) You may want to consider Jabour’s RV Park (you can find their web site with a Google search), which is in downtown KW and within walking distance of almost everything. That way you can park your rig and not have to drive again. It’s crowded and tucked into what looks like a back alley, but it’s a nice place and very well maintained (and safe). Note: You will pay dearly for this convenience, just like you will pay for anything you get in KW. OTOH, if you stay farther up the Keys you will also pay dearly in the hassle of finding a parking place every day when you get to KW. Either way you pay. Not to say it’s not worth it, just be ready for sticker shock. KW is not a cheap place to visit at any time of the year. Are campground prices outrageous during the winter? Etc.

They are "outrageous" (all things are relative) at any time, but worth it if you want to see KW. We’ve been there twice, some years ago, and will go again at some point when time permits. Appreciate any and all comments and suggestions.

You’re welcome. Drive safely. GB in NC

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If you are eligible to use military facilities, NAS Key West has a campground on the Bay.  Take a taxi on base to KW proper and walk or rent a bike. As GDinNC says, watch your speed,  the Sheriff and Florida HP patrol and give tickets. RVC USMC (Ret)

I’ve never been to the Keys but would like to visit sometime this

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The last time I was in the Keys, it was about $65- a night, and was not even Key West. — Ted Harris http://www.tedharris.com

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… walk or rent a bike.

Good point. When we were there we didn’t move our camper at all, once we parked it on our "campsite" (I admit I’m using that term loosely — Jabour’s is not a traditional campground in the scenic, wooded sense <g). We walked everywhere we could, except for one afternoon when we rented a motorscooter and rode it to a couple of places that were too far to walk. That took care of everything we wanted to see on KW itself. Anything you want to see elsewhere on the Keys, you can see on your way down or back up. In fact, I’d suggest taking notes on the drive down and then you’ll know how much time (if any, depending on your interests) to allow for stops on the way back up. GB in NC

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We walked everywhere we could, except for one afternoon when we rented a motorscooter and rode it to a couple of places that were too far to walk. That took care of everything we wanted to see on KW itself.

Don’t know if its still there, but you used to be able to get an all day ticket and get on and off the "Conch Train" one of those tourist trolly things.  That could save a little hoofing.  It’s a fun tour, too. It went past the cemetery which is the only one that lets you be buried with your pets. The chamber of commerce has an excellent walking tour, IIRC.   Janet The Road Princess (I only spell-check for profit) fix the return address, please

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Yup, both are still available.  Walking tours are really great! RVC

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We walked everywhere we could, except for one afternoon when we rented a motorscooter and rode it to a couple of places that were too far to walk. That took care of everything we wanted to see on KW itself. Don’t know if its still there, but you used to be able to get an all day ticket and get on and off the "Conch Train" one of those tourist trolly things. That could save a little hoofing.  It’s a fun tour, too. It went past the cemetery which is the only one that lets you be buried with your pets. The chamber of commerce has an excellent walking tour, IIRC. Janet The Road Princess (I only spell-check for profit) fix the return address, please

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Yup, both are still available.  Walking tours are really great!

As are the sunset parties and the oysters! Janet The Road Princess (I only spell-check for profit) fix the return address, please

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Blue Water Key RV resort about 15 miles from Key West is small (65 sites) quite with nice pool.  Reserve early, can be expensive.

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Anyone know a good Keys campground for the Xmas Holidays? Interested in swimming and eating, and if at all possible, privacy and quiet. Scout

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Wednesday, Carolyn and I are going to a RPI park in Moore Haven, FL. We are considering taking a car trip to the keys. We have no great desire to spend a lot of time there, but figure everyone should see the keys at least once. Since it’s 250 miles from Moore Haven, to Key West, and campgrounds are so expensive at the Keys, it seems to make sense to spend a night in a motel and drive the car at 30 mpg, instead of the MH at 7. Questions. 1. If you’ve seen one of the keys, have you seen them all? 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the keys? 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other? 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays, etc.? 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see? 6. Is there something we should know about and maybe avoid? 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing? 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean. Lon

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Questions. 1. If you’ve seen one of the keys, have you seen them all?

No way. You haven’t seen *anything* until you’ve seen Key West. Definitely go all the way down. 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the keys?

Absolutely. The drive itself is worth it. The scenery is spectacular and like nothing you will see anywhere else. Any number of long, high bridges over the ocean, connecting the little islands. 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other?

Don’t know about this time of year. Always expect tourist traffic, though, and don’t be in a hurry. You’ll go through any number of congested areas. US 1 down the Keys is *not* an expressway. You’ll be driving at slower speeds than you’re used to driving on a major highway. 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays, etc.?

Don’t know. There weren’t when we were there a few years ago. 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see?

Hemingway’s house is an interesting tour. Mel Fisher’s museum of recovered shipwreck treasures is worth the time, IMO. Be sure to walk down Duval Street (where all the bars are) for people-watching. There are some really different-looking people there. <g And be sure to be at Mallory Square (the docks) at sunset for a crazy time, with lots of street performers and counter-culture types having a good ol’ time. 6. Is there something we should know about and maybe avoid?

Everything is expensive (location, location, location) — but you can’t avoid it, so don’t worry about it. 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing?

No. Not without rushing. And you wouldn’t have time to see anything once you got there. Besides, you need to be there at sunset (see above). 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean.

Nothing will seem "reasonably priced." But it’s worth it, especially for one night. We’ve been twice and often talk about going again when we have time for a longer trip. GB in NC

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Here is a short list of some of the camping facilities:

<snipped  I think the extensive list of URL’s probably busted his cell phone minute budget.  Lon & Carolyn, find an RV park not too far away and just go for it!  Report back on the sunsets and of, course, the food. If the guy on the lake is still offering parasailing, do that, too. J The Road Princess Residentially Challenged Spelling and punctuation is up to my editors. I take no responsibility

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We’ve been down several times and find all the responses to this thread to be relevant. Whilst in Key West, we stay at the Fairfield Inn and use the trolly.

Yes!  We all forgot to tell Lon that taking a ride on the *Conch Train* is a must do.  The chamber of commerce in the heart of town used to have a free walking tour map, too, that was very nice if yo are in to architecture. J The Road Princess Residentially Challenged Spelling and punctuation is up to my editors. I take no responsibility

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Lon, everyone has been spot on about the Key’s. The only thing that was missed so far is make sure you stop and get a piece of real Key Lime Pie. If it’s green it’s fake. Have fun

I love the raw oysters down there, but Lon is a Michigan boy and, from my experience they aren’t crazy about raw shellfish .   They make this drink on the upper Keys called a rum runner which is awesome. You sit on the porch overlooking the Gulf of Mexico and watch the sun extinquish itself in the Gulf.  You almost expcet to hear a hiss and see steam.  It’s much quieter than the sunset parties on Key West, but a pleasant and memorable experience. J The Road Princess Residentially Challenged Spelling and punctuation is up to my editors. I take no responsibility

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Yes, but I have faith that Lon will not turn into a liberal. Tom M

LOL Your faith is justified. Lon

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Jim An Old Parrot Head, In the Conch Republic, Just South of Reality PS: One of these days I will have a BlueBird,, until them I read & learn here daily….

