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" so I my be incommunicado for a while anyway.
so what’s different? –waldo
The cash register at your shop communicated just fine with me today, as did Tommy. Damn that fella can sell! Op
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – " so I my be incommunicado for a while anyway. so what’s different? –waldo
<SNIP Op –but maybe I will be able to afford to sex– Unlike ISP
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Line » Heaven
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For the rest of us, our heaven resides a little higher. Milwaukee ? — Ken Fortenberry OK, way f*****g higher! I *was* trying to be nice. If you like it, you ain’t there. Peter
OOPS, left off the smiley face. just kidding. Peter
And those discriminating beer drinkers were using it to wash down their SPAM sandwiches no doubt.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anybody notice the little slice of heaven inserted into the Vikings/Rams game ? There they were, at THE source, row after row of Budweiser longnecks making their way toward the homes of discriminating beer drinkers the world over. Be still my beating heart. — Ken Fortenberry
OK, way f*****g higher! I *was* trying to be nice. If you like it, you ain’t there. Ah you must of been thinking about Coors Light then 
No, no no no no! The Sweet Green Death from Golden is NOT heavenly! It’d better not be! If Coors is divine, then I’m becoming a satanist! Opt out == cop-out. What’s so hard to understand?
No, no no no no! The Sweet Green Death from Golden is NOT heavenly! It’d better not be! If Coors is divine, then I’m becoming a satanist!
But mixed with a little V8 juice, they make great red beers and that is about all it is good for. bc. — ROFF is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea — massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
But mixed with a little V8 juice, they make great red beers and that is about all it is good for.
When red beer sounds appealing in the am it generally means you went over the limit the previous night, and you’d better check your shorts for spots too<g. — Charlie…
says… <Snipped Here’s where I get lost. Unfortunately I have yet to develop the proper appreciation for beer. I’ve been gamely tasting when offered and I have done this from many parts of the world. I have tasted stuff that folks claim is "WONDERFUL" and others that people have claimed "Tastes like Horse Piss" (Although the mind boggles at how they can make that comparison…). I don’t get it. I mean, I like to think I do have taste buds. A nice juicy medium rare Ruth Chris Sirloin with Crispy Onions sets the saliva a flowin and anticipation running. Or, how about a nice tall cool glass of lemonade on a hot day? I can’t understand the flavor or beer…. I’ve drunk all manner of concoction and I can say that some I like and some I hate, but beer? They all taste roughly the same… (With the exception of Bitters and Guiness {More a chowder than a beer}) What am I missing? I read all about posts of guys who’ll come back from a long hot trip out on the waters and then heartily slake their thirst on their favorite brews. Me? I’d be quite happy with a Coke or a Sprite… Heck I’d take water over beer. Aside from the temperature of the beer the flavors are… Well lets just say all I taste is the high level of Carbonation and I do sense the alchohol. I do have a VERY sensitive taste for alchohol. I can taste it in baking and cooking. Specially stuff with wine as a base. In some cases I can get a buzz eating that stuff. It may be something specific to my physiology but I never could enjoy the drinking as much as others. Highballs and cocktails I can taste due to the other flavors involved. Wines are the same way. Hard Liquor? More the quality of the beverage. A scotch seems to turn to smoke that just flows smoothly down leaving a burning trail and a sudden onslaught of dizziness. A whisky has a "smoky" flavor and some oak barrel stuff definitely has a flavor all it’s own (along with the deluge of alchohol!) So what should I bee looking for in beer other than the burp chaser? — Michael Era
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » GPS usage?
Zimbo I always have a keychain size compass. Im not the type to rely on a GPS in any case. I want my survival gear to be fail-safe reliable and small/lite enough so that its always there. Fact is that the only time Ive been lost in the woods was on my home island – within 3 miles of my house! (The second growth can be pretty dense sometimes under a double canopy, with the first canopy over your head, you can loose your bearing.) The keyring compass is also handy doing dead reckoning in metro areas. My .02 Dave
I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places. I’m not immediately in the market, but a handheld GPS is one of those "someday" toys on my list along with binoculars and a waterproof digital camera. So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc. –Steve
In my opinion. If you have to rely on electronic "gadgets" to save your worthless behind in the bush you need to stay home.A better 300 bucks would be spent in a map reading class with a field trip for a test.Never substitute knowledge with gadgetry. — Don Thompson Another of the Thompson Boys
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places. I’m not immediately in the market, but a handheld GPS is one of those "someday" toys on my list along with binoculars and a waterproof digital camera. So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc. –Steve
I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places.
I have a GPS III+ and use it when kayaking, and an occasional hike. I have the Garmin US topo software and it has proven to be pretty reliable, at least away from metro areas where constant terraforming is underway. I also have the Roads and Recreation CD that I use on occasion when driving. — Charlie…
I have a XL12 I use to get myself back on top of the best crabbing spots. Other than that it’s a toy for entertainment. It’s great for cross country navigation but I would hate to depend on it as my primary methos for getting home!
So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc.
They’re great little toys (mine is anyway). I know the exact coordinates of my house & office; I’ve checked it against my car speedometer, I even programmed in the coordinates of Foscoe, NC just for fun before my trip to the Spring Fling. That said, I have used it on occasion as a genuine navigational tool. Each time in Maine (it’s really the only place I go with a decent chance of getting lost). I’ve saved a few waypoints to mark the turns on those logging roads, and once to mark some nasty rock outcroppings (or the route in between) on Moosehead Lake. For a mere C-note, it’s a fun toy; but I haven’t gone the mapping software route yet. Joe F.
