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Hi RW,  you were mentioning the PT nymph and what it looked like.  I have a rather poor photo (somewhat out of focus)  that depicts the nymph, and I have put it on ABPF.

That’s a very buggy looking fly, Michael. Do you ever tie them flashback style, with a strand of Flashabou and some 5-minute epoxy? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Hi RW,  you were mentioning the PT nymph and what it looked like.  I have a rather poor photo (somewhat out of focus)  that depicts the nymph, and I have put it on ABPF. That’s a very buggy looking fly, Michael. Do you ever tie them flashback style, with a strand of Flashabou and some 5-minute epoxy?

Yikes,  what is "flashback style"?  The fly in the pikkie is my mainstay of angling operations, and it fishes very effectively here in the UK and the river Cauvery  (Bangalore to Mysore plus tributaries)  in India  (much to my delight!!!)  This pattern is probably my most used fly.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi RW,  you were mentioning the PT nymph and what it looked like.  I have a rather poor photo (somewhat out of focus)  that depicts the nymph, and I have put it on ABPF. That’s a very buggy looking fly, Michael. Do you ever tie them flashback style, with a strand of Flashabou and some 5-minute epoxy? Yikes,  what is "flashback style"?  

Tie in a strand of pearl Flashabou before you tie in the wingcase. Then fold it over and tie it in over the finished wingcase. A drop of 5-minute epoxy on top of the thorax makes the fly more durable, which I believe is what you were after in the first place. The fly in the pikkie is my mainstay of angling operations, and it fishes very effectively here in the UK and the river Cauvery  (Bangalore to Mysore plus tributaries)  in India  (much to my delight!!!)  This pattern is probably my most used fly.

Now you’re getting all picky about making changes to your recipe! That was my advice, if you recall — if it works, stick with it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Do you ever tie them flashback style, with a strand of Flashabou and some 5-minute epoxy?

One thing I like to do is use peackock herl for the wingcase.  I pull over that several strands of very narrow Flashabou.  I think this is more subtle, yet at the same time reflects light in more directions.  Then I coat it with Flexament.  I think it looks cool.

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Snipped. Today I fished with some PT nymphs that I had used a little dab of superglue to keep the wingcase firmly fastened down.  They did not look any different to the non glued ones,  but after a day’s angling with them I have to say that the addition of the glue has done wonders for the durability of the fly.  Today was very windy and at times too much for my 4 weight line.  One cast was blown onto the riverbank  (grrrr!), however, a bit of bad temper and cursing at the wind,  I persisted my casting. I found a nice run that has been deepened by the recent record flooding, and its trout have all been replaced by large grayling.  I caught 3 grayling between 1.25lb and 2lb in 40 feet of stream, and saw a lot more fish too ~ I have never seen so many large grayling on this river before.  Oddly enough, the grayling were not at all interested in the PT nymph, and I caught them on a  small black & peacock spider (size 16).  All the trout that I caught today (upto a lively 15oz fish) were on the PT nymph.  I only fished for half the day due to 1) the wind, and 2) nagging by the wife… Within a few weeks,  the mayflies (we call the largest of our ephemerids the mayfly  (Ephemera danica) as it hatches in late May.  The troutstream goes absolutely nuts for 2 weeks and the trout all gorge themselves something chronic).  That being said,  the fish were feasting well today, and the trout all had plump bellies.

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There is a picture of a PTN with a fluo thorax at http://www.geocities.com/flyfishingguru/ptn.htm along with tying instructions etc if any of you are interested Chris http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flyfishingworld – E-mail group http://www.geocities.com/flyfishingguru – Main website

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Snipped. Today I fished with some PT nymphs that I had used a little dab of superglue to keep the wingcase firmly fastened down.  They did not look any different to the non glued ones,  but after a day’s angling with them I have to say that the addition of the glue has done wonders for the durability of the fly.  Today was very windy and at times too much for my 4 weight line. One cast was blown onto the riverbank  (grrrr!), however, a bit of bad temper and cursing at the wind,  I persisted my casting. I found a nice run that has been deepened by the recent record flooding, and its trout have all been replaced by large grayling.  I caught 3 grayling between 1.25lb and 2lb in 40 feet of stream, and saw a lot more fish too ~ I have never seen so many large grayling on this river before.  Oddly enough, the grayling were not at all interested in the PT nymph, and I caught them on a  small black & peacock spider (size 16).  All the trout that I caught today (upto a lively 15oz fish) were on the PT nymph.  I only fished for half the day due to 1) the wind, and 2) nagging by the wife… Within a few weeks,  the mayflies (we call the largest of our ephemerids the mayfly  (Ephemera danica) as it hatches in late May.  The troutstream goes absolutely nuts for 2 weeks and the trout all gorge themselves something chronic).  That being said,  the fish were feasting well today, and the trout all had plump bellies.

