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"John Kowalski" and others have asked me for the Steelhead Clouser Fly Pattern I used to fish on this trip.  I sent him a slightly different pattern than I actually used.  Here is the pattern as used, your mileage may vary: Steelhead Clouser Flat Wing Tube Fly. Tube: 1/2 of a plastic hollow Q-tip with the swabs removed (One end will be rough to hold the swab — use this end for the hook keeper/holder) Hook Holder: Light Blue small hobby gas engine fuel line (like for RC airplanes)- I used permanent markers to cover the light blue to match the body Thread: Black Body: Ultra-Chenille purple, pink or chartreuse wrapped with silver wire Eyes: Painted Dumbbell Eyes (Red) Wing: Black Bucktail (or Black Fishhair/Ultrahair) wrap this back a 1/2" from the dumbbell eyes for a flatter wing appearance Bottom Wing: White Bucktail (or White Fishhair/Ultrahair) mixed with a few Purple Flashabou or Krystal Flash or your favorite matching body color Hook: Your favorite steelhead hook including small shank hooks and circle hooks Chris "Padishar Creel" Fanning

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I just got home and wanted to share my fishing experiences.  I have been Steelhead fishing the last two days at a river I cannot reveal, since a friend was my guide and asked me not to share the location, but he did not say I couldn’t share the experience… I hooked 30+ Steelhead and landed 22 over the past two days.  I have NEVER had such success in my entire life!  I caught every single fish on the Steelhead Clouser Tube Fly in black, white and purple…However, I admit any good pattern would have seemed to worked…my buddy used the Purple Peril and a couple of his own designs, although I out fished him 2 to 1 (advantage to the Spey Rod — I was able to cover considerably more water than he could with is 8wt single-hander)…The recent rains in the Pacific NW is moving fish and it looks like a banner year… Padishar Creel…Only hit myself in the head with a fly 4 times in the last 2 days…a record…:)

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Wow, that sounds great.  Let me know if you need a drift boat trip for the exchange of that spot. Hillsboro, OR

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got home and wanted to share my fishing experiences.  I have been Steelhead fishing the last two days at a river I cannot reveal, since a friend was my guide and asked me not to share the location, but he did not say I couldn’t share the experience… I hooked 30+ Steelhead and landed 22 over the past two days.  I have NEVER had such success in my entire life!  I caught every single fish on the Steelhead Clouser Tube Fly in black, white and purple…However, I admit any good pattern would have seemed to worked…my buddy used the Purple Peril and a couple of his own designs, although I out fished him 2 to 1 (advantage to the Spey Rod — I was able to cover considerably more water than he could with is 8wt single-hander)…The recent rains in the Pacific NW is moving fish and it looks like a banner year… Padishar Creel…Only hit myself in the head with a fly 4 times in the last 2 days…a record…:)

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An outstanding trip Chris. I’d sure like to find some of that action.  Had one day like that last year, you can never forget it. Chas

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"Randy Kane" attempted to tempt me with a nice drift boat trip for the secret to the spot. Randy, I would love to accept your generous and tempting offer and I always enjoy fishin’ with new fly fisherman, however, even though my ethics can be strained, I am hopeful to be invited again on combination trip of upland game bird hunting and fly fishing with the friend who just made my trip of a lifetime. Sorry, Padishar Creel

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I just got home and wanted to share my fishing experiences.  I have been Steelhead fishing the last two days at a river I cannot reveal, since a friend was my guide and asked me not to share the location, but he did not say I couldn’t share the experience… I hooked 30+ Steelhead and landed 22 over the past two days.  I have NEVER had such success in my entire life!  I caught every single fish on the Steelhead Clouser Tube Fly in black, white and purple…However, I admit any good pattern would have seemed to worked…my buddy used the Purple Peril and a couple of his own designs, although I out fished him 2 to 1 (advantage to the Spey Rod — I was able to cover considerably more water than he could with is 8wt single-hander)…The recent rains in the Pacific NW is moving fish and it looks like a banner year… Padishar Creel…Only hit myself in the head with a fly 4 times in the last 2 days…a record…:)

Only four times – try harder, OK? and about the trip – Spey rods rule!!! hope you’re not getting whacked by the crappy weather out your way Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Peter, Could you share the pattern for your Clouser Tube Fly pattern with me?  I tried to e=mail yo through the link on the web page you list and it came

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just got home and wanted to share my fishing experiences.  I have been Steelhead fishing the last two days at a river I cannot reveal, since a friend was my guide and asked me not to share the location, but he did not say I couldn’t share the experience… I hooked 30+ Steelhead and landed 22 over the past two days.  I have NEVER had such success in my entire life!  I caught every single fish on the Steelhead Clouser Tube Fly in black, white and purple…However, I admit any good pattern would have seemed to worked…my buddy used the Purple Peril and a couple of his own designs, although I out fished him 2 to 1 (advantage to the Spey Rod — I was able to cover considerably more water than he could with is 8wt single-hander)…The recent rains in the Pacific NW is moving fish and it looks like a banner year… Padishar Creel…Only hit myself in the head with a fly 4 times in the last 2 days…a record…:) Only four times – try harder, OK? and about the trip – Spey rods rule!!! hope you’re not getting whacked by the crappy weather out your way Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

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Peter, Could you share the pattern for your Clouser Tube Fly pattern with me?  I tried to e=mail yo through the link on the web page you list and it came

That pattern belongs to Chris, perhaps he can put it up for you. Tested the mail function on my page – seems to be OK. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I’m sorry but I don’t know Chris.  Do you have his email? thanks

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peter, Could you share the pattern for your Clouser Tube Fly pattern with me?  I tried to e=mail yo through the link on the web page you list and it came That pattern belongs to Chris, perhaps he can put it up for you. Tested the mail function on my page – seems to be OK. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

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I’m sorry but I don’t know Chris.  Do you have his email? thanks

You must have missed the lead post in this thread as Chris got it started – it was his trip and his fly.  I picked his email off of that HTH Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Yes, I found it immediately after the last post. Thanks, JFK

I’m sorry but I don’t know Chris.  Do you have his email? thanks You must have missed the lead post in this thread as Chris got it started – it was his trip and his fly.  I picked his email off of that HTH Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

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Michael writes: This drag would surely have an equivalent effect upon a fly fished with a piece of split shot 2 feet up the tippet? Is this drag the same one you are talking about?

