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This isn’t much of a trip report.  No fancy destination, no flowery prose, just a working man’s day off fishing for bluegills. I have a few ’secret’ spots for coldwater fishing in Massachusetts, but there’s nothing secret on weekends.  I usually wait until Tuesday or Wednesday to go stream fishing, to give the fish a chance to recover from the weekend beating they take, and to avoid the crowds.  And if it’s raining, so much the better.  It’s like getting a tennis court back in the seventies during the tennis craze.  The only time you could get court time was when it was raining. So, I pass on the crowded streams, and go bluegill fishing.  That’s actually a misnomer: we have lots of panfish species, and it’s not possible to target one particular species, and there’s a lot of interbreeding, so it’s often hard to know what you’ve caught.  But the bluegills are the predominant species in most of the ponds I fish and so get the mention. Jimmy and I ‘found’ this pond about 5 years ago.  Note the Massachusetts use of the word found.  You don’t find anything around here that hasn’t been found by a couple hundred thousand people before you.  But this pond just happens to be about half way between our homes, and we decided at the last minute one evening several years ago, that all of our usual choices were too far for at least one of us, and we opted to meet in the middle to check out Ninemile.  Now we’re regulars. I have a long term fascination with developing the ultimate fly to use on Ninemile.  The pond has a small number of mayflies and caddis, but the predominant species are midges and the dragon and damselflies that feed on them.  We’ve done really well over the years using damselfly nymph imitations and the Ausable Wullf which I think looks like an emerging damselfly.  I did really well one night a few years ago with a floating damsel tied by Charlie Wilson for the 2000 Great Roff Flyswap http://gula.org/roffswaps/detail.php?page=FS2000&id=23 Since then I’ve been experimenting a lot with foam and this year I’ve been using variants of Gartside’s Gurgler.  Up until last Friday I had been experimenting with colors and tails and bodies trying to come up with something easy to tie, visible, durable (able to stand up to a couple hundred fish…), and successful.  Yesterday I made a breakthrough, and moved away from damsel imitations:  I made the Gurgle Frog.  If you’re in the DDFS 2002 swap, you’ll be getting one in the mail in a couple of weeks. The fly is extremely simple: a pair of grizzly hackles for a tail (tied splayed out to the sides – they pulse like legs when you pop the fly), chartreuse Estaz for the body, and green foam for the back and gurgler head. You can see the fly in use at http://gula.org/ninemile.html I caught 4 different species of fish last night, including a big white perch that jumped out of the lily pads as it grabbed my fly.  I got pictures of a couple of really beautiful fish: a bluegill and a pumpkinseed.  If you were ever confused by panfish identification, the pics should show the difference (at least in the males). http://gula.org/images/bluegill.jpg http://gula.org/images/pumpkin.jpg –Stan

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flowery prose, just a working man’s day off fishing for bluegills.

This is what we call brim fishing where I live in Texas. I am looking forward to receiving your fly and will copy it and let you know how it works around here. I hope you will give mine a try as well. I find that tails made of the fur cut off a zonker strip are more durable than any of the other tails that I have tried. Last week I had to order another thousand of the mustad 3366 size 8 hooks that I use for tying these foam bugs. It is kind of difficult to find a better hook…especialy at less than 26 bucks a thousand! I give a lot of these things away. Big Dale

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is what we call brim fishing where I live in Texas. I am looking forward to receiving your fly and will copy it and let you know how it works around here. I hope you will give mine a try as well. I find that tails made of the fur cut off a zonker strip are more durable than any of the other tails that I have tried. Last week I had to order another thousand of the mustad 3366 size 8 hooks that I use for tying these foam bugs. It is kind of difficult to find a better hook…especialy at less than 26 bucks a thousand! I give a lot of these things away. Big Dale

The generic name for all panfish here in the Connecticut Valley is ‘kivvers’.  ’Brim’ is the edge of your coffee mug<g. I can’t imagine buying a thousand hooks of one model.  Last summer I used a single Orange Woof (orange foam Ausable Wullf descendent) for almost two months… –Stan (taking ‘frugal yankee’ to the next level)

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Stan wrote :snipI can’t imagine buying a thousand hooks of one model.  Last summer I used a single Orange Woof (orange foam Ausable Wullf descendent) for almost two months…

I find that these flies are extremely durable and is I tie my knots well( a big if) and I don’t stick them in a tree, they will catch hundreds of fish, but I give most of them away and I also use that hook for tying skinny water clousers and Richard Hart’s Ghost Minnows as well. I also use all three patterns in salt water with those hooks and simply throw them away at the end of the day. Both the skinny water clousers and the ghost minnows are tied so sparsely that they don’t last long. I only tie simple guide type flies that catch lots of fish. Still most of the flies that I tie are given away to kids who watch me tie. It is a hell of a lot of fun. Big Dale Big Dale

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This isn’t much of a trip report.  No fancy destination, no flowery prose, just a working man’s day off fishing for bluegills.

