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My own opinion is that the future of the sport lies in lotteries or tickets for limited access to the most popular waters, and encouraging fishermen to spread their days over a diversity of waters, and to limit their days fishing if need be. Right now, I don’t think people really fish too often, just that they concentrate those days on the few well-publicized "gold medal" waters…

I whole heartedly support limited access. I don’t know how the change the pattern of high concentration on a few select waters in any other way. Willi

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….what was the guy thinking when he did this? I hadn’t heard a single word about it till you posted this.  Now, I might look it up.  What were you thinking? I did think about this and hesitated about posting. However, the stream has been discussed on ROFF in the past, the RMN has a circulation of over half a million readers who live in proximity to the stream, the stream is not and never will be a destination water, etc. etc.

O.K., so you aren’t worried about ME coming to fish there.  It’s only the residents of Denver and it’s immediate environs that you wish to EXCLUDE in this particular instance; only anyone who is likely to want to go there.  And this comes to us from a man just coming down off a week long rant about the exclusionary atmosphere in ROFF.  The same man, by the way, who thinks it is a good idea to exclude human beings altogether from certain areas.  So, we are all required to be nice to the newbies and tell them everything they need to know about HOW to fish, but not let anyone know about Willi’s favorite spots in Colorado.  And I’ll bet a shiny new nickel that anytime someone tells you about a SECRET stream you make a point of staying away from it in order to keep the pressure down, right?  You sir, are a monumental hypocrite.

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My own opinion is that the future of the sport lies in lotteries or tickets for limited access to the most popular waters, and encouraging fishermen to spread their days over a diversity of waters, and to limit their days fishing if need be. Right now, I don’t think people really fish too often, just that they concentrate those days on the few well-publicized "gold medal" waters… I whole heartedly support limited access. I don’t know how the change the pattern of high concentration on a few select waters in any other way.

Publicize less popular waters?  I think if Colorado were actually worried about it, the first step would be to stop publicizing the "gold-medal" waters.  Since they continue, I have trouble believing that they find the crowding to be as big a problem as those here on ROFF do.      - Ken

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I whole heartedly support limited access.

What about a minimum age requirement, say 50? Give the youngsters something to look forward to. — Charlie…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….what was the guy thinking when he did this? I hadn’t heard a single word about it till you posted this.  Now, I might look it up.  What were you thinking? I did think about this and hesitated about posting. However, the stream has been discussed on ROFF in the past, the RMN has a circulation of over half a million readers who live in proximity to the stream, the stream is not and never will be a destination water, etc. etc. O.K., so you aren’t worried about ME coming to fish there.  It’s only the residents of Denver and it’s immediate environs that you wish to EXCLUDE in this particular instance; only anyone who is likely to want to go there.  And this comes to us from a man just coming down off a week long rant about the exclusionary atmosphere in ROFF.  The same man, by the way, who thinks it is a good idea to exclude human beings altogether from certain areas.  So, we are all required to be nice to the newbies and tell them everything they need to know about HOW to fish, but not let anyone know about Willi’s favorite spots in Colorado.  And I’ll bet a shiny new nickel that anytime someone tells you about a SECRET stream you make a point of staying away from it in order to keep the pressure down, right?  You sir, are a monumental hypocrite.

Isn’t that the mantra of all the hypocrites here?   "I want less crowds…all the rest of you stop fishing" Hey, I’m as selfish as the next person, but at least I admit it.       – Ken

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I whole heartedly support limited access. What about a minimum age requirement, say 50? Give the youngsters something to look forward to. — Charlie…

Sounds like a good idea Charlie except the minimum age for the prime spots should be 70. Ernie

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Sounds like a good idea Charlie except the minimum age for the prime spots should be 70.

Let’s implement it gradually so that is true in about 18yrs<g. — Charlie…

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I really like that idea a bunch! I whole heartedly support limited access. What about a minimum age requirement, say 50? Give the youngsters something to look forward to.

