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Went fishing last weekend up north on a river near the Estonian border, and spent the night at a little B&B where the proprietor was genuinely suprised that I didn’t catch anything, as he assured me the stream was full of browns. I explained my newbie status with a fly rod, and he looked in my nymph case, told me my pheasant tails and hare’s ears should have worked if I dead drifted them down deep in the holes, as the wind was blowing the the dries would have been useless since the fish don’t rise on windy days. So all this week, I planned for my return. I headed out of work at the bell on Friday, stopped at my local FF shop and got some lightweight intermediate sink leader, a few more nymph-looking things, and drove the 1.5 hours up to the river again, turned off onto the woods road, locked in the 4WD hubs, and headed out to the same stretch of stream. As I was getting rigged up next to the truck about 1/4 mile from the stream, I was getting eaten alive by mosquitoes; worst I’ve seen since the Maine woods, so I beat feet to the stream side,, quickly waded out to midstream to lose the bugs, and started drifting my new beadhead nymph. After a few dry casts, I was sure I had spooked the fish while quickly wading out deep, but then something flashed past my head, and landed on the water just about 3 feet in front of me. Something greenish-brown, about the size of a silver dollar. Something I had never seen before, but instantly recognized. At this moment I had a 3-fold revelation. First, seeing my first mayfly was like that surge of recognition you get when you first see the Grand Canyon or the Statue of Liberty. Its been in a million picture books, and you may think you know what it is, but when you see your first one, you realize you were wrong. I actually said out loud, to no one but the river. "Ohh!!! So THATS a mayfly!!" Then a huge swirly rose right under it, and it disappeared in a surge of fin and back, and I realized the second and third revelations: trout aren’t so spooked by someone walking right into their livingroom as I thought, and today was a day to be fishing dries that look like mayflies (duh!). Actually, I had a fourth revelation: I didn’t have any flies that looked like mayflies!! However, I did have a few upright wings, including ‘the magic fly’ (see a previous post); a deer hair caddis that was the right color, almost. If I had a tying kit, I know I would have run back to the car just then, and tied up a bunch of perfect colored mayflys on the spot (revelation five: THATS why people tie their own flies!) So I tied on the caddis, and cast it about where the trout rose. Strike (and a miss). Cast right there again.,,another rise (and another miss). Cast a third time, no reaction. Revelation five: two strikes and you’re out. The fish learn fast. I worked that spot for awhile, then eventually waded my way downstream. Although I only brought a few 8" browns to hand, I knew that a slightly more skilled fisherman would have landed some monster trout, as they were rising for the mayflies all over the place. In fact, I could use the drying mayflies as indicators: if I saw one sitting on the water being left alone, I didn’t even bother casting there. But often when one flew down close to the water, I could cast right there and get a rise every time! I even was getting very clever with my casts: at a certain distance, the fly line would land on the water while the fly was at the top of the turn-over, and the fly would just stall out at the top of the circle, then drop straight down like a falling mayfly. It brought up a rise every time. In fact, for about 2 hours, I got strikes on almost every cast! It was great! Later, I learned that most of my strikes were smaller browns, or those damn local coarse fish. Thats when I got revelation #6: the big fish are very picky, and can tell an deer-hair caddis from a mayfly. And revelation #7: if you don’t keep your standards high, you will get lured into fishing for the little ones (since they are striking) rather than focusing on what it takes to get the bigger ones. So anyway, I got to see my first bonafide mayfly hatch; now I know what all the hype is about. I’m gonna start carrying some realistic looking mayflies with me just for the next time this happens! OBNewbie question: HOW can you entice the big fish to strike without getting all pecked apart by those damn tiny fish? This particiular stream has probably 200 tiny fish per cubic meter of water, and they mess with everything you toss out. riverman

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<SNIP OBNewbie question: HOW can you entice the big fish to strike without getting all pecked apart by those damn tiny fish? This particiular stream has probably 200 tiny fish per cubic meter of water, and they mess with everything you toss out. riverman

Congratulations! Sounds like you had an excellent time. You must concentrate on the big fish Often you can get an impression of the size of a fish, by watching the rises. Large fish displace more water, and the "swirl" is a good indication. If you are catching smaller fish, then you are doing things right, but larger fish are inevitably far more careful. That is how they got large in the first place. Lastly, during mayfly hatches ( Ephemera danica, and similar, which I assume you mean); http://www.bioimages.org.uk/HTML/P46868.HTM it often pays off to try a largish nymph instead of a mayfly.  The technique is to allow the nymph to swing slowly across. where you saw the rise, and then either pull slowly on the line, or raise the rod. This imitates a nymph rising to hatch, and is often irresistible to trout. Also, larger fish always command the best feeding positions. You must consider what you think the best position is, and cast to it. Best of all is of course seeing the fish. When dry fly-fishing, you must always wait for the fish to turn down, before setting the hook. Striking too soon will simply pull the fly out of his mouth.  This is very difficult for "newbies". When the fish takes, count "One hundred, two hundred", and then set the hook.  This will seem like an eternity, and if it is a big fish your hands will shaking, a strange sort of dementia will have gripped you, and every muscle in your body will be screaming "STRIKE!!". Resist them! TL MC

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Some of these might be of help to you; http://www.mayfly.com/tips.htm http://www.flyfishingconnection.com/feedingpatterns.html http://www.flyfishamerica.com/ArticlesReports/GeneralArticles/Kustich… rout/KustichLargeTrout.html and for flies for E.danica etc http://www.algonet.se/~sjostran/English/10134.htm http://figen.com/flyfish/trysil98.html http://www.billmcilroy.freeserve.co.uk/WET%20%20MAYFLY%20PATTERNS.htm http://www.uky.edu/~agrdanny/flyfish/dryfly.htm http://freespace.virgin.net/fly.fishing/mayfly-yellowdrake.html http://www.hookhack.com/dries.html For a massive pattern index, and lots of other interesting stuff; http://home.netc.net.au/~gnaylor/flies.htm Large olive/yellow coloured hackled flies with a bit of orange in them, have always done well for me, and are easier to cast than winged imitations. TL MC

