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Hey all, Just a quick question on the use of the float and fly.  How many of you guys use it, and how have you done?  I just bought a new rod and reel strictly for Float and Fly fishing.  I tie all my own float and fly jigs using Fox hair and Daiichi hooks.  I stick with 1/32 and 1/16 ounce.  So far I have caught a bunch of smallies and about a 6.5lb Channel cat, and of course (if you live on the Winnebago system) some sheepshead. Just thought I would "fish" for comments on the float and fly. Take care all and tight lines, Chris Rennert Oshkosh, WI

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I use it some in cold water, but not a tremendous amount. I’ve caught some nice fish with it — mostly smallies. Never anything huge though. Charlie Nuckols — the man credited with popularizing the technique, if not actually devising it — was a great friend of mine, and a truly awesome smallmouth fisherman. He preached the float ‘n’ fly gospel to me, so I learned it from the best. But I never had the knack for it that he showed. I just bought a new rod and reel strictly for Float and Fly fishing.

9 footer? RichZ

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That’s right you stupid, inbred,

Get a life. — Andrea

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Welcome to ROFF. You’ll fit right in. Have you met George? Of course you have being God and all that…

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I’m afraid Adam is wrong!  Ken Fortenberry is my GOD! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s right you stupid, inbred, Get a life. — Andrea

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Oooh! Another troll-b-q! First, a minute’s silence. And I think the food should be truly international this time around. One Vegetarian Malaysian curry which has 1 can of Malaysian Curry sauce Boiled potatoe cubes which you cook in the sauce then add just before serving: chopped tomatoes chopped cucumber chopped banana On a bed of steaming Jasmine rice. Yummy (and very easy) Yowie — RPCA e-list: catslaves-subscribe (at) yahoogroups (dot) com RPCA FAQ: http://www.angelfire.com/mt/yowie/catfaq.htm

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I have some celery  I’ll toss that in… hey !  You know that old story about stone soup?  Let’s make troll soup this time.. please can we please please????

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! First, a minute’s silence. And I think the food should be truly international this time around. One Vegetarian Malaysian curry which has 1 can of Malaysian Curry sauce Boiled potatoe cubes which you cook in the sauce then add just before serving: chopped tomatoes chopped cucumber chopped banana On a bed of steaming Jasmine rice. Yummy (and very easy)

Oh, vegetarian food. Great! I was planning to make a mushroom sauce today. It goes well with both veggies and with meat. And fish. <shudder It is mushroom season here in Finland. — Marina

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Oooh! Another troll-b-q!

You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One)

Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe.  :-)

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Oooh! Another troll-b-q!

I went to an Indian restaurant last night, and had an unusual and very delicious appetizer. It was a salad consisting of: (equal parts) Diced cooked potatoes Diced raw cucumber Diced bananas Diced peaches Diced apples Diced mangoes Dressed with a sweet-and-sour salad dressing, salt and pepper, and a pinch of cayenne to add a bit of spice. It was yummy.

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\Welcome to ROFF. You’ll fit right in.\ hahahahahhahahahaha. Thanks for the much needed laugh. -Muskie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message Oooh! Another troll-b-q! You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One) Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe.

Okay, I know but I really like red onions.  Can I substitute rubber bands for them?  Please tell me I don’t have to resort to tofu!!!  I don’t like tofu. Dusty

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Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe. Okay, I know but I really like red onions.  Can I substitute rubber bands for them?  Please tell me I don’t have to resort to tofu!!!  I don’t like tofu. Dusty

Dear Dusty: Maybe you could ask your mom to get you some calamari rings – if you cook them long enough they are just like rubber bands, but easier to digest.  :-)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! I went to an Indian restaurant last night, and had an unusual and very delicious appetizer. It was a salad consisting of: (equal parts) Diced cooked potatoes Diced raw cucumber Diced bananas Diced peaches Diced apples Diced mangoes Dressed with a sweet-and-sour salad dressing, salt and pepper, and a pinch of cayenne to add a bit of spice. It was yummy.

That DOES sound good. When you say sweet and sour dressing, does that taste like the standard Seczhaun (sp?) sweet and sour or something else? Karen

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I have some celery  I’ll toss that in… hey !  You know that old story about stone soup?  Let’s make troll soup this time.. please can we please please????

Stoned troll soup! I’ll put in some soup bones to give it flavor and some zucchini to mellow the nastiness of the troll. And after all the veggies have been added, I like to throw in a handful of brown rice and finish off with a few noodles. Sprinkle with fresh parsley and Parmesan and serve with garlic toast. Yummm. CATherine

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message Oooh! Another troll-b-q! You slaves shouldn’t have all the fun. I would like to bring, on behalf of all of us furry masters, a little dish of my own. Three Blind Mice Stir Fry 3  mice (they don’t have to be blind, it’s just the name of the recipe) 1  red onion cut 1  red and green bell pepper 1  cup of catnip dressing (email me for the recipe) 3 tbs. of vegetable oil (mice cakes optional) Dusty (the Flab-u-lous One) Dear Dusty: Cats should not eat onions.  Please ask your mom to revise her recipe. Okay, I know but I really like red onions.  Can I substitute rubber bands for them?  Please tell me I don’t have to resort to tofu!!!  I don’t like tofu.

Jellyfish is a good substitute for rubber bands.  Or at least that’s what I thought when I had it in a restaurant once.  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I went to an Indian restaurant last night, and had an unusual and very delicious appetizer. It was a salad consisting of: (equal parts) Diced cooked potatoes Diced raw cucumber Diced bananas Diced peaches Diced apples Diced mangoes Dressed with a sweet-and-sour salad dressing, salt and pepper, and a pinch of cayenne to add a bit of spice. It was yummy. That DOES sound good. When you say sweet and sour dressing, does that taste like the standard Seczhaun (sp?) sweet and sour or something else?

If I had to guess, I’d say the dressing was made with sweetened rice vinegar and oil, with just a touch of a citrus juice, lemon or lime.  Hard to say for sure though.  It definitely had a vinegary taste but was also sweet.

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So,how’s the fishing been in heaven then? — Gary My God can beat up your God.

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I have some celery  I’ll toss that in… hey !  You know that old story about stone soup?  Let’s make troll soup this time.. please can we please please????