Harry Mason www.troutflies.com

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Isn’t that the mantra of all the hypocrites here? "I want less crowds…all the rest of you stop fishing" Hey, I’m as selfish as the next person, but at least I admit it.       – Ken

Absolutely.  It’s highly ironic that everyone professes to want to promote the sport while at the same time decrying the numbers of people found on the water.  The jealous secrecy attached to particular hallowed favorite waters is especially telling.  I’m not fond of encountering crowds on the waters I fish either, but it’s easy enough to find something secluded.  As for the health of the waters themselves, individual bodies only remain popular so long as there are sufficient numbers of fish to maintain a high level of interest; not many people are going to stay for long on a stream with no fish in it.  So, a favorite stream gets written up in a magazine.  Everybody goes there and pretty soon all the fish are dead.  Everybody stops going.  A few years later the stream has recovered and in the meantime everybody is busy doing the same thing to another.  Or, thousands of people converge on a stream, the stream maintains high fish populations and life goes merrily on. Anyone TRULY interested in reducing fishing pressure on their favorite streams (or any other for that matter) should immediately do three things:  1.  Stop fishing NOW!  2. Stay OFF this news group.  3. Encourage anyone who plans to stay in ROFF to roast EVERY newbie who comes along.

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<< .. I did email the guy with my opinions about it, but what was the guy thinking when he did this?

I have been dealing with the same thing here in Spokane.  The local outdoor writer, who by the way happens to be an old time fly fisher, has taken to talking non stop about the blue ribbon lakes up in my hometown area.   He is vague when he talks about his own favorite waters but brags up these alpine lakes to no end.  As a result, there were over 200 fly fisherman on my favorite lake this opening weekend when two years ago there were only 40 people. Mike

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Maybe the guy was thinking that responsibility for stream-use management belongs to the DWR.

He could have made this point without naming the stream itself. I also don’t think that was his slant. He is pretty much of the opinion that C&R is THE solution to all of Colorado’s problems. The numerous public meetings he mentioned that are scheduled to discuss upcoming regs for a number of our waters should be well attended, hotly debated affairs. Willi

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but what was the guy thinking when he did this? He was thinking about selling newspapers.

About two years ago, Fly Fisherman magazine did an issue with two articles on small trout streams, located only minutes away from Los Angeles and Phoenix.  I wonder how many fish were left a month or so after they hit the newsstands. If you scan through the back issues of FFM from the early ’80’s onward, you notice that practically every issue mentions the Bighorn River — at first with titles like "America’s Greatest Trout River," but they start turning into "Over-crowding on the Bighorn."  I have yet to see any sort of mea culpa or any other sign of self-consciousness from the editorial staff though. Kevin

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….what was the guy thinking when he did this? I hadn’t heard a single word about it till you posted this.  Now, I might look it up.  What were you thinking?

I did think about this and hesitated about posting. However, the stream has been discussed on ROFF in the past, the RMN has a circulation of over half a million readers who live in proximity to the stream, the stream is not and never will be a destination water, etc. etc. Willi

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he wasn’t thinking, at all.  this brings to the forefront my primary concern regarding the present and future state of this sport.  there are too damn many people who fish, and those who do fish, fish too often.

The situation here in Colorado is that although there have been fewer licenses sold over the last few years, but there are now many more fly fishermen who fish many more days per year.  The result is historically high pressure on our streams and rivers. anyone who exposes a fragile resource such as the one willi describes should be banned from fishing for a substantial time, after a severe ass whipping.     and yeah, this is the primary reason why i don’t get enthused over making certain that the sensibilities of newbies are massaged.  there’s a gracious plenty of us out there as it is.

Although I definitely DON’T think that’s an excuse for being an asshole toward people, I agree that we don’t need more people fishing the streams and rivers. We are in a unique position, in that with most endeavors, if there is more interest, more facilities can be built to accommodate them. You can’t build a trout stream. Willi

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… I did email the guy with my opinions about it, but what was the guy thinking when he did this?

Outdoor writers have to walk a fine line between being vague and therefore irrelevant to their readers and "spilling the beans" so to speak and perhaps harming the spots they write about. I basically agree it’s a bad idea to publicize places that are best left well enough alone but I do have some sympathy for the dilemma outdoor writers face too. — Ken Fortenberry

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….what was the guy thinking when he did this?

I hadn’t heard a single word about it till you posted this.  Now, I might look it up.  What were you thinking?

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there are too  damn many people who fish, and those who do fish, fish too often.

Hey speak for yourself Mr. "I live only a few short hours away from heaven on Earth" Harrison. The only fishing I’m doing these days is in my dreams. But in heartfelt agreement on the punishment due that writer. —- Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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but what was the guy thinking when he did this?