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[Book of Revelations snipped] Sounds like a fun time. As Mike says water displacement often gives away a bigger fish … fishing afternoon/evening rises, which it sounds like you were, should carry over after dark.  Often thats when the bigger fish will come out to feed … especially in hard fished water.  Best part is the fish are twice as big after dark … or at least they feel that weigh. Steve

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At this moment I had a 3-fold revelation. First, seeing my first mayfly was like that surge of recognition you get when you first see the Grand Canyon or the Statue of Liberty. Its been in a million picture books, and you may think you know what it is, but when you see your first one, you realize you were wrong. I actually said out loud, to no one but the river. "Ohh!!! So THATS a mayfly!!" Then a huge swirly rose right under it, and it disappeared in a surge of fin and back,

— Tight lines! / Roger Daytime engineer Lifetime flyfisherman For info on flyfishing in Northern Sweden visit http://home.bip.net/angler/

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<snipped lovely report OBNewbie question: HOW can you entice the big fish to strike without getting all pecked apart by those damn tiny fish? This particiular stream has probably 200 tiny fish per cubic meter of water, and they mess with everything you toss out. riverman

Did you try squinting? They might look bigger.. ) Herman

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rw, You are beginning to sound like Forty and his objection to squaw,

You really think so? Never mind, then. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Which is one reason why I do it. TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …to paraphrase Robert Lynd (who was talking about playing golf):  It’s almost impossible to remember how tragic a place the world is when one is flyfishing.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines." I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly.

_____  gee r.w.?  You had to post this just when I was about to release the New 2001 products list: 1)  Chernobyl "First Strike" Glow Indicators 2)  Green Chernobyl Fish-Fuzz 3)  Chernobyl (half-life) Sun Tan Cream 4)  The Dirty Nuclear Green Machine Fly 5)  Heavy Hydrogen Sinking Chernobyl Tippets I have more, but out of respect to your point of view, I cannot release these products.

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_____  gee r.w.?  You had to post this just when I was about to release the New 2001 products list: 1)  Chernobyl "First Strike" Glow Indicators

Great product name. George. You may be crazy, but you aren’t stupid. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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RW, I don’t think most of these guys would think it was funny if THEY were on the VA Agent Orange and/or Gulf War Syndrome registry. El Paso Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines." I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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RW, I don’t think most of these guys would think it was funny if THEY were on the VA Agent Orange and/or Gulf War Syndrome registry.

This has nothing to do with anything, but RWJ’s post reminded me of the story: I’ve known a lot of stupid people in my life, but one guy stands out in my memory.   He was a coworker many years ago who, through little fault of his own, had apparently no concept of the world most of us consider normal. From our conversations over the years, I concluded that he’d been raised in a home situation lacking in intellectual stimulation, financial stability, and positive encouragement.   On top of that, he was of small stature, and seemed to feel a constant need to prove that he was both tough and smart. He was, in fact, insecure and not very bright.   But that’s only background. He took up body building, and I believe he seriously thought about pursuing a career as a "professional wrestler".   He began weight lifting, and in his desire to acquire the bodybuilder look, he decided that he needed a tan; and he answered one of those back-of-the-magazine ads for a product that allows you to "tan without the sun".   I don’t know what was in the pills he received, but he took them as directed (knowing him though, probably at twice the dosage).   He was encouraged that his skin did begin to darken, and he continued his regimen.   Ultimately, he turned orange.   Not brightly, of course, but as the color effect intensified over time, there wasn’t a hint of brown to be seen.   He was undoubtedly orange.   He, of course, saw this an a precursor to "tan" and kept taking the pills, until he was unmistakably orange right down to his fingernails. In the end, he only earned the nickname "Agent Orange" that stayed with him for the rest of the time we knew him.   What a character.

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rw, You are beginning to sound like Forty and his objection to squaw, "rw" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly.

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…to paraphrase Robert Lynd (who was talking about playing golf):  It’s almost impossible to remember how tragic a place the world is when one is flyfishing. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Land mines." — that one is funny until you think about it. Brought to mind the old M.A.S.H. episode in which the Korean family had their child out front when plowing the fields to make sure the family ox wasn’t killed by a land mine.. Joe F. Ya, it’s a realy sad commentary on extreme rural poverty – a child is more expendable than the ox.  Farmers, their children and their animals are still at risk from landmines in much of SE Asia and Africa.  Wonderful legacy of the arms merchants. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Before the Gulf War Barbara Walters did a story on gender roles in Kuwait. She noted that women customarily walked about 10 feet behind their husbands. She returned to Kuwait recently and observed that the men now walked several yards behind their wives. Ms. Walters approached one of the women for an explanation. "This is marvelous," she said, "what enabled women to achieve such respect?"  The Kuwaiti woman replied, "Land mines." — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Before the Gulf War Barbara Walters did a story on gender roles in Kuwait. She noted that women customarily walked about 10 feet behind their husbands. She returned to Kuwait recently and observed that the men now walked several yards behind their wives. Ms. Walters approached one of the women for an explanation. "This is marvelous," she said, "what enabled women to achieve such respect?"  The Kuwaiti woman replied, "Land mines." —

that one is funny until you think about it. Peter

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"Land mines." — that one is funny until you think about it.

Brought to mind the old M.A.S.H. episode in which the Korean family had their child out front when plowing the fields to make sure the family ox wasn’t killed by a land mine.. Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Land mines." — that one is funny until you think about it. Brought to mind the old M.A.S.H. episode in which the Korean family had their child out front when plowing the fields to make sure the family ox wasn’t killed by a land mine.. Joe F.

Ya, it’s a realy sad commentary on extreme rural poverty – a child is more expendable than the ox.  Farmers, their children and their animals are still at risk from landmines in much of SE Asia and Africa.  Wonderful legacy of the arms merchants. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I shoulda used this tactic with my ex-wife. The insurance money would have bought *several* nice bamboo rods. <g

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Before the Gulf War Barbara Walters did a story on gender roles in Kuwait. She noted that women customarily walked about 10 feet behind their husbands. She returned to Kuwait recently and observed that the men now walked several yards behind their wives. Ms. Walters approached one of the women for an explanation. "This is marvelous," she said, "what enabled women to achieve such respect?"  The Kuwaiti woman replied, "Land mines." — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines."