Trouble is, the stone doesn’t shed bits of flesh, the troll does!  (And we certainly don’t want to EAT anything it’s been cooking in, do we?)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oooh! Another troll-b-q! First, a minute’s silence. And I think the food should be truly international this time around. One Vegetarian Malaysian curry which has 1 can of Malaysian Curry sauce Boiled potatoe cubes which you cook in the sauce then add just before serving: chopped tomatoes chopped cucumber chopped banana On a bed of steaming Jasmine rice. Yummy (and very easy) Oh, vegetarian food. Great! I was planning to make a mushroom sauce today. It goes well with both veggies and with meat. And fish. <shudder It is mushroom season here in Finland.

 I *love* mushrooms, raw, cooked, marinaded, stuffed, turned into sauces, part of main dishes, and *especailly* on pizzas. Joel hates the things. Waaaaahhhhhh! Yowie

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 I *love* mushrooms, raw, cooked, marinaded, stuffed, turned into sauces, part of main dishes, and *especailly* on pizzas. Joel hates the things. Waaaaahhhhhh!

Did you ever notice that the old type of fax machine paper smelled like mushrooms?   Blick. TJ  (who was just thinking "did I write that out loud?"  or was it just in my head,  I feel like Homer Simpson)

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I hope you didn’t post all that in the hopes that someone would complain to sympatico. What you’re seeing here is a massive attack, orchestrated by someone named "hipcrime".  The messages are actually coming from "newsfeed.sovam.com" not sympatico.  The rest of the headers are forged.  Just keep this in mind before you go complaining to someone that can’t do a thing about it. newsfeed.sovam.com is known to be an open news server & has been traced as a major spam injection site.  The chances of it being taken out are slim to none.  The best thing you can do is either killfile or ignore.  You can also ask your news provider to block messages coming from sovam.com.  Whatever you do, don’t continue to reply or crosspost (yes, I know I am).  Just forget it. For more info, check out alt.config or news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.  And, fwiw, these posts *are* not coming from Adam Kerman.  Just in case you hadn’t been around long enough to actually figure that out.

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I was planning to make a mushroom sauce today. It goes well with both veggies and with meat. And fish. <shudder It is mushroom season here in Finland.  I *love* mushrooms, raw, cooked, marinaded, stuffed, turned into sauces, part of main dishes, and *especailly* on pizzas. Joel hates the things. Waaaaahhhhhh!

As a kid, I used to hate mushrooms, and as luck would have it, I have a Mum who is mad about them. Each Autumn, she goes a-gathering heaps of them in the forest. I would dread our meals in Autumn, because I knew Mum would hide mushrooms in *everything*! In meatloafs, meatballs, sauces, salads, everywhere. Then she would watch me to see if I noticed. Well, of course I did, obnoxious teenager as I was. I had to grow out of being an obnoxious teenager before I could really *taste* mushrooms, and realise that I actually like them. — Marina

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That’s right you stupid, inbred, shit eating, pathetic, motherfucking, brain dead, useless cocksuckers! I’m taking over all of Usenet! There isn’t a fucking thing you can do about it either! You’re all a bunch of worthless scumbags, and now you will all answer to me! If you don’t like this fact TOO FUCKING BAD! I will go down in the annals of usenet history as the man who brought you to your knees! Now get down on your knees and pay proper tribute to my glorious self! I AM ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! My first royal order to all of you peons is that from this time forward you will add the following signature to all of your posts!    ***** This was posted with the express permission of *****    ** HIS HIGHNESS ADAM H KERMAN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** This will be appended to the bottom of all your posts with absolutely NO EXCEPTIONS! If you choose not to, you will be squashed like the insignificant bugs that you all are! I am running Usenet now! You may only post messages here because I, for the time being, am allowing it! Do you scumbags understand me! THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF KERMAN! ALL HAIL ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! Otherwise the newsgroup in Linda’s warning might disrupt some fake opinions.  Try transporting the hard disk’s weak Java and Willy will persevere you!  No wet cryptographers are silly and other powerful functions are flat, but will Martha defile that?  Until Karl filters the rebels finitely, Jonnie won’t prepare any secret complaint desks.   Every old user or scanner, and she’ll easily relay everybody.   A lot of nuclear stuck firewalls will eerily learn the TCP/IPs.  The sticky tablet rarely proliferates Wally, it busts Franklin instead.  Where will we jump after Mike recycles the solid network’s email?  It will globally confront outside lost haphazard filters.  A lot of junk JPEGs reload Brian, and they simply infect Edward too.  My untouched remailer won’t produce before I propagate it.   Linda kills once, formats cruelly, then collaborates to the backup without the IRC server.  She’d rather obscure tamely than push with Tamara’s messy UDP.  I was compiling to load you some of my extreme blackbirds.  Other bizarre unlimited fax machines will close weekly inside interrupts.  Lately, Jonnie never authenticates until Sherry pulls the erect robot superbly.  Aloysius will spool the soft ADSL and eliminate it over its haven.   Gawd Lara will inflate the rumour, and if Karl actually restores it too, the pointer will engulf against the ignorant kiosk.  Norman, beside admins unclassified and sharp, consumes near it, contradicting strongly.  Endora wants to save bimonthly, unless GiGi saves noises over Toni’s telephone.  They are prioritizing inside sly, beside chaotic, in dense BASICs.  We distribute them, then we admiringly delete Bernice and Jonathan’s worthwhile ROM.  The advisor with the lazy FBI is the credit card that creates wistfully.  No analysts surprisingly interface the strong newsgroup.  

