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You might try http://www.paflyfish.easetech.com/ There is a listing of fly shops (though I’m sure not complete) and a bullitin board wherre you can post your questions. Pretty active. It seems to be THE place to go to find out about Pa trout matters.

I tried that one out. The nearest fly shops were down in Williamsport. I was kinda hoping to find one right in Canton, preferably staffed by a cute young lady with a soft spot for engineers on quests. Hope springs eternal and all that… My work firewall won’t let me into the forum section, so I haven’t posted questions yet. Barring any particular solutions, I can just use general solutions: Be polite, bring five sizes of Adams and tie on 7x. You picked (or had fantastic dumb luck) a great area to fish and nearly the perfect time of year to go.

One of my friends just bought a new digital camera so I’ll post pictures of the scenery. I was in Bucks County last weekend and the trees were just starting to turn. I think by the time I get to Bradford County they’ll be mostly done, but the state of the leaves is really just a part of the whole experience. Brookies in the fall? You will be dazzled.

I hope so. It has the ingredients to become maudlin and possibly even mawkish. If the fish are even a tenth as beautiful as I remember (assuming I catch one), I might just begin to cry from the sheer emotional power of touching my inner child. At worst, I’ll start watching Lifetime or Oxygen… Kiyu

Thanks for the suggestion. Steve "I can see the mountains, I can see the sky, and it’s all too pretty for a man to want to die." -Johnny Cash, "25 Minutes to Go"

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"You never even called me by my name"… Steve Goodman (City of new orleans) wrote it and sent it to David Allan Coe telling him it was the perfect country/western song, Coe replied saying it wasn’t because it didn’t mention pick up trucks, being drunk, trains, Momma, Prison or dying. Goodman wrote an additional verse sent it back and Coe recorded it. That verse went like this… "I was drunk, the day my Mom, got outta prison, and I went to pick her up in the rain, but before I could get to the station in my pick up truck, she got runned over by a damned old train…." Great sing along swing song I used to do at every gig, and if we forgot to include it the requests ensured we did. A good song, but just as good a laugh. Clark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Frank Reid" No one has written a country western song about it, I could, but probably wont….. Clark To quote an intro off a Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young album, "Here’s a song guaranteed to bring you right down.  Its called, "Don’t let it bring you down."" Who was it that said the perfect country western song’s gotta have "trucks, trains, mothers" and a few other things? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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"Brian D. Nelson" Wasn’t that Merle?? Nope, David Allan Coe sang it, Steve Goodman wrote it. Clark

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"I was drunk, the day my Mom, got outta prison, and I went to pick her up in the rain, but before I could get to the station in my pick up truck, she got runned over by a damned old train…."

Clark, I know you will remember the bit by Billy Connolly (or as he says, Big Bill Connolly, the man who put the c**t in Country Music). He was the big scottish guy in "Head of the Class" for the US readers. The bit deconstructs the genre in a humorous yet accurate way, talking about the tragedy, lost love, alcohol that form the common or garden country song. He tops the bit off with this little number: http://www.btinternet.com/~sarsen/billy/bc-candw.html Note the part that says "Country and Western Sounds" went like: Yo de lay eeeee .. lay eeee .. lay eeeee Wooo Wooo You know what I mean Cheers, — Gary M (remove ‘x’s from email address)

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When I was a kid and I lived on the Western slopes of the Rockies, my father and I went fishing for brookies in small alpine creeks. We used spinning gear and worms and enjoyed the summer sunshine. My father was a very busy man and these trips were the highlight of our time in Colorado. We got up before light and dressed heavily because even in July the overnight temperatures would drop to near freezing. There was a perfunctory attempt at packing lunch, usually a block of cheese, leftover steak, two sodas, a sixpack and the obligatory thermos of coffee. Sometimes it was just the coffee and the sixpack. We drove out to Steamboat Springs, stopped at the same gas station for worms and headed up towards Hahn’s Peak. At first we went for the little brookies in the streams that flowed into Steamboat Lake. Later, Dad got a little twelve-foot aluminum boat and we trolled Steamboat Lake for rainbows, and then after we moved, bass in small lakes. No matter where I go or how I fish, I remember how perfect those little brookies were. The biggest we ever caught was eight inches and six was the norm. They all came from those sun-soaked little creeks where the water was so cold it hurt your feet and all the while, Hahn’s Peak looked down in all its purple benevolence. I’m older, and my third-grade enthusiasm is tempered with a little knowledge and a little skill. I know that those little brookies were invaders; they probably should have been cutthroats. It doesn’t change how beautiful they were or how great it was to be ten years old and fishing with Dad. In two weeks, I going with my friends to a cabin on the border between Bradford and Tioga Counties. According to the Pennsylvania Fishing and Boating Commission, there is a Class A Wild Trout Stream right in the little town of Canton, with a population of native brookies, wild and sustaining. Rathbone Creek, it is called. This will be my first chance at wild brookies, and more importantly, my first chance at natives: fish that have lived in that area since the glaciers retreated twelve thousand years ago. I’ve left the worms and the spinning rods behind (for the most part), and since I’ve taken up fly fishing I’ve considered a native brookie on a dry fly to be very meaningful and a fishing milestone. I think it will be almost a exciting as hooking my first steelhead (though not as dramatic). I’d like some help in this quest: Is there a fly shop in the vicinity of Canton? Is there public access to this Rathbone Creek? Is Rathbone the right idea? We’re not hooligans and we won’t trash anybody’s favorite spots. Thanks, Steve

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… since I’ve taken up fly fishing I’ve considered a native brookie on a dry fly to be very meaningful and a fishing milestone. …

You’re a man after my own heart. I can’t help you with your Pennsylvania quest but you would be right at home in North Carolina. Uncle Waldo at ezflyfish could set you right up. Good luck. — Ken Fortenberry

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… since I’ve taken up fly fishing I’ve considered a native brookie on a dry fly to be very meaningful and a fishing milestone. … You’re a man after my own heart. I can’t help you with your Pennsylvania quest but you would be right at home in North Carolina. Uncle Waldo at ezflyfish could set you right up. Good luck.

I’ll second all of that and add that if you’re ever in Wisconsin or upper Michigan we can show you LOTS of native brookies. Wolfgang

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … since I’ve taken up fly fishing I’ve considered a native brookie on a dry fly to be very meaningful and a fishing milestone. … You’re a man after my own heart. I can’t help you with your Pennsylvania quest but you would be right at home in North Carolina. Uncle Waldo at ezflyfish could set you right up. Good luck. I’ll second all of that and add that if you’re ever in Wisconsin or upper Michigan we can show you LOTS of native brookies. Wolfgang

    gotta go there and do that.  it wouldn’t be maudlin, would it? yfitons wayno

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I’ll second all of that and add that if you’re ever in Wisconsin or upper Michigan we can show you LOTS of native brookies. Wolfgang    gotta go there and do that.  it wouldn’t be maudlin, would it? yfitons wayno

just don’t trip over the meniscus Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – … since I’ve taken up fly fishing I’ve considered a native brookie on a dry fly to be very meaningful and a fishing milestone. … You’re a man after my own heart. I can’t help you with your Pennsylvania quest but you would be right at home in North Carolina. Uncle Waldo at ezflyfish could set you right up. Good luck. I’ll second all of that and add that if you’re ever in Wisconsin or upper Michigan we can show you LOTS of native brookies. Wolfgang     gotta go there and do that.  it wouldn’t be maudlin, would it? yfitons wayno

Nope…….um……not on a school day anyway.  Weekends…..well, you know.   Wolfgang bring cheese!

