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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would rate line control as the most difficult, especially when nymphing. When the fish are rising, you don’t have to be able to read water. There are other satellite skills worth mentioning: fly tying rodbuilding photography writing story telling teaching tree/plant/bird/animal identification map reading bullshitting/evasiveness sleuthing/gleaning info from other fishermen Any others?

ROFF survival skills are in need if one is not internet impaired. Flyfish

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A discussion in another thread got me to thinking. Which of the skills involved in angling with a fly requires the most effort to achieve proficiency ? A (incomplete, feel free to add your own) list of skills includes: Casting Line control Reading water Wading without doing a "Reid" Fly selection Convincing SWMBO to let you go fishing in the first place Of all these "skills" I believe reading water is the most difficult to become proficient at. And casting, I would rate casting as the easiest. Give me 20 minutes and I can teach someone to cast well enough to fish.

I agree that the reading of the water (& fish within) is the most challenging (and rewarding) aspect of fly angling, though I won’t necessarily concur that it is the most "difficult".  Reading the water is more or less an experience related thing, and you have to have experienced the occasion to be able to learn from it.  However, that being said, some people are more observant than others,  and will learn something about a specific thing from a singular exposure to the observation of whatever that thing might be.  The slower learners might have to observe the phenomena many times before fully understanding it.  Perhaps "difficult" should encompass the degree of pure ability of  eyesight  that is required to master the reading of the water & fish, as that is the key limiting factor of the human body & its application to flyfishing?  Keen sight and observation and a willingness to learn are the key elements in reading a water  (for me that water is a troutstream). Regards, Michael.

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Patience was a worthy addition, which would go hand in hand with memory – remembering past lessons learned and forgotten. …after that I would go into fly selection which is greatly tied to entomology and presentation..perhaps a dash of line control. ….but then I don’t know squat, I just like to fish…john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A discussion in another thread got me to thinking. Which of the skills involved in angling with a fly requires the most effort to achieve proficiency ? A (incomplete, feel free to add your own) list of skills includes: Casting Line control Reading water Wading without doing a "Reid" Fly selection Convincing SWMBO to let you go fishing in the first place Of all these "skills" I believe reading water is the most difficult to become proficient at. And casting, I would rate casting as the easiest. Give me 20 minutes and I can teach someone to cast well enough to fish. — Ken Fortenberry

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Patience. Steve

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I would add . . . Accepting that the fish are doing what the fish are doing, and not what I would want them to be doing, AND then. . . using appropriate rig and technique accordingly. …

Exactly correct. If the fish are not taking dry flies I accept that and use the appropriate rig, a can of cold Budweiser and a spliff. The "technique" is called "listening to the river sing sweet songs". I am not, as our esteemed correspondent from Sweden would suggest, totally clueless about nymphing. I will confess to having done it, as recently as on the Muskegon and on the San Juan, to provide ROFFian references. But anymore, fishing is more important than catching fish, and I’ll stick to dries if it’s OK with ya’ll. — Ken Fortenberry

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A discussion in another thread got me to thinking. Which of the skills involved in angling with a fly requires the most effort to achieve proficiency ? A (incomplete, feel free to add your own) list of skills includes: Casting Line control Reading water Wading without doing a "Reid" Fly selection Convincing SWMBO to let you go fishing in the first place

Line control, aka presentation. George Adams "All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of youth that doth not grow stale with age."                                                           —- J.W Muller

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Casting

    Nope, you can teach a monkey how to cast a fly line. Line control

    That’s the winner. I can’t believe how many avid ff’ers just don’t get it. I fish with lots of guys who’ve mastered all the other skills mentioned, but they just don’t seem to comprehend "dead drift". Reading water

    Important, but most guys seem to learn how to read the water years before they can make a proper presentation. Wading without doing a "Reid"

    Anybody with normal bipedal skills should be able to wade well enough to catch fish, but on a heavily fished river, a better wader has more opportunities. Fly selection

   A close second. Willi is often called the "troutmaster" and I believe this is why. The guy always has the right pattern; sometimes I’ll wade over to see what he’s using and I’m usually amazed, when I’m wading back to my spot I say to myself "Why didn’t I think of that?"     Not as important as line control, however. Unless it’s a "moving pattern" (streamers, skittering caddis, et al) the fish won’t bite it if it’s dragging. Convincing SWMBO to let you go fishing in the first place

    Got rid of beta version. Current wiff says I don’t fish enough.

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A discussion in another thread got me to thinking. Which of the skills involved in angling with a fly requires the most effort to achieve proficiency ?

As a newbie to fly fishing who has recently completed his first full season, the skill that most eludes me is line control, particularly where multiple and conflicting currents are involved.  While it isn’t pretty, I can cast well enough—as Ken writes—to catch fish.  I am able to read water well enough to locate the most obvious lies, and fly selection is an area in which I am improving.  Line control, though?  Good God!  I was badly humbled on the Owens River a couple of weeks ago while casting little caddis dries to rising fish.  Enough said. While I can practice some of the other "skills" away from the water, I need to have my line laying across the current in a real river to really be able to understand everything that comes into play with controlling the line. As an aside that might be more appropriate for ROFFT, the next skill I want to start learning is tying my own flies.  I’m leaning towards an inexpensive vise and tool kit (Thompson A plus tools), picking up materials as I go.  If somebody wants to enlighten me as far as other options go, I’m more than willing to listen.  Many thanks. Cheers, Bill

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A (incomplete, feel free to add your own) list of skills includes:

knowing when to check the hook point on yer yella humpy <g jeff and wolf should be pullin’ in any time now, on the road to snowbird… yabbba, dabbbba, dewwwwwwww . –waldo