…and that’s as well written a beginning to a tall tale as ol sam clemens could ever hope to deliver as an introduction to his fine and special journeys. thanks for letting me tag along.  it’s interesting to see the different coloring of panfish, and the bream, bluegills and crappie. those i’ve managed to surprise down here in nc have been as much fun to catch and admire as the bass and trout… plus, i usually can enjoy refreshments *during* the adventure. jeff

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This isn’t much of a trip report.  No fancy destination, no flowery prose, just a working man’s day off fishing for bluegills. I

        maudlin.         your friend in the old north state wayno

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[flowery prose snipped] You can see the fly in use at http://gula.org/ninemile.html

Well, barely. Any chance you could take a snap of one and post it up? tia /daytripper (Chillin’ on the Merrimack)

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You can see the fly in use at http://gula.org/ninemile.html Well, barely. Any chance you could take a snap of one and post it up?

Not immediately – I only tied two and I hung mine in a tree and Jim lost his in the weeds.  I’ll tie up some fresh ones later today (I committed to tying 17 for the swap) and I’ll try to take a picture.  Unfortunately, the camera I use is a cheap autofocus (Canon A40 – pretty nice small 2Mpixel) and it has trouble focusing on small items in macro mode (but I’m getting better at it).  I’m using Dave Price’s suggestion of using a gallon milk jug as a diffuser and putting a few hundred watts of light around it.  All I have to figure out is how to give the autofocus a bigger target.  One of my sample fly photos is at: http://gula.org/roffswaps/detail.php?page=DD2001&id=9 –Stan

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Unfortunately, the camera I use is a cheap autofocus (Canon A40 – pretty nice small 2Mpixel) and it has trouble focusing on small items in macro mode

How is the A40 on ‘grinning doofus’ shots? I’m thinking about getting one to take to the Henry’s Fork (in addition to my CoolPix 880) primarily because Canon makes a waterproof case for the A40 so I could carry it safely on stream. Thanks. — Charlie…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You can see the fly in use at http://gula.org/ninemile.html Well, barely. Any chance you could take a snap of one and post it up? Not immediately – I only tied two and I hung mine in a tree and Jim lost his in the weeds.  I’ll tie up some fresh ones later today (I committed to tying 17 for the swap) and I’ll try to take a picture.  Unfortunately, the camera I use is a cheap autofocus (Canon A40 – pretty nice small 2Mpixel) and it has trouble focusing on small items in macro mode (but I’m getting better at it).  I’m using Dave Price’s suggestion of using a gallon milk jug as a diffuser and putting a few hundred watts of light around it.  All I have to figure out is how to give the autofocus a bigger target.  One of my sample fly photos is at: http://gula.org/roffswaps/detail.php?page=DD2001&id=9 –Stan

Assuming you respect the focusing range of the camera, the rest is all a matter of contrast. But you can create contrast where there is little. Use a ruler and a black magic marker to draw a bunch of bold, parallel lines across a section of smooth white card stock. Space the lines by about a 1/4". With the fly in the vise and your camera on the tripod, hold the card on the vertical plane and parallel to the hook shank, anywhere in the camera frame. Half-press the shutter release and hold it there while you remove the card, then fully press the shutter release. Even better, use your camera’s remote release (if it has one)  to take the shot, to avoid the shakes. Note that some cameras use vertical features in the fov to autofocus, while others may use horizontal features. That’s an easy experiment to conduct (or you may rtfm, of course cheers /daytripper (more than one way to teach them electronics…)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Use a ruler and a black magic marker to draw a bunch of bold, parallel lines across a section of smooth white card stock. Space the lines by about a 1/4". With the fly in the vise and your camera on the tripod, hold the card on the vertical plane and parallel to the hook shank, anywhere in the camera frame. Half-press the shutter release and hold it there while you remove the card, then fully press the shutter release. Even better, use your camera’s remote release (if it has one)  to take the shot, to avoid the shakes. Note that some cameras use vertical features in the fov to autofocus, while others may use horizontal features. That’s an easy experiment to conduct (or you may rtfm, of course

Good suggestion.  I was trying some similar things.  The A40 has an autofocus lock button so you can set the focus (maybe) and move things around a little.  Also has two auto timers for avoiding the shakes.  A very nice little camera.  Also has manual overrides for everything except the focus… Thanks. –Stan

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Unfortunately, the camera I use is a cheap autofocus (Canon A40 – pretty nice small 2Mpixel) and it has trouble focusing on small items in macro mode How is the A40 on ‘grinning doofus’ shots? I’m thinking about getting one to take to the Henry’s Fork (in addition to my CoolPix 880) primarily because Canon makes a waterproof case for the A40 so I could carry it safely on stream. Thanks. — Charlie…

I really like the A40.  About the only negative thing I’ve read about it (and have experienced) is problems focusing on small items in macro mode (like flies…).  The fully auto mode makes pretty good picks for quick and dirty snapshots.  And it lets you manually set lots of things when you have the time.  Very easy controls. The waterproof case looks pretty bulky – and pricy. I also liked the Canon Elph S330.  It’s pretty similar for features, is smaller (truly pocket size), just slightly more money and also has a waterproof case option.  The only thing that pushed me to get the A40 was use of standard AA batteries so I can use off-the-shelf NiMH batteries. –Stan

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The waterproof case looks pretty bulky – and pricy. I also liked the Canon Elph S330.  It’s pretty similar for features, is smaller (truly pocket size), just slightly more money and also has a waterproof case option.  