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Cheers Chris, I looked at the fly,  however, I must admit to being a bit of a traditional kindof flytier.  I am presently only using non-synthetic materials to tie my flies from;  I prefer furs, feathers & metals.   That being said, today I used some flies (PTN) that used glue as a reinforcement to the tying, so I suppose that I am a bit of a hypocrite in respect to non-synthetic materials – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is a picture of a PTN with a fluo thorax at http://www.geocities.com/flyfishingguru/ptn.htm along with tying instructions etc if any of you are interested Chris http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flyfishingworld – E-mail group http://www.geocities.com/flyfishingguru – Main website Snipped. Today I fished with some PT nymphs that I had used a little dab of superglue to keep the wingcase firmly fastened down.  They did not look any different to the non glued ones,  but after a day’s angling with them I have to say that the addition of the glue has done wonders for the durability of the fly.  Today was very windy and at times too much for my 4 weight line. One cast was blown onto the riverbank  (grrrr!), however, a bit of bad temper and cursing at the wind,  I persisted my casting. I found a nice run that has been deepened by the recent record flooding, and its trout have all been replaced by large grayling.  I caught 3 grayling between 1.25lb and 2lb in 40 feet of stream, and saw a lot more fish too ~ I have never seen so many large grayling on this river before.  Oddly enough, the grayling were not at all interested in the PT nymph, and I caught them on a  small black & peacock spider (size 16).  All the trout that I caught today (upto a lively 15oz fish) were on the PT nymph.  I only fished for half the day due to 1) the wind, and 2) nagging by the wife… Within a few weeks,  the mayflies (we call the largest of our ephemerids the mayfly  (Ephemera danica) as it hatches in late May.  The troutstream goes absolutely nuts for 2 weeks and the trout all gorge themselves something chronic).  That being said,  the fish were feasting well today, and the trout all had plump bellies.

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Cheers Chris, I looked at the fly,  however, I must admit to being a bit of a traditional kindof flytier.  I am presently only using non-synthetic materials to tie my flies from;  I prefer furs, feathers & metals.  

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and preferences, but I don’t understand the big difference between using manufactured materials like steel hooks and nylon thread, and "synthetic" materials like Flashabou and poly yarn. If it’s effective for tying flies I’ll use it. It may be unethical , but that’s the way I see it. In fact, I think it’s fun to use all sorts of unusual synthetic materials, especially those that aren’t made specifically for tying flies. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Planned to stop in McIntosh county Oklahoma and do a little family research on way to Henry"s Fork clave. My creek ancestor there suggested I bring my fishing pole–said it gets so hot there in July that when you catch a brim you just eat him off the fly! IJ

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Cheers Chris, I looked at the fly,  however, I must admit to being a bit of a traditional kindof flytier.  I am presently only using non-synthetic materials to tie my flies from;  I prefer furs, feathers & metals. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and preferences, but I don’t understand the big difference between using manufactured materials like steel hooks and nylon thread, and "synthetic" materials like Flashabou and poly yarn. If it’s effective for tying flies I’ll use it. It may be unethical , but that’s the way I see it. In fact, I think it’s fun to use all sorts of unusual synthetic materials, especially those that aren’t made specifically for tying flies.