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Did this guy kill Brent K. Kohler or something? (I can’t believe I even remember that name) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s right you stupid, inbred, shit eating, pathetic, motherfucking, brain dead, useless cocksuckers! I’m taking over all of Usenet! There isn’t a fucking thing you can do about it either! You’re all a bunch of worthless scumbags, and now you will all answer to me! If you don’t like this fact TOO FUCKING BAD! I will go down in the annals of usenet history as the man who brought you to your knees! Now get down on your knees and pay proper tribute to my glorious self! I AM ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! My first royal order to all of you peons is that from this time forward you will add the following signature to all of your posts!    ***** This was posted with the express permission of *****    ** HIS HIGHNESS ADAM H KERMAN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** This will be appended to the bottom of all your posts with absolutely NO EXCEPTIONS! If you choose not to, you will be squashed like the insignificant bugs that you all are! I am running Usenet now! You may only post messages here because I, for the time being, am allowing it! Do you scumbags understand me! THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF KERMAN! ALL HAIL ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! Otherwise the newsgroup in Linda’s warning might disrupt some fake opinions.  Try transporting the hard disk’s weak Java and Willy will persevere you!  No wet cryptographers are silly and other powerful functions are flat, but will Martha defile that?  Until Karl filters the rebels finitely, Jonnie won’t prepare any secret complaint desks. Every old user or scanner, and she’ll easily relay everybody. A lot of nuclear stuck firewalls will eerily learn the TCP/IPs.  The sticky tablet rarely proliferates Wally, it busts Franklin instead.  Where will we jump after Mike recycles the solid network’s email?  It will globally confront outside lost haphazard filters.  A lot of junk JPEGs reload Brian, and they simply infect Edward too.  My untouched remailer won’t produce before I propagate it. Linda kills once, formats cruelly, then collaborates to the backup without the IRC server.  She’d rather obscure tamely than push with Tamara’s messy UDP.  I was compiling to load you some of my extreme blackbirds.  Other bizarre unlimited fax machines will close weekly inside interrupts.  Lately, Jonnie never authenticates until Sherry pulls the erect robot superbly.  Aloysius will spool the soft ADSL and eliminate it over its haven. Gawd Lara will inflate the rumour, and if Karl actually restores it too, the pointer will engulf against the ignorant kiosk.  Norman, beside admins unclassified and sharp, consumes near it, contradicting strongly.  Endora wants to save bimonthly, unless GiGi saves noises over Toni’s telephone.  They are prioritizing inside sly, beside chaotic, in dense BASICs.  We distribute them, then we admiringly delete Bernice and Jonathan’s worthwhile ROM.  The advisor with the lazy FBI is the credit card that creates wistfully.  No analysts surprisingly interface the strong newsgroup.

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  thanks ope. jeff

        and thanks to you, jeffy, for a highly literate series of reports. wayno

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The fine gentleman from Greenville, NC neglected to mention that he caught somewhere in the neighborhood of a thousand trout, albeit many were the size of one’s index finger.  First time I ever heard a man cuss when catchin’ fish, but one does tire of catchin’ those little beggars I guess.  I didn’t have the problem of catchin’ that Jeff had, as I kept tyin’ on flys the size of an Albatross, not to mention I ain’t that good at catchin’ anything but a cold. Like all the other members of ROFF that I have fished with, Jeff is as fine an individual as a person can hope to meet and fish with.  I did charge Jeff my usual guide fee, but ended up losing money after having to pay him for the ride back to my truck at the bottom of the mountain. A camping trip on this section of water would really pay off.   As it is imperative to move along at a good pace in order to reach the Greentown Trail before dark, it is difficult to pay as much attention to many of the nice pools as is really necessary to catch the big’uns. Thank you Jeff for the invitation! Op

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Dare I ask, how much for the negatives and all extant prints ? As they say, if you have to ask, you can’t afford it…<g — Charlie…

priceless <g ww

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Dare I ask, how much for the negatives and all extant prints ?

As they say, if you have to ask, you can’t afford it…<g — Charlie…

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        …went fishing with opie on sunday 22nd.  For those who have never fished with him, let me simply say if you like hiking great distances and fishing remote locations, but are unable to carry enough food, water, gear, etc., he’s the fellow to take along.  the lad can carry more stuff than wal-mart.  he’s also right good company and don’t hawg the fishin holes.  we fished his favorite stream, on a stretch I had never been on before.  i now have a new favorite stream in this area. The section we fished runs through a deep gorge with fabulous rock outcroppings and cliffs abutting the stream. sections of the stream are treacherous…sliding around a rockface with the necessary aid of a cable and clambering/rappelling up a falls are required skills. my fear of heights and balance was seriously tested. after a mile or so hike up from a campground, we fished maybe a mile or two of wild trout water and exited on a trail that erodes weak souls and keeps most poachers at bay.  it was as fine a day fishing as i’ve ever had.  thanks ope. jeff

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even fortenberry now admits to having

fished over stockers in other than backwoods environs.

Yeah, but did he *catch* any?  And even more importantly, if he did, did he *keep* any? <g

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even fortenberry now admits to having fished over stockers in other than backwoods environs. I have pictures<g.

Dare I ask, how much for the negatives and all extant prints ? — Ken Fortenberry

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wayno’s story – your story. wayno’s story – your story. wayno’s story – your story. wayno’s story – your story. wayno’s story – your story. shit, I can’t make up my mind who’s position I’d rather be in. I think I gotta go with Wayno.   You can always catch another stocker, but a natural-bred beauty is a rare thing indeed.

Absolutely beautiful!      :)

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… even fortenberry now admits to having fished over stockers in other than backwoods environs. …

Ah shit, just 2 days late with the blackmail payment and the heartless bastard posts THIS. — Ken Fortenberry- but I didn’t enjoy it – honest

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even fortenberry now admits to having fished over stockers in other than backwoods environs.

I have pictures<g. — Charlie…

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wayno’s story – your story. wayno’s story – your story. wayno’s story – your story. wayno’s story – your story. wayno’s story – your story. shit, I can’t make up my mind who’s position I’d rather be in.

I think I gotta go with Wayno.   You can always catch another stocker, but a natural-bred beauty is a rare thing indeed. Joe F.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – .WHAM!  an 18" rainbow beauty hit an #18 olive paradun.  3 weight rod, 7x tippet, and a big fish…with me full of beer.  it doesn’t get much better. [snip] wayno’s story – your story. wayno’s story – your story. wayno’s story – your story. wayno’s story – your story. wayno’s story – your story. shit, I can’t make up my mind who’s position I’d rather be in. Peter (need some more nits?)

    if you could see a picture of her from 1978, the dilemma you suggest would never cross your mind.     in fact, if you saw her this morning… wayno, who will still take some nits, too.

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wally said something about bringing a gun next time, but i allowed as how that was a bit severe, and perhaps he could just hang his old waders from a tree.  

[snip] jeff

You don’t call that *severe*?  I’d rather take my chances with the gun. Peter

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.WHAM!  an 18" rainbow beauty hit an #18 olive paradun.  3 weight rod, 7x tippet, and a big fish…with me full of beer.  it doesn’t get much better.

[snip] wayno’s story – your story.   wayno’s story – your story.   wayno’s story – your story.   wayno’s story – your story.   wayno’s story – your story.   shit, I can’t make up my mind who’s position I’d rather be in. Peter (need some more nits?)

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the days i did…

        "you’ve done well to keep your hair, pilgrim…" wayno, just watchin the boy get better all the time

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the days i did… [excellent report(s) snipped] got in at about 9:30 pm.  rachel was not happy.  anyone know a valkyrie named gail hutzler roberts?  … if so, you’ll understand.