Nah, I dead recon, Go shanks Mare,Drink from vines,Wipe my behind with corncobs. grin — Don Thompson Another of the Thompson Boys
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well shoot don…. why doncha tell us how you really feel? do you use a compass? drive a car? canteen? toilet paper? it’s all gadgetry… –waldo
: I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking : in and out of places. Away from work I’m a neo-luddite and try to avoid technology. But I agree with others in that I would not get a GPS in order to use it as your primary location finder. A compass and map should do that. Lately I’ve been using standard BLM maps (1:100K?) which aren’t the best but are cheap and have not gotten me lost…
the problem with gps’s when are that they do not give good readings on headings unless one is moving. they are great for finding the exact spot you are standing on… but i would not be caught dead without a compass and only using a gps to get me out of trouble in the woods. you really do need a compass in conjunction with a gps for the woods. chris
New Hardy or a GPS? I took the Bougle. If I pick up a boat this summer to fish for stripers I’ll get one but otherwise I don’t a GPS. Paul P.S. See the hat.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Paul Goodwin writes: I’ve thought about getting one for a few years but can’t seem to justify it. Interpretation: "My wife won’t let me buy one." <g Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller
it’s all gadgetry… Toilet paper has saved my ass many times…
POTW! /daytripper (And it’s only Monday!)
Steve, I am a forester. I make my living in the woods. My dad a year ago thought a GPS would be a great gift for Christmas for me. You’d think it would be, but I never use the thing. I am comfortable enough with a map and compass to do what I need to do. I imagine if i was a boater, trolling in a big place like Lake Ontario, I could use the thing, but in its box it stays. Peter Collin
it’s all gadgetry…
Toilet paper has saved my ass many times… — Charlie…
Paul Goodwin writes: I’ve thought about getting one for a few years but can’t seem to justify it.
Interpretation: "My wife won’t let me buy one." <g Dave LaCourse Pirate and Bottom Dweller
Paul Goodwin writes: I’ve thought about getting one for a few years but can’t seem to justify it. Interpretation: "My wife won’t let me buy one." <g
Mine won’t let me out the door without mine. - Ken
Paul Goodwin writes: I’ve thought about getting one for a few years but can’t seem to justify it. Interpretation: "My wife won’t let me buy one." <g Mine won’t let me out the door without mine. - Ken
lmao…. mine won’t *let* me have one <g waldo
Steve, Take a look at the new eMap from Garmin. Much smaller than the GPS III+ and is a perfect fit in the fishing vest. As others have pointed out you can use it to save positions of favorite holes, locations, etc. It should never be depended upon as your ultimate means of navigation. You can upload/download waypoints from other fisherman on new spots, parking locations, a whole plethora of fishing information. For software, take a look at OziExplorer. www.ozieplorer.com, Fugawi, www.fugawi.com or you can use the MapSource CD’s from Garmin. Good luck, Paul www.troutmaps.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places. I’m not immediately in the market, but a handheld GPS is one of those "someday" toys on my list along with binoculars and a waterproof digital camera. So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc. –Steve
In my opinion. If you have to rely on electronic "gadgets" to save your worthless behind in the bush you need to stay home.A better 300 bucks would be spent in a map reading class with a field trip for a test.Never substitute knowledge with gadgetry. — Don Thompson
well shoot don…. why doncha tell us how you really feel? do you use a compass? drive a car? canteen? toilet paper? it’s all gadgetry… –waldo
If you have to rely on electronic "gadgets" to save your worthless behind in the bush you need to stay home.A better 300 bucks would be spent in a map reading class with a field trip for a test.Never substitute knowledge with gadgetry. do you use a compass? drive a car? canteen? toilet paper?
Gosh, perhaps in retrospect I was a bit too fast on the trigger when I killfiled Donny boy a few days ago when I was weeding out cross-posters. My apologies. And, BTW, Don, if you have to rely on prescription "gadgets" to save your worthless sex life you need to get out more. –Steve
I’ve thought about getting one for a few years but can’t seem to justify it. The one time I wish I had one I was in a friends boat on the Merrimack River. In a matter of minutes we went from clear shies to <50′ visibility. Since we knew where we were, had a chart and a compass we were able to get back across. We then anchored within site of the ramp and watched the CG escort boats in for the next couple hours. Paul
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places. I’m not immediately in the market, but a handheld GPS is one of those "someday" toys on my list along with binoculars and a waterproof digital camera. So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc. –Steve
You obviously need a tattoo ! TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking
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I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places.
Absolutely. First off, don’t use a GPS as a replacement for basic map and compass skills, and always try to improve upon your own intuitive navigation skills. That said, I have a collection of digitized USGS maps and DeLorme maps and will often download important waypoints into my GPS before heading out, and I certainly take GPS readings at points of discovery in the field so I can later upload them and see exactly where I was. In Oregon, I generally use a GPS to find shorter routes into/outof an area. With so many trees and hills, it is easy to get "turned around" and stray. On a trip with my wife in Alaska, we pre-marked where all the creeks within a 5 mile radius of our houseboat in Prince William Sound (Port Gravina) were, and when we buzzed around in a 15-hp motorboat, we were constantly amazed at how we could *not* "see" or intuit where a creek was flowing into the bay, but the GPS led us to each creek mouth and thousands of salmon without fail. I also use a GPS during spawning/habitat surveys with the State and Federal agencies. It is also becoming very handy to be able to report things to the state/federal agencies when accompanied by a lat/long. I own the Garmin 12XL, and recommend Garmin simply because you can hold and operate them with one hand because the buttons are up top. Buy a simple cable and some mapping software, and you’re set. Thomas Gilg
I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places. I’m not immediately in the market, but a handheld GPS is one of those "someday" toys on my list along with binoculars and a waterproof digital camera. So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc.