But it is effected less by it.  Like I’ve said, I used to use weighted flies to get my intended lure to the bottom (simply because using split shot or any weight on the leader was illegal in Maine).  However, using the same lure and the same set up, but using a split shot instead of the weighted nymph, the same effect is accomplished (getting the lure down in the water column), but the drag is considerably less.  With this method, I have observed an unweighted lure tumbling on the bottom not unlike the natural.  This is the ideal that I strive for in every cast.  Do I get it perfect each time?  No.  Nor do I always get a nice drag-free drift with a dry.  But I catch more fish with the split shot method than I do with the weighted nymph (Czech) method.  BTW, I seldom use more than one fly.  If you have the *right* fly, it isn’t necessary.  <g Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Hiya Dave,  please refer back to my previous post and tell me if I understand your split shot method.  Forgive me if I am wrong,  but it would appear to me at least that you didn’t read all my post.  I think I have the jist of the method you speak of,  but would appreciate it if you’d confirm either way.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Michael writes: This drag would surely have an equivalent effect upon a fly fished with a piece of split shot 2 feet up the tippet? Is this drag the same one you are talking about? But it is effected less by it.  Like I’ve said, I used to use weighted flies to get my intended lure to the bottom (simply because using split shot or any weight on the leader was illegal in Maine).  However, using the same lure and the same set up, but using a split shot instead of the weighted nymph, the same effect is accomplished (getting the lure down in the water column), but the drag is considerably less.  With this method, I have observed an unweighted lure tumbling on the bottom not unlike the natural.  This is the ideal that I strive for in every cast.  Do I get it perfect each time?  No.  Nor do I always get a nice drag-free drift with a dry.  But I catch more fish with the split shot method than I do with the weighted nymph (Czech) method.  BTW, I seldom use more than one fly.  If you have the *right* fly, it isn’t necessary. <g Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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Snip Michael, my experience with super weighted flies is to use them to get the *real* lure down.  The only problem is, they have a lot of drag.  Nymph fishing is just like surface fishing in this regard — you do not want drag.  My way is to use split shot (weight according to how deep/fast moving the water is) about 2 feet above an unweighted nymph.  While I have taken lots of fish with beadhead nymphs, using the split shot is better than using a super weighted fly.  JMO

I assume that the drag that you speak of is the actual dressing of the fly? Obviously the split shot, round and smooth, has little to impart upon the surrounding water.  The copper PT nymphs that I use also are quite "streamlined", and don’t seem to have much drag, or resistance to the water. That is why I like them a lot,  as you can quite effectively get them to the right depth and location even in the tricky waters. However, the drag that you speak of,  you also relate to the "dry fly drag". To me, dry fly drag is the movement of the fly over the surface of the water, brought about by the line "bellying", as cross currents pull on the line.  It is possible to get bad drag when casting directly upstream, particularly in pool tails where the outflow rapids pull (push) on the line, and cause the fly to skate over the water’s surface.  Of course,  this "drag" will be applied to a sunken fly too,   it causes the nymph to travel quite quickly through the water.  This drag would surely have an equivalent effect upon a fly fished with a piece of split shot 2 feet up the tippet? Is this drag the same one you are talking about? I personally have never used split shot,  neither have I used indicators, nor even the dry fly dropper that is said to be a great indicator.  (Whilst keen sight persists, I shall always prefer the simplicity of the greased leader and the single chosen fly.)  The stream that I favour to fish is very overgrown,  and is difficult to fish in a lot of places even with a 7 footer (I just got a 6 footer and really counting the days to next April) and one fly on a 9 ft leader to 2lb tippet.  Although I’ve never tried the split shot,  I will still believe that for me at least, the single Sawyer copper PT nymph & greased leader is the best option that I know of.  That being said,  I will always like to check out new techniques,  and hence my interest on this matter. I’m wondering though if there is something about the split shot that has a good effect upon the fly.  I imagine that the split shot sinks lower than the fly,  creating a V profile in the leader.  Pulling on the fly line will not immdiately make the fly rise,  as the flyline is connected first to the weight of the split shot.  The split shot is trying to pull the fly down as well as the leader and flyline.  That means that there is not a straight line between flyline and fly,  there is a positive bend,  exactly at the spot that the split shot occupies.  Pulling on the fly line will not be directly proportional with imparted fly movement,  not until the bend has been pulled out. Obviously,  as the drag is getting very pronounced,  the V profile will be reduced to eventually a flat line, and the split shot and the fly will be racing along at equal speeds and directions through the water as the dragging flyline rips it along.  At this point,  mends in the line will be required to reduce the flyline pull,  and allow the V profile to form once more.  If the angler is diligent with mending duty,  then the effect of drag can be kept at bay from the fly at least,  the split shot acting as a delayer to the drag. Mmm,  in fact I think I can imagine exactly what you are referring to about the split shot being a drag moderator:  am I right?

