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Jeff,   Just so I have the details correctly: 1 dry and 1 wet caddis, in orange. Size can be anything the tyer wishes?                               Tom

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Jeff,   Just so I have the details correctly: 1 dry and 1 wet caddis, in orange. Size can be anything the tyer wishes?                               Tom

okay.  see how agreeable i am… jeff (btw, yer now on the rules committee)

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jeff writes: btw, yer now on the rules committee

man, this place is getting like my workplace! People calling me dumbo and maggot, now the committees!  AARRRGH!                                  Tom now, about that matter of defining "orange"

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Tom writes: now, about that matter of defining "orange"

Yes.  And perhaps a recipe….. Dave

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Dave writes: Yes.  And perhaps a recipe…..

no, that would take all of the creativity out of it.                          Tom

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Tom writes: Dave writes: Yes.  And perhaps a recipe….. no, that would take all of the creativity out of it.

Aha!  I see….. heh, heh, heh.

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So can i go buy some caddis and spay paint them orange ???Are these going to be distrubited to all entries into the rodeo ? Also bareback or saddle broncs? And i would imagine there will be alot of bull there also.                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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jeff writes: btw, yer now on the rules committee man, this place is getting like my workplace! People calling me dumbo and maggot, now the committees!  AARRRGH!                                  Tom now, about that matter of defining "orange"

If you’re tying Jeffies flies, I think you should be *real* creative.

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Stan writes: If you’re tying Jeffies flies, I think you should be *real* creative.

well, shoot! Within a minute or two after scrambling down the bank, they will all be wet flies anyway!                                 Tom p.s. I am tying flies for myownself, thanks!

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Stan writes: If you’re tying Jeffies flies, I think you should be *real* creative.

hmmm… may i suggest a bunch of orange thread and deerhair on a bottle opener? i lose bottle openers some kinda bad. p.s. I am tying flies for myownself, thanks!

kinda kills the swap idea then don’t it? jeff

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Jeff writes: p.s. I am tying flies for myownself, thanks! kinda kills the swap idea then don’t it?

sorry if you misunderstood, I just wasn’t tying "proxy" flies for others. However, can someone clear up this confusion? Are we having a swap or also a one-fly angling contest at Blue Rock Hole? Ignorant little shit which I am, I am starting to get murky on the details.                                  Tom

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Jeff writes: p.s. I am tying flies for myownself, thanks! kinda kills the swap idea then don’t it? sorry if you misunderstood, I just wasn’t tying "proxy" flies for others. However, can someone clear up this confusion? Are we having a swap or also a one-fly angling contest at Blue Rock Hole? Ignorant little shit which I am, I am starting to get murky on the details.                                  Tom

sorry about the murky details – it’s residue from the anticlave thing. anyway, yer the rules committee, so issue a ruling.  i thought we were tying, swapping, and then fishing the swaps (orange caddis only) at the axelrad rodeo at the blue rock hole. jeff

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jeff clarifies: orry about the murky details – it’s residue from the anticlave thing. anyway, yer the rules committee, so issue a ruling.  i thought we were tying, swapping, and then fishing the swaps (orange caddis only) at the axelrad rodeo at the blue rock hole.

Wow, is this stuff complicated!  I mean, I invited you damned confeder….er, I mean Southerners up here, and now we have this convoluted mess!  Good Lord!  I say we tie them, swap them and then all go and get drunk after we drop them in the woods someplace whilst trying to sort them into boxes. Pretty much what is going to happen anyway, I figure. Alright, I will go along with your version, but don’t say I didn’t warn you, this is going to get Ugly. Good of you to take care of those tshirts for me.                                     Tom

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Hearing about this rodeo, I couldn’t resist… Two cowboys are out on the range talking about their favorite sex positions. One says, "I think I enjoy the rodeo position the best." "I don’t think I have ever heard of that one," says the other cowboy. "What is it?" "Well, it’s where you get your wife down on all fours and you mount her from behind. Then you reach around and cup each one  of her  breasts in your hands and whisper in her ear, ‘Boy, these feel just like your sister’s.’ Then you try and hold on for 8 seconds." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well alrighty then… here it is.  Participants must tie one dry and one wet/nymph.  Only those attending the Penns clave can join the swap, but, you can have a surrogate (only one) tie your flies for you to be sent to me (only way wayno and pj could participate).  So, sign up, name your seconds (the one whats gonna tie your flies) and send them to me. I’ll send my snail mail address to those participating. Now, before anybody else makes the solicitation, I need a surrogate to tie my flies – with full attribution to you, of course!  Wolfgang, Mike Connor, rw, willi (if you aren’t attending), warren (if you aren’t attending), daytripper, petah c, somebody…i know one of you guys (or girls?) will be happy to help me out <G. Those who sign up and who attend the Penns clave automatically will be entered as participants in the 1st Annual Axelrad Memorial Bizarre Fly Rodeo at the Blue Rock Hole.  You will be allowed to use only orange caddis – dry and/or wet/nymph – for the duration of the rodeo at the Blue Rock Hole.  Further details will be announced by the Board of Directors, once we figure out who the hell they are gonna be. jeff

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(SPLORK VANG MU!) I’ll try to remember that one Jeff.  Good one. bruce h

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Well alrighty then… here it is.  Participants must tie one dry and one wet/nymph.  Only those attending the Penns clave can join the swap, but, you can have a surrogate (only one) tie your flies for you to be sent to me (only way wayno and pj could participate).  So, sign up, name your seconds (the one whats gonna tie your flies) and send them to me. I’ll send my snail mail address to those participating. Now, before anybody else makes the solicitation, I need a surrogate to tie my flies – with full attribution to you, of course!  Wolfgang, Mike Connor, rw, willi (if you aren’t attending), warren (if you aren’t attending), daytripper, petah c, somebody…i know one of you guys (or girls?) will be happy to help me out <G. Those who sign up and who attend the Penns clave automatically will be entered as participants in the 1st Annual Axelrad Memorial Bizarre Fly Rodeo at the Blue Rock Hole.  You will be allowed to use only orange caddis – dry and/or wet/nymph – for the duration of the rodeo at the Blue Rock Hole.  Further details will be announced by the Board of Directors, once we figure out who the hell they are gonna be. jeff

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Question:

the ROFF Maine Clave will be held there next September.

