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Why are you about to send them all to Italy?

I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR

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I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR

U.N. Cool.  Go out and thump mellons for the "World Team."  I would contact U.S. Customs.  Many times in my moves around the world, I had a customs agent on site when they packed my goods up.  Its their job.  Explain the situation, and tell them what you have.  They will be able to tell you what to do.  The best thing to do is make sure the odd bits (polar bear, dodo, and such) are packaged in and American wrapper (Wapsi, Orvis…).  It then comes under the commercial products for personnal use heading vice "trapped or hunted furs and pelts."  The latter is a pain in the butt. Secondarily, when you ship, package it all together and label it "craft materials."  They understand crafts alot more than the nuances of fly tying. Cheers. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR

Good luck and stay safe JR!  Hope you find some fishing opportunities! –Stan

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Why are you about to send them all to Italy? I’ve taken a job with the Food and Agriculture Organization of the U.N. for a couple of years, in Rome. JR

Is there a relocation company handling matters for you? They should be able to help. Paul

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Good luck and stay safe JR!  Hope you find some fishing opportunities!

Thanks, Stan.  Compared to a lot of places I’ve lived, the greatest danger in Rome will be from all the beautiful women, and I reckon I can live with that.  A couple of weeks ago, a fellow named Bepo from Friuli posted here, and I’ve been grilling him by email about the fishing there.  Turns out he’s a freshwater fisheries biologist, so he knows a lot.  ROFF delivers yet again!!! JR

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U.S. Customs.  Many times in my moves around the world, I had a customs agent on site when they packed my goods up.  Its their job.  Explain the situation, and tell them what you have.  They will be able to tell you what to do.  The best thing to do is make sure the odd bits (polar bear, dodo, and such) are packaged in and American wrapper (Wapsi, Orvis…).  It then comes under the commercial products for personnal use heading vice "trapped or hunted furs and pelts."  The latter is a pain in the butt. Secondarily, when you ship, package it all together and label it "craft materials."  They understand crafts alot more than the nuances of fly tying.

Good advice.  Fortunately, many of the more expensive items, that I’d least like to see confiscated, are Whiting capes and saddles still in their original, labeled zip-lock bags.  As you say, it turns out (according to Kaufmann’s) that products from commercially raised domesticated animals (chickens, rabbits, calves, etc.) are easier to deal with than products from wild animals (deer, elk, etc.), which, to be exported legally, require an inspection by USFW. JR

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Is there a relocation company handling matters for you? They should be able to help.

They were being all spacey for a while, alternating between confusion and breezy nonchalance ("Oh, probably there’ll be no problem…").  I’ve been pushing them about being sure to get the appropriate customs and fish and wildlife clearances leaving the U.S., based on what I’ve found out from Kaufmann’s, Hunter’s Angling, and other folks.  Now they’re coming around. JR

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John, have you inquired with the UN to see if you can get your stuff into Italy in something like a "diplomatic pouch"?  I should think UN personnel would have something like "diplomatic immunity." BTW, my younger duaghter lives in Terni, an hour or two north of Rome. She tells me a river flows through Terni that is full of fish, but she has no idea what kind.   She’s coming for Easter; I’ll see what more I can find out. vince

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John, have you inquired with the UN to see if you can get your stuff into Italy in something like a "diplomatic pouch"?  I should think UN personnel would have something like "diplomatic immunity." BTW, my younger duaghter lives in Terni, an hour or two north of Rome. She tells me a river flows through Terni that is full of fish, but she has no idea what kind. She’s coming for Easter; I’ll see what more I can find out.

Thanks, Vince.  Folks at my level in the organization have some very nice privileges and a quasi-diplomatic status, but not quite immunity.   The pouch is out of the question, but in fact things are shaping up.  It was the local moving company here that was at a loss; the shippers in DC that subcontracted them are pretty much on top of everything now that I’ve expressed my concern. I’d like to hear about waters close to Rome.  All the best trout water I’ve ID’d up til now is too far north for weekend jaunts, but I suspect there is some "lesser quality" water in the Apennines, and I don’t mind fishing for warm water species as well.  Plus, what with a gazillion and a half miles of coastline, there must be a saltwater fish or two that can be taken with a fly.  It’s been said here on ROFF before:  if you’re open-minded and a bit adventuresome, you can always find something worthwhile to fish for. BTW, have fun at the Penns ‘Clave. JR

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I’d like to hear about waters close to Rome.

I was in Rome for about four months a few years back. I didn’t have my fishing gear, but I do recall there being a nice sporting goods store right near the Sisto bridge, across from Trastevere. It wasn’t on the main road that parallels the Tiber, but the "access road" that paralleled that. The exterior was non-descript but they had some very nice gear inside (including fly gear and some really nice shotguns, IIRC). Not much to go on, I realize, but there are worse ways to spend an afternoon than wandering that area looking for a flyshop . Have fun…I’m sure you will! – Sid …and buy your coffee for home brewing at Castroni…you won’t be sorry! …and, umm, you guys hiring?

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…… I do recall there being a nice sporting goods store right near the Sisto bridge, across from Trastevere. It wasn’t on the main road that parallels the Tiber, but the "access road" that

Now you’re talkin. …and buy your coffee for home brewing at Castroni…you won’t be sorry!

Now you’re REALLY talkin.  Thanks, Sid. JR

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I’m about to ship all my fly tying materials to Italy.  Does anyone know what sort of documentation might be required to avoid problems getting bird and animal skins into Italy and then getting them eventually back into the U.S.? JR Why are you about to send them all to Italy?

Folks, we have the first bidder. Tim

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I’m about to ship all my fly tying materials to Italy.  Does anyone know what sort of documentation might be required to avoid problems getting bird and animal skins into Italy and then getting them eventually back into the U.S.? JR

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I’m about to ship all my fly tying materials to Italy.  Does anyone know what sort of documentation might be required to avoid problems getting bird and animal skins into Italy and then getting them eventually back into the U.S.? JR

Why are you about to send them all to Italy?

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I live 20 miles southeast of dayton and trying to find some streams or rivers to fish for trout if possible since i’m still new to fly fishing , I have only been in the lakes and ponds fishing for bass and bluegill .   So far I have found alot of areas to fish for bass, bluegill and carp but not one trout yet , any info would help and would be appreciated .