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Michael, yours is a very good description of how I’ve always assumed that a split shot (or a heavily weighted fly) mitigates the drag on an unweighted fly below it.  I completely gave up on split shot some time ago in favor of a bead head or other weighted fly to get another, usually much smaller, fly down.  I started doing this when I began fishing some rivers here in Oregon that allow multiple-fly rigs but do not allow "any added weight" applied to the leader or line.  (Folks quickly learned how to get around this rule!).  The bonus is that although most fish take the fly on the point, sometimes one (usually larger than the norm) will take the anchor, which never happens, of course, with split shot.  The draw-back is that it’s harder and more time consuming to adjust the position of the anchor fly along the length of the leader.  One option is to use a fly with a very big eye and attached it with a sort of loop-to-loop connection to the fly, as one does with the new yarn indicators that have a little plastics loop on them. JR – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – beginning snipped I’m wondering though if there is something about the split shot that has a good effect upon the fly.  I imagine that the split shot sinks lower than the fly,  creating a V profile in the leader.  Pulling on the fly line will not immdiately make the fly rise,  as the flyline is connected first to the weight of the split shot.  The split shot is trying to pull the fly down as well as the leader and flyline.  That means that there is not a straight line between flyline and fly,  there is a positive bend,  exactly at the spot that the split shot occupies.  Pulling on the fly line will not be directly proportional with imparted fly movement,  not until the bend has been pulled out. Obviously,  as the drag is getting very pronounced,  the V profile will be reduced to eventually a flat line, and the split shot and the fly will be racing along at equal speeds and directions through the water as the dragging flyline rips it along.  At this point,  mends in the line will be required to reduce the flyline pull,  and allow the V profile to form once more.  If the angler is diligent with mending duty,  then the effect of drag can be kept at bay from the fly at least,  the split shot acting as a delayer to the drag. Mmm,  in fact I think I can imagine exactly what you are referring to about the split shot being a drag moderator:  am I right?

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I’ve only ever read about the upstream Czech nymphing technique.  I have of course seen pictures of the weighty flies  (tungsten and all).  I frequently use copper & 5 pheasant-tail fibre nymphs (Sawyer),  I think that these copper nymphs (or singular to be more accurate,  as I only use one fly at a time)  sink quite quickly upstream on my small Yorks. stream.    Apart from appearance,  is there much difference between these flies:  copper & low surface area nymph Vs the tungsten but relatively fluffy Czech nymph? [snip] Is there any real bonus  with 3 or even 2 on a stream?  Surely they must be a burden at times; one accurate fly of the right selection and method employed, applied  to the point of attention is perhaps all that is required?

The Czech nymphs that I were given seem to be less fluffy than American Nymphs, but to answer your question, the damn things go down faster than a Times Square whore. As to the relative merits of copper vs tungsten, I think tungsten being denser helps thing sink quicker but quicker is not always better. Presentation and mending to reduce drag count for more in my little book. As to bonus of 3 flies vs 2 or one, that’s just the method. some folks have problems with it, I know I did at first but with practice things seem to work OK most of the time but I’ve been known to get a wind knot while tying on a new fly. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Michael writes: I’ve only ever read about the upstream Czech nymphing technique.  I have of course seen pictures of the weighty flies  (tungsten and all).  I frequently use copper & 5 pheasant-tail fibre nymphs  (Sawyer),  I think that these copper nymphs (or singular to be more accurate,  as I only use one fly at a time)  sink quite quickly  upstream on my small Yorks. stream.    Apart from appearance,  is there much difference between these flies:  copper & low surface area nymph Vs the tungsten but relatively fluffy Czech nymph? The metal used in the PT nymph is significantly lower in density than the tungsten CN.  In fact I seem to remember something about tungsten being much denser than lead.  However,  the PT nymph is of much lesser surface area (guaged by my eye,  i.e. hunch mode on) than the CN,  woolly body and all. The surface area would impart drag on the sinking fly,  and slow its decent if increased.  Which sinks the quicker?  Is there anything to be gained from copper PT  to CN? Is 3 better than 1?  I use the one fly on my stream,  (though boat fishing on Scottish lochs use 3 or even  4 at times) primarily because that it is my focus on the river.  On the stream I am selecting exact spots,  and only 1 fly can fill this spot.  On the loch/lake things are not quite so exact (particularly if you are sharing the boat with a pair (inevitable trio) of boozers). Is there any real bonus  with 3 or even 2 on a stream?  Surely they must be a burden at times; one accurate fly of the right selection and method employed, applied  to the point of attention is perhaps all that is required? Regards, Michael.

Michael, my experience with super weighted flies is to use them to get the *real* lure down.  The only problem is, they have a lot of drag.  Nymph fishing is just like surface fishing in this regard — you do not want drag.  My way is to use split shot (weight according to how deep/fast moving the water is) about 2 feet above an unweighted nymph.  While I have taken lots of fish with beadhead nymphs, using the split shot is better than using a super weighted fly.  JMO Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller

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I’ve only ever read about the upstream Czech nymphing technique.  I have of course seen pictures of the weighty flies  (tungsten and all).  I frequently use copper & 5 pheasant-tail fibre nymphs  (Sawyer),  I think that these copper nymphs (or singular to be more accurate,  as I only use one fly at a time)  sink quite quickly  upstream on my small Yorks. stream.    Apart from appearance,  is there much difference between these flies:  copper & low surface area nymph Vs the tungsten but relatively fluffy Czech nymph? The metal used in the PT nymph is significantly lower in density than the tungsten CN.  In fact I seem to remember something about tungsten being much denser than lead.  However,  the PT nymph is of much lesser surface area (guaged by my eye,  i.e. hunch mode on) than the CN,  woolly body and all. The surface area would impart drag on the sinking fly,  and slow its decent if increased.  Which sinks the quicker?  Is there anything to be gained from copper PT  to CN? Is 3 better than 1?  I use the one fly on my stream,  (though boat fishing on Scottish lochs use 3 or even  4 at times) primarily because that it is my focus on the river.  On the stream I am selecting exact spots,  and only 1 fly can fill this spot.  On the loch/lake things are not quite so exact (particularly if you are sharing the boat with a pair (inevitable trio) of boozers). Is there any real bonus  with 3 or even 2 on a stream?  Surely they must be a burden at times; one accurate fly of the right selection and method employed, applied  to the point of attention is perhaps all that is required? Regards, Michael.

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Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line?

I have one of these.  I use it on a six weight.  Casts like hell -hinging, etc…  It will get a streamer or nymph down a little, though.  Effective to about six or eight feet.  In general, I would not suggest it.  You can do as well with a longer leader and a couple of split shot with a floating line. J

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Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line?