Thanks for all the links, but I connect via cell phone. Thankfully, most of the campground are covered pretty well in our directories. Add that to the fact Good luck with that BlueBird. If money were no object, I’d swallow hard and tolerate the diesel smell and noise to have one. After touring the factory, I can’t imagine any unit being built stronger. Lon

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For kicks, look over at the old and crumbling Bahia Honda bridge which parallels Seven Mile, or walk out on it to fish and think of what driving that must have been like.

Many a truck had their mirrors knocked off going across that old bridge when they passed each other. If you like fish be sure to get a fried grouper sandwich at the 7 mile grill on the north side of the bridge. Great! Dennis

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Maybe this will change your mind about Key West. I absolutely love going there – and I am a liberal. It is the only true tropical weather in the continental USA (no daily average temperature below 32 degrees). It has all of the tropical plants that go with that climate. Add historic buildings – add beaches – plenty of shops and restaurants – championship sports fishing – golf – sailboat as sunset – circus cats – manmade land of coral – beautiful blue waters – sunsets – snorkeling – flying to fort jefferson – the Cuban adventure – refugees in little boats made of inner tubes and sapplings – light houses – salvaging on the reefs – gold coins from Spanish galleons – Flaglers railroad bridges  - Duval St – museums in forts – perfectly flat bicycling – mopeds – scooters – tour ships – first class hotels – bed and breakfasts made from mahogany from old ships – old homes – the conch train – Audabon home – Hemmingway home and cats – artistic community – college kids at spring breaks – drunks – bikinis – rainbow flags – driving down route 1 to its end – and the strong presence of the gay community.

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Lon, everyone has been spot on about the Key’s. The only thing that was missed so far is make sure you stop and get a piece of real Key Lime Pie. If it’s green it’s fake. Have fun

Will do, Larrie. Thanks for the tip. Lon

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Lon 1st, if you don’t get accommodations in the Keys,,, at least get something in the Homestead area.. This time a year we are a bit full of snow birds, so your drive from Florida City to Key West can take a couple hours,,, it’s only 127 miles,, but also only one road,,, US 1,,, not a lot of traffic lights,, but few passing areas.. Here is the FAQ maintained by the crowd on the Florida Sportsman Fishing Forum: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=100907 It is full of everything you need to know,, from accommodations, to weather, fishing seasons, guide services, flora & fauna.. You should try one of our State parks,, either Long Key or Bahia Honda,, the later is only 33 miles from Key West.  There are also several KOA’s and other parks that can accommodate the biggest of the pushers… Here is a short list of some of the camping facilities: Sugarloaf KOA – http://floridakeys.net/koasugarloaf Fiesta Key KOA – http://floridakeys.net/koafiesta Dry Tortugas National Park – http://www.dry.tortugas.nation…g.htm Sunshine Key Encore Campground – http://www.encorerv.com/unique…n.htm Long Key State Park – http://www.floridastateparks.o…t.asp Bahia Honda State Park – http://www.floridastateparks.o…t.asp John Pennekamp State Park – http://www.floridastateparks.o…t.asp Knights Key Campground – http://www.seefloridaonline.co…athon You are a little late for the annual debauchery,,, we have a party at the end of October called Fantasy Fest,, based loosely on Halloween,, very similar to New Orleans’s Marti Gras,,, rather than use Ash Wednesday, we use All Saints Day,,, We encourage parents not to bring the KIDS,,, nufff said??? GB in NC hit your Q’s well,,, Here are a couple other web sites that may be of interest: http://www.fantasyfest.net/   << the official site http://www.bigeasychoppers.com/festival1.html   <<<< some pictures for the strong of hart If you fly fish,, here is a note I wrote a while back that address wade fishing: http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=95444 Good Luck,, Jim An Old Parrot Head, In the Conch Republic, Just South of Reality PS: One of these days I will have a BlueBird,, until them I read & learn here daily….

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There are Campgrounds in the Keys.. Why not just take the rig? Yes , it’s crowded down here at this time of year, but that never seems to stop anyone.

Neither of us particularly like "crowded", and would avoid the keys entirely for that reason were it not for all the great things we have heard about it. I want to see it, but don’t want to stay long. It just doesn’t make sense to either of us to drive the MH 500 miles round trip to spend one night in it. Logically, since campgrounds generally cost $50/night on the keys, we figure we can spend up to $200 on a motel and food, and still be money ahead of the game. Besides, we’ve only spent 3 nights in the last 16 months which weren’t in the MH. It’ll be like a mini vacation. <g Also, don’t worry about food, there are great restaurants every where. Take your time (It’s only one road in and out.), see the sights (Sunrise while driving over the Long Key Bridge is one of my favorites ), and enjoy. BTW – Pennekamp state Park is in Key Largo.

What are the odds of getting in next week without a reservation? Lon

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<< We’ve been twice and often talk about going again when we have time for a longer trip. GB in NC I agree with everything GB said.  It’s one corner of this country.  You have to be there at least once. Tom M

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PS we have made the grade!!!  Decenber 5th was the day. Took about a year.

Congratulations. Vote early and often. <G Lon

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<< We’ve been twice and often talk about going again when we have time for a longer trip. GB in NC I agree with everything GB said.  It’s one corner of this country.  You have to be there at least once. Tom M

You do know that Key West is the *real* margaritaville? Janet, ruining her reputation <g The Road Princess Residentially Challenged Spelling and punctuation is up to my editors. I take no responsibility

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PS we have made the grade!!!  Decenber 5th was the day. Took about a year. Congratulations. Vote early and often. <G Lon

Thanks Lon, we are very happy with our new status. regards to Carolyn from Carol and I Aubrey

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<< I agree with everything GB said.  It’s one corner of this country.  You have to be there at least once. Tom M

You do know that Key West is the *real* margaritaville? Yes, but I have faith that Lon will not turn into a liberal. Tom M

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Is it worth the trip?  Absolutely, there’s nothing like it anywhere else in the Country.  Who knows, you may like it so much you never leave.  Happened to me, and I stayed for fifteen years. Canoli

Thanks a bunch, Canoli…and everyone else who responded. That should keep us busy and expose us to just the _right_ amount of trouble. <g Lon

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8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean. Lon

We’ve been down several times and find all the responses to this thread to be relevant. Whilst in Key West, we stay at the Fairfield Inn and use the trolly. Don’t miss sundown on the pier! Peter & Anne-Marie Arnold Windsor, CT ‘95 F250 W/PSD {156 Kmi} 31 Ft Prowler Fifth Wheel NCT # 13390, The Masonic Campers

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There are Campgrounds in the Keys.. Why not just take the rig? Yes , it’s crowded down here at this time of year, but that never seems to stop anyone. Also, don’t worry about food, there are great restaurants every where. Take your time (It’s only one road in and out.), see the sights (Sunrise while driving over the Long Key Bridge is one of my favorites ), and enjoy. BTW – Pennekamp state Park is in Key Largo.

