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Don’t forget a conical fermentor – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not alone? Oh no, it is as feared. I’ve only brewed several batches of extract, but I can’t stop reading. And now I think I grasp the fundamentals of all grain. More equipment is inevitable. Bigger brew pot. Propane Burner, Wort Chiller Mash Tun, Lauter Tun, Wait, maybe a "false bottom" Mash Tun… Hmm single stage highly modified, or multi-stage undermodified? Probably single stage first? I know I can’t stop myself! The kegerator is coming. Growing hops, not a problem. Culturing yeast, maybe it’s worth it? Ah hell, who can resist that sweet yeasty smell bubbling from the carboy? And the unlimited supply of fresh homebrew… I see taps in my future. Thanks to all those here who support this addiction! Rod. I’ve been a wine/cider maker for a few years now, nothing serious, just something I played with on the side. Well, I’m not sure why it took me so long (I’ve always been a beer drinker), but a couple months back I brewed my first beer (a porter that turned out MUCH better than I expected). I now have three different batches in various stages of fermentation, and all I think about in my free time is BEER! …the bigger kettle, a kegging system, a fridge, a new wort cooler, all the things I want (read: need!). Football season is a month away! Normally by this time I would have trouble sleeping at night with anticipation (go eagles). Now I can’t keep thinking to myself how great it would be to have a nice keg of homebrew in my truck for the tailgates, not about the games! Will this madness ever end?!?!?!? SWMBO thinks I’ve lost my mind! I don’t watch TV anymore, I read books! (Brewing books, but books nonetheless!) Help me! What’s the cure?? thanks for letting me vent a little, feeling better now.

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I’m not alone? Oh no, it is as feared. I’ve only brewed several batches of extract, but I can’t stop reading. And now I think I grasp the fundamentals of all grain. More equipment is inevitable. Bigger brew pot. Propane Burner, Wort Chiller Mash Tun, Lauter Tun, Wait, maybe a "false bottom" Mash Tun… Hmm single stage highly modified, or multi-stage undermodified? Probably single stage first? I know I can’t stop myself! The kegerator is coming. Growing hops, not a problem. Culturing yeast, maybe it’s worth it? Ah hell, who can resist that sweet yeasty smell bubbling from the carboy? And the unlimited supply of fresh homebrew… I see taps in my future. Thanks to all those here who support this addiction! Rod.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been a wine/cider maker for a few years now, nothing serious, just something I played with on the side. Well, I’m not sure why it took me so long (I’ve always been a beer drinker), but a couple months back I brewed my first beer (a porter that turned out MUCH better than I expected). I now have three different batches in various stages of fermentation, and all I think about in my free time is BEER! …the bigger kettle, a kegging system, a fridge, a new wort cooler, all the things I want (read: need!). Football season is a month away! Normally by this time I would have trouble sleeping at night with anticipation (go eagles). Now I can’t keep thinking to myself how great it would be to have a nice keg of homebrew in my truck for the tailgates, not about the games! Will this madness ever end?!?!?!? SWMBO thinks I’ve lost my mind! I don’t watch TV anymore, I read books! (Brewing books, but books nonetheless!) Help me! What’s the cure?? thanks for letting me vent a little, feeling better now.

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Close…Dave Barry.. ——-Denny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who said that there is a fine line between "hobby" and "obsession?" Dave Berry? — Dan Listermann Check out our E-tail site at www.listermann.com

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Thanks for the reply. After almost 25 years of putting up with me, SWMBO is pretty reasonable. I was just getting a bit worried that there would be an obnoxious odor floating throughout the house for the entire fermenting period. The wort boil won’t be so bad; fan in the kitchen window and a promise that it’s just one day of the process will be okay. If the fermenting is no big problem I’ll keep it where I had in mind. Heck, I’ve spilled beer before, so wouldn’t be much different upon occasion 8). Ricky – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I run my fermenters in the bathroom, in the unused bathtub (I use the wet t-shirt trick to keep the fermenters cool enough during the summer). Aside from the one fermentation that got so vigorous that it blew out the airlock and started oozing out onto the lid of the fermenter, there has been no noticeable smell. Even that one that did smell a bit (it basically smelled like spilled beer) cleared up as soon as the fermentation subsided and I cleaned off the ooze. The smell that stinks up the house and makes SWMBO upset is when I’m boiling the wort and add the hops. I think it smells wonderful, but she…. well let’s just say she is of a different opinion. Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. Speaking of SWMBO, I’m getting ready place an order to try my hand at this. SWMBO is worried about the house smelling of beer during fermentation. I explained that it won’t be smelling like beer; it’s yeast and grains, it’ll smell more like bread baking. Just how big a lie was that? Ricky

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I run my fermenters in the bathroom, in the unused bathtub (I use the wet t-shirt trick to keep the fermenters cool enough during the summer). Aside from the one fermentation that got so vigorous that it blew out the airlock and started oozing out onto the lid of the fermenter, there has been no noticeable smell. Even that one that did smell a bit (it basically smelled like spilled beer) cleared up as soon as the fermentation subsided and I cleaned off the ooze. The smell that stinks up the house and makes SWMBO upset is when I’m boiling the wort and add the hops. I think it smells wonderful, but she…. well let’s just say she is of a different opinion.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. Speaking of SWMBO, I’m getting ready place an order to try my hand at this. SWMBO is worried about the house smelling of beer during fermentation. I explained that it won’t be smelling like beer; it’s yeast and grains, it’ll smell more like bread baking. Just how big a lie was that? Ricky