What you say is entirely true, and people should experiment with new materials and so on if they want to improve designs.  I am not a particularly innovative fly tyer; I have about a dozen mature patterns consisting of dry, wet & nymph (for troutstream fishing) that I more or less stick to.  I am also essentially lazy in nature, and because of this try to utilise just the minimum required  (another reason why I use PT & GRHE nymphs for the bulk of my angling).  Being lazy with fly tying means that I don’t really go out to get new materials; I have a big wooden box (that I inherited when its previous owner emigrated to Australia) that is crammed with all sorts of bits of fur / hair / capes / birdskins / loose feathers / wires / tinsels and so on.  I am more of an angler than a fly tyer, however that being said, I do tie up all of my flies that I use.  I probably need a new tying vice as mine (Indian cheapo) is getting to be a nuisance ~ I suppose that you get what you pay for. This season I have decided to get back into fishing the dry fly; over the last 7 years or so I have neglected to use the dryfly.  The last 2 trips (yesterday & a week before) I caught trout on a size 16 iron blue dun and really enjoyed the thrill of watching the fly bob down to where the fish was on the fin. I’m not at all bothered about what other people want to use,  but I personally prefer to use feather or fur over synthetic materials purely on a set-in-my-ways traditional kindof theme.  It is  ironic that I am probably younger than the average age of the participants in this NG and yet I am possibly more dogmatic in choice of fly tying materials than the average pundit! Regards, Mike.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What you say is entirely true, and people should experiment with new materials and so on if they want to improve designs.  I am not a particularly innovative fly tyer; I have about a dozen mature patterns consisting of dry, wet & nymph (for troutstream fishing) that I more or less stick to.  I am also essentially lazy in nature, and because of this try to utilise just the minimum required  (another reason why I use PT & GRHE nymphs for the bulk of my angling).   I am more of an angler than a fly tyer, however that being said, I do tie up all of my flies that I use.   I’m not at all bothered about what other people want to use,  but I personally prefer to use feather or fur over synthetic materials purely on a set-in-my-ways traditional kindof theme.  It is  ironic that I am probably younger than the average age of the participants in this NG and yet I am possibly more dogmatic in choice of fly tying materials than the average pundit!

Hum, I pictured you as a moderately old fart like me. I also prefer "natural" over synthetic. I think that a limited fly selection is what happens when you fish the same waters, or similar ones, very frequently. You find or develop some flies that are successful for you, you use them alot, you get good at presenting them and you have alot of confidence in them. When I travel to new waters, I usually tie up "local" patterns to suit but often  find myself having my best success on my "standards." That’s one of the things that has made me concentrate much more on a change in presentation over trying to find the "right" fly when I come across a difficult situation. Willi

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What you say is entirely true, and people should experiment with new materials and so on if they want to improve designs.  I am not a particularly innovative fly tyer; I have about a dozen mature patterns consisting of dry, wet & nymph (for troutstream fishing) that I more or less stick to.  I am also essentially lazy in nature, and because of this try to utilise just the minimum required  (another reason why I use PT & GRHE nymphs for the bulk of my angling).   I am more of an angler than a fly

tyer, however that being said, I do tie up all of my flies that I use. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not at all bothered about what other people want to use,  but I personally prefer to use feather or fur over synthetic materials purely on a set-in-my-ways traditional kindof theme.  It is  ironic that I am probably younger than the average age of the participants in this NG and yet I am possibly more dogmatic in choice of fly tying materials than the average pundit! Hum, I pictured you as a moderately old fart like me. I also prefer "natural" over synthetic. I think that a limited fly selection is what happens when you fish the same waters, or similar ones, very frequently. You find or develop some flies that are successful for you, you use them alot, you get good at presenting them and you have alot of confidence in them. When I travel to new waters, I usually tie up "local" patterns to suit but often  find myself having my best success on my "standards." That’s one of the things that has made me concentrate much more on a change in presentation over trying to find the "right" fly when I come across a difficult situation.

LOL,  I am a 30 year old fart, moderate just like you .  You are right about the firm fave flies that you carry with confidence,  I have my favourite flies alright:  my 1st 11 or 1st 15, these flies are my first choice in action on most waters (saltwaters excluded).  Confidence is pretty important in flyfishing and having a proven fly or series of flies helps maintain the keeness that is essentially kept bouyant by prior confidence.

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Hum, I pictured you as a moderately old fart like me. LOL,  I am a 30 year old fart, moderate just like you .

I don’t think that’s the same thing that Willi described

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Confidence is pretty important in flyfishing and having a proven fly or series of flies helps maintain the keeness that is essentially kept bouyant by prior confidence.

I suspect that the "confidence" effect has something to do with the effectiveness of fluorocarbon tippet. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Hi RW,  you were mentioning the PT nymph and what it looked like.  I have a rather poor photo (somewhat out of focus)  that depicts the nymph, and I have put it on ABPF.

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Hi, Due to a disability, I need a fly reel (freshwater) with as large of a diameter as possible.  My budget is small – less than $100.  Can anyone recommend an affordable one with an adjustable drag.  If so, maybe even a web site where I can see it and order it online…… Thank you very much, Bruce

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Hi, Due to a disability, I need a fly reel (freshwater) with as large of a diameter as possible.  My budget is small – less than $100.  Can anyone recommend an affordable one with an adjustable drag.  If so, maybe even a web site where I can see it and order it online…… Thank you very much, Bruce

Bruce, the Okuma Integrity 5/6 may fit your needs…. http://www.ezflyfish.com/okin56flyree.html Tight Lines, –Walt Fly Fishing NC & more… http://www.ezflyfish.com http://www.wilsoncreekoutfitters.com

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Yeah I know.  Sorry for the slight "brain fart"…..lol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Just FYI, that is large *arbor*, not large *diameter* – not sure if that’s exactly what Bruce meant.