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What’s the first rank after tenderfoot? Well, anyhow, having just gotten beyond that myself, let me be the first to chastise you for not doing a simple search….you might have discovered these links… http://www.state.oh.us/agr/trout.html http://www.activedayton.com/community/groups/mvff/Stream_Reports.html http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/wildlife/fishing/fairport/page6.html http://www.fishohio.net/ http://home.att.net/~tumadmen/Links/links.html http://www.flyshop.com/Centers/Midwest/7-98Mad/ http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/wildlife/fishing/ http://home.att.net/~jorgeddr/fish.htm ..but then we all learn don’t we? And one thing you’ll learn is that it is a popular misconception is that fly fishing means trout. Granted the two go hand in hand, particular in mountain streams where fly fishing lends itself much more readily to the circumstances. For trout, it’s but a few hours to the Smokies, or even West Virginia if you wish to get away a little bit. Ohio is not exactly a trout fisherman’s paradise but they can be found…… I figure you have to be down around Ceasars Creek somewhere. Now, I pounded many a fruitless hour on the distant streams while learning how to fish for trout (spooky little devils they are) when I should have been fishing my local waters…for smallmouth bass. Brush Creek, the Little Miami, Ceasars creek from the spillway to the Little Miami, any of the roller dams on the Miami are productive and I like the Miami above Dayton in particular. The upper Mad is good for trout and the lower Mad is dynamite for smallmouth bass…..yes these streams are smallmouth bass streams. Smallmouth are the dominate fish here in Ohio. Don’t ignore good fishing just because you have a flyrod and think that you *have* to fish for trout.  I fish for all species of fish, using a flyrod exclusively, not using a flyrod exclusively for trout….

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I live 20 miles southeast of dayton and trying to find some streams or rivers to fish for trout if possible since i’m still new to fly fishing , I have only been in the lakes and ponds fishing for bass and bluegill .   So far I have found alot of areas to fish for bass, bluegill and carp but not one trout yet , any info would help and would be appreciated .

Just catching up on ROFF and noticed your post. You can get trout in the Mad River above Urbana off RT 68.  Go up there about 8-12 miles past Urbana and take one of many township roads that go left and cross over the Mad.  It is about 20-30 ft wide in this area and does hold trout in the smaller size range, mostly under 10 in.  They are a wary bunch and difficult to catch but they are there.  There is a certain hole up there that holds a number of over 12 in trout on a regular basis but I can’t remember off hand what the crossroad is, but could possibly look it up in my Ohio Gazetteer map which at this moment is in my truck, four floors down from my condo in Florida.  If you are going up there I could probably try to find that little mark on the map for you, let me know. Also,  try   http://www.madriveroutfitters.com/   They guide up there on a regular basis. Regards,  Jim McCreary

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the first rank after tenderfoot? Well, anyhow, having just gotten beyond that myself, let me be the first to chastise you for not doing a simple search….you might have discovered these links… http://www.state.oh.us/agr/trout.html http://www.activedayton.com/community/groups/mvff/Stream_Reports.html http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/wildlife/fishing/fairport/page6.html http://www.fishohio.net/ http://home.att.net/~tumadmen/Links/links.html http://www.flyshop.com/Centers/Midwest/7-98Mad/ http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/odnr/wildlife/fishing/ http://home.att.net/~jorgeddr/fish.htm ..but then we all learn don’t we? And one thing you’ll learn is that it is a popular misconception is that fly fishing means trout. Granted the two go hand in hand, particular in mountain streams where fly fishing lends itself much more readily to the circumstances. For trout, it’s but a few hours to the Smokies, or even West Virginia if you wish to get away a little bit. Ohio is not exactly a trout fisherman’s paradise but they can be found…… I figure you have to be down around Ceasars Creek somewhere. Now, I pounded many a fruitless hour on the distant streams while learning how to fish for trout (spooky little devils they are) when I should have been fishing my local waters…for smallmouth bass. Brush Creek, the Little Miami, Ceasars creek from the spillway to the Little Miami, any of the roller dams on the Miami are productive and I like the Miami above Dayton in particular. The upper Mad is good for trout and the lower Mad is dynamite for smallmouth bass…..yes these streams are smallmouth bass streams. Smallmouth are the dominate fish here in Ohio. Don’t ignore good fishing just because you have a flyrod and think that you *have* to fish for trout.  I fish for all species of fish, using a flyrod exclusively, not using a flyrod exclusively for trout….

gawdangit john, if feasible, yer ugly mug would be most welcome to accompany my equally, if not more so hideous self on a trout stream or two… or three. ya know the place, ya know da number… –waldo

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Question:

Is it possible for you or I to create a newsgroup? If so can you tell me how. Chris

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Is it possible for you or I to create a newsgroup? If so can you tell me how.

It is possible, but highly unlikely, that as few as 100 people could create a Usenet newsgroup. Posting such a query to a Usenet flyfishing group isn’t the best way to get a how-to. Go to the news.admin.* hierarchy. — Ken Fortenberry

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Kiyu,   Or you could buy a Blood Knot Machine.  See http://home.earthlink.net/~eharrison241 . Ernie

Aw Geez!!!! Or you could buy a Blood Knot Machine. See http://home.earthlink.net/~eharrison241 .

Sorry Ernie. Shoulda prefaced my post with that.<G Check is in the mail. Do I have to wear a blindfold to operate this thing or can I peek?<G Kiyu

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Kiyu,   Or you could buy a Blood Knot Machine.  See http://home.earthlink.net/~eharrison241 .

____  Why buy a Blood Knot Machine when I already have the fingers trained? New Motto:  Free Knots by Hands, Inc. : ) — MrG/American Sportsman http://www.gink.com/ "the saga continues"

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  Or you could buy a Blood Knot Machine.  See http://home.earthlink.net/~eharrison241 . Ernie Aw Geez!!!! Sorry Ernie. Shoulda prefaced my post with that.<G Check is in the mail. Do I have to wear a blindfold to operate this thing or can I peek?<G Kiyu

I don’t know Kiyu, you probably could tie one with a blindfold, but I need all the help I can get. Ernie

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That IS weird. The weakest link for me is invariably the double surgeons between leader and tippet. It is possible to attach tippet with a blood/barrel knot astream, I saw a guide do just that with an elaborate sequence of hand over hand maneuvers and a deft twist of the wrist. If I could master that technique my leader to tippet connection would be quite a bit stronger, but what the hell, if you’re snagged the line has to break somewhere. — Ken Fortenberry

I used to do both types of clinch knots but now I’ve converted to the uni-knot as it is very quick, good for geezerhood afflicted eyesight and not noticeably weaker than any other.  One good thing about the uni, if you screw up, it breaks easily in a pull test.  It’s a habit now after losing so many nice fish, I pull test each knot. I lost a lot of fish on my western trip because I had grown careless in how I tightened my double surgeon knots.   I follow this regime rigidly now: 1.  Form identical loops and equal length tags. 2.  Wet knot very well. 3.  Pull tight with tags and main line together. 4.  Ensure tightness by pulling down on the thin tag. 5.  Trim tags. 6.  NEVER tighten by pulling on the tippet and leader only.  It pinches the tippet a millimetre or so down from the knot.  Basically, the tippet gets extruded through the tightened knot.  The knot can be pull tested plus running the loop back and forth as a vertical upside-down "U" will expose any weak kink as it will fold at that point. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I went up to Waterville with Ed the other night. Nice report, Dave. Thanks for writing it up.

