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We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof.  The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month. But with these two events closing in on the Bush administration, the falling polls, and the complicity of 9/11 getting known, may trigger another attack, and the declaration of martial law, in order to cancel the election, shut down the Internet as we know it, and to clamp down on further discussion of 9/11. Some say we are already in a partial police state,  and some say we now more everything that has been said, the Congress, the military,  the media, does nothing.  Obviously they are persuaded to do nothing. http://www.911sharethetruth.com 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB–OUR NATION IS IN PERIL       – A Call to All True Patriots –    We have actively studied the questionable nature of the official version of what happened to our nation on September 11, 2001. Throughout the first year after 9-11 we ignored and did not believe those who asked us to question the official story. Like millions of Americans we believed America had been attacked by terrorists from abroad. Sadly, we are now convinced that our government committed a vicious criminal act against its own citizens for the larger purpose of swaying us to support both domestic and foreign policies mapped out in the mid and late 1990’s. 9-11 was Hitler’s Reichstag fire of 1933 and Roosevelt’s Pearl Harbor masterfully coordinated to achieve the desired ends of an imperialistic role for America in the world, patriotic support at home and the erosion of our constitutional rights. In a nutshell, the war on terrorism is a cruel hoax by a misguided, out-of-democratic control small group of individuals sabotaging the best of American values. We are in the midst of a constitutional crisis combined with severe domination from an Orwellian corporate media knowingly or unknowingly being of service to the true powerbrokers behind the curtain. We feel like we are living in the "Matrix" where we can blend in, but knowing something is horribly wrong and must be exposed. The quality of life for all of our loved ones is at stake along with the hopes of millions of people for a world of peace, freedom and ecological sustainability. If just a few of you take the time to study a little more and become involved in the 9-11 truth movement we will be greatly appreciative. We strongly feel that people of all progressive movements should involve themselves in this effort to expose the truth about 9-11 and in the greatest push ever from the grassroots to nonviolently replace our current despotic leadership. It would have tremendous positive consequences to all of our progressive movements if similar to the fall of Nixon over Watergate that the Bush administration was exposed on this and replaced. This outrageous criminal act must be brought to justice and our freedoms restored. We need to reach out now to all those who may be willing to hear and break the silence. Go to site for posters, cassettes, buttons… http://www.911sharethetruth.com

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We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof.  The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month.

Yep, it was an inside job….the planes blew up INSIDE the buildings. Gee, you are so smart.  You are right about specially outfitted planes… aircraft slamming into the side of a building would go in just like a missle.  And correct again about the controlled demolition…those terrorists must have been really skilled to be able to CONTROL the way they demolished the buildings. By the way numbnuts, watch the footage again.  The buildings did not collapse starting from the bottom.  A controlled demolition would not have been done in the basement, but would have needed to take out at least a dozen floors with the size of the buildings and taken at least a week to plan, and implement.  I think people would have gotten just a mite suspicious with work crews cutting through the structural pilings, setting shaped charges and running primer cord throughout the buildings. The quality of the steel made back when the towers were constructed was poor compared to today.  The structural tolerance was quite low.  The intense heat would collapse the pilings.  And the weight exerted by the upper floors would and did cause the lower ones to fail, causing a cascade failure.  The only way the building would have toppled is if the lower pilings were strong enough to hold back the collapsing upper floors and deflect the path of the fall.  But, as we all saw, it did not. Cease and decist your trolling.  People are getting sick of your freakish extremist "moveon.orgism". GO AWAY!!!!     *PLONK*

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are approaching critical mass–and a dangerous time–that of sinking poll numbers for Bush, and the revelation of the proofs that the towers were hit by missles from specially outfitted planes, and the proof that the towers came down thru controlled demoliton. That’s more than enough proof.  The website http://www.letsroll911.org is ranked as among the top 25K downloaded sites on the Internet in the past month. But with these two events closing in on the Bush administration, the falling polls, and the complicity of 9/11 getting known, may trigger another attack, and the declaration of martial law, in order to cancel the election, shut down the Internet as we know it, and to clamp down on further discussion of 9/11. Some say we are already in a partial police state,  and some say we now more everything that has been said, the Congress, the military,  the media, does nothing.  Obviously they are persuaded to do nothing. Yup – and yet the media still refuses to even question the wacko bush conspriracy explanation for 9-11.  Thank gof for the net or it would truly be hopeless.

What does gof have to do with anything. — Retired military and damn proud of it.

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Yup – and yet the media still refuses to even question the wacko bush conspriracy explanation for 9-11.  Thank gof for the net or it would truly be hopeless. Indeed.  Being uncensored,

Free press would also be uncensored.                                       the net provides the ideal soapbox for every paranoid conspiracy theorist who knows how to use a keyboard.

Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Matti P.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. This is true.  Yet, just because it does not conform to my beliefs does not automatically mean that it is accurate. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. Perhaps then I should have used the full term "paranoid conspiracy theory" – addressing those ideas that attempt to explain facts that have already been explained, but in a far more bizarre and usually convoluted manner that reassures the wannabe Fox Mulder that The Truth Really Is Out There, and that THEY do not want you to know about it.  It is really only a desire on the part of the theorist to demonstrate their ability to outwit THEM, despite all the barriers THEY supposedly put in the theorists’ way.

I understood your point; just wanted to clarify terms. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Oh, by no means.  In my experience, by far the silliest theory yet put forward is by the Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs) themselves.

Please note: I said "among the silliest", not "the silliest". Matti P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is the notion that the attack on the Pentagon was carried out not by a terrorist in a hijacked 767, but by a remote-controlled drone plane or missile, packed with explosives and painted (this is priceless) in American Airlines livery to fool onlookers (who presumably cannot tell the difference between a liner and a missile or fighter), whilst the actual 767 was landed at an airport nearby having been flown OVER the Pentagon in the confusion.  The passengers were later ‘disappeared’ by the CIA. There are more holes in this ludicrous ‘explanation’ than in a standard fishing net – and yet it is passed reverently from PCT to PCT as though it is some holy gospel of truth.  In comparison to that, at least to those who have even the slightest grip on the real world, the official line, whilst perhaps open to question in some areas, seems to make far more sense. — Midjis

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which does not mean that everything on the net or in ng’s that does not conform to your beliefs is conspiracy theory. This is true.  Yet, just because it does not conform to my beliefs does not automatically mean that it is accurate. Expressions like "conspiracy theory" appeal to the irrational side of people, and so serve only to cloud the issues. The official story of 9/11 is also a conspiracy theory: several people conspired to execute the attacks; and the story is no more than a theory because there is only precious little evidence to support it. Perhaps then I should have used the full term "paranoid conspiracy theory" – addressing those ideas that attempt to explain facts that have already been explained, but in a far more bizarre and usually convoluted manner that reassures the wannabe Fox Mulder that The Truth Really Is Out There, and that THEY do not want you to know about it.  It is really only a desire on the part of the theorist to demonstrate their ability to outwit THEM, despite all the barriers THEY supposedly put in the theorists’ way. And of all the conspiracy theories so far presented, the official story is among the silliest. Oh, by no means.  In my experience, by far the silliest theory yet put forward is by the Paranoid Conspiracy Theorists (PCTs) themselves.  This is the notion that the attack on the Pentagon was carried out not by a terrorist in a hijacked 767, but by a remote-controlled drone plane or missile, packed with explosives and painted (this is priceless) in American Airlines livery to fool onlookers (who presumably cannot tell the difference between a liner and a missile or fighter), whilst the actual 767 was landed at an airport nearby having been flown OVER the Pentagon in the confusion.  The passengers were later ‘disappeared’ by the CIA. There are more holes in this ludicrous ‘explanation’ than in a standard fishing net – and yet it is passed reverently from PCT to PCT as though it is some holy gospel of truth.  In comparison to that, at least to those who have even the slightest grip on the real world, the official line, whilst perhaps open to question in some areas, seems to make far more sense. — Midjis