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Hi Bruce, Go to the Orvis web site:    www.orvis.com Click on "FLYFISHING" Click on "FLY REELS" Take a look at the Orvis Rocky Mountain Large Arbor fly reel that is around $75US and made in England.

Just FYI, that is large *arbor*, not large *diameter* – not sure if that’s exactly what Bruce meant.

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Hi Bruce, Go to the Orvis web site:    www.orvis.com Click on "FLYFISHING" Click on "FLY REELS" Take a look at the Orvis Rocky Mountain Large Arbor fly reel that is around $75US and made in England. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, Due to a disability, I need a fly reel (freshwater) with as large of a diameter as possible.  My budget is small – less than $100.  Can anyone recommend an affordable one with an adjustable drag.  If so, maybe even a web site where I can see it and order it online…… Thank you very much, Bruce

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Hi, Due to a disability, I need a fly reel (freshwater) with as large of a diameter as possible.  My budget is small – less than $100.  Can anyone recommend an affordable one with an adjustable drag.  If so, maybe even a web site where I can see it and order it online…… Thank you very much, Bruce

A Campbell’s Creamy Chicken Noodle Soup Can.  Cost:  .69 Cents. : )

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Yes and no. ) Frank (it ain’t me in Elkhart) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The good Senator and I were not related and didn’t share the same politics either. Of course that’s JUST what we could expect you to say under the circumstances! Got any ID bub?  Would you agree to a DNA analysis?    

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This post was posted to a UK fishing group.  I thought it might interest some of you.  I am sure the original posters will not mind me copying it, as I have corresponded with them both in the past. TL MC I realize this is a bit off-topic, but my daughter saw this and asked me to ask ‘the nice British fisherman’ about it. The Canadian News has picked up a story about a journalist who was literally branded by the "ALF" (Animal Liberation Front?) . Is this true? Are these the same nutters who attack fisherman and throw bricks at their floats, smash their rods, etc? If they are, it’s very chilling. It’s one thing to disagree. Another to actually take hot iron to a man’s back for disagreeing.

Peter, Sadly it’s true The journalist in question had written, exposing some of the more extremist members of the ALF.  He was kidnapped and held in fear of his life.  Hooded with a hesian sack, he expected execution.  When he felt the pain, and smelled the burning flesh, he realised he had been branded.  A.L.-F across his back in very large letters.  I guess that the perpetuators felt that this was only a small payback for the pain and suffering caused daily to animals in laboratories etc.  Sick, sick, sick and twisted people The extremists in the Animals Rights and Anti-angling circles tend to be the same small group of people, surrounded both by harmless nutters and well-meaning (we would think misguided) people.

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Anbody wishing to see the original article: Click on the following link and then ‘Britain’: http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/Times/frontpage.html?999 The article is about a quarter of the way down the page. TL MC

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This post was posted to a UK fishing group.  I thought it might interest some of you.  I am sure the original posters will not mind me copying it, as I have corresponded with them both in the past. TL MC

ALF is a terrorist group, no debate about it.  I find if utterly shocking that these people seem to think that animals are equal or more important than humans.  I can’t imagine where these people get their convictions, but they can’t possibly be healthy, IMO. — Levi Always do sober what you said you’d do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. –Ernest Hemingway

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ALF is a terrorist group, no debate about it.  I find if utterly shocking that these people seem to think that animals are equal or more important than humans.  I can’t imagine where these people get their convictions, but they can’t possibly be healthy, IMO.

You don’t suppose that they take into account man’s inhumanity to man on this planet and have decided animals act better towards each other?  You know the old saying, "The more I know about people the more I love my cat/dog/sheep/etc etc."  That same feeling creeps up on me more and more often these days. Frank (stirring the pot in Elkhart) Church

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You don’t suppose that they take into account man’s inhumanity to man on this planet and have decided animals act better towards each other?  You know the old saying, "The more I know about people the more I love my cat/dog/sheep/etc etc."  That same feeling creeps up on me more and more often these days. Frank (stirring the pot in Elkhart) Church

Your ommission of Louie LaPlac’s goat, affectionately known as Mildred, will be noted as the insult it is. Mark Faulkner