You’re welcome. heading out for the hex hatches shortly and I will report on that too… … I sat fumbling with a small caddis fly, unable to "stuff the loop" and finish the knot (I fear my vision is starting to show it’s age), … No use fighting the approach of geezerhood, you’re just moments away from Metamucil cocktails and liver spots. As far as "stuff the loop", does that mean you’re tying an improved clinch ? I used to use the improved clinch but read somewhere that unless you tie it exactly perfect it’s actually LESS strong than a regular clinch. Since then I’ve been using the regular clinch, with exactly 5 turns, and it’s worked out well.

metamucil??? GAK!!! ’tis no doubt regrettably true, sooner or later I will get there. Geezerhood, my I’ll be working my way up in the world. My 20/10 vision is finally burning out, no doubt from squinting at SQL statements trying to figure out how to join a couple of tables and not bury our database server…sigh…(he chants "I hate Oracle 8.1.6, I hate oracle…") guess I’m a bit old fashioned, but the improved clinch works ok for me, I usually break off at my blood knots if I break at all, but the old standard Maxima seems to be pretty damn good to me most of the time. Flyfish

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 I recently "discovered" the surgeons knot and took to  it because it is simple.  But I started to experience  knot failures, so I’ve returned to the version of the  blood knot in Sosin & Kreh’s book.  It’s more difficult  but it’s doable, even when you’re trying to tie one with  fish visible all around you.  It works for a broad range  of differences in lines, though you may have to increase  the number of turns.  One combination that does *not*  work well, tho it shouldn’t be an issue in fly fishing, is  Fireline to softer fluorocarbon lines such as the Stren.

Double up the Fireline using a Spider Hitch and use double uni-knots to joint it to comparable strength mono. Mu

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Hi Dave, Good to see you back! Went afishin’ with Lloyd Hielbrunn today.  He is a ROFFian up from Florida. Just what Boone, NC needs another Floridian!  Lloyd and I will hit the speed bumps of Upper Creek in the morning, in honor of Daytripper. Fishy report to follow tomorrow’s activities. Hasta Las Vegas Opie  –Settin’ up another sucker–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve Z. writes: The improved loop pretty much doubles the amount of time it takes me to tie the clinch knot (and recent events have convinced me to keep that time to a minimum , so I’d *love* to believe that it doesn’t help. But it sure seems to in my case. Of course, there might be other explanations for my hook-loss reduction–better casting means a healthier tippet, perhaps I "play" the fish better now, maybe the fact that I only catch small fish means no break-offs <g, etc etc. I hafta go along with Forty on this one.  I tie a clinch knot using a tool — at least 5 turns, sometimes 6 — and I seldom have a failure.  When I do have a failure it is with a knot that I tied quickly and didn’t test by pulling hard on it.  Always use spit to reduce the friction. Dave, back from another wonderful trip to Maine watching my grandsons catch big brookies…..

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Kiyu,    Or you could buy a Blood Knot Machine.  See http://home.earthlink.net/~eharrison241 . Ernie "Kiyu" wrote <snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A few years ago at the Fly Fishermen site they posted an article from a reader about a simplified method of tying the blood knot. He tied the ends of the leader & tippet together with a simple overhand knot then made a loop keeping the overhand knot at the top. He then fed the tippet through the loop six times, holding the tippet & leader apart with his thumb & finger at the third pass. He fed the overhand knot down through the separated tippet & leader made at the third pass. He pulled it snug then snipped off the overhand knot. The only problem with this is the tag ends both go through the center of the knot from the same direction. The knot works well but I spent a lot of time trying to figure out a simple way to get the tag ends to feed through from opposite sides the way they are supposed to be. Thought about it ’til my head hurt but couldn’t improve it. Kiyu

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That IS weird. The weakest link for me is invariably the double surgeons between leader and tippet. It is possible to attach tippet with a blood/barrel knot astream, I saw a guide do just that with an elaborate sequence of hand over hand maneuvers and a deft twist of the wrist. If I could master that technique my leader to tippet connection would be quite a bit stronger, but what the hell, if you’re snagged the line has to break somewhere.

Ken, A few years ago at the Fly Fishermen site they posted an article from a reader about a simplified method of tying the blood knot. He tied the ends of the leader & tippet together with a simple overhand knot then made a loop keeping the overhand knot at the top. He then fed the tippet through the loop six times, holding the tippet & leader apart with his thumb & finger at the third pass. He fed the overhand knot down through the separated tippet & leader made at the third pass. He pulled it snug then snipped off the overhand knot. The only problem with this is the tag ends both go through the center of the knot from the same direction. The knot works well but I spent a lot of time trying to figure out a simple way to get the tag ends to feed through from opposite sides the way they are supposed to be. Thought about it ’til my head hurt but couldn’t improve it.   One good thing came out of it though. When I tie the surgeons knot I have a heck of a time keeping the knot together. I found that tying the ends together made it a lot easier to feed them through the loop and I can knock the knot out now a lot quicker. Kiyu

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Ken Fortenberry wrote…

[snip] When I brought the issue to ROFF I was told three things: (1) use exactly 5 turns (2) make sure to add the "improved loop" to the knot, and (3) lick the knot before tightening. I was nearly always using 5 turns anyway, but when I added that improved loop, my hook losses all but dissappeared. Sometimes I lick the knot and sometimes I don’t–that doesn’t seem to make an appreciable difference as long as I tighten slowly. [snip] –Steve

Of the 3 items I thing #3 is the most important. I use more than 5 turns for anthing over 5X and only use the improved chinch when tying large hooks on a very light leader. Paul

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Ken writes: That IS weird. The weakest link for me is invariably the double surgeons between leader and tippet.

amen! Like you say later, the blood knot is a pain to do on the fly astream. I see the same weak link in my fishing. Knots of any sort don’t fail often, but chessy double surgeon knots are my dominant culprits.                              Tom Littleton

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Steve Z. writes: The improved loop pretty much doubles the amount of time it takes me to tie the clinch knot (and recent events have convinced me to keep that time to a minimum , so I’d *love* to believe that it doesn’t help. But it sure seems to in my case. Of course, there might be other explanations for my hook-loss reduction–better casting means a healthier tippet, perhaps I "play" the fish better now, maybe the fact that I only catch small fish means no break-offs <g, etc etc.