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A discussion in another thread got me to thinking. Which of the skills involved in angling with a fly requires the most effort to achieve proficiency ? A (incomplete, feel free to add your own) list of skills includes: Casting Line control Reading water Wading without doing a "Reid" Fly selection

    i have a funny feeling that the responses will be conditioned to a large extent by the kind of water one usually fishes.  for example, my first choice is "line control", both in and out of the water.  that selection is driven because, as you well know, one must be able to cast in very confined conditions above the water, and mend like a magician *on* the water, to catch good fish in the mountains of north carolina.  tangentially, one’s wading abilities (including agility, strength, and stamina) are very, very important on streams such as snowbird, hazel, and the nanty.  the two talents bisect at some point, since the ability to acquire a position from which a particular run or pocket can be accessed more easily than a point at which one merely steps off the bank may reduce the need for difficult mending chores.     finally, the least important for me is fly selection.  where i come from, if you read water (which has always, strangely, come easy for me) well, and can achieve a drag free float, it usually doesn’t make a damn bit of difference what is on the end of the tippet. yfitons wayno

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<snip I totally agree.  I can’t cast worth a damn, but I can present a fly well in most situations.  I recently learned another way to "swing" a fly, and I wouldn’t have caught anything if I didn’t learn the technique. Missed you at HF.  Hope all is ok. Dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A discussion in another thread got me to thinking. Which of the skills involved in angling with a fly requires the most effort to achieve proficiency ? A (incomplete, feel free to add your own) list of skills includes: Casting Line control Reading water Wading without doing a "Reid" Fly selection Convincing SWMBO to let you go fishing in the first place Of all these "skills" I believe reading water is the most difficult to become proficient at. And casting, I would rate casting as the easiest. Give me 20 minutes and I can teach someone to cast well enough to fish. — Ken Fortenberry

Im my case, I think casting is the most difficult. I find that line control becomes easy when I am casting accurately and well.

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I would add . . . Accepting that the fish are doing what the fish are doing, and not what I would want them to be doing, AND then. . . using appropriate rig and technique accordingly. Its existential. And common, I suspect, to folks addicted to surface strikes. Dave

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<snip As an aside that might be more appropriate for ROFFT, the next skill I want to start learning is tying my own flies.  I’m leaning towards an inexpensive vise and tool kit (Thompson A plus tools), picking up materials as I go. If somebody wants to enlighten me as far as other options go, I’m more than willing to listen.  Many thanks. Cheers, Bill

You’re on the right track… The key is picking the flies you want to tie, and buying that material. Even more important is to actually learn some basic techniques: starting the thread, whip or half hitch finish, basic dubbing, and proportions.  You can get that from books, but it’s better to actually watch somebody.  Your local flyshop, TU or FFF chapter probably runs formal or informal classes during the winter.  Now is the time to check!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A discussion in another thread got me to thinking. Which of the skills involved in angling with a fly requires the most effort to achieve proficiency ? A (incomplete, feel free to add your own) list of skills includes: Casting Line control Reading water Wading without doing a "Reid" Fly selection Convincing SWMBO to let you go fishing in the first place Of all these "skills" I believe reading water is the most difficult to become proficient at. And casting, I would rate casting as the easiest. Give me 20 minutes and I can teach someone to cast well enough to fish.

For myself, I’d vote line control.  I regularly fish "big" water that requires casting beyond the main channel into pockets.  In these scenarios the fly often is presented on near still water, while the line is drifting in rapid water.  I find it difficult to mend 20′ of line in a current without pulling the fly out of the still water.

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 Have to agree with you.  I will hopefully fish till the day I get to old cast a fly and still not be able to know what is under the surface.  Tried reading books and it just doesn’t seem to be retained.  I think that it is probably only learned over time, or at the side of an experienced teacher.  The rest of the list is relatively easy to learn, especially the ‘Reid’ reference, turns out I only fell twice (this year) but did it with style.  :)        jim An hour on the river adds a day to your life. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A discussion in another thread got me to thinking. Which of the skills involved in angling with a fly requires the most effort to achieve proficiency ? A (incomplete, feel free to add your own) list of skills includes: Casting Line control Reading water Wading without doing a "Reid" Fly selection Convincing SWMBO to let you go fishing in the first place Of all these "skills" I believe reading water is the most difficult to become proficient at. And casting, I would rate casting as the easiest. Give me 20 minutes and I can teach someone to cast well enough to fish. — Ken Fortenberry

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Reading water Wading without doing a "Reid" Of all these "skills" I believe reading water is the most difficult to become proficient at. And casting, I would rate casting as the easiest. Give me 20 minutes and I can teach someone to cast well enough to fish. — Ken Fortenberry

I’ve been Reiding the water for years.  It is indeed a difficult skill to master unless you are born to it (What?!  You think you just fall into like a lottery winner?). Seriously, I do agree that reading the water is up there, but it is second to fly selection.  Yeh, when the rain is holding the slate drakes on the surface and you could cast a chunk of charcoal out there and get a 26" fish, its easy.  When the sun is high, no wind, no hatch, but you see the fish rolling deep and trying to figure them out is definately a knack. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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Of all these "skills" I believe reading water is the most difficult to become proficient at. And casting, I would rate casting as the easiest. Give me 20 minutes and I can teach someone to cast well enough to fish.