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You might try http://www.paflyfish.easetech.com/ There is a listing of fly shops (though I’m sure not complete) and a bullitin board wherre you can post your questions. Pretty active. It seems to be THE place to go to find out about Pa trout matters. You picked (or had fantastic dumb luck) a great area to fish and nearly the perfect time of year to go. Brookies in the fall? You will be dazzled. Kiyu

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    gotta go there and do that.  it wouldn’t be maudlin, would it? yfitons wayno

No one has written a country western song about it, nor has anyone reported their rod missing.  I would give it a 0.2 on the maudlin potentiometer. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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"Frank Reid" No one has written a country western song about it, I could, but probably wont….. Clark

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"Frank Reid" No one has written a country western song about it, I could, but probably wont….. Clark

To quote an intro off a Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young album, "Here’s a song guaranteed to bring you right down.  Its called, "Don’t let it bring you down."" Who was it that said the perfect country western song’s gotta have "trucks, trains, mothers" and a few other things? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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Who was it that said the perfect country western song’s gotta have "trucks, trains, mothers" and a few other things?

David Allan Coe "…and he told me it was the perfect country and western song I wrote him back a letter and told him it was NOT the perfect country and western song because he hadn’t said anything about Momma, or trains, or trucks, or prison, or gettin’ drunk…" — Charlie…

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Who was it that said the perfect country western song’s gotta have "trucks, trains, mothers" and a few other things?

Wasn’t that Merle?? — Tight Lines! Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com

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"…and he told me it was the perfect country and western song I wrote him back a letter and told him it was NOT the perfect country and western song because he hadn’t said anything about Momma, or trains, or trucks, or prison, or gettin’ drunk…"

"I was drunk the day my ma got out of prison…" Joe F.

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<Snipped "I was drunk the day my ma got out of prison…" Joe F.

Thanks, by the way, this is cool.  Joe’s comment on Charlie’s post arrived on my server first.  Still can’t see Charlie’s post. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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"I was drunk the day my ma got out of prison…" Joe F.

Since I can’t see Charlie’s post, who was it? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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"I was drunk the day my ma got out of prison…" Joe F. Since I can’t see Charlie’s post, who was it?

David Allan Coe. — Charlie…

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"Frank Reid" No one has written a country western song about it, I could, but probably wont….. Clark To quote an intro off a Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young album, "Here’s a song guaranteed to bring you right down.  Its called, "Don’t let it bring you down.""

And then he adds, "It starts out kinda slow and then fizzles out altogether." Russell Some of these threads start out slow. It’s getting them to fizzle out that’s hard.

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To the Group, I am interested in your advice on those fly fishing combos I see in the major catalogs. I am building up bit of a pile in the form of bonus bucks with my credit card and was thinking to treat myself to a nice intermediate level rod/reel combo, but all the different choices are a bit daunting. So, if you had about $200.00 to cash in on a new rod and reel, say 6-8 wt., which make/model would you choose? Thanks, Mike Seeley

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -To the Group, I am interested in your advice on those fly fishing combos I see in the major catalogs. I am building up bit of a pile in the form of bonus bucks with my credit card and was thinking to treat myself to a nice intermediate level rod/reel combo, but all the different choices are a bit daunting. So, if you had about $200.00 to cash in on a new rod and reel, say 6-8 wt., which make/model would you choose? Thanks, Mike Seeley

Check this one out. http://www.ezflyfish.com/ez6wtoutfit.html Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I will second ezflyfish.com  I brought my wife the 5 wt. trout combo last week.  It is a solid buy for the money and ezflyfish/Wilson Creek Outfitters are a class outfit to do business with. Don – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -To the Group, I am interested in your advice on those fly fishing combos I see in the major catalogs. I am building up bit of a pile in the form of bonus bucks with my credit card and was thinking to treat myself to a nice intermediate level rod/reel combo, but all the different choices are a bit daunting. So, if you had about $200.00 to cash in on a new rod and reel, say 6-8 wt., which make/model would you choose? Thanks, Mike Seeley

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Thaks for the tip. Mike

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Say Lou, yesterday I stopped in the LLBean outlet in Perryville.   I got to chatting with one of the staff there about fly fishing, where I go, etc. Happened to mention Penns Creek & the ROFF clave.   He says there was just a guy in there recently who mentioned an upcoming trip to Penns with some internet group.  Was that you, or just a coincidence? Joe F. (Damn near bought some new waders, but managed to get out with my wallet intact.)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What does the Ballet, Opera, and a Pennsylvania Road Construction site have in common? Answer: They are three places you will not see Pennsylvania road construction workers. Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions:   Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later  Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg  I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA  Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday.  All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.                                                       Tom L

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Gentlemen, Where Tom drove to scout road conditions is, like, totally in the opposite direction, or maybe well pas where he drove to get the stream report.

Actually, just a slow circular route. What I’m trying to say here is that he spent the better part of a day away form his family and not fishing just to try and make it easier for some of the folks that are driving in . . .he deserves a big roffian ‘thank you.’

Lest you give them the idea that I was heroic, I did have to meet up with Handyman Mike at the newly-arrived trailer. Plus, I told the camp ownership that I would settle up current finances(actually got money back, somehow) and finally Not to mention that I’ve seen what he drives and rode with him once – and for this report he was most definitely risking his life! john

John, John, John!!! Now, if you will remember, through the haze, I have a new, improved fishing car. I won’t cease to be safe until 2003 sometime. I will, of course drive it until about 2005.                                    thanks for the kind words, though                                      Tom

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Mighta been me. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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Howdy All     Got my trailer down to Hemlock Acres Friday. Winds were wipping me and it all over the hiway 50 MPH max speed most of trip hell i went faster on rte 880 from Carroll to Millhiem. For those comming from the east i don’t think they will be done with construction by clave time. 84 east and west construction free. Around Scranton construction here and there on 81 south maybe they will make it a three lane prepare to go speed limit maybe slower. 80 east and west construction in the old exit 31a and b areas single lane for 4 miles all in all not a bad ride.     All you guys staying at the Cherry Run (aka N.C.Cabin) bring your tents cabin burnt to the ground last week. ( just kidding) Dave have a good trip to Coburn in April.     Handyman   Mike

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Gentlemen, Where Tom drove to scout road conditions is, like, totally in the opposite direction, or maybe well pas where he drove to get the stream report. What I’m trying to say here is that he spent the better part of a day away form his family and not fishing just to try and make it easier for some of the folks that are driving in . . .he deserves a big roffian ‘thank you.’ Not to mention that I’ve seen what he drives and rode with him once – and for this report he was most definitely risking his life! john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions:   Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later  Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg  I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA  Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday.  All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.                                                       Tom L

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He drives like you fish  In all honesty, thanks Tom.  You are the most involved and dedicated Clave Meister around.  Maybe thats why Penn’s is turning out to be the Pennultimate (pun intended) ROFF clave.  saaaaa-LUTE! — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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@slb3.atl.mindspring.net: Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell. Give me a head’s up if this happens, I don’t think I want to camp on the hillside.  I’ll have to look around for better options.  Who knows, maybe I’ll squat on the NC Boys cabin grounds  : ) The Finn

Count me and Joe for two tents for the duration–at least until about thursday.  I might have one more tent for the beginning of the trip, and Andy Cooper will join us sometime.  He sleeps in his voyager. Is the meadow flatter than 75?  Maybe we should take that and forget 75.  I think we can only fit 4 or 5 tents there.  Are there any issues that aren’t coming into play here?  How far is the meadow to the bathroom? Scott

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He drives like you fish  In all honesty, thanks Tom.  You are the most involved and dedicated Clave Meister around.  Maybe thats why Penn’s is turning out to be the Pennultimate (pun intended) ROFF clave.  saaaaa-LUTE! — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

ditto….. you da claveman tom…. you da claveman. –wally

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What does the Ballet, Opera, and a Pennsylvania Road Construction site have in common? Answer: They are three places you will not see Pennsylvania road construction workers.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions:   Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later  Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg  I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA  Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday.  All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.                                                       Tom L

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Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.