He was thinking about selling newspapers. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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   he wasn’t thinking, at all.  this brings to the forefront my primary concern regarding the present and future state of this sport.  there are too damn many people who fish, and those who do fish, fish too often.  anyone who exposes a fragile resource such as the one willi describes should be banned from fishing for a substantial time, after a severe ass whipping.    and yeah, this is the primary reason why i don’t get enthused over making certain that the sensibilities of newbies are massaged.  there’s a gracious plenty of us out there as it is.

Yeah!!  You tell it.  Anyone who wasn’t fishing pre-1974 (chosen so that I just barely meet the requirement) shouldn’t be allowed on the water at all.  And all you who do meet that requirement can’t take your kids with to even let them see the water.  It’s a special club dontcha know. Hey, here’s a thought, since it’s all you boomers out there that are causing the crowds, why don’t we just regulate you all off the water? It’d get rid of the crowds…      - Ken

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The point is that this is a small stream that can’t sustain a great deal of pressure. It could be easily fished out and even with C&R, crowds are totally inappropriate on such a small stream. Denver has a large population of fishermen. I did email the guy with my opinions about it, but what was the guy thinking when he did this? Willi

    he wasn’t thinking, at all.  this brings to the forefront my primary concern regarding the present and future state of this sport.  there are too damn many people who fish, and those who do fish, fish too often.  anyone who exposes a fragile resource such as the one willi describes should be banned from fishing for a substantial time, after a severe ass whipping.     and yeah, this is the primary reason why i don’t get enthused over making certain that the sensibilities of newbies are massaged.  there’s a gracious plenty of us out there as it is.     wayno

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The point is that this is a small stream that can’t sustain a great deal of pressure. It could be easily fished out and even with C&R, crowds are totally inappropriate on such a small stream. Denver has a large population of fishermen. I did email the guy with my opinions about it, but what was the guy thinking when he did this?

Maybe the guy was thinking that responsibility for stream-use management belongs to the DWR. –Steve

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In the Rocky Mountain News today, there is an article by Ed Dentry discussing fishing on a small stream in the foothills of Denver. The stream actually runs through some of Denver’s suburbs. The article was about how the stream was ignored by fishermen on their way to more distant waters and that some of the landowners in the area were attempted to put C&R regs on the stream. It’s been 15 years since I lived in the Denver area, but when I did, this stream was my local favorite. It was VERY lightly fished and held some nice fish, especially in the urban sections. A guy who has posted trip reports to ROFF about the stream, lives in an apartment right next to it and echoes my memories of it. The point is that this is a small stream that can’t sustain a great deal of pressure. It could be easily fished out and even with C&R, crowds are totally inappropriate on such a small stream. Denver has a large population of fishermen. I did email the guy with my opinions about it, but what was the guy thinking when he did this? Willi

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Question:

I just signed up for the three day class with Outdoors, Inc. in St. Louis. Is it worth the $350? Bob

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Robert D. Sheppard writes: I just signed up for the three day class with Outdoors, Inc. in St. Louis. Is it worth the $350? Bob

If you are a beginner, yes. Coming back after a long hiatus, yes. Been ffing for a year, maybe. Been ffing for a few years, no. Dave LaCourse

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depends…is that the one that includes budweiser? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just signed up for the three day class with Outdoors, Inc. in St. Louis. Is it worth the $350? Bob

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There is a great article in February’s California Fly Fisher about Mas Okui who has fished Hot Creek since the 1940’s.  The unusual thing about it is he uses a dry fly with great success.  I had always thought the only way to catch Hot Creek trout was with a nymph.  Limber up your old fiberglass rods, tie up a few 18 foot leaders, some of his Tan Killer flies and use his casting methods to turn Hot Creek into a dry fly fishery. Ernie Harrison Want to make tapered leaders?  http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2

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Ernie Harrison wrote The unusual thing about it is he uses a dry fly with great success.  I had always thought the only way to catch Hot Creek trout was with a nymph.  Limber up your old fiberglass rods, tie up a few 18 foot leaders, some of his Tan Killer flies and use his casting methods to turn Hot Creek into a dry fly fishery.