It’s *this* September, right? (don’t want to show up a year early<g) — Charlie…

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writes: the ROFF Maine Clave will be held there next September. It’s *this* September, right? (don’t want to show up a year early<g) — Charlie…

Sorry, Charlie.  Yes, *this* September. D.      —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free Usenet News via the Web  —–      —–  http://newsone.net/ —  Discussions on every subject. —–    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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: I think this describes what I am looking for to take my 12 year old for a few days : of FF’ing.  We are short-timers to the sport an decent fly tying students as well. : I am looking for a place either in northern NH or western Me. that is out of the : way but close or on some decent trout/salmon water.  Doesn’t have to be fancy (read : pricey) but just the basics to enjoy for a few days.  Please respond either : directly or to the group as others I’m sure have interest in such places.  If you : have a secret spot or two that I can impress my son with, email me privately and : I’ll be sworn to secrecy.  Thanks in advance.  Paul Neither the Libby camps or Bradfords camps are in Western Maine.  Both are in Northern Maine.  Quite a long drive from NH.  Other than that I expect you would enjoy either. — Isaac(Ike) B. Wilder That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

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Has anyone out there fished at Bradford Camps in Maine in the past few years ? If so, how was the experience (fishing, facilities, etc.) Thanks- RTW — Remove "zzz" from address if emailing direct.

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You might reconsider and go to Libby’s.  I think the price is similar.  Go to www.libbycamps.com for more info.  And, no, I am not affiliated with Libby’s, although I do business with them in Maine and Labrador.  Matt and Ellen run a first class camp, with excellent cabins and 1st class food.  They even have remote cabins, strategically located on different ponds and rivers with all the amenities you would need — they are housekeeping — you fix your own meals. They are the ultimate "get away from it all" cabins. Dave LaCourse Hudson, MA

I think this describes what I am looking for to take my 12 year old for a few days of FF’ing.  We are short-timers to the sport an decent fly tying students as well. I am looking for a place either in northern NH or western Me. that is out of the way but close or on some decent trout/salmon water.  Doesn’t have to be fancy (read pricey) but just the basics to enjoy for a few days.  Please respond either directly or to the group as others I’m sure have interest in such places.  If you have a secret spot or two that I can impress my son with, email me privately and I’ll be sworn to secrecy.  Thanks in advance. Paul from Peterborough, NH

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You might reconsider and go to Libby’s.  I think the price is similar.  Go to www.libbycamps.com for more info.  And, no, I am not affiliated with Libby’s, although I do business with them in Maine and Labrador.  Matt and Ellen run a first class camp, with excellent cabins and 1st class food.  They even have remote cabins, strategically located on different ponds and rivers with all the amenities you would need — they are housekeeping — you fix your own meals. They are the ultimate "get away from it all" cabins. Dave LaCourse Hudson, MA

I think this describes what I am looking for to take my 12 year old for a few days of FF’ing.  We are short-timers to the sport an decent fly tying students as well. I am looking for a place either in northern NH or western Me. that is out of the way but close or on some decent trout/salmon water.  Doesn’t have to be fancy (read pricey) but just the basics to enjoy for a few days.  Please respond either directly or to the group as others I’m sure have interest in such places.  If you have a secret spot or two that I can impress my son with, email me privately and I’ll be sworn to secrecy. Thanks in advance. Paul from Peterborough, NH

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RWhite writes: Has anyone out there fished at Bradford Camps in Maine in the past few years ? If so, how was the experience (fishing, facilities, etc.) Thanks- RTW

I have fished the area while staying at Libby Camps.  Matt Libby can fly you into some remote ponds that don’t see many ffers.  I fished a pond with Bob Johnson, one of Libby’s long-time guides, and caught lots of 12 – 16 inch brookies, all on dries.  I know that Bradford Camps is "just around the corner" (so to speak) from Libby’s, but I’m not sure they have fly outs.  You can fish the area without them, but they do make for an easy way to see and fish the Allagash Wilderness.   You might reconsider and go to Libby’s.  I think the price is similar.  Go to www.libbycamps.com for more info.  And, no, I am not affiliated with Libby’s, although I do business with them in Maine and Labrador.  Matt and Ellen run a first class camp, with excellent cabins and 1st class food.  They even have remote cabins, strategically located on different ponds and rivers with all the amenities you would need — they are housekeeping — you fix your own meals. They are the ultimate "get away from it all" cabins. Dave LaCourse Hudson, MA

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Paul writes:

(snip) If you have a secret spot or two that I can impress my son with, email me privately and I’ll be sworn to secrecy. Thanks in advance.

Paul, we’ve spoken before on this.  The Rapid River is a wonderful place for a dad/son team.  The food is wonderful, and the fishing the best.  See www.lakewoodcamps.com for more info.  I will be there the 1st, 2nd, and 4th weeks of June, and the ROFF Maine Clave will be held there next September. Dave LaCourse

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This summer I’m interested in fishing the flats in SW Florida (Ft Meyers area and south in to the Everglades).  Does anyone have recommendations for good guides?  Thanks

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If they are booked up they will find you a guide in the area. — <*))))< Paul Phillips Director of Operations Fintastic Fish Mounts http://www.fintastic.com/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This summer I’m interested in fishing the flats in SW Florida (Ft Meyers area and south in to the Everglades).  Does anyone have recommendations for good guides?  Thanks

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Check with Capt. Andrew Bostick 941-394-3010 Tell him Capt. Tommy Robinson sent you http://www.floridaredfish.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This summer I’m interested in fishing the flats in SW Florida (Ft Meyers area and south in to the Everglades).  Does anyone have recommendations for good guides?  Thanks

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Try Capt. Chris Asaro. He has a site at <http://www.sightfish.net/ . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This summer I’m interested in fishing the flats in SW Florida (Ft Meyers area and south in to the Everglades).  Does anyone have recommendations for good guides?  Thanks

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For great Fly Fishing in Wyoming, contact Paul at Jack Creek Outfitters.

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Is the Matthew Shepard case an isolated one, or most people at Laramie, Wyoming are violent and hatred-charged?  How safe is it for me, an Asian American to visit Wyoming?