Frank, I have one of these and they work ok in a pinch if you hit one or two deep sections and then go back to more moderate depths but if you are going to be fishing deep for extended periods of time my advice would be to buy a sink tip.  I do carry the Orvis sink tip for emergency use but they are a pain to cast and don’t get you down as well as a real sink tip fly line would in my experience. Good Fishing, C. Segina

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Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line?

I haven’t seen Orvis’ up close but Cortland’s tend to be too heavy for my 4 wt.  I have a beat up old full sinking 9 wt line and the thin running portion of it is perfect for making mini sink tips.  The only drawback is that this requires a loop to loop connection.  I prefer nail-knotting a piece of thick leader material and then tying a perfection loop at the end since it lands on the water more softly than a fly-line looped end. Mu

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Frank, Splurge and go for the full line in a medium density.  Use it on a longer rod with a short (3 to 4 ft) leader.  The rod length is for mending and good control.  Don’t believe those who say any old rod and a long leader.  You need to mend and the fly needs to sink.  The longer the distance between the fly and the weight of the tip section, the higher the fly will ride.  You can use leader length to fine tune your drift depth. I made those mini sink tips from lead core years ago.  They’ll sink your fly, but you won’t like the casting unless you’re using 8 wt line+.  They cast like slinky weights on running line — chuck and duck. Mike If you buy a sink tip that has too much tip for your needs, you can just cut it down and reattach your leader butt.  

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Frank: I’ve used the Orvis lead head sections – I don’t think they offer them any more – that must be similar (though shorter) than the 5 ft sink -tip head that you are looking at. These things came in 12 inch and 24 inch sections, and could be looped in at the end of the regular fly line, and the leader looped on the other end.  I think they are quite useful in certain circumstances.  I keep them in my vest, and if I need to go deeper in a spot they work very well – but they are not a substitute for a true sink tip line, say for lake fishing. Mark Faulkner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line? Frank

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Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line? Frank

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I have tried these and they will sink your line well but, having a sudden transition to denser line,they are far more difficult to cast than a true sink tip line (but also cheaper). If you have the money for a line and spool, go for the full line. The most effective place for your weight lies in the fly though. Go with a longer leader and a weighted fly for the best effect. Orvis has a "sink tip system’ that includes 5 foot sink-tip sections that will convert a floating line to a sink-tip one. Has anyone tried this? Does it work ok or would I be better off buying an actual sink-tip line? Frank

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Thanks to all of you who responded.  I sold the books to the first e-mail response I received. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have sold my tools and materials, now I am offering my books and magazines.  $35.00 + shipping takes all.

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I’ve built a kayak cart for my Caspia and question that $30 amount.  The wheels alone for mine cost $12 each.  Sure, I could have paid less but I wanted wheels at least 8" to make it easy to roll.    

Mine has 10" wheels that were $7.96 apiece. I’ve posted a picture and description on my Web pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~iadams/ Follow the kayaking link. Ira  Adams

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I’ve built a kayak cart for my Caspia and question that $30 amount.  The wheels alone for mine cost $12 each.  Sure, I could have paid less but I wanted wheels at least 8" to make it easy to roll.     Mine has 10" wheels that were $7.96 apiece. I’ve posted a picture and description on my Web pages: http://home.earthlink.net/~iadams/ Follow the kayaking link.

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I went down that road too just recently. If you plan on using your Kayak solo at any time, consider that a tandem is difficult for one person to use. I was looking at the Pamlico and the Jocassee until this point was made and I relalized that my fishing would be affected. Also there is such a thing as too much togetherness. You know, back seat drivers, speed demons verses the coasters, sightseers verses the goal seekers. It cost a lot more but we now have his and hers kayaks. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking to buy a kayak that will be used on lakes and possibly rivers (calm).  I want a tandem kayak and have looked at Perceptions Keowee 2 and Jocassee.  The salesman also mentioned Wilderness Systems Pamlico and Pamlico Excel although he didn’t have any in stock at the time.  I would appreciated any info folks in the group may be able to give me concerning these kayaks.  Is there much maintenance on these rotomolded kayaks?   It has been over 20 years since I went white water rating with a tour group and as I would like to get back into shape and the wife likes water (calm) I figured a tandem kayak would be perfect.  Again thanks for any info you can give a beginner.  

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I went down that road too just recently. If you plan on using your Kayak solo at any time, consider that a tandem is difficult for one person to use. I was looking at the Pamlico and the Jocassee until this point was made and I relalized that my fishing would be affected.

Actually, the Jocassee paddles very nicely as a single (unless you’re silly enough to try paddling it alone without moving the front seat back to the singles position). The only disadvantage to using the Jocassee for flatwater fishing would be that it’s heavy and thus can be awkward to load/unload by oneself. It will require a dolly to move by yourself unless you’re a weightlifter. A dolly can be two wheels & an axle, from the local Wal-Mart – $30, tops. If I’m correct in thinking that the Pamlico is a Jocassee knock-off, then it would probably work just as well. The Keowee 2 would be good also, with the advantages of being lighter, shorter, and easier to handle, and the disadvantages of being slower to paddle and having not quite as much room for gear or friends. Ira  Adams

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I went down that road too just recently. If you plan on using your Kayak solo at any time, consider that a tandem is difficult for one person to use. I was looking at the Pamlico and the Jocassee until this point was made and I relalized that my fishing would be affected.

There is a Pamlico Sport.  It’s a Pamlico equipped with a Motorguide 20 ft/lb. electric trolling motor which can be lowered and raised while sitting in the cockpit and steered with your feet.   Actually, the Jocassee paddles very nicely as a single (unless you’re silly enough to try paddling it alone without moving the front seat back to the singles position). The only disadvantage to using the Jocassee for flatwater fishing would be that it’s heavy and thus can be awkward to load/unload by oneself. It will require a dolly to move by yourself unless you’re a weightlifter. A dolly can be two wheels & an axle, from the local Wal-Mart – $30, tops.