Give me a head’s up if this happens, I don’t think I want to camp on the hillside.  I’ll have to look around for better options.  Who knows, maybe I’ll squat on the NC Boys cabin grounds  : ) The Finn

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Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions:     All in all, things look pretty promising so far  Tom L (snipped a great report)

Thanks for the update Tom.I can hardly wait! Regards,Flypaint(Shawn)

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Went up to Coburn today and as promised, have a brief scouting report of travel conditions:   Rte. 322–a bit of construction thru stretch near 83/PA turnpike intersections, and about 3 miles of roadwork narrowing highway just past Lewistown. Otherwise, seems pretty good condition. Found the optimum route to campground from 322, will post details later  Rte 45–trouble free from Millheim east to Lewisburg  I-80–a few miles of construction, but otherwise trouble free across PA  Rte 15/11–no construction from Lewisburg to Selingsgrove. Spring, Penns, Elk and Pine were all running a normal early Spring levels. This would translate into fairly deep and moving quickly. Water in all was limestone greenish, but clear enough in shallows. Water temps reported in upper 40’s to about 50 degrees by late afternoon. Probably a bit colder than that Saturday, due to very cold temps overnight Friday into Saturday.  All in all, things look pretty promising so far Saw the new deflectors, plus a few naturally fallen trees littering the Axelrad stretch above Coburn. Weather today was nippy, with a real good wind going at times. Not a soul fishing, but a few others out walking around. The folks at Hemlock Acres are awaiting the ROFF crew. The Handyman’s trailer is situated on Bishop Road, right off the road to the tent area. Went over final arrangements for clave issues at campground. I think all will be happy with their accomodations. Given relatively sparse number of campers, we may be back on site 75, but time will tell.                                                       Tom L

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In the case of overseas contributions there would obviously be some exceptions. Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stan, leaving mailing to the last week is fraught with danger IMO … too too easy to overcommit, or have some circumstance intervene, and some of us have a little distance to send the blighters .  Perhaps a fortnight or 3 weeks?  Even then there will still be drop-outs. Steve

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25___X__ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14__X____ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30__X____ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

my two cents worth Peter

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40__yes___ 20 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14___yes___ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30__yes____ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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Frank, First, may I start by saying a big thank you for organising the last swap. As a reader of only 4 months standing of this newsgroup (or any newsgroup for that matter) I have enjoyed immeasurably the opportunity to tie so many flies.  I am not a production machine and cannot tie 100+ flies at one sitting (in fact I feel rather pleased if I do about 6 in an hour).  However it has given a focus for my tying and I have really enjoyed the anticipation of receiving the work of so many fellow tiers.  I for one never want to tie another Iron Blue Dun, but if I do I know a. it will take less time than before, b. I will not have to look up the pattern, and c. I’m likely to end up with a  tidier looking fly than before. My Reply to your survey Frank: Q1.    25. See above comment. Also the fewer the numbers, the lower the drop out rate, as people are more likely to meet this commitment. Q2.    21 Days is more than enough. Even for someone who is regularly away, I can usually get to a computer to download messages, and hence sign up for the swap in this time. Q3.    45 Days. To allow postage time from all over the globe. My penny’s worth. Again thanks for the experience. — Alex Bromham

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Frank, First, may I start by saying a big thank you for organising the last swap.

Thanks for the kind words Alex, you guys need to realize I’m getting more fun out of this than ya’ll are.  Your input on the survey is also appreciated, and I will keep all the replies in mind, then do it how I dang well please. (that’s my dark side coming out) <g At some point in the near future, like after the swap is completed, I will post a "lessons learned" missive for the enlightenment of all concerned. Frank Church

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Hi Frank Decision as to size show be up to swiepmeister. How much work is he willing to do. A short signup time – 7 days is enough. Bigger the swap – the longer is needed. 60 days for 40 flies seems about right! Paul – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14______ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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Frank: I had to throw my 2 cents in also. Anxiously awaiting in Wyoming Bob | 1. How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* | consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) | 25____ | 30___X__ | 35_____ | 40_____ | more than 40_____ | | 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? | 14__X____ | 21______ | 30______ | | 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to | me? | 30_____ | 45__X____ | 60______ |

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Frank Wrote seeking our opinions on future fly swaps. I would go for 25 fliews to tie and 30 days to tie the flies after a week to sign up. Big Dale

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Although I haven’t yet participated in a ROFF swap yet, I would like to, time dependant.  Here are my answers to the survey: I have no preference as to the number of tyers, but a good "completion time" period seems to be a ratio, rather than a fixed number – around 1.5 days per tyer, with minimums.  If there are, say 30 tyers, 45 days would seem to be about right and if say, 40 tyers, 60 days.  It would seem if international tyers are in the swap, 45 days would also seem about the minimum to allow for arrival, if all the tyers are in one country, 30 days would seem a minimum, even if just 12-18 tyers.  As to the number of sign-up days, I’m not sure why there needs to be a set period other than as proposed by the swapmeister, and so, therefore, I proxy my vote to the swapmeister.

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Based on the replies I have seen so far, and trying to average out the results, it would seem that lowering the number of tyers is in order, and the time for signup dependant upon the number of participants sought.  Even at 40 tyers this year, I had to turn away several more.  Today, whilst awaiting the remaining 2 yet to arrive (and you know who you are!)   Yes, footdraggers extraordinaire.  I began addressing, labeling and otherwise trying to put things in order before the grand event, ie: sorting all these flies and trying not to get stuck. Another trip to the PO tomorrow as I still am short about 10 mailing boxes.  Because of the weather on the east coast, I was to be on the road today to Evington, VA. but am delayed leaving until Tuesday.  Which means I will be back home by late Wed. 7 March. Consequently, all parcels will be mailed not later than Thursday 8 March. Here is what I am leaning towards in subsequent swaps: Maximum 30 tyers 14 day signup, or 30 tyers, whichever comes first 45 days to deadline, as calculated from the end of signup For those that don’t make the cut in January, someone else can host a swap later in the year…be my guest! :-0 Frank Church

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30_____ 35_____ 40__X___ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14______ 21___X___ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45___X___ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

who’s doing a great job, by the way! Thanks Frank, Herman —         Cheers, Herman         Herman Nijland         Daytime webmaster         Lifetime flyfisher

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Stan, leaving mailing to the last week is fraught with danger IMO … too too easy to overcommit, or have some circumstance intervene, and some of us have a little distance to send the blighters .  Perhaps a fortnight or 3 weeks?  Even then there will still be drop-outs. Steve

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I found there was no reward for my diligence in getting my flies in early! Frank, if you could put in a couple for the clave and send the rest back to me, I’d apprecate it.  I know of a few steelhead I want to show my Pinl Ladies to. Peter Collin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25__XX___ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14_XX_____ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45__XX____ 60______ 4. Should nymphomaniac female fly fishers get extra flys in the swap since

they are "just learning"? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -yes_____ no______ let’s see their offerings first___XX__ only if Stan posts photos______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14______ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30_____ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____

20 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14___X___ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30__X____ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many)

Aside from concern for the swapmeister, quantity wasn’t a big deal for me. Because I’m still honing what few skills I have, being forced to tie a LOT of flies was actually a good thing for me this time.   Just for sheer time & quantites of material, however, more than 40 would be quite a burden for some, I’d expect.   30 seems like a nice number. 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up?