But there is conclusive physical evidence that no 767 hit the Pentagon, in fact no evidence of fusilage of any plane found.. The fact that two, one piece that does not match photographed on the lawn points to conspiracy. There was no American Airlines flight 77 scheduled to fly that day. There is conclusive physical evididence that no  passenger jet plane hit the 1st tower or penetrated it. {The film shown shown the following day  9/12, was  crudely edited.  You can see it by looking for the evidence "first plane")  There is only three small holes in the building, none greater that a few feet. There was no American Airlines flight 11 scheduled to fly that day.  What few eye witnesses say a very small plane, holding no more than 10-12 seats, or "a missle with wings".  Check out the examination of that flight and the photos  on thewebfairy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The sheer volume of web articles devoted to the idea that there is ‘conclusive physical evidence’ of anything of the sort is absolutely staggering.  Particularly since there is no such evidence. Patently false. Yes, it is easy to say that, is it not?  But I would be interested to see you provide some of this supposed evidence – and try to do slightly better than the photos you directed me to in the other thread. — Midjis ~~ ama semper quisquis noces

Blow me.

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The sheer volume of web articles devoted to the idea that there is ‘conclusive physical evidence’ of anything of the sort is absolutely staggering.  Particularly since there is no such evidence. Patently false. Yes, it is easy to say that, is it not?  But I would be interested to see you provide some of this supposed evidence – and try to do slightly better than the photos you directed me to in the other thread.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img006/sweetdeal_title.jpg This one doesn’t NECCESARILY prove anything, other than that a KC-767 prototype did in fact exist, but it’s very telling nevertheless. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Midjis ~~ ama semper quisquis noces

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I am planning to buy a kayak for flyfishing small lakes and ponds……need information on stability, size and type.

Hi all, for small lakes and ponds you might want to consider a solo canoe. I own a Mohawk solo 14 and I’m very pleased with it. Here are some things to think about that might help. Mohawk has a nice kayak style two piece paddle that works very well with this canoe – it makes the canoe pure joy to paddle and after you get to where you are headed you can take it apart and have a normal canoe paddle for getting past tight spots. The solo canoe draws very little water (about 1 inch) and can glide over logs, sandbars and weeds – a big plus for Florida! It is surprising fast, I have a GPS and have found I can maintain about 4 MPH at a 1/2 hour pace and can sprint up to 5.5 MPH for a short bit – very helpful when trying to get past a bridge with a lot of current. It is very light – less then 40 LBs and is very easy to car top and portage. I often carry it over head without a yoke two blocks to the local lake with no problems. The canoe is completely open and has easy to access storage. On the down side, because it is open you have to be careful in larger lakes and flats – large boat wake and or heavy chop could swamp the canoe. A kayak would be much better for rough water. It is very tippy, forget about standing up! All casting must be done sitting down. I have found this is not too much of a problem and has helped made me improve my casting. Because the boat is so light and draws little water the wind really moves it around. This can be an advantage as some of the best days I have had were drifting the flats on a light wind. It is amazing what you can sneak up on when making no sound. When the wind picks up a light anchor tied to the transom with cheap (floating) rope will put your back to the wind and make for some great downwind casting. When you want to move simply paddle backwards a few strokes and the floating rope with come up on the side and you will be able to pull it in with out turning around or getting up out of the seat. I hope this helps, Dale — Dale Coleman

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How about this?   http://www.tribalance.com/tribalance.htm Chris "Padishar Creel" Fanning

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Or this: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~rbear/yak.html Micro Poke Boat. I’ve built a pack frame to carry it in to wilderness lakes in the Cascades, Shown spin fishing, but also good for fly. Very stable. I’ve built a rod holder that sits between my knees, use a 9′ combo rod with the reel seat seven inches from the butt, very good for trolling streamers and nymphs, and the whole boat is my shooting basket. I also have a Wilderness Systems Critter, and have seen Pungos, Mallards, etc. used this way, but I like the Poke best because it weighs so much less and the high freeboard is good wind protection in rough weather. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How about this? http://www.tribalance.com/tribalance.htm Chris "Padishar Creel" Fanning

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http://www.kayaker.com/products/boats/boat.asp?type=recreational&ID=30 john

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here’s a link to an article discussing kayak fishing with some good pointers… <http://www.stripersurf.com/kayaks101.html — so much fishing, so little time — –please remuv the ‘NOWAY2it’ from my email addy to email me–

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I, too, have an Ocean Kayak Ambush.  They are considerably more stable than a canoe, even.  I have both.  The Ambush is big enough for two and has a removable second seat.  Lots of storage space.  It is big and heavy, but more maneuverable and speedy than a canoe.  It also has a trolling motor mount molded into the design.  I have used it as well.  With a 17 lbs. thrust motor, it really boogies across the creeks and lakes. Now for the spam.  I wanted one of these kayaks for years and could not find one.  Then one of my clients requested a few Ocean Kayaks for a promotion they were doing.  Once I started researching, I found out that one of the companies I rep is Johnson Outdoor, who owns Ocean Kayak.  Duh.  Okay, so I can sell you one straight from the factory and have it shipped anywhere in the continental U.S. If you are interested, let me know and I’ll put together a price.  We could even do it through ebay if you wish. Scott P.S.  That was not too "spammy" was it?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve paddled the Ambush by Ocean Kayak, and found it to be a very stable boat…I couldn’t flip this one if I wanted too.  It’s a heavy boat, though, and may be a bit much for one person to haul to and from the water.  I have no financial interest in Ocean Kayak, and having said that here’s a link to the Ambush.( http://www.oceankayak.com/products/ambush.html ) HTH. Cheers, Bill I am planning to buy a kayak for flyfishing small lakes and ponds……need information on stability, size and type.

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just keep in mind the weight for both stability and ease of transport. A plus on stability and a negative on the latter. — so much fishing, so little time — –please remuv the ‘NOWAY2it’ from my email addy to email me–

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I am planning to buy a kayak for flyfishing small lakes and ponds……need information on stability, size and type.

I have a couple of kayaks I fish out of. I mainly fish salt water flats but I have fished for striper in GA Lake Lanier. I read the mentions of the Ride. Good little yak but it is slow to paddle. Not sure which Ocean Kayak model you are looking at. There are several great paddle fishing sites on the web. Most are focused on salt water. However, tips on choosing a kayak are going to be the same with a few differences for lake fishing. If you are going to be flyfishing from a yak the absolute in stability is the Tribalance. It has outriggers and will NOT flip. You CAN fall out of it though. It also has advantages of being a sit it that you can sit ON as well. The cockpit then becomes a handy stripping basket. Also nice it you fish in colder climates to get out of the wind. I have a full review on my site http://flatsfisher.com and the same review and other information is available on the salt water oriented http://paddle-fishing.com The direct site for Tribalance is here http://www.tribalance.com/ I personally liked my Tri but could not keep up with some of the other boats and it needs the rudder in py opinion in the open water or it tracks funny at times. I replaced it with a Hobie Outback that uses a pedal system rather than paddling. It is stable enough to stand in but I would not think it ideal for all the motion involved in fly casting(at least the way I do it <g) You will have a price premium on the Tribalance as well; new close to $900 compared to a new Ride at about $600. good luck, atljoe

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I am planning to buy a kayak for flyfishing small lakes and ponds……need information on stability, size and type.