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The folks in WY, in general, are about the same as people anywhere.  If anything, most go out of their way to be open and friendly.  There are psychopaths, misfits and criminals in WY just as there are in NY, LA, Iowa, Japan and elsewhere in the world.  Go and enjoy yourself.  You might consider NOT going into a cowboy bar, standing up on a stool and informing the patrons that Wyoming cowboys  are weenies. J. Rice – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is the Matthew Shepard case an isolated one, or most people at Laramie, Wyoming are violent and hatred-charged?  How safe is it for me, an Asian American to visit Wyoming?

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Is the Matthew Shepard case an isolated one, or most people at Laramie, Wyoming are violent and hatred-charged?  How safe is it for me, an Asian American to visit Wyoming?

I’m sad to report that it is not safe at all. Neither is Colorado. I’d go to Montana or Idaho if I were you. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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It depends on where you have Colorado plates on your car. If you come and rent a car don’t get it in Denver with Colorado plates. I get yeld at and get "flipped off" by passing Wyoming folks on my way to fishing in the great windy state. Don’t want a border war over this post but they are a little thin skinned about us "greenees" (Colorado has green license plates) coming up and fishing their waters. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is the Matthew Shepard case an isolated one, or most people at Laramie, Wyoming are violent and hatred-charged?  How safe is it for me, an Asian American to visit Wyoming? Own

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Is the Matthew Shepard case an isolated one,

I live in Wyoming; few people here condone the terrible fate of Matt Shepard. There are many rednecks, but the vast majority aren’t violent. or most people at Laramie, Wyoming are violent and hatred-charged?

Once again, this is (as far as I can see) an isolated event. People here for the most part don’t hate minorities, or want to do vilence to any group, but quite a few have plenty of bias based on sexual preference. How safe is it for me, an Asian American to visit Wyoming?

In my opinion, you’ll be very safe. The criminals who murdered Matt were not representatives of the state. Frank Longtine                           The Second Amendment protects your liberties,   1984 Ford                                 not your hunting rights.       1997 Rokon Trail Breaker                       1993 Specialized Stumjumper Two Good Feet

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Don’t want a border war over this post but they are a little thin skinned about us "greenees" (Colorado has green license plates) coming up and fishing their waters.

Thin skinned?? Hey, I don’t mind you greenies fishing in my home water, so long as you don’t mind the caltrops. Just kidding, friend. Fish here all you like- I’ll welcome you anytime. But I won’t share my honey holes with you. You’ll have to earn them the same way I did- by working for them. Frank Longtine                           The Second Amendment protects your liberties,   1984 Ford                                 not your hunting rights.       1997 Rokon Trail Breaker                       1993 Specialized Stumjumper Two Good Feet

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How safe is it for me, an Asian American to visit Wyoming?

BTW, feel free to e-mail me if you need more info as to where to fish, stay, etc. Frank Frank Longtine                           The Second Amendment protects your liberties,   1984 Ford                                 not your hunting rights.       1997 Rokon Trail Breaker                       1993 Specialized Stumjumper Two Good Feet

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That’s fair. Good spots are to be guarded from slash and burn fishermen and those who can’t keep a secret. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t want a border war over this post but they are a little thin skinned about us "greenees" (Colorado has green license plates) coming up and fishing their waters. Thin skinned?? Hey, I don’t mind you greenies fishing in my home water, so long as you don’t mind the caltrops. Just kidding, friend. Fish here all you like- I’ll welcome you anytime. But I won’t share my honey holes with you. You’ll have to earn them the same way I did- by working for them. Frank Longtine                           The Second Amendment protects your liberties, 1984 Ford                                 not your hunting rights. 1997 Rokon Trail Breaker 1993 Specialized Stumjumper Two Good Feet

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June? Thanx. Gregg.  Gregg  From what I hear, find some not still frozen lakes. Water will be everywhere, not that one cannot fish  during the run- off, it is just limiting. Harry June is usually a good month for dry flies on the Firehole inside the Park. Snow pack is at 200% in most of the Yellowstone area. Most rivers and tributaries will be high until Aug. Stick to the lakes. Guy

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June is usually a good month for dry flies on the Firehole inside the Park.

There is no Firehole outside the Park. <g  -AR

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Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June? Thanx. Gregg.

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Expect Snow! Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June?

– Brian D. Nelson, Missoula, Montana Montana Flyfishing and Hunting Outfitter http://www.montana.com/dno/dno.htm http://www.montana.com/dno/hunt.htm

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Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June? Thanx. Gregg.

 Gregg  From what I hear, find some not still frozen lakes. Water will be everywhere, not that one cannot fish  during the run- off, it is just limiting. Harry

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My wife and I fished Yellowstone the last week of June 2 years ago when they had an unusually high run-off.  The only river fishable was the Firehole.

I can give you updates from time to time, but the snowpack here in the wyoming mountains is very high this year- I will not be a pretty spring. I plan on starting my fishing in August (no, I’m not joking)

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My wife and I fished Yellowstone the last week of June 2 years ago when they had an unusually high run-off.  The only river fishable was the Firehole.  We had pretty good luck about 3 miles below Old Faithful Inn – can’t remember the names of the river sections.  Every other river we tried was so full of water you couldn’t reasonably fish them. I suggest you wait until after 15 July. J. Bjostad John Bjostad Columbia Heights, MN Retired avionics engineer – full time fly fishing addict

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June? Thanx. Gregg.  Gregg  From what I hear, find some not still frozen lakes. Water will be everywhere, not that one cannot fish  during the run- off, it is just limiting. Harry

June is usually a good month for dry flies on the Firehole inside the Park.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any recommendations or advice on flyfishing in/around the Yellowstone area in June? Thanx. Gregg.  Gregg  From what I hear, find some not still frozen lakes. Water will be everywhere, not that one cannot fish  during the run- off, it is just limiting. Harry June is usually a good month for dry flies on the Firehole inside the Park.

 Hi Steve   You are right, PMD’s are in full swing, as well as the Winnabago emergence and the evening Mini Van fall. Makes for some real fun back casting, at Fountain Flats one can hook a  tuna sandwich and a Brown on the same cast     HM

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How and where should you put a strike indicator. thanks

J.P., your request will probably cause lots of debate as a lot of flyfisherman do not consider the use of a strike indicator to be sporting.  These types look at the end of their fly line for any indication of a strike.  They are in effect using their fly lines as strike indicators. Most authorities estimate that the majority of strikes are missed if strike indicators are not used.  I usually place my strike indicator about 2-3 times the water depth up from the fly.  I also prefer the ball type and peg it with a toothpick.  There are all types of indicators on the market that will twist onto the leader.  This is not bobber fishing as the fly is not suspended directly below the strike indicator.  You merely watch the indicator and strike when it moves "funny".  It takes experience.  Hope this helps.