Yes, I have a GPS and use it regularly. Magellan 315 if I remember correctly. They are not toys and can be invaluable if used properly. Properly being IN ADDITION to a map and compass. A GPS is NOT a substitute for map skills. I have no real advice on mapping software, I just use any standard topographic maps with lat/long markings on them. I almost always have my GPS on me when hiking (especially when alone). Get to the trailhead and mark a waypoint. Get to any remotely confusing section and set another waypoint. With a good map and reasonable skills, it’s "nearly" impossible to get lost. One thing to keep in mind is that in thick forests you can lose contact with all satellites and your GPS becomes useless. You have to find a clearing to get a reading. I also find a GPS useful when driving off-road. I spend a lot of time looking for old fire lookout stations when all you have is the coordinates on an old map. Finding the lookouts is tricky, but navigating your way back out is tough too. My GPS has saved me hours of driving around lost in the woods. My $0.02, take it for what it’s worth, - Ken
I have been with Tom Brown when he has used his GPS III+ to see where we were on Little Wilsons or to determine the elevation of a point. I’d like to have one simply because it provides an interesting reference. I like it…and, I think it could help locate points or distances. I say git you one…and let’s try it out over the other side of Fontana on Eagle Creek or Enkaneetlah one weekend. …btw…package just arrived. whew, i was beginning to worry. i’m planning on using it this friday with op and walt on one of my favorite backwoods streams… jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places. I’m not immediately in the market, but a handheld GPS is one of those "someday" toys on my list along with binoculars and a waterproof digital camera. So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc. –Steve
I was wondering if any of you backwoods fly fishermen use a GPS for hiking in and out of places.
No, I prefer not to use them – see below. I’m not immediately in the market, but a handheld GPS is one of those "someday" toys on my list along with binoculars and a waterproof digital camera.
IMO, "toy" is the right word for most folks, and here’s why – if you are simply using it to track yourself, etc., fine, or as an "I’m curious" reference when the "lost" potential is either very low or the consequences of getting "lost" are minimal, sure, get one and "play." But if you are going into areas/situations where the potential for being truly _lost_ is high, with the associated perils, IMO, these should only be used as a additional aid, not a substitute for manual procedures with compass (manual instruments), maps, _two_ sources of time, and reference points. The batteries can go, the unit can go down or be damaged, you could conceivably be out of "triangulation" reception (yes, I realize some use other than 3, and this is _unlikely_), etc. If you going into such a situation, IMO, one _must_ know manual methods. The main use I have had for them is bluewater sailing/boating, but again, only as a ready/"quick" reference, rather than the sole nav method. So, is a GPS helpful (to keep from getting lost, mark a good fishing hole, find or relocate the trail, etc)? What models do you recommend (how about the Garmin GPS III Plus for example)? What about mapping software? etc.
Helpful? Sure, if you want to know _exactly_ where you are (well, within a few meters). As to keeping from "getting lost," that depends on one’s propensity to "get lost" – i.e., if one can "get lost" in a city park, it would probably help, but if one can readily get in and out within a few miles, then it becomes the above-mentioned "quick ref." IMO, with GPS, you buy features – the "system" used is the same, and you have no choice, ala "wireless" phones, ISPs, etc. If you buy used, make sure it was a Y2K-prepared unit – some weren’t. I personally prefer USGS Topos, etc. for maps, but that is strictly subjective. IMO, learning to "read" the terrain is a necessary and interesting part of being outdoors, but again, YMMV. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —Steve
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Woolly Buggers Tied Clouser Style (where to purchase?)
Hello: Re-stocking time. Still a few trees I haven’t fully decorated that I plan on attacking next spring. Anyone notice in any of the catalogs any place that offers Woolly Buggers tied Clouser style with metal eyes? Can’t seem to find in any catalog I presently have. Thanks, Bob
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello: Re-stocking time. Still a few trees I haven’t fully decorated that I plan on attacking next spring. Anyone notice in any of the catalogs any place that offers Woolly Buggers tied Clouser style with metal eyes? Can’t seem to find in any catalog I presently have. Thanks, Bob
can’t imagine they’d be all that hard to find. most shops have the ability to get them from the multitude of wholesale fly producers now available. it may take a little time, but i’m sure your local shop can get some for you. of course, a wooley bugger is about as easy to tie as any fly, and adding lead eyes is easy… also, many buggers are now being tied with coneheads instead of the lead-eyes. cb
Hello: Re-stocking time. Still a few trees I haven’t fully decorated that I plan on attacking next spring. Anyone notice in any of the catalogs any place that offers Woolly Buggers tied Clouser style with metal eyes?
This is one of my favorite flys. I tie it in sizes from 12 up to 0/2. I like yellow body with white hackle. It’s a killer for big bass. It’s really too easy to tie to bother with buying it. You could tie enough for a season while watching the Simpson’s.
cb said<<also, many buggers are now being tied with coneheads instead of the lead-eyes. The advantage to the lead-eyes (barrel) is that it makes the hook ride upside down making it more weedless.
Bob – Are you wanting to buy some or just looking for a recipe? Gary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello: Re-stocking time. Still a few trees I haven’t fully decorated that I plan on attacking next spring. Anyone notice in any of the catalogs any place that offers Woolly Buggers tied Clouser style with metal eyes? Can’t seem to find in any catalog I presently have. Thanks, Bob
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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Climax leader add-wife didn't understand
Just don’t get caught using a Bastard with a woolly bugger! DBJ "Why do I not practice what I preach? – I am not the sort of person I preach to!" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw an add for Climax leaders, yesterday. It said something about "tight butt". I told my wife that I had a climax with a tight butt and she wondered what the hell I was talking about. Humor in Flyfishing!
I think your wife understands more than we may be willing to admit to. Taos Cuthroat
I saw an add for Climax leaders, yesterday. It said something about "tight butt". I told my wife that I had a climax with a tight butt and she wondered what the hell I was talking about. Humor in Flyfishing!
. I told my wife that I had a climax with a tight butt that’s a world class death wish you got goin there, pal. wayno
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rods » Fall close-outs everywhere.
ya know…spam on rye ain’t half bad but i prefer baloney. –Wataugan Walt
Guy Well put. Peter Merry Christmas
Wataugan Walt: <<ya know…spam on rye ain’t half bad but i prefer baloney. Used to eat it on crackers in the Panama jungle. Wasn’t bad. Then I was introduced to Vienna Sausage (pronounced – V eye-enna). Now, *that* is some bad shit. They should call Spam (the unwanted postings/mail) Vienna Sausage. It would have a helluva lot more meaning. d;0) Dave L.