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Is it worth the trip?  Absolutely, there’s nothing like it anywhere else in the Country.  Who knows, you may like it so much you never leave.  Happened to me, and I stayed for fifteen years.

What did you find to do for a living down there? John

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 Hello, http://www.kwcamp.com/  (Key West) http://www.aokl.com/      (Key Largo)  Great 2 campgrounds, we prefer Key Largo with private beach, great sunsets,  Ardyno

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Lon, everyone has been spot on about the Key’s. The only thing that was missed so far is make sure you stop and get a piece of real Key Lime Pie. If it’s green it’s fake. Have fun

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Wednesday, Carolyn and I are going to a RPI park in Moore Haven, FL. We are considering taking a car trip to the keys. We have no great desire to spend a lot of time there, but figure everyone should see the keys at least once. Since it’s 250 miles from Moore Haven, to Key West, and campgrounds are so expensive at the Keys, it seems to make sense to spend a night in a motel and drive the car at 30 mpg, instead of the MH at 7. Questions. 1. If you’ve seen one of the keys, have you seen them all?

Yeah, you might as well go Miami and take in the sights in Liberty City. 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the

keys? It is 128 miles from Homestead to Key West 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other?

It will depend on how many morons like you, decide to kill themselves on the highway on that particular day. 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays,

etc.? Every other block, there is a red light 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see?

The Gae Bois in Key West. 6. Is there something we should know about and maybe avoid?

The Gae Bois in Key West. 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing?

Depends on how many speeding tickets you feel comfortable with. 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean.

The Mamma Jamma Inn on MLK Blvd in Liesure City. Don’t waste your time going if you want to drive to Key West and back in a day.  Disney world sounds like it would be more your speed.  If you do decide to go, the troopers always have their eyes open for out of state speeders. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lon

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wednesday, Carolyn and I are going to a RPI park in Moore Haven, FL. We are considering taking a car trip to the keys. We have no great desire to spend a lot of time there, but figure everyone should see the keys at least once. Since it’s 250 miles from Moore Haven, to Key West, and campgrounds are so expensive at the Keys, it seems to make sense to spend a night in a motel and drive the car at 30 mpg, instead of the MH at 7. Questions. 1. If you’ve seen one of the keys, have you seen them all? 2. Is it worth the time and trouble to drive the 100 miles of the keys? 3. What kind of speeds and delays can one expect from one end of the keys to the other? 4. Are there lots of red lights, traffic jams, construction delays, etc.? 5. Is there something you know of which is a _must_ see? 6. Is there something we should know about and maybe avoid? 7. If we changed plans and stayed in a camground in Homestead, can one drive the keys from there and back in one day without rushing? 8. Can you suggest a reasonably priced hotel/motel which is clean. Lon

Hi Lon, We did that Key West thing about two years ago. We parked at a Casino near Homestead and spent a night parked there  and asked them the next morning if we could leave the RV parked with them. They didnt mind so we motored down by car. It was a long drive but worth it. There are touristy things to see along the way and the part I found interesting was looking out to sea, in a S.E direction to  Cuba ,apparently 90 mi away. (According to the sign they have put up) We also stayed at a state campground and went out  to sea in a  glass bottom boat. That was "cool" Do the trip, you will enjoy it. Regards PS we have made the grade!!!  Decenber 5th was the day. Took about a year.

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Hot dawg.   The new 8 wt. is almost finished; and I can be optimistic enough about its timely completion to justify spooling some new line on the reel.   As the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing, and I’m wondering if any of you have a line recommendation.   The rod is a med. fast 9′-9" 8 wt.; and I expect to be doing a lot of roll casting with nymphs. TIA, Joe F.

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Hot dawg.   The new 8 wt. is almost finished; and I can be optimistic enough about its timely completion to justify spooling some new line on the reel.   As the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing, and I’m wondering if any of you have a line recommendation.   The rod is a med. fast 9′-9" 8 wt.; and I expect to be doing a lot of roll casting with nymphs. TIA, Joe F.

Joe, I use SA’s Nymph taper on my 9′ 6" 7 wt. for steelies.  It rollcasts exceptionally well and SA built it with a blunt taper and tip both to turn over splitshot and to float well in current.  The belly is a bit thicker than average and floats high.  It also turns over well with splitshot when overhead casting. Peter

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the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing Forgive my curiousity, but is there such a thing as warm water steelhead fishing?

No, there is cold water steelheading, and then there is really, really cold water steelheading, and then there is the "My testicles have turned blue and I haven’t felt my toes for 3 hours" steelheading. Haven’t done a lot of steelheading, but that’s been my experience, anyway. Kevin

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A good example of how everything is relative.  If I don’t have to change from my stockingfoot breathables to my bootfoot neoprenes, it’s warm water steelheading. JR — To reply, remove the Qs from the address above – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forgive my curiousity, but is there such a thing as warm water steelhead fishing?      - Ken

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As the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing Forgive my curiousity, but is there such a thing as warm water steelhead fishing?      - Ken

–Summer steelheading on the Deschutes river the water will go up to 65-67 degrees.   It’s a desert water shed mainly. Sharp Hooks, Pat Holdzit Fishing Products Inc. http://www.holdzit.com Before you buy.

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Hi Ken, I try to get people to fly fish for steelhead in the summer and fall when the water temperature is hopefully in the 55 to 65 degree range. Normally with warmer water temps and low light levels in the morning and evening Steelhead will move vertically for the fly more like trout. You could call this ‘warm water’ steelheading? Winter steelheading is an admiral undertaking, but is not for everyone. With the colder water temps in the 40 to 50 degree range, Steelhead are not as active and classic fly fishing methods are not as effective. You could call this ‘cold water’ steelhead fishing? — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hot dawg.   The new 8 wt. is almost finished; and I can be optimistic enough about its timely completion to justify spooling some new line on the reel. As the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing Forgive my curiousity, but is there such a thing as warm water steelhead fishing?      - Ken — "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness.  You have to catch it yourself."      -Ben Franklin

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Hot dawg.   The new 8 wt. is almost finished; and I can be optimistic enough about its timely completion to justify spooling some new line on the reel. As the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing

Forgive my curiousity, but is there such a thing as warm water steelhead fishing?      - Ken — "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness.  You have to catch it yourself."      -Ben Franklin

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Hot dawg.   The new 8 wt. is almost finished; and I can be optimistic enough about its timely completion to justify spooling some new line on the reel.   As the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing, and I’m wondering if any of you have a line recommendation.   The rod is a med. fast 9′-9" 8 wt.; and I expect to be doing a lot of roll casting with nymphs.

