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Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce
Over time, yup. Peter
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No, but you could get a hernia in your hemostat. 
— Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Wading Boots, Making Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you’re worried about lead poisoning, crimp it hard with your hemostats. Works for me.Pete C Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce
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The lead paint was a problem because kids actually eat the paint. Lead is not soluable so unless you inadvertantly swallow the shot its probably a low level problem. The one exception I see is if you get some lead caught in your teeth. Lead is soft and it could stick to a filling or crevas in you teeth and later come off when your chewing food. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce I don’t know. Better safe than sorry. Pete C Young children have been known to contract lead poisoning from gnawing objects painted with lead based paint( in the old days!) — Bill
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Change brands of shot. Some are harder than others and definitely stay on better.
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Don’t cast. Stalk. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"
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Try running the leader through the split twice before crimping. This does put a wrap on the outside of the shot that may be subject to wear. I have also used figure 8 knots on thick leader to prevent sliding. That knot is relatively easy to undo. William Buchman
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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.) I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off. Anyone else have this problem and a solution. Thanks. Brian
Brian Putting the other smart-assed answers aside, I’ll assume you’ve done all the usual things. Probably you are overhead casting, perhaps some fasle casting, and putting some effort into it to avoid clipping your ears. Since the splitshot loads up the rod more, the whole contraption is now arriving at the end of the cast with some violence, sending your splitshot into the opposite bank at just under mach one. So instead of high powered overhead casts, use a gentle lob with a big open loop, a flick or a roll. I usually allow my line to pull out straight downstream at the end of the drift, then pull gently toward the point upstream that I’m casting to. A little flick and the line just rolls out without any fuss. My 9 1/2′ seven wt. is the only rod I’ll use a conventional small loop, overhead cast with splitshot, as it has enough length and muscle to keep the line up without any extra effort on my part. Instead of all sorts of fancy replacements and gimmicks; stop false casting, slow down your delivery, open up the loop and let the rod work. Stepping down to a lighter or slower rod may help too. Peter
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Tie a knot over the split and make sure the knot is over the back side of the split and not along the crimp seam. If its on the seam it will open up the crimp and you lose another shot. You will never lose a shot this way. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.) I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off. Anyone else have this problem and a solution. Thanks. Brian
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Scrap the paper off of those "twister ties" that come on loaves of bread……use them for sinker action…..I love ‘em. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.) I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off. Anyone else have this problem and a solution. Thanks. Brian
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Don’t cast. Stalk. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"
Don’t cast. Plop! Mr. G. "Guilt replaced Catch and Kill with Catch & Release" ; ) "cast, drift . . . cast . . . drift . . .?" Is this nymph going to work or not Tim?
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Pinch shot onto line and see if that helps. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.) I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off. Anyone else have this problem and a solution. Thanks. Brian
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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.) I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off. Anyone else have this problem and a solution. Thanks. Brian
Hi Brian, Sometimes the problem is squeezing them on to tight, especially if you’re using lead shot. The lead shot is a lot softer than the "lead free" stuff and if you’re using either your teeth (not good – lead is poison you know), or forceps to close the split and you squeeze too hard, it opens up the back part of the split and the shot slips all over the place. I usually put the split shot on the line and squeeze it with my fingers just hard enough to hold it. Then I will take my forceps and squeeze it shut from the back of the shot, not from the split side. I watch the split close and when it meets and compresses slightly I *stop* squeezing. This way you close the back of the split securely and you can see if you’ve overtightened it. It rarely moves with this technique. However, as Peter and "another damn guide", both pointed out excessive forceful false casting may knock it loose anyway. Use water-loading as much as possible instead of false casts when fishing nymphs with shot (easier to do, and fewerangles). I’ve also used the "wrap it through twice" trick that William Buchman suggested, especially on soft BB shot and it works well. I always expect it to break where it’s wrapped around the shot and it never does. I’m still nervous about doing that, but it does stop it from slipping. Hope this helps, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis
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Put it between two molars and bite down. It’s always worked for me. Later, – Ken
Lucky bugger, I haven’t got two molars:-I — Bill
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I have two molars Bill, but they don’t meet. — Ernie Harrison Fly Fishing Books, Blood Knot Machine Wading Boots, Making Rods, Fly Tying Box Go to: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Put it between two molars and bite down. It’s always worked for me. Later, – Ken Lucky bugger, I haven’t got two molars:-I — Bill
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If you’re worried about lead poisoning, crimp it hard with your hemostats. Works for me. Pete C
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If you’re worried about lead poisoning, crimp it hard with your hemostats. Works for me.Pete C
Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce
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Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce
I don’t know. Better safe than sorry. Pete C
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Could you *really* get lead poisoning from crimping split shot with your teeth? Bryce I don’t know. Better safe than sorry. Pete C
Young children have been known to contract lead poisoning from gnawing objects painted with lead based paint( in the old days!) — Bill
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first pinch with your hemostats/pliers then try reducing the force of an number of your false casts DryFly Another Damn Giude – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.) I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off. Anyone else have this problem and a solution. Thanks. Brian
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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.) I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off. Anyone else have this problem and a solution. Thanks.
