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Evolution of the Penn’s Creek Fisherman: 6. sleep, eat, drink, laugh, fish, in no special order….. Remember, it’s evolution, short cuts can be dangerous…….

We like living on the edge.  Danger is our business.  Besides, we ain’t all that sure about all that evolution stuff……and there’s just too damn much to remember!     Wolfgang who sure hopes there ain’t gonna be a quiz.

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We like living on the edge.  Danger is our business.  Besides, we ain’t all that sure about all that evolution stuff……and there’s just too damn much to remember!     Wolfgang who sure hopes there ain’t gonna be a quiz.

Quiz?  I made all of that stuff up…I’m still at Step 1….

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We like living on the edge.  Danger is our business.  Besides, we ain’t all that sure about all that evolution stuff……and there’s just too damn much to remember!     Wolfgang who sure hopes there ain’t gonna be a quiz. Quiz?  I made all of that stuff up…I’m still at Step 1….

Um…..Step 1 sounds a mite strenuous for us geezers.  I believe I’ll stick with step 6. Hey, I know!  While you guys are running up and down the stream for 16 hours I’ll stay behind and guard the beer!  Yeah, that’ll work!       Wolfgang it feels so good to be useful in the golden years.

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Mike,    nice piece……btw, your Marabou Minnows are waiting on my kitchen table.                             Tom p.s. About that "invite a bunch of out-of- towners" step…….

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<g …but, if’n it ain’t a twelve step program, none of my crowd will comply or progress…  i’ll be lookin for you at dawn and dusk or somewhere in mid-upstream hike… but only 16 hours doesn’t leave much time for many niceties, except perhaps your offering me a beer… jeff (in the land of one-step fishing) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Evolution of the Penn’s Creek Fisherman: 1. Catch as many fish as you possibly can, running up and down the creek 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, sucking down some food after dark, dressing the wounds, drying out the soaked clothes, and drinking as fast as you fish, so you can pass out, and wake up early in the morning, to get out for another 16 hours. 2. Catch as many fish as you can pausing for a few minutes to focus on the big fish at dawn, and dusk. Catching lunch in between the nymph water, and the hatch pools, and stay up later talking about how the f$#% the 20+ incher could snub your squirrelly fly presentation, wake a bit later in the morning. 3. Sleep in, wake up to a drool soaked pillow, eat a good breakfast, do some nymphing in the best holes, catch just as many fish as you did in step one in a few hours, eat lunch, drink beer, drink beer, nymph fish in the water you won’t fish the hatch in, stake out the perfect pool, wait for the amazing sequence events to take place (midges, midge spinners, emerging sulphurs, emerging grey fox, sulphur spinners, emerging sulphurs, march brown spinners, emerging sulphurs, while the caddis are there throughout), pick a fly to concentrate on, and wonder how the f$%# that monster brown could refuse your perfect fly presentation. Drink more than your old body can handle, go to beginning of step three. 4. Wake up early, eat breakfast, take a shower, wait for everyone to go upstream to all of the "best" water, fish the real water, drink beer, eat an early lunch, pass everyone going back for lunch, nymph fish, go back for early dinner, drink beer, wait for everyone to go back to the stream, go fishing on one of the other local streams, fly up over the mountain, take a couple shots, wait for someone from step one to leave the best hole, fish the hatch, throw the spinner over that one huge fish with some half assed cast, hook-it, fight it, breaks you off three feet from ya, drink tequila, take a day off the schedule, go to the beginning of step four. 5. Invite a bunch of out-of towners, teach’em step one, go to step four, somewhere around nymph fishing or dinner (taking care not to skip the beer, and shots). Enjoy everyone flying up and down the stream, throw an attractor fly out there on 2x tippet at dark, sleigh the dragon, 6. sleep, eat, drink, laugh, fish, in no special order….. Remember, it’s evolution, short cuts can be dangerous……. The Finn By the way, step one is the most fun…..

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Mike,    nice piece……btw, your Marabou Minnows are waiting on my kitchen table.                             Tom p.s. About that "invite a bunch of out-of- towners" step…….

Hey, since I was one of those out of towners last year, can I move up? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply. .

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Hey, I know!  While you guys are running up and down the stream for 16 hours I’ll stay behind and guard the beer!  Yeah, that’ll work!       Wolfgang it feels so good to be useful in the golden years.

A step 7!!!

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p.s. About that "invite a bunch of out-of- towners" step……. Hey, since I was one of those out of towners last year, can I move up? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

You already did, although I had to practically drag you upstream myself…..in the midst of trying to locate some C4 to combat your arsenal (watch out for those underwater trip wires), but "can’t we all just get along?" The Finn

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Hey, I know!  While you guys are running up and down the stream for 16 hours I’ll stay behind and guard the beer!  Yeah, that’ll work!       Wolfgang it feels so good to be useful in the golden years. A step 7!!!

See, that’s what I’m talking about….there’s ALWAYS another step….it’s like trying to keep up with Miller.  :( Wolfgang is it nap time yet?