Bit pointless discussing the definition of spam on this NG. However I dont think you will find many who will agree with you especially as far as Bill Kiene is concerned. And even if he did post a discreet ad, which is a moot point in any case, I prefer that to someone posting spurious complaints. I may not be able to define spam very accurately, and superfluous anyway as Guy already did a great job of doing so, but I certainly can recognise bullshit when I see it. I liked the bits about Baloney and Vienna sausage as well. I just wish you guys wouldnt choose such hard words to rhyme is all !! Vienna sausage, baloney or spam, to define is a terrible jam, bullshit is easy, it makes you feel queasy, and puts you in need of a dram. So you reckon Bill placed an ad, and you think that that is quite bad, but he gave us some news, and interesting views, complaining at that is just sad. Now Bill is cleverer than most, he just ignored your daft post, he wasnt offended, and was stoutly defended, by the stalwart Roffian host. Mr. Nospam you better cop out, Bill has got far more clout, You never will win, complaining at him, so be a nice guy, leave it out ! Write us a post about flies, perhaps your favourite ties ? or rods reels or lines, but please no more whines, about where to get the best buys. Tight lines ! Mike Connor
Wataugan Walt: <<ya know…spam on rye ain’t half bad but i prefer baloney. Used to eat it on crackers in the Panama jungle. Wasn’t bad. Then I was introduced to Vienna Sausage (pronounced – V eye-enna). Now, *that* is some bad shit. They should call Spam (the unwanted postings/mail) Vienna Sausage. It would have a helluva lot more meaning. d;0) Dave L.
Vienna weenies are typically serverd at wedding receptions here in GA, but then it’s all family<g. — Charlie…
Hi: I, too, want to join the list of those who have very nicely differentiated between crap and quality. Spam is crap, Bill Kiene is quality. Like almost all of you, I first got to know Bill through his helpful answers on the ng. In fact, I would always tell my friends that although Bill made no bones about his owning a flyshop, he was a great resource without promoting his business. Anyway, with the costs involved in our sport, who minds getting an occasional heads-up about how to save money? Furthermore, when I couldn’t get my regular trip to Belize going for next year, and decided to go to heaven (read Christmas Island), I called Bill and signed up for one of his trips. Why? Although I live in NJ, I could have just contacted Frontier. But I wanted to say thanks to Bill for all his help. Adam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bill Kiene is an unqualified asset to ROFF. : Sniff, sniff. Yup, smells like spam. : : Blech. JonCook. — Fishermen kill fish. This is who we are.
Vienna weenies are typically serverd at wedding receptions here in GA, but then it’s all family<g. — Charlie…
ahh, a good ole cracker weddin’ with fiddles and some paint removin’ –Wataugan Walt
Just I’d add my 2 cents worth about Bill Kiene and his shop. I’m a sales rep in the fly fishing industry and call on Bill’s shop in Sacramento. Bill’s shop is definitely in the top 3 shops in the CA,AZ,NV territory. On top of that, he is one of the most, if not THE most enjoyable people to deal with. I’m sure he would welcome your calls for help or advice. Regards, Wes Chormicle
Just I’d add my 2 cents worth about Bill Kiene and his shop.
I’ll just say that I think Bill is one of the top five posters on this site. His advice is always balanced and on the mark. He has never given up on this ng despite the flame wars and the infinite c&r debate; in his quiet determined way he just continued to dispense solid information. Ralph H
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just I’d add my 2 cents worth about Bill Kiene and his shop. I’ll just say that I think Bill is one of the top five posters on this site. His advice is always balanced and on the mark. He has never given up on this ng despite the flame wars and the infinite c&r debate; in his quiet determined way he just continued to dispense solid information. Ralph H
My sentiments also….. –Walt
As I have mentioned in previous posts, lots of fly fishing products have been altered or discontinued. This is a great time to get that new rod, reel, waders, pontoon boat, etc that you have been looking for. Much of this equipment is great stuff at great prices. Check you local fly tackle retailer or the internet for bargains. We have just purchased a ‘ton’ of discontinued fly rods from the Powell Rod Company. These are all ‘98 model rods that are being replaced by total redesigned new generation 1999 fly rods at the new Powell Rod plant in Sacramento, CA. Take a look at out web site for a complete list of these great rods at 50% off of retail prices. (www.kiene.com) Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com
You may also want to check the following website www.bennettspring.com . Tight Lines Jerry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As I have mentioned in previous posts, lots of fly fishing products have been altered or discontinued. This is a great time to get that new rod, reel, waders, pontoon boat, etc that you have been looking for. Much of this equipment is great stuff at great prices. Check you local fly tackle retailer or the internet for bargains. We have just purchased a ‘ton’ of discontinued fly rods from the Powell Rod Company. These are all ‘98 model rods that are being replaced by total redesigned new generation 1999 fly rods at the new Powell Rod plant in Sacramento, CA. Take a look at out web site for a complete list of these great rods at 50% off of retail prices. (www.kiene.com) Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com
Sniff, sniff. Yup, smells like spam. Blech.
Sniff, sniff. Yup, smells like spam. Blech.
Bill Kiene is a frequent and very knowledgeable contributor to ROFF. I always read his posts because they are likely to contain something very interesting. I’ve been to his shop in Sacramento. It’s a very good shop, and his employees were quite helpful. I don’t think this rises to the level of spam. Bill made a suggestion that now is the time to look for cheap discontinued equipment, wherever you like to shop. He clearly know what he’s talking about. That’s a suggestion many people can take advantage of. — something bogus to avoid spam)
Bill Kiene is a frequent and very knowledgeable contributor to ROFF. I always read his posts because they are likely to contain something very interesting. I’ve been to his shop in Sacramento. It’s a very good shop, and his employees were quite helpful. I don’t think this rises to the level of spam. Bill made a suggestion that now is the time to look for cheap discontinued equipment, wherever you like to shop. He clearly know what he’s talking about. That’s a suggestion many people can take advantage of.