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How and where should you put a strike indicator. thanks

Somewhere between the tip of your fly line and your fly. Where exactly is dependent on e.g. on the depth you are fishing. The indicator should be at least 2-3 times the water depth you are fishing. Under conditions where fish are extremely spoky even more, often directly in front of the fly line, in fast water closer to the fly will show you more strikes. Hope that helps                  Thomas — JP Dorris Hunting and Fishing it’s all so relaxing

– Thomas Urbig

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How and where should you put a strike indicator. thanks — JP Dorris Hunting and Fishing it’s all so relaxing

Fred may be right, in a way.  But, the norm is to put it one and one half times a far above the fly as the water you’re fishing is deep.  In other words, six feet up the leader if the water is four feet deep. Tight Lines, Charley

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How and where should you put a strike indicator. thanks — JP Dorris Hunting and Fishing it’s all so relaxing

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How and where should you put a strike indicator. thanks — JP Dorris Hunting and Fishing it’s all so relaxing

Back on the shelf at Walmart with the rest of the red and white bobbers.   Sorry, couldn’t resist the take. Best, Fred Rickson

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How and where should you put a strike indicator. thanks — JP Dorris Hunting and Fishing it’s all so relaxing

JP, I used to pride myself on being able to sense when a trout had picked up my nymph and never used one…. as age set in and reflexes slowed, and eyesight dimmed, I use a very small piece of yarn or other about 4 to 8 feet above the nymph on the leader, especially in medium to slow water. Don’t use one in fast water as it drowns and also is not needed, as the strike is evident without it. Tightlines, Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va        *the trout teach many, lessons*

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How and where should you put a strike indicator. thanks — JP Dorris Hunting and Fishing it’s all so relaxing

The genral rule is twice the depth of the palce you are fishing.  A tip for you is to drive past the fly shop and go to a non-FFinf shop and pick up some pickerel (walleye) floats aka little corkies, worm floats etc for pennies a piece and then get some tooth picks .  Cut the tooth picks short and peg the indicator where you want it on your line by running the line through the center etc… Ian

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Question:

On short _backpacking_ trips, I often like to carry in a bunch of good food….I really out did myself by overstuffing an expedition backpack for a three day trip.  

Of course, the best gourmet food isn’t that which is packed in.  On a backpack last August in the Holy Cross Wilderness, our first-night’s meal was cutthroat trout panfried with "scaly urchin" mushrooms.  Too bad it wasn’t berry season, or we would have had a fitting dessert for our wilderness-gathered meal. — /    "How to Lose Weight, Increase Your Sex Appeal and Make a Fortune on the   _][  Information Superhighway" would outsell the Bible, at least briefly.

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        I like using a combination of Freeze Dried Food, MREs,         homemade trail mix and lots of beef jerky flavored with         cyan pepper.         I like adding kool aid, gatorade, instant coffee General         International Foods coffee, and Milk man packets.         A lot of the items are repackaged to save on weight and size.         -Dave         AT&T Denver

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I’m a simple eating soul as well.  Oatmeal in the morn,…

I think basically most people who travel are this way.  It can vary with the required travel distances.  Usually, I go for simplicity, but a couple weekends ago I poached salmon while others dug snow caves, but that was a short ski in (note in winter you can afford to take frozen foods on short trips, etc.).  A favorite climbing partner of old was a great cook, and he could carry the weight to help. However, on longer trips, you would do best to read some of the experiences of some major expeditions and the importance of food and morale.  Read Snyder’s Hall of the Mountain King and the defending White Winds (comments about chili), locate accounts of the 1971 International Everest Expedition (all menu planning done by a vegetarian who brought in half a ton of a type of pumpernickle bread which only he would eat, and that was merely one food). The occasional elaborate meal is fine, but that’s not quite the purpose for being there.  If you want fine dining, stay in the big city. Remember, rule number 1 on a big, long trip: NEVER offend the camp cook.

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well since u asked heres my $0.02 worth- i usally hike with a guy who is a weight freak the lighter the better, our trips vary in length 2-14 days and take place in all seasons and all over the place, our favorite so far is the wind river range.  anyway im more of lesiurely kinda guy and prefer to take a bit more weight to enhance the atmosphere food wise.  so i always get tea and something good to eat in the morning, but im not below a pop tart as long as it’s toasted and the frosted kind, but lunches are a big deal so into the pack goes smoked, vacumed sealed salmon, smoked goda(sp?) chese, red onions, and bagels. dinners are alos good i mean its fun to laze around camp cooking up a storm after a good day hiking with some killer fly fishing thrown in, so we bring along freeze dried tortellini, spices, small 6oz cans of tamoto paste,  lentils, rice some other groovy things, lots of chocolate, and of course to top it all of as much single malt scotches that we can carry. oh my goodness i think im ready to hit the trail.  but anyway u light weighters or no hassle cooking folks should try the other route sometime cooking forces u to slow down and drink it all in.  u don’t have to cook or eat at camp, maybe next to a nearby lake/stream, or out on a cliff with a view then u split up the chores from night to night and the drugery isn’t so bad.  sorry for being so long winded.                                                    later,                  relax, don’t worry have a home brew!