I’ve built a kayak cart for my Caspia and question that $30 amount.  The wheels alone for mine cost $12 each.  Sure, I could have paid less but I wanted wheels at least 8" to make it easy to roll.     BTW, I’ve done a bit of flyfishing from my Caspia since I’ve owned it.  I had a carp on a few weeks ago that was easily over 10 pounds and pulled me all over the river.  After fighting it for almost a half an hour it finally broke me off. John Fereira Stop Unsolicited Commercial Email – Join CAUCE (http://www.cauce.org) Support HR 1748, the anti-spam bill.

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I am looking to buy a kayak that will be used on lakes and possibly rivers (calm).  I want a tandem kayak and have looked at Perceptions Keowee 2 and Jocassee.  The salesman also mentioned Wilderness Systems Pamlico and Pamlico Excel although he didn’t have any in stock at the time.  I would appreciated any info folks in the group may be able to give me concerning these kayaks.  Is there much maintenance on these rotomolded kayaks?   It has been over 20 years since I went white water rating with a tour group and as I would like to get back into shape and the wife likes water (calm) I figured a tandem kayak would be perfect.  Again thanks for any info you can give a beginner.  

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" As far as Perceptions kayaks, they take a beating and keep on competing. They wear like steel and even with thousands of scratches, still handle like a dream. I have used their kayaks for over ten years in all kinds of conditions. Good Luck on your choice.                                                         DJMK – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am looking to buy a kayak that will be used on lakes and possibly rivers (calm).  I want a tandem kayak and have looked at Perceptions Keowee 2 and Jocassee.  The salesman also mentioned Wilderness Systems Pamlico and Pamlico Excel although he didn’t have any in stock at the time.  I would appreciated any info folks in the group may be able to give me concerning these kayaks.  Is there much maintenance on these rotomolded kayaks?   It has been over 20 years since I went white water rating with a tour group and as I would like to get back into shape and the wife likes water (calm) I figured a tandem kayak would be perfect.  Again thanks for any info you can give a beginner.  

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I am looking to buy a kayak that will be used on lakes and possibly rivers (calm).  I want a tandem kayak and have looked at Perceptions Keowee 2 and Jocassee.  The salesman also mentioned Wilderness Systems Pamlico and Pamlico Excel although he didn’t have any in stock at the time.  I would appreciated any info folks in the group may be able to give me concerning these kayaks.  Is there much maintenance on these rotomolded kayaks?  

I’m far from expert, but after years of mooching off my friend’s canoe I finally sprang for my own boat(s). I just purchased a Pamlico and so far have had it out once on a lake for it’s shakedown cruise. I’m pleased with it so far, it was easily handled as a single and works as a double as long as you don’t plan on packing anything. The load is 325 lbs. My wife and I don’t leave a lot to spare. It’s very nice for an adult and child. However tandem paddling with two double bladed kayak paddles is an art that we’ve not yet mastered. It was suggested and I’m tending to agree that a forward kayak paddle for power and a rear canoe paddle for rudder is an easier way to go. From what I can tell, this load is about average for the doubles; although the Pamlico Excel is about 2 ft longer and should support more weight. If you want substantially bigger loads you might consider a plain canoe. I did say boat(s) plural. We also picked up a Wilderness Systems Rascal. This is a one man kayak (200 lb load). Its design is such that it is not easily rolled. My wife seemed to really enjoy it. I even put my 9-year old in it. I got them at "Appomatox River Company" in Farmville Va. They’re in the middle of nowhere but they were extremely nice and had the biggest selection and best prices I could find. Check them out at : http://www.moonstar.com/~arc/ PGP key available from "http://www.mnsinc.com/moore"                      Dave Moore

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The Madison River is open from Hebgen to Quake Lakem, year around.   It’s closed from Quake to Macatee till the 3rd Saturday in May.  It’s open from Macatee to Ennis Bridge, year around, and it is closed from Ennis Bridge to Ennis Lake from December 1 through the 3rd Saturday in May. Dave Kumlien, Montana Troutfitters,Bozeman html

Hi Dave, Thanks for the information, it’s right on. I enjoy your posts, keep them up. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Does anyone know if the special closure on the Madison between Lyons and Pallisades is in effect for 1996?

From what I have heard it is open. Take Care,

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   Here’s the deal on the upper Madison.  Quake to Lyons will open on the 3rd Saturday in May and will close at the end of November.  Lyons to Squaw creek is open the same way.  Squaw to Windy Point is permanently closed as a study/control section.  Windy Point to Macatee is closed right now, but it will reopen on the 3rd Saturday in May.  Macatee to Ennis Bridge is open right now, and will remain open year around.  Ennis Bridge to the Ennis Lake is closed(critical goose nesting habitat by the lake), and it will reopen the 3rd Saturday in May.  If you can keep track of all of that, you pass the bar exam! http://www.gomontana.com/Business/Trout/trout.html

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Does anyone know if the special closure on the Madison between Lyons and Pallisades is in effect for 1996?

as far as I know the river is currently closed from quake lake to ennis until the 3rd saturday in may….

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I think its open in the upper stretch because my nephew was fishing around the Raynolds Pass bridge during spring break.

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I think its open in the upper stretch because my nephew was fishing around the Raynolds Pass bridge during spring break.

Probably illegally…as I understand it the rive ris closed from Quake Lake to below Ennis until sometime in May..

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The Madison River is open from Hebgen to Quake Lakem, year around.   It’s closed from Quake to Macatee till the 3rd Saturday in May.  It’s open from Macatee to Ennis Bridge, year around, and it is closed from Ennis Bridge to Ennis Lake from December 1 through the 3rd Saturday in May. Dave Kumlien, Montana Troutfitters,Bozeman html

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Does anyone know if the special closure on the Madison between Lyons and Pallisades is in effect for 1996?

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Does anyone know if the special closure on the Madison between Lyons and Pallisades is in effect for 1996?