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"can’t we all just get along?"

Works for me. Wolfgang

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Well, I hope to be more mobile this year.  The doc is thinking about using Botox on my back.  Oh, by the way, got a real wading staff now, and hopefully won’t loose it. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, I know!  While you guys are running up and down the stream for 16 hours I’ll stay behind and guard the beer!  Yeah, that’ll work!       Wolfgang it feels so good to be useful in the golden years. A step 7!!! See, that’s what I’m talking about….there’s ALWAYS another step….it’s like trying to keep up with Miller.  :( Wolfgang is it nap time yet?

It’s the last step you want to avoid…. The BIG nap. Willi

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is it nap time yet? It’s the last step you want to avoid…. The BIG nap.

While postponement is allowed, avoidance simply isn’t tolerated in these parts. Wolfgang one MUST observe the social niceties!      :)

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It’s the last step you want to avoid…. The BIG nap. While postponement is allowed, avoidance simply isn’t tolerated in these parts.

You obviously haven’t read the latest in magnetic immortality theory. http://www.alexchiu.com/ — Ken Fortenberry

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It’s the last step you want to avoid…. The BIG nap. While postponement is allowed, avoidance simply isn’t tolerated in these parts. You obviously haven’t read the latest in magnetic immortality theory. http://www.alexchiu.com/

O.K., sure, but what’s it really worth when breast enhancement schemes don’t wor….um…..never mind.     Wolfgang

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Evolution of the Penn’s Creek Fisherman: 1. Catch as many fish as you possibly can, running up and down the creek 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, sucking down some food after dark, dressing the wounds, drying out the soaked clothes, and drinking as fast as you fish, so you can pass out, and wake up early in the morning, to get out for another 16 hours. 2. Catch as many fish as you can pausing for a few minutes to focus on the big fish at dawn, and dusk. Catching lunch in between the nymph water, and the hatch pools, and stay up later talking about how the f$#% the 20+ incher could snub your squirrelly fly presentation, wake a bit later in the morning. 3. Sleep in, wake up to a drool soaked pillow, eat a good breakfast, do some nymphing in the best holes, catch just as many fish as you did in step one in a few hours, eat lunch, drink beer, drink beer, nymph fish in the water you won’t fish the hatch in, stake out the perfect pool, wait for the amazing sequence events to take place (midges, midge spinners, emerging sulphurs, emerging grey fox, sulphur spinners, emerging sulphurs, march brown spinners, emerging sulphurs, while the caddis are there throughout), pick a fly to concentrate on, and wonder how the f$%# that monster brown could refuse your perfect fly presentation. Drink more than your old body can handle, go to beginning of step three. 4. Wake up early, eat breakfast, take a shower, wait for everyone to go upstream to all of the "best" water, fish the real water, drink beer, eat an early lunch, pass everyone going back for lunch, nymph fish, go back for early dinner, drink beer, wait for everyone to go back to the stream, go fishing on one of the other local streams, fly up over the mountain, take a couple shots, wait for someone from step one to leave the best hole, fish the hatch, throw the spinner over that one huge fish with some half assed cast, hook-it, fight it, breaks you off three feet from ya, drink tequila, take a day off the schedule, go to the beginning of step four. 5. Invite a bunch of out-of towners, teach’em step one, go to step four, somewhere around nymph fishing or dinner (taking care not to skip the beer, and shots). Enjoy everyone flying up and down the stream, throw an attractor fly out there on 2x tippet at dark, sleigh the dragon, 6. sleep, eat, drink, laugh, fish, in no special order….. Remember, it’s evolution, short cuts can be dangerous……. The Finn By the way, step one is the most fun…..

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – is it nap time yet? It’s the last step you want to avoid…. The BIG nap. While postponement is allowed, avoidance simply isn’t tolerated in these parts. Avoidance is a commonly used tactic by me. It works well in lots of situations. Ya think I may need to rethink that strategy on this one?

Nah, go for it.  Keep us posted on how it works out. Wolfgang eagerly awaiting the first installment at penn’s.      :)

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<SNIP You obviously haven’t read the latest in magnetic immortality theory. http://www.alexchiu.com/

TL MC

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is it nap time yet? It’s the last step you want to avoid…. The BIG nap. While postponement is allowed, avoidance simply isn’t tolerated in these parts.

Avoidance is a commonly used tactic by me. It works well in lots of situations. Ya think I may need to rethink that strategy on this one? Willi

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That’s right you stupid, inbred,

Get a life. — Andrea

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Welcome to ROFF. You’ll fit right in. Have you met George? Of course you have being God and all that…

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I’m afraid Adam is wrong!  Ken Fortenberry is my GOD! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s right you stupid, inbred, Get a life. — Andrea

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Oooh! Another troll-b-q! First, a minute’s silence. And I think the food should be truly international this time around. One Vegetarian Malaysian curry which has 1 can of Malaysian Curry sauce Boiled potatoe cubes which you cook in the sauce then add just before serving: chopped tomatoes chopped cucumber chopped banana On a bed of steaming Jasmine rice. Yummy (and very easy) Yowie — RPCA e-list: catslaves-subscribe (at) yahoogroups (dot) com RPCA FAQ: http://www.angelfire.com/mt/yowie/catfaq.htm

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I have some celery  I’ll toss that in… hey !  You know that old story about stone soup?  Let’s make troll soup this time.. please can we please please????