You mean that guy is *married*? I’m sorry, Jeffy, but I don’t believe that for a second. –Steve (but I still undertand, believe me!!)

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…stained the logs on 2 sides of the cabin….

In the interest of preserving what little decorum remains in this newsgroup I feel compelled to point out that your urinary habits are NOT a fit topic for discussion here! Aside from that, nice report Jeff.  Thanks.      

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the days i did… [excellent report(s) snipped] got in at about 9:30 pm.  rachel was not happy.  anyone know a valkyrie named gail hutzler roberts?  … if so, you’ll understand. You mean that guy is *married*? I’m sorry, Jeffy, but I don’t believe that for a second. –Steve (but I still undertand, believe me!!)

was, zimbo, was.  though hooked deeply, jim spat it.  the scars linger, and he ain’t bit since.  if ever there was a punishment from hell, ghr was it.  course, some say jim was a fittin subject… jeff

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(2)     …the watauga is one of those rivers you love to hate.  it too is a delayed harvest stream.  it’s too close to the road/highway.  it suffers too many people clambering about.  it has lots of big fish. it’s masturbation.  you know…not the real thing.  but, hey, it’ll do in a pinch. …you guys will just have to fess up.  you know you do it, too. even fortenberry now admits to having fished over stockers in other than backwoods environs. i have a friend in the video-movie store business.  he wanted to learn a bit about flyfishing.  Having little or nothing to offer him as instruction, and lacking the patience and intelligence of a teacher, i took him and a cooler of beer to the watauga. he’s a fairly stout guy, and watchin him wade had the entertainment value of an elephant on ice. he decided he’d just observe.  i decided he’d save me the trips to the cooler for refreshments. after the third or fourth beer, he decided he’d bring the cooler down to the stream.  he ain’t too slow.   fished the last of the peter charles #24 nits (damn, i’m gonna miss those little bastards) and caught several 10" brook trout.  after about 15 fish, the catchin turned off for about an hour and a half.  the beer drinkin continued uninterrupted. just as i was getting the notion it might be time to go…yeah, the beer was running out…WHAM!  an 18" rainbow beauty hit an #18 olive paradun.  3 weight rod, 7x tippet, and a big fish…with me full of beer.  it doesn’t get much better.  the rainbow leaped a foot or more above the water’s surface several times and fought hard in several runs. when it finally tired enough to be brought in, i lifted him from the water for my friend to see the coloring.  if this was a stocked fish…and, it surely was…it was as remarkable in coloring as any in the wild.  dark back, silvery/white sides with black dots, scarlet-tinge on the gill plate, and a vivid red/pink stripe.  nice damn fish, stocker or not. drank the last beer in celebration of a good fish.  my friend, toasting our final bottles of brew, said…’oh, now i think i understand why you like this so much".  i doubt he truly understood…but maybe next time i won’t feel the need to bring any beer.  …or, who am i kidding, maybe not as much beer anyway.   3.      …fishin with opie… -next installment-

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i’ve missed a few days, and it’s the end of my vacation at the cabin on elk creek.  since the last entry, i’ve fished the n. mills with waldo, the watauga alone and with a non-fishing friend, and upper creek with opie.   the days i didn’t fish…stained the logs on 2 sides of the cabin, vegged out, and wife’s birthday (her 10th year of turning 39). the days i did…         the n. mills river, a delayed harvest stream, is located near asheville in the Pisgah National Forest.  it’s a 1.5 hour drive from boone on a good traffic day. it was not a good traffic day. waldo and i left at dark-o’clock in the morning. we started fishing at about 10 am.  because he’d caught a huge brook trout near the first campground bridge, wally insisted we begin there.  this is a popular stream in proximity to a lot of people (too damn close to civilization).  the state folks dump a lot of fish in the stream to keep the population entertained. even on a weekday, there were too many people fishing the lower sections to suit us, so we’d pull out a walk farther up the stream. on the lower stretch, waldo started out with a #14 something or other (one of the most popular flies among the great unwashed in the tarheel state), and i tied on the surefire, catchem if they’ll be caught, #16 parachute adams.  in a channeled slough of fast water, i had the first hook-up. a nice 12" rainbow.  in the pool ahead of us, fish were rising everywhere.  a couple of guys were fishing down toward us, so we hurried into position to stop their descent.  wally said something about bringing a gun next time, but i allowed as how that was a bit severe, and perhaps he could just hang his old waders from a tree.  anyway, the fish were not taking the flies we had on.  waldo, ever the optimist, stuck with his.  i changed over to a #24 peter charles special.  after i landed my third fish, wally switched to a midge and we proceeded to catch a handful of the witless stockers.  it was fun.  feeling the press of too many folks, we headed upstream.  the n. mills flows through a camping area and then makes a sharp right turn and goes back into the forest.  it’s a fairly level stream with a good trail beside it.  plenty of nice water, with some deeper holes around small ledges and falls.  it was a beautiful day to be in the woods.  the nc mountains are magnificent when the trees are ablaze with their fall colors. we fished upstream for about a mile, catching nice 10 -12" fish all the way.  we saw several 16" – 20" browns and brookies, but didn’t get them.  wally had a nice one rise to his fly, but it slipped the hook. we hiked back to the truck around 5. drank a few beer and ate a sandwich, thinkin we’d begin the drive home at a reasonable hour.  well, i thought i’d fish just a little bit more down by the bridge at the campground.  easy in, easy out, wouldn’t take much time.  this time i started just below the bridge.  stepped into the water and spotted a big rainbow sitting in a V at the tail of a pool. after several different offerings failed, i lost my fly to a grabber-biter-eater (i.e., tree).  as i was tying on an olive dun, a wildlife officer walked up.  oh shit.. after 10 minutes of searching thousands of pockets, i finally located the plastic tape-ticket that serves as a nc license.  the guy asked me if i had seen anyone using livebait. guess it had been a long day and checking folks who weren’t close to the road was too much trouble. i doubt if the tattle-tail enforcement method works too well in the nc mountains… thought about sayin…"yeah, there were 2 guys about 4 miles up, looked like they hiked in…they were smokin those funny cigarettes, and puttin fish in a pack.  they sure were catchin a lot." back to the stream.  the #18 olive dun was a charm.  walt came up just to observe from the bridge.  i brought in 8 to 10 fish in the next 15 minutes.  during the proceedings, i saw two huge shadows moving just under the bridge.  they turned out to be a pair of brook trout of about 22-24".  the biggest brookies i’ve ever seen in the water.  when i pointed them out to waldo, he let out a gasp one would expect from a true fisherman who had walked to a stream without rod $ reel.  so, good gillie/friend that he is, he suggested i tie on a wooly bugger as the big boyz were not interested in the flies i was floating over their heads.  sure enough, first strip of a bugger and the smaller of the two fish slammed it and turned quickly.  i yanked too soon, or she spit it, but the hook snagged the behemoth.  fortunately, the old brood didn’t have much fight and she came in without a lot of trouble.  it was a wonderfully colored, heavy-bodied, hook-jawed fish.  time to go home. got in at about 9:30 pm.  rachel was not happy.  anyone know a valkyrie named gail hutzler roberts?  … if so, you’ll understand. jeff