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ENMfoods on short trips, etc.).  A favorite climbing partner of old was a ENMgreat cook, and he could carry the weight to help. On short _backpacking_ trips, I often like to carry in a bunch of good food (as long as it it doesn’t take too long to prepare–don’t want to cut into day hiking and swimming opportunities) and more than the usual assortment of luxury items and gadgets.  On one trip, about fifteen years ago, I really out did myself by overstuffing an expedition backpack for a three day trip.  My partners dubbed me "Piano Man" (as in piano mover) for my ability to haul all that weight up a mountain, and the name stuck.  Now, whenever I don a pack in their presence (even a day pack), I am immediately transformed into Piano Man.  Kinda like Clark Kent and his sky blue tights, I suppose. <G ENMThe occasional elaborate meal is fine, but that’s not quite the purpose ENMfor being there.  If you want fine dining, stay in the big city. I am reminded of the camp I past on the fifth morning of a Sierra trip.  There was a sprawling camp by the side of the trail with a new three-man tent in its center.  The campers were apparently still asleep, but I felt as though I had gotten to know them just the same: the pair of crystal wine glasses and the empty bottle perched on the edge of a large fire ring seemed as easy to read as any face. Gotta admit: there ain’t any restaurants in the big city with that kinda atmosphere. . . . ENMRemember, rule number 1 on a big, long trip: NEVER offend the camp cook. Even if he serves moose turd pie, right? <G —  * SLMR 2.1a * Visualize whirled peas.

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I’m a simple eating soul as well.  Oatmeal in the morn, 10 oz. of trail mix for snacking all day, four sailor boy flat biscuits and either peanut butter or cheese for lunch, and rice, noodles or potato based dinner with dried lentil, split pea, or black bean soup from the organic grocery, all melded together with parmesian and different strong spices.  On longer hikes I carry about 3 lbs per day of food, and for anything less than two weeks around 2 lbs.  

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I enjoy getting fancy at camp for dinner after a long strenuous day in the wilderness.  Part of the pleasure is the illusion of "invulnerability" while in the woods.  I have even been known to drag along some home brewed beer. (See "Beer in the woods…"  elsewhere in this conference.) OTOH, I belive breakfast should consist of boiling water for coffee and oatmeal, rinse the dishes and hit that trail before 9:00 am.                 And There is the Problem My wife’s idea of a pleasant vacation requires a leasurly four course breakfast, complete with lots of dishes.  While I’m chomping at the bit to get up the mountain before the temperature hits 90, she is just getting her pancake flipping technique down. — David M. Weaver    San Francisco State University   School of Business

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I’m a little more extreme than you, in that I no longer see any point in cooking.  I’d rather save the weight and not have to wash dishes and pots.

Now I’m curious!  What do you take for calories that lets save wieght and carry NO pots and pans?  Must be short trips. Have you been in the high altitude (10-14k) without serious carbos, protein, etc.? I spend 7-10 days in a place like the Wind River Range and if I don’t carry serious food I’m too week to hump it.  My pack usually starts out about 75lbs. and drops to about 60.  I do wish I could figure out a way to eat enough calories without having food take up 20% of pack weight.

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I like it both ways.  I bring a lot of powerbars & ramen for the trail and some good dishes for camp.  I eat so much it might as well be good.   I like dishes that are simple to fix and taste good (and to heck with the weight) A few favorites: Pasta with cheese and sun-dried tomatoes,

Yup, sun dried tomatos are fantastic.  I add them to the water right away then add the pasta, reice, lentils or whatever.  Add some spices and freeze dried vegies and you an make just about anything.  I’m not vehetarian, but I find the taste and texture of FD Tomatoss to be a very good meat substitute. Very highly recommended! Tortellini with pesto (get the fresh pasta and pesto at the supermarket, it’s easy as a TV dinner)

If you pack the sause in a nalgene the morning of the trip, you can lug it in. makes for a great first night dinner.  Good sauses are really hard to make from dry ingredients.  I’m always looking for good sauce recepies for the trail. Fried Rice with fresh fish

When you can catch’em<g. Pancakes  - Nothing like flipping cakes on a mountaintop all morning.

Generally, too fuel consuming, time wasting, but pure heaven!  If you try bringing a few eggs along they will really spiff up the cakes.  I like to make them extra thick and put orange pieces in them.  Cook very slow with butter.  Make big pot of coffee ahead of time, to while away the time.  Sometimes we even pack up early and get going so we can stop for the ultimate pancake breakfast.  Can make an high point to any trip. Grilled cheese sandwiches – yum! Regards, Kelly

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| This is a subject that I have always wanted to bring up. For me eating is | just something I do to fuel my body on the trail. I don’t make a big deal | out of it, the simpler the better. For breakfest I eat outmeal, snack on | GORP or powerbars through out the day and then usually have some rice and | ramen soup for dinner or a dehydrated meal in a bag. All my cooking | consists of boil water, add, wait a little then eat. If I am just going | for a overnighter or 2 night trip I sometimes just buy a couple of pizzas | wrap them up and snack on cold pizza all weekend. | I’m a little more extreme than you, in that I no longer see any point in cooking.  I’d rather save the weight and not have to wash dishes and pots.

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This is a subject that I have always wanted to bring up. For me eating is just something I do to fuel my body on the trail. I don’t make a big deal out of it, the simpler the better. For breakfest I eat outmeal, snack on GORP or powerbars through out the day and then usually have some rice and ramen soup for dinner or a dehydrated meal in a bag. All my cooking consists of boil water, add, wait a little then eat. If I am just going for a overnighter or 2 night trip I sometimes just buy a couple of pizzas wrap them up and snack on cold pizza all weekend. Now I have packed with ppl who basically eat just as well in the backcountry then they do at home. Different dishs everyday, spices galore, etc…. It amazes me sometimes. I just like to keep it simple and light, no extras needed. This is me, what aabout you? I am just curious of all the different how, what, whys etc. of others in this group. Sean (who would never bake a cake then make a cup of capachino (sp?) in the backcountry)

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Well, I’m with you on this one.  For me, the simpler the better, but I can see the benefits of bringing a gourmet along.  Generally, when I camp, I’m concerned with the weight of my food, and that’s it.  It’s not because I wouldn’t want to eat well, it’s just that I’m lazy.  Also, I guess that eating poorly appeals to my romantic vision of hiking/camping.  You know, roughing it.  Burning a hot dog on a stick seems more appropriate than breaking out the fois gras.  Seems stupid, huh?