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! First, a minute’s silence. And I think the food should be truly international this time around. One Vegetarian Malaysian curry which has 1 can of Malaysian Curry sauce Boiled potatoe cubes which you cook in the sauce then add just before serving: chopped tomatoes chopped cucumber chopped banana On a bed of steaming Jasmine rice. Yummy (and very easy)

Oh, vegetarian food. Great! I was planning to make a mushroom sauce today. It goes well with both veggies and with meat. And fish. <shudder It is mushroom season here in Finland. — Marina

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Oooh! Another troll-b-q!

You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One)

Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe.  :-)

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Oooh! Another troll-b-q!

I went to an Indian restaurant last night, and had an unusual and very delicious appetizer. It was a salad consisting of: (equal parts) Diced cooked potatoes Diced raw cucumber Diced bananas Diced peaches Diced apples Diced mangoes Dressed with a sweet-and-sour salad dressing, salt and pepper, and a pinch of cayenne to add a bit of spice. It was yummy.

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\Welcome to ROFF. You’ll fit right in.\ hahahahahhahahahaha. Thanks for the much needed laugh. -Muskie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message Oooh! Another troll-b-q! You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One) Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe.

Okay, I know but I really like red onions.  Can I substitute rubber bands for them?  Please tell me I don’t have to resort to tofu!!!  I don’t like tofu. Dusty

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Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe. Okay, I know but I really like red onions.  Can I substitute rubber bands for them?  Please tell me I don’t have to resort to tofu!!!  I don’t like tofu. Dusty

Dear Dusty: Maybe you could ask your mom to get you some calamari rings – if you cook them long enough they are just like rubber bands, but easier to digest.  :-)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! I went to an Indian restaurant last night, and had an unusual and very delicious appetizer. It was a salad consisting of: (equal parts) Diced cooked potatoes Diced raw cucumber Diced bananas Diced peaches Diced apples Diced mangoes Dressed with a sweet-and-sour salad dressing, salt and pepper, and a pinch of cayenne to add a bit of spice. It was yummy.

That DOES sound good. When you say sweet and sour dressing, does that taste like the standard Seczhaun (sp?) sweet and sour or something else? Karen

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I have some celery  I’ll toss that in… hey !  You know that old story about stone soup?  Let’s make troll soup this time.. please can we please please????

Stoned troll soup! I’ll put in some soup bones to give it flavor and some zucchini to mellow the nastiness of the troll. And after all the veggies have been added, I like to throw in a handful of brown rice and finish off with a few noodles. Sprinkle with fresh parsley and Parmesan and serve with garlic toast. Yummm. CATherine

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message Oooh! Another troll-b-q! You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One) Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe. Okay, I know but I really like red onions.  Can I substitute rubber bands for them?  Please tell me I don’t have to resort to tofu!!!  I don’t like tofu.

Jellyfish is a good substitute for rubber bands.  Or at least that’s what I thought when I had it in a restaurant once.  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I went to an Indian restaurant last night, and had an unusual and very delicious appetizer. It was a salad consisting of: (equal parts) Diced cooked potatoes Diced raw cucumber Diced bananas Diced peaches Diced apples Diced mangoes Dressed with a sweet-and-sour salad dressing, salt and pepper, and a pinch of cayenne to add a bit of spice. It was yummy. That DOES sound good. When you say sweet and sour dressing, does that taste like the standard Seczhaun (sp?) sweet and sour or something else?

If I had to guess, I’d say the dressing was made with sweetened rice vinegar and oil, with just a touch of a citrus juice, lemon or lime.  Hard to say for sure though.  It definitely had a vinegary taste but was also sweet.

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So,how’s the fishing been in heaven then? — Gary My God can beat up your God.

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I have some celery  I’ll toss that in… hey !  You know that old story about stone soup?  Let’s make troll soup this time.. please can we please please????

Trouble is, the stone doesn’t shed bits of flesh, the troll does!  (And we certainly don’t want to EAT anything it’s been cooking in, do we?)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! First, a minute’s silence. And I think the food should be truly international this time around. One Vegetarian Malaysian curry which has 1 can of Malaysian Curry sauce Boiled potatoe cubes which you cook in the sauce then add just before serving: chopped tomatoes chopped cucumber chopped banana On a bed of steaming Jasmine rice. Yummy (and very easy) Oh, vegetarian food. Great! I was planning to make a mushroom sauce today. It goes well with both veggies and with meat. And fish. <shudder It is mushroom season here in Finland.

 I *love* mushrooms, raw, cooked, marinaded, stuffed, turned into sauces, part of main dishes, and *especailly* on pizzas. Joel hates the things. Waaaaahhhhhh! Yowie

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 I *love* mushrooms, raw, cooked, marinaded, stuffed, turned into sauces, part of main dishes, and *especailly* on pizzas. Joel hates the things. Waaaaahhhhhh!

