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If you think that is weird, check out this; Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946. Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960. The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters. Both were particularly concerned with civil rights. Both wives lost their children while living in the White House. Both Presidents were shot on a Friday. Both were shot in the head. Lincoln’s secretary, Kennedy, warned him not to go to the theatre. Kennedy’s secretary, Lincoln, warned him not to go to Dallas. Both were assassinated by Southerners. Both were succeeded by Southerners. Both successors were named Johnson. Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908. John Wilkes Booth was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1939. Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names are comprised of fifteen letters Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse. Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater. Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials. Coincidence? Hardly… Your Bug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away. Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink.   Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly. Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream?

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Thanks, Wayne, Frank, Dave.   She’s out of danger now, just getting meds adjusted and the doctors popping in with contradictory opinions on when she can go home.  I think some want to keep her until they can track down the cause, rather than just letting her go when she seems okay.   It’s just wearing when everything to do with my kids or pets is always emergencies (okay, myself, too.).   When even the cats wait to get sick until the regular vet is closed, you know you’ve got a pattern going.  Although the dog never required a vet ER and my husband never even sees a regular doctor.  I have now seen the ERs of 5 different hospitals (not counting the ones I worked for in the long ago.) for actual emergencies.  Some of them more than once.   She sympathized with me about camping and fishing.  Said if she were in my spot, she’d want to go, too.  Heck, even though she hates camping and has never fished, she’d probably rather be doing that then trying to con the nurses in to taking her out for a cigarette. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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cyli writes: BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though.  

You and I would get along very well.  Hope your daughter is better. Dave

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You can’t imagine how much more I’d rather be camping and fishing than visiting a hospital.  Or listening to a getting well cranky adult around the house.  Okay, maybe you can.  20 randy old guys would be a breeze. BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless

My best to you and yours.  Hope all is better soonest. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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Mom and daughter both, HANG IN THERE!  Remember Nancy’s web site I sent you? Go there and drop her a note to let her know what’s going on with your daughter trial’s and tribulations.  I think you’ll find her a great person to "talk" to.  Her insights can be most enlightening. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks, but my next week promises to be almost as nasty as last, except it seems my daughter _is_ likely to live.  But the only day off she’s giving me from visiting her in the hospital is tomorrow (today? Sunday, anyway.).   What are the odds an apparently healthy 30 year old woman would suddenly come down with clots all over her body? Doctors are going nuts (always a good sign, means they’re working hard at discovering the cause.).  They thought she’d be coming home on about Monday or Tuesday, but complications have ensued. You can’t imagine how much more I’d rather be camping and fishing than visiting a hospital.  Or listening to a getting well cranky adult around the house.  Okay, maybe you can.  20 randy old guys would be a breeze. BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Say, the guy who was supposed to go down to Cape Lookout with me this coming weekend has to fly to Europe instead.  Lots of False Albacore and camping on the beach.  If you can get to Richmond by Thursday evening and bring your basic camping stuff, I have an extra Albacore rig and room in the car.  Just think! 20 randy old guys out on a spit of sand in the Atlantic and ONE woman!! (do you cook?)   BTW, The invitation is for reel!

Thanks, but my next week promises to be almost as nasty as last, except it seems my daughter _is_ likely to live.  But the only day off she’s giving me from visiting her in the hospital is tomorrow (today? Sunday, anyway.).   What are the odds an apparently healthy 30 year old woman would suddenly come down with clots all over her body? Doctors are going nuts (always a good sign, means they’re working hard at discovering the cause.).  They thought she’d be coming home on about Monday or Tuesday, but complications have ensued. You can’t imagine how much more I’d rather be camping and fishing than visiting a hospital.  Or listening to a getting well cranky adult around the house.  Okay, maybe you can.  20 randy old guys would be a breeze.   BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though.   — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Say, the guy who was supposed to go down to Cape Lookout with me this coming weekend has to fly to Europe instead.  Lots of False Albacore and camping on the beach.  If you can get to Richmond by Thursday evening and bring your basic camping stuff, I have an extra Albacore rig and room in the car.  Just think! 20 randy old guys out on a spit of sand in the Atlantic and ONE woman!! (do you cook?)   BTW, The invitation is for reel! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who cares? You came on with all the same errors he did, so whether or not you’re him is immaterial to those of us who are or are studying to be assholes. Maybe you were twins separated at birth? …and I`m not leaving. Okay. Your Bug Not mine.  It can take years of good posts and good manners to make me mellow out.   For my first 5 years or so of electronic communications I was regarded as kindly and forgiving.  I got over it.  For the next 5 years or so, I only took out after the occasional user who reminded me of a horde of black flies.  I got over that, too.  Now I can take offense at mere gnats, if their timing is right and their promise is of growth. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Rest Your case! Without further checking of the accuracy of your facts, this obviously proves that the asassinations were planned and performed by the same "Firm", maybe they should be a bit more inventious in their planning… There is a lawyer in the house, what do You say?? Coincidence #2: John Kennedy (Toole) wrote of a confederacy of dunces, You wrote of a confederacy against John (F) Kennedy… Weird world this! Stefan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you think that is weird, check out this; Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946. Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960. The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters. Both were particularly concerned with civil rights. Both wives lost their children while living in the White House. Both Presidents were shot on a Friday. Both were shot in the head. Lincoln’s secretary, Kennedy, warned him not to go to the theatre. Kennedy’s secretary, Lincoln, warned him not to go to Dallas. Both were assassinated by Southerners. Both were succeeded by Southerners. Both successors were named Johnson. Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908. John Wilkes Booth was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1939. Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names are comprised of fifteen letters Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse. Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater. Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials. Coincidence? Hardly… Your Bug