– Charles Reaves

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Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines." — Charles Reaves

I’ve seen a few sites that cover landmines (I think I have them bookmarked somewhere) plus prgrams on Canadian and British demining teams at work in places like Bosnia.   Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Have you seen the sponsored landmine site – sponsorship helps to repair the damage done by these amoral weapons – yeah yeah I know it is the user not the weapon but you get my drift. "Land mines."

I feel I must call attention to a serious lack of sensitivity in the flyfishing community. I am of course referring to the use of the term "Chernobyl", as in Chernobyl Ant, Chernobyl Hopper, and several other so-called fly patterns of similar type. Don’t you people realize that over 70,000 Ukranians alone were killed or disabled by the tragedy of the Chernobyl nuclear accident, and that their descendants will continue to suffer the effects, including grotesque mutations and birth defects, for years to come? It is insensitive and irresponsible in the extreme to make light of that deplorable and tragic accident just to make a catchy name for something as frivolous as a fishing fly. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Agree that the Sage discovery rules on the $200 price point. St Croix the way to go on the $100 level. Great rods, great company. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Mark, Just pick a winner?  The only way I know to proceed from here is for you to cast all these rods? The next catagory is the $200+ range with the Sage DS2 being at the front of I’ve decided on a 6 weight fly rod to start and I’m wondering what you all feel about the below choices I’m espcially interested in the Bass Pro White River, the Cabela’s Fish Eagle, and the Reddington Red.fly:  Those are my "high three" based on what I know so far. Bass Pro  Hobbs Creek $69.95 Bass Pro White River Classic $99.95 Cabela’s Sweetwater $85.00 Cabela’s Fish Eagle $99.99 St. Croix Pro Graphite $85.00 Reddington Red.fly $75.00 Coutland CL $99.95 — "The number of job openings for Philosopher-Kings is  limited in the late 20th Century." – Dr. Megabyte Tuba Playing Technocrat in Winchester, VA    KD4HRI

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Hi Mark, Just pick a winner?  The only way I know to proceed from here is for you to cast all these rods? The next catagory is the $200+ range with the Sage DS2 being at the front of – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve decided on a 6 weight fly rod to start and I’m wondering what you all feel about the below choices I’m espcially interested in the Bass Pro White River, the Cabela’s Fish Eagle, and the Reddington Red.fly:  Those are my "high three" based on what I know so far. Bass Pro  Hobbs Creek $69.95 Bass Pro White River Classic $99.95 Cabela’s Sweetwater $85.00 Cabela’s Fish Eagle $99.99 St. Croix Pro Graphite $85.00 Reddington Red.fly $75.00 Coutland CL $99.95 — "The number of job openings for Philosopher-Kings is  limited in the late 20th Century." – Dr. Megabyte Tuba Playing Technocrat in Winchester, VA    KD4HRI

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Asadi, Just a quick story to share about flyrods, channel cats and kids.  My daughter was with me at a pond and she was catching pan fish and bass using a soft Orvis (Flea) 6′6" 4 wt rod.  Out of nowhere, a thirty-inch cat fish rose and took the fly, he was hooked in the corner of his mouth in the grissle. Her and her brother ‘fought’ this fish starting around 6 pm.  She was 12 and he was 14.  It gets dark in the summer around 9:30pm.  They took turns as they tired.   I went and got the pickup so we would have lights.  Fortunately, the pond wasn’t so big that when he ran, the fish run out of pond before the kids ran out of backing.  Eventually, they tired the fish enough that Dad could wade out and place the net under him.  It was 10:30pm. A few pictures and the fish was released.  That is what memories are made of. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just bought my first graphite the other day.  A Cortland CL, 5/6 weight, 8′6"……. <<snipped Personally, fishing a lot out of a kayak, and considering the usual circumstances I run into..occassional carp and channel cat..if I could afford a rod for every occasion I believe a 7/8 would be my choice for

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The Reddington Red Start took best overall rod a few years ago.  I haven’t heard much about them since Orvis bought them.  Priced at a $100 they were considered a very good buy. Ernie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m curious if others have any opinions on the Reddingtons and their comparative quality.  I have a 5/6 wt Red.Start and a 9wt Red.Fly.  The fly shop owner talked me into a Red.Fly even though he could have easily talked me into a Red.Start at the time (and probably knew it). I’m too much of a novice at this to offer an opinion on comparitive quality especially since the only thing I’ve ever known is Reddington.  But I will say I’ve never had a problem with their warranty.  I snapped the tip on the Red.Start walking out to a pond one time and the fly shop let me swap it out with them the very next day (though I’ve since learned some fly shops want you to deal with Reddington directly). But certainly interested in any unbiased opinions on the relative quality of Reddington.  I was definitely going to buy my son a cheaper Cabela rod and reel though (until I’m sure he’s going to enjoy it). Thank you, Shawn

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I’m curious if others have any opinions on the Reddingtons and their comparative quality.  I have a 5/6 wt Red.Start and a 9wt Red.Fly.  The fly shop owner talked me into a Red.Fly even though he could have easily talked me into a Red.Start at the time (and probably knew it). I’m too much of a novice at this to offer an opinion on comparitive quality especially since the only thing I’ve ever known is Reddington.  But I will say I’ve never had a problem with their warranty.  I snapped the tip on the Red.Start walking out to a pond one time and the fly shop let me swap it out with them the very next day (though I’ve since learned some fly shops want you to deal with Reddington directly). But certainly interested in any unbiased opinions on the relative quality of Reddington.  I was definitely going to buy my son a cheaper Cabela rod and reel though (until I’m sure he’s going to enjoy it). Thank you, Shawn

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Mark E. Sunderlin Winchester, VA