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My wife is 8 months pregnant… I think this contributes to her wild swings of sometimes taking an interest in my brewing, other times cursing the very notion of it. Of course she can’t have any beer, but I defended my return to brewing by claiming that the beer will all be ready for her to drink after the baby comes. Plus I tell her that once the baby comes I won’t have time to brew, so that’s why I’ve just got to have 2 or 3 batches going at once now. Naturally I’m hoping to sneak in the occaisional brew session later this year, but for awhile I fear it’ll be all baby, all the time.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. What is it with SWMBOs anyway? Mine once said through clenched teeth "I *REALLY WISH* you would get a DIFFERENT hobby" But then I clean up the kitchen so perfectly she has no ammunition…. Then of course there’s the one where she asks whether reading all these brewing books, websites and magazines are more important than her… do I have to answer that? Mine tolerates it pretty well (so far). She just uses it as an excuse to feed her hobby–you would not believe the amount of yarn the woman has. And she bought some kind of yarn winding doohickey that I just love (she doesn’t ask me to help her wind it any more). So get her hooked on her own hobby…

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So your a little compulsive. Be honest this has happened before maybe not tropical fish, making arrow heads, chess, banjo, fly fishing, bicycling and sailing but surely you recognize the pattern. I myself went down with my German friend Brunhilda (I am not making this up.) to the local brewery to get a party pig of stout. They had a homebrew section! After that there was some sort of frenzy and when the fog cleared I had all this gear including Kegs, a refer, pots, a chiller, hoses stuff … big pile of stuff! Now when they see me coming I can see them lick their lips from the middle of the street. My wife knew there was trouble (brewing) when the books started showing up. (The next horse she buys I’m getting a brew sculpture. ) In fact I am thinking that tomorrow, when the brewery opens up; I will buy another book; yes, a big fat one on making the perfect cream ale! When you are feeling frustrated with this compulsiveness it is important to smoke lots and lots of cigars. Also it helps to rotate addictions so as not to be overwhelmed. Right now I am rotating through American Ales as fast as I can brew and heading for the English ones, then Stouts, then Lagers generally by 2005 (Spring) I should be up to lambics. No sense in overdoing it. art

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been a wine/cider maker for a few years now, nothing serious, just something I played with on the side. Well, I’m not sure why it took me so long (I’ve always been a beer drinker), but a couple months back I brewed my first beer (a porter that turned out MUCH better than I expected). I now have three different batches in various stages of fermentation, and all I think about in my free time is BEER! …the bigger kettle, a kegging system, a fridge, a new wort cooler, all the things I want (read: need!). Football season is a month away! Normally by this time I would have trouble sleeping at night with anticipation (go eagles). Now I can’t keep thinking to myself how great it would be to have a nice keg of homebrew in my truck for the tailgates, not about the games! Will this madness ever end?!?!?!? SWMBO thinks I’ve lost my mind! I don’t watch TV anymore, I read books! (Brewing books, but books nonetheless!) Help me! What’s the cure?? thanks for letting me vent a little, feeling better now.

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After looking through some threads via google searches I finally found one I think answers my question plus one question I didn’t ask. As to fermenting, someone mentioned they ferment in the basement because of smell and others that their spouse hated it, so I guess it must not be a "baking bread" smell. 8) I didn’t even think about the brewing process but folks posted it "smells great"/"makes you want to vomit" so sort of YMMV it seems. Maybe I need to rethink where I’m going to be doing this. I have a cooker and I have a workshop with part sectioned off and air conditioned, but I have no running water there (or I should say, no sink — there is a water hose outlet outside the shop door). It might work, just figured it wouldn’t be as sanitary as the kitchen. Ricky – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Its gotten so bad, that SWMBO has told me she hates my new hobby. Speaking of SWMBO, I’m getting ready place an order to try my hand at this. SWMBO is worried about the house smelling of beer during fermentation. I explained that it won’t be smelling like beer; it’s yeast and grains, it’ll smell more like bread baking. Just how big a lie was that? Ricky

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. You post right here and now what plagiarism you’re talking about? Anything I wrote I have permission from that author or poster to pass on or use. All I need is a verification in my records.

But, George, you put your own copyright on it and gave no author credit. You can not, legally or morally, copyright someone else’s work in your own name. — rbc: vixen Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Anything I wrote I have permission from that author or poster to pass on or use.

That charming little anecdote is listed on hundreds of web sites. Which one is the "real" one? I’d be surprised if you could even name the author, much less produce credible verification of permission. Joe F.

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Michael Hegerfeld writes: Seriously everyone, what’s with this Gehrke fellow? He is obviously as crazy as a loon and needs to be locked away in a rubber room.

Look up "bi-polar disease". Dave

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Michael Hegerfeld writes: Seriously everyone, what’s with this Gehrke fellow? He is obviously as crazy as a loon and needs to be locked away in a rubber room. Look up "bi-polar disease". Dave

LOL, good one Pirate. Hang around Michael, you will learn to sort the wheat from the chaff, and Gherke comes and goes (we all wish he’d go, but that’s another matter) Just put him in your bozo filter. There *is* a lot to learn from this bunch and it would be a shame to leave because of him. If you do leave, *he* wins and we can’t have that, now can we? Stick around and learn from some of the best ff’rs around. Frank Church in Elkhart, IN

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All right! Who lied? I was promised that "I" would be the only asshole here. Drew

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How about the innocent people who’s drinks have been spiked with LSD and who were innocent, law abiding citizens who ended up shot by power crazed cops? 30 November, 1996

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What the hell are you talking about? LaCourse? This lying of yours is another example of your childish behavior. You post right here and now what plagiarism you’re talking about? I’ve never belonged to alt.playwriters in my life. Kiss my royal behind you chicksucker! Anything I wrote I have permission from that author or poster to pass on or use. All I need is a verification in my records. You, on the other hand, are nothing more then a cowardly twit. Go stick your head in a sack and go back to breathing your glue. You dumb m.fr’

