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Know nothing about fly fishing. Was in Colorado River County park Parker, AZ couple weeks ago. They have a pond next to the river and separated by net. A lady sitting there keep throwing hook(?) out and keep getting trout(?) up. The waiting time is like couple minutes. It must be the place to build your confidence. My wife had a chat with her. She is from Washington State and been there for 3 months now.

Wonder if it is the same lady that was hauling in nice catfish last year using hot dogs for bait? LZ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – =

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 VC is 20 minutes down the road.  I could certianly take you on a tour if your in the area and show you some stuff that is not on the brochures.

Been to Virginia City and loved it!  Will let you know next time. Hunter

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Know nothing about fly fishing. Was in Colorado River County park Parker, AZ couple weeks ago. They have a pond next to the river and separated by net. A lady sitting there keep throwing hook(?) out and keep getting trout(?) up. The waiting time is like couple minutes. It must be the place to build your confidence. My wife had a chat with her. She is from Washington State and been there for 3 months now. =OK.  I got a new RV so I could get on the road and not worry about the oil =leaks and dry rot on the older 76 rig.  I love that old rig, but would not =take it more than 100 miles from home (my safety zone).  Now I’m free.  I =added a 2000/4000 watt inverter and solar panels so I could boondock and not =have to listen to the generator and I carry two 50 gallon drums of fresh =dinking water in a trailer in addition to the water in the MH tank.  So I =can boondock, but don’t have to. = =I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to =walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV =but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a =few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday =present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my =own creations. = =So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week =vacation.  I’d like to go somewhere around end of March or beginning of =April.  And a bonus would be an opportunity to spank a turkey, but if going =to Canada would probably opt to leave guns behind. (I know I can take a =shotgun, but don’t want to).  So…if you were based in Reno, where and why =would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences. = =I’m getting so excited about this I can’t focus at work. = =Thanks for any suggestions. = =Nate = — E-Mail: Cool Underscore Underscore Hand at Hotmail DOT KOM FAX: 775-243-6288 One of the BEST Free GPS Mapping Program Garmap http://www.catnet.ne.jp/fukuda/garmap/e_garmap.html Since people makes mistakes, how can we trust any interpretation of anything?

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I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations.

You’re asking the wrong newsgroup. Take this question to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly for ideas on where to go in your area, there are posters there who live in your vicinity. And also check into rec.outdoors.fishing.fly.tying for the obvious reason.

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<snip I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations. So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week vacation.  I’d like to go somewhere around end of March or beginning of April.  And a bonus would be an opportunity to spank a turkey, but if going to Canada would probably opt to leave guns behind. (I know I can take a shotgun, but don’t want to).  So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences.

<snip Have you been to the Hat Creek area in No. California?  It’s world famous for it’s fly fishing – don’t know about turkey season.  There are several Forest Service Campgrounds on Hat Creek that runs along Highway 89 north of Lassen Park.  One that is out of the way and right on the creek is Big Pine, part of the Lassen National Forest campground system.  I believe that it can handle units up to 26′ in length but it might be 24′ and they only have about 20 sites.  There are several others in the area but many are right next to the Highway and not as quiet during the day.  You can look at some of them at their website: http://www.r5.fs.fed.us/lassen/hat_creek.htm.  Weather would still be a bit on the cool side at night but daytime temps should be pleasant and the countryside is hard to beat. Baby Sis

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK.  I got a new RV so I could get on the road and not worry about the oil leaks and dry rot on the older 76 rig.  I love that old rig, but would not take it more than 100 miles from home (my safety zone).  Now I’m free.  I added a 2000/4000 watt inverter and solar panels so I could boondock and not have to listen to the generator and I carry two 50 gallon drums of fresh dinking water in a trailer in addition to the water in the MH tank.  So I can boondock, but don’t have to. I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations. So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week vacation.  I’d like to go somewhere around end of March or beginning of April.  And a bonus would be an opportunity to spank a turkey, but if going to Canada would probably opt to leave guns behind. (I know I can take a shotgun, but don’t want to).  So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences. I’m getting so excited about this I can’t focus at work. Thanks for any suggestions. Nate