I hafta go along with Forty on this one.  I tie a clinch knot using a tool — at least 5 turns, sometimes 6 — and I seldom have a failure.  When I do have a failure it is with a knot that I tied quickly and didn’t test by pulling hard on it.  Always use spit to reduce the friction. Dave, back from another wonderful trip to Maine watching my grandsons  catch big brookies…..

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… More than once in the last couple of weeks when I’ve gotten a snag and ended up having to break the line, the knot that has given out first has been the *leader perfection loop* of all things!

That IS weird. The weakest link for me is invariably the double surgeons between leader and tippet. It is possible to attach tippet with a blood/barrel knot astream, I saw a guide do just that with an elaborate sequence of hand over hand maneuvers and a deft twist of the wrist. If I could master that technique my leader to tippet connection would be quite a bit stronger, but what the hell, if you’re snagged the line has to break somewhere. — Ken Fortenberry

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Ken Fortenberry wrote… …does that mean you’re tying an improved clinch ? I used to use the improved clinch but read somewhere that unless you tie it exactly perfect it’s actually LESS strong than a regular clinch. Since then I’ve been using the regular clinch, with exactly 5 turns, and it’s worked out well.

Hmmm. Looks like I’ll have to do some impirical testing because that doesn’t jive with my experience. I used to lose lots of flies, right at the knot. When I brought the issue to ROFF I was told three things: (1) use exactly 5 turns (2) make sure to add the "improved loop" to the knot, and (3) lick the knot before tightening. I was nearly always using 5 turns anyway, but when I added that improved loop, my hook losses all but dissappeared. Sometimes I lick the knot and sometimes I don’t–that doesn’t seem to make an appreciable difference as long as I tighten slowly. The improved loop pretty much doubles the amount of time it takes me to tie the clinch knot (and recent events have convinced me to keep that time to a minimum , so I’d *love* to believe that it doesn’t help. But it sure seems to in my case. Of course, there might be other explanations for my hook-loss reduction–better casting means a healthier tippet, perhaps I "play" the fish better now, maybe the fact that I only catch small fish means no break-offs <g, etc etc. More than once in the last couple of weeks when I’ve gotten a snag and ended up having to break the line, the knot that has given out first has been the *leader perfection loop* of all things! Now I just tie a clincher there instead–and believe me when I tell you that it absolutely, positively does not hinge as I was lead to believe. –Steve

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I went up to Waterville with Ed the other night.

Nice report, Dave. Thanks for writing it up. … I sat fumbling with a small caddis fly, unable to "stuff the loop" and finish the knot (I fear my vision is starting to show it’s age), …

No use fighting the approach of geezerhood, you’re just moments away from Metamucil cocktails and liver spots. As far as "stuff the loop", does that mean you’re tying an improved clinch ? I used to use the improved clinch but read somewhere that unless you tie it exactly perfect it’s actually LESS strong than a regular clinch. Since then I’ve been using the regular clinch, with exactly 5 turns, and it’s worked out well. — Ken Fortenberry

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I went up to Waterville with Ed the other night. When we arrived there were stripers showing on the bar occasionally, some small bass and/or alewives popping here and there and a nice strong caddis hatch in progress. I chose my "new" bamboo, a nice ebay special, a circa 1952 Shakespeare 1305T bamboo. This particular rod came to me a couple of weeks ago and I instantly loved the feel of it. It had the feel that I always expected in a bamboo but never found on the yard sale specials I had come across. It’s 8 1/2′, has a nifty spring loaded unlocking reel seat and throws a DT5 floater and a 6WF sinker pretty nicely. I had only caught one small brookie on it so I didn’t feel the rod had been truly stress tested yet. Ed and I spent some time working some smaller risers on the left shore while we waited for dark. As dark came in we drifted down and over a bit and got in a good spot by a few risers. As fate would have it after a couple of risers had drifted past us I popped my fly off on a poor backcast. Ed was changing flies and it was getting fairly dark out. I sat fumbling with a small caddis fly, unable to "stuff the loop" and finish the knot (I fear my vision is starting to show it’s age), watching a fish rise close to the boat. Ed was in the back having similar problems aggravated by an uncooperative flashlight. I finally got the caddis on and started casting over the fish. Several casts and he moved a bit further out. I couldn’t see my fly on the water, I caught a glimpse of a rise, setup and hooked the fish. He ran a bit upstream, didn’t feel very large and suddenly drove hard upstream and deep. My rod got quite a bend going and I worked hard to get him on the reel. Once on the reel I got him in close by the boat and caught a flash of what looked like a good sized back when he decided to run again. I let the drag work him and he ran any number of times. Finally Ed got the net up and I began to try to pull the fish into the net. My poor little bamboo was bent and stress tested for certain. We netted the fish, took a quick measure (22") and a couple of pics then I put him back in the river and waited for the fish to revive. When the fish was ready he swam off. We guessed the fish was between 4-5lbs, very fat and heavy. In that current, I would be hard pressed to boat a fish that was much larger with that bamboo. I still love the feel of it. We fished until fairly late, working some large stuff over stripers feeding on the bar but didn’t catch another thing. The stripers seem to be loners, just cruising here and there, occasionally raising hell with something or other. Flyfish — dave’s homepage madness http://www.ctel.net/~brooktrout flyfishing in Maine and more

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My physical intuition, such as it is, tells me that a short, stiff mono buttsection tied to the flyline with a nail knot or needle knot is the best rig. Anything "floppy" like a loop-to-loop connection is going to spoil the smooth transfer and dissipation of energy. Completely wrong, I’m afraid. You want floppy…

But not a-section-of-line, followed by a-more-floppy-section-of-line, followed by a-less-floppy-section-of-line.  The more "floppy" the center section is, the more likely it is to hinge.  So I think rw’s intuition is basically correct, assuming loo-to-loop connections are floppy, which I don’t think they necessarily are. …most effective transmission of the diminishing energy that was originally put into the cast. This is what gives optimum turnover. Stiff is NOT what you want: try splicing a short length of old carbon fibre rod top into the end of you line and see what ’stiff’ does for the turnover!