Looks like it will be open.  See http://www.cyberport.net/flyfish/cent_reg.html for regs.  A phone call may be in order. — "If the facts do not conform to the theory, they must be disposed of."      Maier’s Law

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   To All;   I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.    Harry

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  To All;  I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.   Harry

Hi Harry, I offer my ideas regarding the 5 things that make a high quality fly from my perspective, a commercial fly tier: 1. Durability – quality materials, strong hook, etc. 2. Proper proportions, tail length, hackle, etc. 3. Attractive to the fly fisher 4. Attractive to the fish 5. Will sell It will be interesting to see what other fly tiers/fisher think. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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   To All;   I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.    Harry

Harry,         Here’s my list of the five characteristics of a good quality fly: Durability – It has to last.  This isn’t art for art’s sake. Ease of tying – The point is to go fishing sometime this century.  I         lose enough flies that I need to tie more than one per day. Bugginess – Oh, that elusive quality.  If it doesn’t "look buggy" it         probably will never get tied on my tippet.  I’ve carried flies         for years that just don’t get a rise out of me. Availability of Ingredients – Part of this is my frugality.  But, part         is my ecological awareness.  If I’m going to have to spend         my tying and fishing time tracking down materials, I’m outta         here. Catches Fish – Course, before I know this, I’ve tracked down the         materials, easily tied the fly, am confident in its durability,         and have tied it on my tippet.  But, hey, this is what we’re         doing this for, isn’t it? Charley

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  To All;  I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.   Harry

Reply Never counted my reasons. 1. Do I enjoy tying the fly? 2. Does it REALLY require all of those materials that I don’t have? Can I sub. and    still have a good looking fly that will work. 3. Do I have confidence in the fly. 4. Do I need another fly like this one. How many of this type do I already carry that    I don’t use now. 5. And back to # 1. If I like to tie the fly thats what matters. I’m here for just      the fun.  CU, Steve Birkes Buckner, Mo.

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  To All;  I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.

I can boil it down to just three things: 1.  It has to catch fish. 2.  It has to catch fish. 3.  It has to catch fish. Larry H.

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I fish mainly in still waters and I fine one other quality to be of importance when tying.I like to call this Pulsability; giving the illusion of a bubbling, pulsating, swimming creature. John Hafner

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Harry, as a former pro tyer I would have to say it’s more a case of WHO makes a good fly. Style and expertise does not come to everyone, even if you have the correct materials for any given pattern.   To All;  I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.   Harry

– dave tait

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I fish mainly in still waters and I fine one other quality to be of importance when tying.I like to call this Pulsability; giving the illusion of a bubbling, pulsating, swimming creature. John Hafner

A good fly should take less time to tie than it does to lose it.    -Ralph —

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  To All;  I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.   Harry

1. proportion 2. balance 3. durability 4. castability 5. silouette these are what i shoot for when tying flies for stripers, etc. shade/color would probably come in 6th for me.                                                 jc

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        Does it catch fish?         That, essentially, is the bottom line.

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        Does it catch fish?         That, essentially, is the bottom line.

Yes, but,…… There are lots of flies out there that catch marlin, peacock bass, sharks, etc.  They catch fish, but are not a good fly for me.  I don’t get to sea too often.  And, when I do, I’m usually looking for salmon! So, now we have to add the delimiter, "Does it catch the fish I’m after?". This is such a complex question! :^) Charley

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         Does it catch fish?         That, essentially, is the bottom line. Yes, but,…… There are lots of flies out there that catch marlin, peacock bass, sharks, etc.  They catch fish, but are not a good fly for me.  I don’t get to sea too often.  And, when I do, I’m usually looking for salmon! So, now we have to add the delimiter, "Does it catch the fish I’m after?". This is such a complex question! :^) Charley

Hi Charley, Good point Charley! My flies always catch the fish I’m after IF i’m telling the story.?! Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)

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Al Beatty said: Hi Charley, Good point Charley! My flies always catch the fish I’m after IF i’m telling the story.?!

Cheers for Al’s honesty.  I will add that if they don’t, I damn quick change the story. Dick Hubbard

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   To All;   I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.    Harry

Harry: 1. Ease of tying: most of us fit fly tying between the responsibilities work, running a home, and the ten o’clock news. Functional patterns are not necessarily a compromise. You can crank out a dozen brown-hackle-peacocks or BWO compara duns in the time it takes to tie half-as-many extended body paradrakes. This is not to say you don’t need extended body paradrakes–just save the more involved patterns for those rare occasions when you have a few hours to spend on the vice. 2. Proportions and technique: Spend time understanding how to size hackle and dimension tails; without such understanding, you can easily turn a humpy into a spider. Study A. K. Best’s "Production Fly Tying." He explains technique in this book, not recipes for ties (this book is made most valuable as a reference source: when you’re lashing down a moose mane tail, you can consult the book for a brief technique refresher before you begin, and your flies look a little better for your trouble). 3. Materials: Garbage in, garbage out. Webby dry fly hackle, too soft biots, it doesn’t matter. There’s nothing you can do to disguise poor materials. 4. Hooks: I used to recycle hooks but quit when I discovered that hooks grow weaker in boxes–every time your fly box gets submerged, the hooks will weaken from rust, particularly where the bend enters foam. I prefer Tiemco (particularly the 200R) and Daichi hooks. 5. Bottom Line: tie patterns that have proved their worth on the waters you fish. While just about any pattern will work at one time or another, there are a lot of useless diversions out there. Get to know old timers and knowledgable guides. They’ll turn you on to patterns you won’t find in books. Mitch Mulhall

