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All in all, a nice weekend; only 12 months until the next one. Jack will be here, as always, probably Randall Kauffman too, and a large number of flyfishing books from Australia for the collection.

  Thanks for the info.  Let us know the date of next year’s event. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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This Friday and Saturday, Jack Dennis and Mike Lawson will be at the University of Wyoming (in Laramie, about 50 miles east of Cheyenne).

  Oh, no.  They moved Laramie?  I really liked the old location:)   Boy, that sounds like a good time.  If I wasn’t all traveled out, I’d go. Also, the ice is going off.  Time to do some local fishing, finally. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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i think you mean west of cheyenne….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This Friday and Saturday, Jack Dennis and Mike Lawson will be at the University of Wyoming (in Laramie, about 50 miles east of Cheyenne).

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  Oh, no.  They moved Laramie?  I really liked the old location:)   Boy, that sounds like a good time.

    Drag your sorry ass down; me and Willi are going.

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    Drag your sorry ass down; me and Willi are going.

  Well, that’s just not fair.  The two guys I know who least need any education in the fly fishing field get to go and the guy who could really benefit has a severe case of jet lag and there’s no way I could have made it to Laramie.   Man, I’m beat.  On March 6th & 7th, I was on the Bighorn.  On the 8th, I drove home to Buffalo, changed gear and drove to Denver so I could be airborne to Orlando on Sat. am.  I went with my retired pilot friends to the EAA fly in at Lakeland.  I got to fly first class both ways and got to drink some first class gin & tonics.  (I’m back on the wagon, now.)  I went from 10 degrees on the ‘horn to 85 degrees with big time humidity in Fla.  How the heck to folks live down there?   The fishing on the Bighorn was really slow.  Everyone caught some fish on Wed. when we floated from mile 3 to Bighorn.  No surface action and the fly rod guides didn’t stay thawed out to about 2:00 pm.  We stayed at Cottonwood and noticed the place was packed.  We decided to float the lower river, Bighorn to Mallard, in the hopes there wouldn’t be a crowd.  That panned out.  But, there were no fish caught by the 5 in our group.  We’d never fished that stretch so it was interesting to see some new country.  There was a lot of "fishy" looking water and the water was pretty clear.  There are some pretty good fishermen in our group so I was very surprised that there were no fish caught.  I guess the buys did pretty good on Friday when they fished from afterbay to mile 3 but the river was very crowded.   Has anyone heard of any talk about a pretty heavy fish kill on the ‘horn?  A couple of months ago, we saw a large number of dead fish on the bottom.  There’s been some talk of last years low flows impacting the fish population.   The stream in town is ice free and I’m going out this afternoon to see if any local lakes have opened up.  Life is good:) Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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This Friday and Saturday, Jack Dennis and Mike Lawson will be at the University of Wyoming (in Laramie, about 50 miles east of Cheyenne).

~^beancounter~^ added: i think you mean west of cheyenne…..

the wind can blow pretty hard up here…. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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This Friday and Saturday, Jack Dennis and Mike Lawson will be at the University of Wyoming (in Laramie, about 50 miles east of Cheyenne).

  So tell us about the seminar. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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What is the TITLE of this tape and who is selling it I wonder? Does anyone know? George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That streamer footage is awesome. Saw it in Wichita in Feb. This Friday and Saturday, Jack Dennis and Mike Lawson will be at the University of Wyoming (in Laramie, about 50 miles east of Cheyenne).   So tell us about the seminar. Snoop Friday was a combination of casting demos, tying demos, and presentations on fishing tactics. All of the tying demos took place in the student union lobby; Jack Dennis would tie for an hour, then Mike Lawson for another hour and so on. While one was in the lobby tying flies, the other would either be outside casting or else upstairs giving a fishing seminar. Saturday morning was more of the same. The most memorable parts for me were Jack’s seminar on streamer fishing (consisting largely of video footage of trout eating mice, frogs, and baitfish. gotta get a copy of that.), and getting enough pointers from Lawson on tying the no-hackle to actually start tying them myself. The Colorado Delegation arrived too late for the streamer video, but just in time for the panel discussion on instream flows. Not as entertaining as watching trout eat live mice, but still very worthwhile. The Saturday night banquet was very nice. Good food, good company, and lots of raffle loot. Jack and Mike hosted an excellent presentation on fly fishing literature to dedicate the establishment of the Gary LaFontaine Book Collection at UW’s Centennial Museum. This collection will complement the Toppan Collection, which has been a feature of every symposium we’ve held, and one of Gary LaFontaine’s favorite attractions during his visits here. The new collection is off to a good start, with donations from Jack Dennis, Stan Bradshaw, John Gierach, and many others. Finally, it was time to go home, so we all did. The next morning the organizers had planned (as usual) to go on a float trip to celebrate, but weather intervened and Sunday mornings festivities consisted of an early morning drive down a long narrow road, standing around in a parking lot talking about how windy it was today and where we planned to fish later in the season, followed by a midday trip back home on that same road, only with stronger crosswinds. All in all, a nice weekend; only 12 months until the next one. Jack will be here, as always, probably Randall Kauffman too, and a large number of flyfishing books from Australia for the collection. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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That streamer footage is awesome. Saw it in Wichita in Feb. What is the TITLE of this tape and who is selling it I wonder? Does anyone know?