It’s not stiff as in dead stiff.  It’s relatively stiff for it’s diameter. Thus, a smaller diameter than your fly line can have the same absolute flexibility/stiffness as your fly line.  I agree, you don’t want the leader butt stiffer than your fly line, but you want it made out of a stiffer *material*.  Alternatively you could use thicker, more flexible leader butt that still allows taper to a thin tippet. Regards, Jeff

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- My physical intuition, such as it is, tells me that a short, stiff mono buttsection tied to the flyline with a nail knot or needle knot is the best rig. Anything "floppy" like a loop-to-loop connection is going to spoil the smooth transfer and dissipation of energy.

Completely wrong, I’m afraid. You want floppy and you want gradual reduction in unit mass down the line taper and through the leader to the tippet for the most effective transmission of the diminishing energy that was originally put into the cast. This is what gives optimum turnover. Stiff is NOT what you want: try splicing a short length of old carbon fibre rod top into the end of you line and see what ’stiff’ does for the turnover! How do you suppose the energy of a wave passes through a body of water?  Not a lot of ’stiff’ involved there! Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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There you go Jeff gettin’ serious, when I’m tryin’ to have some fun! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My physical intuition, such as it is, tells me that a short, stiff mono buttsection tied to the flyline with a nail knot or needle knot is the best rig. Anything "floppy" like a loop-to-loop connection is going to spoil the smooth transfer and dissipation of energy. Completely wrong, I’m afraid. You want floppy… But not a-section-of-line, followed by a-more-floppy-section-of-line, followed by a-less-floppy-section-of-line.  The more "floppy" the center section is, the more likely it is to hinge.  So I think rw’s intuition is basically correct, assuming loo-to-loop connections are floppy, which I don’t think they necessarily are. …most effective transmission of the diminishing energy that was originally put into the cast. This is what gives optimum turnover. Stiff is NOT what you want: try splicing a short length of old carbon fibre rod top into the end of you line and see what ’stiff’ does for the turnover! It’s not stiff as in dead stiff.  It’s relatively stiff for it’s diameter. Thus, a smaller diameter than your fly line can have the same absolute flexibility/stiffness as your fly line.  I agree, you don’t want the leader butt stiffer than your fly line, but you want it made out of a stiffer *material*.  Alternatively you could use thicker, more flexible leader butt that still allows taper to a thin tippet. Regards, Jeff

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The important thing is to have a smooth transition of mass from flyline to leader.

Even though conventional wisdom say stiff, Lefty Kreh for one says exactly what you do – been experimenting with less stiff, more massive butts myself.. (umm, did that sound a bit weird?) here’s an abrupt doubling of mass along the loops, and a quadrupling of mass at the join. Not good.

makes sense This is all theory and supposition, though. The acid test is practice. In my experience, loop-to-loop connections do not cast well. I’d never use them for dry fly fishing.

I hear ya. Regards, Jeff

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…loo-to-loop connection….

The loo-to-loop connection is typically a generous serving of vodka or similar spirits which invariably results in a great deal of stiffness.  However, this does not last.

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…have you been talking to my wife? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The loo-to-loop connection is typically a generous serving of vodka or similar spirits which invariably results in a great deal of stiffness.  However, this does not last.

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There you go Jeff gettin’ serious, when I’m tryin’ to have some fun!

That’s OK, I reamed you on your blackbeard’s ghost thing just to keep it in balance Regards, Jeff

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My physical intuition, such as it is, tells me that a short, stiff mono buttsection tied to the flyline with a nail knot or needle knot is the best rig. Anything "floppy" like a loop-to-loop connection is going to spoil the smooth transfer and dissipation of energy. Completely wrong, I’m afraid. You want floppy… But not a-section-of-line, followed by a-more-floppy-section-of-line, followed by a-less-floppy-section-of-line.  The more "floppy" the center section is, the more likely it is to hinge.  So I think rw’s intuition is basically correct, assuming loo-to-loop connections are floppy, which I don’t think they necessarily are.

It must be that weird British sense of humor, Jeff. …most effective transmission of the diminishing energy that was originally put into the cast. This is what gives optimum turnover. Stiff is NOT what you want: try splicing a short length of old carbon fibre rod top into the end of you line and see what ’stiff’ does for the turnover! It’s not stiff as in dead stiff.  It’s relatively stiff for it’s diameter. Thus, a smaller diameter than your fly line can have the same absolute flexibility/stiffness as your fly line.  I agree, you don’t want the leader butt stiffer than your fly line, but you want it made out of a stiffer *material*.  Alternatively you could use thicker, more flexible leader butt that still allows taper to a thin tippet.

I agree with Tony up to a point, I suppose. The important thing is to have a smooth transition of mass from flyline to leader. Stiffness is secondary, but I prefer something about as stiff as the flyline. (NOT a section of graphite tip!) If you look at mass, though, the loop-to-loop connections are even worse. There’s an abrupt doubling of mass along the loops, and a quadrupling of mass at the join. Not good. This is all theory and supposition, though. The acid test is practice. In my experience, loop-to-loop connections do not cast well. I’d never use them for dry fly fishing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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As you fish throughout the day, the blood clots should dissolve and your leader ought to smooth out somewhat. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If it is tapered properly it casts quite well. Lot better than bloody knotted horsehair anyway. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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That is a line, not a leader, and when properly controlled does not touch the water, so the stuff stays bloody. Clots are sometimes difficult I agree. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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I have two rods and would like to nail knot the mono to both…one is a 3wt and the other is a 6 wt. Is this Maxima leader material or regular fishing line?