I liked the Laughlin area (way far south Nevada, about 100 Miles S of LV), right by the Colorado river, very warm (even in the winter), has a few lakes, lots of RV parks, lots to do, Bull Head City and Kingman AZ across the river, lots of boondocking places not far away, and even a bit further south is Lake Havasu. I liked it so much I went there for vacation for two weeks, and ended up staying 6 months. Laughlin, Nevada – Laughlin Nevada’s Official Web Site. Check out their website at: http://www.enjoylaughlin.com/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK.  I got a new RV so I could get on the road and not worry about the oil leaks and dry rot on the older 76 rig.  I love that old rig, but would not take it more than 100 miles from home (my safety zone).  Now I’m free.  I added a 2000/4000 watt inverter and solar panels so I could boondock and not have to listen to the generator and I carry two 50 gallon drums of fresh dinking water in a trailer in addition to the water in the MH tank.  So I can boondock, but don’t have to. I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations. So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week vacation.  I’d like to go somewhere around end of March or beginning of April.  And a bonus would be an opportunity to spank a turkey, but if going to Canada would probably opt to leave guns behind. (I know I can take a shotgun, but don’t want to).  So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences. I’m getting so excited about this I can’t focus at work. Thanks for any suggestions. Nate

A friend of ours can’t wait to get back to Oregon for the spring salmon fishing on the Umpqua.  I think the season opens on the 23rd of March. Spring turkey hunting would be pretty iffy.  I don’t know of any state that sells non-resident licenses over the counter, except maybe in the south.  Many are by lottery only and you have to apply long in advance. Have fun. LZ

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 So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences.

If I got a new rig I would do a shakedown weekend up the hill in Virginia City. Hunter

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… I carry two 50 gallon drums of fresh dinking water in a trailer in addition to the water in the MH tank.  So I can boondock, but don’t have to.

Hey, Nate. What are you going to do with the "used" water? Maybe you could pump it into a couple of empty 50 gallon drums, carried for the purpose. I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations. So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week vacation.

… Any place in the Great Basin is going to have cold nights. If you don’t mind a bit of snow, in addition to the cold nights, how ’bout the Ruby Mountains, about 10 miles south of Elko? There’s a Nat’l Forest campground there (check to Web). –RW

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 So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences. If I got a new rig I would do a shakedown weekend up the hill in Virginia City. Hunter

I failed to mention that I did 26 shake down trips to various lakes in Northern California and North Western Nevada last summer.  Been there, done that.  VC is 20 minutes down the road.  I could certianly take you on a tour if your in the area and show you some stuff that is not on the brochures. We used to hunt rattle snakes in the area so bring some snake shot!  Yikes! Nate

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OK.  I got a new RV so I could get on the road and not worry about the oil leaks and dry rot on the older 76 rig.  I love that old rig, but would not take it more than 100 miles from home (my safety zone).  Now I’m free.  I added a 2000/4000 watt inverter and solar panels so I could boondock and not have to listen to the generator and I carry two 50 gallon drums of fresh dinking water in a trailer in addition to the water in the MH tank.  So I can boondock, but don’t have to. I’m in Reno, NV.  I love the west.  I love the outdoors.  I like to walk/hike, ride mountain bikes, use metal detectors to find relics, have ATV but rarely use it.  But my true passion is fly fishing.  I just started a few years ago when my brother in law gave me lessons and gear as a birthday present.  I started tying my own flys, but have yet to catch something on my own creations. So now the question of the day is, where am I going next month on a two week vacation.  I’d like to go somewhere around end of March or beginning of April.  And a bonus would be an opportunity to spank a turkey, but if going to Canada would probably opt to leave guns behind. (I know I can take a shotgun, but don’t want to).  So…if you were based in Reno, where and why would you go?  Where would you stay?  Tell me about your experiences. I’m getting so excited about this I can’t focus at work. Thanks for any suggestions. Nate