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Louie, please relay my apologies to Mildred as I would never intentionally insult someone who is obviously adored by you.  Sorry. (think that’ll do it Mark?) Frank (goatbreath) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t suppose that they take into account man’s inhumanity to man on this planet and have decided animals act better towards each other?  You know the old saying, "The more I know about people the more I love my cat/dog/sheep/etc etc."  That same feeling creeps up on me more and more often these days. Frank (stirring the pot in Elkhart) Church Your ommission of Louie LaPlac’s goat, affectionately known as Mildred, will be noted as the insult it is. Mark Faulkner

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Don’t some animals eat their young?  I am also waiting for some Animal Rights Activist to show me a hospital built by animals. Weren’t you a Senator from Idaho before you died? DP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ALF is a terrorist group, no debate about it.  I find if utterly shocking that these people seem to think that animals are equal or more important than humans.  I can’t imagine where these people get their convictions, but they can’t possibly be healthy, IMO. You don’t suppose that they take into account man’s inhumanity to man on this planet and have decided animals act better towards each other?  You know the old saying, "The more I know about people the more I love my cat/dog/sheep/etc etc."  That same feeling creeps up on me more and more often these days. Frank (stirring the pot in Elkhart) Church

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You don’t suppose that they take into account man’s inhumanity to man on this planet and have decided animals act better towards each other?  You know the old saying, "The more I know about people the more I love my cat/dog/sheep/etc etc. That same feeling creeps up on me more and more often these days.

I guess the fact that many animals routinely kill and eat other animals for sustenance, (sometimes including the young of their own species), doesn’t enter into the equation. George "turning up the fire a notch" Adams

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Don’t some animals eat their young?

Yes, some animals do eat their young, sows can lay on their piglets and suffocate most or all of them, a tomcat will kill every kitten in the litter if he can whup mama cat first, and on and on, but that’s nature’s way, in no way can it be equated with with mans actions.  Screw PETA, ALF and all the rest of these wackos. Weren’t you a Senator from Idaho before you died?

I see you remember Senator Frank Church of Idaho.  Evidently he wasn’t too popular in some quarters in Idaho.  One time I stopped for gas in a small town there, gave the guy my credit card, whereupon after seeing the name on the card, gave me a squinty-eyed look and asked, "are you related to Senator Frank Church?"  I’m not, and said so, but might have denied it in any case as he looked ready to dump sugar in my gas tank or some other dastardly deed.  The good Senator and I were not related and didn’t share the same politics either.

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Absolutely not George, as I stated in an earlier post, equating the animal kingdom which operates on inborn instinct to do what is necessary to survive, to "man" is bogus.  Ascribing human traits to animals is a mistake. So if a tomcat kills the litter of kittens he finds, we are horrified.  But he does that for a reason…..he is "offing" future competition for breeding the available female cats.  But if humans do that, it is mass murder.  The two don’t equate at any level.  My favorite pussy cat, who purrs on my lap and nuzzles me, and makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, will sneak out in the yard and try to kill a bird….she is living in two worlds, ours and hers. If I catch her eating a bird do I beat the shit out of her…no way.  I recognize she still has that hunter instinct of her breed.  We, on the other hand, are supposed to be "civilized," whatever the hell that means in this day and age. Frank (trying to piss on George’s fire) Church

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Ascribing human traits to animals is a mistake.

Frank, I guess I misunderstood your your post, because I thought that was exactly what you were doing. (i.e. "good" animals vs. "bad" humans) Animals are niether good nor bad…..they are just animals. A rattlesnake can kill you, and a dog can be your faithful companion for many years, but is the dog "better" than the rattlesnake? I don’t think so….they are what they are. Humans are subject to many failings, and because we have free will we can be held accountable for our actions, and judged by our peers to be good or bad. As more people populate the earth, we will see more of the bad, especially since the media will show it to us at every opportunity.  On the whole, are animals "better" than humans? I say no. George Adams

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I see you remember Senator Frank Church of Idaho.  Evidently he wasn’t too popular in some quarters in Idaho.  One time I stopped for gas in a small town there, gave the guy my credit card, whereupon after seeing the name on the card, gave me a squinty-eyed look and asked, "are you related to Senator Frank Church?"  I’m not, and said so, but might have denied it in any case as he looked ready to dump sugar in my gas tank or some other dastardly deed.  The good Senator and I were not related and didn’t share the same politics either.

Sen. Frank Church was one of the all-time great national figures. He did more for conservation anyone else in politics I can think of, with the possible exception of Teddy Rooseveldt. The Frank Church Wilderness in Idaho is named after him. It’s spectacular, enclosing the finest wilderness river in the lower 48 — the Middle Fork of the Salmon. I’m just sickened by the cast of disreputable characters that have taken over Idaho politics at the national level. I miss you, Frank, and I miss Sen.Chafee of Rhode Island, a Republican who wasn’t afraid to stand up for the public interest. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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You’re right of course, and Sen. Church should have been recognized with having a wilderness area named in his honor, at the least.  I didn’t mean to denigrate him, and hope you didn’t take it that way.  