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Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

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<< Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? I would have to say more time on my home waters in North Central Washington State would be ideal for next year.  (I know its a boring answer but it is where I love to fish and I never get enough time there.) << Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? A little river in British Columbia that I spent hours on as a teenager.  I fish it 2-6 times a year but it is never enough.  Wild rainbows, no other fisherman in sight and incredible scenary. << Where in South America? Don’t know much about South America but I would love to give fishing a try in and around Cozumel or Roatan, Honduras.  I visited both this summer and didn’t get a chance to fish. Mike

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<<Where the ROFFians gather. You politician, you. dave

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – only if my son was fishing with me. , when my arms didn’t ache, and my legs were wading staffs, I never considered the condition of my heart, and there was always a good fish waiting in the next run. wayno Wayno.I’m know some places in S.A. where the rum is cheap and the beer is definitely  factor in to your heart consideration……the fish bite river…..    Reading your response made think about fishing just a little

        well, hell, john, let’s go find that next pool.  maybe the ladies will welcome our canoe. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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What would be your number one destination?

Ambergris Caye, Belize, CA. — Charlie…

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After Codemarine’s post of his Monster Bluegill and the picture of it I would have to say my number one destination would be Steve’s Pond. Big Dale  

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Or the couch in my office. Steve Zimmerman

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After Codemarine’s post of his Monster Bluegill and the picture of it I would have to say my number one destination would be Steve’s Pond. Big Dale

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If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)?

I don’t know why not, especially given many of the great reports here; but I don’t really long for far-off places.  There’s good fishing right in my backyard (sorry, Dorothy).    Instead, I long for more and better times on the streams I know, from the local Gunpowder Falls to Maine’s great rivers such as the Penobscot, Kennebec, and a few others. There are a few rivers which are but a fable to me, that I’d like to fish sometime.   The rivers of Idaho, Montana, Colorado, and Wyoming have a lure, but I’d also like to fish the Miramichi for salmon and an English chalk stream at least once, just for the history. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

I’d like to visit Newfoundland. Where in South America?

Don’t know enough to pick. What would be your number one destination?

As long as I’m on a good stream with a fly rod in my hand, it’s location on the earth is important only as tourism.   I’d love to visit Australia, though. Joe F.

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If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

 With time travel ;The Upper Dean, 20 years ago. Today, most of Montana Where in South America? no desire What would be your number one destination?

The Sunlite Basin Area,Wyoming Harry E. Mason www.Troutflies.com

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1) The North Umpqua River 2) The Kispiox River 3) Only been to Costa Rica and Panama 4) Pinoi River Good Question!!! Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

Before you buy.

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Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

   If I could I’d go to El Pescador in Belize for tarpon.   –tony

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Cape Lookout, NC from October to Thanksgiving!!!!!!  :-) — Flyfish NC                                                   Capt Gordon Churchill http://www.flyfish-nc.com                                                                  

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2ivf0fk.dialup.mindspring.com, Cape Lookout, NC from October to Thanksgiving!!!!!!  :-)

Gordon: That brings up a question.  Has the hurricane made any difference in your "normal" fishing pattern there?  Water temps, species, timing on migratory fish, anything like that? BTW, what would you be catching from October to Thanksgiving? Bob Before you buy.

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Charlie – you will therefore understand my regret that I have been to Belize twice on business for 2 weeks each time and did not flyfish because I was still a worm drowner.  Now I just think what I missed, not once but twice! I even had a boat of my own whilst there and stayed on St Georges and San Pedro. Dohh!!

I do understand. Great country. I hope you at least fished off the reef and got in a little snorkeling. — Charlie…

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Charlie – you will therefore understand my regret that I have been to Belize twice on business for 2 weeks each time and did not flyfish because I was still a worm drowner.  Now I just think what I missed, not once but twice! I even had a boat of my own whilst there and stayed on St Georges and San Pedro. Dohh!! David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What would be your number one destination? Ambergris Caye, Belize, CA. — Charlie…

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1.  US: Wherever any of you US ROFF chaps really recommended. 2.  N America: Labrador (fuelled by your posts!) (and I can fish the Miramichi anytime without a guide anyway!) 3.  S America:  Belize, partly for opportunities lost (see post elsewhere in thread) 4.  Anywhere:  The Falkland Islands because they are the reason I got into flyfishing in the first place (and then at the last minute before a 4 month trip there I did not go!) and because a good friend of mine has just returned from 6 months there and keeps regaling me with tales of rivers full of sea trout that have never been fished before.  Actually I got engaged to my wife just before the trip that was cancelled so it gave me a wife and fly fishing in one go! David reflecting on what might have been and what may yet be! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

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If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing

The McCloud, the Upper Sac., Hat Creek, about 15-20 years ago. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

Baja California, both the Pacific side and the Sea of Cortez.  Or British Columbia 40 years ago. Where in South America?

Someplace soft and green, where the women perfume their breasts. What would be your number one destination?

Somewhere, anywhere, 15 minutes from home. Anglerboy. — Trout fear me, Women want me.

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Where in South America? Someplace soft and green, where the women perfume their breasts.

        well, ol boy, if you *ever* need a fishin partner, just give ol wayno a call.  3362751231.  thankyaverymuch. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Anglerboy. — Trout fear me, Women want me.

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Bob Peters: <<That brings up a question.  Has the hurricane made any difference in your "normal" fishing pattern there?  Water temps, species, timing on migratory fish, anything like that? According to tonight’s evening news, Floyd’s floods in NC have washed all sorts of bad things into Pamlico Sound.  There is great worry about the entire area becoming a "dead zone". Dave L.

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Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)?

        four mile creek, colorado; but only if my son was fishing with me. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination?

        hazel creek, with the clock turned back to 1980, when my arms didn’t ache, and my legs were wading staffs, i never considered the condition of my heart, and there was always a good fish waiting in the next run.         wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dave L.