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I am planning to buy a kayak for flyfishing small lakes and ponds……need information on stability, size and type.

This one has been recommended to me: http://www.wildernesssystems.com/kayaks/boats/therideangler_a.html This is the only one i’ve seen where you able to stand up in…..well i’m sure you could stand in other models, but ya might get wet. ….hmmm, is there a term for a Full Reid in a kayak? brians

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This one has been recommended to me: http://www.wildernesssystems.com/kayaks/boats/therideangler_a.html

I have two Rides (not the ‘angler’, I added the rod holders and anchor myself) and they are great for fishing. I don’t stand up in mine to fish, but have tried it and it can be done. — Charlie…

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….hmmm, is there a term for a Full Reid in a kayak?

Absolutely.  That would be known  as the "Mason Flip," and there are several variations. Cheers, Bill (Mason) (Mostly upright, seldom dry)

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I’ve paddled the Ambush by Ocean Kayak, and found it to be a very stable boat…I couldn’t flip this one if I wanted too.  It’s a heavy boat, though, and may be a bit much for one person to haul to and from the water.  I have no financial interest in Ocean Kayak, and having said that here’s a link to the Ambush.( http://www.oceankayak.com/products/ambush.html ) HTH. Cheers, Bill

I am planning to buy a kayak for flyfishing small lakes and ponds……need

information on stability, size and type.

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I am planning to buy a kayak for flyfishing small lakes and ponds……need information on stability, size and type. If you are interested in a Sit Inside kayak take a look at the Pungo by Wilderness System. Nice and stable, a super comfy adjustable seat and a huge cockpit opening. Best thing would be to narrow down your list then go to a shop and test paddle the models that interest you. It’s just like buying a flyrod, test it locally then make your decision. One size doesnt fit all. good luck, Walter

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Steve, I have a set of Hodgman neoprene waders and wading boots and they work fine for me.  The only problem I have with them is that I sweat like a pig in them.  I cannot wear any clothes under them that I plan on wearing later as they get soaked.  I just returned from the Pit, McCloud and Burney creek and did not feel cold in the waders at all. Just my $.02, Dustin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

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Personally, I doubt if I could get more than 3 seasons out of a pair of waders no mater who made them. Having used all varieties, I am sold on breathables for all weather conditions until it is warm enough to wade wet. In winter (you know, snow and ice) I stay warmer in breathables…. Does anyone get more than 3 seasons?….. john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

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"asadi" < Personally, I doubt if I could get more than 3 seasons out of a pair of waders no mater who made them. Having used all varieties, I am sold on breathables for all weather conditions until it is warm enough to wade wet. In winter (you know, snow and ice) I stay warmer in breathables…. Does anyone get more than 3 seasons?….. john

I got a whole season out of a pair of breathables last year and they have three holes patched. They may get me through this coming one as well. I would presume I do a lot more hours on the water than most, wouldn’t know how to work out what that equates too, but it would be at least three seasons I’m guessing. Clark

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I’m 2/3 thru year 4 on my Simms Guide boots and waders. Never applied a patch to the waders and the boots look pretty spiffy considering. My trick is that I hose down my gear every time I fish and then hang it up to dry. This may sound a little obsessive, but I do the same with my fly lines and rods/reels and they’re as nice as the day I bot them. Also, it pays to be careful when putting on your waders and boots not to track sand and gravel on your feet. These are hell on wader feet. IMHO. -bh Boulder, CO

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Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

I am hardly new to flyfishing but use similiar waders myself. Also have cheaper model Hodgman boots. After using rubber/canvas and then neoprene waders this style seemed quite nice and light. I think its a good deal. Breathable waders are probably more comfortable but from all the complaints I’ve seen here concerning the cheaper ones it seems that you are looking at at least 200 bucks to get a good pair. A little steep for my taste, but of course I AM cheap (admitting you have a problem etc. etc. etc.). Geo.C.

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I have a pair of hodgeman breathables, I can’t recall what model off the top of my head but I paid about 150 for them three years ago. I do allot of walking through brush to get to water and keep them in my car trunk all summer long on 90+ degree days witch can’t really be good for them, but they have yet to spring a leak and are very comfortable. I also bought there cheaper canvas felt sole wading boots. It ran me 200 total but for the abuse I put them through I think it was a good investment. I had some cheap rubber waders that were beyond uncomfortable and sprung a leak after a few trips crawling through the bushes on the edge of a stream(gota be stealthy some times, people give me silly looks when they see me crawling around in waders with a fly rod). So in the long run I think it’s worth spending on one good set then buying 4 or 5 bad ones through the years. Well that’s my 2 cents, well more like 5 Tim Apple

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Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

I found the nylon non-breathable Wadelites. Personally, I think these would be rather warm and uncomfortable. But then I’m "big-boned" <g and perspire a lot anyway. — TL, Tim

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I purchased a pair of the bantam weight hippers and a pair of the bantam weight chest waders from their outlet store and used the hip waders this summer.     I now know why breatheables are so popular but other than perspiring quite a bit, the waders worked great.   held up pretty good during a week-long trip, no leaks, etc.    I don’t know about the boots, had a pair of 11 yo hodgman boots that worked ok. so, I thought for $50, i got a pretty good deal on the waders, i don’t get to fish much, but now have all waters covered… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

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Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

It depends on how much you fish, and what type of fishing you do. If you’re going to be doing some small mountain creeks or upper lakes, then these are probably NG. I have a pair of Cabelas non-breathable cheap waders which are fine (with or without underlying insulation…depending on season) for late fall/winter/early spring (late spring for the ocean) fishing around here.  Once the weather warms up, I don’t use full waders, I either use hip boots, or wet-wade, with a couple of exceptions. When I’ve gone up to some of the bigger water (Ausable, West Branch of the Delaware) I could really have used the breathables. So, the answer is "it depends". — Rob

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Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

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Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

The Wadelite models are all breathable, according to their website. I’ve got a pair of the felt-sole Caster boots, and they’re decent for a starter set, although the felt is two-piece with the shank uncovered. This can sometimes cause stumbling problems if you’re not careful because the heel catches on rocks. — TL, Tim

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Greetings from Northern California.  In shopping for my first pair of waders (I’m new to fly fishing) I came across the Hodgman closeout site.  The have Wadelite non-breathable waders, suspenders, and Caster Boots for the low price of $49.99.  Is this a deal or am I just pissing away Fifty Bucks?

Don’t know anything about the boots, but I bought the same waders for a quite a bit more money four years ago and they haven’t let me down yet. Sounds like a good deal to me. Wolfgang

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Very exciting.  One of the best. Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England.  Has it been there long? Originally the Boston Patriots, I believe they were one of the original AFL teams, in the late 60’s.

Sheesh. You and George need a smiley every time? JR

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Sheesh. You and George need a smiley every time?