It’s something of his own that Jack had, and as much as he’d like to incorporate it into a complete video, one of the key people involved in making it is hard to locate. Until he can get this person’s permission to borrow the footage for a new video (on streamer fishing), there won’t be one. I wouldn’t say never, but I would say to be patient and watch for it. Until then, if you’re at any sports show where Jack is doing a seminar on streamer fishing, go to it and you’ll probably see the footage. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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    So tell us about the seminar.     I picked Willi up at the Rancho de Peros at about eleven and we headed north, soothed by the soundtrack to "Oh Brother Where Art Thou" (Willi said he had to get used to that kind of music because he’s soon going to be sharing living accommodations with a bunch of banjo pickin’ hillbillies), we arrived at the UW campus just as some famous people were breaking for lunch. The afternoon was spent at a symposium where more famous people talked about progressive water right laws like we’ll NEVER see in Colorado, but before you knew it, it was about beer-thirty, so Willi and I headed downtown and killed a little time before the banquet. The banquet was very nice, the food was excellent and Rusty’s chapter even threw in a host bar (my chapter would be in the red if they ever did anything as foolhardy), I spent an hour juggling free booze while trying not to look too interested in the silent auction painting I was determined to take home. After dinner Jack Dennis and Mike Lawson gave a very touching slide show, which dedicated the Gary Lafontaine library collection. I won a bunch of cool junk I have no use for at the raffle, so I’ll probably send some of it with Willi to the Penn’s Clave. Enjoyed a great Fuente on the drive home.

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    So tell us about the seminar.     I picked Willi up at the Rancho de Peros at about eleven and we headed north, soothed by the soundtrack to "Oh Brother Where Art Thou" (Willi said he had to get used to that kind of music because he’s soon going to be sharing living accommodations with a bunch of banjo pickin’ hillbillies)

That’s Charlie’s joke, not mine! Willi

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    So tell us about the seminar.     I picked Willi up at the Rancho de Peros at about eleven and we headed north, soothed by the soundtrack to "Oh Brother Where Art Thou" (Willi said he had to get used to that kind of music because he’s soon going to be sharing living accommodations with a bunch of banjo pickin’ hillbillies),

jeff can’t play da ‘jo worth sheet. only din tom picks iz heez nose. no worry willi, afta a few swigs of the mountain brew, ya ain’t gonna hear the music…. gusto..

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Clave. Enjoyed a great Fuente on the drive home.

Just took delivery from London of a dozen Opus X’s, and a box of Romeo and Julietta’s. Came right through customs marked "cigars". Now if I just had a damn trip to a stream to smoke a few.

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Just took delivery from London of a dozen Opus X’s, and a box of Romeo and Julietta’s. Came right through customs marked "cigars". Now if I just had a damn trip to a stream to smoke a few.

  I’ll bet Charlie and I could fix you up with more streams than you could imagine.  That is, of course, as long as you bring along your latest shipment:) What about it Charlie?  Wanna split some X’s and R&J’s? Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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  I’ll bet Charlie and I could fix you up with more streams than you could imagine.  That is, of course, as long as you bring along your latest shipment:)

Perhaps you might better explain "fix you up". Where I come from it means you are either about to have a blind date with the ugliest girl in the county or you had better not bend over without looking back first. But ifin I can get out of a fundraising committment I have this weekend by just writing a check instead, then some of them ceegars should be parked on the South Platte this weekend. I think I might make the Penns thingie for a couple of days at least and I need a little practice, if only I can make sure I can get the fly onto the water. Wayne

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Perhaps you might better explain "fix you up". Where I come from it means you are either about to have a blind date with the ugliest girl in the county or you had better not bend over without looking back first.

  She wouldn’t be that ugly.  Trust us. But ifin I can get out of a fundraising committment I have this weekend by just writing a check instead, then some of them ceegars should be parked on the South Platte this weekend. I think I might make the Penns thingie for a couple of days at least and I need a little practice, if only I can make sure I can get the fly onto the water.

  Ummm.  South Platte is a long way for me to go to fish or smoke a cigar.  I guess I’ll just have to stay home and smoke one or two of my maduro Double Chateau Fuente’s:) Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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This Friday and Saturday, Jack Dennis and Mike Lawson will be at the University of Wyoming (in Laramie, about 50 miles east of Cheyenne).   So tell us about the seminar. Snoop