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away. Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink. Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly. Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream?

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Who cares?   You came on with all the same errors he did, so whether or not you’re him is immaterial to those of us who are or are studying to be assholes. Maybe you were twins separated at birth?   …and I`m not leaving.

Okay. Your Bug

Not mine.  It can take years of good posts and good manners to make me mellow out.   For my first 5 years or so of electronic communications I was regarded as kindly and forgiving.  I got over it.  For the next 5 years or so, I only took out after the occasional user who reminded me of a horde of black flies.  I got over that, too.  Now I can take offense at mere gnats, if their timing is right and their promise is of growth. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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…and I`m not leaving.

Wow, are you pathetic.  You even went to the trouble of locating the incorrect apostrophe on your keyboard.  Really sad.

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Nicely done. Though, in truth, you needn’t have bothered, as with the possible exception of Citizen Luser himself, everyone here knew he and "nolio" were one and the same pathetic moron f*ckwit… /daytripper (On him from the jump.)

It’s kind of like a sore festering under a bandage.  You know it’s ugly, but you just have to lift the bandage to look anyway. — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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find other posts from this gentleman. He lives in Iowa. However, he did make a purchase on eBay… In fact, do a search on Michael Collier, and see how common that name is. Admittedly, the coincidence is stunning. Very sloppy investigative work, though. You did not complete your research. You would get torn apart on cross-examination. Anyway, good luck, Bug. We will see how long you can withstand the constant affronts to your common sense. This is one weird place. — Citizen Fisherman I promote Waterloo rods www.waterloorods.com

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Snookered again Collier, you whacko.

I’ve come across some pathetic losers on Usenet, but Collier takes the prize.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away. Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink.   Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly.

Nicely done. Though, in truth, you needn’t have bothered, as with the possible exception of Citizen Luser himself, everyone here knew he and "nolio" were one and the same pathetic moron f*ckwit… /daytripper (On him from the jump.)

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…and I`m not leaving. Your Bug

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…and I`m not leaving. Your Bug

Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away.

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…and I`m not leaving.

Your stuff is much more interesting than the cross posted environmental drivel.

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…and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away.

Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink.   Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly. Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream? — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream?

It’s pretty popular actually.  Not something you would want to eat all the time, but it can be pretty tasty!

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Pat Gilmore ask: <<Who is in control of this news group? Finecast Murphy

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Who is in control of this news group?

Hm……let’s see now……today is the 3rd, right?  I believe this Mr. Peetah’s week.

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Who is in control of this news group?

No, but they will be on the Simpsons Sunday night. — Charlie…

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Charles Darwin

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

I would imagine that you took a little grief about announcing your pontoon boat sale on this newsgroup and that you’d like to discuss with the "master" why your ISP is giving you a hard time and what you possibly could have done wrong. Fair enough, but there is no "master". We defer to Ernie and Louie, but only because they have the balls to admit they’re actually old farts. The rest of the old farts around here are in denial. FWIW, Pat, I didn’t fire off a complaint to your ISP because that was the first bit of SPAM I’d seen from your direction and you’d explicitly apologized for it in the body of your SPAM. I don’t doubt though, that other members of this forum did not share my opinion, and sent polite complaints to your ISP. Whatever you had planned to say to the "master" you can say here in open forum. Most of us are assholes, few of us even polite, but there you go, it’s Usenet and you’ll just have to take your chances. I personally don’t mind an OCCASIONAL mention of sales and closeouts from regular contributors to this forum, but if you don’t contribute here, your commercials are not likely to be welcome here. That’s just my opinion, of course, and of the 112 regular posters here my opinion is worth somewhat less than 1/112. So, you were saying … — Ken Fortenberry

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That would be Manos. You know, the "hands of fate"? " The master will see you now……" -Muskie

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ROFL.  Good one!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who is in control of this news group? No, but they will be on the Simpsons Sunday night. — Charlie…

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… We defer to Ernie and Louie, but only because they have the balls to admit they’re actually old farts. The rest of the old farts around here are in denial.