Mark, Haul yourself down to the Fly Fishing show in College Park Maryland this weekend.  Try the rods, pick the one which works best for you. Catch the seminar on Saturday at 10:00. Harry Murray’s talk on smallmouth fishing. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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I just bought my first graphite the other day.  A Cortland CL, 5/6 weight, 8′6"……. I’ve used primarily glass rods, and do primarily smallmouth fishing as that is the dominate fish in my area. The rather sensitive, delicate nature of graphite is taking some getting used to, at times I think I would have done well with a 7/8 weight as far as smallmouth goes but I was trying to get a rod I could also use for trout. Personally, fishing a lot out of a kayak, and considering the usual circumstances I run into..occassional carp and channel cat..if I could afford a rod for every occasion I believe a 7/8 would be my choice for With glass I found my 7/8/9 wieghts to be too much for how I prefer to fish, smallmouth in the riverwise, but these graphites are a whole different story. FWIW I found a book "Smallmouth Strategies for the Fly Rod" by Ryan to be – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’ve decided on a 6 weight fly rod to start and I’m wondering what you all feel about the below choices I’m espcially interested in the Bass Pro White River, the Cabela’s Fish Eagle, and the Reddington Red.fly:  Those are my "high three" based on what I know so far. Bass Pro  Hobbs Creek $69.95 Bass Pro White River Classic $99.95 Cabela’s Sweetwater $85.00 Cabela’s Fish Eagle $99.99 St. Croix Pro Graphite $85.00 Reddington Red.fly $75.00 Coutland CL $99.95 — "The number of job openings for Philosopher-Kings is limited in the late 20th Century." – Dr. Megabyte Tuba Playing Technocrat in Winchester, VA    KD4HRI

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Bass Pro  Hobbs Creek                      $69.95 Bass Pro White River Classic               $99.95 Cabela’s Sweetwater                        $85.00 Cabela’s Fish Eagle                        $99.99 St. Croix Pro Graphite                     $85.00 Reddington Red.fly                 $75.00 Coutland CL                                $99.95

The Sweetwater owned by a friend of mine seemed rather stiff.  The St. Croix at least has a decent warranty and is limber enough for lobbing clousers or split shot.  I would recommend it.  Have no experience with the other rods you mentioned. Mu

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I’ve decided on a 6 weight fly rod to start and I’m wondering what you all feel about the below choices I’m espcially interested in the Bass Pro White River, the Cabela’s Fish Eagle, and the Reddington Red.fly:  Those are my "high three" based on what I know so far. Bass Pro  Hobbs Creek                   $69.95 Bass Pro White River Classic            $99.95 Cabela’s Sweetwater                     $85.00 Cabela’s Fish Eagle                     $99.99 St. Croix Pro Graphite                  $85.00 Reddington Red.fly                      $75.00 Coutland CL                             $99.95 — "The number of job openings for Philosopher-Kings is  limited in the late 20th Century." – Dr. Megabyte Tuba Playing Technocrat in Winchester, VA    KD4HRI

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I live in Tucson – what can I say – it’s beautiful today, just like every other day.

Annis-MM – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Everyone all good thoughts,and hope your Sunday is as great as mine has been,so far…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know about where others are,but the weather here is just fantastic!  Been beautiful up in Wisconsin. Temperatures are still holding in the upper 40’s/50’s. We’ve even seen 70’s the past few weeks. Pretty nice for November up here.  My only "gripe" is I put the boat away back in October…. "My point being that when you argue with animal rights activist about "poor starving children" you might just as well bring up aliens from Mars. As they probably know more about that than being poor, starving or children." Verne Dale Anderson

We never put the boats away… Sea duckin and all ya know ; ) Paulette~ —  A dogs life is too short…    Their only fault really… Before you buy.

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We never put the boats away… Sea duckin and all ya know ; )

 I am turning green w/envy….  Since I don’t have a heated garage, and since it can get below zero fast this time of year, smart money is to winterize it in late October…. "My point being that when you argue with animal rights activist about "poor starving children" you might just as well bring up aliens from Mars. As they probably know more about that than being poor, starving or children." Verne Dale Anderson  

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We never put the boats away… Sea duckin and all ya know ; )  I am turning green w/envy….

heehee I know ; )  Since I don’t have a heated garage, and since it can get below zero fast this time of year, smart money is to winterize it in late October….

Well the harbour hasn’t froze up since 77,and we are a tough old bunch down here. It’s a lot warmer here, although the cold damp ocean air can be bone chilling sometimes. Paulette~ "My point being that when you argue with animal rights activist about "poor starving children" you might just as well bring up aliens from Mars. As they probably know more about that than being poor, starving or children." Verne Dale Anderson

–  A dogs life is too short…    Their only fault really… Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Guys~ I haven’t been posting much,as just have been out living the sporting life. : ) I don’t know about where others are,but the weather here is just fantastic! This morning got into the sailing dory,did a bit of fishing (no luck) and a lot of scalloping (mucho luck) and then two of the brown dogs,hubby ad myself,sailed into ‘Fishmonger’s" for breakfast. Everyone was taking pics of Ati and Keeper just being "perfectly beautiful" waiting at the drawbridge for us to return. It really was a classic photo.Two Chessies in a 19th Century Lowell Dory.  In fact I think I am going to do the Christmas pics this year of them all in the ‘Polly N" with them all decorated up. : ) Anyway, after a super breakfast of breakfast burritos,and great coffee, (yes, this place is a favourite) we went back to the boat,and went fly fishing for stripers. Guess what??? Got a HUGE keeper,and Keeper who is quite the "FISHERDOG",went out to retrieve it! So it’s striper for dinner,with swiss chard from the garden and stuffed broiled tomatoes,and rice pilaf… Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Everyone all good thoughts,and hope your Sunday is as great as mine has been,so far… Woof! Paulette~ A dogs life is too short…    Their only fault,really…