After fishing Hot Creek a couple times, I cannot imagine why one would use anything but dry flies … with perhaps a short dropper off the dry…given the degree of vegetation in the stream.  Certainly, if you use the conventional indicator-splitshot-attractor-dropper rig, you’d be continually getting hung up in the weeds.  I guess I’ll have to come watch you do it sometime … I still haven’t ’solved’ Hot Creek … given all that vegetation and the self-imposed taboo against wading….it’s been a real challenge for me. —                                                       -dnc-

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Fiddle Away,    Hot Creek is not easy for me either.  Trying to drift a nymph down through those channels of acquatic weeds is a real pain.  That is one of the reasons I really liked the Article in California Fly Fisher. Ernie FiddleAway wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -After fishing Hot Creek a couple times, I cannot imagine why one would use anything but dry flies … with perhaps a short dropper off the dry…given the degree of vegetation in the stream.  Certainly, if you use the conventional indicator-splitshot-attractor-dropper rig, you’d be continually getting hung up in the weeds.  I guess I’ll have to come watch you do it sometime … I still haven’t ’solved’ Hot Creek … given all that vegetation and the self-imposed taboo against wading….it’s been a real challenge for me. —                                                      -dnc-

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Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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What is the newsletter address? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ron;   There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

There’s a fine line between fishing and standing on the shore like an idiot." – Steven Wright

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Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Preciate that Bob, You may rest assured that I will always be skulking in the shadows of R.O.F.B. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, Rodmaker, hope you don’t find what you are looking for.  Sure would miss your posts here! — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865 Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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Hey, Rodmaker, hope you don’t find what you are looking for.  Sure would miss your posts here! — Go fishing. And may your fish be as big as your tales! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Gee, I have searched for rod builders, but seem to find our site at the head of the list.I would be interested in an NG for,about & by rodbuilders. — The RodMaker http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/2865 Ron;    There are is a Rod Builders News Letter and a Rod Builders Chat group. If you are interested just search for rod builders. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff:   http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 Anyone out there keen to start a Newsgroup for discussion on rod building & repairs, lure making, fly tying, etc etc? Please e-mail me if interested. Ron Looi

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I’m scheduled the weekend before the Canadian Thanksgiving, October 10th.

I mean the weekend *of* Thanksgiving – can’t read a damn calendar anymore. Peter

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Peter Charles: (snip) <<"Son, I can bring you to the fish, but *you* have to catch’em."  Must be a real guide, eh? Sounds about right.  He left out the part about leaving his ears intact.  <g Dave L.

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Peter Charles: <<"Son, I can bring you to the fish, but *you* have to catch’em."  Must be a real guide, eh? Sounds about right.  He left out the part about leaving his ears intact.  <g

You must hear that a lot, Dave… /daytripper ;^)

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Tripper : <Sounds about right.  He left out the part about leaving his ears intact.  <g

You must hear that a lot, Dave… /daytripper ;^) Heh, heh, heh.  When I am in Labrador with one of the grand kids, we (the guide and I) always place the guide to the left of the grand son.  When we putt-putt up river, the guide is in the middle and Jeff or Brian is in the stern.  When we float down river bow first, we reverse locations.  One guide actually said "Shift" when we were to make the transition.  <g See you up there the week of the 6th?  I’ll have a six pack of Sleeman’s.  Hafta save the rest for the NC Gang in October. Dave L.

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[snip] See you up there the week of the 6th?  I’ll have a six pack of Sleeman’s.  Hafta save the rest for the NC Gang in October.

It’s looking good so far. I have to move my younger son into his college dorm on the 5th, the older one doesn’t leave for London ’til the 20th, so I should be able to come up for a few days at least. How many are you going to be? Need a bunky, Bunky? ;^) fwiw: Had a lovely day in Wellfleet, and now I’m sitting on a deck chair clicking away under starlight, accompanied by the sounds of the sea. Opus the Wonderlab is conked out against my feet, a cool Dundee’s rests within reach. Very nice indeed. /daytripper

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Tripper: <<Had a lovely day in Wellfleet, and now I’m sitting on a deck chair clicking away under starlight, accompanied by the sounds of the sea. Opus the Wonderlab is conked out against my feet, a cool Dundee’s rests within reach. Ahaaa, a Dundee’s.  I have converted another. I invited wayno up, but I haven’t heard from him.  I think he’s still in St. Louis.  Jo isn’t going — she’s heading to Georgia for a family reunion.  Just me and Henry.  Room for more if you wish.  I tied up something that I think will be a killer.  Will show you up there.  I had problems with it (parachute), but Peter set me right.  I still have two mountain bikes up there, so if you come, don’t bother with your’s.                         I need to do some fishing! Dave