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Aw hell George, Louie is just jealous because the voices only talk to you. What the hell are you talking about? LaCourse? This lying of yours is another example of your childish behavior. You post right here and now what plagiarism you’re talking about? I’ve never belonged to alt.playwriters in my life. Kiss my royal behind you chicksucker! Anything I wrote I have permission from that author or poster to pass on or use. All I need is a verification in my records. You, on the other hand, are nothing more then a cowardly twit. Go stick your head in a sack and go back to breathing your glue. You dumb m.fr’

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Michael Hegerfeld writes: Seriously everyone, what’s with this Gehrke fellow? He is obviously as crazy as a loon and needs to be locked away in a rubber room. Look up "bi-polar disease". Dave LOL, good one Pirate. Hang around Michael, you will learn to sort the wheat from the chaff, and Gherke comes and goes (we all wish he’d go, but that’s another matter) Just put him in your bozo filter. There *is* a lot to learn from this bunch and it would be a shame to leave because of him. If you do leave, *he* wins and we can’t have that, now can we? Stick around and learn from some of the best ff’rs around.

I don’t think it’s bi-polar. I’ve known several bi-polars. While they have all been assholes, they’re only like him when they’re in manic phase. Megalomania might be more like it. And it can’t be schizophrenia, because I’e liked almost all the schizos I’ve met (except some of the extremely unhappy ones and the way too paranoid ones, both of which are, in my experience, rather rare.). Borderline Personality Disorder is a possibility, too. — rbc: vixen Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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"Ridge Hall computer assistance; may I help you?" "Yes, well, I’m having trouble with WordPerfect." "What sort of trouble?" "Well, I was just typing along, and all of a sudden the words went away." "Went away?" "They disappeared." "Hmm. So what does your screen look like now?" "Nothing." "Nothing?" "It’s blank; it won’t accept anything when I type." "Are you still in WordPerfect, or did you get out?" "How do I tell?" "Can you see the C: prompt on the screen?" "What’s a sea-prompt?" "Never mind, can you move your cursor around the screen?" "There isn’t any cursor: I told you, it won’t accept anything I type." "Does your monitor have a power indicator?" "What’s a monitor?" "It’s the thing with the screen on it that looks like a TV. Does it have a little light that tells you when it’s on?" "I don’t know." "Well, then look on the back of the monitor and find where the power cord goes into it. Can you see that?" "Yes, I think so." "Great. Follow the cord to the plug, and tell me if it’s plugged into the wall." "Yes, it is." "When you were behind the monitor, did you notice that there were two cables plugged into the back of it, not just one?" "No." "Well, there are. I need you to look back there again and find the other cable." "Okay, here it is." "Follow it for me, and tell m e if it’s plugged securely into the back of your computer." "I can’t reach." "Uh huh. Well, can you see if it is?" "No." "Even if you maybe put your knee on something and lean way over?" "Oh, it’s not because I don’t have the right angle –it’s because it’s dark." "Dark?" "Yes, the office light is off, and the only light I have is coming in from the window." "Well, turn on the office light then." "I can’t." "No? Why not?" "Because there’s a power failure." "A power…A power failure? Aha! Okay, we’ve got it licked now. Do you still have the boxes and manuals and packing stuff your computer came in?" "Well, yes, I keep them in the closet." "Good. Go get them, and unplug your system and pack it up just like it was when you got it. Then take it back to the store you bought it from." "Really? Is it that bad?" "Yes, I’m afraid it is." "Well, all right then, I suppose. What do I tell them?" "Tell them you’re too stupid to own a computer — George Gehrke

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I don’t know what the hell is going on with everyone in here! Bloody fights at every turn… long back and forth drivel over the silliest little things. For crying out loud… be adult. If you don’t like what someone says… ignore it… you have the ability to alter your filters so you don’t even have to read that persons postings… You don’t always have to have the last word you know…. And nobody really cares who started it. Kath

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know what the hell is going on with everyone in here! Bloody fights at every turn… long back and forth drivel over the silliest little things. For crying out loud… be adult. If you don’t like what someone says… ignore it… you have the ability to alter your filters so you don’t even have to read that persons postings… You don’t always have to have the last word you know…. And nobody really cares who started it. Kath

You spoilin’ fer a fight, lady?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a hackle? Do I? Excuse me while I look this up. I had to look it up myself. My favorite definition was "a tuft of cock feathers trimming an artificial fishing fly". I sure hope I don’t have one of *those*, especially in an "up" condition! And watch out for that hook! It would certainly make "dick-waving" more interesting for the spectators! Oh. So *that’s* where it goes. I suppose the ‘cock feathers’ should have been a give-away, but I was still thinking farmyard fowl. Maybe I can use my comb to keep it in trim. The tuft. You have feathers? <G

Um, doesn’t everybody? <VBG Quack! pavanne — For info about this service, see http://www.twwells.com/anon/ or e-mail:

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a hackle? Do I? Excuse me while I look this up. I had to look it up myself. My favorite definition was "a tuft of cock feathers trimming an artificial fishing fly". I sure hope I don’t have one of *those*, especially in an "up" condition! And watch out for that hook! It would certainly make "dick-waving" more interesting for the spectators! Oh. So *that’s* where it goes. I suppose the ‘cock feathers’ should have been a give-away, but I was still thinking farmyard fowl. Maybe I can use my comb to keep it in trim. The tuft. You have feathers? <G

Three paragraphs higher than you’re thinking. — The opinions given above may be mine. They might also just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?

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I have a hackle? Do I? Excuse me while I look this up. I had to look it up myself. My favorite definition was "a tuft of cock feathers trimming an artificial fishing fly". I sure hope I don’t have one of *those*, especially in an "up" condition! And watch out for that hook! It would certainly make "dick-waving" more interesting for the spectators!

Oh. So *that’s* where it goes. I suppose the ‘cock feathers’ should have been a give-away, but I was still thinking farmyard fowl. Maybe I can use my comb to keep it in trim. The tuft. — The opinions given above may be mine. They might also just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?