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Nifty little 5 oz flask packadged with bottles of Cutty Sark for holiday giving.  Keep the flask, slap a bow on the Cutty Sark and give it to your brother-in-law.  Or keep the Cutty Sark and use it to cut Carolan’s Irish Creme 50/50 (that stuffs too sweet and sticky to drink by itself, but no use adding the good stuff to it).  Or use the Cutty Sark to clean your pipe collection. Flask is stainless steel with a charcoal finish, hinged cap keeper, lovingly hand-crafted in far-off and exotic China. The healthful benefits of having a wee nip to keep away the dew while flyfishing cannot be overstressed, and of course, it is unethical to bring a fine fish to hand without toasting his merry health afterwards. And, as is well known, purported "flyfishermen" who drink beer, are actually closet bait-fisherman who are afraid to touch worms. Anyway, nice little flask, it would look really fine with some MacCallan or Famous Grouse in it. Timothy Juvenal

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And, as is well known, purported "flyfishermen" who drink beer, are actually closet bait-fisherman who are afraid to touch worms.

        good post.  many will agree. wayno, courageous even though ominous rumblings are heard from the direction of chambana, illiniville…

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And, as is well known, purported "flyfishermen" who drink beer, are actually closet bait-fisherman who are afraid to touch worms. good post.  many will agree. wayno, courageous even though ominous rumblings are heard from the direction of chambana, illiniville…

Well, here’s one beer drinking flyfisher who ain’t afeared to touch worms. Had a lot of fun at a couple of ROFFian claves feeding them to scotch drinkers who may have had one glass too many.        :) Wolfgang no pictures please!

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"Wolfgang"  wrote … Well, here’s one beer drinking flyfisher who ain’t afeared to touch worms. Had a lot of fun at a couple of ROFFian claves feeding them to scotch drinkers who may have had one glass too many.        :)

Ahh, it seems beer has indeed impaired your thinking: 1.  No such thing as too much Scotch. 2.  Tequilla drinkers are the ones you have to watch out for around the worms.  And of course, watch out for those Saki drinkers around cut bait. 8^)

Timothy Juvenal

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Hi Doug, Thanks for the comment.  I kinda like the style.  It’s different!  ;) For power on mine, I’m going with the merCruiser 6cyl. diesel.  That will give me 225 HP at each prop.  I’m also going to use the Bravo 3 outdrive.

Hey Mark, help me out here.  Why are you choosing the Bravo 3 outdrive for a twin engine application?  What advantage is there as compared to any of the less expensive alternatives? Who builds that engine?  It sounds like a great engine for that application. Regards, Tom Brown

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                        *** big snip *** Shameless plug for MaxWeld boats … see thier site at: http://www.maxweldboats.com/ You’re getting a really cool boat…I love its looks. — Harry Krause

Thanks Harry.  I’m not too sure about the looks.  I kinda like the looks of a boat with a well appointed fly bridge better.  However, the boat *should* be really functional and they *are* extremely stable fishing platforms and that means a lot more to me than looks.  (besides the fact that they are "hell-built" for stout!) Still having trouble deciding on colors and a name for her.  The wife and I have decided (with a little coaching from the builder) to paint the cabin the same grey as the pictures show and we are going to go with a black back deck.  I thought something lighter, but Andy says that the black deck is a lot easier to maintain.  I personally think that when the sun shines on it the back deck is going to get awful warm!  Whatever we decide … No White in the work area!!  Makes my tired old eyes hurt!  ;) -mArk-  (who finds naming a boat harder than naming kids!  ;))

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Doug, Thanks for the comment.  I kinda like the style.  It’s different!  ;) For power on mine, I’m going with the merCruiser 6cyl. diesel.  That will give me 225 HP at each prop.  I’m also going to use the Bravo 3 outdrive. Andy will set them up with almost any type of power that you want.  The one he just finished building (basicly the same boat I’m getting) had twin Cummins with jet pumps type outdrives.  I don’t know if he has build one that is a true inboard yet, but he has been talking about it.  It’s just a matter of what the customer wants.  He’s *very* flexible. I looked at several different engines before I picked the merCruisers.  I had originally picked the Volvo 6cyl. diesel, but Andy told me that there had been quite a few warranty issues (new engines that needed work) and that Volvo had not been real good about honoring the warranty.  He said that having your new boat have to go in right away for engine work kind of soured the whole boat buying process and suggested that I go with the merCruiser for dependability sake. Andy worked out a deal with the merCruiser dealer to get the engines at the same price as those from Volvo.  They usually cost about $2000 an issue more. The Cummins engines are like $10k more.  Kinda outa my price range! -mArk-                          (not speaking for the company) Shameless plug for MaxWeld boats … see thier site at: http://www.maxweldboats.com/