Well enough to catch _some_ fish, anyway.  There will always be other fish in difficult locations, and you could spend a lifetime refining your casting skills to the point where you can make the perfect presentation to every fish in the stream. Likewise, tying on a Wooly Worm and just letting it drift in the current will almost always catch _some_ fish, but a more refined approach will usually get more fish.  Again, you could spend a lifetime trying to improve your skills. This, I think, really goes to the heart of what makes fishing interesting.  Almost anybody can succeed at it to some degree, but you can always improve.  If you could ever really _master_ it, it wouldn’t be any fun anymore.  The game of Tic-Tac-Toe is amusing for children, but after a while they realize that there is only a small number of possible strategies, and then the game isn’t any fun to play anymore.  Chess has finitely many possible strategies as well, but it the number is so large and the game so complex that probably no human will ever completely master the game. Kevin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A discussion in another thread got me to thinking. Which of the skills involved in angling with a fly requires the most effort to achieve proficiency ? A (incomplete, feel free to add your own) list of skills includes: Casting Line control Reading water Wading without doing a "Reid" Fly selection Convincing SWMBO to let you go fishing in the first place Of all these "skills" I believe reading water is the most difficult to become proficient at. And casting, I would rate casting as the easiest. Give me 20 minutes and I can teach someone to cast well enough to fish. — Ken Fortenberry

"Reading the water"-skill is something that comes with spending a lot of time fishing and as such should be ranked high. Apart from that I would add correct presentation of different flies. Seeing that you may be a master dry fly fisherman and know absolutely nothing about nymphing, I would say that learning to present a fly correctly in any streamside situation takes a lot of different knowledge and experience. — Tight lines! / Roger Daytime engineer Lifetime flyfisherman If you feel like it, visit http://home.bip.net/angler/ for info on flyfishing in Sweden

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A discussion in another thread got me to thinking. Which of the skills involved in angling with a fly requires the most effort to achieve proficiency ? A (incomplete, feel free to add your own) list of skills includes: Casting Line control Reading water Wading without doing a "Reid" Fly selection Convincing SWMBO to let you go fishing in the first place Of all these "skills" I believe reading water is the most difficult to become proficient at. And casting, I would rate casting as the easiest. Give me 20 minutes and I can teach someone to cast well enough to fish.

Agreed, although I certainly would rank myself as "proficient". I’d rank "Line control" as number two. — TL, Tim

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A discussion in another thread got me to thinking. Which of the skills involved in angling with a fly requires the most effort to achieve proficiency ? A (incomplete, feel free to add your own) list of skills includes: Casting Line control Reading water Wading without doing a "Reid" Fly selection Convincing SWMBO to let you go fishing in the first place Of all these "skills" I believe reading water is the most difficult to become proficient at. And casting, I would rate casting as the easiest. Give me 20 minutes and I can teach someone to cast well enough to fish. — Ken Fortenberry

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I would rate line control as the most difficult, especially when nymphing. When the fish are rising, you don’t have to be able to read water. There are other satellite skills worth mentioning: fly tying rodbuilding photography writing story telling teaching tree/plant/bird/animal identification map reading bullshitting/evasiveness sleuthing/gleaning info from other fishermen Any others?

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  A discussion in another thread got me to thinking. Which of the   skills involved in angling with a fly requires the most effort to   achieve proficiency ?     A (incomplete, feel free to add your own) list of skills includes:     Casting   Line control   Reading water   Wading without doing a "Reid"   Fly selection   Convincing SWMBO to let you go fishing in the first place     Of all these "skills" I believe reading water is the most difficult   to become proficient at. And casting, I would rate casting as the   easiest. Give me 20 minutes and I can teach someone to cast well   enough to fish.   I think what we define as proficient in casting is very different. I think that casting is an integral part of presentation which IMO is the most difficult and complex of any of the skills. Willi

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I vote for setting the hook / striking (not listed). My success rate would skyrocket if I hooked 1/2 the fish that "take" or rise. Seems I’m either too slow or too fast most of the time. Jim Ray

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A discussion in another thread got me to thinking. Which of the skills involved in angling with a fly requires the most effort to achieve proficiency ? A (incomplete, feel free to add your own) list of skills includes: Casting Line control Reading water Wading without doing a "Reid" Fly selection Convincing SWMBO to let you go fishing in the first place Of all these "skills" I believe reading water is the most difficult to become proficient at. And casting, I would rate casting as the easiest. Give me 20 minutes and I can teach someone to cast well enough to fish. — Ken Fortenberry

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A discussion in another thread got me to thinking. Which of the skills involved in angling with a fly requires the most effort to achieve proficiency ? A (incomplete, feel free to add your own) list of skills includes: Casting Line control Reading water Wading without doing a "Reid" Fly selection Convincing SWMBO to let you go fishing in the first place Of all these "skills" I believe reading water is the most difficult to become proficient at. And casting, I would rate casting as the easiest. Give me 20 minutes and I can teach someone to cast well enough to fish.