14.   Anybody who can’t make up their mind in two weeks is going to have a tough time getting their flies tied on time <g. 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me?

That would depend on question #1 wouldn’t it?   60 days was comfortable for me to tie 40 flies; but I was done early so I’ll say 45 days. Joe F.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30___X__ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14______ 21___X___ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30______ 45____X__ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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1.  How many people…..

The more the merrier 2.  How many days…..

Swapmeisters discretion 3.  How many days…..

Ditto. Wolfgang

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1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many)

30 works for me. 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up?

14.  Hell, it took less time than that to get 40 tiers this time, didn’t it? 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me?

45 Keith

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There has been some debate and opinions offered as to how to run The 3rd Annual Great Fly Swap of 2002, so I will run a little survey here and ask that only flytiers and potential swappers weigh in, hey this ain’t a big deal, just want to run a democratic swap. 1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. (do *not* consider the swapmeister in your opinion, I don’t care how many) 25_____ 30__X___ 35_____ 40_____ more than 40_____ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14___X___ 21______ 30______ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30__X____ 45______ 60______ See, now that wasn’t hard was it?  I’ll be interested to see how this breaks down. Ye Olde Slopmeister

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Steve

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1.  How many people should be allowed to participate in the swap. 25__X__ 2. How many days should be alloted for sign-up? 14__X___ 3. After all are signed up, how many days alloted to send the flies in to me? 30__X___ I think the major problem we have is too long a lag from signup to delivery and thus the 5-6 dropouts we’ve seen in the last two swaps.  I would suggest a 30 day window for tying and mailing but suggest that nobody mail them in until the last week.  At that time we should ask again who’s in and out and we can adjust the final count before mailing in so many extras.  I don’t mind tying extras, when I’m in production mode, I tie a dozen or so extras for my fly box anyways.  I like the idea of making a set or two for handing out as a clave donation, but 5-6 is pushing it. –Stan

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Observations are exactly what I’m looking for and I appreciate yours. How did you find the rod builder and what made you decide to go with them vs. others?

Ian:  I’ve purchased two custom rods.  One from a local guy I knew, who did really nice work.  The other was to support a TU fundraiser – but it was also a beautiful rod that I would have purchased anyway, even though I didn’t know the craftsman.  For the price, I don’t think you can ever surpass a custom rod by a quality builder, which is why I would buy one again. mark faulkner

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Observations are exactly what I’m looking for and I appreciate yours. How did you find the rod builder and what made you decide to go with them vs. others

In my case the rod builder is a member of our local flyfishing club.I had seen his work and I liked it so I went with him as a rodbuilder. Big Dale

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Well…to be honest ALL my rods are custom rods.  I build them myself. It costs considerably less.  If people only knew how EASY it was to build good rods, and how much less expensive, there would be a lot fewer commercial rods being sold. The only reasons I would by a custom rod are: 1) they are a technology I cannot build (like bamboo) 2) I know the builder and want a keepsake 3) the builder does something particularly artful (like fancy threadwork) and I have more money than I know what do to with — James A. Foster                                Assoc. Prof Center for Secure & Dependable Computing/SCI   U. of Idaho http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster              208.885.7062 pgp key at: ftp://ftp.cs.uidaho.edu/pub/foster/pgp-key.asc

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SNIP . I won’t turn this into a commercial post by hawking my wares

SNIP So….get any inquiries . . .? john

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A couple of things. Are you referring to ‘hand built rods’ or rods built to ‘custom specifications’ ?. I don’t mean to be obtuse, but some anglers have asked for more (or less) guides than the ’store bought’ ones. I have 1/2 dozen ‘hand built’ rods that out-perform anything made in a factory.  Spines are aligned perfectly, and guides are positioned for optimum performance.   But this builder designed the blanks, and tests each one individually, before wrapping.  They go as far as to hand turn the corks, and ensure the ‘foot’ of each guide does not cut the finish of the rod.  (lifetime guarantee, and they cost lots) Another company’s ‘hand built’ rod was so awful, I returned it within a month. Turns out, they can build rods, but not very well.  Others found 8 weight tips on 6 weight butts.   (If something broke, they took whatever piece was available, and put it together.)   Just because he could wrap guides on a blank, did not make him a ‘rod builder’.  And he claimed that he manufactured his own blanks.  Fat Chance. Just an unskilled entrepeneur trying to enter a niche market. Regards – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m a custom rod builder. I won’t turn this into a commercial post by hawking my wares but I’d like to hear some opinions on why you would or would not consider buying a custom fly rod instead vs. factory rod, or why you have/haven’t bought one in the past, assuming the price was the same for each. I’m just curious about the perceptions out there. Cheers, Ian McAllister Rodworks

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I’m a custom rod builder. I won’t turn this into a commercial post by hawking my wares but I’d like to hear some opinions on why you would or would not consider buying a custom fly rod instead vs. factory rod, or why you have/haven’t bought one in the past, assuming the price was the same for each. I’m just curious about the perceptions out there.

I’ve considered this issue often and have bought from both sides of the proverbial fence ("store bought" and "custom"). What generally makes my decision is when I want a specific rod with specific components that I can’t get from the manufacturer at any reasonable price. So to my collection of lovely store-bought Winstons and fully functional if not as "pretty" Sages, I have a number of custom rolled rods built on IM6 blanks, and a salt water casting cannon custom built on a Loomis GLX blank – with ultra-premium hardware – and with threadwork and finish that’ll make you pee your pants… All of these rods came with warranty cards for the blanks and were built by either my dad or Dan Trela (a small plug for DT Kustom Rods)… /daytripper

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I’d like to hear some opinions on why you would or would not consider buying a custom fly rod instead vs. factory rod, or why you have/haven’t bought one in the past, assuming the price was the same for each. I’m just curious about the perceptions out there. Some purchasers may be concerned about the warranty.  Unless the manufacturer of the blank is passing through its warranty (I’m not sure if manufacturers do that or not), the only warranty available is what you would provide.  To put it bluntly, if you skip off to Siberia or die next year, who’s around to honor the warranty even if you offered one?  The odds are much better that Orvis. Loomis, etc. will be around if and when you need the warranty.

I build Sage blanks and I pass on the Sage warranty card to the purchaser. I’m not sure about other blank manufacturers though. I warranty the rest of the rod and I can see your point on that. Cheers, Ian McAllister Rodworks

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I also think that rods can be an impulse buy for some people.  Getting a custom rod made takes time. No instant gratification. It’s the same thing with cars, most people buy off the lot instead of waiting for a car to be made to their specifications. Willi

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I build Sage blanks and I pass on the Sage warranty card to the purchaser. I’m not sure about other blank manufacturers though. I warranty the rest of the rod and I can see your point on that.