Of course I didn’t, Frank. I’m sorry to have implied that. The FCWA is some spectacular country that I’d love to see up close and personal, like say, astride a horse on a pack-in flyfishing trip.

What you have to do is to take a week-long raft trip down the Middle Fork. There are other ways to see this country, but a raft (or drift boat) trip is the best. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I see you remember Senator Frank Church of Idaho.  Evidently he wasn’t too popular in some quarters in Idaho.  One time I stopped for gas in a small town there, gave the guy my credit card, whereupon after seeing the name on the card, gave me a squinty-eyed look and asked, "are you related to Senator Frank Church?"  I’m not, and said so, but might have denied it in any case as he looked ready to dump sugar in my gas tank or some other dastardly deed.  The good Senator and I were not related and didn’t share the same politics either. Sen. Frank Church was one of the all-time great national figures. He did more for conservation anyone else in politics I can think of, with the possible exception of Teddy Rooseveldt. The Frank Church Wilderness in Idaho is named after him. It’s spectacular, enclosing the finest wilderness river in the lower 48 — the Middle Fork of the Salmon. I’m just sickened by the cast of disreputable characters that have taken over Idaho politics at the national level. I miss you, Frank, and I miss Sen.Chafee of Rhode Island, a Republican who wasn’t afraid to stand up for the public interest. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

They named the north loop in Dallas the LBJ Freeway in honor of LBJ because they stole all of the land.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sen. Frank Church was one of the all-time great national figures. He did more for conservation anyone else in politics I can think of, with the possible exception of Teddy Rooseveldt. The Frank Church Wilderness in Idaho is named after him. It’s spectacular, enclosing the finest wilderness river in the lower 48 — the Middle Fork of the Salmon. I’m just sickened by the cast of disreputable characters that have taken over Idaho politics at the national level. I miss you, Frank, and I miss Sen.Chafee of Rhode Island, a Republican who wasn’t afraid to stand up for the public interest.

You’re right of course, and Sen. Church should have been recognized with having a wilderness area named in his honor, at the least.  I didn’t mean to denigrate him, and hope you didn’t take it that way.  The FCWA is some spectacular country that I’d love to see up close and personal, like say, astride a horse on a pack-in flyfishing trip. That will probably never happen but at least it’s nice to know it’s there, and waiting. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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They named the north loop in Dallas the LBJ Freeway in honor of LBJ because they stole all of the land.

        in view of the fact that "land stealing" is a well known core component of successful capitalism, i should think that lbj would occupy a prime space in your pantheon of heroes, david.         not that i, too, am *not* a capitalist; it just seems that if one is labeled a "democrat" (whatever that is), you refuse to believe that he can also be a capitalist.  i think you will have to admit that materialism is no respecter of political labels. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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   in view of the fact that "land stealing" is a well known core component of successful capitalism, i should think that lbj would occupy a prime space in your pantheon of heroes, david.

Not to mention the fact that LBJ was a *serious* poon hound<g. — Charlie…

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LBJ because they stole all of the land. My parents house was just a couple of miles north of where they built the LBJ Freeway and in our house it was always refered to as the SOB Freeway. Big Dale

But there was no one better at getting out the cementary vote than LBJ. Whether you were a republican or democrat…if you were dead…you always casted your vote for Lyndon. obroff (this one should be fun): How many believe that LBJ had a hand in the Dallas assassination of JFK? Waldo — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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LBJ because they stole all of the land.

My parents house was just a couple of miles north of where they built the LBJ Freeway and in our house it was always refered to as the SOB Freeway. Big Dale

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obroff (this one should be fun): How many believe that LBJ had a hand in the Dallas assassination of JFK? Waldo

Just a note Waldo, the MOSAD ran a full scale scenario of the Dallas shooting with their best marksmen and could not duplicate the event. Their official report said that Oswald didn’t do it.  The KGB didn’t do it and the Kremlin believed Kennedy to be the one man in Washington they could trust to some degree.  I wonder if they have the same faith in Clinton? Remember the quote from the Navigator in Dune?  "…plots within plots, within plots…" — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Remember the quote from the Navigator in Dune?  "…plots within plots, within plots…"

Wayne, for an old feller you sure seem rather adept with pop culture references. Mu

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In article <Pine.SOL.4.10.9911101035150.17986- Wayne, for an old feller you sure seem rather adept with pop culture references. Mu

Mu, I’ve never been too bashful to steal the good stuff from anybody’s culture!! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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The good Senator and I were not related and didn’t share the same politics either.