Did you ever notice that the old type of fax machine paper smelled like mushrooms?   Blick. TJ  (who was just thinking "did I write that out loud?"  or was it just in my head,  I feel like Homer Simpson)

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I was planning to make a mushroom sauce today. It goes well with both veggies and with meat. And fish. <shudder It is mushroom season here in Finland.  I *love* mushrooms, raw, cooked, marinaded, stuffed, turned into sauces, part of main dishes, and *especailly* on pizzas. Joel hates the things. Waaaaahhhhhh!

As a kid, I used to hate mushrooms, and as luck would have it, I have a Mum who is mad about them. Each Autumn, she goes a-gathering heaps of them in the forest. I would dread our meals in Autumn, because I knew Mum would hide mushrooms in *everything*! In meatloafs, meatballs, sauces, salads, everywhere. Then she would watch me to see if I noticed. Well, of course I did, obnoxious teenager as I was. I had to grow out of being an obnoxious teenager before I could really *taste* mushrooms, and realise that I actually like them. — Marina

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We then played a game of chase me with the bull. We then took turns distracting the bull while the other one retrieved pieces of our gear. After numerous trips and more chases, we had assembled everything we had brought and headed home.

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that is a great story……thanks. reminds me of the time we backpacked near the susquehanna river close to a railroad track. At about 2 am a train came up the valley  and I jumped up out of the sleeping bag. I was sure that our tent was right on the tracks. It wasnt funny then but I sure do laugh about it now. -Walter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ken’s trashing of the fishing in central Illinois and another thread that discussed setting up camp in the dark brought back a memory of a trip I made with a fishing buddy named John when I was in college. After classes one Friday in Spring, we took off for the weekend to fish a couple of feeder creeks.  The Smallmouths had moved into these small stream from the larger rivers to spawn earlier in the year. Some had stayed on to feed on the Chubs that also used the streams for breeding. These small creeks ranged from ten to twenty feet in width and wound their way through farmers’ fields of soybeans, cattle and corn.  Most farmers left stands of trees bordering the creeks. Being the only wooded stands amidst miles of farmers’ crops, these small pockets of nature drew the wildlife. Deer, raccoons, opossums, muskrats, rabbits, pheasants, ducks, hawks and a wide range of songbirds kept us company. In the Spring, the creeks generally held some color but they were clear enough to see several feet into the water and were easy, pleasant wading.  Some of them were spring creeks or at least, spring-like with their flows running through layers of fragmented limestone. They held some disproportionately large fish for such small bodies of water. During the day we caught Smallmouths, Chubs, Rockbass and other assorted panfish, Catfish and an occasional Carp on the tiny lures we tossed with our ultra light gear. But in the evening and early mornings, the bigger Smallmouths, up to four pounds, would smash the weird balsa wood poppers we concocted that we flung at them with our fly rods. John felt that the bigger fish were literate and usually painted "EAT ME" on the bottom of his hoping to lure the bigger fish. These bigger, surface feeding Smallmouths were a kick, especially in streams so tiny. We got to the area we wanted to fish and with our backpacks on, we worked our way upstream. I don’t remember the fishing on that day but it must have been pretty good because it was dark when we decided to set up camp.  We ate a dinner of fresh caught fish next to the stream but because of the darkness and the uneven terrain, we couldn’t find a level place to sleep. At the edge of the wooded area, we came to a barbed wire fence that we climb over to look for level ground. We finally found what we felt was a suitable place, unrolled our sleeping bags and called it a night. Numerous times during the night I was awaken by something. Most times, since I heard nothing, I ignored it and went back to sleep. Several times I sat up to look around, but without my contact lenses, I could see nothing in the moonless night. However, I heard some pounding sounds that trailed off from where we slept. After several such episodes, I was very spooked.  I finally decided to wake up John to see if he had heard anything, but since he slept like a dead man, he had heard nothing, called me an idiot, and told me to leave him alone and go back to sleep. After a very disruptive sleep, I awoke again at dawn and when I looked around, I saw a herd of cows standing in a circle around us. When I sat up, they ran off with pounding hooves. I yelled at John to wake up. We talked about our invasion of the cow’s territory and had a good laugh. We got dressed and when we went to pick up our sleeping bags, we found them encrusted with slimy, green cow shit.  John’s had just one small spot, but my blue bag looked like it had been painted green because of the acrobats I had performed during my fitful night. John gave me some more "shit" as we assembled our gear. Holding the sleeping bags in our arms, we spotted an unusually large "cow" standing alone, about fifty feet across the field who was staring at us with a lowered head. The "cow" then charged us. Dropping our gear, I went one way, John another. The bull chose me to chase but luckily I was close to the fence and got through before the bull reached me. The bull then went after John. John made it to the fence before the bull but as he was making his way through, his shirt got stuck on a barb and the bull ended up giving him a final, not too gentle, nudge through the fence. We then played a game of chase me with the bull. We then took turns distracting the bull while the other one retrieved pieces of our gear. After numerous trips and more chases, we had assembled everything we had brought and headed home. Willi

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Nice one Willi, that is how I prefer my bullshit ! TL MC — "Where fishing is concerned, most anglers are basically manic excessives" http://www.mikeconnor.de Ken’s trashing of the fishing in central Illinois and another thread that discussed setting up camp in the dark brought back a memory of a trip I made with a fishing buddy named John when I was in college.