Ian – I should add that I have purchased custom made rods – for the same reasons noted by Big Dale in his response.  My comments were not meant as a criticism, just an observation in response to your inquiry. Mark Faulkner

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[SNIP] Ian – I should add that I have purchased custom made rods – for the same reasons noted by Big Dale in his response.  My comments were not meant as a criticism, just an observation in response to your inquiry. Mark Faulkner

Observations are exactly what I’m looking for and I appreciate yours. How did you find the rod builder and what made you decide to go with them vs. others? Cheers, Ian McAllister Rodworks

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I’m a custom rod builder. I won’t turn this into a commercial post by hawking my wares but I’d like to hear some opinions on why you would or would not consider buying a custom fly rod instead vs. factory rod, or why you have/haven’t bought one in the past, assuming the price was the same for each. I’m just curious about the perceptions out there. Cheers, Ian McAllister Rodworks

I think as said before most really cannot tell what they are getting in a custom unless they have one in thier hand. You can go to any shop and take a look at any factory rod and decide what you like. As for custom well, unless you know of someone who has a rod from a particular rodmaker, or the rodmaker has an outstanding reputation, you really have to take a chance. Most of us who have really just started out as rodmakers know what that is like, most customers will inquire and are not sure. Most anglers really are looking for cosmetic quality in a custom rod, they feel if its custom it needs to be perfect. I agree, but most will not want to pay the price for the special attention to detail nedded to acheive this quality. So they end up with factory rod with poor cosmetics, then if they are not satisfied they can simply return the rod to the factory and get another. Now the anglers who are looking for performance more than likely will go to the custom rodmaker because they want a quality performing rod. This way they can relay information to the rodmaker and get a rod that performs to their specific needs. May be a nymphing rod or dry fly rod, in anycase they get what they want. Warranty is another issue, for most rodmakers its simply not reasonable to give a lifetime warranty on custom jobs. Some do, but I feel with the attitude of most warranty lovers, rodmakers will be repairing rods for nothing for quite sometime.

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or would not consider buying a custom fly rod instead vs. factory rod,

I had a rod built for me a few years ago. I ordered the Scott rod blank from their local dealer and gathered the parts I wanted for the rod and had a guy build it for me. It ist one of their old style 8′8"`3`weight rods. I wanted a cap and sliding ring reel seat with a rosewood insert. Scott did  not make one like that and I hate the sliding ring set-up over cork. The guy did a beautiful job: I got what I wanted; itcost no more than a factory rod would have cost;and I could not be happier. It is still my favorite rod for fishing for my beloved bluegills out of a boat. I think that just about says it all….isn’t this what custom built rods are all about?   Big Dale

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I agree that warranty and name are  strong selling points. I never buy a rod unless I have fondled it and cast it, custom rod builders are unfortunately not usually down the street where I can do this. Jim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’d like to hear some opinions on why you would or would not consider buying a custom fly rod instead vs. factory rod, or why you have/haven’t bought one in the past, assuming the price was the same for each. I’m just curious about the perceptions out there. Some purchasers may be concerned about the warranty.  Unless the manufacturer of the blank is passing through its warranty (I’m not sure if manufacturers do that or not), the only warranty available is what you would provide.  To put it bluntly, if you skip off to Siberia or die next year, who’s around to honor the warranty even if you offered one?  The odds are much better that Orvis. Loomis, etc. will be around if and when you need the warranty. Mark Faulkner

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I’d like to hear some opinions on why you would or would not consider buying a custom fly rod instead vs. factory rod, or why you have/haven’t bought one in the past, assuming the price was the same for each. I’m just curious about the perceptions out there.

Some purchasers may be concerned about the warranty.  Unless the manufacturer of the blank is passing through its warranty (I’m not sure if manufacturers do that or not), the only warranty available is what you would provide.  To put it bluntly, if you skip off to Siberia or die next year, who’s around to honor the warranty even if you offered one?  The odds are much better that Orvis. Loomis, etc. will be around if and when you need the warranty. Mark Faulkner

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I’d like to hear some opinions on why you would or would not consider buying a custom fly rod instead vs. factory rod, or why you have/haven’t bought one in the past, assuming the price was the same for each. I’m just curious about the perceptions out there. Some purchasers may be concerned about the warranty.  Unless the manufacturer of the blank is passing through its warranty (I’m not sure if manufacturers do that or not),

Generally they do … you should check with the manufacturer or a authorized retail dealer. You should note though that they will only warranty the blank and the warranty may be void if in their opinion the blank failure was related to the work done by the custom rod builder. RalphH

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I’m a custom rod builder. I won’t turn this into a commercial post by hawking my wares but I’d like to hear some opinions on why you would or would not consider buying a custom fly rod instead vs. factory rod, or why you have/haven’t bought one in the past, assuming the price was the same for each. I’m just curious about the perceptions out there. Cheers, Ian McAllister Rodworks

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I maybe taking a job in Deerfield, IL (Lake county) and will probably live in Northern Illinois or Souther Wisconsin.  Can Anyone tell me what to expect in the way of Fishing.  I am currently Living in CT where there is fishing aplenty.  Any info would be greatly appreciated. Jon

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I maybe taking a job in Deerfield, IL (Lake county) and will probably live in Northern Illinois or Souther Wisconsin.  Can Anyone tell me what to expect in the way of Fishing.

The only fly fishing in Northern Illinois is for bass, crappie, blue gill, and other pan fish.  At times it can be very good. Wisconsin is another story.  South-west Wisconsin is loaded with some of the finest spring creeks around.  They are teaming with browns, rainbows, and brookies.  South-east all along Lake Michigan has many streams with runs of steelhead, and salmon. There is a lot of great fly fishing in Wisconsin. Joel Axelrad

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Hello All: I took my wife to a large flyfishing show in East Brunswick, NJ, and she was very taken by the pictures of the Atlantic Salmon that several of the Mirimichi lodges showed.  Now she wants to go!  Some problem, eh? Does anyone have suggestions as to where to go Atlantic salmon fishing with a wife and come back happily married.  She’s not a terribly prissy type, but reasonably nice accomodations and decent food would be appreciated. She also likes to catch fish–i.e. she’s not happy to be skunked. We’re calling the lodges that displayed at the show, and also those advertising in the usual Fly magazines.  If anyone has any personal experience and recommendations I’d appreciate your input. Thanks.                         Bill BTW, if possible, I’d appreciate reply by email in case I miss your postings here.

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I have been visiting a lodge called Wade’s (Winter Tel. 506 384 2229, summer 506 843 6416) for a few years now, and can recommend it pretty much without reservation. You can fish both the Miramichi and Cains, and the fishing is as good there as anywhere else I have found. I go for the fishing and quality of the guides, but the rooms, food and general ambience are well above average for a salmon fishing camp. Your wife would feel quite comfortable. Note that Wade’s is not cheap, however. Newfoundland is also fishing very well, and if you are willing to fly rather than drive there are also several excellent options on the Rock.

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best?