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I don’t know what the hell is going on with everyone in here! Everyone? mom! kiwigirl is staring at me again!

hahahahahahahaha. whew. you better watch it or you’re dead at recess. jean

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This, my dear, is ASD. Where people with varying degrees of mental illness from across the globe cross paths in a matter unprecedented in history. Where images and projections are given free rein, fed by the mystery of a glowing screen. Where reality, encountered, rarely satisfies. Where hearts are broken, behavior repeats itself, needs are laid bare, and a few of us die. And once in a while, people fall in love, or don’t need to be here anymore.

<gasp Chimera, Where did you get this? i like it. It’s so accurate and… pretty.

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To me it boils down to the difference between being assertive and being aggressive.

Yes!! {jumping up and down] Never, ever, goggle ever (as Maria would say) can get this right. Rosena

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I am kinda curious as to why so many people’s hackles are up and feel the need to fight over a phrase, or a tone in a reply or post.

I have a hackle? Do I? Excuse me while I look this up. <Later Why would anyone think that I had combs for flax or hemp? Odd that. I’d thought it would be something completely different. You know, personal. — The opinions given above may be mine. They might also just be what I feel like saying right now, okay?

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or else it ends up with some one telling you they think you are fake like glen told me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – *shrug* Hey… if this fighting is causing positive changes, helping vent some steam etc… it’s all good! But from where I’m reading, it’s not, it’s destructive, and people are (A) getting hurt, or (B) getting flamed to hell for all that positive venting. To me it boils down to the difference between being assertive and being aggressive. It’s one thing to assert yourself when there’s a conflict with another person (i.e., stand your ground); it’s entirely another thing to aggress against someone else in a conflict (i.e., go out of your way to hurt that person, as is the case with flames). Trouble is, the boundary between assertiveness and aggression is kinda fuzzy, and depends at least in part on how the various individuals involved interpret a series of exchanges. What I might intend as simply "standing my ground" may be interpreted by the other person as a personal attack, and vice versa. On a related note, I tend to think that anger in and of itself is not destructive. The trick is learning how to express it in a way that does not harm the folks one is angry at. If this group offers some opportunities for learning how to deal with angry emotions in a less destructive manner, then it serves as a force for positive change. Sometimes that happens here, sometimes it doesn’t. And so it goes. Welcome to ASD. James p/e "Vision is both revelation and revolution. It is the call AND the response." — James Benjamin (2000) http://www.geocities.com/the_bokononist/

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*shrug* Hey… if this fighting is causing positive changes, helping vent some steam etc… it’s all good! But from where I’m reading, it’s not, it’s destructive, and people are (A) getting hurt, or (B) getting flamed to hell for all that positive venting.

To me it boils down to the difference between being assertive and being aggressive. It’s one thing to assert yourself when there’s a conflict with another person (i.e., stand your ground); it’s entirely another thing to aggress against someone else in a conflict (i.e., go out of your way to hurt that person, as is the case with flames). Trouble is, the boundary between assertiveness and aggression is kinda fuzzy, and depends at least in part on how the various individuals involved interpret a series of exchanges. What I might intend as simply "standing my ground" may be interpreted by the other person as a personal attack, and vice versa. On a related note, I tend to think that anger in and of itself is not destructive. The trick is learning how to express it in a way that does not harm the folks one is angry at. If this group offers some opportunities for learning how to deal with angry emotions in a less destructive manner, then it serves as a force for positive change. Sometimes that happens here, sometimes it doesn’t. And so it goes. Welcome to ASD. James p/e "Vision is both revelation and revolution. It is the call AND the response." — James Benjamin (2000) http://www.geocities.com/the_bokononist/

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Hey Kath, Why not just ignore and filter out the fights? I think fighting is healthy. It brings our our truest emotions to the forefront and always us to sit afterwards and learn so much more about ourselves. Fighting is a normal part of lives, can’t get around it. Sometimes it’s a fun way to release some of that pressure building up inside of us that just needs to get out. Mary Beth

I know that… I dunno…. guess two reasons I even bothered to post about this… 1 – I’m concerned. In my nice little world of fairies and laughter… I like to see people getting along, being supportive etc and I don’t know what’s causing the problems, the hostility etc. 2 – I hate to see the wrong people get dragged into fights simply by replying the wrong way or to the wrong post, and yes, selfishly, I am worried that I’ll get flamed to hell and back. *shrug* Hey… if this fighting is causing positive changes, helping vent some steam etc… it’s all good! But from where I’m reading, it’s not, it’s destructive, and people are (A) getting hurt, or (B) getting flamed to hell for all that positive venting. I’m not flaming… that’s obvious. But I am concerned about it. And if that’s wrong, so be it… some people don’t agree… that’s your right, just as it’s my right to express my concern about it. kath

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it’s just aprt of the asd culture… sometimes people have shitfight. happens in real life, happens here. i do the obvious and just don’t read any of it. it does help, y’know. and, for what it’s worth, i’m quite happy being a kid. stuffed if i’m going to act like an adult just to keep everyone happy! — *** DO NOT ADJUST YOUR MIND; THE FAULT IS WITH REALITY! Adam came first. But then, men always do. God created men because a vibrator couldn’t mow the lawn so you can make me cum — that doesn’t make you jesus icq #20581291

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know what the hell is going on with everyone in here! Bloody fights at every turn… long back and forth drivel over the silliest little things. For crying out loud… be adult. If you don’t like what someone says… ignore it… you have the ability to alter your filters so you don’t even have to read that persons postings… You don’t always have to have the last word you know…. And nobody really cares who started it. Kath

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AND I forgot to use my own doggone email addy instead of the one the sharer of this computer uses. I’M A YUTZ!!!

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You don’t always have to have the last word you know…. And nobody really cares who started it. Kath You spoilin’ fer a fight, lady? No i’m not. And I’m not hassling people for posting their feelings.