There was an implied smily on my reply. {;-) George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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And about time all the hype about how bad the Rams were going to beat the snots out of New England. I had faith in New England all along. Now we are singing that Queen song We Are The Champions. Just think if one had put a $1000  wager on New England in Vegas at odds of 75 to 1. I could buy that Hardy reel and Winston rod even if they are overpriced.       Handyman         Mike Handyman   Mike

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Sheesh. You and George need a smiley every time? There was an implied smily on my reply. {;-)

Shoulda seen it.  Guess I thought "only since 1960," from someone probably also a Red Sox fan, could have been serious.  :) JR

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John, your email addy keeps bouncing back to me. If it’s munged in some way please let me know. Now that I have your attention, this is an FYI that was sent to all the other fly swappers: I’m leaving at oh-dark-thirty tomorrow for Tampa, Florida. This is strictly a business trip so no fishing (dammit)  I will be back at the keyboard to answer all questions, complaints (wait a minute, I don’t take complaints) by Sat morning. Should your flies arrive in my absence I will acknowledge that upon my return. If you need my address, let me know now and send me a good email addy for you. Ye Olde Tired Gray Swapmeister

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – John Russell, your email addy keeps bouncing back to me. If it’s munged in some way please let me know. Now that I have your attention, this is an FYI that was sent to all the other fly swappers: I’m leaving at oh-dark-thirty tomorrow for Tampa, Florida. This is strictly a business trip so no fishing (dammit)  I will be back at the keyboard to answer all questions, complaints (wait a minute, I don’t take complaints) by Sat morning. Should your flies arrive in my absence I will acknowledge that upon my return. If you need my address, let me know now and send me a good email addy for you. Ye Olde Tired Gray Swapmeister

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one for the books, Stan! Had to go to New England and see it in proper style, among good friends. Couldn’t have written a better script, nor a finer tribute to "team sports"                          Tom

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one for the books, Stan! Had to go to New England and see it in proper style, among good friends. Couldn’t have written a better script, nor a finer tribute to "team sports"                          Tom

Cheers for NE, but I’ll always think Bellicek is a stiff.  I truly believe that Modell hired him to drive the Browns into the ground to quell the uproar when he announced they were leaving. Scott What, me pass on a conspiracy theory??  Never!!

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’nuff said.

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’nuff said.

Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England.  Has it been there long?   Congratulations, all you Back Easters. JR

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Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England.  Has it been there long?  

No, only since 1960. Congratulations, all you Back Easters.

Thank you. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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’nuff said. Hmm, you know, I’m not sure I ever knew there WAS a professional football team in New England.  Has it been there long?  

Originally the Boston Patriots, I believe they were one of the original AFL teams, in the late 60’s. Congratulations, all you Back Easters.

On behalf of the guys that deserve it, thank you. In the last week the local media had the whole New England area cranked to within a few points of a mass aneurism. In truth, just getting to the Superbowl was more than we could have hoped for, but to have this team pull off a stunning three game series of upsets was just amazingly exciting. These guys demonstrably brought all the best to the word "team". A class act, they deserve everything they got. Good for ‘em! /daytripper (Stayin’ up late with ESPN

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Hey, this is a "Catch & Release" newsgroup…                            - jqt –

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Well said, and moderate yesiree. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Remove me from your mailing list you forgot to say please. for that little faux-paus, you have to grovel here by posting: "oh pretty please, please for god’s sake, let me please be removed from this list" hourly, for three more weeks. sorry, it’s the facs maam. waldo, snedekerated appointed facs bastard.

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You did it again Wayne.  You used up all of the on topic subjects, now we only have off topic subjects to talk about. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Remove me from your mailing list Wayne Harrison wrote no, wait, stop!  don’t leave!  we can do better, i swear! we’ll stay on topic, honest to god!  please, wait…listen, how about this:  um, let’s see…oh, yeah:  7.5 foot rods are great for eastern freestone streams of average size; i like thomas & thomas, but that’s because i’m a very wealthy gear whore—you can get great, all-american type bargains at cabela’s.  remember to use a 9′5wt on those big, brawling western rivers, though.  oh, yeah, if you’re looking for a tip on where to go, try the beaverkill in new york, the madison or the yellowstone in montana, the south platte in colorado…ok, here’s a *real* inside tip:  go to the confluence of the frying pan and the roaring fork in colorado; a great guide lives there, in a shiny new house.  he let’s people stay for free.  oh, if you don’t know how to cast very well, always remember to keep your wrist firm, and don’t overpower the rod, ok?  hey, if you get all frustrated about your choice of fly your first time out on the battenkill, just slip an improved clinch (tied with an orvis leader) around that trusty ol royal wulff (size 14 is *unbeatable*) and hold on, pard!  and, heck, if you don’t haul em in by the dozens, what’s to worry:  i mean, it is "fishing", not "catching", right (pretty funny, eh?), and the whole point is to just be closer to nature or give a kid a chance to fish or be with god in your own special way or… did anybody ever tell you that you snore terribly? wayno, on topic, do or die.

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        no, wait, stop!  don’t leave!  we can do better, i swear! we’ll stay on topic, honest to god!  please, wait…listen, how about this:  um, let’s see…oh, yeah:  7.5 foot rods are great for eastern freestone streams of average size; i like thomas & thomas, but that’s because i’m a very wealthy gear whore—you can get great, all-american type bargains at cabela’s.  remember to use a 9′5wt on those big, brawling western rivers, though.  oh, yeah, if you’re looking for a tip on where to go, try the beaverkill in new york, the madison or the yellowstone in montana, the south platte in colorado…ok, here’s a *real* inside tip:  go to the confluence of the frying pan and the roaring fork in colorado; a great guide lives there, in a shiny new house.  he let’s people stay for free.  oh, if you don’t know how to cast very well, always remember to keep your wrist firm, and don’t overpower the rod, ok?  hey, if you get all frustrated about your choice of fly your first time out on the battenkill, just slip an improved clinch (tied with an orvis leader) around that trusty ol royal wulff (size 14 is *unbeatable*) and hold on, pard!  and, heck, if you don’t haul em in by the dozens, what’s to worry:  i mean, it is "fishing", not "catching", right (pretty funny, eh?), and the whole point is to just be closer to nature or give a kid a chance to fish or be with god in your own special way or…         did anybody ever tell you that you snore terribly? wayno, on topic, do or die.

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You are hearby transferred to the mailing list of alt.flyfishingvampires.flonk.flonk.flonk!! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wayno That was goooooooooooooooooood. Almost poetic. I see an opportunity as a Wallmart greeter. My hero. Dave PS Maybe need a line on how to dress and perhaps something about how now that they are retired from mid management they can’t expect others to coddle them. Remove me from your mailing list no, wait, stop!  don’t leave!  we can do better, i swear! we’ll stay on topic, honest to god!  please, wait…listen, how about this:  um, let’s see…oh, yeah:  7.5 foot rods are great for eastern freestone streams of average size; i like thomas & thomas, but that’s because i’m a very wealthy gear whore—you can get great, all-american type bargains at cabela’s.  remember to use a 9′5wt on those big, brawling western rivers, though.  oh, yeah, if you’re looking for a tip on where to go, try the beaverkill in new york, the madison or the yellowstone in montana, the south platte in colorado…ok, here’s a *real* inside tip:  go to the confluence of the frying pan and the roaring fork in colorado; a great guide lives there, in a shiny new house.  he let’s people stay for free.  oh, if you don’t know how to cast very well, always remember to keep your wrist firm, and don’t overpower the rod, ok?  hey, if you get all frustrated about your choice of fly your first time out on the battenkill, just slip an improved clinch (tied with an orvis leader) around that trusty ol royal wulff (size 14 is *unbeatable*) and hold on, pard!  and, heck, if you don’t haul em in by the dozens, what’s to worry:  i mean, it is "fishing", not "catching", right (pretty funny, eh?), and the whole point is to just be closer to nature or give a kid a chance to fish or be with god in your own special way or… did anybody ever tell you that you snore terribly? wayno, on topic, do or die.