Yeah, the case is a little bulky and pricey, but I hate to be in my kayak or on the water without a camera – and I seem to have misplaced my old Nikon Action Touch 35mm. I was able to handle the A40 case when I was in Tokyo last year and it’s not as bad as it looks in pictures, but definitely not ‘pocket sized’. — Charlie…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is what we call brim fishing where I live in Texas. I am looking forward to receiving your fly and will copy it and let you know how it works around here. I hope you will give mine a try as well. I find that tails made of the fur cut off a zonker strip are more durable than any of the other tails that I have tried. Last week I had to order another thousand of the mustad 3366 size 8 hooks that I use for tying these foam bugs. It is kind of difficult to find a better hook…especialy at less than 26 bucks a thousand! I give a lot of these things away. Big Dale The generic name for all panfish here in the Connecticut Valley is ‘kivvers’.  ’Brim’ is the edge of your coffee mug<g. I can’t imagine buying a thousand hooks of one model.  Last summer I used a single Orange Woof (orange foam Ausable Wullf descendent) for almost two months… –Stan (taking ‘frugal yankee’ to the next level)

Here in PA, they’re all Bluegills and Crappie – pronounced ‘Crap’ (like the stuff in your waders on the worst day of your fishing life), unless you don’t like fishing for, catching & possibly eating ‘Crap’ in which case it’s pronounced ‘Crawppie’ or ‘Croppie’. Down in NC, where I first heard the term ‘brim’ – actually, I believe that it’s spelled BREAM (pronounced ‘brim’) – it seems to apply to all panfish except Crappie (regardless of pronunciation). I’ll also second the "can’t imagine buying a thousand hooks of one model" sentiment.  DCWDFF, you must be one serious fly tyin’ maniac. Tom G never had that stuff in MY waders – yet

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one model" sentiment.  DCWDFF, you must be one serious fly tyin’ maniac.

Well, I do resemble that remark, but I must admit that it took me about three years to use the first thousand. All of those flies that I tied with them are very simple flies to tie, and all of the materials used in these patterns are very inexpensive. Big Dale

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<snipped post which was repeated 6 times Well if you tie flies like you post, you should go thru 1000 hooks a year easily.

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MY waders – yet obviously, you’ve not *yet* experienced a louie laplac breakfast…  it’s only a matter of time, so i’d recommend practicing speedy stream exits and wader drops… might wanna carry a roll of tp as well… the process of wetting and using your t-shirt puts some folks off… jeff

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MY waders – yet obviously, you’ve not *yet* experienced a louie laplac breakfast…  it’s only a matter of time, so i’d recommend practicing speedy stream exits and wader drops… might wanna carry a roll of tp as well… the process of wetting and using your t-shirt puts some folks off…

Some of us use socks……evidently this is not as off-putting.        :) Wolfgang who rests content in leaving some things behind.

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Some of us use socks……evidently this is not as off-putting.        :)

…i knew that damn thing i shook outta those socks was a corn kernel… Wolfgang who rests content in leaving some things behind.

having changed diapers of infants with serious "leaving behind" problems, squishy socks ain’t a problem… <g jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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early June is prime but many lakes offer good fishing into the 1st half of July. Mid to late June into the 1st week of July is prime time for travelling sedges. The merrit area about 1 hour south west of Kamloops is also good and there is a very nice looking golf course just east of the town with a large modern resort. Salmon Lake, Glimpse, Peterhope, Plateau, the Lakes of the Douglas Lake Ranch and also Roche Lake and it’s many nearby lakes are all close by. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Prime time out of Kamloops for fly fishing is May/June as it is not very high elevation. July can be too late for the good fishing. For golf and fishing, I would pick a week in early June. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com What time of year? Can’t advise much on golf as I don’t. The Kamloops area is a good bet. My ex boss retired up there a few years back to engage his interest in both pursuits. It’s best known for it’s still water fishery with dozens of lakes within an hour or two’s drive. There is some fine stream fishing as well. Wanting to put together a fishing/golfing trip to BC. Any suggestions on an area we might find good prospects for both activities?

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Great! Thanks much.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve golfed a lot in Kamloops and they have some real good courses. Dunes, Rivershore and one up on the plateau on the south side of #1 going east.  Forget the name but it’s a nice one as well.  Good fishing just south of Kamloops in the Logan lake area.  About 1 hour gets you to lots of fishing lakes. Wanting to put together a fishing/golfing trip to BC. Any suggestions on an area we might find good prospects for both activities?

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Prime time out of Kamloops for fly fishing is May/June as it is not very high elevation. July can be too late for the good fishing. For golf and fishing, I would pick a week in early June. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What time of year? Can’t advise much on golf as I don’t. The Kamloops area is a good bet. My ex boss retired up there a few years back to engage his interest in both pursuits. It’s best known for it’s still water fishery with dozens of lakes within an hour or two’s drive. There is some fine stream fishing as well. Wanting to put together a fishing/golfing trip to BC. Any suggestions on an area we might find good prospects for both activities?