Of course that’s JUST what we could expect you to say under the circumstances! Got any ID bub?  Would you agree to a DNA analysis?    

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How many believe that LBJ had a hand in the Dallas assassination of JFK?

Dallas assassinated an airport?  Huh?  Where was I in ‘63?

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Dear Friends, I will be in western Quebec near La Verendrey (sp?) Park north of Maniwaki in mid July.  I would love to read your suggestions for flies for smallmouth, brook trout, pike.  Any information will be well received. Thanks so much. Sandford

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I will be in western Quebec near La Verendrey (sp?) Park north of Maniwaki in mid July.  I would love to read your suggestions for flies for smallmouth, brook trout, pike.  Any information will be well received.

Most fishing up there seems to be done from boats with bait or hard lures rather than with flies or afoot. Bass and brookies are seldom selective. For bass, all you need is 3 types: — dry fly or popper, — darkish streamer e.g. Muddler Minnow, — bright streamer e.g. Mickey Finn. In smaller sizes, brookies also take MM and MF avidly.  Brookies seem unselective about dry flies, but it would be prudent to carry a variety of sizes, say 10 to 20, including good floaters and high-visibility flies for rough water (preferred by brookies.) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Howdy FFers, I was planning on a 3 day float trip with an outfitter in Oregon in September with some friends.  Has anyone been on one of these trips in September?  Which river could give the best experience for some "inexperienced"  Flyfishers…

snip John I would opt for floating the Deschutes from Mack’s Canyon to the mouth.  Should be excellent steelhead fishing at that time of the year.  I highly reccommend the crew at the Fly Fishing Shop at Welches, Or.  Excellent guides and great company.  They only run three guides and two of them are the owners.   Try www.teleport.com/~flyfish/ for a description of their trips or call them at 503-622-4607.  I think they also have a 1-800 number.  800-266-3971 but have never used it so can’t swear it’s still a valid number.   No finicial relationship just a satisfied customer. Jim Jones For e-mail reply replace spam with sns Jim Jones For e-mail reply replace spam with sns

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Howdy FFers, I was planning on a 3 day float trip with an outfitter in Oregon in September with some friends.  Has anyone been on one of these trips in September?  Which river could give the best experience for some "inexperienced"  Flyfishers… Best wilderness?  Best outfit?  We could do trout, steelhead, or smallmouth for fun.   Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your help, -John —        My Policy is to ALWAYS Blame the Computer

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That should be a great time to fish the ‘Horn and it’s not that far of a drive from Denver.

Out west, "not that far of a drive" means you can get there in a day. The Bighorn is at least an 8 hour drive from Denver, probably closer to 10.  It’s a fine river, but a 3 day trip would mean 2 long days of driving for a single day of fishing, on a river where wade access is VERY limited. Also, the Bighorn doesn’t have a true "runoff" period, but the flows can and do go up considerably during May and June, making it that much harder to wade. Any decent fly (or tackle) shop in Denver should be able to direct you to something much closer.  There are plenty of lakes and tailwaters a couple hours’ away from Denver that should be fine. CQ

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That should be a great time to fish the ‘Horn and it’s not that far of a drive from Denver. I will be in Denver May 20th for 5 days,  where could I drive to for fishing not blown out by run off.  Any ideas??? You’ll need a very fast car to get you up to Montana and back and to throw in some fishing if ya only have 5 days…nearest fishing in MT would be the Big Horn..and it might not be "blown out"

– Brian D. Nelson, Missoula, Montana Montana Flyfishing and Hunting Outfitter http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm http://www.montana.com/dno/hunt.htm

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: I will be in Denver May 20th for 5 days,  where could I drive to for : fishing not blown out by run off.  Any ideas??? The southern hemisphere? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: I will be in Denver May 20th for 5 days,  where could I drive to for : fishing not blown out by run off.  Any ideas???

Go to the Platte River Cemetery at Deckers which is Tailwater below the dam.  There is also South Park.  Better you than me.  I hope you have a good time. Mr. G.

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I will be in Denver May 20th for 5 days,  where could I drive to for fishing not blown out by run off.  Any ideas???

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I will be in Denver May 20th for 5 days,  where could I drive to for fishing not blown out by run off.  Any ideas???