Friday was a combination of casting demos, tying demos, and presentations on fishing tactics. All of the tying demos took place in the student union lobby; Jack Dennis would tie for an hour, then Mike Lawson for another hour and so on. While one was in the lobby tying flies, the other would either be outside casting or else upstairs giving a fishing seminar. Saturday morning was more of the same. The most memorable parts for me were Jack’s seminar on streamer fishing (consisting largely of video footage of trout eating mice, frogs, and baitfish. gotta get a copy of that.), and getting enough pointers from Lawson on tying the no-hackle to actually start tying them myself. The Colorado Delegation arrived too late for the streamer video, but just in time for the panel discussion on instream flows. Not as entertaining as watching trout eat live mice, but still very worthwhile. The Saturday night banquet was very nice. Good food, good company, and lots of raffle loot. Jack and Mike hosted an excellent presentation on fly fishing literature to dedicate the establishment of the Gary LaFontaine Book Collection at UW’s Centennial Museum. This collection will complement the Toppan Collection, which has been a feature of every symposium we’ve held, and one of Gary LaFontaine’s favorite attractions during his visits here. The new collection is off to a good start, with donations from Jack Dennis, Stan Bradshaw, John Gierach, and many others. Finally, it was time to go home, so we all did. The next morning the organizers had planned (as usual) to go on a float trip to celebrate, but weather intervened and Sunday mornings festivities consisted of an early morning drive down a long narrow road, standing around in a parking lot talking about how windy it was today and where we planned to fish later in the season, followed by a midday trip back home on that same road, only with stronger crosswinds. All in all, a nice weekend; only 12 months until the next one. Jack will be here, as always, probably Randall Kauffman too, and a large number of flyfishing books from Australia for the collection. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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That streamer footage is awesome. Saw it in Wichita in Feb.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This Friday and Saturday, Jack Dennis and Mike Lawson will be at the University of Wyoming (in Laramie, about 50 miles east of Cheyenne).   So tell us about the seminar. Snoop Friday was a combination of casting demos, tying demos, and presentations on fishing tactics. All of the tying demos took place in the student union lobby; Jack Dennis would tie for an hour, then Mike Lawson for another hour and so on. While one was in the lobby tying flies, the other would either be outside casting or else upstairs giving a fishing seminar. Saturday morning was more of the same. The most memorable parts for me were Jack’s seminar on streamer fishing (consisting largely of video footage of trout eating mice, frogs, and baitfish. gotta get a copy of that.), and getting enough pointers from Lawson on tying the no-hackle to actually start tying them myself. The Colorado Delegation arrived too late for the streamer video, but just in time for the panel discussion on instream flows. Not as entertaining as watching trout eat live mice, but still very worthwhile. The Saturday night banquet was very nice. Good food, good company, and lots of raffle loot. Jack and Mike hosted an excellent presentation on fly fishing literature to dedicate the establishment of the Gary LaFontaine Book Collection at UW’s Centennial Museum. This collection will complement the Toppan Collection, which has been a feature of every symposium we’ve held, and one of Gary LaFontaine’s favorite attractions during his visits here. The new collection is off to a good start, with donations from Jack Dennis, Stan Bradshaw, John Gierach, and many others. Finally, it was time to go home, so we all did. The next morning the organizers had planned (as usual) to go on a float trip to celebrate, but weather intervened and Sunday mornings festivities consisted of an early morning drive down a long narrow road, standing around in a parking lot talking about how windy it was today and where we planned to fish later in the season, followed by a midday trip back home on that same road, only with stronger crosswinds. All in all, a nice weekend; only 12 months until the next one. Jack will be here, as always, probably Randall Kauffman too, and a large number of flyfishing books from Australia for the collection. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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This Friday and Saturday, Jack Dennis and Mike Lawson will be at the University of Wyoming (in Laramie, about 50 miles east of Cheyenne). There will be tying and casting demos, along with other presentations on both fishing and conservation issues. There is a banquet and raffle on Saturday night ($20 per person); everything else is free. Things get started at 9AM both days, and all events will take place in the Wyoming Student Union, except for a reception on Friday at the Toppan Angling Books Collection, which will take place at the American Heritage Center. For further information call the Wyoming Union Ticket Office at 307-766-3160, or contact me by email (after de-munging the addy. This event is sponsored by the University Flycasters and the Wyoming Student Chapter of the American Fisheries Society. This is the seventh one of these we’ve done, and they’re always a good time. Make it if you can. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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Luis, I didn’t want to give the impression that my second son, Jared, is incapable of mastering different skills.  I think he can.  However, they will not be the same skills as my first son, Jacob. (snip) There are many kinds of intelligence, and strengths… we all have and lack some.  They come into play in the form of different paths for each flyfisher.