OK, after reading your post, I have decided I hate you… *just kidding* But, your did inspire me and my wife to take some time out and go for a wonderful walk around the woods by my house. All of the leaves are pretty much gone, but it was still great, just to get out and enjoy the outdoors, even if just for a few hours. — "Life is too short, for everyone to see things my way" Before you buy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Guys~ I haven’t been posting much,as just have been out living the sporting life. : ) I don’t know about where others are,but the weather here is just fantastic! This morning got into the sailing dory,did a bit of fishing (no luck) and a lot of scalloping (mucho luck) and then two of the brown dogs,hubby ad myself,sailed into ‘Fishmonger’s" for breakfast. Everyone was taking pics of Ati and Keeper just being "perfectly beautiful" waiting at the drawbridge for us to return. It really was a classic photo.Two Chessies in a 19th Century Lowell Dory.  In fact I think I am going to do the Christmas pics this year of them all in the ‘Polly N" with them all decorated up. : ) Anyway, after a super breakfast of breakfast burritos,and great coffee, (yes, this place is a favourite) we went back to the boat,and went fly fishing for stripers. Guess what??? Got a HUGE keeper,and Keeper who is quite the "FISHERDOG",went out to retrieve it! So it’s striper for dinner,with swiss chard from the garden and stuffed broiled tomatoes,and rice pilaf… Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Everyone all good thoughts,and hope your Sunday is as great as mine has been,so far… Woof! Paulette~ A dogs life is too short…    Their only fault,really… OK, after reading your post, I have decided I hate you…

THat’s okay you can’t get evryone to like you huh,but you can get them to respect you. Although most MEN like me ; ) woman too… *just kidding* But, your did inspire me and my wife to take some time out and go for a wonderful walk around the woods by my house.

Good I like to "inspire" All of the leaves are pretty much gone,

Oh boy haven’t raked much yet,as the leaves are still on the trees,but the place is LEAF LANE,heehee I love shuffling through the leaves,and making a pile and falling down in them. Having a small bonfire and making "s’mores". Anyone like them like I do?  but it was still great, just to get out and enjoy the outdoors, even if just for a few hours.

Yes, I am an outdoor girl, especially a water one. I’m a pisces : ) Hubby is even more the outdoorsman. His nickname is "Rugged Bear" ; ) — "Life is too short, for everyone to see things my way"

I always have to have things my way. I’m like Papa Hemingway when asked " Why does it always have to be your way?" He replied "Because I like it that way" : ) Me too… Paulette~ Before you buy.

–  A dogs life is too short…    Their only fault really… Before you buy.

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I don’t know about where others are,but the weather here is just fantastic! Been beautiful up in Wisconsin. Temperatures are still holding in the upper 40’s/50’s. We’ve even seen 70’s the past few weeks. Pretty nice for November up here.

Lovely here as well, temps in the +20s, no wind, and it hasn’t quit snowing since yesterday (maybe 6 inches or so since yesterday a.m.) and expected to snow for another day or two. Lots of fluff, very pretty, and I’m taking the dogs out for a snowbath later. (best way to get a dog clean during winter, toss favorite toy into a powdery snowdrift 2-3 times… we don’t have wet snow, so it gets the coat clean) My only "gripe" is I put the boat away back in October….

Ours went into the garage back in late Sept. Will be there until about Apr/May I imagine. Cat in Alaska

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I don’t know about where others are,but the weather here is just fantastic!

 Been beautiful up in Wisconsin. Temperatures are still holding in the upper 40’s/50’s. We’ve even seen 70’s the past few weeks. Pretty nice for November up here.  My only "gripe" is I put the boat away back in October…. "My point being that when you argue with animal rights activist about "poor starving children" you might just as well bring up aliens from Mars. As they probably know more about that than being poor, starving or children." Verne Dale Anderson  

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I don’t know about where others are,but the weather here is just fantastic!

    Well, Maryland (at least the Baltimore area), is having *warm* weather… a little rain last night, a misty moisty morning,  with the fog burned off to blue skies and sunshine this afternoon. We’re heading out to the lake, so the dogs can run and maybe swim, in a little bit… it’s actually warm enough for me to ditch my shoes today, hooray! (Point of note: that’s anywhere above about 40 degrees, for me. <g) So it’s striper for dinner,with swiss chard from the garden and stuffed broiled tomatoes,and rice pilaf… Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

   Sounds good….  you’re giving me ideas for dinner! Though I can’t compete with fresh-caught fish… <G – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Everyone all good thoughts,and hope your Sunday is as great as mine has been,so far…

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Hi Guys~ I haven’t been posting much,as just have been out living the sporting life. : ) I don’t know about where others are,but the weather here is just fantastic! This morning got into the sailing dory,did a bit of fishing (no luck) and a lot of scalloping (mucho luck) and then two of the brown dogs,hubby ad myself,sailed into ‘Fishmonger’s" for breakfast. Everyone was taking pics of Ati and Keeper just being "perfectly beautiful" waiting at the drawbridge for us to return. It really was a classic photo.Two Chessies in a 19th Century Lowell Dory.  In fact I think I am going to do the Christmas pics this year of them all in the ‘Polly N" with them all decorated up. : ) Anyway, after a super breakfast of breakfast burritos,and great coffee, (yes, this place is a favourite) we went back to the boat,and went fly fishing for stripers. Guess what??? Got a HUGE keeper,and Keeper who is quite the "FISHERDOG",went out to retrieve it! So it’s striper for dinner,with swiss chard from the garden and stuffed broiled tomatoes,and rice pilaf… Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Everyone all good thoughts,and hope your Sunday is as great as mine has been,so far… Woof! Paulette~ A dogs life is too short…    Their only fault,really…

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<snip That kinda defeats the purpose.  It’s just not the same giving a boxed gift as opposed to something handmade especially for an individual.

  I would definitely agree with this comment! I know my son cherishes his rod I made for him! Especially if he gets to help you make it. Gary

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Another way to go is to find a suitable spinning rod blank and make it into a fly rod. I did this for my son when he was about 6. We went down to Shoff’s Tackle (http://www.shofftackle.com/) and found a 6′ 2 piece blank that seemed to have a nice light action. Once I made the rod up it took a 5wt and cast like a dream.