Well, the two with the ";-)" aren’t really FFing skills per se (probably indicated by the ";-)" ) and wading isn’t a universal requirement of FFing, even taking it as a "skill" of FFing – however, if one wades, do so safely is important.  I’d agree that "reading water" (or "fishing in the right place at the right time," or whatever one wishes to call it) is the most difficult because it is the only one over which the angler has only limited control in the time one fishes, and no control over the "water" itself (well, other than on private water, and even then, the control is not complete).  With casting, the angler has the control, and "casting well enough to fish," if defined as getting a fly in the general area one wishes, isn’t that difficult, esp. with shorter casts. I would add to the list three more skills, with first being perhaps the most important skill: learning how to fight and release a fish, even if you rarely release.  It, like casting, is very easy to learn, yet is probably the most-neglected skill for most anglers.  If angling is a sport, learn to be sporting first and foremost – this relates, IMO, to my third addition, below. The second is presentation – "casting well enough to fish," again, if defined as getting a fly to the general area desired, is not all there is to FFing, and an "ugly" cast with a delicate presentation is often more effective than a "textbook" (aerial/distance portion) cast that finishes by landing like a cinder block on a logging chain tossed from a truck.  Granted, that is a bit extreme as a "perfect" cast should present fairly well, but the point remains that "casting" involves a number of "steps" that 20 minutes of instruction won’t teach completely for all situations. The third "skill" (admittedly stretching "skill" a bit, but…) being that of the ability to select appropriate tackle: heavy enough for the quarry while remaining enjoyable – no 3-wt. trout setups after salmon, etc., appropriate to the angler in terms of need, budget, experience, skill, etc. – going into debt for a 1000.00-plus USD setup will not make you a better angler, and anyone who tries to convince you otherwise has more problems than fishing – you CAN catch many species on any number of 100.00USD or less setups, be they new "X-Mart Specials," Cabela’s "kits," tag sale/flea market finds, etc.  OTOH, if the only thing that limits your purchasing ability is an outfitter’s inventory and your skill and experience is such that you wish to take advantage of the diminishing returns of "better" tackle, then getting whatever you wish is completely understandable, and, appropriate to the quarry and location – under-lined, under-backed Martin "X-Mart" specials are inappropriate when bonefishing, etc. TC, R

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Does anyone know how far away from the International Airport the Jungle Paw is? We are spending 3 nights there and then driving to the Green Parrot for a few days. I’ve read that the roads are pretty rough, I just need to know first hand how much time to allot.                                        Thanks, Mike&Anne ps. also any opinions of these places would be appreciated.

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Hi Mike & Anne, I just checked the their web site and it says it is 75 minutes from the International airport outside Belize City. http://www.jaguarpaw.com/ The Green Parrot Resort is on the coast about 7 miles north of Placencia in Southern Belize. http://www.greenparrot-belize.com/index.html If you need any help getting around in Belize, just email Margie Perez, she is a good local travel agent at the airport outside of Belize City. My specialty is fishing in Belize. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know how far away from the International Airport the Jungle Paw is? We are spending 3 nights there and then driving to the Green Parrot for a few days. I’ve read that the roads are pretty rough, I just need to know first hand how much time to allot.                                        Thanks, Mike&Anne ps. also any opinions of these places would be appreciated.

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Mike, Was in Belize this past June, beautiful country!   Jaguar Paw is about 60 minutes from the airport.  The roads you’ll be driving aren’t rough at all, except down towards Placencia.  Take your time and enjoy the ride, and watch out for speed bumps.  Enjoy! -Carl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know how far away from the International Airport the Jungle Paw is? We are spending 3 nights there and then driving to the Green Parrot for a few days. I’ve read that the roads are pretty rough, I just need to know first hand how much time to allot.                                       Thanks, Mike&Anne ps. also any opinions of these places would be appreciated.

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Thanks to Carl and Bill for their time and infomation. Mike&Anne

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We are planning a trip in January to Belize. Unlike other tropical spots there is little on the hotel/resort ratings.  We are looking at Roberts Grove in Placencia, the Lighthouse Reef Resort, Lighthouse Reef and at Little Water Caye.  Any suggestions?  We are looking for something, clean, on the Hyatt Regency sort of standards of living… Before you buy.

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We are planning a trip in January to Belize. Unlike other tropical spots there is little on the hotel/resort ratings.  We are looking at Roberts Grove in Placencia, the Lighthouse Reef Resort, Lighthouse Reef and at Little Water Caye.  Any suggestions?  We are looking for something, clean, on the Hyatt Regency sort of standards of living… My Belize Book of Lists 2000 (hint:  it’s available via Amazon.com, Barnes&Noble.com, etc.!) does rate and rank hotels in all areas of Belize. Below are samples. There are some wonderful places in Belize, but if you are looking for big, glitzy resorts on the Hyatt Regency scale, Belize is probaly the wrong place. –Lan Sluder Editor & Publisher Belize First Magazine http://www.turq.com/belizefirst/ 10 Top Mainland Seaside Resorts Mainland beaches aren

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(snip) Thanks, Dave

Dave, Don’t fish in Virginia!  There are no fish here!  All the fish are in Pennsylvania!  More fish are in New York!  So, don’t fish the Shenandoah, the upper Potomac, Stoney Creek, etc.  THERE ARE NO FISH THERE!  HONEST!!  Fish the Inner Harbor at Baltimore!  Many fish there.  More than you can possibly catch! — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Hello all, I am moving to Baltimore ,MD after the first of the year and was wondering what there is for flyfishing available within about a 2 hour drive of the city. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Dave

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I saw on the Trout Unlimited web site http://www.tutv.org/html/maryland.html info about the Gunpowder river outside of DC.

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There is this little body of water that some call the Chesapeake Bay. There are a few fish in it. Good luck.