Um, you *are* crimping them closed, aren’t you?
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no problem! Do not use split shot. Use twist ons. Trust me the way to go if ya gotta get down.
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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.) I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off. Anyone else have this problem and a solution. Thanks. Um, you *are* crimping them closed, aren’t you?
Maybe God is telling him to use dry flies. — something bogus to avoid spam)
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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.) I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off. Anyone else have this problem and a solution. Thanks. Brian
_______ Brian, you should learn to tie your own leaders. Go andbuy yourself a complete set of hard and soft Maxima Leader Material in clear mono. Order a bottle of Knot-Perfect from me for $3 which I will absorb shipping charges and labor/handling, etc. A deal, I assure you. Use Knot-Perfect on each knot and at the tippet knot, use them as stoppers for your lead. There are other ways, but for nymphing, and/or lead flat/wire at knots, you will be much better off then using tapered leaders. Tapered, single strand leaders take a lot of mobility and tricks away from you. Reconsider: - or – shall we all revisit "Hand Tied Leaders" (?) I love making them. See: http://www.gink.com Place an order and I’ll include a surprise. I sort of am able to do things other employees can’t. I’m the President. Mr. G.
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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.) I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off. Anyone else have this problem and a solution. Thanks. Brian
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I’ve bought cheap split shot, I’ve bought expensive split shot but no mater what I try the damn things inevitably fall off (or slip down to the fly.) I also tried tying on a dropper line with a small knot to keep the split shot from sliding off but, of course, it slid off. Anyone else have this problem and a solution. Thanks.
Put it between two molars and bite down. It’s always worked for me. Later, - Ken — Not speaking for anyone but myself
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Does anyone have information about fishing in Huatulco/Puerto Escondido, Mexico area? I am planning a trip for mid august, but the only problem is, with less then a month left, I still have no idea what to expect. I will only be able to bring a 7/8 weight, and I will probably fish the bays in Huatulco and Puerto Angel….any other hot spots in the area???? I need to know what kind of fish are availible to me, and of course what flies (specific patterns?) or type of flies (shrimp? baitfish?) and what sizes i should tie them in….also handy would be possibly guide recommendations and leader strengths? Actually, any information at all would be great! I just need all the help I can get! Anyway, if you have any ideas, please either email me OR reply to this message! Thanks in advance, Scott
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have information about fishing in Huatulco/Puerto Escondido, Mexico area? I am planning a trip for mid august, but the only problem is, with less then a month left, I still have no idea what to expect. I will only be able to bring a 7/8 weight, and I will probably fish the bays in Huatulco and Puerto Angel….any other hot spots in the area???? I need to know what kind of fish are availible to me, and of course what flies (specific patterns?) or type of flies (shrimp? baitfish?) and what sizes i should tie them in….also handy would be possibly guide recommendations and leader strengths? Actually, any information at all would be great! I just need all the help I can get! Anyway, if you have any ideas, please either email me OR reply to this message! Thanks in advance, Scott
You can find some information about fishing in Huatulco and Puerto Angel on my web page. You can start with http://www.eden.com/~tomzap/hfishing.html Tom Penick Web page: Austin, Texas http://www.eden.com/~tomzap
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Hi Dan – Glad to se you are on-line again. Missed you while you were out – but I went to ASU ! bob
Hey Bob, Sorry, didn’t mean it as a slam against ASU. I was making fun of his "gotta get some weapons" post to the fly fishing newsgroup. I just happened to know that Arizona State is in that area because my daughter lived in Mesa for a while. I figured this guy was a student there and wondered if his parents knew what he was doing – possibly with the school money. Didn’t mean anything by it 8^ Oops! Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again. So what if they eat other fish? If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).