You’ll need a very fast car to get you up to Montana and back and to throw in some fishing if ya only have 5 days…nearest fishing in MT would be the Big Horn..and it might not be "blown out"

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The Beaverkill is in need of urgent help from those who Love to Fly Fish. I went last year and the fishing was lousy but I can see why it is the most notorious fishery in the world. The Orvis company and the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation will match your donation to the Local Trout Unlimited for this effort. IT IS A 2 TO 1 MATCH If you donate $10.00 dollars they make it $30.00 Not Bad Make all checks  Payable to: Trout Unlimited/Beaverkill Restoration Project Mail to Orvis Route 7A Manchester, VT 05254 Department RS Thanks for the support of our waterways Bob Burbage

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The Beaverkill is in need of urgent help from those who Love to Fly Fish. I went last year and the fishing was lousy but I can see why it is the most notorious fishery in the world.

A lot of this had to do with the damage done from the big freeze-thaw last January.  That was merely nature doing it’s work and it’s likely that nature will take it’s course and the fishery will improve. The Orvis company and the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation will match your donation to the Local Trout Unlimited for this effort.

Details snipped.  Since I consider the Beaverkill one of my near home waters this article had some interest. However, before sending in a check I’d like to know exactly how this money is going to be spent.  

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I wish it was merely nature doing it’s work last January. However, after the flood, the NY DEC indiscriminately handed out hundreds of permits to landowners for "stream improvements" to "correct" the flood damage to many streams in the Catskills, including many that feed the Beaverkill and both branches of the Delaware River. These ignorant people bulldozed many of these important feeders and did infinitely more damage than the flood. The DEC was totally negligent in not monitoring much of this destruction. Nature will take it’s course, but I’m not convinced that the fishery will improve for many years to come. For more info on this, see the latest issue of Trout Unlimited’s Trout magazine. That article is enough to make a grown man cry.  

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I have lost the info on how to unsubscribe please tell me how thanks Serge

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I have lost the info on how to unsubscribe please tell me how

You cannot subscribe or unsubscribe from an open newsgroup (e.g. rec.outdoors.fishing.fly).  It is always there, whether you go into it or not.  If you have used your Internet node software to select some "favourite" newsgroups that are speedily retrieved for you, you should be able to revise it to suit yourself. — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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I have lost the info on how to unsubscribe please tell me how thanks Serge

functions of the software that you’re using.  For instance, in Navigator, you just ‘uncheck’ the group name. — Bob Lundy IWFFC Mississauga, ON, Canada **new**     http://home.ican.net/~rlundy/

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Does anybody have any information on fly fishing in the Linville Falls community area. I have been camping near there in the past and looked like a nice place to go. I have never been Fly fishing before, but would like to try since someone gave me some gear. Thanks for any info. Chris

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I forgot to put that is Linville Falls community in N.C.

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Any recommendations for the Stillwater the second week in July.  Looking for fly patterns and access points. Thanks! Don Albrecht

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I am going to fish the Stillwater River in Montana the second week in July. Any suggestions on flys and access points? I may have sent this message twice, since I’m new to the network and still learning! Sorry if someone sees it as a repeat. Don Donald Albrecht

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onald Albrecht write: : :I am going to fish the Stillwater River in Montana the second :week in :July. Any suggestions on flys and access points? : on : Don, There is a flyshop in Whitefish, Montana where I am sure you can get sound advice. Unfortunately, I can’t remember the name of the shop. Someone else here probably knows of it. Whitefish, by the way, is a delightful little town. If you have time, definitely drive to the Kootnai River. If I remember correctly its only about 90 minutes from the Whitefish-Kalispell area and it is northwest Montana’s best trout stream. Tim

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Any recommendations for the Stillwater the second week in July.  Looking for fly patterns and access points. Thanks! Don Albrecht

Back in ‘81 I had a great time staying at the Stillwater Valley Ranch outside of Nye Montana. They also ran an operation known as "Montana School of Flyfishing." It was owned by the Moat family, and was a real nice place for the novice or experienced fisherman. My understanding was most of the land on the river was private and protected (at that time) rather jealously by the ranchers. Haven’t kept track of the Moats, but don’t see their ad anymore in the mags. Best to check with the DNR for info and access, or see if these guys still have their place. Kevin Williams

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Kootnai river is definately some of the best FF in Montana – actually world class.  It is located near Libby MT, way up in the north west corner. As far as the stillwater is concerned, it is *ok*. As far as the FF shop in Whitefish, It is called "One Season Fly Fishing Shop" and the phone number is (406) 862-1298. Other inquiries about Montana FF are welcomed, reply to Jeff

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