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mraz says: remove me from your mailing iist

Actually, mraz, you are not subscribed to a mailing list.  This is a newsgroup.  YOU have to unsubscribe yourself.  No one at Rec. Outdoors. Fishing. Fly (ROFF) can unsubscribe you.  I know how to do it with my isp, but not with your’s.  Do you have a window that that says "Remove" or perhaps "Quit"? Highlight roff and click on Remove or whatever and you should be unsubscribed. good luck. Dave L.

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True, but it wouldn’t have been as much fun. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – remove me from your mailing iist Jeff Cook wrote Okay, stop torturing the guy. <snip By the way, a simple question or polite request would have been much less noisy. Jeff Cook

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remove me from your mailing iist Before you buy.

I don’t know how to break this to ya bud, but you subscribed yourself and only you can unsubscribe.  Perhaps you should use the Help feature in your email/news client and put in the word "subscribe" in the help search.   Don’t blame us if you don’t know how to use your newsreader. Peter

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<snipped some helpful advice Please hold, an analysts will be with you shortly. <elevator music

actually Insid….doesn’t roff employs a proctologist for unsubscribing the az’s… jeff (avoiding the endoscope and proctoscope, and enjoyin the sh*t outta        roff)

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I say we hold him hostage and stake him out for the meowers…

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Okay, stop torturing the guy. This is not a mailing list, it is a newsgroup. You are not subscribed to anything, but are actively asking for these messages to be displayed. Ask your internet provider or read the help files of your newsgroup reader software or your my-deja.com service to figure out how to drop rec.outdoors.fly.fishing from your active newsgroup list so you won’t be distracted by it anymore. By the way, a simple question or polite request would have been much less noisy. — Jeff Cook http://www.cookstudios.com Washington DC area

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good luck.

There should be instructions on deja.com on how to do this, it’s not an ISP issue unless you are accessing through a news server as opposed to a web site. — Charlie…

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        i have come to the terrifying conclusion that this goddam place is the hotel california, without the "champagne on ice", and all the other perks.

ROFLMAO! bc.

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Pardon me, could you please repeat that?

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But you haven’t even asked for the address to send the unsubscribe fee.  It takes an incredible number of man-hours to unsubscride someone from this end, and we need to pass the costs onto the person requesting an emergency unsubscription. Now, it may cost you extra, as the ROFF tech staff is not sure where we keep the "iists" for mailing. Please hold, an analysts will be with you shortly. <elevator music

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I say we hold him hostage and stake him out for the meowers…

Let’s stake him out and give him a good flonking! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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I was extremely disappointed to find that you made no mention of what breathable waders he should buy. –Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – no, wait, stop!  don’t leave!  we can do better, i swear! we’ll stay on topic, honest to god!  please, wait…listen, how about this:  um, let’s see…oh, yeah:  7.5 foot rods are great for eastern freestone streams of average size; i like thomas & thomas, but that’s because i’m a very wealthy gear whore—you can get great, all-american type bargains at cabela’s.  MORE GREAT STUFF DELETED wayno, on topic, do or die.

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OK, I give up.  Whence cometh this overwhelming need to be abused in a public forum?  Would the Flagellants not accept you?  Have you been so naughty that you feel no punishment is strong enough?  What….WHAT on this Earth compels one to so obviously and abjectly come begging for a beating?

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Remove me from your mailing list Wolfgang replied OK, I give up.  Whence cometh this overwhelming need to be abused in a public forum?  Would the Flagellants not accept you?  Have you been so naughty that you feel no punishment is strong enough?  What….WHAT on this Earth compels one to so obviously and abjectly come begging for a beating?

Add him to the femailing list. Ernie

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Good luck. I have been trying to unsubscribe for 5 years. I have finally determined this NG is the ultimate virus that even my Norton Super Virus Killer cannot kill.

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Good luck. I have been trying to unsubscribe for 5 years. I have finally determined this NG is the ultimate virus that even my Norton Super Virus Killer cannot kill.

        i have come to the terrifying conclusion that this goddam place is the hotel california, without the "champagne on ice", and all the other perks.         wayno, who is…afraid

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you forgot to say please. for that little faux-paus, you have to grovel here by posting: "oh pretty please, please for god’s sake, let me please be removed from this list" hourly, for three more weeks. sorry, it’s the facs maam. waldo, snedekerated appointed facs bastard.

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Wayno That was goooooooooooooooooood. Almost poetic. I see an opportunity as a Wallmart greeter. My hero. Dave PS Maybe need a line on how to dress and perhaps something about how now that they are retired from mid management they can’t expect others to coddle them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Remove me from your mailing list no, wait, stop!  don’t leave!  we can do better, i swear! we’ll stay on topic, honest to god!  please, wait…listen, how about this:  um, let’s see…oh, yeah:  7.5 foot rods are great for eastern freestone streams of average size; i like thomas & thomas, but that’s because i’m a very wealthy gear whore—you can get great, all-american type bargains at cabela’s.  remember to use a 9′5wt on those big, brawling western rivers, though.  oh, yeah, if you’re looking for a tip on where to go, try the beaverkill in new york, the madison or the yellowstone in montana, the south platte in colorado…ok, here’s a *real* inside tip:  go to the confluence of the frying pan and the roaring fork in colorado; a great guide lives there, in a shiny new house.  he let’s people stay for free.  oh, if you don’t know how to cast very well, always remember to keep your wrist firm, and don’t overpower the rod, ok?  hey, if you get all frustrated about your choice of fly your first time out on the battenkill, just slip an improved clinch (tied with an orvis leader) around that trusty ol royal wulff (size 14 is *unbeatable*) and hold on, pard!  and, heck, if you don’t haul em in by the dozens, what’s to worry:  i mean, it is "fishing", not "catching", right (pretty funny, eh?), and the whole point is to just be closer to nature or give a kid a chance to fish or be with god in your own special way or… did anybody ever tell you that you snore terribly? wayno, on topic, do or die.

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Yes and no. ) Frank (it ain’t me in Elkhart) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The good Senator and I were not related and didn’t share the same politics either. Of course that’s JUST what we could expect you to say under the circumstances! Got any ID bub?  Would you agree to a DNA analysis?    

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This post was posted to a UK fishing group.  I thought it might interest some of you.  I am sure the original posters will not mind me copying it, as I have corresponded with them both in the past. TL MC I realize this is a bit off-topic, but my daughter saw this and asked me to ask ‘the nice British fisherman’ about it. The Canadian News has picked up a story about a journalist who was literally branded by the "ALF" (Animal Liberation Front?) . Is this true? Are these the same nutters who attack fisherman and throw bricks at their floats, smash their rods, etc? If they are, it’s very chilling. It’s one thing to disagree. Another to actually take hot iron to a man’s back for disagreeing.