You are correct.  In 1995 Howard Gardner, an educator, had a book published that described intelligence as stands of spaghetti or string.  "Multiple intelligences" as he put it, could be categorized into seven areas or strings: logical-mathematical, linguistic, musical, spatial, bodily-kinesthetic, interpersonal, and intrapersonal.  Each individual intelligence stand or string is constantly touching and interacting with all the another stands.  It is hard to separate one from the other.  All children have all of these intelligences, however not in the same quantity. Every child has ONE area that they are strongest in.  That child would then be classified as that type of a LEARNER. The problem with the traditional I.Q. test, which the schools still use today, is that it measures intelligence as a glass of liquid.  The test determines how much liquid is in the glass.  That is all.  It makes no classification of strong areas and weak areas. The old I.Q. test is still used because, though educators can test a child to see which of the multiple intelligences they are strongest in, they can not determine how much of that intelligence they have.  Additionally, no child is equal to another in all areas or in the way that their intelligences interact with each other.  It’s kind of like a fingerprint. Every child is unique in the way they learn and think. Let me take a second to described the SEVEN intelligences: LOGICAL-MATHEMATICAL:          They have a sensitivity to and capacity to discern, logical or numerical patterns; ability to handle long chains of reasoning. LINGUISTIC:          They have a sensitivity to the sounds, rhythms, and meanings of words; sensitivity to the different functions of language. MUSICAL:          They have the abilities to produce and appreciate rhythm, pitch, and timbre; appreciation of the forms of musical expressiveness. SPATIAL:        They have the capacities to perceive the visual-spatial world accurately and to perform transformations on one’s initial perceptions. BODILY-KINESTHETIC:          They have the abilities to control one’s body movements and to handle objects skillfully. INTERPERSONAL:          They have the capacities to discern and respond appropriately to the moods, temperaments, motivations, and desires of other people. INTRAPERSONAL:          Access to one’s own feelings and the ability to discriminate among them and draw on them to guide behavior; knowledge of one’s own strengths, weaknesses, desires, and intelligences. Luis, the gentleman that you speak of, though it might not be his highest area, is high in interpersonal intelligence.  This is why he does well in restaurant relations.  He might also be high in bodily-kinesthetic and spatial intelligences.  Regarding his low ability of reading, could indicate that he is low in linguistic.  He probably is.  However, I would gather to say that the greater reason is due to educators giving up on him due to his struggle with the written word.  And maybe he gave up on himself.  I personally believe EVERYONE can read and write well if adequate attention and dedication is given to learning it. My oldest son, Jacob, is a linguistic learner, thus does well in a traditional school setting. My second son, Jared, is a spatial learner, however he’s also almost bind. What an irony.  This gives him a handicap in his learning due to the way his brain works vs. the lack of eye sight.  He learns best when he can see something, however, with his pop-bottle glasses, he only get a circle of clear vision directly in front of him.  A normal range of vision is about 45 degrees.  Jared’s range of clear vision is about 15-20 degrees with no peripheral vision to speak of.  You can see how this limits him in his learning as a spatial learner. Jared, however, is highly coordinated and has good control of his body movements. Jacob is not.  Jacob is a physical klutz. My original question was to narrow down what type of intelligence is most useful in fly fishing.  I would gather to say that a musical, interpersonal, or intrapersonal learners would not use their strongest areas in fly fishing.  However, a spatial, linguistic, logical-mathematical, or bodily-kinesthetic learners could possibly use their strongest areas in fly fishing.  But, which one is most important in constantly catching the most and largest fish?  Can a linguistic learner sit and read all book available to become an excellent fly fisherman?  Can a logical-mathematical learner evaluate the odds in different situations to become an excellent fly fisherman?  Can a bodily-kinesthetic learner practice casting until it’s perfect and become an excellent fly fisherman?  Or, can a spatial learner look at his environment and become an excellent fly fisherman?  All these areas might be important like string touching each other.  However, which one area is most important?  That’s what I was originally getting at without a long drown out explanation, which I just did.  Not to say that anyone is stupid.  I don’t think anyone really is. Vern

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Vern, I’ll echo what you have heard from the other posters. There are indeed mental and physical components to fly fishing, and there can be many approaches to the sport. A real strength in one component can compensate for a weakness in the other. Your boys may develop very different methods and tactics, but with your guidance and obvious enthusiasm both should fare quite well. You guys are lucky to have each other. George Adams

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I then read someone else’s post about an individual that can’t cast beyond 20 feet and only uses a limited selection of flies, but catches more and larger fish than anyone else in their party.  It caused me to think about what it takes to be a good fly fisherman.  Is it the ability to read the water, understand what the fish might be thinking, know the difference between the different species, know where and how to place the fly, know what’s hatching, etc.  Or, is it the ability to make a nice cast that drops the fly softly on the water, etc.  Both are important, but what is more important the intellectual or the physical?

  I wrote the post about the 20-ft. caster, and in his case, it is an intuitive genius, a sixth sense, if you will, regarding the ways of living things, be they trout or elk. When fishing, he is totally focused, although he might casually point out a mother duck and her brood hiding in an eddy, deep in the shadows of an overhang, that you and the next 30 guys would have never seen. This man has great trouble reading, in fact is near-illiterate, but he is an expert at observing and gleaning information from people. He can also charm anyone at will, it seems, at any time. He once had every waitress in a Colorado restaurant at our table, telling us their life and love stories not 20 minutes after arriving, and he flirted with every one of them, and not one gave any sign of being left out.  I think this magic translates or transmutates into fly fishing. There are many kinds of intelligence, and strengths… we all have and lack some. They come into play in the form of different paths for each flyfisher. I recommend reading about the different paths in Yoga, in a book by Mircea Eliade. The part on the many paths relates to this topic.                                          — Luis

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Is fly fishing an intellectual skill or a skill of physical capability? My two oldest boys are as different as night and day.  Jacob (my oldest boy at age 9) is an intellectual genius with a photographic memory.  His I.Q. is 142, although he’s a social and physical klutz.  Jared (my second son at age 7) is a highly physically coordinated and socially talented young man. However, his I.Q. is only 80 which makes him mentally challenged.  Their grades at school are indicators of these differences. I take both boys fishing.  Their attack at the sport are completely different which I believe is an indication of their age difference, as well. Jacob is 9 years old and Jared is 7 years old, so there is two years difference.  At their ages, two years is a huge difference.  I’m currently trying to teach Jacob how to fly fish.  He seams to have a problem with casting. I then read someone else’s post about an individual that can’t cast beyond 20 feet and only uses a limited selection of flies, but catches more and larger fish than anyone else in their party.  It caused me to think about what it takes to be a good fly fisherman.  Is it the ability to read the water, understand what the fish might be thinking, know the difference between the different species, know where and how to place the fly, know what’s hatching, etc.  Or, is it the ability to make a nice cast that drops the fly softly on the water, etc.  Both are important, but what is more important the intellectual or the physical? Your opinions are appreciated and could make an interesting discussion.  In addition, your comments can only help me in helping my boys enjoy the sport. In advance, thanks for your comments. Vern