I use the Scientific Anglers Steelhead Taper on a somewhat slowish 10′ 7wt. — Ken Fortenberry

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Hi Joe, We see the largest variety of lines and rod sizes used for steelhead. We have settled down to 3 different lines for classic steelhead fishing with a  #7, 8 or 9 weight outfit for steelheading: 1)  A weight forward steelhead (very long belly and back taper) floater. These lines are designed for longer casting, longer mending and longer roll casting on big rivers.  Mastery, Rio or Orvis Wonderline. 2) A weight forward full line with a medium length (10′ to 15′ tip) sinktip line. Mastery or Rio.  We use this line in medium depths ( 4 to 8′) when it is sunny or if the water is so cold that the fish are not moving vertically for the fly. 3) A "Teeny type" very fast sinking longer sinktip (20′ to 30′ tip)  We use this line for deep runs on bigger river when the fish are holding very deep. Teeny, Mastery, Cortland, Rio, Airflow. PS: You can overline your rod if the line it calls for does not seem to be ‘loading ‘ your rod for you. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hot dawg.   The new 8 wt. is almost finished; and I can be optimistic enough about its timely completion to justify spooling some new line on the reel. As the subject line suggests, this will be primarily for cold water steelhead fishing, and I’m wondering if any of you have a line recommendation.   The rod is a med. fast 9′-9" 8 wt.; and I expect to be doing a lot of roll casting with nymphs. TIA, Joe F.

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It used to be that bucket-shop rtw’s had all the flexibility of open y-class tickets – travel when you like, but don’t plan on adding new destinations you hadn’t originally ticketed. Now there are some being offered with more restrictions. Call around – the deals on the Internet sometimes are much less attractive than you can get out of the San francisco or LA Sunday travel sections. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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It used to be that bucket-shop rtw’s had all the flexibility of open y-class tickets – travel when you like, but don’t plan on adding new destinations you hadn’t originally ticketed. Now there are some being offered with more restrictions. Call around – the deals on the Internet sometimes are much less attractive than you can get out of the San francisco or LA Sunday travel sections. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s

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Take a look at http://www.airtreks.com I note that I have not booked through them, but have had discussions and we decided that my trips have not been long enough to warrant using their services.  Overall, I found them helpful and up-front about everything. Dave P.S.  I am not affiliated with AirTreks in anyway-just a consumer looking for the best deal.

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Sounds like great fun.  I rely on www.travelocity.com for some great air fares.  I find you can even beat these fares if you actually call the airlines and seek special deals.  Korean Air has been very competative lately and my experience with all non-american airlines has been exceptional.  By the way, I suggest you bring along a few disposable surgical tools.  Both the people and the animals are very poor and suffer with ailments that just a little doctoring will help.  I brought several pairs of drug store reading glasses because I loose or break them often.  I discovered many older people who need simple eye glasses but can’t get them. I will tell you — few joys on earth equal watching a man who has not read for 10 years suddenly be able to see again.  So little to us; so much to them. By the way, Indonesia has some great climbs to volcanos.  Rhinjani on Lombok in Indonesia is a 3 day trek up and over the rim of a huge volcano.  For about $200 per person you get a guide and 3 porters who set up camp.  Trip includes wonderful waterfalls and hot springs, plus your usual monkeys, and other exotic animals.  For the best treking, you will need a guide.  They are put out when you deny a couple extra men the job of carrying food and camping equipment.  Carry your own pack, but enjoy the pleasure of a nice tent and good meals at night. Also, be prepared to cross or travel in steam beds.  Sometimes the only way up a trail is by walking in a stream.  Sneakers are great.  Waterproof camera bags also recommended; so is a big bandana around your neck.  You’ll need both. Great traveling, Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are going on a backpacking excursion through SE Asia (Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, China, Brunei, Singapore) for about 6 months. We think that we would like to have a very open itinerary, i.e.-fly to Bangkok, get around however we see fit, and then fly home whenever we’ve had enough. Our options seem to be an open-jaw to a central place like Bangkok, or one of the around-the-world type flights (which may be too restrictive for us). We’re planning everything else well, but are having trouble deciding how to actually fly. Any help or ideas out there? There are so many bucket shops offering deals, it becomes overwhelming. Thanks for all the help we’ve recieved from this newsgroup! Kevin Oppenheimer, D.V.M. and Sandy Raders, D.V.M. To reply by email, please remove "NOSPAM" from address Once you go Mac, you’ll never go back. "The curious thing about fishing is that you never want to go home. If you catch something, you can’t stop. If you don’t catch anything, you hate to leave in case something might bite."

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We are going on a backpacking excursion through SE Asia (Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, China, Brunei, Singapore) for about 6 months. We think that we would like to have a very open itinerary, i.e.-fly to Bangkok, get around however we see fit, and then fly home whenever we’ve had enough. Our options seem to be an open-jaw to a central place like Bangkok, or one of the around-the-world type flights (which may be too restrictive for us). We’re planning everything else well, but are having trouble deciding how to actually fly. Any help or ideas out there? There are so many bucket shops offering deals, it becomes overwhelming. Thanks for all the help we’ve recieved from this newsgroup! Kevin Oppenheimer, D.V.M. and Sandy Raders, D.V.M. To reply by email, please remove "NOSPAM" from address Once you go Mac, you’ll never go back. "The curious thing about fishing is that you never want to go home. If you catch something, you can’t stop. If you don’t catch anything, you hate to leave in case something might bite."