Hello all, I am moving to Baltimore ,MD after the first of the year and was wondering what there is for flyfishing available within about a 2 hour drive of the city. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Dave — Flyfish NC                                                   Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com                                                                  

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Dave –         There’s more water within a couple of hours of Baltimore than you could reasonably fish in a lifetime.   I’ve lived in that area (actually DC) off and on for many years, and I’d be happy to introduce you to some of the local waters.   Drop me an email, and we’ll arrange to talk sometime.                                 Michael Roegner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, I am moving to Baltimore ,MD after the first of the year and was wondering what there is for flyfishing available within about a 2 hour drive of the city. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Dave

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Dave, I Live in Baltimore and fish the Gunpowder river, at least once a week. It is about a 30-45 minute drive, depending on where you live.  Since our drought last summer, the fishing hasn’t been too hot. Plus the bay tribs are great for stripers now. Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all, I am moving to Baltimore ,MD after the first of the year and was wondering what there is for flyfishing available within about a 2 hour drive of the city. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Dave

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Dave: Ditto that for me.   I’m 20 mi north of Balto.   Two excellent fly shops in the area, The Fisherman’s Edge & On the Fly.   A couple good streams nearby, dozens more within a few hours’ drive. Drop me a line & I’ll fill you in. Joe Fleischman

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Hello, this is Caddis 7 I saw on the Trout Unlimited web site

http://www.tutv.org/html/maryland.html info about the Gunpowder river outside of DC. Hello all, I am moving to Baltimore ,MD after the first of the year and was wondering what there is for flyfishing available within about a 2 hour drive of the city. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Dave

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Hello, this is Caddis 7

I read you, Caddis 7.  How are things out there?  Over. a big 10-4, buddy.  Mark Faulkner

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What do you like to fish? For lots of fun, generally smaller cutthroats, I suggest the Dewatto River. You can park at the bridge 2-3 miles from the mouth and fish downstream. Lots of pockets, log jams and no path to speak of. Hope you are in shape. Its a very small river, with its own pristine salt estuary.  Smash down your barbs because those occasional decent size bows you catch that fight like hell are most likely young steelhead. Wade wet or with wellies. The further you get in the better chances for something bigger. Amazing what these small pools can hold. The bottom is coated with caddis. Suggest small Stimulators to avoid hooking the tiny fellows. Also, stop in the FF  shop in Poulsbo for advice and flies. Also check out the current thread on the Dosewallips and the Duckabush in ROFF for info on two midsize streams. If you can breakaway for longer drive up the Skokomish and hike up the "Staircase" for a mile for the best trout river on Hood Canal. Its steep but not that bad and well worth it. Bears last year so no little wandering kids. All the above are delicate, waters so tread lightly. We may also be into Silvers by this time in the salt along the beaches. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be in the Bremerton WA area, staying at the SUB Base, next week. Any info on nearby fresh water fishing would be appreciated, I will probably have a few of hours free each evening. Thanks Jim

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I will be in the Bremerton WA area, staying at the SUB Base, next week. Any info on nearby fresh water fishing would be appreciated, I will probably have a few of hours free each evening. Thanks Jim

Hi Jim, The Dewatto was the first river to come to my mind as well, because it’s on that side of the Hood Canal, though I ‘ve never fished it myself. The fly shop’s name that David mentioned is Northwest Angler their phone number is 360.697.7100 the address is 18804 Front St., Poulsbo. They’re located right thread above regarding fishing the Olympic Peninsula. Tight lines, Darin

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I will be in the Bremerton WA area, staying at the SUB Base, next week. Any info on nearby fresh water fishing would be appreciated, I will probably have a few of hours free each evening. Thanks Jim

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For the traditionalists among you. As I was walking all alane, a heard twa anglers a makkin mane, the ane unto the ither did say oh, whaur shal we gang and fish the day oh, whaur shall we gang and fish the day, A dinna care whaur we seek delight, wi ma Black Raven as black as night, yon fush may rise so sly it may oh, this night a

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Hi All, I will try to guess why it is hard to find waders for kids? Most young anglers are not fly fishing, so they don’t really need waders. They are growing so fast that parents don’t want to pay much for waders. We have carried them off and on for years with very little sales. It might be too dangerous? It is supply and demand. Bill Kiene

My Dad always told me that wading in cold water in tennis shoes makes ya tough, and waders were for wimpy old men.  My guess is the real reason is what Bill said, they’re expensive, you would have to buy a new pair every year, and if a kid fell down wearing them, he could drown. Levi

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You can buy wadders for kids now at Cabella’s, Orvis or Madison River Flyshop/Outfitters. We got a pair made by BARE at MRF only because local shops didn’t carry them and the national catalog houses were out of stock at that time.Expect to pay like 75-$125. We got ours from Mike at MRFC e-mail Bill is so right about out growing wadders and boots. We couldn’t locate a men’s pair of boots to fit so we went to the smaller ladies sizes instead. (anybody need a good pair of ladies size 5 Hogman’s?) Mike suggested NOT buying boots for kids. Just get cheap over size tennis/sports shoes. We also let the child play in water when fishing slows down. Just be careful about water quality and your fellow fisherman who won’t appreciate that. I usually don’t fish when my son is in the water. Kids need supervision on water even if they don’t actually need help casting. -kyle- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will try to guess why it is hard to find waders for kids? Most young anglers are not fly fishing, so they don’t really need waders. They are growing so fast that parents don’t want to pay much for waders. We have carried them off and on for years with very little sales. It might be too dangerous? It is supply and demand. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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rb 9 year old boys grow so fast it may be best to buy inexpensive rubber hip boots or flyweight hip waders like those made by Cabelas (he could wear them with an old pair of sneakers).  Not extrememly durable but they will probably still be in good shape when he grows out of them. They come in a wide range of sizes. dward

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My son is getting to the age (9) where I’d like to start taking him along on a few trips.   Who makes decent waders in smaller sizes for kids?   I suppose he’s not really tall enough that wading up to his waist will gain him much distance, but he’ll feel more like dad if he has his own. Joe

Hi All, I will try to guess why it is hard to find waders for kids? Most young anglers are not fly fishing, so they don’t really need waders. They are growing so fast that parents don’t want to pay much for waders. We have carried them off and on for years with very little sales. It might be too dangerous? It is supply and demand. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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My son is getting to the age (9) where I’d like to start taking him along on a few trips.   Who makes decent waders in smaller sizes for kids?   I suppose he’s not really tall enough that wading up to his waist will gain him much distance, but he’ll feel more like dad if he has his own. Joe

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My son is getting to the age (9) where I’d like to start taking him along on a few trips.   Who makes decent waders in smaller sizes for kids?   I suppose he’s not really tall enough that wading up to his waist will gain him much distance, but he’ll feel more like dad if he has his own.