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I have two boys, aged 30 and 27, who have been fly fishing since little tots. I never tried to direct their interest or overly instruct, I felt that if they stuck with it they would develop their own skills and interests. The youngest can lay out a dry 60 ft as pretty as you ever want to see, the oldest maybe 40, but he can out roll cast the younger by 15 ft. One prefers dries and wets and one prefers sight fishing and nymphs. I guess what I am saying is, give them the opportunity to experience the different facets, don’t force any one on them or over instruct and most of all let em have fun… Both of my boys are married now with two children each and long for the times when they were young with no cares but for the next strike. jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is fly fishing an intellectual skill or a skill of physical capability? My two oldest boys are as different as night and day.  Jacob (my oldest boy at age 9) is an intellectual genius with a photographic memory.  His I.Q. is 142, although he’s a social and physical klutz.  Jared (my second son at age 7) is a highly physically coordinated and socially talented young man. However, his I.Q. is only 80 which makes him mentally challenged.  Their grades at school are indicators of these differences. I take both boys fishing.  Their attack at the sport are completely different which I believe is an indication of their age difference, as well. Jacob is 9 years old and Jared is 7 years old, so there is two years difference.  At their ages, two years is a huge difference.  I’m currently trying to teach Jacob how to fly fish.  He seams to have a problem with casting. I then read someone else’s post about an individual that can’t cast beyond 20 feet and only uses a limited selection of flies, but catches more and larger fish than anyone else in their party.  It caused me to think about what it takes to be a good fly fisherman.  Is it the ability to read the water, understand what the fish might be thinking, know the difference between the different species, know where and how to place the fly, know what’s hatching, etc.  Or, is it the ability to make a nice cast that drops the fly softly on the water, etc.  Both are important, but what is more important the intellectual or the physical? Your opinions are appreciated and could make an interesting discussion.  In addition, your comments can only help me in helping my boys enjoy the sport. In advance, thanks for your comments. Vern

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[snip] I then read someone else’s post about an individual that can’t cast beyond 20 feet and only uses a limited selection of flies, but catches more and larger fish than anyone else in their party.

[and again] Vern, don’t believe everything Louie LaPlac posts. First of all, I *know* on a good day with a trailing breeze that he can actually cast close to 30 feet! /daytripper ;^)

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Is fly fishing an intellectual skill or a skill of physical capability?

It is basically what you make of it. You can fly-fish with hardly  any knowledge at all, or you can devote incredible amounts of time attaining knowledge and skills to supplement it.  The main thing is to enjoy it, no matter how you go about it. TL MC

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Is fly fishing an intellectual skill or a skill of physical capability?

One of the best flyfishermen I’ve ever fished with doesn’t cast beyond 40 feet. Not that he doesn’t have the physical skill. He moves on the stream like an otter and always seems to position himself where he doesn’t need to make a long cast. On the other hand, the ability to see the fly and react to the strike sure seems to have faded in direct proportion to the increase in grey hair and waist size. Like most things, it depends. Teach your children both, to their individual abilities and have a good time doing it. You’re a lucky guy. — Ken Fortenberry

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Hi Vern, All of the tenets of fly fishing are as important as one makes them.  Some believe that the quantity or quality of fish caught is the measure of a fly fisherman.  Others treat the sport differently.  I have met guys who are full fledged streamside entomologists.  Others are stream side ichthyologists as they know every aspect of a particular fish’s behavior.  I know others who prefer to tie flies than to fish.  Personally, I love to cast, learn about the bugs, the fish and I am now tying my flies.  It seems that I am evolving as I learn more of the sport.  I can’t tell you what part of fly fishing will be important to me next year, but I guarantee I will be fly fishing. Expose Jacob and Jared to the fly fishing world, and let them gravitate toward their individual preferences.  It is much like music.  Many folks play the piano, but some gravitate to classical music while others gravitate to rock music. Pete

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is fly fishing an intellectual skill or a skill of physical capability? My two oldest boys are as different as night and day.  Jacob (my oldest boy at age 9) is an intellectual genius with a photographic memory.  His I.Q. is 142, although he’s a social and physical klutz.  Jared (my second son at age 7) is a highly physically coordinated and socially talented young man. However, his I.Q. is only 80 which makes him mentally challenged.  Their grades at school are indicators of these differences. I take both boys fishing.  Their attack at the sport are completely different which I believe is an indication of their age difference, as well. Jacob is 9 years old and Jared is 7 years old, so there is two years difference.  At their ages, two years is a huge difference.  I’m currently trying to teach Jacob how to fly fish.  He seams to have a problem with casting. I then read someone else’s post about an individual that can’t cast beyond 20 feet and only uses a limited selection of flies, but catches more and larger fish than anyone else in their party.  It caused me to think about what it takes to be a good fly fisherman.  Is it the ability to read the water, understand what the fish might be thinking, know the difference between the different species, know where and how to place the fly, know what’s hatching, etc.  Or, is it the ability to make a nice cast that drops the fly softly on the water, etc.  Both are important, but what is more important the intellectual or the physical? Your opinions are appreciated and could make an interesting discussion. In addition, your comments can only help me in helping my boys enjoy the sport. In advance, thanks for your comments. Vern