I agree wholeheartedly. I’ve never been to Bill’s shop (obviously, living on another continent), but I value his contributions to ROFF, and he is definitely not spamming. On a side note, I think Bill does an excellent job of combining his business with usenet. Posting insightful articles combined with subtle and relevant only mention of his business, yet never attempting to hide the fact that he runs a flyfishing busniess, and taking great care to address the subject at hand and not simply advertising, is the only way to do it. Usenet presence is, IMO, also a reasonable accurate predictor of customer satisfaction. If Bill ripped people off for a living, it’ll be all over ROFF. I’d be happy to do business with Bill. Btw, my local dealer here in Norway has had a 50% discount on 1998 Powell rods for a few months now. Still don’t want one of those soft sticks :-) — Christian Figenschou – http://figen.com
I third that notion — IMHO, Bill Kiene is a very valuable resource for this NG. I know he’s answered a ton of my questions. I always look forward to reading his posts. Sid in Seattle
Sniff, sniff. Yup, smells like spam.
Bill Kiene is a valuable contributor to ROFF. I read his excellent posts carefully as he obviously knows exactly what he is talking about and how to explain it. His insights into some products and his recommendations are of considerable value, and he is as unbiased about various products as it is possible to be as far as I can see. It is unlikely that I will ever visit his shop, it is a bit too far away, which is a shame, as I assume from his posts that it must be quite excellent. He has never made a secret of the fact that he runs a fly fishing related business, and the little bit of advertising he does is always discrete and his posts always on topic. I do not think many on ROFF would consider this SPAM. Just as a matter of interest Mr.Nospam, when can we expect a valuable contribution on ROFF from you ? Tight lines ! Mike Connor
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I too have found Mr. Kiene’s posts to be accurate, to the point, and informative. Few of us will ever patronize his shop, and if he occasionally mentions his business on ROFF, I have absolutely no problem with it. George Adams
Bill Kiene is a valuable contributor to ROFF.
I’ll add my voice to the chorus too Mike. I look for Bill’s posts. He’s worth reading. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach, Florida "The beach? Only poor people go to the beach! The truly impoverished own boats." – Capt. Gary to Ms. Dawn
I agree wholeheartedly!!!! Bill keane has been of great help to newbies and oldies alike and I feel that he is simply passing on information and not trying to sell a product here people might want to be looking for new and then in the caseof us newbies who dont even have a rod what’s wrong with some advice from a seasoned store owner with some experience?? Keep it up Bill I am on your side. Pierre – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bill Kiene is a frequent and very knowledgeable contributor to ROFF. I always read his posts because they are likely to contain something very interesting. I’ve been to his shop in Sacramento. It’s a very good shop, and his employees were quite helpful. I don’t think this rises to the level of spam. Bill made a suggestion that now is the time to look for cheap discontinued equipment, wherever you like to shop. He clearly know what he’s talking about. That’s a suggestion many people can take advantage of. — something bogus to avoid spam)
I just wanted to add that my friend bought me a Redington that I could have never of afforded when it Florida with a "fall closeout"deal. The same rod selling in Canada I could have never afforded believe me and yet when he purchased it as a gift in US dollars it was a steal even with the exchange rate! Nope be glad to hear of close out deals especially with people like Bill Pierre
Nope. He ran an ad. It was spam. Incidentally a friend of mine bought one of Kiene’s discontinued "new" rods and it came with a scratched up blank and the wrong tube/sock. So be careful and ask for all the details before buying. You get what you pay for and there isn’t always full disclosure. Not just Bill’s shop but I’ve heard horror stories from some of the other online discounters too. If Bill wants to post here and help folks out, that’s admirable but to sneak in a commercial ad when they aren’t allowed only damages his reputation IMHO. Kind of like the Bill Clinton excuse. As long as you are a good President it’s ok to break the law when it suits you. Well that’s why we have a free country. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. You don’t have to agree.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nope. He ran an ad. It was spam. Incidentally a friend of mine bought one of Kiene’s discontinued "new" rods and it came with a scratched up blank and the wrong tube/sock. So be careful and ask for all the details before buying. You get what you pay for and there isn’t always full disclosure. Not just Bill’s shop but I’ve heard horror stories from some of the other online discounters too. If Bill wants to post here and help folks out, that’s admirable but to sneak in a commercial ad when they aren’t allowed only damages his reputation IMHO. Kind of like the Bill Clinton excuse. As long as you are a good President it’s ok to break the law when it suits you. Well that’s why we have a free country. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. You don’t have to agree.
Well, my opinion is that your opinion sucks. — something bogus to avoid spam)
Sorry, not only are you in the minority, you don’t seem to know the definition of spam: "There are two main types of spam, and they have different effects on Internet users. Cancellable Usenet spam is a single message sent to 20 or more Usenet newsgroups. (Through longexperience, Usenet users have found that any message posted to so many newsgroups is often not relevant to most or all of them.) Usenet spam is aimed at "lurkers", people who read newsgroups but rarely or never post and give their address away. Usenet spam robs users of the utility of the newsgroups by overwhelming them with a barrage of advertising or other irrelevant posts. Furthermore, Usenet spam subverts the ability of system administrators and owners to manage the topics they accept on their systems. Email spam targets individual users with direct mail messages. Email spam lists are often created by scanning Usenet postings, stealing Internet mailing lists, or searching the Web for addresses. Email spams typically cost users money out-of-pocket to receive. Many people – anyone with measured phone service – read or receive their mail while the meter is running, so to speak. Spam costs them additional money. On top of that, it costs money for ISPs and online services to transmit spam, and these costs are transmitted directly to subscribers. http://spam.abuse.net/whatisspam.html Nope. He ran an ad. It was spam. Incidentally a friend of mine bought one of Kiene’s discontinued "new" rods and it came with a scratched up blank and the wrong tube/sock.