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[nice story snipped] your story calls to mind a day when I was fishing a small trout river near where I live last season. Most of the river runs through heavily wooded country but on one section it runs through a couple of acres of pasture. It was on this section where the casting is easier that I was fishing from the shallows, intently absorbed on getting my Greenwells to drift in a convincing fashion past what appeared to be a reasonable sized brownie that was rising every couple of minutes.  I must have been there about 10 minutes or so when I heard a low snuffle type sound and then got that hairs rising on the back of the neck feeling that I was being watched.   I turned around and standing all around me in a tight semi-circle no more than twenty feet away were about 30 or more bullocks and heifers all staring intently at me like they were fascinated by what I was doing. how they had snuck up on me without my hearing and how I had managed to avoid hooking one on the backcast I don’t know. They weren’t doing me any harm, but I discovered its just as off- putting being closely and silently observed by cattle as it is by people.  Each time I waded a bit further upstream my bovine gallery moved along with me.  Ordering them to fuck off and waving my rod at them produced no more than a bit of foot shuffling and guilty looks on their part.  Eventually had to give it up and head for the woods, where the solitude more than compensated for the snagged bushes and trees. traprain

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They weren’t doing me any harm, but I discovered its just as off- putting being closely and silently observed by cattle as it is by people.  Each time I waded a bit further upstream my bovine gallery moved along with me.  Ordering them to fuck off and waving my rod at them produced no more than a bit of foot shuffling and guilty looks on their part.  Eventually had to give it up and head for the woods, where the solitude more than compensated for the snagged bushes and trees. traprain

Hey Trapain,  I get the curious cows   in the meadows  too.  They frightened me as a 9 year old,  but since then I learned that they are just scared/inquisitive of you.    Sounds like you and I fish similar rivers too; wooded sections and then relatively open meadow.  My biggest foe on the river is the pesky flies that persist the open areas in July and August. The little sods fly in your face when you are trying hard to concentrate, etc.  When moving into the wooded sections,  I find a blissful escape,  as the flies don’t seem to plague these areas.

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Ken’s trashing of the fishing in central Illinois and another thread that discussed setting up camp in the dark brought back a memory of a trip I made with a fishing buddy named John when I was in college. After classes one Friday in Spring, we took off for the weekend to fish a couple of feeder creeks.  The Smallmouths had moved into these small stream from the larger rivers to spawn earlier in the year. Some had stayed on to feed on the Chubs that also used the streams for breeding. These small creeks ranged from ten to twenty feet in width and wound their way through farmers’ fields of soybeans, cattle and corn.  Most farmers left stands of trees bordering the creeks. Being the only wooded stands amidst miles of farmers’ crops, these small pockets of nature drew the wildlife. Deer, raccoons, opossums, muskrats, rabbits, pheasants, ducks, hawks and a wide range of songbirds kept us company. In the Spring, the creeks generally held some color but they were clear enough to see several feet into the water and were easy, pleasant wading.  Some of them were spring creeks or at least, spring-like with their flows running through layers of fragmented limestone. They held some disproportionately large fish for such small bodies of water. During the day we caught Smallmouths, Chubs, Rockbass and other assorted panfish, Catfish and an occasional Carp on the tiny lures we tossed with our ultra light gear. But in the evening and early mornings, the bigger Smallmouths, up to four pounds, would smash the weird balsa wood poppers we concocted that we flung at them with our fly rods. John felt that the bigger fish were literate and usually painted "EAT ME" on the bottom of his hoping to lure the bigger fish. These bigger, surface feeding Smallmouths were a kick, especially in streams so tiny. We got to the area we wanted to fish and with our backpacks on, we worked our way upstream. I don’t remember the fishing on that day but it must have been pretty good because it was dark when we decided to set up camp.  We ate a dinner of fresh caught fish next to the stream but because of the darkness and the uneven terrain, we couldn’t find a level place to sleep. At the edge of the wooded area, we came to a barbed wire fence that we climb over to look for level ground. We finally found what we felt was a suitable place, unrolled our sleeping bags and called it a night. Numerous times during the night I was awaken by something. Most times, since I heard nothing, I ignored it and went back to sleep. Several times I sat up to look around, but without my contact lenses, I could see nothing in the moonless night. However, I heard some pounding sounds that trailed off from where we slept. After several such episodes, I was very spooked.  I finally decided to wake up John to see if he had heard anything, but since he slept like a dead man, he had heard nothing, called me an idiot, and told me to leave him alone and go back to sleep. After a very disruptive sleep, I awoke again at dawn and when I looked around, I saw a herd of cows standing in a circle around us. When I sat up, they ran off with pounding hooves. I yelled at John to wake up. We talked about our invasion of the cow’s territory and had a good laugh. We got dressed and when we went to pick up our sleeping bags, we found them encrusted with slimy, green cow shit.  John’s had just one small spot, but my blue bag looked like it had been painted green because of the acrobats I had performed during my fitful night. John gave me some more "shit" as we assembled our gear. Holding the sleeping bags in our arms, we spotted an unusually large "cow" standing alone, about fifty feet across the field who was staring at us with a lowered head. The "cow" then charged us. Dropping our gear, I went one way, John another. The bull chose me to chase but luckily I was close to the fence and got through before the bull reached me. The bull then went after John. John made it to the fence before the bull but as he was making his way through, his shirt got stuck on a barb and the bull ended up giving him a final, not too gentle, nudge through the fence. We then played a game of chase me with the bull. We then took turns distracting the bull while the other one retrieved pieces of our gear. After numerous trips and more chases, we had assembled everything we had brought and headed home.   Willi