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Thanks for the additional information. k

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Prime time out of Kamloops for fly fishing is May/June as it is not very high elevation. July can be too late for the good fishing. For golf and fishing, I would pick a week in early June. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com What time of year? Can’t advise much on golf as I don’t. The Kamloops area is a good bet. My ex boss retired up there a few years back to engage his interest in both pursuits. It’s best known for it’s still water fishery with dozens of lakes within an hour or two’s drive. There is some fine stream fishing as well. Wanting to put together a fishing/golfing trip to BC. Any suggestions on an area we might find good prospects for both activities?

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I’ve golfed a lot in Kamloops and they have some real good courses. Dunes, Rivershore and one up on the plateau on the south side of #1 going east.  Forget the name but it’s a nice one as well.  Good fishing just south of Kamloops in the Logan lake area.  About 1 hour gets you to lots of fishing lakes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wanting to put together a fishing/golfing trip to BC. Any suggestions on an area we might find good prospects for both activities?

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Wanting to put together a fishing/golfing trip to BC. Any suggestions on an area we might find good prospects for both activities?

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What time of year? Can’t advise much on golf as I don’t. The Kamloops area is a good bet. My ex boss retired up there a few years back to engage his interest in both pursuits. It’s best known for it’s still water fishery with dozens of lakes within an hour or two’s drive. There is some fine stream fishing as well. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wanting to put together a fishing/golfing trip to BC. Any suggestions on an area we might find good prospects for both activities?

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We’re thinking June or July.  Will check out Kamloops. Thanks. karen

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What time of year? Can’t advise much on golf as I don’t. The Kamloops area is a good bet. My ex boss retired up there a few years back to engage his interest in both pursuits. It’s best known for it’s still water fishery with dozens of lakes within an hour or two’s drive. There is some fine stream fishing as well. Wanting to put together a fishing/golfing trip to BC. Any suggestions on an area we might find good prospects for both activities?

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hello all.  I need some help. A few years back my mother bought me a fly rod at a yard sale. it is a hand crafted 6 sided bamboo fly rod.  it is all stamped " made in occupied japan" some one told my father that it was worth any where from $1,000 – $10,000 depending on the condition of it. I have a couple pictures of it.  drop me an e-mail if you would like to see them.  thanks. any information on it would be greatly appreciated. please e-mail me with any info.

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cdragon Japanese bamboo rods are low cost rods, you can probably get $50 to $75 on eBay. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hello all.  I need some help. A few years back my mother bought me a fly rod at a yard sale. it is a hand crafted 6 sided bamboo fly rod.  it is all stamped " made in occupied japan" some one told my father that it was worth any where from $1,000 – $10,000 depending on the condition of it. I have a couple pictures of it.  drop me an e-mail if you would like to see them.  thanks. any information on it would be greatly appreciated. please e-mail me with any info.

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writes: hello all.  I need some help. A few years back my mother bought me a fly rod at a yard sale. it is a hand crafted 6 sided bamboo fly rod.  it is all stamped " made in occupied japan" some one told my father that it was worth any where from $1,000 – $10,000 depending on the condition of it.

They lied to your father, some handcrafted bamboo fly rods are worth in excess of $1,000 with rare Gillum, Dickerson or Garrison rods going in excess of $10K. Unfortunately for you,  yours is one of the mass produced models that came from asia post WWII. Depending on the buyer and their level of knowledge perhaps $10 – $250 if you find a sucker. Sorry if this sounds rough to you. Now if it was a Garrison, Dickerson or a Gillum….. For verification of what I say you can check www.gorp.com/bamboo.htm http://home1.gte.net/jfoster/ http://flyfishing.miningco.com/msub13.htm http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/ronsrods/index.html Wayne Knight (remove nospam to respond via mail) Expert in the creation of  wind knots and tailing loops.

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>From: Gidget >urf wrote: >> Speaking and acting with love in one’s heart for others is an ideal that I >> would follow to the extent that I am able to. >I wouldn’t go that far.  The love in my heart is reserved for those who’ve >earned it for whatever reason.  But speaking and acting with compassion and >respect for others is, to me, a very reasonable ideal.