You’re getting a really cool boat…I love its looks. — Harry Krause I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family. -GW Bush

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Wow-Cooool Cat ! What’s the power ? Do they offer inboards in a catamaran ? Doug Miller

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it. I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits. He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk-

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Hi Doug, Thanks for the comment.  I kinda like the style.  It’s different!  ;) For power on mine, I’m going with the merCruiser 6cyl. diesel.  That will give me 225 HP at each prop.  I’m also going to use the Bravo 3 outdrive. Hey Mark, help me out here.  Why are you choosing the Bravo 3 outdrive for a twin engine application?  What advantage is there as compared to any of the less expensive alternatives? Who builds that engine?  It sounds like a great engine for that application. Regards, Tom Brown

Hi Tom.  It’s another one of those hell-built-for-stout things that I’m so hung up on.  I want equiptment that won’t fail (or at least has less chance of failure) when I’m a hundred miles from shore.  There is also the fact that the twin props give you a little more umph.  Besides, Andy catagoricly refuses to use "cheap" stuff on his boats.  He only wants to use the best he can get in any given class.  The Bravo 3 is much stouter than any of the Alpha drives and actually has quite a few design improvements over the Bravo 1 & 2 outdrives. I believe Andy told me that the engine blocks actually come from Isuzu (sp?). All the bolt on stuff is Mercury specific.  I just hope these engines are as bullet proof (idiot proof??  ;)) as I’ve been led to believe.  I spent a lot of time researching both the merCruiser and the Volvo diesel offerings and they seemed pretty close.  Part of the decision was based on the builders recommondation (and I trust Andy a lot … known him for a lot of years!). -mArk-   (who beleives that down fishing time means lost revenue)

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Hi Doug, Thanks for the comment.  I kinda like the style.  It’s different!  ;) For power on mine, I’m going with the merCruiser 6cyl. diesel.  That will give me 225 HP at each prop.  I’m also going to use the Bravo 3 outdrive. Andy will set them up with almost any type of power that you want.  The one he just finished building (basicly the same boat I’m getting) had twin Cummins with jet pumps type outdrives.  I don’t know if he has build one that is a true inboard yet, but he has been talking about it.  It’s just a matter of what the customer wants.  He’s *very* flexible. I looked at several different engines before I picked the merCruisers.  I had originally picked the Volvo 6cyl. diesel, but Andy told me that there had been quite a few warranty issues (new engines that needed work) and that Volvo had not been real good about honoring the warranty.  He said that having your new boat have to go in right away for engine work kind of soured the whole boat buying process and suggested that I go with the merCruiser for dependability sake. Andy worked out a deal with the merCruiser dealer to get the engines at the same price as those from Volvo.  They usually cost about $2000 an issue more. The Cummins engines are like $10k more.  Kinda outa my price range! -mArk-                          (not speaking for the company) Shameless plug for MaxWeld boats … see thier site at: http://www.maxweldboats.com/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wow-Cooool Cat ! What’s the power ? Do they offer inboards in a catamaran ? Doug Miller Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it. I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits. He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk-

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it.  I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits.  He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk- Sounds woodlike. What is she? — Harry Krause Naw … we’ve talked about this one a little before … it’s an aluminum Catamaran style hull with twin merCrusier 6cyl. diesels.  Pictures at: http://www.maxweldboats.com The picture on the first page is a 27′ version of what my boat is going to be.  You looked at this one once before and told me that you’d feel safe about going out to sea in a boat like that … -mArk-

You are correct. When you started discussing bulkheads and frame, I immediately thought of wood. — Harry Krause The students at Yale came from all different backgrounds and all parts of the country. Within months, I knew many of them. -GW Bush