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Will be fishing at Spinney and/or Eleven Mile in a few days.  Any info on northern pike or other fishing would be appreciated.  Thanks

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Will be fishing at Spinney and/or Eleven Mile in a few days.  Any info on northern pike or other fishing would be appreciated.  Thanks

Big spoons in the 2-3 ft deep weedy shallows if you are casting. Black or yellow zonkers or BIG wolly buggers in the same place if you are fly fishing. If you have to fish from shore, you are pretty much out of luck. cheers oz

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Call this number for info- 1-719-748-3424  Elevenmile Store This is an article(1997) from Fishng & Hunting MAG Sleep Late, then fish the shallows at Elevenmile Resevoir and you’ll catch Northern Pike.  Pike aren’t noted for being early feeders so theres no point in fishing the lake until after 10 am.  The bite gets underway in late morning, then it tapers off in early afternoon and picks back up again around 5:30 pm. Elevenmile is loaded with pike.  The majority of them are in he 18-26 inch range but there are some fish over 30 inches in the lake, and probably some are getting close to 40 inches now. Some of the favorite spots include: Parking lot cove- west of the Corral Cove parking lot East Bay The Columnist, Ed Marsh prefers to use Stickbaits, like the Luhr Jenson Minnow in the fire tiger pattern(4 1/2 inches) All of the coves mentioned are shallow and weedy, and you definetly need waders to fish them properly.  From the shoreline you simply cannot cast far enough to cover enough water for fishing. Another bit of advice.  If you go there, the afternoons here in Colorado are very windy, so don’t go too far in a belly boat(Experience!) Most people I know who go to Elevinemile for pike use large Rapalas colored like Rainbow Trout and do pretty well. Also, if you use smaller spoons, you’ll probably hook up with some of the trout that haven’t been eaten by the Pike! Dan Dow Check my page- http://community-2.webtv.net/dandow/KINGFISHEROFTHEWORLD/page2.html thanks!

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Going to Colorado next week to fish for northern pike.  Any tips would be appreciated.  Thanks, Ed.

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where do you expect to find northern pike in Colorado? there  are a few lakes on the front range where the tiger musky has been stocked but i never heard of any northern in colorado.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Going to Colorado next week to fish for northern pike.  Any tips would be appreciated.  Thanks, Ed.

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What lakes are you fishing?  Bring your coat! Going to Colorado next week to fish for northern pike.  Any tips would be appreciated.  Thanks, Ed.

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From what I’ve heard, there’s plenty of pike in various Colorado lakes, albiet I’ve heard there somewhat over populated and sizes tend to run on the hammer handle size. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – where do you expect to find northern pike in Colorado? there  are a few lakes on the front range where the tiger musky has been stocked but i never heard of any northern in colorado. Going to Colorado next week to fish for northern pike.  Any tips would be appreciated.  Thanks, Ed.

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Spinney Mountain Reservoir has plenty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From what I’ve heard, there’s plenty of pike in various Colorado lakes, albiet I’ve heard there somewhat over populated and sizes tend to run on the hammer handle size. where do you expect to find northern pike in Colorado? there  are a few lakes on the front range where the tiger musky has been stocked but i never heard of any northern in colorado. Going to Colorado next week to fish for northern pike.  Any tips would be appreciated.  Thanks, Ed.

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I’ve driven all over the country and seen some mighty fine independent outdoor shops. Long-time owner-operated, hardwood floors, hand-picked stock, great stuff, great stories, multi-generation shops. Let’s wake up folks. These shops are going the way of the dodo. The chains and BAD shops are taking over. Maybe one way we can STOP this sad trend is to make a list of our favorite shops nationwide. Then stop by when we’re in the area. Maybe go on drives to see these treasures! One selfish reason of mine to do this is that I haven’t taken a big road trip lately and I’d like to go revisit some of those great ole shops. OK, I forgot where some of them were. Of course, you know that outdoor sport shops aren’t the only disappearing dodos in civilized retail. Quality independent restaurants, hardware stores and bookshops are in the same boat. Maybe there’s a way we can rescue them all at once? Putting the word out about where there are can’t be a bad way to start. — Jeff Potter   !.com   delete ‘DELETETHIS!’ to reply ***"Out Your Backdoor": Friendly Magazine of DIY Adventure and Culture        http://www.glpbooks.com/oyb … with a full line of books, bookstore & forum

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The chains and BAD shops are taking over. Maybe one way we can STOP this sad trend is to make a list of our favorite shops nationwide. Then stop by when we’re in the area.