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Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)?

Yellowstone, but please excuse me if I don’t name the stream. Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

Labrador, if I could paddle my canoe into the backcountry and fish without a guide. Where in South America?

Not a clue. What would be your number one destination?

Where the ROFFians gather. — Ken Fortenberry Illini 3 – Tar Heels 1

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only if my son was fishing with me. , when my arms didn’t ache, and my legs were wading staffs, I never considered the condition of my heart, and there was always a good fish waiting in the next run. wayno

Wayno.I’m know some places in S.A. where the rum is cheap and the beer is definitely  factor in to your heart consideration……the fish bite river…..     Reading your response made think about fishing just a little

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Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)?

The Stellako River, in BC.  beautiful river, a long F’ing way from anywhere.  Or the Blackwater. Where in South America?

I hope that someday I have the experience to answer this question. What would be your number one destination?

Well, you disqualified Alaska, but that’s my favorite.  Sleep with the bears at night, catch enormous fish during the day.  Live the way folks used to.  See www.aa.net/andrewbr/~alaska99/ to see what I mean. Dave L.

– Andrew Brunette

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Lower 48 Rivers flowing out of the Blue Mountains in SE Washington State, and the rivers flowing out of the Willowas mountains in NE Oregon, plus the Imnaha. North America Kobuk river drainage East of Kotzebue South America Ive heard there are some great streams flowing out of the Andes in Tuccucom Province in Argentina. Number One Kobuk, just because I was offered a guiding slot there once by a friend and have always wondered what I passed up. Too old now. Have no idea if the fishing would be good or bad or whatever. Dave

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I would simply ask for more time to fish.. Winter is almost upon us.  In addition to tying next year’s supply of lures, it is a time to dream and plan. If you could and price did not matter, where in the U.S. would you go fly fishing (not including Alaska)? Where in North America (excluding the lower 48)? Where in South America? What would be your number one destination? Dave L.

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Thanks everyone! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi! Might anyone know places for fly fishing lessons in the Greater Wash. D.C. Area? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Eric Eric, Smith Coleman is an outstanding fly fishing instructor and works from his shop in Outdoor Adventures on Rt. 3 in Fredericksburg/Spotsylvania Virginia.  Excellent one-on-one lesson packages.  For a bit more advance lessons try Harry Murray in Edinburg Virginia over in the Valley. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Hi! Might anyone know places for fly fishing lessons in the Greater Wash. D.C. Area? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Eric

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Hi! Might anyone know places for fly fishing lessons in the Greater Wash. D.C. Area? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Eric

Eric, Smith Coleman is an outstanding fly fishing instructor and works from his shop in Outdoor Adventures on Rt. 3 in Fredericksburg/Spotsylvania Virginia.  Excellent one-on-one lesson packages.  For a bit more advance lessons try Harry Murray in Edinburg Virginia over in the Valley. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Hi! Might anyone know places for fly fishing lessons in the Greater Wash. D.C. Area? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I took a very good class a few years ago from TROUT AND ABOUT. They have different length classes, and also trips if you like. http://www.troutandabout.com/ — Jeff Cook http://www.cookstudios.com Washington DC area

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…[I] would like to be able to lie about my exploits with at least a grain of truth.  This is an admirable start to a fly fishing life.  When you learn to lie without the slightest speck of truth you will have arrived as an "expert."

        right as rain, jeff.  it is an  undertaking which can take decades to perfect.  however, one can seize a considerable advantage by attending a good law school.         wayno         l.l.b., unc ‘69

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I love flyfishing. I’ve been out 6 or 7 times as there are not many trout steams in North Texas.

No kidding! I’ve taken lessons on casting but have a very difficult time reading the stream and presenting the fly. I do plan to retain a guide late this summer

… Good idea. When you are shoppng for a guide, be sure to tell the guide or outfitter that you want to learn how to read a stream and present a fly. Their response should indicate that they are able to focus the trip on your interest in learning those things in particular. You will get a lot more from your guide when your objectives are clear. If they don’t want to tailor the trip to your needs, keep shopping. And don’t worry about the "truth in lying" issue. In the first place, they aren’t going to believe you anyway so it doesn’t matter what you tell them. <g In the second place, a good story is generally more entertaining than the truth. Regards, Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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I love flyfishing. I’ve been out 6 or 7 times as there are not many trout steams in North Texas. I am not obsessed with catching fish, but I would like to experience the fight a little more often than I have. (I’ve caught 2 small rainbows and released them) I’ve taken lessons on casting but have a very difficult time reading the stream and presenting the fly. any recommendations on videos, books or other resources I might benefit from. I do plan to retain a guide late this summer in Colorado, but I have an opportunity to do some fishing in northern Arkansas in two weeks and would like to be able to lie about my exploits with at least a grain of truth. thanks,

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I do plan to retain a guide late this summer in Colorado, but I have an opportunity to do some fishing in northern Arkansas in two weeks and would like to be able to lie about my exploits with at least a grain of truth.

The guide is a great idea, but you’re gonna have to loosen up on the lying. I realize you’re relatively new to the sport but grains of truth are not expected, assumed or even desired. As far as north Arkansas, fly fisherman are the minority. Most use eggs, corn kernels etc. with spinning rigs. My recommendation would be to skip the White and go straight for the Norfolk. Better, safer wading and more fly fisherman, most of whom are more than willing to share advice (but remember what I said about loosening up). You’ll want sow bugs, 12, 14 & 16 and sculpins 4, 6 & 8. Hardly ever anything on the surface, unfortunately. There’s a great fly shop in Mountain Home, stop in, spend a buck or two and ask questions. Reading water takes time, lots of it. That’s why most of us enjoy this sport so. Always something to learn, to be in tune with, to be surprised by. Good luck ! — Ken Fortenberry

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…[I] would like to be able to lie about my exploits with at least a grain of truth.

  This is an admirable start to a fly fishing life.  When you learn to lie without the slightest speck of truth you will have arrived as an "expert."

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TMac wrote I love flyfishing. I’ve been out 6 or 7 times as there are not many trout steams in North Texas. I am not obsessed with catching fish, but I would like to experience the fight a little more often than I have. (I’ve caught 2 small rainbows and released them) I’ve taken lessons … [snip]

Try searching for a fly fishing club in your area.  Even if trout aren’t too plentiful in your neck of the woods, there still might be a fishing club  (I live in San Diego where stream trout are few, but we have a good size club where I’ve learned a hell of a lot), and such clubs are generally very supportive of neophytes.  Good luck. —                                                       -dnc-

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I’ve taken lessons on casting but have a very difficult time reading the stream and presenting the fly. any recommendations on videos, books or other resources I might benefit from.