Ditto.  This goes back to the thread on what we need.  I think that when others are treated respectfully, it is not necessarily coming from a place of love…moreso from a place of caring. No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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>Minus 10 points for political correctness…

You butt. ) No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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Speaking and acting with love in one’s heart for others is an ideal that I would follow to the extent that I am able to. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oceanmomma wrote in message <19990309112015.28004.00000…@ng134.aol.com>… >>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >>Judgment is unavoidable. People have opinions and should be able to >>express them. There should be no "political correctness" here. No one >>should say anything they don’t mean to gain favor. The one thing I >>have trouble with is condemnation. >>But I’m not condemning anyone for that. >I agree that people should be able to express their opinion.  If they choose to >do it disrespectfully, or judgmentally, that speaks loudly of who they are. >There is a difference between being politically correct and just showing some >plain old respect.  Why not speak to members of this group as lovingly as one >would speak to their spouse?  Doesn’t all personkind deserve respect?  Or does >it only apply at home? >No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. >-William Blake

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Semantics again. The people with whom I disagree are "judgmental". The people with whom I agree are "insightful". Or so it seems to me. — Sourdough sez: "We would worry a lot less about what other people think of us, if we realized how seldom they do." Oceanmomma wrote in message

<19990308203922.14376.00003…@ng18.aol.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >>I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here. >I agree Urf.  It would be really nice if there were an atmosphere of >non-judgement.  However, the reality is that there is plenty of judgement in >here. >And please let’s not get started on what reality is  Pretty please???? >No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. >-William Blake

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urf wrote: > Speaking and acting with love in one’s heart for others is an ideal that I > would follow to the extent that I am able to.

I wouldn’t go that far.  The love in my heart is reserved for those who’ve earned it for whatever reason.  But speaking and acting with compassion and respect for others is, to me, a very reasonable ideal.

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Nobody wrote: > Gidget, I agree 100%.  I think its a troll, but the guy sounds like > he’s into power games.  I also would guess that his wife is mildly > interested in the power games as well, seeing that she responded > with the "Yes, Master" he wanted to hear instead of, "Shove it, > you fool."  There are a lot more people into the power game thing > than you might think.

Not only that, but I have a hard time believing that this guy all of a sudden woke up one day and decided he wanted his wife to go w/o underwear or play kinky sex games. This kind of thing, if the person is interested, would be kind of difficult to conceal for 29 years of marriage.

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Gidget, Then what does it make them? I’m curious as to how you would characterize them. Arnie In article <36E3BE68.9EF8…@hotmail.com>, Gidget – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<gidgetoli…@hotmail.com> wrote: > He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go > without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots > of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their > practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick > motherfuckers."

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Arnie wrote: > Gidget, > Then what does it make them? I’m curious as to how you would characterize them.

Assuming the original poster is not just a foolish troll… I would characterize him as a person with a fetish (the desire for his mate to go w/o underwear) and a taste for "alternative" sexual practices (the dominance/submission games).

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In article <36E3BE68.9EF8…@hotmail.com>,   Gidget <gidgetoli…@hotmail.com> wrote: > Lots of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and > while their practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them >"sick motherfuckers."

If an individual had an Oedipus complex and they followed through on their feeling then I think that they would qualify.  Dont you Gidget? garyz We cannot direct the wind but we can adjust the sails. ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    

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ga…@my-dejanews.com wrote: > If an individual had an Oedipus complex and they followed through on their > feeling then I think that they would qualify.  Dont you Gidget?

Obviously… so would a pedophile.

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C’mon, now!  What goes on between ‘consenting adults’ is none of our business! Really, I’m kidding. Amused – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ga…@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <7c1cs5$nj…@nnrp1.dejanews.com>… >In article <36E3BE68.9EF8…@hotmail.com>, >  Gidget <gidgetoli…@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Lots of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and >> while their practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them >>"sick motherfuckers." >If an individual had an Oedipus complex and they followed through on their >feeling then I think that they would qualify.  Dont you Gidget? >garyz >We cannot direct the wind but we can adjust the sails. >———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- >http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

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I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gidget wrote: > Gail Warnings wrote: > > I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to > > do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me > > of the rape guy– and not in a good way. > He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go > without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots > of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their > practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick > motherfuckers."

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Judgment is unavoidable. People have opinions and should be able to express them. There should be no "political correctness" here. No one should say anything they don’t mean to gain favor. The one thing I have trouble with is condemnation. But I’m not condemning anyone for that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oceanmomma wrote: > >From: urf <nos…@erols.com> > >I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here. > I agree Urf.  It would be really nice if there were an atmosphere of > non-judgement.  However, the reality is that there is plenty of judgement in > here. > And please let’s not get started on what reality is  Pretty please???? > No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. > -William Blake

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Minus 10 points for political correctness… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Oceanmomma wrote in message <19990309112015.28004.00000…@ng134.aol.com>… >Doesn’t all personkind deserve respect

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>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >Judgment is unavoidable. People have opinions and should be able to >express them. There should be no "political correctness" here. No one >should say anything they don’t mean to gain favor. The one thing I >have trouble with is condemnation. >But I’m not condemning anyone for that.

I agree that people should be able to express their opinion.  If they choose to do it disrespectfully, or judgmentally, that speaks loudly of who they are. There is a difference between being politically correct and just showing some plain old respect.  Why not speak to members of this group as lovingly as one would speak to their spouse?  Doesn’t all personkind deserve respect?  Or does it only apply at home? No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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Did he also have a diamond in his belly button? lol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Amused wrote: > I saw him last week living under a bridge, eating Billy-goats and fly > fishing. > Amused > Gail Warnings wrote in message <7buhgj$o6…@camel18.mindspring.com>… > >Richard Terry wrote in message <7bu94a$6i…@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>… > >.  I want my wife to stop wearing > >>underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made > >>her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view. > >>I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to > >>college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  .  It turns me > >on to think of > >>inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just > >bought > >>that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying > >>her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t > >>really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive. > >I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to > >do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds > me > >of the rape guy– and not in a good way. > >Gail

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>From: urf <nos…@erols.com> >I agree, Gidget. One should be free to say anything without fear here.