280 yards of Maxima Chameleon is about $6. 30 yards of same is $3 Chameleon is stiff, Ultragreen is limp but I’m not sure how stiff their Clear line is. As far as butt recommendations, it depends on your fly line.  I use a 15 lb test Maxima butt for my Wulff Triangle Taper 3/4 but 20lb is better for my Airflo Long Belly 4.  Try 25 or 30 for your 6 wt. Mu

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff, I have two rods and would like to nail knot the mono to both…one is a 3wt and the other is a 6 wt. Is this Maxima leader material or regular fishing line? Thanks, Tim Tim, it’s leader material but it won’t work worth a damn nail knotted to your rods waldo

But I sure would save a lot of cash not buying fly line….hmmm…wonder how it would cast???:)

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If it is tapered properly it casts quite well. Lot better than bloody knotted horsehair anyway. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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Nail knotting it to the rods will result in broken rods, or very short overpowered casts, knot it to the line ! The Maxima referred to is monofilament fishing line. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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As a beginner with the fly, and a resident of Scotland, I get confused about the different styles between USA and UK fly fishing. It seems that USA rods are much shorter (8 to 10 feet?) than UK rods (10 to 14 feet?) Is this just a matter of fashion or is there a good reason for it? Plus, I need to know what weight of line / rod to go for- I will be fishing for brown trout of around 0.75 to 1 pound, plus sea trout of up to around 3 pounds, the odd Arctic Charr of up to 2 pounds, plus the (rarer) chance of a salmon- I guess I’m talking about two rods, aren’t I? The fishing will be on small rivers (say 10m wide), streams (3m-5m wide) and hill lochs, big and small, shore and boat. What weight should I go for? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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As a beginner with the fly, and a resident of Scotland, I get confused about the different styles between USA and UK fly fishing. It seems that USA rods are much shorter (8 to 10 feet?) than UK rods (10 to 14 feet?) Is this just a matter of fashion or is there a good reason for it? Plus, I need to know what weight of line / rod to go for- I will be fishing for brown trout of around 0.75 to 1 pound, plus sea trout of up to around 3 pounds, the odd Arctic Charr of up to 2 pounds, plus the (rarer) chance of a salmon- I guess I’m talking about two rods, aren’t I? The fishing will be on small rivers (say 10m wide), streams (3m-5m wide) and hill lochs, big and small, shore and boat. What weight should I go for?

Hi Paul,  in the USA much shorter rods are used for nearly all fishing. For general fly-fishing in Scotland I would go for an 8 foot 6inch 5 weight, or a nine foot five weight if you fish lochs regularly.  This will handle all the fish you mention, cover nearly all situations adequately, allow reasonable boat fishing, and is not too heavy for delicate fishing.  Very short rods are only advantageous on small over grown streams. If you hook a salmon on this rod you may still be able to land it, but it would be folly to use such a rod deliberately for salmon. For the Salmon you really need another rod. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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As a beginner with the fly, and a resident of Scotland, I get confused about the different styles between USA and UK fly fishing. It seems that USA rods are much shorter (8 to 10 feet?) than UK rods (10 to 14 feet?)

Hi Paul, If you’re fly fishing in Scotland, mostly for trout. I would start with a 9 to 9.5 foot rod, rated for a 6 or 7 weight line. Even if your tastes develop such that you eventually want other rods (believe me, you probably will!), you will always find plenty of uses for such a rod in your armoury. Daiwa makes decent rods to this spec; so does Reddington if you want to spend a bit more and get a worthwhile guarantee. A nine foot 6/7 weight is light enough for river dry fly and wet fly fishing, yet has enough steam to throw a team of flies on a windy loch, or a longshank sea trout lure (streamer). Nine foot gives enough length to control the line and flies properly in a number of techniques, while not being so long that it will tire you. Above ten feet and the leverage starts to be noticeable. Traditionally, Americans have tended to use shorter rods than we do in the British Isles. With modern carbon fibre, there is not much case for rods of under eight feet, unless for fishing under overhanging trees (even then, the case is often overstated or spurious). The advantages of carbon fly rods in the nine to ten foot range are manifest and worthwhile. Americans have retained a sentimental affection for split cane (bamboo) fly rods. Cane rods are more labour intensive to make than modern carbon rods and are generally considerably more expensive. The material is heavier and ’slower’ than modern carbon fibre. A cane rod gets pretty ponderous if it is much OVER eight feet long. Forget cane as a first fly rod. Fly rods of over 12 feet are almost always double handed salmon rods, used for the various Spey casts, etc. They are not suitable for general trout fly fishing. You might be interested to look at the NG: uk.rec.fishing.game Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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I’ve been looking through USA Today for the past few days during school & noticed Northwest’s advertisements for their new MSP-FBU service and was wondering if anyone knew what type of plane will be used on this run ? DC-10 ? Is there actually the demand for a MSP-FBU flight ? — kev http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/marina/6273/index.html np: something by someone on woxy-97x you can dye your hair, but its the one thing you can change. can’t run away from yourself… -pulp

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I’ve been looking through USA Today for the past few days during school & noticed Northwest’s advertisements for their new MSP-FBU service

Actually it will be MSP to OSL, since Fornebu (FBU) closed last October, and Oslo’s airport is at Gardemoen (sp?) now. and was wondering if anyone knew what type of plane will be used on this run ? DC-10 ?

Yes. Is there actually the demand for a MSP-FBU flight ?

Well, given that the instructions on the pay phones at MSP are also in Norwegian, yes, I think so. This route will also feed Brathens’ hub at OSL for connections to other Scandinavian cities. Northwest flew MSP-FBU in the 70’s and 80’s. -Erik

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I’ve been looking through USA Today for the past few days during school & noticed Northwest’s advertisements for their new MSP-FBU service Actually it will be MSP to OSL, since Fornebu (FBU) closed last October, and Oslo’s airport is at Gardemoen (sp?) now.

Oops. Sorry about that. And is the code for Gardermoen really OSL ? I thought it was GEN. Is there actually the demand for a MSP-FBU flight ? Well, given that the instructions on the pay phones at MSP are also in Norwegian, yes, I think so.

I never knew. Quite fascinating, really. This route will also feed Brathens’ hub at OSL for connections to other Scandinavian cities. Northwest flew MSP-FBU in the 70’s and 80’s.

Why not a MSP-CPH or a MSP-ARN flight instead of a MSP-OSL/GEN flight for connections to other Scandinavian cities ? Is it because of Northwest’s previous experience flying MSP-FBU ? — kev http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/marina/6273/index.html np: something by someone on WOXY-97x. you can dye your hair, but its the one thing you can change. can’t run away from yourself… -pulp

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says… I’ve been looking through USA Today for the past few days during school & noticed Northwest’s advertisements for their new MSP-FBU service Actually it will be MSP to OSL, since Fornebu (FBU) closed last October, and Oslo’s airport is at Gardemoen (sp?) now. Oops. Sorry about that. And is the code for Gardermoen really OSL ? I thought it was GEN.