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it.  I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits.  He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk- Sounds woodlike. What is she? — Harry Krause

Naw … we’ve talked about this one a little before … it’s an aluminum Catamaran style hull with twin merCrusier 6cyl. diesels.  Pictures at: http://www.maxweldboats.com The picture on the first page is a 27′ version of what my boat is going to be.  You looked at this one once before and told me that you’d feel safe about going out to sea in a boat like that … -mArk-

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it.  I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits.  He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk-

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Went down to the coast last Friday (3/23) so that I could stop in and see what progress has been made on the new boat.  Took Andy and crew 2 weeks to lay the bulkheads and stringers, but the boat is finally right-side up and starting to take shape!!  They started putting the sides of the hulls on so it actually is starting to look like a boat!  I’m getting really excited as things start to take shape! Whilst I was looking at what they had done during the week Andy told me that he didn’t think the boat had a deck length of 28′10" as we originally agreed too (he has stated several times that all sizes are estimates as each hull is layed by hand and everything is custom).  He put the tape on it and came up with the new length of 29′9".  He looked at me and smiled and say something to the affect of "I didn’t think you’d mind the extra (almost) foot of length".  ;)  Too Cool! He’s also decided to change the "swim platfrom" from 36" to 42".  He was saying that the extra 6" doesn’t seem like much, but it really makes a difference when you are out on it.  WAY Cool!  ;) Still haven’t picked a color scheme or a name, but we are working on it.  I was going to use some of the commercial gear off’n "Fish Assassin" (my 22′ dory) but Andy says "nope".  He does not like the galvanized davits for the down-riggers and is going to build me some custom made Stainless davits.  He is also going to build me some custom aluminum outriggers … length to be determined, but they look like they want to be about 28′ with forstays built into them. WhooWhee!!  Can’t hardly contain myself waiting for the magical day when I get to take delivery (about June 16th)!!  ;)  ;) -mArk-

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Forgive him Don, for he knows not what he’s done….. Attention everyone!  Pray for this poster. hehe

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Simple question–  is there any way to overcome the problem of wanting to cast a small, light floating lure out onto a lake–when the durn thing is too light to cast farther than the closest tule?   I’ve used split shot and put the lure on a real long leader, but that only works to a certain depth.  Any thoughts or tips appreciated! Randy

 I came by this by accident, when my nephew shut the car door on the tip of a flyrod of mine. It lopped off about 8 inches and made it tough to use as a flyrod again. During the big snow storms we had tthis winter I was messing around in the basement and found two old spinning reels Wasn’t using anymore and cleaned them up. Looking around, I spotted the old flyrod and decided what the hell and taped one on. I took it out two days ago and it acts like a 7 1/2 foot long ultralight. It’ll sling the smallest rebel minow a pretty far distance . Haven’t caught anything on it yet but I think it will do great for crappie and other small fish, and a small mouth will probably be something else. The rod seems to load itself, so the weight of the lure doesn’t matter as much. Bill C.

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: to cast a small, light floating lure out onto a lake–when the durn : thing is too light to cast farther than the closest tule?   : I’ve used split shot and put the lure on a real long leader, but : that only works to a certain depth.  Any thoughts or tips appreciated! : A very light, longish rod can help (spinning, of course…).  Or a flyrod… More practically, use a small bobber for weight. … greg pavlov

And I have heard of this baitfisherman’s trick: use an ice cube or a sugar cube as a "sinker".  You wrap the line around your ice cube in a double hitch and pull for a moment – the line is supposed to cut in a bit. Then you cast and the extra weight melts/dissolves. It sounds like it might work for baits that sit there for a while. I haven’t tried it myself…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Simple question–  is there any way to overcome the problem of wanting to cast a small, light floating lure out onto a lake–when the durn thing is too light to cast farther than the closest tule?   I’ve used split shot and put the lure on a real long leader, but that only works to a certain depth.  Any thoughts or tips appreciated! Randy — Randy: The simplest solution is to attach a bobber about 36" above the lure. The bobber provides plenty of wieght for casting, but won’t sink your floating lure. If you’re concerned about the bobber spooking the fish, use one of the small clear plastic jobs. Good fishing…. Robert Maxwell