I agree Urf.  It would be really nice if there were an atmosphere of non-judgement.  However, the reality is that there is plenty of judgement in here. And please let’s not get started on what reality is  Pretty please???? No bird soars too high, if he soars with his own wings. -William Blake

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Call Dr. Popoola.  He helped you before according to your other posting in alt.support.obesity. _____________________________________________________________________ Rich here.  10 months ago I weighed 300 pounds, today 3/1/99 I weight 207. After years of trying to diet I finally realized that my weight problem did not have to do with lack of will power, but a genetic problem passed down from generation to generation. Dr. Dapo Popoola, of the Surgilite Medical Group of North Hollywood, CA. performed a Vertical Ring Gastric Bypass on me and since that day my entire life has changed.  I was diabetic, I am no longer diabetic.  While I am still hypertensive I have cut my medications in half.  I am healther than I have ever been running up to 18 miles a week and doing a full body work out 3 days a week.  If you’re interested in knowing more, I have created a website for Surgilite at surgilite.hypermart.net and you can find out whatever your need to know by visiting that site.  Goodluck. ______________________________________________________ garyz Never mistake motion for action. –Ernest Hemingway ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    

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"Richard Terry" <rwte…@earthlink.net> wrote: >Short of going to a psychiatrist I am looking for some help.  Perhpas this >is the place.  Please bear with me as I explain.

Richard, It sounds like you’re going to need that psychiatrist.  It doesn’t sound like your wife is into these sex games you are playing.  If she isn’t,  you need help and plenty of it.

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Gail Warnings wrote: > I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to > do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me > of the rape guy– and not in a good way.

He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick motherfuckers."

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Richard Terry wrote in message <7bu94a$6i…@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>…

.  I want my wife to stop wearing >underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made >her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view. >I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to >college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  .  It turns me on to think of >inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just bought >that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying >her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t >really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive.

I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me of the rape guy– and not in a good way. Gail

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I saw him last week living under a bridge, eating Billy-goats and fly fishing. Amused – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gail Warnings wrote in message <7buhgj$o6…@camel18.mindspring.com>… >Richard Terry wrote in message <7bu94a$6i…@ash.prod.itd.earthlink.net>… >.  I want my wife to stop wearing >>underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made >>her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view. >>I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to >>college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  .  It turns me >on to think of >>inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just >bought >>that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying >>her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t >>really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive. >I really hope this is a troll, not just some sick motherfucker who likes to >do weird things to some woman who is probably 60 years old.  This reminds me >of the rape guy– and not in a good way. >Gail

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Gidget wrote: > He does sound trollish, but the truth is… a husband that wants his wife to go > without underwear or wants to be called "Master", is not all that bizarre.  Lots > of people have some kind of fetish that they like to indulge in, and while their > practices may seem "weird" to you and me, it hardly makes them "sick > motherfuckers."

Gidget, I agree 100%.  I think its a troll, but the guy sounds like he’s into power games.  I also would guess that his wife is mildly interested in the power games as well, seeing that she responded with the "Yes, Master" he wanted to hear instead of, "Shove it, you fool."  There are a lot more people into the power game thing than you might think. Drew

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Short of going to a psychiatrist I am looking for some help.  Perhpas this is the place.  Please bear with me as I explain. I have been married to the same woman for 29 years.  I love her beyond words, but for 29 years we have struggled with a problem that seems to be getting worse and I need some objective input for disinterested third parties.  So here goes. As I said I love my wife, but I have a desire to control her, Oh, not in the conventional way.  I want her to have her own live, but I want to control what she wears under her clothes.  My wife says I just want to control her, if so, after you read this tell me so.  I want my wife to stop wearing underwear.  I positively had bras and for a time hid all her bras and made her wear bralettes, which provide minimum support and maximum view.  She is getting read to have a hysterectomy and after the surgery I do not want her to wear panties any more.  It turns me on to think of my wife, out in public, without underwear.  I’ve never asked her to do anything that she would consider immoral, only that she not wear underwear. On occasions she has gone without a bra, and several yeas ago, on one of our anniverseries, she went without bra and panties and I can’t describe how it made me feel.  I have a strong sex drive, but she does not.  I want sex every night, she wants it every week or month (I’m no exaggerating).  I dream about her every night. I dream about her being naked in front of other men and women and being ordered to allow the men to make love to her to for her to provide oral sex to the women. I’ve told her that when our youngest son (a senior in high school) goes to college I want her to go around the house without clothes.  I don’t want sex 24/7 I just like to look at my wife’s beautiful body. I do have one other "hang up" if you please.  It turns me on to think of inflicting mild pain on my wife.  I have wrist restraints that I just bought that I would like to use and a riding crop that I bought in hopes of tying her up after a few weeks post op rest as well as nipple clamps.  I don’t really want to hurt her, it just turns me on for her to be submissive. Last night we had a fight, afterwards I ordered her to remove all her clothes and as I made love to her I told her that she was to address me, at all times with "Yes, Sir" and when it was just she and I she was to address me as "Master".  I can’t begin to tell you how it turned me on when I asked "Do you understand what I’m saying" and she replied "Yes master." I love my wife and want help. After love making I feel so guilty.  I don’t want to hurt her, but at the same time I get so turned on by her submissiveness.  Does anyone have any suggestions that might help me to control my passions and range.   Please reply to me privately and not on this list because I need to hear from you as soon as possible. thanx for listening, I hope you can help. RWT mailto:rwte…@earthlink.net