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Hello,  Steph, your geography is a fraction short. Quorn and Wilpena Pound are about 5 hours north of Adelaide, which is a good 9-10 hour drive west of Melbourne. Wilpena Pound and St Mary’s Peak are perhaps the best-known hiking trip in the Flinders Ranges, and are a spectacular walk. But take plenty of water (a litre an hour) and leave enough time to get back to camp, and take a hat. You probably won’t find much flowing water, let alone any trout in the Flinders in November! My suggestion to Cam is to try the Grampians (now known as Gariwerd as preferred by the original inhabitants of the country) for High Country. Have fun! Matthew – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November Altough it is relatively touristy and crowded (for an area where the next village can be 100 km away , you may check the area around Quorn and Wilpena Pound. It’s at the border of the outback, and still within reach from Melbourne. We didn’t have the time to backpack, but the area looked like a good place for it.   Stefanie Bruninghaus University of Pittsburgh                     Web: www.pitt.edu/~steffi 3939 O’Hara Street                           Phone:   (412) 624 – 6748 Pittsburgh, PA 15260 — USA                  Fax:     (412) 624 – 9149

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Try Sheepyard Flats, Howya Valley up in the Victorian high country – you’ll be fishing up on the Howya River for trout that are wild – they’ll be bloody wild when you catch them – no stockies in this little river as far as I know. They are small little browns, but a pleasure to fish to. I assume your fly fishing (?) – you’ll get them on small little flies with fine leaders – try a Red Tag, Geehi Beetle (Aus. pattern), Wulffs (sp?). Upstream and down is okay. If you’re spin fishing, try a #1 Celta lure on very fine line, trundled down the stream/river. If your landing in Melbourne, go downtown to the Compleat Angler and talk to the boys. Stock up on local flies and get some good oil from them. They might even suggest a better spot than I can. If you like fishing, get a book by David Scholes (Aussie author), or just get an aussie fly fishing book – worth a read – hell, get some aussie fly tying books – Peter Leuver’s one is good. Aussie patterns are good. One warning. Most Aussie bush crawls with snakes (absolutely deadly – they’ll make you really, really sick or just plain dead in a short time) and it’ll be bloody hot. Watch yourself – no hands down holes or stupid things, e.g. don’t rush when walking. Stomp around a bit. You’ll usually see plenty of snakes darting directly away from you. Don’t rush is the best bet – and you’ll be fine. Stand up on the log, look down and then stand down, rather than stepping over a log. Play it safe. Check your bedding, don’t leave your tent door unzipped. Take a hat, drink water, swim in the river and you’ll have a bloody wonderful time of it all. BTW you treat aussie snake bites differently than North American ones – learn how to treat  - (the venom acts differently, and certainly not locally – if I’m right). One other warning – don’t drink Foster’s Lager because its the worst beer on the planet and it’ll make you terribly sick (joking – about the terribly sick part, not joking about it being shitty, shitty beer). There are other better beers that don’t see the light outside of Aus. Have a great time Cam. anon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better. Thanks in advance, Cam Please respond to:

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I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better. Thanks in advance, Cam Please respond to:

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Try http://www.bushwalking.org.au/ Bear in mind that it can be quite dangerous alone in unfamiliar bush, Rescue is not around the corner. There are tourist deaths every year. I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better. Thanks in advance, Cam Please respond to:

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I’ll be traveling with a friend to the Melbourne area in November and need counsel on where we’d have our best shot at seeing open, unpeopled high country.  We’ll be backpacking, camping in tents, and will want to fish for trout if possible.  The more remote, the better.

Altough it is relatively touristy and crowded (for an area where the next village can be 100 km away , you may check the area around Quorn and Wilpena Pound. It’s at the border of the outback, and still within reach from Melbourne. We didn’t have the time to backpack, but the area looked like a good place for it.   Stefanie Bruninghaus University of Pittsburgh                     Web: www.pitt.edu/~steffi 3939 O’Hara Street                           Phone:   (412) 624 – 6748 Pittsburgh, PA 15260 — USA                  Fax:     (412) 624 – 9149

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father/son stuff snipped, unfortunately I contacted Don Bastien and arranged a weekend of fishing on Spring Creek

story of average size Spring Creek brown trout snipped (just kidding folks) Peter:  good guy and guide (I know him),  and a tribute to the stream as well. Lot’s of us are working to keep it that way. Mark Faulkner (counting the days till the end of March……)

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My son Scott, was an avid spin fisherman but he didn’t seem really enthusiastic about taking to the fly.  His biggest problem was lack of success.  Unwittingly, I had compounded matters.  When we went fishing on a really tough bit of water, from his perspective, I seemed to be able to sniff out and take fish at will while he came up empty handed. Later on, I decided that a day in PA would be in order.  I contacted Don Bastien and arranged a weekend of fishing on Spring Creek Donny met us promptly at the Bush Hotel and after the usually introductions, we headed off for the creek.  Donny had promised to take us to some spots that usually did not attract  many other fishermen.  But when we arrived at a part of the creek lined with cottages, I had my doubts.  After suiting up and walking over to the stream bank, I could see fish rising steadily and the doubts faded. Trust the guide, trust the guide. I started off with a sulpher dry while Donny had Scott nymph a deeper run.  Gradually, his technique started to improve and he began to catch fish.  With each fish, his confidence kept rising.  Later we moved further up stream and Donny put Scott onto a 17" brown which he landed and a much bigger one that broke him off.  A flyfisherman was born. Thanks Donny Peter

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question, What was your best day fishing?   I’ll preface this by saying that it wasn’t trout and it wasn’t a flyrod. This was before I started throwing expensive clotheslines into the trees.

I’m no gear bigot, a good day fishing is a good day fishing, regardless of what type of rod you are using. Later,      - Ken — "Time is but the stream I go a-fishin in. I drink at it, but while I drink I see the sandy bottom and detect how shallow it is. It’s thin current slides away, but eternity remains."     – H.D. Thoreau

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Boy this is a tough one to answer.  I have had so many wonderful days that have envoked so many great feelings. From a technical standpoint, it would have to be the day that my casting and ability to read the water all came together at once and I was able to put the fly 2 inches from the log along the bank of my favorite river on the first cast.  The wild bow came right out and nailed in textbook fashion. Big fish day would have to be the 20 pound rainbow taken up in British Columbia last summer. All in all though, I would have say that the days spent out with my 5 year old son fishing in our tiny 7 foot boat are the best.  He screams with joy when he gets a fish on his fly rod.  Good stuff to remember and I hope to spend many more years pursing trout with him.

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—–BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE—– While in non-compliance with local decency ordinances the world over, With all the negativity on this group as of late (I’ve done my share) I thought a positive thread might help with these winter blues so many of us seem to be experiencing.  So, I ask the question, What was your best day fishing?  