Peter, Sadly it’s true The journalist in question had written, exposing some of the more extremist members of the ALF.  He was kidnapped and held in fear of his life.  Hooded with a hesian sack, he expected execution.  When he felt the pain, and smelled the burning flesh, he realised he had been branded.  A.L.-F across his back in very large letters.  I guess that the perpetuators felt that this was only a small payback for the pain and suffering caused daily to animals in laboratories etc.  Sick, sick, sick and twisted people The extremists in the Animals Rights and Anti-angling circles tend to be the same small group of people, surrounded both by harmless nutters and well-meaning (we would think misguided) people.

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Anbody wishing to see the original article: Click on the following link and then ‘Britain’: http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/Times/frontpage.html?999 The article is about a quarter of the way down the page. TL MC

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This post was posted to a UK fishing group.  I thought it might interest some of you.  I am sure the original posters will not mind me copying it, as I have corresponded with them both in the past. TL MC

ALF is a terrorist group, no debate about it.  I find if utterly shocking that these people seem to think that animals are equal or more important than humans.  I can’t imagine where these people get their convictions, but they can’t possibly be healthy, IMO. — Levi Always do sober what you said you’d do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut. –Ernest Hemingway

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ALF is a terrorist group, no debate about it.  I find if utterly shocking that these people seem to think that animals are equal or more important than humans.  I can’t imagine where these people get their convictions, but they can’t possibly be healthy, IMO.

You don’t suppose that they take into account man’s inhumanity to man on this planet and have decided animals act better towards each other?  You know the old saying, "The more I know about people the more I love my cat/dog/sheep/etc etc."  That same feeling creeps up on me more and more often these days. Frank (stirring the pot in Elkhart) Church

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You don’t suppose that they take into account man’s inhumanity to man on this planet and have decided animals act better towards each other?  You know the old saying, "The more I know about people the more I love my cat/dog/sheep/etc etc."  That same feeling creeps up on me more and more often these days. Frank (stirring the pot in Elkhart) Church

Your ommission of Louie LaPlac’s goat, affectionately known as Mildred, will be noted as the insult it is. Mark Faulkner

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Louie, please relay my apologies to Mildred as I would never intentionally insult someone who is obviously adored by you.  Sorry. (think that’ll do it Mark?) Frank (goatbreath) Church – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t suppose that they take into account man’s inhumanity to man on this planet and have decided animals act better towards each other?  You know the old saying, "The more I know about people the more I love my cat/dog/sheep/etc etc."  That same feeling creeps up on me more and more often these days. Frank (stirring the pot in Elkhart) Church Your ommission of Louie LaPlac’s goat, affectionately known as Mildred, will be noted as the insult it is. Mark Faulkner

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Don’t some animals eat their young?  I am also waiting for some Animal Rights Activist to show me a hospital built by animals. Weren’t you a Senator from Idaho before you died? DP – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ALF is a terrorist group, no debate about it.  I find if utterly shocking that these people seem to think that animals are equal or more important than humans.  I can’t imagine where these people get their convictions, but they can’t possibly be healthy, IMO. You don’t suppose that they take into account man’s inhumanity to man on this planet and have decided animals act better towards each other?  You know the old saying, "The more I know about people the more I love my cat/dog/sheep/etc etc."  That same feeling creeps up on me more and more often these days. Frank (stirring the pot in Elkhart) Church

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You don’t suppose that they take into account man’s inhumanity to man on this planet and have decided animals act better towards each other?  You know the old saying, "The more I know about people the more I love my cat/dog/sheep/etc etc. That same feeling creeps up on me more and more often these days.

I guess the fact that many animals routinely kill and eat other animals for sustenance, (sometimes including the young of their own species), doesn’t enter into the equation. George "turning up the fire a notch" Adams

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Don’t some animals eat their young?

Yes, some animals do eat their young, sows can lay on their piglets and suffocate most or all of them, a tomcat will kill every kitten in the litter if he can whup mama cat first, and on and on, but that’s nature’s way, in no way can it be equated with with mans actions.  Screw PETA, ALF and all the rest of these wackos. Weren’t you a Senator from Idaho before you died?

I see you remember Senator Frank Church of Idaho.  Evidently he wasn’t too popular in some quarters in Idaho.  One time I stopped for gas in a small town there, gave the guy my credit card, whereupon after seeing the name on the card, gave me a squinty-eyed look and asked, "are you related to Senator Frank Church?"  I’m not, and said so, but might have denied it in any case as he looked ready to dump sugar in my gas tank or some other dastardly deed.  The good Senator and I were not related and didn’t share the same politics either.

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Absolutely not George, as I stated in an earlier post, equating the animal kingdom which operates on inborn instinct to do what is necessary to survive, to "man" is bogus.  Ascribing human traits to animals is a mistake. So if a tomcat kills the litter of kittens he finds, we are horrified.  But he does that for a reason…..he is "offing" future competition for breeding the available female cats.  But if humans do that, it is mass murder.  The two don’t equate at any level.  My favorite pussy cat, who purrs on my lap and nuzzles me, and makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, will sneak out in the yard and try to kill a bird….she is living in two worlds, ours and hers. If I catch her eating a bird do I beat the shit out of her…no way.  I recognize she still has that hunter instinct of her breed.  We, on the other hand, are supposed to be "civilized," whatever the hell that means in this day and age. Frank (trying to piss on George’s fire) Church

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Ascribing human traits to animals is a mistake.

Frank, I guess I misunderstood your your post, because I thought that was exactly what you were doing. (i.e. "good" animals vs. "bad" humans) Animals are niether good nor bad…..they are just animals. A rattlesnake can kill you, and a dog can be your faithful companion for many years, but is the dog "better" than the rattlesnake? I don’t think so….they are what they are. Humans are subject to many failings, and because we have free will we can be held accountable for our actions, and judged by our peers to be good or bad. As more people populate the earth, we will see more of the bad, especially since the media will show it to us at every opportunity.  On the whole, are animals "better" than humans? I say no. George Adams

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I see you remember Senator Frank Church of Idaho.  Evidently he wasn’t too popular in some quarters in Idaho.  One time I stopped for gas in a small town there, gave the guy my credit card, whereupon after seeing the name on the card, gave me a squinty-eyed look and asked, "are you related to Senator Frank Church?"  I’m not, and said so, but might have denied it in any case as he looked ready to dump sugar in my gas tank or some other dastardly deed.  The good Senator and I were not related and didn’t share the same politics either.

Sen. Frank Church was one of the all-time great national figures. He did more for conservation anyone else in politics I can think of, with the possible exception of Teddy Rooseveldt. The Frank Church Wilderness in Idaho is named after him. It’s spectacular, enclosing the finest wilderness river in the lower 48 — the Middle Fork of the Salmon. I’m just sickened by the cast of disreputable characters that have taken over Idaho politics at the national level. I miss you, Frank, and I miss Sen.Chafee of Rhode Island, a Republican who wasn’t afraid to stand up for the public interest. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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You’re right of course, and Sen. Church should have been recognized with having a wilderness area named in his honor, at the least.  I didn’t mean to denigrate him, and hope you didn’t take it that way.  