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I invited wayno up, but I haven’t heard from him.  I think he’s still in St. Louis.  Jo isn’t going — she’s heading to Georgia for a family reunion.   Dave

ok now dave…surely you’ve noticed something here, eh?  wayno in st. louis, jo headed to georgia???  hmmm… <ggg jeff

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Jeff Miller: <<ok now dave…surely you’ve noticed something here, eh?  wayno in st. louis, jo headed to georgia???  hmmm… <ggg   <BSEG  Jo isn’t going to Georgia until September.  Besides, wayno loves life.  Course, you could come also.  The alewifes will be running and the salmon going crazy over them. Dave L.

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Charlie Choc: <<ok now dave…surely you’ve noticed something here, eh?  wayno in st. louis, jo headed to georgia???  hmmm… <ggg

Shhhhhhh<g. — Charlie… You forgot the "iiiiitttttttt".  <g Dave…

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dave –  fished the ale-wife streams during my younger years…but the ale-husbands always got tangled in my line…now, i’m absolutely content in the nc trout streams…but, i’ve been talkin to pj about takin a look at Maine next year.  we’ve never been that far north.  do we need a visa? jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff Miller: <<ok now dave…surely you’ve noticed something here, eh?  wayno in st. louis, jo headed to georgia???  hmmm… <ggg   <BSEG  Jo isn’t going to Georgia until September.  Besides, wayno loves life.  Course, you could come also.  The alewifes will be running and the salmon going crazy over them. Dave L.

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Jeff Miller: <<dave –  fished the ale-wife streams during my younger years…but the ale-husbands always got tangled in my line…now, i’m absolutely content in the nc trout streams…but, i’ve been talkin to pj about takin a look at Maine next year.  we’ve never been that far north.  do we need a visa? Visa?  No, but you should probably put a leash on PJ once you get into Pennsylvania or New York.  <g  I was thinking about old PJ this morning and his come back when I said I was gonna kick his ass.  He said, "Better bring your lunch."  LOL.  Hell, I think I’d need a catoring truck.  <g   I hope you can both make it next year. Oh, yeah……. if you drive up, *you* drive.  <g Dave LaCourse

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I’ve been having pretty good luck on the Grand with streamers lately. The water is high and off colour so the dry acttion is very slow and I’m not much of a nympher.  (BTW, is a female angler who nymphs, a nymphette?)  Anyway, I’m out slugging streamers with my six weight and I’ve taken a few fish when I notice a few rises, nothing regular but things are starting to happen. At about 6:30, I notice the water is literally carpeted with trico spinners.  Every square foot must have between 20 to 50 of the little buggers.  Now the browns are rising regularly but with so many naturals, will I stand a chance? A small fish was working a seam and I put a few casts over him, directly through his window, but no dice.  My ties are size 22 and the naturals are about a 24, so I use my clippers to reduce the wings.  I add on about 3′ of 7X to my 9′ leader and start looking for a new victim. While I was doing the manicure thing, a huge brown makes a massive rise about 75′ upstream.  But that’s it, nothing more.  So I concentrate on a small one working another seam in front of me.  After about 30 casts, the little guy finally takes it and I land a nice, bright 8" brown. I work my way upstream toward the big one but she doesn’t show herself again.  A nice sized fish is working regularly so I decide to go after him instead.  Now things get difficult.  First off, I’m trying to short cast a #22 on a 12′ 7X leader with my stout six weight streamer rod – not good.  Second problem, the trout is not working a seam, rather he’s drifting around a big flat and his rises are neither regular nor consistently in the same spot.  Without belabouring things, I cast to this bugger for an hour.  There are so many naturals on the water that many times I think he’s taken the fly when he’s really taken a natural that was riding beside it.  Twice I think I’ve bumped him and put him down, but the dining is too good and he never pauses.  Since he has no rhythym, I’m often in midcast when he comes up.  Sometimes I have the pleasure of watching my fly drift through the spreading rings of his rise it having arrived two seconds too late. Finally I realize that is fish has got the better of me so I make the decision to try ten more casts then call it quits.  Ten nothing . . . nine nothing . . . then on number six, he takes it.  After a short but stubborn fight I land him, a nice 11" brown. This is one of those evenings that will stay stuck in my memory for a long time.  A finicky fish, an absolutely massive trico spinner fall, and finally scoring when I had decided to quit.  Just to add to the evening, I crossed Bronte Creek on the way home and ran into a trico snowstorm on the bridge — yeeeuuch what a mess. Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.cgocable.net/~pcharles/index.html