I’ll preface this by saying that it wasn’t trout and it wasn’t a flyrod. This was before I started throwing expensive clotheslines into the trees. Last summer, when I took my spinning rig to go after trout. Everybody said that my bass rig would never catch trout. Yeah, right. I like to do things just because they’re supposed to be impossible. Anyway, the weather was cloudy and dripping on and off. Not sunny enough to go out and shoot gophers, but I took my .22 with me just the same and almost dropped it in the river. I sat on the bank, popped open a beer, and tied on a 3" crankbait. One beer, a few casts, nothing. I got up, went to a bend in the river, and threw a few more casts. Hooked something. Couldn’t see what it was but it fought pretty good-about like a good-sized smallmouth or spot. I brought it in-it turned out to be my first ever rainbow. I didn’t measure it, but it looked to be about 16" standard length (snout to the base of the caudal fin). Released it. Finished my beer. Opened another one. Threw another few casts into that same slackwater at the bend. Nothing. I got up and moved upstream a little more. Started casting downstream, and caught another bow behind a huge rock. Brought it almost all the way in. Picked it up to try and unhook it and get a picture before I released it, but it broke off and ran off with one of my favorite crankbaits. Oh, well, I guess that’s the breaks of the game. Beautiful scenery and fishing with a cousin that I don’t see all that often… I think that qualifies as a pretty durn good day. —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNruUi5diUzdLFqlpAQE4mwf/RrzaBPK/OPVM3Ky16dsN0ybat4VqtXjy 5RyoGBhB8+nJVxHVFgniCTqbmaKpbyGFXF80cZdhnqCV9kwP0eW7VNZvlINvuijd Myq2EHR7Phzw+9PkRFlT/E8k3OdmjAPWDZkyGMmvQcEShiKFZNCSYf6RWNFEB/m6 ud3M78qAFlY+AquSBvewbIsRzCLaxxgPf8V+INMVPFa6WtIICkbNhHt2aefq+TDm gLLyWyeDx4aV3zNoLXNnNzx6XlmFECpe3GAdQ0EXh2hJIgxkHV4xqL6XO7b9Uk7J zIM49Y2hsjkr+PAH/s0blCNncOPWB0pkoPWQPLfk4d5e48bxz+3Tcg== =Upmc —–END PGP SIGNATURE—– Mike S. Medintz, http://www.grapevine.net/~medintz "I’m a liberal conservative. I believe in keeping things the way that  they should have been in the first place." -anon.

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Great story, Ken.  At least you didn’t show up for dinner with your clothes in disarray.

 No, that’s a story for another day.  (-: My best day?

[Wonderful story about introducing grandkids to fly-fishing snipped] It always amazes me the diversity this group has (probably the source of half our troubles).  Your grandkids are only about 10 years younger than I am.  I only hope to someday have what you have.  Savor it. Later,       – Ken — "Time is but the stream I go a-fishin in. I drink at it, but while I drink I see the sandy bottom and detect how shallow it is. It’s thin current slides away, but eternity remains."     – H.D. Thoreau

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With all the negativity on this group as of late (I’ve done my share) I thought a positive thread might help with these winter blues so many of us seem to be experiencing.  So, I ask the question, What was your best day fishing?  It doesn’t have to be the time you caught the most or the biggest fish, just what was the most pleasant and enjoyable day you have spent on the water.

 <Ken’s story snipped but not unappreciated I don’t want to answer your question Ken.  I love to fish and cherish every opportunity on the water.  You might ask Michael Jordan what his highest scoring game was – that question has an answer.  Let me ask you this, what was the day that you felt you were the best possible man/lover/friend/human being in your relationship with your aforementioned   girlfriend?  Would you want to live your life or conduct your relationship in such a way so that an answer to such a question could exist?  I wouldn’t, nor would I want to fish like that either.  Not trying to pretend to be some sort of mystic, or wierdo or take on the aura of wisdom of some old guy looking back on his life with tinted lenses (I believe I am the same age as you in fact).  Just how I feel about fishin’ that’s all. Later dude, Mu Young Lee         ann arbor, mi, usa

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Great story, Ken.  At least you didn’t show up for dinner with your clothes in disarray. My best day?  I’ve had a few, but the most memorable occurred last July in Labrador.   For the past two years I have been coaching my two grandsons. They are becoming good fly fishermen and I believe the bug may stick with the oldest, Jeff.  I took Jeff with me to Labrador. His eyes were bulging when the bush pilot told him to sit in the front seat of the Beaver on our flight to the river.  When we landed, his eyes got even bigger at the sight of such virgin, untouched country.  We quickly set up our rods, and we were off with a guide in a 40 hp Honda 4 stroke.  He brought us up- river to a spot I had fished the year before.  BIG brookies were rising about 30 feet from the boat, very close to shore.  I let Jeff have the first go.  The guide, Peter, directed Jeff where to cast, and Jeff did it perfectly.  His cast was just above the rising fish and exactly in the feeding lane.  I said "Now" to myself, and a big brookie came up and snatched Jeff’s Goddard Caddis.  He set the hook and away we go!  What a trip.  Jeff performed flawlessly listening to his grandpa but paying more attention to what Peter was saying. After about a five minute fight, Peter picked up the fish with his bare hand (no net),  took the hook out and released the 6 pound brookie.  I just sat there with tears in my eyes knowing that I had passed on to my grandson a very special moment. There were more fish that day and during the week, but Jeff still talks about that first fish and how he did it.  Jeff is only 15. This year, his brother Brian, 14, will go with me to Labrador. I hope we get Peter right off the plane! Dave "Pop Pop" LaCourse PS:  Oh yeah, almost forgot.  They have a sister, Danielle who is 9. I taught her to shoot this past fall and she too wants to fly fish.  It can’t get any better than this!

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Great story Ken. I wish I had a tale to tell about flyfishing with my wife. Years ago I built her a nice 8′ x 5 wt. graphite. Taught her to cast ( she wasn’t bad). But she didn’t take to it. Oh well my loss. As far as my best fishing day…there all best. Joel Axelrad

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With all the negativity on this group as of late (I’ve done my share) I thought a positive thread might help with these winter blues so many of us seem to be experiencing.  So, I ask the question, What was your best day fishing?  It doesn’t have to be the time you caught the most or the biggest fish, just what was the most pleasant and enjoyable day you have spent on the water. I’ll start… My best day of fishing was probably late last fall.  My girlfriend and I were heading to the coast to visit her mother (no, that’s not the good part).  It was one of those beautiful fall days when the leaves are in the middle of changing colors, but it’s sunny and warm enough to not need a jacket.  We were driving along the highway through the coast mountains and she suggests that the water looks perfect for fishing and that we can be a little late (god I love her).  The water was relatively low and crystal clear, perfect dry-fly water. We pulled off the road and took the rods out of the trunk.  My trusty handmade 5 weight and "her" slow action 4 weight (it’s actully mine, but I’ve long since lost it).  We found a nice little stretch with a long slow riffle.  I gave her first choice on where to start, she chose the head of the rapids.  First cast, WHAM, a 12" cutt hits my stimulator.  I bring it to hand and smile because she’s glaring at me since she doesn’t even have her fly tied on yet. [For future reference, do not repeat these actions if you wish SO's to fish with you again] I think better about returning fishing and talk a bit waiting for her to finish.  She finally finished and we returned to fishing.  A couple more casts and I’ve got another cutt.  She’s starting to look a little down.  I tell her that they are feeding along the opposite bank just outside the faster moving water.  She suggests that maybe she’d rather fish at the tail end of the rapids instead, to which I happily agree.  Some time passes with no action when I get another cutt.  Now I know I’m in trouble, so I quickly release the fish, take apart my rod and head over to her.  She, thinking that I’m wanting to leave, starts to take apart her rod. I tell her, no, I’m done fishing, you just keep right ahead.  We talked about everything and nothing much at all, I made little suggestions on how she might improve her drift, but mostly we just enjoyed the time.  She forgot all about "trying" to catch a fish, and just fished.  Trying to make the fly drop softly onto the water, trying not to introduce drag, and that’s when it happened. A silver flash and then the sound of her reel’s drag.  It was beautiful (not the fish) and I wish to this day that I had had a camera.  After a bit of a fight, she brought in a NICE 15-16" cutt.  Had we not been heading to her mother’s we would most certainly have brought him home for supper.  Oh yeah, we arrived at her mother’s house dirty and sweaty, smelling like fish and three hours late!!! All in all, probably the best day fishing I’ve ever had.  :-)      - Ken