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And then I got it. Sorry long day in the sun without any fish…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You what? Yes, well, I bet you don

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Has anyone fished the San Juan river in mid October? How was it ? Was the weather good? Where did you stay and would you recommend it? Thanks in advance for any  information.

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I’ve been there a couple of times in October. I like to stay at Abe’s. The weather is unpredictable in October. One time it was in the 70’s and beautiful. The other time it rained two days and snowed the other two. Neither should keep you from fishing.

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Hey Tree Skier (great handle, just make sure you baseball cap is on backwards so you don’t hit any branches). October is one of the best months to fish the san juan.  There are a couple of other threads discussing our upcoming trip there in december. Hate to sound like a broken record, but go to http://www.ifly4trout.com and read everything.  it has basically everything you need to know. bruce h Before you buy.

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Try the new Magellan 320 Fisherman. It is handheld, and has all the buoys, lights, and fixed navaids. It is great for a small boat that stays near the coast, and is very reasonable in price. I fish a lot, and use it as a back up on my big boat and just use it alone on my 16 foot and 14 foot boats. — Red Rider (J-V-B Triangle) We Shoot For Accuracy "I may have a bad memory, but I have over 39 years of diaries, log books and notes". If it doesn’t work I’ll apply more force. Of course I support "Freedom of Speech". I also support my right not to pay attention to fools.

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I like my Garmin "Map" hand held. its totally waterproof, has charts,its the newest gagjit from Garmin. i can only go up to color now but there $1300 bucks too my unit was $309 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am interested in getting a GPS.  I fly fish the coastal waters around Cape Cod from a small boat.  There a many different models available.  I would be interested in suggestions about how to think about this and any specific recommendations people have. Thank you

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I am interested in getting a GPS.  I fly fish the coastal waters around Cape Cod from a small boat.  There a many different models available.  I would be interested in suggestions about how to think about this and any specific recommendations people have. Thank you

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I am interested in getting a GPS.  I fly fish the coastal waters around Cape Cod from a small boat.  There a many different models available.  I would be interested in suggestions about how to think about this and any specific recommendations people have.

Garmin works for me I currently have the Garmin GPSMAP 230. I have had 2 other Garmins previously. The map chips are great cannot get lost as long as system is operational. 118 days to go..

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Looking to fly fish in the Smokies the end of May.  Any input or suggestions would be appreciated.  TIA. Bruce —

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Thanks for the reply.  Big Cr. and Cataloochee. We are tent campers and realize the areas may be busy.  Any input is appreciated. Joyce and Bruce — FRIENDSHIP True friendship comes when silence between two friends is comfortable.

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I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana. What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all.

I got a bucks bronco.  Reasons why: a. Stainless steel frame b. adjustable foot pegs (especially important if you are going to run moving water or are taller or shorter than the mythical "average") Things I don’t like: a. LOTS of places for your line to snag, especially when casting across your body (which you will do if you use it on a lake in the wind and don’t anchor) New developments: a. They just came out with a 10 foot pontoon. I wasn’t overly impressed with the "all metal back deck" available on some of the boats on the market.  Other than that There aren’t many "features" that vary between boats.  Most are rocker designs, have a seat, oarlocks, and a stripping apron.

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I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana.   (Bitteroot, Blackfoot, Clark Fork).  There is some sizable water here and I’m looking for advice from someone experienced with the small craft.  I’m looking for a pontoon style, but curious to know what is best…8′, 9′, or bigger.  What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all. Thanks, Tom

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I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana. What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all.

I’ve used the Bucks Bronco and like the newer models a lot.  I own a JW Outfitters Voyager and it is one tough boat that can handle Class III water with ease.