I would have thought OSL is the city code for Oslo. GEN is or was certainly the airport code for Gardermoen – or maybe they have changed GEN to OSL now that FBU is closed and GEN is a "real" airport? Well, given that the instructions on the pay phones at MSP are also in Norwegian, yes, I think so. I never knew. Quite fascinating, really.

You have to be kidding. MSP? I never heard of any oil, fishing or knitting industry in Minnesota? Northwest flew MSP-FBU in the 70’s and 80’s.

I think they also used to fly ARN-JFK in the 80’s. P-O — Per-Olof Litby Product Mgr, Microsoft Nordic, Box 27, 16493 Kista, Sweden Mobile +46 70 452-2885 Dates in your calendar are closer than they appear.

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Oops. Sorry about that. And is the code for Gardermoen really OSL ? I thought it was GEN

I think it was GEN until FBU was closed, and then became OSL, since it is now Oslo’s one official airport (I am ignoring Torp) Why not a MSP-CPH or a MSP-ARN flight instead of a MSP-OSL/GEN flight for connections to other Scandinavian cities ? Is it because of Northwest’s previous experience flying MSP-FBU ?

Again, I thin it is to hook into Brathen’s system, which is partly owned by NW’s partner KLM. I think that the ORD-CPH and ORD-ARN service that SAS/United offers (and SAS’s control over CPH and ARN) forces "Wings" (NW/Brathens) to OSL. -Erik

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You have to be kidding. MSP? I never heard of any oil, fishing or knitting industry in Minnesota?

You obviously never listen to A Prarie Home Companion on National Public Radio. Quick history:  When the Great Northern and the Northern Pacific were being built, they actively recruited Scandinavians to populate the lands given to them to build the rail lines by the U.S. government (homesteading). Thus, to this day, the prominent heritage of European-Americans who live between Minneapolis and Seattle is Scandinavian (Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Icelandic, and Finn) -Erik -Erik

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Really?  Where?  I lived there for 15 years and don’t ever recall this.

Next time you are at the airport, look in the main hall.: Northwest flew MSP-FBU in the 70’s and 80’s. Yep, and MSP-ARN as well if I recall correctly.

I think it was a MSP-ARN-FBU triangle. -Erik

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Thus, to this day, the prominent heritage of European-Americans who live between Minneapolis and Seattle is Scandinavian (Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Icelandic, and Finn)

There’s a strong majority of people of German/Swiss/Austrian descent in some areas as well, though.  Particularly southern and western Minnesota. —                      Written online using slrn 0.9.5.4!                    The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.

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Is there actually the demand for a MSP-FBU flight ?

MSP-OSL yes, because there is only one non-stop a day from Oslo to USA and that is with SAS’s 767. Nice with a timesaving alternative. Anders

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Piragis, the Boundary Waters Catalog people, offer a fishing rod holder that clamps to the gunwale.  I’ve used it for spinning and baitcasting rigs and I think it’ll hold a flyrod.  You can call them at 1-800-223-6565.  They also have a web site: http://www.piragis.com/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have any ideas on where to get or how to make fly rod holders for a canoe? — Paul Bunchuk Ft. Lauderdale, Fl

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Anyone have any ideas on where to get or how to make fly rod holders for a canoe? — Paul Bunchuk Ft. Lauderdale, Fl

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I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands. Thanks for any suggestions. David

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Sorry to be glib on what is supposed to be a serious request, BUT, I just realized that I must have been wearing womens waders all along.  Why else would the zipper be missing from where I need it the most? Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands. Thanks for any suggestions. David

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I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands.

Orvis is just one of many manufacturers that makes a women’s wader. If your local shop doesn’t carry them you can always mail order. jackie billings, mt

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I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands. Thanks for any suggestions. David

Hi David, Orvis sells excellent women’s waders (both rubber and neoprene).  They aren’t cheap but they’re good.  A quick web search should get you a catalogue (that’s how I got mine). –Margot F.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands. Thanks for any suggestions. David Hi David, Orvis sells excellent women’s waders (both rubber and neoprene).  They aren’t cheap but they’re good.  A quick web search should get you a catalogue (that’s how I got mine). –Margot F.

LL Bean also offers woman’s waders and custom made waders too.  They are on the web as well. — The views expressed are my own and does not represent those of my employer.

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Orvis is just one of many manufacturers that makes a women’s wader. If your local shop doesn’t carry them you can always mail order.

Someone also once posted the address of a California company called Damselfly which specializes in women’s flyfishing needs. Their number is 1-800-966-4166. I haven’t dealt with them personally, being a double victim of both chronic poverty and the Canadian exchange rate, but I’m willing to bet they’re worth checking out before going to Orvis… — K.G. (Kat) Cruickshank, ichthyophile. Toronto, Ontario, Canada. see my illustrations at http://www.mackerel.com/fish/home.html

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I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order dealer and/or any suggestions on brands. Thanks for any suggestions. David

Bare, Simms and Orvis have womans neoprene wader. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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 I want to get my wife a set of waders for fly fishing, but have been  unable to find anything.  Does anyone know of a reputable mail order  dealer and/or any suggestions on brands.

If your wife is what is considered average in size, Damsel Fly should have waders to fit her.  Otherwise, any of the companies that custom make waders is your best bet.  Mine came from StreamLine in Bainbridge, Washington but most good flyshops can order for you and will have the necessary form to get all the measurements right.  I’m not sure if all the manufacturers are making a women’s cut in waders yet but StreamLine does.                         – Jewelee

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Hi, My wife wears Simms Womens neoprene waders and loves them.  She has gotten quite a bit of use out of them.  They are a bit expensive (I don’t know how much wading your wife will be doing), and the pair she has is purple (which just happens to be her favorite color). Actually, the waders appear dark blue in the water. Otherwise, the ORvis womens waders have received good reviews also from a few women I have guided. -paul Paul Williamson Emigrant, MT 59027

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW Go fer it!