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John: having lots of trouble sending mail to you hope this worked. John: Hey great!!!  That’s what I need. Unfortunately I’m not familiar with the magazine and finding it at the library might not be successful.  Not much saltwater flyfishing here in Wisconsin.  If it’s not to much trouble, I would appreciate the electronic version mailed to me.  I should be able to read the scanned items with out any trouble. Al Hi Al: As I am a teacher I understand exactly what you are saying.  The is exactly the information you want in the June/July issue of Salt Water Flyfishing which can be acquired at places like Academy Sporting Goods.  The article is entitled the $400 Fishing Machine Conversion. The article can be found on Page 10. The boat transformed is a OMC Lowe Roughneck model 1648VT – a 16 foot boat.  The $400 figure refers to the cost of materials used, not the boat.  I am thinking of doing this myself.  If you can’t find the magazine, I will be happy to scan it for you and e-mail it if you are set up to read picture files such as jpegs or gifs.  You can open these with your web browser.  I will also be happy to mail you a photocopy of the article if you will supply your mailing address. Sincerely, John J. McGeough – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a family man of moderate earnings and a desire for boating and fishing.  Purchasing a factory fishing rig is financially out of the question at this time.  Until the day comes where I’m able to purchase such a boat I need to look at other alternatives.  I would like to know if anyone knows of some recent articles or books on how to transform an older 14* or 16* aluminum boat in to a real fishing rig by adding floors, storage compartments, painting, installing carpet, proper materials to use etc. etc.  I see many of these so called *fixed up* boats in the used boat lots but often times the fix up job was done rather poorly and with the wrong materials.  If such an articles or other sources exists, I would be interested in knowing about it. Please E-mail me directly Thanks! Al Checkalski

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – that link is dead, Harry.  misspelling? frank As a family man of moderate earnings and a desire for boating and fishing.  Purchasing a factory fishing rig is financially out of the <snip Florida Sportsman magazine had a feature recently on such a conversion. Dunno if the story made its web page: www.flsportman.com If not, call them at 305 661 4222 This is the BEST fishing magazine in the United States, bar none. — Harry Krause EMAIL from newsgroup? Remove -nospam from return address – - – - – - – - – - "What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior!" –MP

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Hi Al: As I am a teacher I understand exactly what you are saying.  The is exactly the information you want in the June/July issue of Salt Water Flyfishing which can be acquired at places like Academy Sporting Goods.  The article is entitled the $400 Fishing Machine Conversion. The article can be found on Page 10. The boat transformed is a OMC Lowe Roughneck model 1648VT – a 16 foot boat.  The $400 figure refers to the cost of materials used, not the boat.  I am thinking of doing this myself.  If you can’t find the magazine, I will be happy to scan it for you and e-mail it if you are set up to read picture files such as jpegs or gifs.  You can open these with your web browser.  I will also be happy to mail you a photocopy of the article if you will supply your mailing address.   Sincerely, John J. McGeough – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a family man of moderate earnings and a desire for boating and fishing.  Purchasing a factory fishing rig is financially out of the question at this time.  Until the day comes where I’m able to purchase such a boat I need to look at other alternatives.  I would like to know if anyone knows of some recent articles or books on how to transform an older 14

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I am planning a trip to fish some private section of Spruce Creek, PA in April.  Since I’m new to this area, I don’t know what to expect…conditions, hatches, etc.  Any info would be appreciated. Hal Goodrich

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I am planning a trip to fish some private section of Spruce Creek, PA in April.  Since I’m new to this area, I don’t know what to expect…conditions, hatches, etc.  Any info would be appreciated. Hal Goodrich

I think that Doug Swisher filmed some of his 3M videos on Spruce Creek. If you could rent or buy these videos they will give you some insight. Fly Fishing Strategies and Advanced Fly Fishing Strategies are the titles. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Have fished it many times–was a deadbeat unemployed fella last year and I actually fished it 90 days. Don’t know where you live but before you go make sure you have the water release schedule halfway figured out so as not to ruin your day. Call ahead to the Ozark Angler in Heber Springs. Tell Jeff Hawthorne to tie you up some Red Diablos–the deadliest LRR fly.

Hi How about sharing the fly pattern receipe for the Red Diablo with us.   Thanks. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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- Hello All. I am looking for some info about the Little Red River Where to stay best spots to fish pretty much anything those you who have been there might be able to fill me in on. Thanks in advance Tight Lines Scott

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Have fished it many times–was a deadbeat unemployed fella last year and I actually fished it 90 days. Don’t know where you live but before you go make sure you have the water release schedule halfway figured out so as not to ruin your day. Call ahead to the Ozark Angler in Heber Springs. Tell Jeff Hawthorne to tie you up some Red Diablos–the deadliest LRR fly.

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We’re planning a camping vacation in Minnesota — probably central Minnesota.  What’s the fly fishing potential in this state and where would it be best?  Can anyone help.  Never been in this area before.

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We’re planning a camping vacation in Minnesota — probably central Minnesota.  What’s the fly fishing potential in this state and where would it be best?  Can anyone help.  Never been in this area before.

If you’re willing to fish for sunfish you’re about to enter heaven. If you want trout you’d have to try SE Minnesota or Western Wisconsin.  When you say central Minnesota are you thinking of the St. Cloud area, or Little Falls area, or further north? I can give more details if you’ll limit your region a little more. In general Minnesota is full of many small lakes.  Most of these lakes hold good populations of sunfish,  crappie, some largemouth bass and usually Northern Pike.  I prefer the sunfish because they’re almost always active and put up quite a fight on light tackle (3 – 5 wt.)  The standard tackle for bass is 8 wt.  You need to cast a long ways and you have to be able to pull them out of the weeds.  I’ve never tried Northern on a fly but an 8 wt, sinking line, and a big, flashy fly should work well. John F. Close

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: What about Rain-X.  It is basically Silicon based with alcohol.  It works : on winshields and I have seen it use on film projectors for similar purposes : "slickening", etc.  It doesn’t hurt the estar of the films so it might not effect : the fly line.  Any thoughts? It’s your flyline. Go ahead and try it out!  I don’t think it would be a good idea for this product. There are just too many flyline dressings out there for a similar cost. Jon Porter

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Been there, done that, works fine, no guilt (what is 1 gram of Armor-All on my line going to hurt???) Multiply that * a couple of million fly fisherpersons..