There are bobbers made specifically for this purpose, like the clear plastic ones Robert mentions.  They hamper your ability to control the lure, like for small poppers.  But, they do allow you to cast a very light lure without learning to use a fly rod. Of course, the other option is to buy a fly rod/reel and start practicing.   That’s something I can do when I retire. 8-] Richard

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Simple question–  is there any way to overcome the problem of wanting to cast a small, light floating lure out onto a lake–when the durn thing is too light to cast farther than the closest tule?   I’ve used split shot and put the lure on a real long leader, but that only works to a certain depth.  Any thoughts or tips appreciated!

I’d try the same technique for casting a fly (with a spinning rod) long distance.  Try a clear plastic bubble.  You can control the depth by changing the amount of water you put in it.  Fill it about halfway and it won’t sink.  Using an ultralight rod and reel with 2# test line (max) will make it much easier as well. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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: Simple question–  is there any way to overcome the problem of wanting : to cast a small, light floating lure out onto a lake–when the durn : thing is too light to cast farther than the closest tule?   : I’ve used split shot and put the lure on a real long leader, but : that only works to a certain depth.  Any thoughts or tips appreciated! : Randy : — : Randy: : The simplest solution is to attach a bobber about 36" above the lure. You can also use a lighter test line.  Next, start fooling around with rod/reel combos, but that’s more expensive. — Jeff Smith                                     Graduate student http://www.msc.cornell.edu/~jeffs         Cornell University, Ithaca, NY

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Simple question–  is there any way to overcome the problem of wanting to cast a small, light floating lure out onto a lake–when the durn thing is too light to cast farther than the closest tule?   I’ve used split shot and put the lure on a real long leader, but that only works to a certain depth.  Any thoughts or tips appreciated! Randy —

Randy: The simplest solution is to attach a bobber about 36" above the lure. The bobber provides plenty of wieght for casting, but won’t sink your floating lure. If you’re concerned about the bobber spooking the fish, use one of the small clear plastic jobs. Good fishing…. Robert Maxwell

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Simple question–  is there any way to overcome the problem of wanting to cast a small, light floating lure out onto a lake–when the durn thing is too light to cast farther than the closest tule?   I’ve used split shot and put the lure on a real long leader, but that only works to a certain depth.  Any thoughts or tips appreciated! Randy —

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Hi all, are there any flyfishing related shows coming up in Seattle in the next few weeks? Al.

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Yes, there is a show this week in the Kingdome.  It is not a fly fish only show.  However it will feature presentation casting, fly shops, etc.  Most of the major manufacturers should be there too. SAGE, etc. It is the International Sportsman Exhib.  Usually a very good show, one of my favourites. Best Fishes, Marilyn Murphy Murphy’s Sportfishing Vancouver Island, BC "Your West Coast Fishing Information Source"

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[snip] : participants of this newsgroup. Reading the story was somewhat eerie. Had : Duncan been lurking in the background, reading the pointless and : frequently nasty arguments between fly-fishing purists (who would never : use an Orvis rod and would drown anyone they saw with a celular phone) : and the evil fly fishing yuppies, who unabashedly use Orvis, make money, : and contaminate the purists’ streams with their very presence? I : seriously doubt that Duncan has been listening in; this ridiculous debate : must be played out on streams and in bars and fly shops all around the : country. I don’t know if he passes through here, but I’m pretty sure he lives in Montana now.  He lives it every day.  I wonder if he has a personalized license plate? Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

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I don’t know if he passes through here, but I’m pretty sure he lives in   Montana now.  He lives it every day.  I wonder if he has a personalized   license plate? Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    |  These University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    |  opinions Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. |  are mine.