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    To All;   I have been asked by some in my tying classes , what 5 things makes up a High Quality Fly. The question is valid and would like to hear what the ROFF group may say.    Harry Harry: 1. Ease of tying: most of us fit fly tying between the responsibilities work, running a home, and the ten o’clock news. Functional patterns are not necessarily a compromise. You can crank out a dozen brown-hackle-peacocks or BWO compara duns in the time it takes to tie half-as-many extended body paradrakes. This is not to say you don’t need extended body paradrakes–just save the more involved patterns for those rare occasions when you have a few hours to spend on the vice. 2. Proportions and technique: Spend time understanding how to size hackle and dimension tails; without such understanding, you can easily turn a humpy into a spider. Study A. K. Best’s "Production Fly Tying." He explains technique in this book, not recipes for ties (this book is made most valuable as a reference source: when you’re lashing down a moose mane tail, you can consult the book for a brief technique refresher before you begin, and your flies look a little better for your trouble). 3. Materials: Garbage in, garbage out. Webby dry fly hackle, too soft biots, it doesn’t matter. There’s nothing you can do to disguise poor materials. 4. Hooks: I used to recycle hooks but quit when I discovered that hooks grow weaker in boxes–every time your fly box gets submerged, the hooks will weaken from rust, particularly where the bend enters foam. I prefer Tiemco (particularly the 200R) and Daichi hooks. 5. Bottom Line: tie patterns that have proved their worth on the waters you fish. While just about any pattern will work at one time or another, there are a lot of useless diversions out there. Get to know old timers and knowledgable guides. They’ll turn you on to patterns you won’t find in books. Mitch Mulhall

  To Mitch and all who took the time to reply, thank you !!  I will take these notes to the start of yet another class Thursday night.   Again Thanks    Harry

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I routinely got "compression leaks" in the feet of my waders.  I switched to boot foot waders.  I’m not sure what to do about these leaks due to the the neoprene getting compressed to the point that the inner and outer skin touch each other.  I also would be interested in how to deal with these besides throwing them out.  Also how do you prevent the feet from getting compressed? Bill A.

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Neoprene compression is a problem because you stand on them all the time, and when neoprene gets compressed flat, it usually leaks.  Most companies who still use neoprene soles make them 5 mils thick to compensate for this and make them last longer.  Many of these companies will replace the foot on your waders for around $60.  Orvis uses Hypalon foam on the feet which is s foam version of the same stuff Zodiac boats are made out of, doesn’t need the extra bulk, and doesn’t suffer from this compression problem.  In fact that is the biggest reason they can offer their 4 year warranty on their waders without eating a bunch of waders.  Many other companies have followed suit, and from personal experience I highly recommend waders with Hypalon soles.  Keep repairing yours as long as is practical, but next time get waders with Hypalon soles for more durability. Dan Gracia Schools Coordinator Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again.  So what if they eat other fish?  If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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Bill, Waders with serious compression leaks in the feet can only be salvaged by sending them back to the manufacturer to have the foot portion of the wader replaced.  If you choose not to go this route, consider recycling the old waders before you throw them out.  With a razor knife you can cut up portions of the old waders to make gravel guards, knee pads, a butt pad, mouse pads for all your family…  Your question regarding prevention of compression leaks prompted me to examine the feet of my own waders. I’m 230 lbs (lots of compression!) and found some areas showing compression on 3 year old waders.  Without knowing what brand of wader you have or how often you use them, I’m not sure how to answer your question regarding prevention of compression.  I do know that all neoprene materials are not equal and the better materials are more resistant to compression.   Best wishes, Clay

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:  Also how do you prevent the : feet from getting compressed? : Bill A. Bill,  Fill your pockets with helium before heading off to     your favorite pool.  That should reduce the compression on both your wader feet and your socks! :^) Charley

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Are you suggesting loosing a few pounds might help? Bill A.

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: Are you suggesting loosing a few pounds might help? : Bill A. Heaven’s, No, Bill.  Compensating, that’s the key.  Loosing weight has no glamour of tinkering.  Contriving to counter the weight is THE way to go! Charley

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: How about this.. instead of losing weight, or injecting helium, perhaps : why not cutt off your feet?  If you do this, then there will be no : compression on the soles… of course, this would lead to other problesm, : is guess. : edwin aguilar You could also just walk on your hands…..course, you may have to hold your breath while casting with your, er, ah, ….. foot, yeah, your foot! Charley

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  Contriving to counter the weight is THE way to go! Charley

I AGREE. How about this.. instead of losing weight, or injecting helium, perhaps why not cutt off your feet?  If you do this, then there will be no compression on the soles… of course, this would lead to other problesm, is guess. edwin aguilar

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Thanks, Robert Yee

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        Coat the effected area with Simms Seal. This is a brown or blue urethane water-based emulsion with dries so fast you can use the waders in a matter of minutes. It also adheres to the neoprene extremely well and stops leaks.

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Would appreciate suggestions on how to, and what material to use, in repairingneoprene waders that have developed a small leak in the toe, appears to be a Thanks, Robert Yee

A product called ‘Aquaseal’ was recommended to me at a local tackle shop (Mel Cotton’s in San Jose).  I used it to seal up a rather large hole in the sole of my neoprene waders.  It works really well — dries up as a thick, clear rubbery seal that appears perhaps tougher than the neoprene skin itself.  Works wonders!  (Takes probably 8-12 hours or so to dry). J Smith Sunnyvale, CA

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I understand from my lunch buddies that when House Speaker Newt Gingrich was in New Hampshire this past weekend he was looking for a moose but got an earful from a fly fisherman.   Anyone know the story?

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who cares ?

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 who cares ?

One thing I can say for the Fly Fishermen I know.. They are for the most part ‘Blunt’. My hat’s off to the Flyman who told the news exactly what he thought about Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook? Tight Lines Mike

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writes:  who cares ? Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook?

Snags and bottom-feeders. — -Wayne Trzyna

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writes:  who cares ? One thing I can say for the Fly Fishermen I know.. They are for the most part ‘Blunt’. My hat’s off to the Flyman who told the news exactly what he thought about Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook? Tight Lines Mike

Don’t know, but I caught a newt with an Ausable Wulff in a mountain pond a few weeks back!

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Newt may not be the smoothest of characters but he is finally being honest with our tax dollar.