Of course I didn’t, Frank. I’m sorry to have implied that. The FCWA is some spectacular country that I’d love to see up close and personal, like say, astride a horse on a pack-in flyfishing trip.

What you have to do is to take a week-long raft trip down the Middle Fork. There are other ways to see this country, but a raft (or drift boat) trip is the best. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I see you remember Senator Frank Church of Idaho.  Evidently he wasn’t too popular in some quarters in Idaho.  One time I stopped for gas in a small town there, gave the guy my credit card, whereupon after seeing the name on the card, gave me a squinty-eyed look and asked, "are you related to Senator Frank Church?"  I’m not, and said so, but might have denied it in any case as he looked ready to dump sugar in my gas tank or some other dastardly deed.  The good Senator and I were not related and didn’t share the same politics either. Sen. Frank Church was one of the all-time great national figures. He did more for conservation anyone else in politics I can think of, with the possible exception of Teddy Rooseveldt. The Frank Church Wilderness in Idaho is named after him. It’s spectacular, enclosing the finest wilderness river in the lower 48 — the Middle Fork of the Salmon. I’m just sickened by the cast of disreputable characters that have taken over Idaho politics at the national level. I miss you, Frank, and I miss Sen.Chafee of Rhode Island, a Republican who wasn’t afraid to stand up for the public interest. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

They named the north loop in Dallas the LBJ Freeway in honor of LBJ because they stole all of the land.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sen. Frank Church was one of the all-time great national figures. He did more for conservation anyone else in politics I can think of, with the possible exception of Teddy Rooseveldt. The Frank Church Wilderness in Idaho is named after him. It’s spectacular, enclosing the finest wilderness river in the lower 48 — the Middle Fork of the Salmon. I’m just sickened by the cast of disreputable characters that have taken over Idaho politics at the national level. I miss you, Frank, and I miss Sen.Chafee of Rhode Island, a Republican who wasn’t afraid to stand up for the public interest.

You’re right of course, and Sen. Church should have been recognized with having a wilderness area named in his honor, at the least.  I didn’t mean to denigrate him, and hope you didn’t take it that way.  The FCWA is some spectacular country that I’d love to see up close and personal, like say, astride a horse on a pack-in flyfishing trip. That will probably never happen but at least it’s nice to know it’s there, and waiting. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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They named the north loop in Dallas the LBJ Freeway in honor of LBJ because they stole all of the land.

        in view of the fact that "land stealing" is a well known core component of successful capitalism, i should think that lbj would occupy a prime space in your pantheon of heroes, david.         not that i, too, am *not* a capitalist; it just seems that if one is labeled a "democrat" (whatever that is), you refuse to believe that he can also be a capitalist.  i think you will have to admit that materialism is no respecter of political labels. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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   in view of the fact that "land stealing" is a well known core component of successful capitalism, i should think that lbj would occupy a prime space in your pantheon of heroes, david.

Not to mention the fact that LBJ was a *serious* poon hound<g. — Charlie…

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LBJ because they stole all of the land. My parents house was just a couple of miles north of where they built the LBJ Freeway and in our house it was always refered to as the SOB Freeway. Big Dale

But there was no one better at getting out the cementary vote than LBJ. Whether you were a republican or democrat…if you were dead…you always casted your vote for Lyndon. obroff (this one should be fun): How many believe that LBJ had a hand in the Dallas assassination of JFK? Waldo — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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LBJ because they stole all of the land.

My parents house was just a couple of miles north of where they built the LBJ Freeway and in our house it was always refered to as the SOB Freeway. Big Dale

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obroff (this one should be fun): How many believe that LBJ had a hand in the Dallas assassination of JFK? Waldo

Just a note Waldo, the MOSAD ran a full scale scenario of the Dallas shooting with their best marksmen and could not duplicate the event. Their official report said that Oswald didn’t do it.  The KGB didn’t do it and the Kremlin believed Kennedy to be the one man in Washington they could trust to some degree.  I wonder if they have the same faith in Clinton? Remember the quote from the Navigator in Dune?  "…plots within plots, within plots…" — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Remember the quote from the Navigator in Dune?  "…plots within plots, within plots…"

Wayne, for an old feller you sure seem rather adept with pop culture references. Mu

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In article <Pine.SOL.4.10.9911101035150.17986- Wayne, for an old feller you sure seem rather adept with pop culture references. Mu

Mu, I’ve never been too bashful to steal the good stuff from anybody’s culture!! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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The good Senator and I were not related and didn’t share the same politics either.

Of course that’s JUST what we could expect you to say under the circumstances! Got any ID bub?  Would you agree to a DNA analysis?    

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How many believe that LBJ had a hand in the Dallas assassination of JFK?

Dallas assassinated an airport?  Huh?  Where was I in ‘63?

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How often should you change your line.  Mine has been on a year but does not seemed damaged. — Praise God for the changing of the seasons; Baseball to Football, Fishing to Hunting.

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I say that you should change your line when it wears out and loses floatability or, er… sinkability (?). Bryce Carron Rockford, Tn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -How often should you change your line.  Mine has been on a year but does not seemed damaged.

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if it splashes down when casting, is cracked or sinks, get a new one

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How often should you change your line.  Mine has been on a year but does not seemed damaged. — Praise God for the changing of the seasons; Baseball to Football, Fishing to Hunting.

Hi All, Some lucky suckers get to fish every day, so they might get a new line every season. Other get out an average amount and need a line in 3 to 5 years. Some poor guys never get to go and their lines are still great after 20 years in the closet. You can usually tell by looking at the finish. If it looks like it is cracking or is sinking after it is cleaned and dressed, it is probably worn out. The top fly lines are still only $50. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com

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How often should you change your line.  Mine has been on a year but does not seemed damaged.

The easy answer is when it wears out.  The line will get stiff and crack, or start sinking when it wears out and then you should replace it.  I replace mine about once a year, most people replace theirs every 3 to 5 years.  If you don’t use it much it will last much longer if you keep it out of the sun and heat. Also, "cracking the whip" with your fly line will not only lose a lot of flies, but cause your line to crack and wear out prematurely.                                    Hope this helps,                                           Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools Mt. Shasta Fly Fishing Schools http://www.thegrid.net/flyfish

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If I replace mine every time it splashes down while casting I’d need a new one every couple of casts.             Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – if it splashes down when casting, is cracked or sinks, get a new one

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I’m new to fly fishing and have just recently purchased my own equipment instead of using someone else’s.  could you tell me how this line is supposed to go?  Is it backing – line- leader- tippet?  If so how much leader and how much tippet.  I fish in Arkansas rivers (mostly the White and the Buffalo). Thanks, Alan Edwards

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I’m new to fly fishing and have just recently purchased my own equipment instead of using someone else’s.  could you tell me how this line is supposed to go?  Is it backing – line- leader- tippet?  If so how

Yes "backing – line- leader- tippet" and then: Leaders for beginners should usually be about 9 feet. The tippet is simply the finest part of the leader next to the hook.  Rough guideline:  3x tippet = 0.008" suits #12 hook                          4x            007"       #16 and similarly up and down.  You need to replace the tippet when (after changing flies) it gets too short or too thick. New tippets should be roughly 18" inches (less if your dry fly does not "turn over" neatly, longer for more delicate touchdowns etc.)   Backing is measured last, so as to fill up the reel, without squashing the line, once everything is unspooled and respooled the right way.  A filled reel reduces line curl (and provides extra insurance if you hook a bigger fish than expected.) — |  Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs,  | |        Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734         |