Anyone else try this, I would be interested in hearing your results. Tim Apple

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I have to agree with this.  I started my 9 year old son this year, thinking that a 7′6" rod would be better since he is smaller.  We tried several rods, and he had an easier time with an 8′6" rod. The extra length helps him keep the line off the ground and helps to generate a little more line speed. I have built three rods on the PacBay blanks from H&H, 9′ 3wt, 7′9" 3wt, and 9′ 7wt.  The 9′ 3wt is REALLY nice.  The 7′9" rod could stand a 4wt line easily.  I haven’t had enough time with the 7wt to form much of an opinion yet, haven’t had it on water yet. The PacBay and H&H brand blanks are identical except for color. Ted – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know nothing about building rods. But as to going shorter and lighter because its a kid . . . I wouldn’t. The requirements of the stream and fish don’t change with the size of the fisher.  So, I’d go for an 8, 8.5, 4 to 6 weight, assuming a mix of bass, trout, occasional searun and silvers, plus that big old carp he will eventually staulk one summer. Id go for sturdy and full size. Besides, kids tend to look on stuff scaled for them as "kid stuff". "Real stuff" is adult sized. Dave

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I would advise against a 2 weight for a beginner. I have a 2 weight and I love it, I  use it more than all my other rods combined, but, as my brother puts it "takes forever to cast line out using light rods". Two weeks ago a guide described my brother to a fellow as "the guy that casts 50 ft with a 1 weight rod in THAT wind" (it was a very windy day in Paradise Valley). IMHO, a short 4 weight would be a much better choice for a young beginner. There are numerous very light, short 4 weight rods that ought to do the trick. -Vittorio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : have a 6′6" 2wt blank that with web discount sells for $36. I have no experience, but doesn’t everyone say that a kid shouldn’t be started on very light-weight rods, like a 2wt? Don’t know, I’ve heard conflicting opinions.  My gut feeling tells me that for a little kid, a short lightweight rod will be easier to handle. If you really want a light-weight rod, many people will second my on saying: just buy him the Cabela’s 3forks 3wt combo. Rod, reel, line, leader, no hassle, $49 or so. BTW, it’s a 7′6" rod. That kinda defeats the purpose.  It’s just not the same giving a boxed gift as opposed to something handmade especially for an individual. Thanks,      - Ken — "Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish  they are after."    - Henry David Thoreau

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Ken I’ve casted a number of 6′ 6" rods and I’ve only ever liked one as they transmitted very little feel to the hand. Personally, I’d prefer a slower rod, but it doesn’t seem like anyone produces shorter rods with slow actions.  Anyone have a suggestion? Try a fibatube deluxe carbon fly rod (this company produces the

blanks for Hardys).As you may know an equivalent rod thru Hardy will cost you double. You can buy a completed rod in England FIBATUBE 7 ft 2pc for

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What happened to my original thread?

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What is a boobie? Buzzer?

Hi Michael, A Booby is a particular type of lure, I’m surprised no-one has described one sooner. Take for example a Black Booby. Hook            Long shank #10 Tail            Black marabou Body            Black chenille with silver rib   Hackle          Black cock The Booby bit           Two polystyrene/ ethafoam beads about 3/16" diam tied at the eye of the hook. The beads are encased in a small piece of nylon stocking and tied in with a figure of 8 whipping (better still a piece of surgical rubber such as condom rubber – waterproof see!) Fished on a very short leader, about 18" with a fast sink line. Allow to sink to the bottom and retrieve slowly. Takes can be vicious. As a method of fishing, I agree with one contributor to this thread, it is boring, but just the thing when you want a bit of a rest to sip that single malt. — Bill http://www.graigroad.demon.co.uk

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<snip questions answered by Michael 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink?

Probably a bit dirty. Clean it with a very mild detergent solution, rinse well then treat it with Mucilin. 6. … How about Boobies?

Don’t know anything about UK boobies, but here in the states if you want boobies, especially the gorgeous, perky young ones, it’s best to troll with a late model sports car. — Ken Fortenberry

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Nice one!

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Sometimes you just don’t know the depth to fish. In that case I use a sinking line (they sink at different rates, so make certain you know your line). On the first few casts I’ll let it sink for 5 seconds before I start retrieving. I then go to 10 seconds and so forth until I find the correct depth.  Not as scientific as some methods,  but it usually works if you have enough patience. DLH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1. Any general rules for depth  (when I cant see the fish) Depth will primarily depend on what the fish are feeding on, and the temperature of the water.  On a hot summer day, you often get a layer of very warm water on top, and cool water underneath.  In winter you get the opposite effect.  Fish will therefore be deep.  (How deep will depend on lake and feeding behavior).  While in early spring, optimum temperatures will be in the top layer, as in late fall.  At some times of the year, fish can be anywhere in the water column. 2. Any general hotspots Generally fish hang out where there is 1) food; 2) optimum temperature; 3) protection from predators.  Typical hotspots include: — in spring fed lakes, in summer, springholes where cool water enters the lake, producing optimum temperatures — inlets, where incoming streams wash in food and/or produce optimum temperatures — drop offs which provide deep water protection with easy access to shallows holding bait fish for food. 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink? Beats me. 4. How do I guess what colour buzzer etc to use? Is a buzzers a streamer/bucktail?  Try to check out baitfish in lake. If you can’t determine, start with something close to the bottom color, e.g. brown, olive. 5. Does the size of fly depend on lake size? Not necessarily. 6. Is it easier to catch with a lure/ streamer than nymph or buzzer? How about Boobies? What is a boobie? Buzzer? Michael — www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/3363 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Don’t know anything about UK boobies, but here in the states if you want boobies, especially the gorgeous, perky young ones, it’s best to troll with a late model sports car.

Cash works as well as the sports car Ken, and its a great deal less bulky, but somehow I’ve managed to lose the manual on how to acquire either.  Can you help me out here?

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… I’ve managed to lose the manual on how to acquire either.  Can you help me out here?