I am SO sorry, how on earth could I have forgotten Frank Church "the masseuse magnet" and John Popp "the one man militia". Please forgive the old fart oversight. — Ken Fortenberry

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Who is in control of this news group? Hm……let’s see now……today is the 3rd, right?  I believe this Mr. Peetah’s week.

Typical, one of the worst weeks in ROFF history and it’s all my fault. Peter (counting the days to Wolfie’s week)

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

You are. — "Our eyes and hands and feet will give us the same assistance in doing mischief as in doing good; but it would not therefore be better for the world, that all mankind were blind and lame. Arms are not to be laid aside by honest men, because carried by assassins and ruffians; they are to be used the rather for this very reason." -George Campbell

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

No,no,no, Pat.  What is in control of this news group.  Who’s gone fishing in someone’s pontoon boat. Louie

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Well, and someone doesn’t give it to anyone, ya know. Who knows, but then again, he’s out fishing with someone’s boat. Ask anyone! Noone will tell you what is in control. Herman, someone too. Who is in control of this news group? Finecast No,no,no, Pat.  What is in control of this news group.  Who’s gone fishing in someone’s pontoon boat. Louie

–         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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_______  Did someone call? — George Gehrke http://www.gink.com/shopcart/index.html   affordable bamboo flyrods & blanks For the Book of Gink: : )  Fly fishing is so much fun its something you should be able to do in bed.

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Who is in control of this news group?

That would be me. What did you want, my son? Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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Lucky for you Ken, or I wuz gonna borrow one of John’s guns…… I do appreciate the remembrance tho, one does not work this hard for 67 yrs to lose ones’ old fart status to a Bud induced brain fart. <g Frank (massuese magnet) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … We defer to Ernie and Louie, but only because they have the balls to admit they’re actually old farts. The rest of the old farts around here are in denial. I am SO sorry, how on earth could I have forgotten Frank Church "the masseuse magnet" and John Popp "the one man militia". Please forgive the old fart oversight. — Ken Fortenberry

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ahem, Please cite your reference. And, it’s Chain-sign. The whole song is about stopping what you are doing to start doing it, or doing what they always say not to do – Daring to be stupid as it were. Thanks for reminding me of the song… Much thanks to Al Y. for the amusing albums. T. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who is in control of this news group? That would be me. What did you want, my son? Put down the chainsaw and listen to me. It’s time for us to join in the fight.

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ahem, Please cite your reference. And, it’s Chain-sign. The whole song is about stopping what you are doing to start doing it, or doing what they always say not to do – Daring to be stupid as it were.

Your wish is my command (it’s "chainsaw", not that I have the CD or anything): Dare To Be Stupid    Put down that chainsaw and listen to me    It’s time for us to join in the fight    It time to let your babies grow up to be cowboys    It time to let the bed bugs bite    You better put all your eggs in one basket    You better count your chickens before they hatch    You better sell some wine before its time    You better find yourself an itch to scratch    You better squeeze all the charmin you can    When Mr. Whipple’s not around    Stick your head in the microwave and get yourself a tan    Talk with your mouth full    Bite the hand that feeds you    Bite off more than you can chew    What can you do?    Dare to be stupid    Take some wooden nickels    Look for Mr. Goodbar    Get your mojo working now    I’ll show you how    You can    Dare to be stupid    You can turn the other cheek    You can just give up the ship    You can eat a bunch of sushi and forget to leave a tip    Dare to be stupid    Come on and dare to be stupid    It’s so easy to do    Dare to be stupid    We’re all waiting for you       Lets go    It’s time to make a mountain out of a molehill    So can I have a volunteer    There’s no more time for crying over spilt milk    Now it’s time for crying in your beer    Settle down raise a family join the PTA    Buy some sensible shoes and a chevrolet    Then party til you’re broke and they drag you away    It’s okay    You can dare to be stupid    It’s like spitting on a fish    It’s like barking up a tree    It’s like they say you gotta buy one if you want    To get one free    Dare to be stupid    Yeah why don’t you dare to be stupid    It’s so easy to do    Dare to be stupid    We’re all waiting for you    Dare to be stupid    Burn your candle at both ends    Look a gift horse in the mouth    Mashed potatoes can be your friends    You can be a coffee achiever    You can sit around the house and Leave It To Beaver    The Future’s up to you    So what you gonna do    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    What did I say?    Dare to be stupid    Tell me what did I say?    Dare to be stupid    It’s alright    Dare to be stupid    We can be stupid all night    Dare to be stupid    Come on join the crowd    Dare to be stupid    Shout it out loud    Dare to be stupid    I can’t hear you    Dare to be stupid    Okay, I can hear you now    Dare to be stupid    Let’s go    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid    Dare to be stupid Thanks for reminding me of the song…