Oops…fergot to turn on the flashing neon IRONY sign when I posted that. Mea culpa.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You don’t always have to have the last word you know…. And nobody really cares who started it. Kath You spoilin’ fer a fight, lady? No i’m not. And I’m not hassling people for posting their feelings. I am kinda curious as to why so many people’s hackles are up and feel the need to fight over a phrase, or a tone in a reply or post. This is a forum for discussion, venting etc… I get that… I just don’t know what’s changed in the atmosphere that so many people are taking things personally and fighting about things. *sigh* maybe I just don’t get it? Sorry for bothering… kath

yah, there does seem to be quite a bit of squabbling lately. one thing about this place though, is that there is so much going on that, much of the time, it isn’t that hard to decide, "i’m not reading that type of post" — no matter whether your "that type of post" is cat posts or polls or flames — and still have plenty of other posts to read. one trick which has served me well, when i have become tired of reading the fighting, is to look for the threads which look like entwined snakes where a few people are on semi-manic replying binges and just delete those unread. anyway, hope you are doing ok. ferret, postmail

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know what the hell is going on with everyone in here! Bloody fights at every turn… long back and forth drivel over the silliest little things. For crying out loud… be adult. If you don’t like what someone says… ignore it… you have the ability to alter your filters so you don’t even have to read that persons postings… You don’t always have to have the last word you know…. And nobody really cares who started it. Kath

Hey Kath, Why not just ignore and filter out the fights? I think fighting is healthy. It brings our our truest emotions to the forefront and always us to sit afterwards and learn so much more about ourselves. Fighting is a normal part of lives, can’t get around it. Sometimes it’s a fun way to release some of that pressure building up inside of us that just needs to get out. Mary Beth

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You don’t always have to have the last word you know…. And nobody really cares who started it. Kath You spoilin’ fer a fight, lady?

No i’m not. And I’m not hassling people for posting their feelings. I am kinda curious as to why so many people’s hackles are up and feel the need to fight over a phrase, or a tone in a reply or post. This is a forum for discussion, venting etc… I get that… I just don’t know what’s changed in the atmosphere that so many people are taking things personally and fighting about things. *sigh* maybe I just don’t get it? Sorry for bothering… kath

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I think 2001 is the year for The Mountain Home 2001 Fly Fishing Conclave. Even us Western Boys will show up for that one. Consider me the first to sign up. — Mr.G http://www.gink.com/

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I think 2001 is the year for The Mountain Home 2001 Fly Fishing Conclave. Even us Western Boys will show up for that one. Consider me the first to sign up.

Sorry George: You can have those artificial stocked browns, albeit BIG stocked browns…I’ll stay in Mo and fish for some big assed rainbows related to those california monsters which are bred and raised in the river. Wayne

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As a beginner with the fly, and a resident of Scotland, I get confused about the different styles between USA and UK fly fishing. It seems that USA rods are much shorter (8 to 10 feet?) than UK rods (10 to 14 feet?) Is this just a matter of fashion or is there a good reason for it? Plus, I need to know what weight of line / rod to go for- I will be fishing for brown trout of around 0.75 to 1 pound, plus sea trout of up to around 3 pounds, the odd Arctic Charr of up to 2 pounds, plus the (rarer) chance of a salmon- I guess I’m talking about two rods, aren’t I? The fishing will be on small rivers (say 10m wide), streams (3m-5m wide) and hill lochs, big and small, shore and boat. What weight should I go for? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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As a beginner with the fly, and a resident of Scotland, I get confused about the different styles between USA and UK fly fishing. It seems that USA rods are much shorter (8 to 10 feet?) than UK rods (10 to 14 feet?) Is this just a matter of fashion or is there a good reason for it? Plus, I need to know what weight of line / rod to go for- I will be fishing for brown trout of around 0.75 to 1 pound, plus sea trout of up to around 3 pounds, the odd Arctic Charr of up to 2 pounds, plus the (rarer) chance of a salmon- I guess I’m talking about two rods, aren’t I? The fishing will be on small rivers (say 10m wide), streams (3m-5m wide) and hill lochs, big and small, shore and boat. What weight should I go for?

Hi Paul, in the USA much shorter rods are used for nearly all fishing. For general fly-fishing in Scotland I would go for an 8 foot 6inch 5 weight, or a nine foot five weight if you fish lochs regularly. This will handle all the fish you mention, cover nearly all situations adequately, allow reasonable boat fishing, and is not too heavy for delicate fishing. Very short rods are only advantageous on small over grown streams. If you hook a salmon on this rod you may still be able to land it, but it would be folly to use such a rod deliberately for salmon. For the Salmon you really need another rod. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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As a beginner with the fly, and a resident of Scotland, I get confused about the different styles between USA and UK fly fishing. It seems that USA rods are much shorter (8 to 10 feet?) than UK rods (10 to 14 feet?)