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Peter Charles: (great story snip) <<Just to add to the evening, I crossed Bronte Creek on the way home and ran into a trico snowstorm on the bridge — yeeeuuch what a mess. May have been a mess, Peter, but it was an enjoyable read.  <g When is your float trip down the Grand? Dave LaCourse

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At about 6:30, I notice the water is literally carpeted with trico spinners.  Every square foot must have between 20 to 50 of the little buggers.  Now the browns are rising regularly but with so many naturals, will I stand a chance?

I’m going down to Silver Creek to fish the trico hatch this morning. Here’s the way it works there. (Repeating something I posted a few days ago.) When the spinner fall starts — which can be truly massive — pods of large fish start feeding together. They don’t rise to individual flies. They just stay on the surface, with their heads sweeping back and forth, gulping large numbers of flies. If you’re lucky or knowledgeable enough to be above one of these pods it gets really exciting. You have to present the fly downstream right into a fish’s mouth. They won’t budge for an individual fly. The fish are so gluttonous at this point that if you put down the pod with a clumsy take-up they’re back to feeding in just a few seconds. There are trico spinner patterns but I don’t use them because I can’t see them. I use the much more visible dun pattern, which seems to work fine. With so many flies the fish don’t inspect each one with their customary finickyness. — Those who say do not know; those who know do not say. — Lao Tsu, who must have been a fisherman. something bogus to avoid spam)

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… This is one of those evenings that will stay stuck in my memory for a long time.  A finicky fish, an absolutely massive trico spinner fall, and finally scoring when I had decided to quit. …

Very nice. Thanks for the play by play. Fishing the spinner fall is one of the more challenging exercises in fishing the small fly. Nice to know that SOMEONE can have success at it, and with a 6wt to boot ! — Ken Fortenberry

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When is your float trip down the Grand? Dave LaCourse

I’m scheduled the weekend before the Canadian Thanksgiving, October 10th.  Scott is included and Barney Jones, co-owner of Grindstone Angling, will be our guide.  Knowing full well his reaction, I asked Barney if he will get us into fish.  He put his arm around me in a fatherly fashion and said, "Son, I can bring you to the fish, but *you* have to catch’em."  Must be a real guide, eh? Peter

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going down to Silver Creek to fish the trico hatch this morning. Here’s the way it works there. (Repeating something I posted a few days ago.) When the spinner fall starts — which can be truly massive — pods of large fish start feeding together. They don’t rise to individual flies. They just stay on the surface, with their heads sweeping back and forth, gulping large numbers of flies. If you’re lucky or knowledgeable enough to be above one of these pods it gets really exciting. You have to present the fly downstream right into a fish’s mouth. They won’t budge for an individual fly. The fish are so gluttonous at this point that if you put down the pod with a clumsy take-up they’re back to feeding in just a few seconds. There are trico spinner patterns but I don’t use them because I can’t see them. I use the much more visible dun pattern, which seems to work fine. With so many flies the fish don’t inspect each one with their customary finickyness.

I wish they had been feeding this way; it would have made life simple. No these fish were rising as if they were targeting individuals. There could have been as much as a minute between rises and the fish were widely scattered.  Totally different behaviour from what you described.  I guess this is part of what makes this business so interesting. Peter

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I will be going to a family reunion in Northern Wisconsin next summer and I would like to do a little flyfishing while I’m there.  I’m new to flyfishing and have only fished in Colorado.  I will be North of Green Bay on the Oconto River.  Does anybody know what type of fly is good in June/July time frame?  I will be taking my tying equipment but would like to know so I can tie up some flies before I drive to grandma’s house. I’m also interested in fishing for walleye and pike or anything else that swims!!!!!  Any advice would be welcomed.  You can either post Thanks, Rik Meyers Colorado Springs, CO

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I will be going to a family reunion in Northern Wisconsin next summer and I would like to do a little flyfishing while I’m there.