Yeah, dammit, I’ve had that song stuck in my head ever since Mike put it in his sig. ,      - Ken — "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness.  You have to catch it yourself."      -Ben Franklin

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast

This is gonna be fun!

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Who is in control of this news group? Finecast This is gonna be fun!

Harry Mason www.Troutflies.com

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NATO quiet! I`m fishing.

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NATO quiet! I`m fishing.

Go fishing off the Sava bridhe idiot and uyou can learn how to fly!

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NATO quiet! I`m fishing.

Go fishing off the Sava bridge idiot and you can learn how to fly!

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NATO quiet! I`m fishing. ROTFL!  

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NATO quiet! I`m fishing.

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NATO quiet! I`m fishing.

Go fishing off the Sava bridhe idiot and uyou can learn how to fly!

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NATO quiet! I`m fishing.

Go fishing off the Sava bridge idiot and you can learn how to fly!

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NATO quiet! I`m fishing. ROTFL!  

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Where on St. John? I was there this August and didn’t see any flats, but then I didn’t get around the whole island. Depending on the size of the fish you’ll need a 7-9 wt rod and a good reel with a disc drag. Shrimp imitation flies like Crazy Charlies work well. Make sure you can cast in the wind. Hi, can anyone point me in the right direction.  I am an avid brown trout fisherman.  I was in St John yesterday and I came across a most amazing piece of bonefishing water.  The kind of place we all dream of.  Bone fishing galore and I stuck down here without my rod.  Can anyone fill me in on what is the deal with bonefishing?  Where do I start to look for more info?  I’m SOOOOO CURIOUS!!!  I want to catch me a bone!

– Charlie…

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Hi, can anyone point me in the right direction.  I am an avid brown trout fisherman.  I was in St John yesterday and I came across a most amazing piece of bonefishing water.  The kind of place we all dream of.  Bone fishing galore and I stuck down here without my rod.  Can anyone fill me in on what is the deal with bonefishing?  Where do I start to look for more info?  I’m SOOOOO CURIOUS!!!  I want to catch me a bone!

Hi All, I heard there were bonefish flats off of Mosquito Island, Peter’s Island and Anegada Island. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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My "go to" outfit for the flats: an 8wt sage fitted with 9wt shooting head – intermediate. Loads quick, casts well in a wind, can get 90 ft in calm. Reel: Abel 3, but probabably would do better with an Abel 2. So long as you can put 150 yds of backing on it. You’ll need it. Leader: 9 ft, with a 4′ tippet of fluorocarbon 10lb test. Now, the fly: Never have had great luck with Charlies. Ultra Shrimp in size 4 to 1/0 puts a nice piece of meat in their sight. What’s the deal about a bonefish? Once yo hook one, you’ll wonder why you ever asked such a question. Good luck! FlyFisherRay

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I, too, am an avid brown and rainbow trout fisherman, and for help with bone fishing, e-mail me. I know a guide. I’ll find his e-mail address.

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Hi, can anyone point me in the right direction.  I am an avid brown trout fisherman.  I was in St John yesterday and I came across a most amazing piece of bonefishing water.  The kind of place we all dream of.  Bone fishing galore and I stuck down here without my rod.  Can anyone fill me in on what is the deal with bonefishing?  Where do I start to look for more info?  I’m SOOOOO CURIOUS!!!  I want to catch me a bone!

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looking for stream conditions and fly patterns to use in the northwest SC, northeast  GA, southwest NC area.  have not been flyfishing long and have a desire to get that first fish!!! thanks

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looking for stream conditions and fly patterns to use in the northwest SC, northeast  GA, southwest NC area.  have not been flyfishing long and have a desire to get that first fish!!! thanks

Hasn’t rained in a while so the creeks I was on last weekend (in the Blue Ridge WMA in N GA) were about normal. Got a few takes on bwo and elk hair caddis but didn’t see any rising fish. — Charlie…

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looking for stream conditions and fly patterns to use in the northwest SC, northeast  GA, southwest NC area.  have not been flyfishing long and have a desire to get that first fish!!!