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Hi Dan – Glad to se you are on-line again. Missed you while you were out – but I went to ASU ! bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Allan Gay) writes: I live in Arizona and I am looking into purchasing a crossbow just to shoot for fun and possibly at pigs during the handgun season. If you have a used crossbow that you want to sell respond to me personally with a description of what crossbow you have and how much you are willing to sell it for. I live in mesa, I am ready to buy right now, don’t waste time e-mailing me, I want to start shooting as soon as possible, I pay in cash. with a description and whatever price you want for it. I will get back to all of you. I am serious, I am ready to pay cash right now for a recurve or crossbow or if you have both. E-mail me right now for jims, any other cool toys you might have. I do not personally want the slim jim but i have a friend who will pay for one and any books on how to use them. e-mail me with any info on anything you want to sell, you might be surprised at what i will buy!!!!! You betcha!! we got ‘em. Use ‘em mostly over here to shoot carp and squawfish. Have a special today on the whitefish model though only for resident Montanans and Oregonians. YOu must be going to Arizona State right? Does your mother know you are doing these things????? 8^ Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again. So what if they eat other fish? If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Allan Gay) writes: I live in Arizona and I am looking into purchasing a crossbow just to shoot for fun and possibly at pigs during the handgun season. If you have a used crossbow that you want to sell respond to me personally with a description of what crossbow you have and how much you are willing to sell it for. I live in mesa, I am ready to buy right now, don’t waste time e-mailing me, I want to start shooting as soon as possible, I pay in cash. with a description and whatever price you want for it. I will get back to all of you. I am serious, I am ready to pay cash right now for a recurve or crossbow or if you have both. E-mail me right now for jims, any other cool toys you might have. I do not personally want the slim jim but i have a friend who will pay for one and any books on how to use them. e-mail me with any info on anything you want to sell, you might be surprised at what i will buy!!!!!
You betcha!! we got ‘em. Use ‘em mostly over here to shoot carp and squawfish. Have a special today on the whitefish model though only for resident Montanans and Oregonians. YOu must be going to Arizona State right? Does your mother know you are doing these things????? 8^ Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again. So what if they eat other fish? If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).
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I live in Arizona and I am looking into purchasing a crossbow just to shoot for fun and possibly at pigs during the handgun season. If you have a used crossbow that you want to sell respond to me personally with a description of what crossbow you have and how much you are willing to sell it for. I live in mesa, I am ready to buy right now, don’t waste time e-mailing me, I want to start shooting as soon as possible, I pay in cash. with a description and whatever price you want for it. I will get back to all of you. I am serious, I am ready to pay cash right now for a recurve or crossbow or if you have both. E-mail me right now for any other cool toys you might have. I do not personally want the slim jim but i have a friend who will pay for one and any books on how to use them. e-mail me with any info on anything you want to sell, you might be surprised at what i will buy!!!!!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi, I am 10 years old have been fly fishing for 2 1/2 years. I would like to hear from other kids who are interested in fly fishing. Matt- North Carolina
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I am advisor to a fly fishing club at our middle school here in Bozeman. I had our first meeting yesterday, and we had 18 students! I did this the last two years and average 6-8 students. I’d be interested to know if anyone else is doing anything like I am trying. Would be interested in sharing information. Dave Kumlien, Bozeman, MT
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(David Kumlien) writes: I am advisor to a fly fishing club at our middle school here in Bozeman. I had our first meeting yesterday, and we had 18 students! I did this the last two years and average 6-8 students. I’d be interested to know if anyone else is doing anything like I am trying. Would be interested in sharing information. Dave Kumlien, Bozeman, MT
What a great idea, Dave. I, for one, would really like to hear of your experiences, and I may have a thought or two to throw in now and then. By all means, keep posting! Kurt Steinbock
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Hi, I am 10 years old have been fly fishing for 2 1/2 years. I would like to hear from other kids who are interested in fly fishing. Matt- North Carolina
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M. Gades) writes: I’ve been kicking this idea around for a while and I think it could
be SOME TEXT DELETED So, where can we find your www home page? -tgades
RESPONSE: I understand your doubts howerer, I do not have a home page. While I admit that I am a business, I am also a fisherman. My educational background is in communication and I’d like to do some things for the NET. When the time comes for me to create a page, my page would still have to bear up to the scrutiny of the members of the Newsgroups. I intend to make sure that voting is carried out by a third party like other CFV’s in the groups. This is not motivated by greed!!!