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I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana. (Bitteroot, Blackfoot, Clark Fork).  There is some sizable water here and I’m looking for advice from someone experienced with the small craft.  I’m looking for a pontoon style, but curious to know what is best…8′, 9′, or bigger.  What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all. Thanks, Tom

Tom: I also have a Buck’s Bronco and also bought it partly because of the stainless frame.  My *only* minor complaint is the ratchet mechanism for the anchor.  Either mine doesn’t operate correctly or I’ve never figured out how to use it right.  It really doesn’t drop the anchor very easily. Other than that, I love the thing.  I’ve used it on streams here in Utah as well as Idaho & Wyoming and it’s great.  It has 8′ pontoons and I’ve had it on the Green, the Snake, and the South Fork, all pretty good-sized streams. I always wear a life vest, partly because I’m still not that experienced a boatman.  My dream is to take it on a camping float in Alaska. Good storage capacity, easy to inflate & deflate, sturdy and well-built.  If I deflate it about 3/4 of the way, it will slide fully-assembled right in the back of my SUV so carrying it is a breeze.  It really doesn’t even take long at all to figure out the rowing/kicking/maneuvering. I would say that you will occasionally find yourself pointed a different direction from where you want to cast (I do, anyway), but that can be part of the fun. Bob Bob

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Look into the Outcast PAC line. The 8′ and 10′ are great. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana.   (Bitteroot, Blackfoot, Clark Fork).  There is some sizable water here and I’m looking for advice from someone experienced with the small craft.  I’m looking for a pontoon style, but curious to know what is best…8′, 9′, or bigger.  What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all. Thanks, Tom

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I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana.   (Bitteroot, Blackfoot, Clark Fork).  There is some sizable water here and I’m looking for advice from someone experienced with the small craft.  I’m looking for a pontoon style, but curious to know what is best…8′, 9′, or bigger.  What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all. Thanks, Tom

Tom:  I’ve used the Buck’s Bag Bronco and Southfork models on the Clark Fork and Bitteroot, and they have been great, although other brands no doubt will to the job.  They have 7ft pontoons, I think (haven’t measured).  Have taken them through some pretty rough water as well. Never felt the need for an anchor or a stripping apron, although the rear deck is perfect for a cooler.  Have fun – you will love it. Mark Faulkner

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I,m interested in purchasing a kickboat for fly fishing the rivers of western Montana. What are features you can’t live without and what are the features that aren’t used or needed at all. I got a bucks bronco.  Reasons why: a. Stainless steel frame b. adjustable foot pegs (especially important if you are going to run moving water or are taller or shorter than the mythical "average") Things I don’t like: a. LOTS of places for your line to snag, especially when casting across your body (which you will do if you use it on a lake in the wind and don’t anchor) New developments: a. They just came out with a 10 foot pontoon. I wasn’t overly impressed with the "all metal back deck" available on some of the boats on the market.  Other than that There aren’t many "features" that vary between boats.  Most are rocker designs, have a seat, oarlocks, and a stripping apron.

I have a Yukon 2, by Leigh outdoor, and I work there as a part time job.  All of Leighs pontoon boats are made out of aluminum. (no rust) They tend to not be as heavy and are very strong.  We had a guy who came in who wanted one to run white water, he said he liked to fish on the side.  He ran it on the portion of the Snake below Jackson, and loved it.  I guess he ran that stretch 4 times in one day with it.  When he came back in he said that he tried to tip it over on "lunchcounter" or whichever one where the river narrows and is forced between two rock outcroppings. (its really big)  I guess he tried to go through side ways and front ways but to no avail so on the last try he through all of his weight backward and practically stood up on the foot pegs to get it to go over.  He claims he never had so much fun in his life.  It is a very sturdy boat.  Leigh makes a 10 footer for long trips as well.  It is the "gallatin".  The Yukon’s and Green river models are good for up to 3 day trips if you pack right. and are just fine for the 3 or 4 hour trip as well.  They pack down into a space of about 2 1/2 feet by 3 1/2 feet.  You can easily transport 2 in the trunk of a small car.  The unique thing is that the pontoons have a heavy inner tube in them.  (like a truck tube)  and are very durable.  All models have adjustable foot pegs that allows both big and small to be comfortable.  All the paint is powder coated on.   Not to bash other manufacturers but we have had so many calls about a certain manufacturers frames rusting out that our product designer at one time was thinking of making a frame that would fit on the competitors pontoons, but has since decided against doing so.  You don’t want a frame that has the potential to rust on you. Leigh frames carry a lifetime warrenty and are the only Coast Guard Certified pontoon boat that I know of.  They have many models to choose from and all the extra’s you can imagine.  Just find one that suited most to your needs.  If there is ever a problem you can call them and they will go to great lengths to see that you are pleased. When there is a problem and you have an upcomming trip, if they can’t fix it in time they will send you a loaner boat to get you through, until they can get your boat fixed up. Of course I’m not prejudice, I just work there.   They have a site but not all of their boats are listed, but you can call them and they will send you a catalog or tell you where the nearest supplier is or you can E-mail me and I’ll make sure you get a catalog. or http://www.b-mktg.com/leighhp/leighhp.htm or Leigh Outdoor Products 62 S. 950 W.  Brigham City UT 84302 1-435-734-0750 I hope you find the best boat for you. Shaun