I fished a bright green egg pattern last weekend and caught a nice 14 inch native Rainbow.  The egg had a little flash on it and very light hackle.  When I tied it on I didn’t really expect much, but then I wasn’t doing much with the regular fare anyway.  The egg pattern pulled the Rainbow out of the depths of a pool. Try it, what the heck!  If the dry flies and usual nymphs aren’t working, try anything!  You never know. Bob, Moss Landing, Ca.

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? I fished a bright green egg pattern last weekend and caught a nice 14 inch native Rainbow.  The egg had a little flash on it and very light hackle.  

Hackle on an egg? I’ve tied a bunch of egg patterns and took the idea behind the "double egg sperm" salmon pattern I’ve seen.  I just tied a single egg in this case but put a couple of wisps of white marabou just in front of the egg.  I gave a handful of these to a friend and he did real well with them on a trip to the Trinity, CA area a couple of years ago.  His buddies were using "standard" egg patterns and they only caught smaller and fewer fish. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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What’s the difference between Glo-Bugs and Pautzkee’s ? A jar of glowbugs would cost $1,423.87 TimW

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity. It used to be a real secret or just the fact that no one used eggs flies other than during the spawning time, but a small egg fly pattern catches trout ALL year.  Instead of fishing a nymph during the Summer switch to a small, well tied egg fly.  You will find that the "Two Strand" method will tie the smallest fly.  Don’t tell any one that I spilled the beans. This pattern will be successful typically anywhere that fish have been reared in a hatchery in their life span. Although, I have fished some remote streams in Georgia that were filled with stream reared ‘wild’ fish which also take them. Another secret relating to ‘egg’ patterns is to visit your local craft store and purchase a pack of ‘pom poms’ at 60 cents for 50 or so. These come in a variety of sizes with 9 mm being the most likely but I have used and caught some large fish on a size of about .5 inch in diameter. Colors of tan, pink and even a red color are available. The tan being a good color where fish have been fed(all over in Georgia for larger angling). These can be easily tied on the hook of your choice but a smaller hook(14 or 16) is best as fish are less likely to feel the hook before you have a chance of getting a set. Just don’t buy my supply and don’t use them where I’m fishing(it will make me look bad). Regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

Joe, thought about that a while ago. How do you fix the pom-balls on the hook, just superglue?? Thomas

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All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity. It used to be a real secret or just the fact that no one used eggs flies other than during the spawning time, but a small egg fly pattern catches trout ALL year.  Instead of fishing a nymph during the Summer switch to a small, well tied egg fly.  You will find that the "Two Strand" method will tie the smallest fly.  Don’t tell any one that I spilled the beans.

This pattern will be successful typically anywhere that fish have been reared in a hatchery in their life span. Although, I have fished some remote streams in Georgia that were filled with stream reared ‘wild’ fish which also take them. Another secret relating to ‘egg’ patterns is to visit your local craft store and purchase a pack of ‘pom poms’ at 60 cents for 50 or so. These come in a variety of sizes with 9 mm being the most likely but I have used and caught some large fish on a size of about .5 inch in diameter. Colors of tan, pink and even a red color are available. The tan being a good color where fish have been fed(all over in Georgia for larger angling). These can be easily tied on the hook of your choice but a smaller hook(14 or 16) is best as fish are less likely to feel the hook before you have a chance of getting a set. Just don’t buy my supply and don’t use them where I’m fishing(it will make me look bad). Regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Thanks, Jon Kreski —

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Thanks, Jon Kreski –Oh yeah, stocked rainbows love them, haven’t had much luck with natives. But I would imagine

during the rainbow spawning period, they would take them just like salmon do.  I’ve also caught suckers on them. Vince

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A tip… A guide showed me this trick and it has been very, very effective for me. We were sight casting to large bows with a 2 fly system, a glow bug and a small biot nymph on the dropper. EVERY single time (like 10 in a row), the fish would see the big honkin’ glow bug and investigate it and then SLAM the biot nymph. I fish a 2 fly glo-bug or big-fly/little-fly combo all of the time. TimW

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: Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern? Yes. : What conditions (time of year : water types, etc.) would be best?   Any water conditions, mostly when other fish are spawing. : What sort of presentation would be best? Dead drift is usually best but I do get quite a few fish on the swing. : Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Pretty much any fish should take a glo-bug. I catch and release hundreds of rainbows, dollies, whitefish and cutthroat every year with them. I’ve been fishing them the last 2 weeks, since the salmon started showing up, and have been averaging 20-25 rainbows and about the same in whitefish every afternoon I’ve been out (3-4 times per week). Largest rainbow landed so far has been about 5 lbs. Quite a few of them actually. Largest rainbow lost, about 10 lbs. (damn fluorocarbon tippet!!!!!). Brad

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A tip… A guide showed me this trick and it has been very, very effective for me. We were sight casting to large bows with a 2 fly system, a glow bug and a small biot nymph on the dropper. EVERY single time (like 10 in a row), the fish would see the big honkin’ glow bug and investigate it and then SLAM the biot nymph. I fish a 2 fly glo-bug or big-fly/little-fly combo all of the time. TimW

This is also a popular method  used on the large British reservoirs/lakes. "Teams of flys"  specifically chosen for enticement and imitation. It defintely adds a new dimension to matching the hatch. Gary McMeekin

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All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity.

It used to be a real secret or just the fact that no one used eggs flies other than during the spawning time, but a small egg fly pattern catches trout ALL year.  Instead of fishing a nymph during the Summer switch to a small, well tied egg fly.  You will find that the "Two Strand" method will tie the smallest fly.  Don’t tell any one that I spilled the beans. Yippi Tie One On AuSable 1

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Thanks, Jon Kreski —

Other trout will definitely take egg pattern. The best time starts right know with the start of the trout spawning season. Tie some trout eggs (e.g. salmon eggs with orange glow bug yarn in size18 or try Gary LaFontaines pattern in size 18-20) and fish it dead drift. The non spawning guys get crazy over it…. Thomas

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best?

Rainbows are big time egg eaters.  In rivers with spawning salmon they’ll hang below the redds waiting for eggs to drift out.  In other streams they’ll eat sucker and squawfish eggs.  In those streams your glo bug should be pretty small and the color muted.  A big, orange, salmon egg type pattern probably won’t do it.   Ross

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern?

All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity. — -Wayne Trzyna

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As I am a rookie to this sport, bare withe me on this question. I understand how and why the leader is to be attached to a floating line, but what function does the tippet serve? Do you/should you always use a tippet with leader? I am guessing there must be specific leader size to tippet size you need to use in combo? Any information on this is very much appreciated. John

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John,         The tippet merely extends the leader to allow for material loss during the changing of flies.  It preserves the integrity of your leader. Use the same size tippet as the X# of your leader, or one size smaller if you want to extend your fly range a bit. Tight threads, Charley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As I am a rookie to this sport, bare withe me on this question. I understand how and why the leader is to be attached to a floating line, but what function does the tippet serve? Do you/should you always use a tippet with leader? I am guessing there must be specific leader size to tippet size you need to use in combo? Any information on this is very much appreciated. John

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As I am a rookie to this sport, bare withe me on this question. I understand how and why the leader is to be attached to a floating line, but what function does the tippet serve? Do you/should you always use a tippet with leader? I am guessing there must be specific leader size to tippet size you need to use in combo? Any information on this is very much appreciated.