Buy low, sell high. Hope this helps. — Ken Fortenberry

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1. Any general rules for depth  (when I cant see the fish)

Use a weigted nymph or streamer ( lure )  and "count down"  until you get a strike.  Technique is cast, count until bottom is felt, retrieve. Cast again, count minus ten ad retrieve etc.  This works best with sinking lines, but will also wortk with nymphs etc on a very long leader. 2. Any general hotspots

Around sunken hedges and similar, it takes a while to get to know the hotspots on stillwaters.  One tip though, do not fish with the wind at your back just because it is comfortable. Fish into the wind, and try the margins first before wading in etc. If the prevailing wind has been in the same direction for some time lots of surface food etc will be very close to the bank opposite to the direction the wind is blowing. A woolly bugger or wormfly or stick fly drawn over the stones etc especially in a slight wave right in the margins is usually successful. Dont forget to try dry flies, Chew and Blagdon are noted for the good surface activity. Hoppers, and similar are a good bet. 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink?

It may be dirty, clean it with warm soapy water. Most things from Airflo are rubbish, includng their lines and rods. Buy a Cortland !!!!!!! 4. How do I guess what colour buzzer etc to use?

Try black first, then brown , then green then red, or fish a team to start with and use the one that gets the most hits. It is also possible to see buzzers hatching, take a small pair of binoculars along, and scan the water carefully. The shucks from the last hatch will ofetn be floating in the margins, and also check the spiders webs on the bushes in the area, these will have example of the last hatches stuck in them. Saves a lot of guesswork. Also you can ask one of the regulars, they are usually happy to help. Just dont clump up like a bloody elephant and disturb anyones fishing. Wait if necessary until they stop for a smoke or something. 5. Does the size of fly depend on lake size?

No, it depends on the size of the natural which you wish to imitate. Lake size is immaterial. Buzzers vary in size considerably, but sizes 12 14 and 16 are common. A snipe and purple and a partridge and orange are also excellent buzzer imitations, and catch remarkably well. 6. Is it easier to catch with a lure/ streamer than nymph or buzzer? How about Boobies?

Depends what you mean by easy. Lure fishing means continuous long casting with basically a fish imitation. It is sometimes very successful, sometimes not.  Buzzers ( midge pupae, Chironomid = non biting midges )  are usually fished static, or at least evyr slowly indeed,in the surface film. Booby fishing is usually quite deadly, technique = sinking line, short leader, no more than three feet, and down to ten inches. Cast sinking line out, allow to sink to bottom, retrieve in short pulls which causes the foam headed booby to dive towards the bottom like a fry heading for shelter. Bright fluorescent boobies work well for rainbows, more sober colours, black brown etc for browns. The technique is effective but boring. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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<snip questions answered by Michael 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink? Probably a bit dirty. Clean it with a very mild detergent solution, rinse well then treat it with Mucilin.

Hi Ken, I would beg to differ, you should on no account treat modern floating lines with Mucilin, this will damage the coating. If a dressing is required Cortland line dressing is about the best. TL MC

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Hi Ken, I would beg to differ, you should on no account treat modern floating lines with Mucilin, this will damage the coating. If a dressing is required Cortland line dressing is about the best.

Hmm. There are two Mucilins. The red Mucilin is mostly animal fat and has never hurt any of my lines so far as I can tell. The green Mucilin is a silicone paste and I’m not familiar with it. I find the Cortland to be somewhat hard to apply because it tends to clump up and make a mess. Have you tried the PZ Plasticiser ? I haven’t but it sounds good. — Ken Fortenberry

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<SNIPPED Have you tried the PZ Plasticiser ? I haven’t but it sounds good. — Ken Fortenberry

Hi Ken, I spoke to the former president of Cortland not long ago on this very subject. He confirmed that dressings, other than those recommended by the manufacturer, should be avoided.  At one time it was of no particular consequence, as long as you avoided petrochemical derivatives and one or two chemicals like DEET, and some suntan lotions  or similar. Nowadays the line coatings are so complex that it is best to avoid dressings at all if you are not sure what to use. The possibilites are in the meantime endless, even not taking things like albolene,  rain-x, vaseline,   and God knows what else into account, I do not use these, simply because I do not know what is in them, and what effect it may have on my line. I do not doubt for one second that some of them work very well.  The Cortland dressing is the best I have found up to now, I wash my lines after every outing in warm soapy water, let them dry,to the floaters I then apply a thin coat of the Cortland stuff by pulling the line slowly through the applicator and buff it off again using a soft cloth.  Never had a problem, and I have some lines that are well over ten years old and still in regular use. I have some even older ones as well, but they are a bit stiff, so I dont use them anymore. Some pastes contain solvents besides the dressing, this will at first do no obvious harm to the line, but after a while the plasticizers will be leeched out and small cracks will start to appear, shortly after that the line becomes useless.  I have seen lines damaged very badly after only being used a dozen times, it was not always possible to find out why, and may in fact have been faulty lines occasionally, but in the main the damage was due to incorrect line dressing or contamination, and on several occasions heat stress, or fume damage ( line left in boot [trunk] of car with petrol [gas] tanks etc ), fine grit adhering to some line dressings will also damage a line very quickly indeed, which would not happen if there was no dressing on it. I can see no point in buying a nice expensive line and then using some cheap dressing of largely unknown content and efficiency on it.  I dont put olive oil in my car engine either, although this would work, and be cheaper, but with what effects and for how long ? I buy the best engine oil I can get which the manufacturer recommends. While it is probable that the potential damage done by certain products is minimal, why take the chance ?  For the same reason I dont use the plasticizer products, they contain solvents which contain the plasticizers, and these may have a deleterious effect on the line with time. The plasticizer content in most modern products is designed to last the normal useful life of the product, it is unlikely that additives will extend this useful life by much if at all. The plasticizers added at manufacture are an integral component  of the plastic, those added at a later stage will only affect the surface of the line if at all, deep penetration would require a transport medium such as a solvent, and there you have "catch 22" again. I know a guy who uses bacon fat to treat his line and his leaders and his flies when necessary, and he swears the "flavour" helps as well, he may be right, but I think I will stick to my method for the time being. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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it’s dirty….clean it with a soft soap..treat it with cortland or airflo dressin, and wallah…as new. the airflo 7000ts is a fine and genuine hi-tech fly line for y2k and beyond. if you ain’t fished it… your loss. a blatant advertisement brought to you by the likes of that dastardly self promoter, laurie and jo wooer, dahlwhinnie sipper this fine eve (thanks t.), and general rascal, wataugan walt… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip questions answered by Michael 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink? Probably a bit dirty. Clean it with a very mild detergent solution, rinse well then treat it with Mucilin. Hi Ken, I would beg to differ, you should on no account treat modern floating lines with Mucilin, this will damage the coating. If a dressing is required Cortland line dressing is about the best. TL MC