My experience so far is that the typical chain store doesn’t carry the best outdoor gear… i.e. they will have Timberland boots but not Vasque or Asolo… But in Birmingham Alabama I would recommend Alabama Outdoor and Roger’s Trading Co.  I have to say, though, that one of my favorite things to do in Atlanta is visit REI, and I think they are a great place to get gear. cordwood

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In the Dallas Texas Area, look to: Backwoods  (corner of Coit and Campbell roads, Richardson) <–also carry flyfishing gear, woohoo! Mountain Hideout Lover’s Lane, just a block West of the Dallas North tollway We have an REI in town, but I like these stores better, they go out of their way for you, whether you are asking for an expensive tent, a pair of $18 socks, or even $2 zipper pulls. In Dayton, Ohio, go to General Surplus, don’t have the address. — Matt Blickensderfer * A Grouchy German is a Sour Kraut! *

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve driven all over the country and seen some mighty fine independent outdoor shops. Long-time owner-operated, hardwood floors, hand-picked stock, great stuff, great stories, multi-generation shops. Let’s wake up folks. These shops are going the way of the dodo. The chains and BAD shops are taking over. Maybe one way we can STOP this sad trend is to make a list of our favorite shops nationwide. Then stop by when we’re in the area. Maybe go on drives to see these treasures! One selfish reason of mine to do this is that I haven’t taken a big road trip lately and I’d like to go revisit some of those great ole shops. OK, I forgot where some of them were. Of course, you know that outdoor sport shops aren’t the only disappearing dodos in civilized retail. Quality independent restaurants, hardware stores and bookshops are in the same boat. Maybe there’s a way we can rescue them all at once? Putting the word out about where there are can’t be a bad way to start. — Jeff Potter   !.com   delete ‘DELETETHIS!’ to reply ***"Out Your Backdoor": Friendly Magazine of DIY Adventure and Culture       http://www.glpbooks.com/oyb … with a full line of books, bookstore

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I’m investigating a position in Baker, Oregon and have been told by the recruiter that the flyfishing is "the best in the country".  I don’t know if anyone in Last Chance, ID or Steamboat, OR or Flaming Gorge, UT would disagree but I’d love to hear from someone who has fished in the creeks, rivers and lakes around Baker.  You can e-mail me at Ken

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Ken, All fishing in Oregon is highly over rated.  The population has grown so fast that most streams and lakes are depleted except for the odd truckload of planters dumped  in every now and then to satisfy the bloodlust of recently arrived new Oregonians.  Recruiters are frequently reduced to lying in order to seduce those in search of a lifestiyle and environment that disappeared long ago.  The real action is in Colorado where guys like Moe Skeeter and Walleye Miller have taken steps to insure that fish are plentiful and anglers are few. I’m investigating a position in Baker, Oregon and have been told by the recruiter that the flyfishing is "the best in the country".  I don’t know if anyone in Last Chance, ID or Steamboat, OR or Flaming Gorge, UT would disagree but I’d love to hear from someone who has fished in the creeks, rivers and lakes around Baker.  You can e-mail me at Ken

– Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                          Tomn McGuane

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Anyone have an idea of the value of a 1977 Seamaster Tarpon Model flyreel. Anti-reverse, left ahnd retrieve.Thanks. Jack.

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Anyone have an idea of the value of a 1977 Seamaster Tarpon Model flyreel. Anti-reverse, left ahnd retrieve.Thanks. Jack.

Maybe $500 to $1000? I am not really sure,but they are hard to get. If you advertise it in the Miami Harold right now, it’s peak tarpon season, you might get more? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I’m not sure of the model and year of the reel you have, but I not seen a Seamaster under $1,100 in a long time down here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have an idea of the value of a 1977 Seamaster Tarpon Model flyreel. Anti-reverse, left ahnd retrieve.Thanks. Jack. Maybe $500 to $1000? I am not really sure,but they are hard to get. If you advertise it in the Miami Harold right now, it’s peak tarpon season, you might get more? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Bill- Is this an "S" handle reel or the one with the flat plate with the single knob mounted directly to it? If it is the latter and in v/g to exc condition, you might see upwards of $1500 for it. In lesser condition, considerably less. If it is an "S" handle, they are highly collectible in good condition and could bring $1500 to $2000. Good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have an idea of the value of a 1977 Seamaster Tarpon Model flyreel. Anti-reverse, left ahnd retrieve.Thanks. Jack. Maybe $500 to $1000? I am not really sure,but they are hard to get. If you advertise it in the Miami Harold right now, it’s peak tarpon season, you might get more? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Bill — Try contacting Bob Berger, owner of Bonefish Bob’s, a flyfishing store in Islamorada, FL. Bonefish Bob specializes in used saltwater flyfishing equipment and is an expert in Seamaster reels. Sorry, I don’t have his phone number handy, but I’m sure you can get it from information. BobE. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bill- Is this an "S" handle reel or the one with the flat plate with the single knob mounted directly to it? If it is the latter and in v/g to exc condition, you might see upwards of $1500 for it. In lesser condition, considerably less. If it is an "S" handle, they are highly collectible in good condition and could bring $1500 to $2000. Good luck. Anyone have an idea of the value of a 1977 Seamaster Tarpon Model flyreel. Anti-reverse, left ahnd retrieve.Thanks. Jack. Maybe $500 to $1000? I am not really sure,but they are hard to get. If you advertise it in the Miami Harold right now, it’s peak tarpon season, you might get more? Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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From an avid fly-fisher living in the worst fly-fishing area in the world: HELP! Living in eastern Kansas, (having come from western Montana), the only trout I have heard about in this area are lake trout in Lake Shawnee near Topeka, KS. My question is:  Is there a way to fly-fish for lake Trout?  Won’t they more  than likely be bottom feeding?  How do I get down to them without having to (gag) bring out my spinning reel?  Am I just out of luck?                         BK Devlin