Cabela’s has some in their catalog. — Charlie…

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My son is getting to the age (9) where I’d like to start taking him along on a few trips.   Who makes decent waders in smaller sizes for kids?   I suppose he’s not really tall enough that wading up to his waist will gain him much distance, but he’ll feel more like dad if he has his own. Cabela’s has some in their catalog. — Charlie…

Thanks,  I overlooked the easy answer.   Since I’ll be lucky if he fits in them for a whole year at the rate he’s growing, I wouldn’t want to go premium name brand stuff anyway. Thanks, Joe

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Orvis and LL Bean both sell kid sized waders, but they’re expensive. I got my son some Cabela’s lightweight stocking foot waders in size S when he was 10 (he’s a big kid).  They were too long for him, but otherwise fine. About half the price of the above. Michael – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My son is getting to the age (9) where I’d like to start taking him along on a few trips.   Who makes decent waders in smaller sizes for kids?   I suppose he’s not really tall enough that wading up to his waist will gain him much distance, but he’ll feel more like dad if he has his own. Joe

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Sounds like a fair trade,  I’ll need an XL [Red Ball ST's or better]…do the kids need to be housebroken ? — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Hi. I am looking for your help and information on a project that I have going at present. I am producing a guide to the best places to fish and require information from your area. The information I need is of course the best fishing locations,species to target,methods of catching the fish,tackle used,local tackle shops accommodation etc.Please also classify the type of fishing it is,i.e boat,game,fly,coarse etc…. If the information provided is used,you will receive a credit to your name for providing the information. You may even be contacted as the local guide for the area if you wish. If possible,I would like information as to where the location is,be it by hand drawing or other,the nearest airport and port. This is a big project and your help will be greatly appreciated. Please send details by return e-mail and an acknowledgement will be sent to you. Kind regards. Paul Suggitt If you received this e-mail in error,then please accept my sincere apologies for bothering you. If you type remove in the subject line and return the mail,I will ensure that you will not be bothered again!

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One should be careful of posts like this, it MAY open you up to spam in your personal emailbox, and being added to a master email list for unsolicited ads that get sold these days. Post suggestions to the ng, thats what this is for right? JohnM

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi. I am looking for your help and information on a project that I have going at present. I am producing a guide to the best places to fish and require information from your area. The information I need is of course the best fishing locations,species to target,methods of catching the fish,tackle used,local tackle shops accommodation etc.Please also classify the type of fishing it is,i.e boat,game,fly,coarse etc…. If the information provided is used,you will receive a credit to your name for providing the information. You may even be contacted as the local guide for the area if you wish. If possible,I would like information as to where the location is,be it by hand drawing or other,the nearest airport and port. This is a big project and your help will be greatly appreciated. Please send details by return e-mail and an acknowledgement will be sent to you. Kind regards. Paul Suggitt If you received this e-mail in error,then please accept my sincere apologies for bothering you. If you type remove in the subject line and return the mail,I will ensure that you will not be bothered again!

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Hey ,watch out for this guy , I read his post on the NG and the next day got the same crap through my e-mail program. How do you anti-spammerize your e-mail programs. I use 3 different programs to filter some of the crap out. But it still gets through. —– The RodMaker ICQ# 9754996 http://geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you. — MB  Healy

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Can anyone tell me what it would cost to mail a one ounce letter from Australia to the United States via air mail?  Please supply the postage rate in local currency.  Thank you.

Like most of the civilised world, Australia uses the metric system. Standard size letters up to 20g are $1.05; up to 50g is $1.50. I believe one ounce is approximately 28g, making the cost $1.50. JR

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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats??

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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats??

Good question.

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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats??

What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. — Gordon

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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. — Gordon

I AM NOT!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gordon wrote… I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :)

ROTFL! I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance….. — Gordon

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gordon wrote… I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :) ROTFL! I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance…..

Well, that’s what you get in a country with a two party system.  BTW, Pooler is neither. cheers bob

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I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. — Gordon

All the U.S. participants are part of what some chose to call a "Two Party System"……

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Gordon wrote… In article

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :) ROTFL! I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance….. Well, that’s what you get in a country with a two party system. BTW, Pooler is neither. cheers bob

And, BTW, neither is the Nixon. I voted the Reform Party in the last National Election and am likely to do so again……. McDAve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gordon wrote… In article I’m doing a research paper for Tom Daschle. Please help. Why is it that almost all of the ARAB terrorists they’ve discovered within our country, are registered Democrats?? What puzzles me is why everybody in this newsgroup is a Liberal. Or a Democrat. It’s the way you set up your kill file :) I meant Democrat or Republican, I guess! Put it down to ignorance….. Well, that’s what you get in a country with a two party system. BTW, Pooler is neither. And, BTW, neither is the Nixon. I voted the Reform Party in the last National Election and am likely to do so again…….