There are a number of different things that you can put between the end of your fly line and the fly.   One of the most commonly used methods is to purchase a "tapered" leader which, in essense, includes the tippet.  The tippet is basically defined as the last section of line upon which you tie your fly.  After changing flies several times you’ll use up much of the end section of the leader to a point where the diameter of the line is too big and/or the leader is too short.  At that time you can tie some "tippet material" (basically monofiliment that is a smaller diameter then the rest of your leader) so that you can keep using the leader portion. Some people make their own "tapered" leaders by tying short sections of progressively smaller diameter line together.  The smallest diameter section is the tippet and can be replaced when needed. One of the latest "innovations" is a braided loop leader.  A loop of braided material is attached to the flyline using a "chinese finger puzzle" type connection with some shrink wrap tubing.  The braided loop leader is a 6′ section of tapered monofiliment with a braided loop on one end.  That is looped through the loop on the flyline and then all you need to do is tie on 3′ or so of whatever pound test line that you’d like to the end of the leader for your tippet.   — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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As I am a rookie to this sport, bare withe me on this question. I understand how and why the leader is to be attached to a floating line, but what function does the tippet serve? Do you/should you always use a tippet with leader? I am guessing there must be specific leader size to tippet size you need to use in combo? Any information on this is very much appreciated. John

A tippet is the last part of the leader.  On new tapered leaders, it is the last approximately 20 inches.  This is quickly used up tying on new flies, so it must be replaced with another from a tippet spool. You can vary the length and size of the tippet according to conditions (fly size, currents, water clarity, etc.)  The idea is to have the tippet land between straight out (too heavy or short) and piled up (too light and long): with slight curves to allow a drag-free float, and the right amount of slack to set the hook.  There is no rule to achieve this, although dividing the fly size by four is a good place to start the trial and error process. Jim Benenson Los Alamos, NM "To save your rivers, save your mountains" Emperor Yu of China, circa 1600 BC

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As I am a rookie to this sport, bare withe me on this question. I understand how and why the leader is to be attached to a floating line, but what function does the tippet serve? Do you/should you always use a tippet with leader? I am guessing there must be specific leader size to tippet size you need to use in combo? Any information on this is very much appreciated. John

John – Leaders used for fly fishing are tapered.  They begin thick and end thin.  The higher the "X" number, the finer the end will be. Therefore, a 9 foot,  4X leader will be very thick where you attach it to the fly line, and will taper down to a specific diameter.  That diameter of line at the end of the leader is what "4X" means.  The first tapered leaders were made up of several pieces of leader material tied together in successively smaller diameters until the desired terminal diameter was reached.  This last piece of leader is called the "tippet".  It is important, because that is the line that is closest to the fish.  You can still buy or make for yourself "knotted" leaders (I make my own), but many people prefer the newer "knotless" leaders.  But whether it is knotted or knotless, a leader still has a tippet at the end.  And as you fish and change flies, the tippet will get used up, and the leader will get too short and too thick.  So the flyfisher must be able to periodically tie a new tippet on the end of the leader, or else just replace the entire leader when the tippet is used up.  The latter option is, among other things, expensive. So what should you do?  If you are using knotless leaders, I suggest that you buy them one size larger (in diameter) than the tippet you want.  Then tie a 2-3 foot piece of tippet on the end of the leader before you ever use it.  Then you will know when the tippet is used up and can replace it before the taper of the leader is destroyed.  I suggest learning to tie the double surgeons knot to attach the tippet to the leader.  It is easier to tie and stronger than a blood knot. I hope this is helpful! Tight lines,       Gene

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This is probably fly fishing heresy, but I’ve stopped using tapered leaders altogether when fishing streamers and wet flies. I’ve found a straight piece of 4-lb. Stren just as effective for these situations and far less prone  to tangling, especially if I’m using extra weight on the leader.   Plus, I spend less time tying new tippets on the tapered leaders which I really need for dry-fly and nymph fishing.

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This is probably fly fishing heresy, but I’ve stopped using tapered leaders altogether when fishing streamers and wet flies. I’ve found a straight piece of 4-lb. Stren just as effective for these situations and far less prone  to tangling, especially if I’m using extra weight on the leader.   Plus, I spend less time tying new tippets on the tapered leaders which I really need for dry-fly and nymph fishing.

Beyond that, I just spoke to an _excellent_ nymph fisher who uses a level line 90% of the time.  He uses mostly weighted nymphs, and says the level line really turns ‘em over.  BTW, this is not a joke.  I saw a Cortland level line on his reel.. Cost: $7  Can you imagnine what this could do to the flyline market? Jim Benenson Los Alamos, NM "To save your rivers, save your mountains" Emperor Yu of China, circa 1600 BC

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I am about ready to purchase a float tube but have recently seen adds for Pontoon Kick Boats.  Now I am really confused with so many options. I have tried a float tube and like it.  Is a kick boat really worth the additional cost or should I stay with the basics?  If I were to go with the kick boat, which model would give me the best performance for the cost?

I’v tried both ans still prefer the manueverability of a tube. Bob McDuffee Network Services Manager, WICHE Office:303.541.0299 Fax:303.541.0291

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Whether something is worth the cost is pretty subjective.  I bought a float tube for about $150 a couple of years ago.  It works just fine.   I’ve never been tempted by U-boats, kick boats, pontoon boats or whatever "this year’s greatest invention of the century" the manufacturers can think of.

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I stepped up to a pontoon boat (the Leigh) after wearing float tubes since the 70s.  I don’t plan to wear a float tube again.  Except for the weight, there’s no comparison in ease,etc.  Also on price.  The basic boat I have runs $325 — not much more than some tubes.  ’Course you can run that up considerably with oars and accessories.  I got the oars but seldom use them on stillwater unless I expect considerable wind. Dick Hubbard

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am about ready to purchase a float tube but have recently seen adds for Pontoon Kick Boats.  Now I am really confused with so many options. I have tried a float tube and like it.  Is a kick boat really worth the additional cost or should I stay with the basics?  If I were to go with the kick boat, which model would give me the best performance for the cost? I’v tried both ans still prefer the manueverability of a tube. Bob McDuffee Network Services Manager, WICHE Office:303.541.0299 Fax:303.541.0291 Hi I have fished with boats, they both have their advantages.U-BOATS are great for backbacking and small lakes.Were a kick boat is great with oars on large lakes but costs double the price of a u-boat

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Can’t beat the price and portability of a U-boat for small lakes. If going to fish large windy lakes or reservoirs-get a pontoon boat.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am about ready to purchase a float tube but have recently seen adds for Pontoon Kick Boats.  Now I am really confused with so many options. I have tried a float tube and like it.  Is a kick boat really worth the additional cost or should I stay with the basics?  If I were to go with the kick boat, which model would give me the best performance for the cost? I’v tried both ans still prefer the manueverability of a tube. Bob McDuffee Network Services Manager, WICHE Office:303.541.0299 Fax:303.541.0291 Hi I have fished with boats, they both have their advantages.U-BOATS are great for

backbacking and small lakes.Were a kick boat is great with oars on la I have a tube, a U-boat, and a pontoon boat.  After using the U-boat and pontoon, I think the tube is very awkward and can be dangerous in some situations.  The additional price for the U shape is absolutly worth the additinoal price.  Do not get a regular tube! The difference between a U-boat and a pontoon boat is less imporant, but significant.  The pontoon sits you up higher so you can cast farther and see more fish.  The pontoon is easier to manouver, except in a side-wind.  The pontoon is more stable and more comfortable, and many can accomodate a rowing frame. I have a Caddis tube, a Creek Company U-Boat, and a Super Cat pontoon boat. Tight lines. -Doug (Olympia WA)

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Bruce, I use a SuperCat 60 produced in the Seattle area after having used a float tube for several years.  I love the pontoon boat.  I stay warmer, its easier on my knees, and I have a rowing frame for windy or when-I’m-in-a-hurry conditions.  The only drawback I’ve seen other than slightly increased weight for packing in somewhere is the cost.  If you can afford it, I’d go pontoon boat.  If not, tubes are wonderful anyway.