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: This is a subject that I have always wanted to bring up. For me eating is : just something I do to fuel my body on the trail. I don’t make a big deal I am exactly the opposite:  I enjoy preparing elaborate meals on the trail. In part, this is because I’m from New Orleans.  Food is more than just fuel here, it’s a way of life.   Partly, it’s just the challenge of figuring out how to accomplish the seemingly impossible:  baking biscuits on a backpacking stove or producing a cheesecake in the deep woods. Another reason:  I’m a Scoutmaster, and much of my camping is done with Boy Scouts.  An essential element of the Scouting program is that the *boys* plan the outings, including the menus.  Left to their own devices, they would have pop-tarts for breakfast, candy bars for lunch, and canned spaghetti for dinner.  Being a strong believer in letting them run their own program, I don’t interfere when they plan their menus.  I *do*, however, try to set an example.  When they are eating their canned spaghetti, they are watching me enjoy my fruit salad, jerky stew, and fresh-baked biscuits.  I make enough to let them all have a taste, but not enough to feed them a meal.  On the *next* trip, guess what they want to eat? Another factor:  The areas where we camp have a tremendous supply of firewood, and it’s a lot easier to prepare an elaborate meal with a campfire than with a single-burner stove. — "In the old days, being crazy meant something.                I don’t speak  Nowdays, EVERYBODY’S crazy."                                 for Tulane.                             — Charles Manson

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Could someone explain to me what is meant by a slow, medium or fast action fly rod and the advantages and disadvantages of the different actions? Thanks!

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: Could someone explain to me what is meant by a slow, medium or fast action : fly rod and the advantages and disadvantages of the different actions? I own three rods: one very soft (slow) 8 wt. home build, one medium 7-8 wt. Ron Thomson and one very fast Orvis Steelhead 7-8 wt. All of them are app. 9′ long, and I grab the Orvis almost any time. The slow rod is much too lame for the windy danish conditions. It can hardly cast a 7 wt DT line, and the WF8 line needed for most of my fishing is almost too heavy for it. It might bee good for light DT lines at short distances such as danish stream fishing — which I’ve never tried. The medium one is good for fishing in no wind. Fighting smaller fish (2-4 pounds) is a pleasure, but if a wind rises it can’t stand the distance. The Orvis rod is not only fast — it’s ultra fast and thows a 9 wt. WF line easily. I use it with an WF8 line and it’s a pleasure. the problem is that small fish is no big thrill on this rod. Big ones ar easily tired, but small ones you just wheel home. But the advantages are too big for me to choose another rod; long effortless casting even in the heaviest wind. I fish with this rod at the danish coastes all year round under all conditions and it’s a blessing. I would like to get a similar fast rod in a lower class like 6-7, for fishing under calmer conditions, and I will probably never again buy or build a slow rod — not to mention a bamboo one. Ofcourse your choice depends on your temper and your fishing, but try the fast ones too. Only one disadvantage; they’re expensive CU Martin Joergensen, Copehagen, Denmark

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: Could someone explain to me what is meant by a slow, medium or fast action : fly rod and the advantages and disadvantages of the different actions?

A fly rod is a delicately ballanced casting tool, not a broomstick with which to whip a fly onto the water.  Different people prefer the tool calibrated or tuned to different specs.  You will find those who prefer slow rods, and those who prefer fast.  It is really a matter of personal taste.  The finest, most expensive rods you can buy are extremely slow while the fastest rods tend to be the most popular today.  I generally prefer slow to medium rods, but you have to go to a show or shop and try a few out to find out for your self.         When you cast, you toss the line back and wait for the weight of the line to load the spring of the rod.  Then you possition the rod foreward and let the rod unload it’s force.  With a slow rod, you must let the rod do it’s thing.  You cannot force the cast, or all you get is a dropped line and a hook in the back of your head.  The advantage here is that the rod does all the work.  Casting can become extremely relaxing.  Many old timers really enjoy the graceful relaxation of casting a slow action split bamboo rod.  The problem is that you cannot get any more power than the rod was built with, no matter how tough you are.  Also, you are forced to cast with the rythm of the rod.  Those same slow graceful loading and unloadings can be a real pain if you can’t match their timing.         With a fast rod, you can actually force the cast.  In fact, with a really fast rod, you can ignore the rythm of the rod and just whip the line back and forth and push it out.  This means that you can add a lot of your own strength to the rods power to really punch out a cast.  It also means that you don’t have to learn to cast to start fishing, you can get away with just muscleing your way through it.         As fly fishing has gone from a graceful relaxing hobby of older men and women to a bastion of young, fit yuppies seeking outdoor thrills the general preference in rods has gone from slow to fast action rods.  I often taunt guys who prefer fast rods as impatient broomstick whippers.  Technically this is not fair.  Their are some advantages to those really fast rods.  My point is that you should not be intimidated into buying a fast rod because it’s popular, or a slow cane rod because it’s expensive.  Bottom line is that you need to find your own preference.   . Good luck . Lenny Bloksberg . . .

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   With a fast rod, you can actually force the cast.  In fact, with a really fast rod, you can ignore the rythm of the rod and just whip the line back and forth and push it out.  This means that you can add a lot of your own strength to the rods power to really punch out a cast.  It also means that you don’t have to learn to cast to start fishing, you can get away with just muscleing your way through it.

I don’t find that to be completely true. It’s true that you have the possibilty to add a lot of force to the cast when using a fast rod. This is not possible with a softer, slower rod or at least completely useless. But using extra force in the cast isn’t going to get you anywhere in my opninion — not even whith the fast rod. Even a fast rod is dependent of your rythm for a good performance, and my experience — using a fast rod for almost all my fishing — is that the best casts come when you follow the rods natural rythm — like when using a slower, softer rod. If you want distance or genlte presentation, never force the cast — not even using the newest, ultra fastest rod. It’s useless at best and destructive for your casting at the worst — and a waste of enegery anyhow. and women to a bastion of young, fit yuppies seeking outdoor thrills the general preference in rods has gone from slow to fast action rods.  I often taunt guys who prefer fast rods as impatient broomstick whippers.  Technically this is not fair.  Their are some advantages to those really fast rods.  My

If I did’nt use a fast rod for my coastal fishing under windy conditions in Denmark, I wouldn’t get a fly very far out, and probably wouldn’t catch many fish. And I’m no thrill-seaking yuppie BTW ;=) it’s popular, or a slow cane rod because it’s expensive.  Bottom line is that you need to find your own preference.  