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I’ve been kicking this idea around for a while and I think it could be interesting. What I propose is a series of awards voted on by the fishing newsgroup community to both recognize and influence the WWW and FTP developers to create more and better information for us – The Fishermen.
Good idea – go for it! You talk as if there is some seperate group of people we are dependent on to create WWW sites, but all the fishing sites I know of are fisherpersons’s personal work. That is the beauty (and nuisance) of WWW – it doesn’t take a multimillion$ corporation to create and broadcast work. Because what you’re seeing doesn’t go through any committee approval process, there’s quite a bit of variance in peoples’ works. If you have funding to give some awards you can perhaps inspire people to create works more to your liking – tell us what you’d like to give us a little time before the voting starts. The Virtual Fly Shop that Mike Tucker has put together has a good directory to other fishing sites. It lists all the sites that Mike has read about here and on the listserver. I don’t have the URL handy but it is posted here on rec.outdoors.fishing.fly often. If you have an idea, put a few hours into learning HTML and get started. I was able to learn enough and make my site in a weekend with the NCSA Simple HTML editor for Hypercard/Mac. If you don’t use Macintosh your timing couldn’t be better; I hear that windows PCs can now do graphics and there are free HTML editors available for them too. ;) If you need someone to host it and cannot find an affordable site, let me know and I can put you in contact. Mark Vinsel Visit my gallery: http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.HTML Also while your there, check out the ProArts Eastbay Open Studios web site: http://www.lanminds.com/local/proarts.html (I didn’t make this but it was my idea and I’m damn proud of it)
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AMI News has created a centralized source of outdoor information that includes links to various fishing pages. As a news organization we are trying to find fishing conditions from around the world along with other interesting fishing information that appeals to a wide range of readers. We invite you to submit any and all web sites for consideration. There is NO CHARGE to link. We also invite any fishing site to link with the AMI Rec Network. Take a look: http.//www.aminews.com/ami Thanks, Rob Brown Webmaster – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Take a look: http.//www.aminews.com/ami
My netscape reports no DNS entry to be found for www.aminews.com.
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I’d like to submit my homepage. It is relatively new, but I will be doing lots of work on it over the next few weeks. I focus on flyfishing and I live and fish mostly in Oregon, but fish often in Idaho, and take trips to Washington, California, Montana, just got back from the Green River in Utah, and a Red fish excursion to New Orleans. http://www.teleport.com/~anthonyn thanks, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – AMI News has created a centralized source of outdoor information that includes links to various fishing pages. As a news organization we are trying to find fishing conditions from around the world along with other interesting fishing information that appeals to a wide range of readers. We invite you to submit any and all web sites for consideration. There is NO CHARGE to link. We also invite any fishing site to link with the AMI Rec Network. Take a look: http.//www.aminews.com/ami Thanks, Rob Brown Webmaster
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I’ve been kicking this idea around for a while and I think it could be interesting. What I propose is a series of awards voted on by the fishing newsgroup community to both recognize and influence the WWW and FTP developers to create more and better information for us – The Fishermen. It seems like everyday, there is a posting on where to find good WWW information. This process will serve to organize and rate the various offerings out there and help make the info available to all. Later, we could possibly create a home page as an index to the best stuff out there. Please confine comment to the newsgroups as I think I would get swamped with E-Mail at this point. I will be sharing more details of my Idea in a few days but I just want to get discussion going.
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I’ve been kicking this idea around for a while and I think it could be interesting. What I propose is a series of awards voted on by the fishing newsgroup community to both recognize and influence the WWW and FTP developers to create more and better information for us – The Fishermen. SOME TEXT DELETED
So, where can we find your www home page? -tgades
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