Try the Chattooga River access at Burrell’s Ford from GA and SC.  I’d recommend getting the Chattooga River Wild and Scenic River Map published by the Forest Service.  The river is very fishable now and you can check the water level at the USGS web site.  This river normally runs 2 to 3 feet, if it is above 5 feet don’t waste your time.  Humpy’s and Elk hair caddis are good in the pocket water, and Hare’s ears are good in the pools.  I caught a really nice Brown a couple of weeks ago in the West Fork of the Chattooga.  However, the casting is tight and may not be what you are looking for if your new to the sport.  I also like to fish upstream of the West Fork up toward Elliott Rock (which is the border with NC).  The river is pretty wide with plenty of room for a backcast. It is a couple of mile hike upstream of Burrells Ford and most of thebait fishermen won’t make the trip.  Good Luck. Patrick

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it is not uncommon for trout to jump out of  the water for food.  I once wrapped a fly around a branch and it was swinging about 4" above the water.  I was about to wade over to the fly when a rainbow jumped up and neatly hooked himself. — Remove NOSPAM to send E-mail Ernie Harrison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As the flies neared the water, small rainbows would invariably leap out of the water and grab the fly while it was still a few inches in the air.  We hooked quite a few and eventually tired of "shooting the fish in the barrel."  Other people who were in our group had fished a lake that day and had a hard time believing the story.  

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As the flies neared the water, small rainbows would invariably leap out of the water and grab the fly while it was still a few inches in the air.  We hooked quite a few and eventually tired of "shooting the fish in the barrel."  Other people who were in our group had fished a lake that day and had a hard time believing the story.

This past June, I fished Corbett Lake near Merritt, British Columbia.  The lake is stocked with two strains of rainbows.  One strain eats a lot of snails, and gets quite big, but fights without a lot of jumps.  The other strain, more insectivorous, is the wildest leaper, and strongest strain of trout I have ever caught.  At least a couple of times a day during my four day stay on the lake, I would witness trout, some up to 6-7 pounds leaping as much as THREE FEET out of the water to nail damsel flies.  One of these surface to air missles did its thing about five feet away from me while I was out in my float-tube.  Man do I ever wish I had a picture of that! Troy

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it is not uncommon for trout to jump out of  the water for food.  I once wrapped a fly around a branch and it was swinging about 4" above the water.

Isn’t what Irish style dapping* is all about ? —      ~adj~

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Re air borne takes! There is a well tried and tested technique for boat fishing in lochs/loughs here in Scotland/Ireland called dapping. Basically you use a very long fly rod , maybe 15 feet in length – (cheap telescopic rods are available for those who want to try it out with out a lot of cost) a floss type of line with a monofilament  leader. You use a very bushy dry "dapping" fly, or even a natural- a daddy long legs or even a grass hopper. As you drift downwind, you sit with your back to the wind and hold the rod up high so the fly touches the top of the waves and is blown up in a gust, and settles on the surface in wind lulls. You dont need to cast as such- takes are violent, often missed but on a breezy day can be very productive. I also have a friend whose father was lucky enough to own an island in a beautiful Lough ( Lough Erne in Co.. Fermanagh N Ireland). They had a mobile home on the island – the only structure there – and were out  boat fishing one summer dawn. The surface was like a mirror- but boiling with rising fish as far as the eye could see- but for 20 minutes they could not touch one, then the rise died.  Still they went back for a lovely breakfast on the 3 lb.. brownie who committed suicide – it jumped into the boat and perhaps through frustration they gave it the last rites and enjoyed their meal!  Gillaroo

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Every Fall I am able to watch the AIM-9 Ballet on the Mccloud in Northern California at Ash Camp.         Harv