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Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent

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Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent

Not sure, but I think the server on which Ralph has his web site is down. I haven’t  been able to get through either for the last several days. FAS

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Hi-   We live- but our server has been unplugged. We were on the Adventure West Magazine server. Ad West, left for bigger digs in Seattle and in the process, apparently, unplugged their server. They have yet to answer my email or phone class regarding the situation. We WILL reappear, but I’m at a loss as to when, where and under what guise. -Ralph Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent Not sure, but I think the server on which Ralph has his web site is down. I haven’t  been able to get through either for the last several days. FAS

California School of Flyfishing. Fishing conditions, hatch charts, product reviews, tips, techniques and more.  http://www.FLYLINE.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi-   We live- but our server has been unplugged. We were on the Adventure West Magazine server. Ad West, left for bigger digs in Seattle and in the process, apparently, unplugged their server. They have yet to answer my email or phone class regarding the situation. We WILL reappear, but I’m at a loss as to when, where and under what guise. -Ralph Tried to access the web page to get some info for a trip next month but the browser couldn’t find it.  Has flyline.com moved?  I tried adventurewest.com too, but it couldn’t be found either. Brent Not sure, but I think the server on which Ralph has his web site is down. I haven’t  been able to get through either for the last several days. FAS California School of Flyfishing. Fishing conditions, hatch charts, product reviews, tips, techniques and more.  http://www.FLYLINE.com

Ralph, Could you post a Tahoe area report here? Thanks, Michael Smith

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I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age.  It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy.

It would be unlikely (though not impossible) that it’s primary function was as a salmon rod. Even today salmon in Britain are normally fished for with two-handed rods, from 12 to 15 or more feet long. You may fish for summer fish with a shorter rod but you’ll then be said to be fishing with a trout rod. It might well be one of two things: a sea-trout rod (in other words trout that migrate to sea like steelhead) and are fished for on rivers – that is if the action is quite tight and fast, or, I think more likely,  a boat rod,  for fishing for trout from a boat drifiting along on a lake with the prevailing wind. In this fashion, casts are quite short, and very soft rods were used – very often around this length. I still have one my father inherited in the 1920s from a major Irish fisherman, but I must say that I find it unfishable. I fish with split cane on the English chalkstreams, but anything of ten foot I would find very hard going

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I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age.  It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy. The only identifying mark is on the brass butt piece and that has partially worn off.  It has the inscription  " CA??ER and CO.  London  ". I’m not expecting it to be of any value, other than sentimental, but I would like to know its age and origins. Also I intend to fish with it so could somebody give me some idea of the possible line weight used with these rods.   Thanks  Ed — Ed Fenton Burlington, Ontario, Canada

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Ed, I think this rod was made by (or for ?) Carter & Co., London that appears to have been a tackle store (??) that existed from 1853 till 1969. The company changed it’s name from Alfred Carter to Carter & Co. in 1901, so your rod is definitely post 1901. This is all I could find out from my books. regards Inge Solberg Houston, TX – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age. It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy. The only identifying mark is on the brass butt piece and that has partially worn off.  It has the inscription  " CA??ER and CO.  London  ". I’m not expecting it to be of any value, other than sentimental, but I would like to know its age and origins. Also I intend to fish with it so could somebody give me some idea of the possible line weight used with these rods.   Thanks  Ed — Ed Fenton Burlington, Ontario, Canada

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I recently inherited a split cane fly rod and would like to identify its source and possible age.  It is a 3 piece, 10′6", with spare top section, has screw type ferrules, cork grip, and wrappings approx. every inch along its length. I always thought it was a salmon rod but the last time I was allowed to use it was about 1950 in England, so my memory is a bit hazy. The only identifying mark is on the brass butt piece and that has partially worn off.  It has the inscription  " CA??ER and CO.  London  ". I’m not expecting it to be of any value, other than sentimental, but I would like to know its age and origins. Also I intend to fish with it so could somebody give me some idea of the possible line weight used with these rods. Thanks  Ed — Ed Fenton Burlington, Ontario, Canada

Heck, I’m no expert (for sure) but I may be able to point you in the right direction.  It does sound like a salmon rod, probably taking about an 8 to 10 weight line.  The wraps every inch or so were called "intermediate wraps" and were originally used when glues weren’t very good.  However, UK-built rods seem to value tradition and rods with intermediate wraps were available in the 1970’s (I believe from Clifford Constable — or was it J.Sharpe?).  In my web wanderings I found a site that frequently auctions cane rods in the UK (I think it is www.auctions-on-line.com, if that doesn’t work e-mail me and I’ll find it) with descriptions, etc.  Sorry I can’t help with the name of the actual maker — I only know of companies that were on the scene in the 1970’s or later (i.e., Hardy, Constable, Farlow, Sharpe, Partridge, etc.). BTW–If you do find out exactly what it is, please post a follow-up. George (Irish descent, not living in Ireland)

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Anyone been to the MacKenzie Trail Lodge in B.C…… we saw the owner at the sportsman show in denver and are thinking about going next summer….would like some feedback on the place if anyone has been there.