Hi Paul, If you’re fly fishing in Scotland, mostly for trout. I would start with a 9 to 9.5 foot rod, rated for a 6 or 7 weight line. Even if your tastes develop such that you eventually want other rods (believe me, you probably will!), you will always find plenty of uses for such a rod in your armoury. Daiwa makes decent rods to this spec; so does Reddington if you want to spend a bit more and get a worthwhile guarantee. A nine foot 6/7 weight is light enough for river dry fly and wet fly fishing, yet has enough steam to throw a team of flies on a windy loch, or a longshank sea trout lure (streamer). Nine foot gives enough length to control the line and flies properly in a number of techniques, while not being so long that it will tire you. Above ten feet and the leverage starts to be noticeable. Traditionally, Americans have tended to use shorter rods than we do in the British Isles. With modern carbon fibre, there is not much case for rods of under eight feet, unless for fishing under overhanging trees (even then, the case is often overstated or spurious). The advantages of carbon fly rods in the nine to ten foot range are manifest and worthwhile. Americans have retained a sentimental affection for split cane (bamboo) fly rods. Cane rods are more labour intensive to make than modern carbon rods and are generally considerably more expensive. The material is heavier and ’slower’ than modern carbon fibre. A cane rod gets pretty ponderous if it is much OVER eight feet long. Forget cane as a first fly rod. Fly rods of over 12 feet are almost always double handed salmon rods, used for the various Spey casts, etc. They are not suitable for general trout fly fishing. You might be interested to look at the NG: uk.rec.fishing.game Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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spam magnet B D Hatten wrote with lots of heart, almost a whine: heart felt and male bonding "I love you MAN! can have your BUD,"shit snipped There is a key on your keyboard usually called "DELETE". You did get one with your computer? Whiners on my screen usually get this key. Saves lots of energy and frustration following circular threads. Who said anything about liking ya? Tolerate maybe! Speaking of Kisses! February 14, Yes, the perfume and pubic hair hatch! I’ll be buried in about to my ears! ‘Hafta try my new goretex wader on. Yes, it would be nice to seem some newer bugs that the ones I’m use to seeing in my own. Hope their not ugly, the wild ones just love those pretty ones. Bug address went on the side. Hairy Trout One happy camper shaving his palms tonight!

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Right the Rod company has moved, however Press Powell has a Fly Fishing Shop in Chico where the old rod company was. I was there over Thanksgiving and chatted with Press for a couple of days as he was putting things back together from moving the shop. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. I don’t think Powell Rods is in Chico anymore….Bill Kiene..you would know this…where is Powell Rods now?….Greg H. Sacramento. They still make good rods. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip point. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" Bruce Douglas Hatten The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will." The quote is DIRECTLY from Aleister Crowley’s "DIARY of a DRUG FIEND" Pub. 1970 by Samuel Weiser, Inc. I will spare you the lashing your ignorance deserves- Thanx fer yer idiotic post. Now go hold the wrong book and wonder why. "Listening fer an echo and hearing only silence" Bruce

Gentlemen, may I suggest you check where Croweley plagiarized that phrase.

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And so it goes, that one must endure the ‘pulp’- to get at the seeds. I am relatively new here. I’ve had my run ins w/ Mr. G. and I got over it. And he got over it. If you can’t get over it- you need to get a life and NOT READ ON. (Thanks) This is my plan- YOU BASTARDS are gonna do the right thing. Yer gonna hit this thread and yer gonna say "come back where you belong G. We miss you". …We miss spitting yer way, we miss throwing rocks at you. We miss your stupid drivelings about yer overbloated, over hyped, over rated product line, and we miss turning off the computer w/ contempt for your capitalist PIG tendencies, but most of all- we miss the many and multi faceted jewels you unselfishly share w/ us. I don’t care who you are, or how cool you think you are and think he isn’t; (or for that matter, what you think you think of me.) George belongs here. That is the plain truth. Put me on your kill list if you disagree- I don’t give a shit. But I will say you are making a huge mistake. And that, of course is your right. (even if its wrong) ROFF is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and its very pivot and point. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" That does NOT mean I embrace shotgun spamming- and/ or random useless postings. But clearly- G does not do that. He is here w/ more intent than "just" any one thing. He is good for us. We are good for him. Let us all benefit in kind. (Besides who ever that Aaron person attempting to mimic him is making me sick.) You add to this thread- and I will copy and paste every damn word of it into e-mails that I will send him personally. Daily. Maybe 20 times daily. You all know how important this, is do the right thing. I thank you for your cooperation- and your intent. Doldrums nourish no bees,- produce no honey. Bruce Douglas Hatten Post: you write stupid moronic bullshit in MY thread and we will have a serious problem. Lets not ok? Just pass me by- please… Thanks fer that; really.

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<snip ROFF is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and its very pivot and point. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" Bruce Douglas Hatten

Just one thing Bruce, If you are going to qoute part of my religion please get it right. The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will."

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You add to this thread- and I will copy and paste every damn word of it into e-mails that I will send him personally. Daily. Maybe 20 times daily. You all know how important this, is do the right thing.

How’s this: Stay the fuck out! Find another forum for your fanclub. May I suggest the following: alt.fan.george-gherke alt.i.have.shit.for.brains.but.i.like.to.post.alot alt.netiquette.doesnt.apply.to.me.coz.i.invented.the.wheel alt.alzheimer.erotica alt.i.spam.therefore.i.am alt.hoax.bamboo.bastard — Christian Figenschou – http://figen.com

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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George? Tim Apple " Always one step closer to going Postal! "

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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George?

He t-boned the gtoup for a while. — Charlie…

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<snip ROFF is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and its very pivot and point. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" Bruce Douglas Hatten Just one thing Bruce, If you are going to qoute part of my religion please get it right. The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will."

I had no intent towards YOU or your maligned religion pal- The quote is DIRECTLY from Aleister Crowley’s "DIARY of a DRUG FIEND" Pub. 1970 by Samuel Weiser, Inc. I will spare you the lashing your ignorance deserves- Thanx fer yer idiotic post. Now go hold the wrong book and wonder why. "Listening fer an echo and hearing only silence" Bruce

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You add to this thread- and I will copy and paste every damn word of it into e-mails that I will send him personally. Daily. Maybe 20 times daily. You all know how important this, is do the right thing. How’s this: Stay the fuck out! Find another forum for your fanclub. May I suggest the following: alt.fan.george-gherke alt.i.have.shit.for.brains.but.i.like.to.post.alot alt.netiquette.doesnt.apply.to.me.coz.i.invented.the.wheel alt.alzheimer.erotica alt.i.spam.therefore.i.am alt.hoax.bamboo.bastard — Christian Figenschou – http://figen.com

Another clever boy- I’m impressed. And you have posted what of any significance lately? I am not a fan bud, but you know I’m bright enough to see… You have reading problems aside from the obvious lack of understandings? enjoy the darkness friend-

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I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. — Doug Knight metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George? He t-boned the gtoup for a while. — Charlie…

at the rate that BD Hatten is going it won’t be long before he might be the new t-bone. I’ll watch from a distance. — Doug Knight metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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<< ROFF is for everyone who shares of themself in a meaningful way- I believe that is its purpose, its value, and its very pivot and point. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" Bruce Douglas Hatten Just one thing Bruce, If you are going to qoute part of my religion please get it right. The phrase is, "An harm ye none, do what ye will."