Did you give the shop an opportunity to correct the problem? So be careful and ask for all the details before buying. You get what you pay for and there isn’t always full disclosure. Not just Bill’s shop but I’ve heard horror stories from some of the other online discounters
I don’t think you can call Kiene’s and ‘online discounter’ too. If Bill wants to post here and help folks out, that’s admirable but to sneak in a commercial ad when they aren’t allowed only damages
Please quote the document which says that such posts are not allowed opinion. You don’t have to agree.
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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » The PETA Thing Going On Here Lately
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <stuff I deletedThen there’s the ‘cruelty’ aspect of industrial meat production,which no doubt has some merit in some cases. But so what? They’re*animals*. <more stuff deleted for brevity Actually, the animal rights argument runs a little deeper than just the nastiness of factory farms. They would probably say that an animal is the experiencing subject of a life and, as such, has a good of its own that is independent of, and unrelated to, any practical good humans derive from its consumption. Since animals are the experiencing subjects of a life with a good of their own it is wrong (in their view) to kill them for fun or profit. These are not my views necessarily–just some stuff that I picked up in a course on enviromental ethics. I’m not saying that I agree with them, or that you should. Just that there’s way more to that side of the argument than the people who inhabit the blood sport newsgroups like this one want to look at (yeah . . . flyfishing’s a blood sport whether you want it to be or not). There is a strong philosophical foundation in much of the animal rights debate. Study some of it and you might not be so sure about what you think. This is called character growth. It’s practiced by people who haven’t limited how big they want to be. The PETA people are not all the irrational terrorists many in this group would like to make them out to be. Just as the people here are not all the bloodthirsty yahoos that some PETA folks would like us to be. Though some posts you encounter here gotta make you wonder . . . Pete People Eating Tasty Animals
<stuff I deletedThen there’s the ‘cruelty’ aspect of industrial meat production,which no doubt has some merit in some cases. But so what? They’re*animals*. <more stuff deleted for brevity
Actually, the animal rights argument runs a little deeper than just the nastiness of factory farms. They would probably say that an animal is the experiencing subject of a life and, as such, has a good of its own that is independent of, and unrelated to, any practical good humans derive from its consumption. Since animals are the experiencing subjects of a life with a good of their own it is wrong (in their view) to kill them for fun or profit. These are not my views necessarily–just some stuff that I picked up in a course on enviromental ethics. I’m not saying that I agree with them, or that you should. Just that there’s way more to that side of the argument than the people who inhabit the blood sport newsgroups like this one want to look at (yeah . . . flyfishing’s a blood sport whether you want it to be or not). There is a strong philosophical foundation in much of the animal rights debate. Study some of it and you might not be so sure about what you think. This is called character growth. It’s practiced by people who haven’t limited how big they want to be. The PETA people are not all the irrational terrorists many in this group would like to make them out to be. Just as the people here are not all the bloodthirsty yahoos that some PETA folks would like us to be. Though some posts you encounter here gotta make you wonder . . . Pete
<stuff I deletedThen there’s the ‘cruelty’ aspect of industrial meat production,which no doubt has some merit in some cases. But so what? They’re*animals*. <more stuff deleted for brevity
flyfishing’s a blood sport whether you want it to be or not). There is a strong philosophical foundation in much of the animal rights debate.
(snipped a lot. . .) The fish get released. I don’t play them until they’re exhausted, not even close. Fish don’t have nerves in the mouth area. Fish don’t reflect and philosophize a great deal on the existential paradigm. I sometimes wonder if being caught and released might not break up the monotony encountered in a aqueous existence of sucking bugs in a stream. Annie Oakley’s Casting & Blasting Page, shooting and fly fishing links: http://members.tripod.com/~AnnieOakley/CastAndBlast.html Annie’s retired and too busy to be a millionaire. Skip the spam.
These are not my views necessarily–just some stuff that I picked up in a course on enviromental ethics. I’m not saying that I agree with them, or that you should. Just that there’s way more to that side of the argument than the people who inhabit the blood sport newsgroups like this one want to look at (yeah . . . flyfishing’s a blood sport whether you want it to be or not). There is a strong philosophical foundation in much of the animal rights debate.
Emotional maybe – but philosophical? I don’t think so. I know a person who used to belong to PETA and we have had many debates on the subject. She was opened minded about debating it and realized in the end that most of her arguments were not based on logic. I married that lady. She still doesn’t eat meat but OUR son likes nothing better than a thick juicy elk steak. Marty
I sometimes wonder if being caught and released might not break up the monotony encountered in a aqueous existence of sucking bugs in a stream.
Maybe they view it like humans who run with bulls or some other exhilarating adventure. They may enjoy the challenge(especially if they know they are living in a C&R only stream. How do you know they are not playing with us anglers? Judging by some of the antics I have seen fish pull, that little splash in the face before the return to their space in the stream or making a victory lap of the whole with a leap after they throw your hook. I think about this sometimes. Do you think I spend to much time with trout? regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Macintosh User Group
These are not my views necessarily–just some stuff that I picked up in a course on enviromental ethics. I’m not saying that I agree with them, or that you should. Just that there’s way more to that side of the argument than the people who inhabit the blood sport newsgroups like this one want to look at (yeah . . . flyfishing’s a blood sport whether you want it to be or not). There is a strong philosophical foundation in much of the animal rights debate. Study some of it and you might not be so sure about what you think. This is called character growth. It’s practiced by people who haven’t limited how big they want to be.