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That’s a pretty good description of dapping. The only other thing I would add is that it works even better if you use two flies. The flies have to be big (Bivisibles will do – we call them Loch Ordies) and you connect the point fly to the second fly with about 3-4 feet of heavyish tippet. The point fly isn’t dressed and so tends to stay subsurface. The second fly is treated with floatant and tied directly to the end of the leader. The trouble with dapping is that you need a good wind, and with only one fly it tends to spend most of its time about six feet up (where not even a rocket-propelled trout can get it). With an anchor fly, the floating fly still jumps about, but stays near enough the water, and with good luck, it will confine itself to skating on the surface. On a good day, dapping can be terrifically exciting – you have to remember not to strike until the fish has gone down. On a bad day, watching paint dry is more fun. If you ever try it, make sure you have a good steady wind. You can take salmon on the dap, and probably steelhead too, I would think. The real old timers use two live mayfly on the hook, but this needs real expertise. Andrew Associate Editor, Waterlog Magazine http://www.demon.co.uk/medlarpress/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Re air borne takes! There is a well tried and tested technique for boat fishing in lochs/loughs here in Scotland/Ireland called dapping. Basically you use a very long fly rod , maybe 15 feet in length – (cheap telescopic rods are available for those who want to try it out with out a lot of cost) a floss type of line with a monofilament  leader. You use a very bushy dry "dapping" fly, or even a natural- a daddy long legs or even a grass hopper. As you drift downwind, you sit with your back to the wind and hold the rod up high so the fly touches the top of the waves and is blown up in a gust, and settles on the surface in wind lulls. You dont need to cast as such- takes are violent, often missed but on a breezy day can be very productive.

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The real old timers use two live mayfly on the hook, but this needs real expertise. Andrew

Of course you can also dap with Daddy-long-legs (Crane flies). I was out dapping an artificial on Loch St. John’s, Caithness, during a good fall of the naturals and getting no offers. I added the natural to my detatched body artificial, and a brownie managed to remove that without me feeling any contact. How do the DO that? Got a few later when the breeze got up a bit tho. Pete Marrow   work:  http://www.gsrg.nmh.ac.uk/   play:  http://www.gorp.com/gorp/activity/scottish_ff_faq.htm

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maybe it fell off?

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I was getting my usual beating by the fussy trout of the East Branch of the Croton (Westchester county NY) during a mixed midge/BWO hatch last week when I noticed the strangest thing: the fish were keying, not on emergers or cripples or even just-hatched duns–the usual suspects–but on low-flying adults that had finally gotten airborne. I watched two good-sized trouts eyeball these dipping, skipping flies and nail them mid-air–anywhere between 1/2 to 2 inches off the surface of the water…and this with plenty of bugs stuck in the film or on their way up. Anyone else see this surface-to-air behavior before (not counting chasing after Caddis pupae where it’s the momentum of the chase that carries the trout out of the water)? If so, what presentation do you suggest to keep a BWO up in the air in front of the fish’s feeding zone?

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Last summer, I was standing on the shore of a lake north of Sudbury, Ontario watching rising brookies and clouds of tricos backlit by the setting sun.  Occasionally I would see a fair sized brookie jump clear of the water.  I could not understand why on earth a 12-14" brookie would jump for a size 24 trico.  Then I saw the object of their desires.  Huge dragonflies were crusing the trico hatch, picking them off.  As one flew a bit too low, a brookie jumped clear of the water after it, just missing it. While some were content to sip tricos, others were clearly after bigger game. On the Grand River, I had a small brown nearly land in my lap.  I think it was chasing emerging green drakes.  It made one jump for a rising dun about five feet from me, fell back into the water and immediately took off after another right at my feet, jumping directly at me.  I literally looked right down its throat.  I could only imagine it giving the fishy equivalent of "Oh shit!" when it saw me. It certainly didn’t hang around long! Peter

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I was getting my usual beating by the fussy trout of the East Branch of the Croton (Westchester county NY) during a mixed midge/BWO hatch last week when I noticed the strangest thing: the fish were keying, not on emergers or cripples or even just-hatched duns–the usual suspects–but on low-flying adults that had finally gotten airborne…. Anyone else see this surface-to-air behavior before….

Stephen         Yeah, on  a mid-Wisconsin stream once when the big white flies we get here that I at least imitate with "White Millers" were bouncing around. (I could go look up the scientific name of the bug but am too lazy. They are something like "Euphoren Leukons.") I too found no good way. Tried siliconing up a few to the max and then skating them very fast and if I recall got a few, but I certainly did not feel I had cracked the puzzle. God knows why they were doing it, there were enough emergers on the surface. Maybe they were just like well-fed cats that won’t go near anymore static food but if a tidbit dances by they just can’t resist. Reminded me of one of Robert Traver’s stories in one of his books about two buddies of his who made a haul of trout by one on either bank of a stream and then stringing a line above the water from which they dangled a fly. That sounded like crap to me then, and still does, but, like you, I have now seen that the underlying phenomenon is real. Cheers, TB

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Last September I packed into the John Muir Wilderness.  Two of us fished a small stream (you could step across it in most places) at about the 9,500′ elevation.  We found a few pools about the size of a large bathtub.  The pools were surrounded by brush and we had to lean over and dangle our dry flies over the water.  As the flies neared the water, small rainbows would invariably leap out of the water and grab the fly while it was still a few inches in the air.  We hooked quite a few and eventually tired of "shooting the fish in the barrel."  Other people who were in our group had fished a lake that day and had a hard time believing the story.  I’d put my money on Traver’s story.