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Anyone been to the MacKenzie Trail Lodge in B.C…… we saw the owner at the sportsman show in denver and are thinking about going next summer….would like some feedback on the place if anyone has been there.

I have visited Tsasha Lake and stayed with Bill the last 4 years. The dry fly fishing on the Blackwater is excellent. I fished in June, July, and August and found the fishing good any month but I prefer June. The weather is cooler and it has a better chance of rain but the fishing makes up for it. Lots of fish-a 50 fish day on the Blackwater is probably below average if you spend any time and effort. I only counted fish one day (my first) and easily topped 100 fish. The real trick on the Blackwater is getting into larger fish 16". There are fly outs available and some of the lakes offer larger fish. Bill will steer you to the spot that will meet your needs. There are a few walk in lakes that offer good fishing. One has very nice fish but it is possible to get skunked. I always give it a shot and catch fish about 1/2 the time. I tie flies for Bill and give seminars after the feasts they call dinner. So factor in my biasis. Perhaps others will have more to say. — Vic Brockett Vic’s Fly-By-Night http://www.navicom.com/~vic

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I will be in Vail, CO. 8/3 thru 8/7.  Anyone know of any good FF area’s near Vail.  I will have a rental, so getting around won’t be a problem.  Any pattern’s, techniques, or good guides in the area would be appreciated. Thanks, Vince

I know of two excellent spots. I was there last fall hunting. One is the Blue River from Silverthorne to Green Mountain Res. The level is controlled, and there is a fair amount of access along the stream. The other spot is the Colorado River around the Troublesome Creek area east of Kremmling. I think that would be maybe an hour or so drive (north) from Vail. If you get a chance to fish either place, let me know how you made out. I would appreciate it. I’m going back out next fall for a couple weeks to bowhunt and fly fish. I plan to fish both these areas.   Good Luck !  :-) Jack III ******I feel more like I do now than I did a little while ago******

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I will be in Vail, CO. 8/3 thru 8/7.  Anyone know of any good FF area’s near Vail.  I will have a rental, so getting around won’t be a problem.  Any pattern’s, techniques, or good guides in the area would be appreciated. Thanks, Vince

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To all, I am brand new to the sport and know I’ll be doing this with friends and family the rest of my life. Earlier this weekend, I caughtmy first trout, a little 5-inch ranbow stocked in Jackson Creek below the Yellowood Dam in Brown County just west of Nashville. I’ve been out to the Brookville Dam tailwater once, but didn’t do well there; probably my inexperience and poor fishing technique. The IDNR stocks trout in several other locations, especially up north closer to Lake Michigan. Anyone out there have experience fly fishing for trout in Indiana? I could use some suggestions on the best locations and what wet and dry patterns are most successful around here. Thanks in advance for sharing the info with a newbie! I promise I’ll return the favor someday. Dave McCarty

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There is a good flyshop in Indianapolis (called Flymasters I believe), that helped put me on fish when I was visiting my wife’s parents near Terra Haute! They can help you a lot with a list of place to fish!

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        Hello, flyfishers.  I have been lucky enough to land a job working in the Yosemite Backcountry as a highcamp helper.  I was wondering where there are good places to flyfish.  Most likely I will be working at Vogelsang or Sunrise.  I know there are many lakes up in the backcountry that were stocked a while back, and while the ones that are easily accessible are fished out, the ones that are hard to get to have some good fishing (so i hear).         I am looking for these hard to reach spots of seclusion and good fishing.  My whole introduction to the sport revolves around my job this summer at Yosemite, so if there isn’t any good fishing for me this summer, I will be very sad.  So, please tell me there are still fish in Yosemite.  As soon as I get up there, I’m going to try to get in tight with the rangers and maybe they can help me find places. Regards, George C. — *George M. Chan                         * "Yea, but bacon tastes good,  * *                                       *                               *

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Yes there is great flyrodding in the Yosemite back country. 2 books to have with you. Flyfishing the Sierras and Tom Stienstras fishing in California.

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George    The person who recommended Tom Stienstra’s book is exactly right.   That is the place to look.  However, Tom seems to think that fishing at Yosemite isn’t very good because the lakes up there haven’t been stocked since some time in the 80’s.  He’s pretty pessimistic about fishing Yosemite but let us know if you find some spots that have fish in them.    Good Luck    Dennis Alexander

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