When you no longer have any place to fish, because the esteemed Mr Gingrich has sold off all the public lands, you’ll recognize him for what he is: a self-serving, evil man. — -Wayne Trzyna

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Newt may not be the smoothest of  characters but he is finally being honest with our tax dollar.  When you no longer have any place to fish, because the esteemed Mr Gingrich  has sold off all the public lands, you’ll recognize him for what he is:  a self-serving, evil man.  –  -Wayne Trzyna

Wayne, are you discribing Newt or Rush? It’s not the selling of Public Lands that concern me as much as a possible roll-back of the clean air act that will effect both Public and Private Fisheries. Misha

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Firstly, I "genuflect" to no one, especially an elected official.  He’s a public servant and it’s his job to listen to what the public has to say (whether it be rude, offensive, foul or whatever).  Putting up with the public and criticism goes along with the territory. Secondly, if elected officials were "pistol whipped" and "hog tied" each time they said something off color, there would be a lot of congressmen and presidents with sore heads, wrists and ankles. Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University Why don’t you girls take this CRAP to the proper forum…this isn’t the place for petty politics.

Moreover, it isn’t the place for sexist comments.  Have some respect, Donald. Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University

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what was said

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Face it,  if we are going to "hog tie", Hillbilly Bill would only have stumps remaining for extremities!!  Mr. Newt may not be the smoothest of characters but he is finally being honest with our tax dollar.    We may not all agree with the decisions being made concerning the environment but more can be done on a grass roots level to maintain our rivers than anything our now bankrupt Uncle Sam could or can ever do!

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Wait a minute. A Pinko-Liberal Vermonter flyfisher, who is afraid of the truth, trashed Newt? Tell me the story! I gotta hear it? Does Newt flyfish? Or throw grenades into hatcheries?

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 Wait a minute. A Pinko-Liberal Vermonter flyfisher, who is afraid of the  truth, trashed Newt? Tell me the story! I gotta hear it? Does Newt  flyfish? Or throw grenades into hatcheries?

Grenades into the Hatcheries is more like it.. A Pinko-Liberal Misha

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Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook? Tight Lines Mike Don’t know, but I caught a newt with an Ausable Wulff in a mountain pond a few weeks back!

I hope this time you forgot about catch and release. I expect that Gingrich was looking to dynamite some trout, before anyone could complain about his PAC donors dumping cyanide-laced mine tailings in the creek.  Anybody who can make Bob Dole appear a decent human being by comparison IS all bad. Catch and do the right thing,                                 Phil Holt

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!   Well put. I agree that everybody should genuflect in the presence of elected officials, even if we did not elect them. It should make no difference to me that Gingrich helped pass HR 961, believes that water pollution is a problem invented in a liberal Washington D.C. think tank, and wants to roll back environmental legislation so that corporate America can steward public lands. That Puke should be hog-tied and pistol-whipped for disrespecting an elected official. db

db, Firstly, I "genuflect" to no one, especially an elected official.  He’s a public servant and it’s his job to listen to what the public has to say (whether it be rude, offensive, foul or whatever).  Putting up with the public and criticism goes along with the territory. Secondly, if elected officials were "pistol whipped" and "hog tied" each time they said something off color, there would be a lot of congressmen and presidents with sore heads, wrists and ankles. Jim Davis Philadelphia, PA Temple University

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the fisherman expressed his displeasure with Newt.  He stated that Newt is mean spirited.  He also stated that the water he was fishing in would be poluted soon if the the "clean water" standards proposed by Newt’s buddies is passed.  Sounds fair to me.      Newt was a gentleman.  His response " He obviously is not from new Hampshire.  I hope that he catches some fish."      He was a teacher from Vermont.

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: I understand from my lunch buddies that when House Speaker Newt Gingrich : was in New Hampshire this past weekend he was looking for a moose but got : an earful from a fly fisherman.   Anyone know the story?    He was a Pinko-Liberal teacher from Vermont who’s afraid of the TRUTH.   Tallyho !   Alphs Kilo

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I think the puke was on the bank, not in the river…..

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!  

Well put. I agree that everybody should genuflect in the presence of elected officials, even if we did not elect them. It should make no difference to me that Gingrich helped pass HR 961, believes that water pollution is a problem invented in a liberal Washington D.C. think tank, and wants to roll back environmental legislation so that corporate America can steward public lands. That Puke should be hog-tied and pistol-whipped for disrespecting an elected official. db

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I care.  Newt was instrumental in pushing HR961, the Dirty Water Bill through the house.  He needed an earfull and more……

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All this talk of newt makes me dis-in-Gingriched… Dan Foster

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!  

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!  

Hey…isn’t that what America’s all about. Free speech. From what I read from the excerpts of this encounter, he wasn’t obscene or demeaning. He just told it like it was. When we write our congressional representatives, we wonder if our message is getting through. Well on this day his voice was certainly heard!

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The "puke" in the river should have kept his mouth shut and showed some respect!   Hey…isn’t that what America’s all about. Free speech. From what I read from the excerpts of this encounter, he wasn’t obscene or demeaning. He just told it like it was. When we write our congressional representatives, we wonder if our message is getting through. Well on this day his voice was certainly heard!

Did the guy get out of the river to say it, or is yelling over water better ?   Harry

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 who cares ? One thing I can say for the Fly Fishermen I know.. They are for the most part ‘Blunt’. My hat’s off to the Flyman who told the news exactly what he thought about Newt. Newt… Hummmm! Wonder what you could catch with a Newt on a hook?

I believe this event happened up on the Androscoggin in Errol, between the Gauge House pool (below the Errol Dam) and the Rt 26 bridge (one of my favorite stretches to spend an afternoon going after ‘bows, browns, and landlockers). The honors went to a  flyfisher from Vermont (figures – it surely wouldn’t have been anyone from Cow Hampster – who’d likely not bother to stop fishing long enough to give a Newt the time of day ;^)… When I read this story I couldn’t help but smile… <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <           "Read this and nobody gets hurt"           < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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 Don’t know, but I caught a newt with an Ausable Wulff in a mountain  pond a few weeks back!

You should have placed him on a hook. You may not have caught anything, but the satisfaction of putting Newt on a hook would have been worth it.;-) But then Newts are a protected species isn’t it? Tight Lines Misha

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