Rick,     He does live in Montana now, bought a place a year or so ago.  Probably does drive thru Moscow as he still comes to Portland from time to time for readings and the odd appearance at a club meetings.                         Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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I agree with the above.  The *introduction* , where he describes river teeth is worth the price of the book.  Longspeer

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David James Duncan’s new book <iRiver Teeth<i is, simply put, absolutely wonderful. I’d highly recommend it to anyone who enjoys good writing. Many of the pieces in this book –I’m not sure whether to call them stories or essays — are not "fishing stories", but several of them are, and one of these, "Not Rocking the Boat" should be required reading for participants of this newsgroup. Reading the story was somewhat eerie. Had Duncan been lurking in the background, reading the pointless and frequently nasty arguments between fly-fishing purists (who would never use an Orvis rod and would drown anyone they saw with a celular phone) and the evil fly fishing yuppies, who unabashedly use Orvis, make money, and contaminate the purists’ streams with their very presence? I seriously doubt that Duncan has been listening in; this ridiculous debate must be played out on streams and in bars and fly shops all around the country. I haven’t quite finished the book yet, but all of the pieces I have read so far have been top-notch writing. No real surprise there. "The Mickey Mantle Koan" (not one of the "fishing stories") is worth the price of the book all by itself. Dave Guinee

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I would apperciate any info on stillwater flies and stillwater fishing.(the best flies and their artificial possibly??) I want to start fishing the mountain lakes up  in the cascades this summer in Oregon. THANKS-SO-MUCH!!!!!! Ron

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I would apperciate any info on stillwater flies and stillwater fishing.(the best flies and their artificial possibly??) I want to start fishing the mountain lakes up  in the cascades this summer in Oregon.

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I would apperciate any info on stillwater flies and stillwater fishing.(the best flies and their artificial possibly??) I want to start fishing the mountain lakes up  in the cascades this summer in Oregon. THANKS-SO-MUCH!!!!!!

For this region you should read Brian Chan’s  Stillwater flyfishing strategies from Frank Amato pubs.  He describes the bugs and life and flies and retrieves for each. Here’s my contribution: A large part of the trout diet in the rich alkaline lakes of the eastern slopes is made up of scuds (gammarus) and midges (chironomids).  I tie small nymphs entirely of maribou – I think the maribou moves well in the water on very slow retrieves. I can fish them on a sink line near the bottom to imitate the scuds with a few quick strips then stop for a few seconds.  Or I can imitate the chironomids nymphs by using a floating line and long leader, letting the fly sink well down then using a very slow twitch retrieve so the fly is moving up towards the surface. Vinnie Fluffy: Tail – 5-10 maribou ends. Body – same 5-10 maribou fibers, twisted together then wrapped up the shank as you would wool or dubbing. The fibers should make a soft fuzzy tapered body. Hackle/collar – optional – collar of peacock herl or maribou tips tied in. Try olive, brown, orange, grey or black. Prince Nymphs, Pheasant tails, and hare’s ears in sizes 12-18 all work well for me in these waters. Leechs are also very effective in east side lakes, best fished SLOWLY on intermediate lines.  This is a whole ‘nother science that I don’t have time to expound on now.  If you have the money you would learn priceless knowledge and guarantee future success by hiring guides Jay Fair of Susanville CA or Denny Richards of Klamath Falls OR for their advanced stillwater flies and techniques. BTW, try to resist the temptation to use less than 5 lb.tippet; you’ll regret it.  Point the rod straight down the line so you can really feel it directly and keep your drag loose. Mark Vinsel Visit my gallery: http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.HTML

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Several of us are trying to get a Chat Room set up on Prodigy and a conference room on AOL so that we can talk with each other, tell or stories about the one that gotr away or what ever. To do this we need to show interest. If your into this and subscribe to Prodigy or AOL let me know and I’ll pass the info on Thanks Fishing the Green in Utah

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Several of us are trying to get a Chat Room set up on Prodigy and a conference room on AOL so that we can talk with each other, tell or stories about the one that gotr away or what ever. To do this we need to show interest. If your into this and subscribe to Prodigy or AOL let me know and I’ll pass the info on.

You might consider getting in contact with Alan Dechovitz on AOL, his handle is Caribe Duo. He already runs two nets a month. Currently they are held on the first tuesday and third sunday on each month. He is expanding the net to include guest speakers for Febuary and March. See ya, Bob

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I am on AOL. My screen name is Fishingfly. From S.E. Idaho. I am very interested in a chat. Also holding Eastern Idaho fly tying expo in Pocatello on April 8 at the Quality Inn. 70 top tyers from the west  

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interested in this

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I am AOL my screen name is Fishingfly. My name is Chuck Collins. I am from Pocatello, Idaho. Would be interested in Chat.