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during a mixed midge/BWO hatch last week when I noticed the strangest thing: the fish were keying, not on emergers or cripples or even just-hatched duns–the usual suspects–but on low-flying adults that had finally gotten airborne. Anyone else see this surface-to-air behavior before (not counting chasing after Caddis pupae where it’s the momentum of the chase that carries the trout out of the water)?

Yes, on a few occasions I have had fish come out of the water to take a fly before the fly had touched down. Usually in high-mountain streams where the seasons are short and feeding is heavy. Besides seeing trout do taildances to feed on caddis hatches, I have seen trout come out of the water to take large adult stoneflies. If so, what presentation do you suggest to keep a BWO up in the air in front of the fish’s feeding zone?

The only times I have had fish come up to a suspended fly (compared to one that was still falling to the surface) were in very windy conditions. Getting the fly to hang over the water in a 30 mph wind was no problem. I just could not get the damn thing *down* to the fish as it danced across the surface of the water chasing my fly! It was fun to watch, though! Aside from suspending fly and line in strong winds (perhaps carry an enormous fan like the kind used in film studios?) the only thing that might work would be to use a *very* stiff, wire-reinforced line so you can lower the fly to the fish when it comes up for it. Not sure how one would spool that, though… Good luck. I’ve been pondering this same dilemma a long time myself, and haven’t really found a solution. In fact, having been met with howling derisive laughter at what was apparently taken as a feeble attempt at lying whenever I mentioned this, I haven’t even admitted to it in a good while. Cheers, Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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Just a note about this group first, enjoy reading it very much, seems very polite which is unusual compared to other groups, enjoyable to say the least. I have seen this before but was lucky to catch the 4lb brook trout that acted like a SAM. I had the boat anchored about 5 feet upstream from a large rock and the wind was blowing about 35 MPH. I was using a 15 foot leader and was letting the wind carry the leader and fly. Downstream from the rock was a glassy area that is common as you realize and the combination of the wind and leader lenght, I was able to hover the fly over and around the glassy area. It only took about 3 or 4 minutes for the fly that was hovering about 5 inches above the water to be spoted by the brookie, next thing I saw was this darn fish leaping from the middle of the glassy area and take the fly, surprised the hell out of me and my fishing buddy and it took awhile to land the fish as we were laughing ourselves silly. Just incase you were wondering where I got the 4lb brookie, 60 miles SE of GooseBay labrador, No-Name lake. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone else see this surface-to-air behavior before (not counting chasing after Caddis pupae where it’s the momentum of the chase that carries the trout out of the water)? If so, what presentation do you suggest to keep a BWO up in the air in front of the fish’s feeding zone?

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We’re looking to go fishing in Spain next spring. Having given up on the guide books I am keen to find out if anyone has been or knows of  any places to go to etc. Thanks James

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We’re looking to go fishing in Spain next spring. Having given up on the guide books I am keen to find out if anyone has been or knows of  any places to go to etc. Thanks James

James… I met a Spanish trout fishermen on the internet who may be able to give you some leads. His name is Paco…and he can be reached at If you go, let me know. Bob

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James, The world’s largest (sales volume) flyfishing store is in my hometown and the people there are incredibly helpful.  Give them a call between the hours of 9 and 6. Good luck.  The name of the store is Bob Marriott’s and the number is 714-525-1827.

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Family member recently received as a gift from his father, a bamboo fly rod manufactured by Horrocks-Ibbotson, Utica, NY. We are looking for any information about the age and/or value of this rod. It’s 9′ long with all guides in tact. Thanks for any information any of you can provide about this. Jim McMillan Jim McMillan, Internet Training Specialist Cooperative Extension Service, University of Illinois 548 Bevier Hall, 905 S.Goodwin, Urbana, IL 61801 **** (217) 244-0346 (O) **** (217) 837-2610 (H)

Jim: I have a friend who is a bamboo rodmaker and he knows a lot of the historical info on a variety of rods.  If he can’t tell you anything he probably can point you to someone who can.  Call Steve Roche at (916) 258-2849. Good Luck!! Paul

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Family member recently received as a gift from his father, a bamboo fly rod manufactured by Horrocks-Ibbotson, Utica, NY. We are looking for any information about the age and/or value of this rod. It’s 9′ long with all guides in tact. Thanks for any information any of you can provide about this. Jim McMillan Jim McMillan, Internet Training Specialist Cooperative Extension Service, University of Illinois 548 Bevier Hall, 905 S.Goodwin, Urbana, IL 61801 **** (217) 244-0346 (O) **** (217) 837-2610 (H)