Pete – I have studied what PETA proposes and I disagree with about 99% of it. I find NO strong philosophical foundation to any of the AR drivel. The self righteous statement about character growth at the end of this paragraph is typical of the holier than thou AR propaganda. The PETA people are not all the irrational terrorists many in this group would like to make them out to be. Just as the people here are not all the bloodthirsty yahoos that some PETA folks would like us to be. Though some posts you encounter here gotta make you wonder . . . Pete
Pete – If you truly believe that PETA represents a rational approach then go for it, QUIETLY!!!! Regards – DICK
These are not my views necessarily–just some stuff that I picked up in a course on enviromental ethics. I’m not saying that I agree with them, or that you should. Just that there’s way more to that side of the argument than the people who inhabit the blood sport newsgroups like this one want to look at Pete – I have studied what PETA proposes and I disagree with about 99% of it. I find NO strong philosophical foundation to any of the AR drivel
see if your library has a copy of Singers’ "Practical Ethics" which contains several chapters on animals rights vegetarianism etc. I believe he also wrote a book called "Animal Rights". Peter (I think) Singer is a professor of Philosophy (not sure where right now) and bases much of his argument on the well established notion of "utilitarianism". Of course many of the groups like PETA have been infuenced by people such as Singer but lack his control of rhetoric or depth of thought. This is not to say I agree with Singer. Others have argued that animals are outside the normal ‘realm’ of ethics or at least moral law. Singer refers to some of these authors in his book and you can follow those up if you have access to a good (ie university) library. Ralph H remove "take_this_out" for email reply
see if your library has a copy of Singers’ "Practical Ethics" which contains several chapters on animals rights vegetarianism etc. I believe he also wrote a book called "Animal Rights". Peter (I think) Singer is a professor of Philosophy (not sure where right now) and bases much of his argument on the well established notion of "utilitarianism".
Yes, I’ve read Singer, and am familiar with utilitarianism (simply stated: do what brings the least pain and the most pleasure). Of course many of the groups like PETA have been infuenced by people such as Singer but lack his control of rhetoric or depth of thought.
Yes. But the folks who did the dying 1774 – 1783 didn’t have Thomas Paine’s or James Madison’s control of rhetoric or depth of thought either (to use just one example of many possible). This is not to say I agree with Singer. Others have argued that animals are outside the normal ‘realm’ of ethics or at least moral law. Singer refers to some of these authors in his book and you can follow those up if you have access to a good (ie university) library.
Understood. I don’t agree either. One excellent author well worth reading is Paul Taylor, a professor (Stanford?) also. His book "Respect for Nature" is a classic. Taylor would argue that sports like fishing show a lack of respect for nature. The explanation for why is complicated and well beyond the scope of a post like this (not sure I could explain it well from memory anyway). My point was–and is–that there is WAY more to this debate than than meets the eye. Before we reject the arguments out of hand (as some have done to my original post) remember this: folks who once said that slavery was bad were derided as sanctimonious moralizers too. AndI guess we know how that debate ended. To conclude too quickly that the "other side" is kooky is to put your opinions in the service of your own comfort. Life sure is a lot less complicated if you don’t think too hard.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <stuff I deletedThen there’s the ‘cruelty’ aspect of industrial meat production,which no doubt has some merit in some cases. But so what? They’re*animals*. <more stuff deleted for brevity Actually, the animal rights argument runs a little deeper than just the nastiness of factory farms. They would probably say that an animal is the experiencing subject of a life and, as such, has a good of its own that is independent of, and unrelated to, any practical good humans derive from its consumption. Since animals are the experiencing subjects of a life with a good of their own it is wrong (in their view) to kill them for fun or profit. These are not my views necessarily–just some stuff that I picked up in a course on enviromental ethics. I’m not saying that I agree with them, or that you should. Just that there’s way more to that side of the argument than the people who inhabit the blood sport newsgroups like this one want to look at (yeah . . . flyfishing’s a blood sport whether you want it to be or not). There is a strong philosophical foundation in much of the animal rights debate. Study some of it and you might not be so sure about what you think. This is called character growth. It’s practiced by people who haven’t limited how big they want to be. The PETA people are not all the irrational terrorists many in this group would like to make them out to be. Just as the people here are not all the bloodthirsty yahoos that some PETA folks would like us to be. Though some posts you encounter here gotta make you wonder . . . Pete Long live P(eople)E(ating)T(asty)A(nimals)
Hank
If the reincarnationists are right, you may get a chance to find out! — -dnc- AnnieOakley wrote [snip] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I sometimes wonder if being caught and released might not break up the monotony encountered in a aqueous existence of sucking bugs in a stream.
… you are correct to focus on the ‘non-personhood’ question, because this is exactly where the entire discussion hinges. The animal rights people have made a mental leap that you, me, and probably everyone else in this group won’t (or at least hasn’t). If you posit that animals are the EXPERIENCING SUBJECTS OF A LIFE and that as such they have a GOOD OF THEIR OWN that is unrelated to their usefulness to humans then the waters become murkier.
restricting the discussion to fish alone I would say the fish have a value beyond their use to fishers or the food value of their flesh. I believe a fish or fish (pl) in the water have a near immeasurable value. I would also agree that being ‘alive’ and having a central nervous system (8^) fish must experience ‘a life’; though what sort of life we can’t really know. I don’t base the value of my angling on fish being of no intrinsic worth and being insensate. I would say I fish because I am a human being and we are natural creatures in that we are products of nature. The natural way of things sees living things using other living things to their own end. I accept this inherent part of my nature. Fishing is an expression of this, my chance to partcipate at the natural level of things. Where I differ with other animals is that rationality of reason gives me foresight to see how my actions my effect the value of fish or of nature as a whole in the future. This governs and influences my actions as a fisher. I don’t divorce myself from nature or myself as the PETA people do rather I ‘dive right in’ to use a related metaphor. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.
…but a fish is not a person. The superflurous analogy of slavery and racism dies quickly and easily there.