OK.  2,000 kg of Armor All in 60 Trillion gallons of water = nothing. I’m not insenstive to the need for environmental responsibility, but like everything else, it can be taken to ridiculous extremes.       Gene

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Re: armor all. I have used it for ten years and it is terrific. It still is. I havent noticed any formula change. Its especially great because its so easy to appy, so you can do it streamside if your line starts to get water logged. GREAT STUFF, and 1/4 the price of commercial dressings, some of which are decidedly "armor all-like". Dale Owens

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Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides…

As I recall, Armor-all is petroleum based? Read the label. If you wouldn’t douse your fly line in gasoline to clean it, don’t use it. -David Buschhorn

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Multiply that * a couple of million fly fisherpersons.. OK.  2,000 kg of Armor All in 60 Trillion gallons of water = nothing. I’m not insenstive to the need for environmental responsibility, but like everything else, it can be taken to ridiculous extremes.

I agree Gene. I posted that I used Armorall a couple of days ago and got a couple flames from the eco-correct crowd. I suppose they all ride their bicycles to get to their fishing holes. And I’m sure none of them use lead split shot, right? Dale

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As I recall, Armor-all is petroleum based? Read the label. If you wouldn’t douse your fly line in gasoline to clean it, don’t use it.

Uh, gee, come to think of it, your fly line is "petroleum based" too. I don’t use armor-all on my fly line for the same reason I don’t use it on my car interior.  It makes it look great for a few days, after which it dries out and looks worse than it did in the first place. — -Wayne Trzyna

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Multiply that * a couple of million fly fisherpersons.. OK.  2,000 kg of Armor All in 60 Trillion gallons of water = nothing. I’m not insenstive to the need for environmental responsibility, but like everything else, it can be taken to ridiculous extremes. I agree Gene. I posted that I used Armorall a couple of days ago and got a couple flames from the eco-correct crowd. I suppose they all ride their bicycles to get to their fishing holes. And I’m sure none of them use lead split shot, right? Dale

        well, dale and gene, add the voice of this southern liberal to your chorus of amazement:  how can these people be real.  the  enemy is their republican congressman, not someone who uses amorall on their fly line, auto, hat, or ass.         a. wayne harrison

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Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… (may not be too environmental-friendly though) — Lockheed Martin EIS Orlando, FL

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 Armor-all as a flyline dressing? No, Frank, not yet, but I use it on my rods.  It prevents  the ‘grabbing & dragging’ of mono in the rain and seems to improve casting accuracy. Grant

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: Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it : would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… This stuff is very effective as a flyline dressing. The product is a plasticizer, which is good a filling in minor cracks and scuffing on the line. It also does lube the line and make it very slippery. If you have never dressed the line before, you will see an increase in your casting distance. The line may float higher too. : (may not be too environmental-friendly though) The trick here is to buff off the excess with a clean, dry rag. When I apply the stuff to my lines, I use two coats for the first time. Let it dry, and then run it through a rag. This will remove the excess that you would otherwise see as an "oil slick" on the surface of the water. Jon Porter –If you are concerned about enviromentally friendly fishing, try products put out by Loon Outdoors. All their stuff is  earth friendly!

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Been there, done that, works fine, no guilt (what is 1 gram of Armor-All on my line going to hurt???)

Multiply that * a couple of million fly fisherpersons….. "What is 1 gram going to hurt ?" DuPont and Co. 1976 -Dan-

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Been there, done that, works fine, no guilt (what is 1 gram of Armor-All on my line going to hurt???) Multiply that * a couple of million fly fisherpersons….. -Dan-

Then divide it by 10 million miles of stream dispersing that product and factor it by the amount of gasoline you burn getting to your favorite fishing hole to see that theatrics are not a productive use of your time. Charley

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Frank Hinson) writes: Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… Used to be good for fly lines, but they changed their formula a number of years ago and you don’t want to use it on your lines now.  They will work great for a short while but will crack prematurely.  With the new coatings on the lines and the new formula for Armour-all, l the plasticisers (which keep the line supple) are prematurely released out of the pvc coating causing cracks and deteriation.  Leeches the life out of your lines. "303 Protectant" is a similar product that will keep your lines slippery longer by adding plasticisers to the coatings instead of leaching them out.  You can get it by the bottle at auto parts places or in single use pads from Orvis.                                                              Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools

What about Rain-X.  It is basically Silicon based with alcohol.  It works on winshields and I have seen it use on film projectors for similar purposes "slickening", etc.  It doesn’t hurt the estar of the films so it might not effect the fly line.  Any thoughts?

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(Frank Hinson) writes: Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides…

Used to be good for fly lines, but they changed their formula a number of years ago and you don’t want to use it on your lines now.  They will work great for a short while but will crack prematurely.  With the new coatings on the lines and the new formula for Armour-all, l the plasticisers (which keep the line supple) are prematurely released out of the pvc coating causing cracks and deteriation.  Leeches the life out of your lines. "303 Protectant" is a similar product that will keep your lines slippery longer by adding plasticisers to the coatings instead of leaching them out.  You can get it by the bottle at auto parts places or in single use pads from Orvis.                                                               Dan Dan Gracia                                                               Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… (may not be too environmental-friendly though) — Lockheed Martin EIS Orlando, FL I think the guides in Florida have been using Armor-all for over 20 years. I have never tried it. I understand that armour all used to be a very popular line cleaner and dressing, however, they have apparently changed their formulation and the new stuff cause fly lines to leach.  It is best if you od not use it. Ian Scott Wishbone Custom Rods http://credit.headwaters.com/wishbone

William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… (may not be too environmental-friendly though)

Been there, done that, works fine, no guilt (what is 1 gram of Armor-All on my line going to hurt???)       Gene

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Anyone ever tried using Armor-all as a flyline dressing? Seems like it would help reduce the friction of the line passing through the guides… (may not be too environmental-friendly though) — Lockheed Martin EIS Orlando, FL

I understand that armour all used to be a very popular line cleaner and dressing, however, they have apparently changed their formulation and the new stuff cause fly lines to leach.  It is best if you od not use it. Ian Scott Wishbone Custom Rods http://credit.headwaters.com/wishbone

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