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Todd,     Visit Kaufmanns in Tigard try some parking lot casting and get a catalog. You might consider one of their schools.  The Anglers Club of Portland meets at the East Bank Saloon on the 2nd thursday of every month…not a bad place to start meeting people.  Members include many local and some national fishing luminaries.  I think Jim Shollmeyer, local guide, much published photographer and author will be speaker.                             Mike in PDX                "When the trout are lost, smash the state."                                            Tom McGuane

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FWIW, on the Portland aspect of this thread there are lots of f.f. videos in the Multnomah County Library system; my college roommate learned to cast from the ones he checked out at the brach near us (I can’t remember the name, how sad…  Capitol Hill?  near PCC-Sylvania).  I expect the main library would have a listing of titles.  There are even fish in Johnson Creek in Milwaukie if you have a free evening– don’t know if I’d keep them to eat, but fun to chase if you don’t have time to leave town.   Also lots of toxic bass/panfish in the Columbia slough and some of the little lakes on Sauvie’s Island. Enjoy- — Derek R. Larson           Indiana University        Dept. of History                 "Nothing interesting occurred today…"         -Meriwether Lewis at Ft. Clatsop, Oregon, Jan.4th, 1806

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Fujinaka) writes: Do I take a class?

The short answer is yes.  It will save you years of trial and error and frustration.  It will also save you from spending lots of time correcting bad habits that you developed on your own.  I would recommend that you get instruction from a FFF Certified Fly Casting Instructor, or get references from from former students of a non-certified instructor.  Fly fishing clubs can be a good source for instruction though quality of instruction can be erratic. Do I watch a video?

 I would recommend a few:  "The Essence of Fly Casting (vol.1)"  by Mel Krieger. IMHO the best casting video so far.  Has little fishing info in it but a great treatise on casting.  "Skills of Fly Fishing" by Gary Borger. Gives lots of great info on equipment, knots, fishing a dry, nymph and streamer fly, all about water types, etc.   The weak point in this video is the casting, get the Krieger video for that.  Another good one that has been around for quite a while is "Anatomy of a Trout Stream" by Rick Haefle.  Even though he squints into the sun while he’s talking to you, the info is very good. Do I go to the expensive store in downtown Portland and let them have their way with me?

Depends on how they treat newbies.  If they realize your value to them as a long term customer, they will get you the best bang for your buck.  If not, they will try to sell you the moon.  Ask around about the reputation of the shop.  There are plenty in your area if the downtown one doesn’t work out.  It’s been about 8 years since I lived in your area, but I used to do business with "Stewart’s Custom Tackle" on Halsey out by Wood Village and "The Fly Shop" in Welches (near the junction of the Salmon River and the Sandy).  Both were reputable and helpful shops.  Ask around.   Mail order from Kaufmann’s in Tigard is safe as they will take back anything you order but don’t like when it arrives.                                                       Hope this helps,                                                                    Dan

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Sounds like a candidate for the most up to date fly fishing instruction you can own, Fly Fishing the McCloud River, the computer game sold at Orvis SF and other fine fly shops.  I think it is great. Right Dan!

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I’d like to know how to get started, and I can’t find a FAQ. I’ve WATCHED a lot of people fish, especially in Japan and I’ve always wanted to learn how to fly fish. Do I take a class? Do I watch a video? Do I go to the expensive store in downtown Portland and let them have their way with me? Even more regionally, I’m in NW Portland, away from the East County stores. Maybe I should mail order? Help! So far I’ve read two short stories by Hemmingway and half of _The Orvis Fly-Fishing Guide_. Oh, and _A River Runs Through It_. And I spent several hours standing in a the John Day near Monument, OR watching a friend fish the John Day (I caught a watch, but that’s another story). Thanks for any help! — Home is where you wear your hat.

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What do you folks out there make of this: A couple of weeks ago I went fishing on a blue ribbon stream that is notoriously difficult to catch fish on. On said stream there are two productive holes that are about 50 yards apart.  On different occasions I have caught fish out of either hole but never very many, although some were good sized.  The last time I went there I was in the upper hole and another guy was in the lower. I looked down and saw him catching huge fish on almost every cast. Now I am a pretty good fishman and have a good idea about what I’m doing but I wasn’t even gettting any bites.  Finally I got frustrated watching this guy catch fish after fish so I went and asked him what he was using.  He told me and I tied an identical fly and setup on my line. I didn’t get even a bit the rest of the day.  I was so pissed at myself that I just about threw my pole in the water.  Has anybody else had something like this happen?  

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: What do you folks out there make of this: : I didn’t get even a bit the rest of the day.  I was so pissed at : myself that I just about threw my pole in the water.  Has anybody else : had something like this happen?   Was it a good pole?  Where is this hole? Seriously, though, I beleive that the action you give the fly is far more important than the pattern.  I’m beginning to believe that this is even truer for wet flies and nymphs than for drys.  What were you using? — Laboratory for Applied Logic    Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho             www: http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster

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