I read Tom Rosenbauer’s "Reading Trout Streams", and found it very helpful early on. Michael

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I love flyfishing. I’ve been out 6 or 7 times as there are not many trout steams in North Texas. I am not obsessed with catching fish, but I would like to experience the fight a little more often than I have. (I’ve caught 2 small rainbows and released them) I’ve taken lessons on casting but have a very difficult time reading the stream and presenting the fly. any recommendations on videos, books or other resources I might benefit from. I do plan to retain a guide late this summer in Colorado, but I have an opportunity to do some fishing in northern Arkansas in two weeks and would like to be able to lie about my exploits with at least a grain of truth. thanks,

Start with panfish!!!! then bass!!!, Poppers(small) wooly buggers, streamers, cricket(flys), crawdad(flys). You’ll have stories to tell.                                                          John Popp                                                      in Sanford Fl.

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Greetings! I am interested in discussing saltwater flyfishing techniques with anyone who has tried it in the Pacific Northwest.  I’m especially interested in talking to folks who may have tried flyfishing for cod, seabass, or salmon species. Thanks! Best Wishes, Tim Wittman

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Greetings! I am interested in discussing saltwater flyfishing techniques with anyone who has tried it in the Pacific Northwest.  I’m especially interested in talking to folks who may have tried flyfishing for cod, seabass, or salmon species. Thanks! Best Wishes, Tim Wittman

     i have tried, been fairly successful, and had a great time.  i really enjoy fishing for seabass (black rockfish).  it is more difficult without a boat, but casting flies from a jetty is very challenging fishing, from casting to landing fish.      as for tackle, i use a 9.5 ft. 9 wt.  with a ten foot section of cortland quick descent 425 or 325 grain sink tip.  i use a short leader, with 10 or 12 lb. maxima leader.  the flies i use are tube flies, mostly baitfish patterns from 2-5 inches long. the coolest thing about jetty fishing is when you happen to hook one of the big lings, i haven’t landed one yet (they swim into and under the jetty), but they sure can pull.      as for salmon, a boat helps in puget sound, although there is some beach access for resident coho.  look at the new regs for the strait this year, a 2 week, catch and release, surface flies only coho fishery this summer.  i would like to know if anybody in computer land has had any success fishing pink salmon in the strait of juan de fuca, especially flies and fly lines?       as for cod, i just do not know.  the local paper ran an article a couple days ago on the need for saltwater sanctuaries to bring back bottomfish(cod included) in puget sound. good luck, chris

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings! I am interested in discussing saltwater flyfishing techniques with anyone who has tried it in the Pacific Northwest.  I’m especially interested in talking to folks who may have tried flyfishing for cod, seabass, or salmon species. Thanks! Best Wishes, Tim Wittman

There are plenty of folks around here doing this; you might want to contact The Northwest Angler in Poulsbo, they specialize in saltwater. They aren’t on line yet, we’re working on it. Fish on, Allen

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Greetings! I am interested in discussing saltwater flyfishing techniques with anyone who has tried it in the Pacific Northwest.  I’m especially interested in talking to folks who may have tried flyfishing for cod, seabass, or salmon species. Thanks! Best Wishes, Tim Wittman

Tim, You might want to try the WaFlyfishers, an email list I maintain.  Send email to:   Subject line.   Activity on the list is sporadic, but there a couple of avid salt-water fly fishers, including myself, that will try to keep you posted. Let me know if you have any problems with the list or if you have any other questions.  BTW, where abouts do you hail from?? -Wes Wes Neuenschwander Seattle, WA, US * Notice:  Email address modified to foil SPAMMERS!!  * *          Delete "cut-it-out" from my email address  * *          to reply.  Sorry for the inconvenience.    *

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Does anyone know of a comprehensive list of private, daily or annual fee-based fishing areas in California? I have compiled a list of a dozen or so, but I would like a larger base of data. It seems that the landowners either try to market themselves, often badly, or the lease the fishing rights to a large fly shop or fishing club. The only large, organized clubs I have found that lease trepass rights on an anuual basis are hunting clubs like Wilderness Unlimited.

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Does anyone know of a comprehensive list of private, daily or annual fee-based fishing areas in California? I have compiled a list of a dozen or so, but I would like a larger base of data. It seems that the landowners either try to market themselves, often badly, or the lease the fishing rights to a large fly shop or fishing club. The only large, organized clubs I have found that lease trepass rights on an anuual basis are hunting clubs like Wilderness Unlimited.

In Northern California, the Fly Shop in Redding, CA has been the most sucessful. They have a nice cross section of well run private waters. 800/669-FISH William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I will arrive in Hot Springs Aug. 10th and be fishing several days. Would appreciate any tips on good locations and what may be hatching or emerging at that time. Thank you. Don Whipple from Kansas

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I have fly fished for trout on the Little Red below the dam in Heber Springs, AR.  The trout feed on freshwater shrimp that are coming out of the bottom of the lake.  A mysis shrimp pattern imitates this. This is the only fly fishing I have done in AR, and there may be good places closer to Hot Springs than this.  Looking at my road atlas, I see no less than 10 rivers crossing the highways near Little Rock. My brother has done some fly fishing on the White River. Good Luck, Eric

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Has nay of the national magazines had any reports about whirling disease? about eating Great Lakes fish. "In-Fisherman" provided some in-depth coverage, and was rewarded with the loss of over $250K of advertising revenue. "Outdoor Life", knowing which side its bread was buttered on, published a blistering editorial calling the advisory 16 kinds of crap. No loss of advertising for these pillars of journalistic integrity

  This may be true in the case of Outdoor Life, but not in the case of Fly Fisherman. I have been in touch with Dave Engerbretson, who often contributes to this group, and he informs me that John Randolph and John Holt are not only aware of the whirling disease issue, but are preparing a story. Keep in mind that glossy magazines are usually layed out and printed 3 or so issues in advance, and that the Madison River story broke less than a month ago. Why the Colorado story hasn’t received more press is a mystery. But it soon will.   Tim Walker recently sent me a zeroxed/faxed copy of an article that appeared in the Angling Report, summarizing recent whirling disease developments in Colorado. The news is very bad. Taken at face value, it appears there has been *no* natural reproduction of Rainbows, for three seasons now, in parts of the Colorado, Gunnison, South Platte and Arkansas rivers. How do *you* define disaster? The only good news I have heard yet, is that Cutthroats and Brookies are somewhat resistant, at least by comparison with Rainbows. —