Sure – but while you’re at it, how about "Going for" rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.endless.advocacies? Cheers! /dave <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< < Digital Equipment Corp.       Alpha Server Engineering < < Parker Street Campus            Maynard, Massachusetts   < <        Charter Member of "Curmudgeons Unlimited"       < <<<<<<<<<<<< AMA 548313 <<<<<<<<<<<< Disclaimer: Opinion and content is mine alone, and unlikely             to be shared by my employer, etc…

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

Damn the bandwidth… Full speed ahead! I bet there a lot of great pics out there. Maybe we could develop a huge base of FF related clip art. The newletter people could alway use a good photo or drawing. dawsonH

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload?

A binary is generally a misnomer when it comes to how they appear on newsgroups.  A "binary" will generally be stored in uuencoded format or be a MIME attachment.  In either case, it will appear as ascii characters but not readable.  Once it’s decoded it becomes a binary.  A scanner is useful for *creating* binaries but there are other alternatives.  Places like Kinko’s will scan pictures for you and put the binary on a floppy. A lot of photo developing places now offer your pictures digitized into gif/jpeg files and returned on a floppy.  There is a place near hear that does it for $4 a roll of 24 exposures.  On the other hand, scanners are starting to get pretty cheap. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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: : I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : : What say ye all ? : : TimW : Hey, T-Bone, ole’ buddy, if you are so hot for this why not do it your self. Like John did for rofft. I’ll bet John will give some pointers on how to go about it. keep ‘em dry

Tim is proposing a group in the alt hierarchy which means that the creation process is much easier then a group proposed in one of the *Big Eight* newsgroup hierarchies.  My first suggestion would be to take a look in alt.config and it should provide a newsgroup creation process.   It does no good whatsoever to post an "I vote yes" article here.   — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : : What say ye all ? : : TimW : Hey, T-Bone, ole’ buddy, if you are so hot for this why not do it your self. Like John did for rofft. I’ll bet John will give some pointers on how to go about it. keep ‘em dry

If there is interest, I will.  Thanks. TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW Go fer it! Sure – but while you’re at it, how about "Going for" rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.endless.advocacies?

And this little troll ? <g Where’e the smiley dave ? Hey Dave… I *tried*.  But was defeated by those much. much wiser then I. I *tried* hard to get a talk or politics subgroup in lieu of .tying, and was humiliated for my efforts… Don’t blame me, that’s fer damned sure… TimW

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      Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not   sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner   to upload?     No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format.     You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera   or video capture.     After that, it’s really easy.     TimW Sounds like a good idea to me. Getting something like a "Snappy" and your camcorder might be the cheapest way to go… Ted…

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload? No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format. You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera or video capture. After that, it’s really easy. TimWUsing binaries may seem scary at first but you can buy an Epson Photo PC

camera for less than a quality rangefinder automatic and it is truly automatic. Plus there are no film charges. The output is straight to the screen VGA in living 24 bit color. No scanning. No film and no prints. I use on a LOT and most of the closeups in Master Angler were done with one. Resolution problems? I dont think so! The insects look like they might bite and you can see every hair on a fly pattern. When you figure what you pay for a roll of film and development the camera pays for itself in a few months if you do any sort of photography. Hand scanners are dirt cheap now and they have excellent resolution. I have 3 scanners and any of them can scan a print and if your steady with the hand scanner you cant tell the difference from the flatbeds. Video capture is quite easy now but this would be my last choice. It works but not like the camera or the scanner. Digital video has come a long way and is a boon to those of us who want to keep our copyrighted videos from piracy as you get in VHS but the quality is not as good and either are the video captures made with the boards. If the lighting is good however they are very acceptable. Alt binaries is a medium we need to fill in the blanks. There are nuances in fly patterns tht will never be transmitted via a written materials list. I would vote yes Bob S — Bob Sheedy Arctic Fire Software Home of THE FISHING LOG and MASTER ANGLER http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm

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I think maybe we should expand this to be alt.binaries.pictures.flyfishing, so that we can post all kinds of things, inclusive of flies. TimW

I agree.  Then we could post pictures of fish we caught, places we fished, whatever… Nicolo

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: I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance I think maybe we should expand this to be alt.binaries.pictures.flyfishing, so that we can post all kinds of things, inclusive of flies. TimW

Even better! Ever try to tie a new knot from typed instructions? — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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The response seems to favor it.   I tell ya what…if it’s an alt group, it seems like it would be not at all hard to do.   In order to get some respect in that area…we’d have to get on some scans and get some traffic going.   As it stands, the ng would be between .erotica and .fine_arts, not a bad place to be, but I can see a few of us getting lost up or downstream… I might just go ahead and create it.   TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW Go fer it! Sure – but while you’re at it, how about "Going for" rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.endless.advocacies? Cheers! /dave

Go fer it! Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

I’d vote yes. Charlie…

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW I’d vote yes. Charlie…

Same here. – August Kristoferson Watercolor Fish Art http://www.eskimo.com/~augustk

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: I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : What say ye all ? I think the traffic will be slow… really slow.  Why not just email any photos to the few who will want them? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Great idea, and I must say its nice to see you off the dogma kick. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

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: : I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : : What say ye all ? : : TimW : Hey, T-Bone, ole’ buddy, if you are so hot for this why not do it your self. Like John did for rofft. I’ll bet John will give some pointers on how to go about it. keep ‘em dry lukn4fish Bob Madden San Jose, Ca

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

 Sounds good to me  HM

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

Great idea. Mike

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: I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so : that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance : in the text ng… : What say ye all ? I think the traffic will be slow… really slow.  Why not just email any photos to the few who will want them?

Buy me a scanner Rick and the traffic will not be slow.   I would like to have the newsgroup in my list, when there is an image, I would almost certainly view it…wouldn’t you ?  I’d bet there is some incredible photo talent out there.  Even to be graced by some images of incredible watercolors I’ve seen by some of or friends. I think maybe we should expand this to be alt.binaries.pictures.flyfishing, so that we can post all kinds of things, inclusive of flies. TimW

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

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I would like to create the newsgroup alt.binaries.pictures.flies so that we could post pictures of flies without upsetting the balance in the text ng… What say ye all ? TimW

Go fer it! — Phil Koenig Manhattan Custom Tackle Ltd. http://fishdoc.com./ "I’m the boss,so WHATEVER I say is OK"

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload? jg

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload? No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format. You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera or video capture.

or simply have them developed onto a photo CD. TimW

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Tim, as one of the technically challenged, i like the idea, but am not sure what "binaries" means.  Tell me short…do i have to buy a scanner to upload?

No, you just need to have yur images in a binary format.   You can scan them, have them scanned or use a digital camera or video capture. After that, it’s really easy. TimW

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