Well, I’m all for revolution, sorry – reform. — Gordon

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Looking for any information on working Bamboo?–

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Looking for any information on working Bamboo?–

If you know any soldiers who have had experience in tropical jungle country they should know quite a lot about the use of bamboo.   Two genders  -  male and female – the male being smaller in diameter and more solid than the female which cam be of large diameter but hollw with relatively thin walls.   Chairs are more often made from Rattan which grows in conditions similst]r to bamboo and has very sharp spikes amongst its leaves.   That is about all I can tell you as I have only used it within the jungle scene using a khukri to cut it and split it to make beds, tables and the like.   The hollow inside the female variety is good for cooking rice or stuffing with explosive. — Charles (Joe) Stahelin Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK

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Looking for any information on working Bamboo?– If you know any soldiers who have had experience in tropical jungle country they should know quite a lot about the use of bamboo.   Two genders  -  male and female – the male being smaller in diameter and more solid than the female which cam be of large diameter but hollw with relatively thin walls.   Chairs are more often made from Rattan which grows in conditions similst]r to bamboo and has very sharp spikes amongst its leaves.   That is about all I can tell you as I have only used it within the jungle scene using a khukri to cut it and split it to make beds, tables and the like.   The hollow inside the female variety is good for cooking rice or stuffing with explosive.

Please do not forget its use as an ersatz mortar tube. Propped up at an angle and lashed to another piece of bamboo which had been lashed horizontally between two trees. To this day I cannot figure out how they managed to get the trajectories so close!

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I have seen bamboo laminates (3-ply) used for flooring recently.  According to the literature I read, it is actually harder than Red Oak, and makes a very interesting floor due to the very fine grain, or what resembles grain, and the nodes seem to be spaced very uniformily.  I have no idea how they remanufacture the finished product, but I am assuming they use the Timber type which grows 60+feet in a season.  I’d be interested to know how they mill it, etc..  Good luck. . .

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Intermediate Technology Publications publishes a book entitled:         Building with Bamboo: A handbook , Second Edition It is 88 pages and costs 9 pounds.  It discusses preparing bamboo for construction use, joints, and common building practices.  Please email me if you want more information re: publisher address, etc. Sorry, I discarded the original poster’s name and address. Douglas Stockman

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I have seen bamboo laminates (3-ply) used for flooring recently. According to the literature I read, it is actually harder than Red Oak, and makes a very interesting floor due to the very fine grain, or what resembles grain, and the nodes seem to be spaced very uniformily.  I have no idea how they remanufacture the finished product, but I am assuming they use the Timber type which grows 60+feet in a season.  I’d be interested to know how they mill it, etc..  Good luck. . . Bamboo’s actually a very fast growing species of grass, grows something like 1-2" per day.  It’s a light weight, excellent material for things like kite frames or construction scaffolding.  I’ve seen pics in Nat. Geo. of Taiwanese construction crews using the stuff for scaffolds reaching 10-12 stories above ground.  It can be worked by splitting, planing, and scraping.

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I’m new to the group…So far I like what I see.. I am looking for 2" diameter or larger bamboo to use for door frame and window frame in a special project. I searched all of my suppliers here in the Southeast. Closest I got was fresh stalks from the Atlanta Zoo. I would like something that was already cured. I would appreciate a suppliers name and number. Thanks in advance. David Holec Exhibit Manager SciTrek – Science and Tecnology Adventure Atlanta GA

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Hello, My dad has some contacts in Japan and could get some Japanes bamboo (larger diameter), but probably wouldn’t be cost effective unless you wanted a large amount. There is a forum about bamboo at www.woodfibre.com.  You might want to pose the same question there and they should be able to help. Don Yasaki HH & NK Co., Ltd.   Kings Mtn., NC Kiln-dried Hardwoods – Sawmill Direct Prices tel (704) 739-6914             fax (704) 739-7336 http://www.unc.edu/~dyasaki – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m new to the group…So far I like what I see.. I am looking for 2" diameter or larger bamboo to use for door frame and window frame in a special project. I searched all of my suppliers here in the Southeast. Closest I got was fresh stalks from the Atlanta Zoo. I would like something that was already cured. I would appreciate a suppliers name and number. Thanks in advance. David Holec Exhibit Manager SciTrek – Science and Tecnology Adventure Atlanta GA

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Try these two URL’s: http://www.bamboo.org/abs/ http://www.communety.com/mintec/welcome.html Keith Bohn b2d – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I’m new to the group…So far I like what I see.. I am looking for 2" diameter or larger bamboo to use for door frame and window frame in a special project. I searched all of my suppliers here in the Southeast. Closest I got was fresh stalks from the Atlanta Zoo. I would like something that was already cured. I would appreciate a suppliers name and number. Thanks in advance. David Holec Exhibit Manager SciTrek – Science and Tecnology Adventure Atlanta GA

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Does anyone have ideas or plans for making things out of Bamboo trees? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Does anyone have ideas or plans for making things out of Bamboo trees?

Sure. I make split bamboo flyfishing rods. By the way bamboo is more properly called a plant, not a tree. Darryl Hayashida

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Does anyone have ideas or plans for making things out of Bamboo trees?

No plans unfortunately, but look at some books dealing with late 19th century furniture design – in England and America there was a craze (Japonisme) for anything with an Asian aesthetic and faux (and real) bamboo chairs, cabinets, hall trees and such were briefly "all the rage".  Most of this furniture was painted in black, gold, white, or other color combinations… Kevin

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Does anyone have ideas or plans for making things out of Bamboo trees?