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Hi, I’d like to get any input on Red Ball felt sole wading shoes. Good or bad. Thanks, Bob

We sold the high top lace up model this last year. They have a imitation leather look to them. They are good for the angler that will not be fishing much or very vigorously. If you are a powerful wader and fish much, I would buy the Weinbrener shoe, as it is very durable. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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Hi, I’d like to get any input on Red Ball felt sole wading shoes. Good or bad. Thanks, Bob

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I’ve had a pair (the velcro closure type) for about two years and use them heavily. I fish almost every week, usually on water with lots of abrasive rocks. No problem yet except they are pretty heavy. The felf isn’t wearing down too badly. By the way, I bought them because they were on sale for $20. grendel

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Hi, I’d like to get any input on Red Ball felt sole wading shoes. Good or bad. Thanks, Bob

Not bad shoes but if you can afford them the Weinbrenner or gary borger with Korkers inswerted in the felt are better. Last look aroun$80.00 a         Ancient Angller

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What to charge for private tying lessons? I have two questions for any fly tying instructors who care to reply. I have been teaching fly tying at a local shop for the past 3 years and I recently was asked to do some private one-on-one lessons. question #1: My friends tell me I do not charge enough for my instruction. What do you charge a beginner for 1.5 hours of instruction. question #2: what would you charge if your student was selling flies to a mail-order company. If you prefer not to reply to the newsgroup, thanks todd seigfried

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What to charge for private tying lessons?

[snip] If you prefer not to reply to the newsgroup,

I would appreciate it if any responders would post the answer here!   Would like to know the answer also.

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question #1: My friends tell me I do not charge enough for my instruction. What do you charge a beginner for 1.5 hours of instruction.

I’m an instructor here in the Chicago area, and the students pay 75.00 for a two-day (total of six hours) seminar.  That’s 12.50 per hour (payed to the fly-shop) but it’s in groups of from four to seven people.  For private lessons I would charge 25.00 per hour. Jack

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Hi Todd, My wife and I make our living as commercial fly tiers in the winter and guides in the summer.  Our price for teaching fly tying PERIOD… is $25.00 per hour, no matter the size of the class or the number of students.  It could be one person or twelve (our maximum). If I had a student who was selling flies to some one else, you ask, "What would I do?" I would try to hire him! Take care!  Good Tying & Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT I have two questions for any fly tying instructors who care to reply. I have been teaching fly tying at a local shop for the past 3 years and I recently was asked to do some private one-on-one lessons.

Please check the message above!  Take Care! Al Beatty

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I think that if you were on a limited budget, like you were in graduate school, you could have everyone chip in a dime per fly to cover the cost of the materials.          Jeff Schaeffer

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my only complaint is that he and his wife giggle like morons every

time they hook a fish.  Can anybody shed any light on this?<<<   Drives me into the trees as well ! Harry

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my only complaint is that he and his wife giggle like morons every time they hook a fish.  Can anybody shed any light on this?<<<  Drives me into the trees as well ! Harry

  Yea, I hate to complain about the only show dedicated to our beloved pastime, however, the giggling drives me NUTS and I can’t figure out why after so many guided trips they would not be able to come up with some places to go on thier own!!! ( Maybe cause the plug for thier own travel service is at the end of the show )              /Leave nothing but your footprints                                               /                                              /                                             /                                            /                                           /                                       O  /                                       |_/o                                       |                                      / |

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I do not know these people but I ran into them on the Big Horn and they seemed like nice people trying to make a living from the kinds of people who buy videos about flyfishing (I guess in hopes they will become better flyfishers).  I guess if you paid a lot of money for the video you have a right to bitch — otherwise it sounds just like jealousy to me.

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Harry  Yea, I hate to complain about the only show dedicated to our beloved pastime, however, the giggling drives me NUTS and I can’t figure out why after so many guided trips they would not be able to come up with some places to go on thier own!!! ( Maybe cause the plug for thier own travel service is at the end of the show )                                      Jay

Jay: I only recently noticed this thread.  Is "this guy and his wife" by any chance Jim and Kelly Watt who produce a fishing show for ESPN? Ed —

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OK, ok.  I started all of this hoping to find out if this Watt was related to the rape and pillage Watt of the ’80’s interior dept.  I’m sorry about the giggling remark, but it is a bit excessive, if perfectly sincere in appreciation for the exhilaration of hooking a fish on a fly.  I believe the show is top notch (anything’s better than Bill Dance).  If Jim and Kelly are in on this thread, I hereby invite them to a full day’s guided fly fishing for smallmouth bass on the beautiful upper Potomac near Harper’s Ferry, WVA–two custom whitewater fishing rafts, two guides, and lunch for the whole crew.  Laugh all you want, and catch triple-digits of smallies.  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I only recently noticed this thread.  Is "this guy and his wife" by any chance Jim and Kelly Watt who produce a fishing show for ESPN? Yup, the same Giggle Twins…Say what you want, they make the sanctimonious blatherings of John Barrett in his Fly Fishing The World look good by comparison… Thank god for ESPN, VCRs, and the fast forward button – because I can’t see waking up early on a Saturday morning to listen to the flyfishing equivalent to Beavis and Butthead (hee! tee hee!…YUCK!) /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.    Alpha Server Engineering  < <         "Read this and nobody gets hurt ;^)"         < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Yeah…YEAH… and another thing… Fortunately I don’t get cable, but I’ve seen a couple of the Watt’s videos and can’t imagine how you guys don’t find it absolutely charmning when Kelly talks baby talk while fighting a tarpon. "Ooooh I tink I wost it". Give me a break. What these shows need are real people doing this fishing, people who haven’t shaved in a couple days, cussin and fartin’ in their waders. Yeah. Me for example. Yeah and Wayne too, they can send us off to all the great fishing locations. And we’ll have guests too : jc : "Well Wayne, looks like we’re ready to fish for barramundi here in Australia." wt : "Yes we are John, and here comes our special guest, Ingrid Newkirk!" etc. no laughing, no newage music, no tarponwear. jez fishun.                                                         jc

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If Jim & Kelly can’t make it, I’d like to volunteer, and I’ll even giggle if it’s absolutely necessary. bob vorel

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I only recently noticed this thread.  Is "this guy and his wife" by any chance Jim and Kelly Watt who produce a fishing show for ESPN? Yup, the same Giggle Twins…Say what you want, they make the sanctimonious blatherings of John Barrett in his Fly Fishing The World look good by comparison… Thank god for ESPN, VCRs, and the fast forward button – because I can’t see waking up early on a Saturday morning to listen to the flyfishing equivalent to Beavis and Butthead (hee! tee hee!…YUCK!) /dave

YeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaa!  Ride ‘em, Dave! — "Are the crows calling to me?" Asked Caw.

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Good idea about turning down the sound.  I have their videos in my shop, and they are good references if you are planning a trip to one of those destinations.  However, listening to them for too long is akin to water torture.  Dave

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be critical of jim watt all you want…we’re all stuck at work on our computers and he’s out in the boat with kelly…fishing no less.

 True Story !!.   Harry

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be critical of jim watt all you want…we’re all stuck at work on our computers and he’s out in the boat with kelly…fishing no less…

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