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1. Any general rules for depth  (when I cant see the fish) 2. Any general hotspots 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink? 4. How do I guess what colour buzzer etc to use? 5. Does the size of fly depend on lake size? 6. Is it easier to catch with a lure/ streamer than nymph or buzzer? How about Boobies? Thanks in advance

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1. Any general rules for depth  (when I cant see the fish)

Depth will primarily depend on what the fish are feeding on, and the temperature of the water.  On a hot summer day, you often get a layer of very warm water on top, and cool water underneath.  In winter you get the opposite effect.  Fish will therefore be deep.  (How deep will depend on lake and feeding behavior).  While in early spring, optimum temperatures will be in the top layer, as in late fall.  At some times of the year, fish can be anywhere in the water column. 2. Any general hotspots

Generally fish hang out where there is 1) food; 2) optimum temperature; 3) protection from predators.  Typical hotspots include: — in spring fed lakes, in summer, springholes where cool water enters the lake, producing optimum temperatures — inlets, where incoming streams wash in food and/or produce optimum temperatures — drop offs which provide deep water protection with easy access to shallows holding bait fish for food. 3. Why does my Airflo 7000 floating line start to sink?

Beats me. 4. How do I guess what colour buzzer etc to use?

Is a buzzers a streamer/bucktail?  Try to check out baitfish in lake. If you can’t determine, start with something close to the bottom color, e.g. brown, olive. 5. Does the size of fly depend on lake size?

Not necessarily. 6. Is it easier to catch with a lure/ streamer than nymph or buzzer? How about Boobies?

What is a boobie? Buzzer? Michael — www.geocities.com/yosemite/falls/3363 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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______ The prettiest Western Dry Fly in all the world.  I don’t know about Eastern opinions on this but  I suppose it would have to be the Light Cahill or Hendrickson?  I love them all, really.  I love dry flies, period. I wish some of you would start submitting your signature fly to our "Flies of the World" web site listed below.  See Mike Connor’s examples.  Don’t any of you eastern boys know how to tie a dry fly for christ sake?  You guys have only one good fly tier their, I think and his name is George Harvey.  I thought he taught fly tying out that way in Pennsylvania and about?  You DO know what a dry fly is in North Carolina now, don’t you boys?  They sure don’t, in Arkansas. ; ) George *twitch —

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Anyone out there heard of a good trailing shuck imitation.  In jams, I’ve used panty-hose, and of course z-lon when tying.

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Anyone out there heard of a good trailing shuck imitation.  In jams, I’ve used panty-hose, and of course z-lon when tying.  I want something a little better. Any suggestions? Thanks- J W Kramer @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@   "See Dick fly-fish.    See Dick catch fish.    See Dick kill fish."           DON’T BE A DICK!  PRACTICE AND TEACH CATCH AND RELEASE @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@

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Salmom are running, but if fly fishing is your thing check out the Salmon River which is not too far from you or the Scott River also.

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– My wife made reservations for a family vacation on the Klamath near Happy Camp. I am a beginner at flyfishing who is trying to get his teenage son interested. From what I read about the area, early July is not the time to fish the Klamath. It seems to be a Fall/Spring steelhead river. Is there flyfishing there in July? Which of the many feeder streams might be a good bet? Not only would I be gratful to catch and release a few fish but it might turm my son on to a positive experience. Thanks! Feel free to respond by e-mail.

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: dblehaul asks, "what kind of fly line for fishing nymphs on the : bottom… : Use your floating line and a weighted nymp.   Add split shot if you need : it until you can feel it ticking on the bottom, or hang on the bottom : periodically.  Much better control than a sink tip in moving water for : nymphing. Ditto. This set-up has worked great here in Colorado.

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what type of line do you think would be best for fishing nymphs on the bottom (of a stream that is)..i was thinking about a fast sink tip where the first 15 feet sink..i won’t be fishing EXTREMELY deep water…any suggestions? Frankie

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dblehaul asks, "what kind of fly line for fishing nymphs on the

bottom… Use your floating line and a weighted nymp.   Add split shot if you need it until you can feel it ticking on the bottom, or hang on the bottom periodically.  Much better control than a sink tip in moving water for nymphing.

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You may want to take a look at a Teeny Nymph line.  Fantastic! Robert < Robert  <

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I agree wholeheartedly

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: what type of line do you think would be best for fishing nymphs on the : bottom (of a stream that is)..i was thinking about a fast sink tip where : the first 15 feet sink..i won’t be fishing EXTREMELY deep water…any : suggestions? : Frankie         I haven’t tried every line on the market, but I had a lot of success using the Teeny Lines. For your particular case I can mention two line types:                 – T series (T130-7200) for 5-8 Wt Lines. They have a long sinking Tip (maybe some 25 feet) and they sink extremely fast.                 – Mini Tip. This line uses a 5 feet sinking section allowing a good nymph fishing.         If the stream your are going after isn’t more than feet deep I suggest you use the Mini-Tip. Otherwise, I would highly recommend one of the T-Series Lines (for your situation I think the T-130 is better).         I just looked on my Dan Bailey’s Catalog and saw:                         T-130 : $49.95                         Mini-Tip : $47.95                                                 ( 209 West Park St.                                                   PO BOX 1019                                                   Livingston, Montana                                                   59047-1019  ) THANKS GOD FOR FLY FISHING!!!!                                         RODRIGO SANDOVAL

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