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Hi E.- I’m currently on Compuserve and AOL in a comparison mode.  My current thinking is AOl between the two but I am seriously condidering Internet instead of either of them.  Cheaper for me thru the U of Minn connection. However, I am always interested in talking flyfishing and I may stay with AOL.  CIS is just too damned expensive  -  almost twice the hourly cost for chat lines or BBS’s. I’ll be watching to see if you get something going. John Bjostad in Mpls

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Prefer CompuServe.

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Im interested my screen name is VinceT1027 contact me on AOL!!!

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sounds like a good idea let me know if it gets going

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im interested. im a ff. i sub to aol.

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i work for mk.  i am in seattle. im a ff. i would very much like a chat line in aol.  i am learning ff.

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An AOL chat line sounds good to me. You can get a rise out of me at tight lines! the bobinator   The Bobinator

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Yes This would be great so that we could pass informatiom around on where it is hot and where it is not.

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I’m interested, MG caddis

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I’m definitely interested. On AOL.  From MA.  Both fresh and salywater flyfishing.  Let me Know how it works out.                                                              Feltsole

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Ready any evening.

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Several of us are trying to get a Chat Room set up on Prodigy and a conference room on AOL so that we can talk with each other, tell or stories about the one that gotr away or what ever. To do this we need to show interest. If your into this and subscribe to Prodigy or AOL let me know and I’ll pass the info on.

As a subscriber of prodigy, please enter my interest in a bb or chat – great idea!

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I would really enjoy a conference room on AOL. Contact me when something develops. Thanks, PresG

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My screen name is DON1RENO I am interested in a room and maybe holding some seminars or workshops online for those hideous nights after work

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For all who wanted a Chat Room. AOL Keyword GS OTHER, Enter "Other Sports", highlight Chat Rooms, Choose Sports Rooms and then enter "Sideline" I’m not real sure what goes on in sidelines, but lets meet there Sat. evening at around 9:00PM EST. If need be, maybe we’ll just have to take it over for awhile. I want to thank all of you for your help and support in this, I’ve had about 40 replys. Thjanks

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Tight Lines and Screaming Reels Southern Style! Let me know Phil B.

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MartinR100 at AOL, would be interested.

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you got a rise out of me. i would like to be able to have real-time conversations on aol with persons who are hooked on flyfishing like me. stan in ca stan in ca

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I am new to the midwest and a local suggested I try the Pere Marquette. We live in Chicago, so I thought we’d make a weekend of the trip. I would appreciate the what, when, where, and how’s of fly fishing there for Salmon. Suggested camp grounds would be appreciated, as well as best route from Chicago and approximate travel time. Thanxs in advance, Bryan

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I am new to the midwest and a local suggested I try the Pere Marquette. We live in Chicago, so I thought we’d make a weekend of the trip. I would appreciate the what, when, where, and how’s of fly fishing there for Salmon. Suggested camp grounds would be appreciated, as well as best route from Chicago and approximate travel time. Thanxs in advance, Bryan

                                   * I am a native to MI (at least I am now) and I visit the PM rather frequently. If you email me at home I can give you phone numbers and the like for my favorite lodge.  I really like the Johnsons Pere Marquette lodge.  I have stayed there for only $35-/night midweek during the salmon season.  I don’t know what it is this year.  I now have a cabin of my own up there only 7 min. from the flies only water of the PM.  I suggest that you go mid-week if you can.  If you go, try to find the most inaccessible spot you can.  The river is so full of salmon you can practically walk across on their backs, in any hole in the river.  The trick is finding a place with few enough fellow fishermen that the fish haven’t already been spooked into oblivion.  A drift boat with a guide is an excellent solution if you have the money.  I have not done that yet, though.  The Johnsons lodge is also an Orvis shop (sorry) but they really are nice anyway.  They give away a really good map of the flies only section of the river.  It helps a lot.  Good luck.                                     * Lenny Bloksberg . . .

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