Yeah but all analogies are superfluous. The more you want them to be superfluous, the more superfluous they seem. However, you are correct to focus on the ‘non-personhood’ question, because this is exactly where the entire discussion hinges. The animal rights people have made a mental leap that you, me, and probably everyone else in this group won’t (or at least hasn’t). If you posit that animals are the EXPERIENCING SUBJECTS OF A LIFE and that as such they have a GOOD OF THEIR OWN that is unrelated to their usefulness to humans then the waters become murkier. Again I say . . . you don’t have to agree, but if you want to be intellectually honest you must concede that there is more to the AR arguments that the simplified arguments "our" side sometimes likes to toss out. Ralph, I don’t think you’re part of that crowd. But they’re here. This battle is going to get bigger as the years go by. Do you think the yahoos will help us win it? I don’t (yeeeehaaaa . . . let’s go four wheelin’ and tear up some wildflowers!) Pete
see if your library has a copy of Singers’ "Practical Ethics" One excellent author well worth reading is Paul Taylor, a professor (Stanford?) also. His book "Respect for Nature" is a classic. Taylor would argue that sports like fishing show a lack of respect for nature. remember this: folks who once said that slavery was bad were derided as sanctimonious moralizers too. AndI guess we know how that debate ended.
…but a fish is not a person. The superflurous analogy of slavery and racism dies quickly and easily there. Ralph H remove "take_this_out" for email reply
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Line » WTB: Clousers on the cheap
I don’t want to spend $3.50 and up for Clousers (via Orvis or my local shop) and while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want. So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks!
My friend Jim Dionne at Dirigo Flies says he can help you out, and hit your price range Give him a call at (800) 893-2815 tell him you’re the guy from the internet I told him about. jc
while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want. So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks!
Yes I do! But they only have 2/0, 2, and 6 ($2.25), and the 2/0 only in chartreuse and white (which by the way is my favorite saltwater color!). They are the Fly Fishing Shop in Welches Oregon. They have a wonderful web site at www.teleport.com/~flyfish Their number is 503-622-4607. They are pleasure to deal with long distance, and I’m willing to bet they can get you what you want in any color with a little advance notice. Good luck! Phil
while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want. So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks! Yes I do! But they only have 2/0, 2, and 6 ($2.25), and the 2/0 only in chartreuse and white (which by the way is my favorite saltwater color!). They are the Fly Fishing Shop in Welches Oregon. They have a wonderful web site at www.teleport.com/~flyfish Their number is 503-622-4607. They are pleasure to deal with long distance, and I’m willing to bet they can get you what you want in any color with a little advance notice. Good luck! Phil
I have an on line catalog and have the Clousers in any size and color that you want. You can see my catalog at http://www.surfsouth.com/~jbranham/retailcatalog.html
I don’t want to spend $3.50 and up for Clousers (via Orvis or my local shop) and while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want. So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks!
Hello- This is probably not what you want to here, but… I would suggest learning to tie them yourself. Clousers are extremely easy to tie and the materials are cheap. I am not a very fast tyer, and I just turned out 10 in the last hour. I tied them on 3/0 for salt water use (Mustad 3407 hooks at about $7/100). That way you can tie them in any size or color combo you want. Even if you don’t tie now with just a few very basic lessons you can tie clousers. Good Luck! Steve Rosenblum
I don’t want to spend $3.50 and up for Clousers (via Orvis or my local shop) and while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want. So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks!
I don’t want to spend $3.50 and up for Clousers (via Orvis or my local shop) and while LL Bean’s got em for $2.25 or so (much more in line), they don’t sell them in 1/0, which is pretty much the size I want. So, does anyone know a good mailorder source for Clousers at a reasonable price? Thanks!
Try to get a second hand vice and tie your own. They are the most simple saltwater fly to tie and you can make a hundred for what it costs to buy ten at Orvis prices. Get the cheapest vice you can find at first and THEN decide if you want to keep tying. If so, consider the best vice you can afford and prepare yourself for the plethora of tying materials you will want to buy along with the books, videos and CD-ROMs you will get to learn how to tie. Good Luck, jmc
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Albolene, what it is
There was a post a week or so back discussing using Albolene as a dry fly floatant, but some question as to what Albolene actually is and where to find it. After searching a number of drugstores I finally found a jar of it in an independent drugstore (one of the Mutual drugs). It cost me about $8.50 for a 12 oz jar/can of unscented Albolene. I found it in the makeup section and it’s actually a skin cleaner for removing makeup, etc. The ingredient list shows: mineral oil, petrolatum (the same stuff that’s in Petrolium Jelly or Vaseline), paraffin, ceresin (?), and carotene. It really is pretty scentless and about the consistency of Vaseline. The label says it liquefies on contact with your skin. I plan on carrying small amounts in the used plastic film canisters that Kodak 35mm film comes in. At that rate 12 oz. looks like a lifetime supply of Albolene! Haven’t tried the stuff out on a fly yet, but will follow up later after trying it. If it works as well as previous posts indicate it’s pretty economical compared to commercial fly floatants. Tight lines.
There was a post a week or so back discussing using Albolene as a dry fly floatant, but some question as to what Albolene actually is and where to find it.
I’m not sure what its original intentions were but my mom used to put Albolene on my burns. Kind of an old fashioned aloe vera is my best guess. Let us know how it works as a floatant. Tom
Hi Jim I used Abolene for years as a dry fly floatant. I can’t tell the difference between it and Gink. The only problem (and the reason I started making my own) is that it turns to liquid (like Gink does) on a hot day. It still float a fly well but you can sure make a mess on you vest or shirt if you happen to spill it. Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (96 catalog)
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Florida Snook on flies
I’m going to be in Florida over the next weekend and wonder if there is any possibility of some flyrodding for Snook. Any advice out there? -old willy
I’m going to be in Florida over the next weekend and wonder if there is any possibility of some flyrodding for Snook. Any advice out there? -old willy
Well Willam… depending on where you are going the fishing can be great. Here in SW Florida (Ft Myers) snnok fishing is coming into its primetime. Fly of choice for me is the Clouser minnow in any bright colors. Good luck
Check out your local fly shops or better yet call them in advance with a small order of flies and they will probably point you in the right direction. Local knowledge of tides and flies will help you out. Good Luck, Reddfin