Exactly my words Regards Martin Joergensen Copenhagen, Denmark

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Could someone explain to me what is meant by a slow, medium or fast action fly rod and the advantages and disadvantages of the different actions? Thanks! For graphite (I’m not familiar with bamboo), its a function of the rod taper and the type of graphite used. A good way to check the action of the rod is to lay the first half of the rod on the floor (away from feet, and all pieces of the rod assembled) and gently apply pressure until the middle ferral touches the floor. The more the whole rod bends throughout the entire blank the better the chance its a slow or medium action rod. Faster rods typically have stiffer butt sections and/or stiffer tip sections.

Try this instead: Slow rod = Bends in the Butt Med. rod = Bends in the mid-section Fast rod = Bends at the tip Another way to think about this is to consider how much the rod (for a given weight) would bend under a given load. Action is synonymous with the rods stiffness. Most decent graphite rods now have a progressive action, meaning that as load is increased the rod bends further down towards the butt rather than simply bending more in one spot. Typically fast action rods are nice in wind and distance situations because the rod allows for faster line speed (ie. it recovers faster, the loop in the line is smaller). The slower rods usually produce wider loops when casting and can be a problem in the wind.

Sorry, but I don’t agree. Line speed has nothing directly to do with rod action. Line speed is a function of the casting loop, and a soft rod is just as capable of casting a tight loop as a stiff rod. The smaller the loop, the faster the line. The cast is a wave, and like other waves, the smaller the frequency the faster the forward speed. In casting, the size of that wave (casting loop) is determined by the distance between the tip of the rod at the beginning of the forward cast and the tip of the rod at the end of the cast. Slow and fast rods can produce the same size loop by varying the length of the casting stroke. Fast rods require shorter strokes, while slow rods require long strokes. I think the misconception comes from the fact that slow rods are more easily overpowered and are more sensitive to power being applied too early. They do require a more deft touch, but they can produce the same effects on the line, but with a different casting style. Mr. Bloksberg said it quite eloquently in his post. Its not that one type is better or worse, but find the right rod for your particular casting style. What’s right for the guy down stream may not be what’s right for you. For now, as what I would consider an intermeadiate caster, I’m going to stick with my medium action rod. I do get more casting loops than I would like, but in the end I think I’ll be a better caster (if not fisherman ) for it. C. Abbott

-Dave Opincarne

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I don’t want to get nit-picky on the issue but you have to admit that given the same angler for two different rod actions; one slow and the other fast. That an angler who is not an experienced caster can after a sereral casting lessons throw a tighter loop ` with a stiff, fast rod than limber, slow rod. This is lure of that technology. I know that loop tightness is a function of line speed, but most people entering the sport are incapible of producing it with slower rods. The new rod actions are some times a crutch in this regard. Also, notice the language I used, "usually", "most of the time", I was talking more to the generalities than the absolute science of rod actions. I believe I also wrote that the person who asked the question go out and cast a few rods and not worry about techno aspects. Pardon my inarticulations, Chuck Abbott.

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Where’s Fisherman’s Paradise? Sorry, Fisherman’s Paradise is a famous stretch of Spring Creek north of State College, PA.  The state, which owns this part of the stream, manages it as a special-regulations area — catch and release/no wading. The wild fish population is very dense, no doubt due to the special regulations.  Interestingly, the special regulations are the result of some sort of chemical contamination in this part of the stream, which makes the fish unsafe to eat, but apparently does little in the way of impacting on their reproduction.

The chemical contamination was mirex and a second which I can’t remember now. The DER does testing periodically and found that the last test proved the fish would now be safe for consumption.  When this was announced the two camps (C&R , C&K) both had their say.  Obviously only one camp was going to be happy. DER decision was to keep the special regs in place since they had helped to enhance the number and quality of the fish. We still experience new contami nation rather frequently.  Factories in the area (watershed) would rather pay the fine (usually 10K) for their mess than to spend the money to avoid future spills and contamination. Bug hatches had made a comeback on the stream but many of the more fragile spec ies are gone forever.  If you get the chance, walk through the Frost Entomologi cal Museum on the Penn State campus to see what once lived on the stream. Rather sad to see what we do to the environment.  The phrase: we all live downstream rings true!!!                                  Scott Maitland

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Where’s Fisherman’s Paradise?

Sorry, Fisherman’s Paradise is a famous stretch of Spring Creek north of State College, PA.  The state, which owns this part of the stream, manages it as a special-regulations area — catch and release/no wading.  The wild fish population is very dense, no doubt due to the special regulations.  Interestingly, the special regulations are the result of some sort of chemical contamination in this part of the stream, which makes the fish unsafe to eat, but apparently does little in the way of impacting on their reproduction. andy

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I finally made it up to Fisherman’s Paradise this past weekend.  Driving down the road that leads to the park, I tried not to get my hopes up to high.  I was expecting tons of people, park officials, cars, noise, etc.  In other words, everything that a trout person loathes.  Much to my utter amazement,  Fisherman’s Paradise turned out to be everything the books say it is — clean, serene, and uncrowded.  And to top it all off, there’s even fish there — big, beautiful, wild browns.  However, these fish have no doubt seen it all.  I fished for hours (terrestrials, nymphs, etc.) trying to convince just one of these monsters to nip at my fly — nothing doing.  They just sorta looked at my little black ant, bored stiff.  Frustrating yes, but what great fun!!  Andy sez check it out!!

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I finally made it up to Fisherman’s Paradise this past weekend.

Where’s Fisherman’s Paradise?

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Parham) says: I finally made it up to Fisherman’s Paradise this past weekend. Where’s Fisherman’s Paradise?