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Hello, Due to a nice gift certificate I now can comment on two low-end pontoon boats. I have a JW Outfitters Osprey ($300 two years ago) and a new Bucks Bag Colt ($200 now). I highly recommend either the Uboat design or pontoon boats, simply because of the ease of entry/exit.  I consider it a matter both of convenience and Valuable Fishing Time.  It matters because we always seem to wait too long before heading for shore for those necessary short breaks; at these times every second counts (removing smells from waders was another thread). I have been using the JW Osprey for two full seasons and really like it. I have only used the Bucks Colt once but have a few comments on both.  I think both are excellent fishing platforms and well worth the price if you can afford them. The Osprey is bigger and higher, a true pontoon boat as only your legs touch the water.  The Bucks Colt is shorter, stubbier and lower; functionally not much different than a Uboat. The JW Osprey (their lowest cost model) seat is well above the water; it is feasible to go without waders in warm weather, though your butt will get wet from splash.  With the seat out of the water it is possible to go much faster because of less water resistance.  For the same reason it is blown around by the wind more.  It is also more difficult to kick without surface disturbance, which can be very important in the shallows. The seat on the JW is of mesh supported by an aluminum tube framework. Your thighs rest on the forward crosstube and this is uncomfortable at first; I got sore the first few times but have built up muscles there. You have to keep the straps very tight to keep the seat from sagging. Cramps and soreness are pretty common complaints from beginners with any float tube until you get the right muscles developed. Over about 80 – 100 days of use, the seat supports are wearing out and I have had to reinforce the seatback.  The seat doesn’t offer great back support. New models seem to have a more rugged seat but I’m not sure how well it supports. To really enjoy the Osprey it is important to really blow up the tubes and pull the straps tight. The JW Osprey can be taken down completely to the aluminum tube pieces, the seat web and the pontoons, so it can be more compact and individual pieces can be stashed wherever they fit so it is pretty packable in a duffle or suitcase. To assemble it from this stage takes about fifteen minutes including blowing it up. The Bucks has a molded plastic seat that is comfortable for me.  You sit just below the water level so you push a little surface when you paddle, so it’s top speed is more like a Vboat or Uboat. You’d be wet from the waist down without waders.  The rigid seat makes it less compact but it folds into about a 2′ square. It has more support in the lower back area and is very comfortable, even for a beginner, as long as your butt fits the molded seat. The Bucks has hypalon or some covering on the underside of the pontoon tubes, the JW outfitters shows a little abrasion wear on the nylon fabric (more expensive models of JW have hypalon coverings). The Bucks has more pocket space, though stuff in the big pocket in the seat gets wet. It can fold up compact with the tubes together after inflating and with add-on strappsd can be packed.  Both are of similar weight – around 10-15 lbs. The same straps can be used to carry the JW, but it is still about five feet wide  (JW has a "backpacker" model better for this). The only nuisance I found with the Bucks Colt was a lack of velcro tiedowns to secure the rod while changing flies, smoking etc.  I can easily add some.  And no stable deck on which to rest a beer – I set it in a pocket and the zipper holds it. If budget is your main concern, get any float tube and get started as it is an enjoyable way to fish, but if you can afford to get a pontoon boat. Mark Vinsel couch potato no, floating tuber yes Visit my gallery: http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.HTML

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I am about ready to purchase a float tube but have recently seen adds for Pontoon Kick Boats.  Now I am really confused with so many options. I have tried a float tube and like it.  Is a kick boat really worth the additional cost or should I stay with the basics?  If I were to go with the kick boat, which model would give me the best performance for the cost?

I have had a kick boat called a Waterwagon for about 15 years, and consider it ideal for flyfishing in lakes and ponds.  It is higher off the water than a float tube, and although I haven’t used any of the inflatable pontoon style kick boats, this seems like a superior design because of its rigidity, portability, and so on.  I don’t know if the WaterWagon company is still in business, but there are similar styles out there.  One was shown in a photo in this year’s magazine, FFing for Bass and Panfish. The waterwagon is a flat styrofoam "boat" about, 3×5′ and 6" thick, shaped like this:                           —        –                                            |  |      |  |                                            |  |      |  |        It is reinforced with aluminum pipe |    —–   | and the pipe reinforcing     is exposed in |      x     | front at the open end of the "U".  You sit |            | at the "x" with your flippered feet hanging       |            | in the water from about mid-shin  down.  Since only your|            | feet are in don’t wear waders in water down to about 55.  It weighs about 20 lbs., and is easy to carry over your shoulder, leaving the other hand free for rod and flippers.  It easily carries a small cooler, a second rod, etc., fits in the back of a pick up or is easy to car-top.      It is highly maneuverable, leaves both hands free to handle line and rod, keeps you up high out of the water so drooping backcasts are not a problem, and has nothing to catch your loose line on.  With good fins it is reasonably fast (a slow walking speed), and it is very stable.  I commonly cross a 300 yard arm of a local lake on it, and in an afternoon will often fish about a mile of shoreline, cross over and fish a mile or so back.      Any bass over about 3 lbs. will tow you around a bit.  Overall, I think it’s the best of all possible boats for lake and pond fishing!  It’s better that a bass boat with a trolling motor, because it leaves your hands completely free and still doesn’t put a bunch of stuff on the floor to tangle your line on.  It’s even better that having a partner paddle you in a canoe, because you are in complete control of how far or close to the bank you want to be. Mine cost around $200 10-12 years ago, and I wouldn’t bat hesitate spending 2 or 3 times that amount to replace it, since there is nothing that I know that compares to it for fishing convenience. The only drawbacks are that you move backwards and a right handed FFer will normally be most comfortable moving parallel to a shoreline fishing the left hand bank.  I spent a very frustating 10 minutes going in circles when I started using it, but got accustomed to manuvering it with my feet on the first trip and never thought about it since.   — University of Illinois at Springfield

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: I am about ready to purchase a float tube but have recently seen adds for : Pontoon Kick Boats.  Now I am really confused with so many options. : I have tried a float tube and like it.  Is a kick boat really worth the : additional cost or should I stay with the basics?  If I were to go with : the kick boat, which model would give me the best performance for the : cost? I have been using a kick boat for a few years now and I really like it.   They are better in a few ways.  You can go in shallower water.  You get less cold because you are not IN the water as much.  The casting platform is higher off the water so casting is a bit easier. I’d love to have one of the new commercial kick boats, they look REALLY nice! — Bruce Conner

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I am about ready to purchase a float tube but have recently seen adds for Pontoon Kick Boats.  Now I am really confused with so many options. I have tried a float tube and like it.  Is a kick boat really worth the additional cost or should I stay with the basics?  If I were to go with the kick boat, which model would give me the best performance for the cost?

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