The two web sites I find most accurate and useful for WI trout: http://home.dwave.net/~patrick/ http://www.vbe.com/~heusers/ff_wi/streams/whereto.htm Hope this helps. — Ken Fortenberry

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I am looking for someone who will provide first-time instruction to a fly fishing beginner in the Sangre de Cristo Mountains of New Mexico.  Please

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There is at least one shop in Santa Fe that offers a guide service. Look them up in the yellow pages at your local library. (Yep, paper still works to transmit information!) — Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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There is at least one shop in Santa Fe that offers a guide service. Look them up in the yellow pages at your local library.

Try: Santa Fe Flyfishing School & Guide Service (505) 986-3913 Bill Schudlich Santa Fe, NM

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 ANY ONE FLY FISHING THERE LATLEY I’LL BE 6/8/96 TO 6/14/96  ANY SPECIAL TRICKS. OR FLY’S, DRY OR WET. BY THE WAY IT’S  IN NORTHERN PLUMAS NATIONAL FOREST. –

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 ANY ONE FLY FISHING THERE LATLEY I’LL BE 6/8/96 TO 6/14/96  ANY SPECIAL TRICKS. OR FLY’S, DRY OR WET. BY THE WAY IT’S  IN NORTHERN PLUMAS NATIONAL FOREST.

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ANY ONE FLY FISHING THERE LATLEY I’LL BE 6/8/96 TO 6/14/96 ANY SPECIAL TRICKS. OR FLY’S, DRY OR WET. BY THE WAY IT’S IN NORTHERN PLUMAS NATIONAL FOREST.

Charlie Smith, the local tier and fly fisherman at Buck’s Lake, uses a Deer Hair Fly ( Humpy ) and the Rio Grand King dry fly in the streams.  He uses an Olive Wooly Worm in the lakes.  I would also have some #14/16 Adams Paraduns for the lakes. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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If I hear Flip Pallet’s bogus into, with his burning of the memories onto film line one more time, I think I’ll go crazy.

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If I hear Flip Pallet’s bogus into, with his burning of the memories onto film line one more time, I think I’ll go crazy.

I enjoy Pallot’s show most of all the ESPN shows.  I do wish that he would spend more time on technique and tackle, without brand names unless they are critical to his recommendations.

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If I hear Flip Pallet’s bogus into, with his burning of the memories onto film line one more time, I think I’ll go crazy. I enjoy Pallot’s show most of all the ESPN shows.  I do wish that he would

spend more time on technique and tackle, without brand names unless they are critical to his recommendations.         The same could be said about "Flyfishing the World".  The host spends way too much time waxing poetic and mooning over whatever celebrity he happens to have invited along for that weeks show.  (By the way, has anyone else out there found new respect for that chair tossing sumbitch Bobby Knight?) Consequently, the show spends far too little time detailing tackle and technique.           Mark Sosin is the best of the lot in this regard.         RF         Cedar Falls, Iowa      

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Perhaps not so bogus: Walker’s Cay Chronicle is actually shot on film, not video and when processed, film developer actually "burns" the photosensitive emulsion into the film. Imagine that.

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Perhaps your observation about Flip’s intro is valid, but I’d be interested to know if you were ever offered $1800 to guide a day of fishing.  I understand that’s his going rate.  If I got to fish and make that kind of money at the same time, I probably wouldn’t have reservations about being a little hokey myself.

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There is only one place in Guatemala, Iztapa. Pangas go for $300 per day with lunch and drinks, 31′ Bertrams around $800. There are hotels at around $15/ person, but they’re pretty scuzzy. You’re much better off with the best places at around $75 per night, double. You can get there by renting a car, a hired van or a bus, but you’ll waste a whole day by taking the bus. If you want more details call me at 516 668 2019. I can set up everything for you.   Gene Kelly

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I just got back from Guatemala and caught one sail on the fly rod. We caught eight on standard tackle the first day but we had my wifes cousins with us and I didn’t try the light tackle. The second and third days were slower and we had trouble with too many dolphin around. I arrange trips throughout Central America and can help you out. Give me a call at 516 668 2019 and I’ll give you all the details about the cheap way to go as well as the moderate way to go.                                 Gene Kelly

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Looking for any info on opportunities in Guat, particularly Pacific side. Would appreciate any advice, contaacts, starting points etc.

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: Looking for any info on opportunities in Guat, particularly Pacific side. : Would appreciate any advice, contaacts, starting points etc. Ken Johnson at Guatemala Unlimited has all the info and can make the arrangements. Guatemala Unlimited http://members.aol.com/guatemala1/html/guatunl.htm good luck, james

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