        Bamboo is a grass not a tree.  It is a plant but that is too general a term.         I do not know of any books of making things with bamboo.  I a sure I have never seen one.         I will through in this piece of advice from experience.  Do NOT try to blast a driveway through a bamboo hedge with explosives.  This is a ver bad move.         Riley

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Sure. I make split bamboo flyfishing rods. By the way bamboo is more properly called a plant, not a tree.

Try a grass.

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Does anyone have ideas or plans for making things out of Bamboo trees?

Fly rods!!!  Try FWW #34:68.  Hoagy B. Carmichael (Stardust’s son) wrote a great book on making them. Also, you can build scaffolding with it.  Check out building construction in Indonesia, and other SE Asian countries. mccs

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Does anyone have ideas or plans for making things out of Bamboo trees?

Actually, bamboo is a pretty versatile building material. My projects recently have  jinvolved making tables out of bamboo. The legs and table-top base are made using normal lengths of bamboo. The surface of the table-top is made by splitting the bamboo longitudinally to make about inch thick panels which can be nailed to the table-top base. My attempts so far have been a bit rough, but the result is not too bad. Cheers, Brendan. — C.S. Dept., James Cook University,        Phone:  (077) 815085. Townsville, QLD, 4811.  Australia.        There’s only one catch – Catch 22.

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Does anyone have ideas or plans for making things out of Bamboo trees?

Sure. I make split bamboo flyfishing rods. By the way bamboo is more properly called a plant, not a tree. Darryl Hayashida

There is almost nothing you can’t make out of bamboo.  It’s a whole technology all by itself.  You should be able to find several good books in your library. Miles Hollister

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Sure. I make split bamboo flyfishing rods. By the way bamboo is more properly called a plant, not a tree.

It is indeed not a tree, but I believe you meant that it is a grass, not that it is a plant (which is of course true.) The fact that it is a grass accounts for the strange chambered structure, as well as its astonishing growth rate. (I read these things in a recent industrial design magazine discussing bamboo’s usefulness, growth worldwide. Sorry, don’t remember the title.) Karl

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Currently seeking flyfishing photos and stories for publication and CD Rom Database, and for use in Calanders. Some selection will be used for pen and ink drawings. Paying $5.00 to $500.00 For guidelines and terms send $1.00 P&H to Down-n-The Holler Press 207 W. Sugarloaf Heber Springs, Ar. 72543

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Currently seeking flyfishing photos and stories for publication and CD Rom Database, and for use in Calanders. Some selection will be used for pen and ink drawings. Paying $5.00 to $500.00 For guidelines and terms send $1.00 P&H to Down-n-The Holler Press 207 W. Sugarloaf Heber Springs, Ar. 72543

You expect me to send you a dollar for your guidelines? Not too much chance of that happening. I can understand the need to cover expenses if snail mail was the only way, but what’s wrong with e-mail? If you send ME a dollar I will send you a copy of my terms and conditions for use of my photographs!:-) — Mike Robinson

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Currently seeking flyfishing photos and stories for publication and CD Rom Database, and for use in Calanders. Some selection will be used for pen and ink drawings. Paying $5.00 to $500.00 For guidelines and terms send $1.00 P&H to Down-n-The Holler Press 207 W. Sugarloaf Heber Springs, Ar. 72543

The last time I heard of an offer like this was when someone called me to tell me I’d just won a "fabulous prize".  All I had to do to claim said prize was to give him my credit card number.  <click!  End of conversation. If you’re guaranteeing payment of a minimum of $5.00 for each submission received I’ll be happy to pay you a buck for your guidelines and terms, *plus* I can guarantee a whole flood of stuff will soon arrive upon your doorstep.  If you’ll just guarantee *that* in writing my dollar bill will soon be winging its way to you.  :-) However, since I doubt you’re guaranteeing payment for any and all submissions I think that asking people to pay for your editorial guidelines and payment rate schedule is unlikely to produce much in the way of useful material.  In my dealings with publishers I’ve never had anyone ask for payment for their guidelines.  Perhaps you should reexamine your policy. — Bob Jarvis Mail addresses hacked to foil automailers! Remove ‘_spamless’ from reply address

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what a crock!!!

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I am looking for flyfishing spots within 1hour drive of arlington,va to fish with my 8 year old son. Ideally, looking for spots with parking available within 1mile of site-please e-mail thx

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As someone who travels to DC often, I’d like to know about any nearby flyfishing, too. Please post replies or include me in the e-mail. Thanks! Rod Forth

Ok.  You’ll hear people write about the Patapsco, Potomac, Hunting Creek and others around DC. The Pat and the Pot have some Smallmouth, the Pat a few put-n-take  trout in the Spring.  Hunting Creek is worthless as a trout fishery — it’s become one of the great disappointments in Maryland because of uncontrolled flow  – meaning very little flow (so don’t waste your time driving to Thurmont unless you want to see some pretty scenary).   Set your sights on the Gunpowder in northern Baltimore county, below Prettyboy reservoir.    Best thing going (within a couple hours of DC, anyway). One rule:  Put them back unharmed.  Thanks. J

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I know of the big hunting creek in the Cotoctin mountain. There are also a few others in the area. I’ve been there a couple of times but i’m not sure of the highway that goes there. I do know that it is near FREDERICK and THURMONT MD. It is about an hour drive from DC. I suggest you look at a map or better yet call a local fly shop. tight lines mike* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As someone who travels to DC often, I’d like to know about any nearby flyfishing, too. Please post replies or include me in the e-mail. Thanks! Rod Forth

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