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H&I made hundreds of thousands of rods. I think they were #2 behind Montague in number sold.   They also had a seemingly infinite number of grade and models. From exceedingly cheap to some pretty decent rods. I would need some info on what the incription on the rod said to start giving you a value. Due to current fashion the 9′ rods are worth a bit less than the shorter lengths. A.J.Thramer Bamboo rodbuilder

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Family member recently received as a gift from his father, a bamboo fly rod manufactured by Horrocks-Ibbotson, Utica, NY. We are looking for any information about the age and/or value of this rod. It’s 9′ long with all

Current prices for this well-known line of US rods on http://www.gorp.com/bamboo.html — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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James: All I can add to the other replies on this is that the rod certainly won’t have great monetary value, even if it turns out to be one of H-I’s better models.  I don’t recall ever seeing an H-I rod sell for more than about $250, and maybe not more than $150 for the nine-footers, which, as somebody else noted, were made in the largest numbers and are not much in demand these days.  On the other hand, I have a couple of better H-Is that cast decently, so you should try it out and perhaps find you have one of the high-end models.  Good luck. George Black

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I will be in Galveston, Tx in the 2nd week of october.  Any good sight fishing in the shallows for redfish?? Is there wading access from shore? Do I need a boat??

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Call ANGLER’S EDGE in Houston and ask them to help you set up a guide for the Galveston area. Or you may want to head two hours south for Port O’connor flats fishing, or Rockport, for even clearer water. If you are going to Rockport, fish with Chuck Naiser – a fly-fishing-only guide who will do a great job for you. You can see Naiser on the full page SAGE ads in the saltwater fly fishing magazine. Naiser’s # is 512-729-9314.

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My girlfriend has asked me to teach her how to flyfish.  I’ve been an avid flyfisherman for three years now.  I feel I’m good enough to tie knots in the air with the best of them . A few questions: 1. I don’t want to spend a lot of money for a rod/reel that she may lose interest in so I’m going to get something that I can use in the future (if necessary).  Any opinions on the prepackaged everything-you-need-to-start-NOW rod/reel/line combos?  I’ve seen some ranging from $30 to $200. Quality is an issue. 2. She asked if being left-handed would make a difference.  It had never occurred to me that I routinely cast with either hand, depending on the situation (ie, how many flies I’ve lost in the tree to my right-rear).  Retrieving is always done with rod in right/reeling with left.  Just curious if any left-handers have had any problems learning or buying equipment. 3. Women’s waders: I haven’t been able to find any in stores around here (Grand Rapids, MI).  Any experiences with mail ordering women’s waders (good or bad) would be helpful.  She will use the waders irregardless of fishing since she’s into fisheries biology.  Looking for good 4mm or 5mm neoprene. I read the thread from a few months ago about teaching the Significant Other how to flyfish. Interesting advice that will be taken to heart. Thanks in advance. Tight lines, Brian Austin

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My girlfriend has asked me to teach her how to flyfish.  I’ve been an avid flyfisherman for three years now.  I feel I’m good enough to tie knots in the air with the best of them . (snip) 2. She asked if being left-handed would make a difference.  It had never occurred to me that I routinely cast with either hand, depending on the situation (ie, how many flies I’ve lost in the tree to my right-rear).  Retrieving is always done with rod in right/reeling with left.  Just curious if any left-handers have had any problems learning or buying equipment. Tight lines, Brian Austin

In terms of _learning_ to cast, my advice would be to stand in front of your girlfriend and have her "mirror" what you’re doing to get the timing, or stand to her left so she can see what you’re doing.  Or, get a copy of Ed Jaworowski’s book on casting (the best ever, IMHO). Enjoy! Doug Stewart

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Brain. I suggest you bring her to my small ranch in Montana. Hawley Mountain Ranch max guests 24 is in the Absaroka Wilderness 25 miles north of Yellowstone Park. You can fish the Boulder River, horse back ride, hike or just read a book. This summer I caught so many fish that—ok I also hurt my right arm moving rocks–my right arm hurt so I had to learn to teach fly fishing with my left. So now when I go to the stream either arm works.  As far as teaching your girlfriend to fish , I taught my first wife to drive. Will enought said on that point. I did teach Ellen new wife of 10yr. how to fish when she was a girlfriend. First time on the stream she caught and released 6 before I got a fly on— so be careful!!!  Enjoy her and the outdoors thats what life is about.                       Your Montana Friend!!!                          Bryant Blewett BBlewett

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