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You’re not going to like this but you can only do well on lakers when the water temps near optimum up top.  Unless you use uranium core sinking lines.  It’s switch to carp.  They hit Italian dry flies — cubes of bread — nicely and fight like freshwater bonefish.   It’s only a couple of days to Idaho. — ** Louis Bignami, Publisher         http://www.finefishing.com Fine Fishing Internet Magazine                "largest fishing mag on the Net" **

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: — : Netters..I am going home to Harrisburg Pa this coming  (2/3&2/4) weekend and I would like to try some fishing in the area.  I was thinking of the Yellow Breaches.  Could anyone recommend what I should use on this stream?  I figure that if the FF isn’t any good for me I would head on down to Gettysburg and tour the battlefield.  So, if anyone could recommend streams in between New Cumberland and Gettysburg..I would sure appreciate it!!..BTW.. Any good fly shops in the area that would be patient with a new bie??..Thanks..Dan : — :   : Dan Roberts : BRISTOL-MYERS SQUIBB PHARM. RES. CENTER      "Nature is last at Bats" : PRINCETON, NEW JERSEY U.S.A. PLANET EARTH, MILKY-WAY GALAXY

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Netters..I am going home to Harrisburg Pa this coming  (2/3&2/4) weekend and I would like to try some fishing in the area.  I was thinking of the Yellow Breaches.  Could anyone recommend what I should use on this stream?  I figure that if the FF isn’t any good for me I would head on down to Gettysburg and tour the battlefield.  So, if anyone could recommend streams in between New Cumberland and Gettysburg..I would sure appreciate it!!..BTW.. Any good fly shops in the area that would be patient with a newbie??..Thanks..Dan —

Well, I don’t have any information, per se, but I do know a great book.   I think it is by Charles Meck, or Ed Shenk, but it is called Penn. Trout Streams and Their Hatches (or Something like that).  I read it, and it is great!  I plan to buy it because, as you, I intend to do some fly fishing in Penn.  Good luck. -Paul P.S.  Try Bob Clouser’s Shop.  I think it is near Harrisburg and E-town. *                       *    "To catch a river unguarded is less a        * * Paul "Cousin" Graham   *    matter of where to look than of when, and   * *                          *  I have a secret time."-Ted Leeson           *

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Dan,   I just booked a cabin and a guide for a float down the Delaware at West Branch.  My favorite fly shop near you is Brandywine Outfitters in Exton, PA. Give ‘em a try.  They are very helpful to newbies and provide guide services near where you are going to be…. Mad Dog P.S. my favorite fly shop name is the "Evening Rise" in Intercourse, PA…. —

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– Netters..I am going home to Harrisburg Pa this coming  (2/3&2/4) weekend and I would like to try some fishing in the area.  I was thinking of the Yellow Breaches.  Could anyone recommend what I should use on this stream?  I figure that if the FF isn’t any good for me I would head on down to Gettysburg and tour the battlefield.  So, if anyone could recommend streams in between New Cumberland and Gettysburg..I would sure appreciate it!!..BTW.. Any good fly shops in the area that would be patient with a newbie??..Thanks..Dan — Dan Roberts BRISTOL-MYERS SQUIBB PHARM. RES. CENTER      "Nature is last at Bats" PRINCETON, NEW JERSEY U.S.A. PLANET EARTH, MILKY-WAY GALAXY

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I might be heading out to Hong Kong – it’s a business trip, but there’s ALWAYS time for fly-fishing. Anyone got any ideas of what the fishing is like out there ? Thanks in advance, Doug

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Sorry Doug, I lived there for 10 years and the only fishing I did was in Australia. Some people dangle bits of meat in the harbour and get the occasional bite from something equally disgusting. The fishing is offshore and long gone Simon Hallett

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I wouldn’t bother, Doug.  I’m a keen fisher myself but I quickly gave up trying during my years out there. Christian Zoega Jessen |   Zoega Virksomhedsr

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Introducing a new catalog featuring custom flyfishing tackle. For a free catalog, send your name and address to : or by U.S. Mail to:      Jordon Creek Outfitters      PO Box 302      Orefield, Pennsylvania 18069 Thanks for the interest.

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Sure, please send me a copy of your catalog: John Wernet 1022 Timber Creek Drive Grand Ledge, MI  48837

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writes: For a free catalog, send your name and address to :

Sure, please send me a copy of your catalog: John Wernet 1022 Timber Creek Drive Grand Ledge, MI  48837

Please, not this again. If you take the trouble to cite "For a free catalog, send your the  trouble to READ it? It says: (I’ll paraphrase and capitalize, for the literacy impaired)  SEND ME EMAIL.DON’T POST YOUR REQUEST TOTHE NEWSGROUP.  REALLY. You quoted it yourself, right? Please excuse the rant, but this one deserved a public flogging. Chris Knight Syracuse NY

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Please send a free flyfishing catalog to: Don Dodson # 8 Didrickson Lane Amarillo, TX  79124 Thank you

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Please send a free flyfishing catalog to: Don Dodson # 8 Didrickson Lane Amarillo, TX  79124 Thank you

I propose that we each e-mail a 10Meg core dump to the next person who posts a request like this to the group.   Please read the original post, it asks you to e-mail to Sean Brennan (.std disclaimers)

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Please send a catalog. Stephen Feinberg 131 High St. Hastings NY 10706         thx

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