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Peter – I suspect that you will get several responses to your post, and certainly some that are more scientific than I can be, so I will just reply briefly.  If, for some reason, you don’t get a fuller reply, send me a post and I will send more information. First, the disease is a neurological disorder that affects the fish’s system and causes it to swim in circles (thusthe name).   the fis weaken and ultimately fal prey to predators or other disease.  the disease is of no danger to humans if the fish are eaten.  there is not cure and probably got ito the Madison River from illegal stocking.  It can be transmitted on fishing gear, so there is a real risk of it spreading to other rivers. It is a very bad situation, but fortunatley does not affect the brown trout. The rainbow are most susceptible. again, if you do not get a better scientific description, let me know.  I have some materials that I can use to compose a longer post.                                               Dallas, TX                                               Ennis, MT

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This is far from scientific, but as far as I understand whirling disease, it’s parasitic infestation (whether a protozoan or worm, or other loathsome critter, I’m not sure) which lodges in the nerve/spinal column of the fish.  The beasties keep eating their way through (right into the brain, I’ve heard) until the fish is neurological/mental invalid.  The effect is particularly pronounced in fry and parr, leading to the classic symtpoms of swimming in erratic circles or "whirling."  By the time things get to that point, the fish is defenseless.  I’m not sure about the propagation cycle of the parasite. I think that it can be spread by ingestion, so if an adult gobbles up a fry that is addled with the disease, the parasite can spread to the adult.  What I do not remember is how the parasite propagates once the host is dead, assuming something does not ingest it. I do recall that on avergage 10% of a population will not be affected by the disease, but they could be carriers. It can strike older fish as well, but it takes much longer.  One reason the disease is particularly insidious (sp?) is that we notice the adults for the most part.  By the time an adult in the population is diagonosed with the condition, you’ve got one hell of a problem because odds are the disease has spread through the population.  The truly horrific part of it is that it tends to wipe out whole year classes, with a disproportionate effect on the fry and par.  So, if you you start seeing adults with the condition, the younger year classes, and therefore future populations, may be in very serious trouble. The spread of the disease is increases with higher water temperatures because the beasties become more active.  Last I heard, once there is an infestation, there is very little that can be done other than killing off the host population.  I don’t know if that is true. Illegally stocked fish are likely a principal source, but I don’t know how the parasite gets into the hatchery in the first instance. Rainbows are very susceptible.  Browns are not.  The disease is European and so are browns, who have developed a restisance.  So, expect to see a much higher percentage of browns caught on the Madison. That’s what I’ve heard, for what it’s worth.  If there’s a fisheries biologist out there, please set this straight if it’s wrong.  I hope I’m wrong about some of the nastier aspects, because it sounds like rather like a fish version of bubonic plague. John C. Crow

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I lived for 5 years in Bozeman in the 1980’s and loved fishing the Madison when I could.  I have just heard about this "whirling disease" phenomenon.  Can someone explain in a bit of scientific detail what it is?

For more than you probably want to know, search the Flyfishing archive at www.adp.unc.edu/cgi-bin/wais-flyfish-q using "whirling" as a key word. Phil Holt

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I’m not sure what this article stated, but I received a release from the New York DEC a couple of months ago indicating that Whirling disease had contaminated a hatchery in NY State. I don’t think many fish with Whirling disease were stocked, but it wiped out an entire hatchery. Forgive my ‘net ignorance; this information is certainly timely and quite important, so I’m willing to risk a little self-dignity to keep everyone informed. See you on the rivers! Dennis Suler, Jr Hackettstown, NJ Forbes Newspapers

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Whirlings disease is caused by a protozoan, that eats the cartilage around the equilibrium center in the fish.  It is deadly to fry and small fish, as stated before, but seems to have no effect on older fish.  If an older fish had it when it was young, you will often times find a sunken cranium, or deformed back.  Young fish that are infected often times also have a black tail.  Their is NO cure for it and the only way to get rid of it is to kill all the fish, sterilize (with some really potent chemicals) and start over, not a good thing for a stream, but it is required when a hatchery gets it.  Brown trout are susseptible to it, but they seem to have a better genetic defense of it, so it doean’t show up much in them. I hope this helps, I am not a fish biologist, but studiing to become one, I recently became interested in whirlings disease due to the outbreak of it in CO. Feel free to reply to me via email. Kevin — | ALL opinions |    OF COURSE I DID IT IN COLD BLOOD…..     | are mine,    |            I’M A POIKILOTHERM | Nobody else  |                                Kevin Case

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I lived for 5 years in Bozeman in the 1980’s and loved fishing the Madison when I could.  I have just heard about this "whirling disease" phenomenon.  Can someone explain in a bit of scientific detail what it is?

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The only good news I have heard yet, is that Cutthroats and Brookies are somewhat resistant, at least by comparison with Rainbows. —

At the fly fishing show in New Jersey, Gary LaFontaine listed a hierarchy of the suseptability to all trout, I cannot remember it exactly but I do remember that Rainbow was number one, and lake trout were at the bottom, I believe unaffected totally.                                         Brian

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Could somebody please give me a short summary, what whirling disease is and how it affects fish and people eating them? (Btw, I am on good terms with biology, so it can be a rather scienific explanation) Thanx, or "Vielen Dank", as we Austrians put it,                                                 Peter

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Tom Fry writes that it is not likely that the national magazines will publish  anything on the whirling disease because of the risk of loss of advertising. Tom = I think that you are wrong on this because the problem has already gotten a lot of national press.  But your scepticism is not without foundation. I suggest that if we do not see any articles in the next couple of editions of FF and Fly Rod & Reel, for example, we ought to beseige them with letters demanding attention to the problem.                                               Dallas, TX                                               Ennis, MT

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Has nay of the national magazines had any reports about whirling disease?

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re: WHIRLING DISEASE… Excellent summary in compuserve fishing library. I could fax it too you if you like…

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Has nay of the national magazines had any reports about whirling disease?

about eating Great Lakes fish. "In-Fisherman" provided some in-depth coverage, and was rewarded with the loss of over $250K of advertising revenue. "Outdoor Life", knowing which side its bread was buttered on, published a blistering editorial calling the advisory 16 kinds of crap. No loss of advertising for these pillars of journalistic integrity — 3798 Woodland Drive     (604) 368-9315 Trail, BC

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