I had no intent towards YOU or your maligned religion pal- The quote is DIRECTLY from Aleister Crowley’s "DIARY of a DRUG FIEND" Pub. 1970 by Samuel Weiser, Inc. I will spare you the lashing your ignorance deserves- Thanx fer yer idiotic post. Now go hold the wrong book and wonder why. "Listening fer an echo and hearing only silence" Bruce Bruce, that was priceless. LOL. DUH! Dave LaCourse

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I obviously missed somthing, what happened with George?

He t-boned the gtoup for a while. LOL. And yet another phrase is born. Thanks Charlie. Dave LaCourse

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Come on back! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. — Doug Knight metalfab<atpacbell.net

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I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing.

I don’t think Powell Rods is in Chico anymore….Bill Kiene..you would know this…where is Powell Rods now?….Greg H.

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I really don’t think he’s is gone. That bird of his needed to stretch her wings and test her new belly. He is probably in Chico with Powell doing the Bastard thing. I don’t think Powell Rods is in Chico anymore….Bill Kiene..you would know this…where is Powell Rods now?….Greg H.

Sacramento. They still make good rods. — something bogus to avoid spam)

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Now excuse me whilst I fetch another Ol’ Mill. Yer Bud (I’ll tie flies fer you free anyday) Bruce

You have got to do something about your image here. Might be the beer? Yes possible so. You’ve got to stop buying any brew that comes in 12’s or 24’s. I know, being a tyier that kind of habit is hard to break. Work on it, and find something that tastes kind of bitter at first, and then continue until the taste kind of grows on you. Then you start experimenting of other beers. Who knows? Even someone might even offer you some of that Famous Grouse. You’re welcome. If you are man of your word like MR.G I’ll take 2 dozen Yellow Stimulators size 12. I’m paying real close attention on this Bastard thing ’cause G’s building the 7 1/2 footers first and I’m right up there near the beginning of the line. I got to name that line, "HAPPY HOOKER," just what every good Bastard needs. What the hell is a SPAM MAGGOT? Some kind of Alaska Grizzly bear actractor?:^)Yes ugly as hell, my dog won’t even get near me. — Doug Knight metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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Come on back! Doug Knight metalfab<atpacbell.net

You get a gold fucking star and a big fat "THANK YOU!" from me bud. No bullsit. If you werent so dawg ass ugly I’d kiss ya smack on the mouth. Snap man, G is a resource people- only ugly fucking americans piss away their resources so blindly… Now excuse me whilst I fetch another Ol’ Mill. Yer Bud (I’ll tie flies fer you free anyday) Bruce

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Now excuse me whilst I fetch another Ol’ Mill. Yer Bud (I’ll tie flies fer you free anyday) Bruce You have got to do something about your image here.

Image is nada to me- I could giva shit. Might be the beer?

Count on it. (And the unexpected, occasionally no doubt.) Yes possible so. You’ve got to stop buying any brew that comes in 12’s or 24’s.

4 4 packs to just get rolling. I know, being a tyier that kind of habit is hard to break. Work on it, and find something that tastes kind of bitter at first, and then continue until the taste kind of grows on you. Then you start experimenting of other beers. Who knows? Even someone might even offer you some of that Famous Grouse. You’re welcome.

Old Mill/mud aint exactly sweet- if I were a rich man I’d suck the Grouses down like there’s no tomorrow.. thanks fer the sip bro- I needed that. If you are man of your word like MR.G I’ll take 2 dozen Yellow Stimulators size 12.

(I likes the blue ones a lots better. heh heh ie Val. I am I am…) E-mail me an address. I build bugs. You sure you want Stimulators? I can do better than that. No jive- send a po box # er what ever… I’m paying real close attention on this Bastard thing ’cause G’s building the 7 1/2 footers first and I’m right up there near the beginning of the line. I got to name that line, "HAPPY HOOKER," just what every good Bastard needs.

Indeed. You speak the truth. You have my vote Doug. What the hell is a SPAM MAGGOT? Some kind of Alaska Grizzly bear actractor?:^)Yes ugly as hell, my dog won’t even get near me.

Spam Maggots are us- Just send an e-mail and you’ll see! arf arf. Funny you say that- I have a huge Pink Floyd poster over my tying desk and upon it is inscribed (by yers truly of course) "Flies are Us- {don’t mind the maggots}" A sick ref to the Rolling Stones. This header was obviously a bad idea. I feel sorry fer that. G is a good man. G has treated myself w/ dignity and undertsanding- even where either of us might have been at fault. He ought (yes in strict Kantian style) to be appreciated for who he is. Not what mind you, but who. I could go on and on about sissy fucking whiners- People who post pure shit and people who post nothing a’tall. I am vocal. I say considerably too much more often than not. I guess G’s the same in a lot of ways. But his intent is what counts. I wish him only perfection on the rod line- as that is not just what he seeks, but what he deserves. I have goods to sell also and my approach is utterly different- (not better, not worse) but he and I are the same too- in that we want our patron’s expectations to be realized. You aint gotta love the maker fer his product. You gotta love the product. The ‘maker’ is just another one of us… Brain Salad Surgery Making Itself Clear, Bruce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Doug Knight metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.