Fisherman’s Paradise is in Central PA near State College (home of Penn State Un iversity).  It was the first flyfishing only, special regs stream in the USA. Don’t remember the exact year this was developed but it’s been around a long time.  Fly only, C&R, barbless hooks, leader length limits, no wading…. It’s not stocked but is well known for number of fish per mile.  ALso well know n for having difficult fish that have seen it all (or close to it)!!!  There are some HUGE browns swimming here but they are stubborn. More info can be found by looking it up in flyfishing books about the NE or PA if not under the Paradise name look up Spring Creek in the Central area of PA (sometimes listed as Northcentral or Southcentral depending upon the book).                                Scott Maitland (it’s my "home stream")

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I like to use spoons for Northern fishing, I have good luck with little Cleo spoons ( silver ). Johnson weedless spoons are nice for getting into the weeds. Another choice are the rattling raps. Do not fish for the Walleyes my self ( I am a transplant ). Good luck

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| I have just accepted an invitation to go to Western Ontario in July to fish | for Walleye and Northern Pike in a fly in lake close to Armstrong, Ontario. | I have never fished for those fish and would like some first hand advice on | the lures that are most productive for these fish. I have several catalogs | that have lures for these fish, but I have no idea what colors to use or | anything else. Could some of you people in MN or WI give me some advice on | what I should bring with me. One other question, I have seen several | crankbaits in those books that are advertised for Walleye. Would medium to | deep running cranks I use for bass work?   | | Ray D. Johnson – Texas Eastman Co. B1, Box 7444, Longview TX 75607 | UUCP: …{allegra,rutgers}!rochester!kodak!ektools!txtc01!s884896 | X.400 ADDRESS:    C=US A=MCI P=KODAK DDA=ID=ECDVM1.L836644   Rapalas (floating, count-down, shad-raps) in silver/black and gold/black.  A few daredevles in red/w and 5 of diamonds.  Some jigs and rigs for use with live bait like minnows and leeches.  A few plastic mr twisters or fuzzie grubs to go on the jigs.  If there are smallmouth, throw in a couple of tiny torpedos. — Del Cecchi  

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{14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. { {Stephen In our state using live minnow is illegal. What is the best bait for wallies other than a live minnow?

Nothing beats a leech. — G.

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I have found the best bait for wallies is a hook and a live minnow.  The minnow must be alive, if it’s dead so is your fishing.  Take a minnow net with you and in the early morning drag it through a weed bed and you should get plenty of minnows for the day.  I know this sounds like a pain and if you don’t do it I don’t blame you.  But take one just in case the artificials don’t do the trick and your skunked after four days.  I have a 14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. Stephen

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| { | { | {I have found the best bait for wallies is a hook and a live minnow.  The | {minnow must be alive, if it’s dead so is your fishing.  Take a minnow net | {with you and in the early morning drag it through a weed bed and you | {should get plenty of minnows for the day.  I know this sounds like a pain | {and if you don’t do it I don’t blame you.  But take one just in case the | {artificials don’t do the trick and your skunked after four days.  I have a | {14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. | { | {Stephen | | In our state using live minnow is illegal. What is the best bait for wallies | other than a live minnow? | | -GF- In the summer, leeches are better than minnows and they don’t die as fast.  They can even be mail ordered I think.  They also work great for smallmouth bass. — Del Cecchi  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – { { {I have found the best bait for wallies is a hook and a live minnow.  The {minnow must be alive, if it’s dead so is your fishing.  Take a minnow net {with you and in the early morning drag it through a weed bed and you {should get plenty of minnows for the day.  I know this sounds like a pain {and if you don’t do it I don’t blame you.  But take one just in case the {artificials don’t do the trick and your skunked after four days.  I have a {14 pound wallie on my wall caught with a little minnow on a hook. { {Stephen In our state using live minnow is illegal. What is the best bait for wallies other than a live minnow? -GF-

but is plastic, some with flavor enhancements…not sure on the flavor though…….Also, smaller plastic worms like super-do’s….get the pearl color or silver/black……caught a 5 lb walleye on the silver/black one. Good luck… — Digiboard 6400 Flying Cloud Drive Eden Prairie, MN  55344        

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have just accepted an invitation to go to Western Ontario in July to fish for Walleye and Northern Pike in a fly in lake close to Armstrong, Ontario. I have never fished for those fish and would like some first hand advice on the lures that are most productive for these fish. I have several catalogs that have lures for these fish, but I have no idea what colors to use or anything else. Could some of you people in MN or WI give me some advice on what I should bring with me. One other question, I have seen several crankbaits in those books that are advertised for Walleye. Would medium to deep running cranks I use for bass work?  

I recently went on a trip similar to the one you are planning.  My father, brother and I spent Memorial Day weekend on Lake Esnagi, Ontario.  This is a large lake north of Wawa, Ontario and is accessable only by plane.  I had never been walleye/northern pike fishing in Canada so I bought crankbaits, daredevils, steel leaders; the works.  It was a waste of $40.   The only thing you will need to catch walleye, or at least the only thing anyone at our lodge used, is 1/4 ounce jigs with a Mister Twister body and a live minnow hooked through the lips.  We caught over 100 walleye on this rig (all released).  Our guide landed an 8.5 lb. walleye on 4 lb. test line with this combo the week before we arrived.  You just work the jig along the rocks until you feel a slight tug, wait a few seconds for the fish to take the contraption into its mouth and set the hook.  Most of the fish we caught schooled up during the afternoon and started feeding around 5:00 pm.  They were all off of rocky points and in 20-40 ft. of water. As for the pike, we caught a few of them mixed in with the walleye.  The guys at the lodge claim that the smaller pike (24 – 30 in.) travel and feed with the schools of walleye.  The best way to go after the larger fish was to work shallower coves that had plenty of cover (large rocks, fallen timber) with large daredevils in red & white or five of diamonds (yellow with five red diamonds).  The weedbeds hadn’t come in when we were there, but working these areas would be productive also, according to our guide.  The other method people used to catch larger pike was to bait a large hook with smelt or perch (frozen) and use about 6 ft. of line under a bobber.  They would drift past points and in the coves with this rig and wait for the bobber to slowly move under water.  I was told that larger fish "cruise" the coves and points for baitfish and will only take bait.  This paid off for a couple guys, one of them caught a 12 pounder!  I never tried it. Enjoy your trip and good luck.

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I have just accepted an invitation to go to Western Ontario in July to fish for Walleye and Northern Pike in a fly in lake close to Armstrong, Ontario. I have never fished for those fish and would like some first hand advice on the lures that are most productive for these fish. I have several catalogs that have lures for these fish, but I have no idea what colors to use or anything else. Could some of you people in MN or WI give me some advice on what I should bring with me. One other question, I have seen several crankbaits in those books that are advertised for Walleye. Would medium to deep running cranks I use for bass work?   Ray D. Johnson – Texas Eastman Co. B1, Box 7444, Longview TX 75607 UUCP: …{allegra,rutgers}!rochester!kodak!ektools!txtc01!s884896 X.400 ADDRESS:    C=US A=MCI P=KODAK DDA=ID=ECDVM1.L836644

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