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I hear Monica Lewinsky is an established "fly" fisher . Geez do I need to go fishing . Rain , rain go away , come back when I have to go to work Monday !!!

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I understand she is a catch and release ‘fly fisher’! — Good fishing, and may your fish be as big as your tales!

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I understand she is a catch and release ‘fly fisher’! — Good fishing, and may your fish be as big as your tales!

For the most part Bob , although Kenn Starr found a bunch of little fishes in one of her dresses that she took home . But that was probably an isolated incident .

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Bassndood: You and Bob realize that Ken Starr & Linda Tripp are the same person don’t you? See http://members.aol.com/scarien/rockford.htm Cliff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I understand she is a catch and release ‘fly fisher’! — Good fishing, and may your fish be as big as your tales! For the most part Bob , although Kenn Starr found a bunch of little fishes in one of her dresses that she took home . But that was probably an isolated incident .

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I have made a new page about fishing. At this site can you find tips, trics and much more. And now I wanna start about flyfishing. Has someone tips or trics for my page at http://fishingsite.mypage.org You can e-mail me too.

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Looking for any information on working Bamboo?–

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Looking for any information on working Bamboo?–

If you know any soldiers who have had experience in tropical jungle country they should know quite a lot about the use of bamboo. Two genders - male and female – the male being smaller in diameter and more solid than the female which cam be of large diameter but hollw with relatively thin walls. Chairs are more often made from Rattan which grows in conditions similst]r to bamboo and has very sharp spikes amongst its leaves. That is about all I can tell you as I have only used it within the jungle scene using a khukri to cut it and split it to make beds, tables and the like. The hollow inside the female variety is good for cooking rice or stuffing with explosive. — Charles (Joe) Stahelin Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK

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Looking for any information on working Bamboo?– If you know any soldiers who have had experience in tropical jungle country they should know quite a lot about the use of bamboo. Two genders - male and female – the male being smaller in diameter and more solid than the female which cam be of large diameter but hollw with relatively thin walls. Chairs are more often made from Rattan which grows in conditions similst]r to bamboo and has very sharp spikes amongst its leaves. That is about all I can tell you as I have only used it within the jungle scene using a khukri to cut it and split it to make beds, tables and the like. The hollow inside the female variety is good for cooking rice or stuffing with explosive.

Please do not forget its use as an ersatz mortar tube. Propped up at an angle and lashed to another piece of bamboo which had been lashed horizontally between two trees. To this day I cannot figure out how they managed to get the trajectories so close!

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I have seen bamboo laminates (3-ply) used for flooring recently. According to the literature I read, it is actually harder than Red Oak, and makes a very interesting floor due to the very fine grain, or what resembles grain, and the nodes seem to be spaced very uniformily. I have no idea how they remanufacture the finished product, but I am assuming they use the Timber type which grows 60+feet in a season. I’d be interested to know how they mill it, etc.. Good luck. . .

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Intermediate Technology Publications publishes a book entitled: Building with Bamboo: A handbook , Second Edition It is 88 pages and costs 9 pounds. It discusses preparing bamboo for construction use, joints, and common building practices. Please email me if you want more information re: publisher address, etc. Sorry, I discarded the original poster’s name and address. Douglas Stockman

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I have seen bamboo laminates (3-ply) used for flooring recently. According to the literature I read, it is actually harder than Red Oak, and makes a very interesting floor due to the very fine grain, or what resembles grain, and the nodes seem to be spaced very uniformily. I have no idea how they remanufacture the finished product, but I am assuming they use the Timber type which grows 60+feet in a season. I’d be interested to know how they mill it, etc.. Good luck. . . Bamboo’s actually a very fast growing species of grass, grows something like 1-2" per day. It’s a light weight, excellent material for things like kite frames or construction scaffolding. I’ve seen pics in Nat. Geo. of Taiwanese construction crews using the stuff for scaffolds reaching 10-12 stories above ground. It can be worked by splitting, planing, and scraping.

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I’m new to the group…So far I like what I see.. I am looking for 2" diameter or larger bamboo to use for door frame and window frame in a special project. I searched all of my suppliers here in the Southeast. Closest I got was fresh stalks from the Atlanta Zoo. I would like something that was already cured. I would appreciate a suppliers name and number. Thanks in advance. David Holec Exhibit Manager SciTrek – Science and Tecnology Adventure Atlanta GA

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Hello, My dad has some contacts in Japan and could get some Japanes bamboo (larger diameter), but probably wouldn’t be cost effective unless you wanted a large amount. There is a forum about bamboo at www.woodfibre.com. You might want to pose the same question there and they should be able to help. Don Yasaki HH & NK Co., Ltd. Kings Mtn., NC Kiln-dried Hardwoods – Sawmill Direct Prices tel (704) 739-6914 fax (704) 739-7336 http://www.unc.edu/~dyasaki – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m new to the group…So far I like what I see.. I am looking for 2" diameter or larger bamboo to use for door frame and window frame in a special project. I searched all of my suppliers here in the Southeast. Closest I got was fresh stalks from the Atlanta Zoo. I would like something that was already cured. I would appreciate a suppliers name and number. Thanks in advance. David Holec Exhibit Manager SciTrek – Science and Tecnology Adventure Atlanta GA

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Try these two URL’s: http://www.bamboo.org/abs/ http://www.communety.com/mintec/welcome.html Keith Bohn b2d – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m new to the group…So far I like what I see.. I am looking for 2" diameter or larger bamboo to use for door frame and window frame in a special project. I searched all of my suppliers here in the Southeast. Closest I got was fresh stalks from the Atlanta Zoo. I would like something that was already cured. I would appreciate a suppliers name and number. Thanks in advance. David Holec Exhibit Manager SciTrek – Science and Tecnology Adventure Atlanta GA

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Does anyone have ideas or plans for making things out of Bamboo trees? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –