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In today’s Oregonian there was an article about a guy fishing the Rogue River in southern Oregon, landing a 71 lb – 8 oz. Chinook on a fly this past Monday. The report said he was using 7 lb. tippet, which would make this fish a world record for that line class. When confirmed, it would also be the largest Chinook caught on a fly. The fly used was described as having; "chartreuse hackle and some rainbow mylar on a #8 hook. The fly was tied by the angler. The report didn’t say how long it took him to land it, but I would imagine it took awhile!

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In today’s Oregonian there was an article about a guy fishing the Rogue River in southern Oregon, landing a 71 lb – 8 oz. Chinook on a fly this past Monday. The report said he was using 7 lb. tippet, which would make this fish a world record for that line class. When confirmed, it would also be the largest Chinook caught on a fly. The fly used was described as having; "chartreuse hackle and some rainbow mylar on a #8 hook. The fly was tied by the angler. The report didn’t say how long it took him to land it, but I would imagine it took awhile!

Bill Kiene sent me a photo of that fish. I’ll post it on ABPF in a few minutes.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In today’s Oregonian there was an article about a guy fishing the Rogue River in southern Oregon, landing a 71 lb – 8 oz. Chinook on a fly this past Monday. The report said he was using 7 lb. tippet, which would make this fish a world record for that line class. When confirmed, it would also be the largest Chinook caught on a fly. The fly used was described as having; "chartreuse hackle and some rainbow mylar on a #8 hook. The fly was tied by the angler. The report didn’t say how long it took him to land it, but I would imagine it took awhile! Bill Kiene sent me a photo of that fish. I’ll post it on ABPF in a few minutes.

Whoa. /daytripper (That there’s a whole lot of big damned salmon, sho nuff.)

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Steve, You need to come to Sacto soon (before it gets to darn cold) so I can take you boating down in the Delta for stripers. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In today’s Oregonian there was an article about a guy fishing the Rogue River in southern Oregon, landing a 71 lb – 8 oz. Chinook on a fly this past Monday. The report said he was using 7 lb. tippet, which would make this fish a world record for that line class. When confirmed, it would also be the largest Chinook caught on a fly. The fly used was described as having; "chartreuse hackle and some rainbow mylar on a #8 hook. The fly was tied by the angler. The report didn’t say how long it took him to land it, but I would imagine it took awhile! Bill Kiene sent me a photo of that fish. I’ll post it on ABPF in a few minutes.

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A man could feed a family of four for a week with that big sumbitch.                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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Think caddis flies in June, Frank.  Green Rock Worm, tan LaFontaine caddis emerger, throw in a few small PTs (they always work) and a few Goddard Caddis, and voila, you’re there. Dave Well, I’ll start tying now if I can find my vise.  Now, wasn’t that on top of the truck?

What girls did you "visit" while in Coburn? Sounds like you were in a real hurry to get out of town. — TL, Tim

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I forgot to add: I took a ful Reid (without water).  My rock hopping days are surely limited. My feet went out from underneath me like I was on an icy slope.  Smashed by back up pretty good (or is that pretty bad?).  The same shit I suffered through a few months back.  If I bend over, I have trouble getting back up.  (No smart-ass remarks either!) d;o)

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I forgot to add: I took a ful Reid (without water).  My rock hopping days are surely limited. My feet went out from underneath me like I was on an icy slope.  Smashed by back up pretty good (or is that pretty bad?).  The same shit I suffered through a few months back.  If I bend over, I have trouble getting back up.  (No smart-ass remarks either!) d;o)

hey, take care Louie, you’ve got an important fishing date coming up. Hey Dave, if it hurts when you bend, don’t bend.  You have to come and see us soon.  I’m practicing on my new stove.   This is the Jag of all Jags.   The Thanksgiving turkey, the meat pies will all be waiting for you. Did I mention the pumpkin pie? Love Suzie XOXOXO

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…   The Thanksgiving turkey, …

Canadian Thanksgiving makes WAY more sense than the American version. The second Monday of October is a great time to have a real fall harvest fest. The end of November sucks, and besides it’s too close to Xmas. — Ken Fortenberry- left in disgust at the start of the 4th quarter

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Suzie Homemaker writes: he Thanksgiving turkey, the meat pies will all be waiting for you. Did I mention the pumpkin pie? Love Suzie XOXOXO

You’re too much, Jo.  Is it any wonder Petah loves you so.  My Jo says hi.  See you in a week.  Pumpkin pie, eh? Dave

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Suzie Homemaker writes: he Thanksgiving turkey, the meat pies will all be waiting for you. Did I mention the pumpkin pie? Love Suzie XOXOXO You’re too much, Jo.  Is it any wonder Petah loves you so.  My Jo says hi.  See you in a week.  Pumpkin pie, eh? Dave

Can’t wait to see you both on the 13th. Love Suzie

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 Smashed my back up pretty good (or is that pretty bad?).

Enjoyed your TR but sorry to hear about your bad luck. You reminded me that some years ago, an announcer at a Penn State football game announced that a player who had been hurt, and was coming off the field, was "limping pretty good."  I wondered if that was the opposite of "limping pretty bad," or if it meant he was doing it in an accomplished and artistic manner. Hope you get well soon. vince

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Vince Norris writes: You reminded me that some years ago, an announcer at a Penn State football game announced that a player who had been hurt, and was coming off the field, was "limping pretty good."  I wondered if that was the opposite of "limping pretty bad," or if it meant he was doing it in an accomplished and artistic manner. Hope you get well soon. vince

Fortunately I wasn’t hurt badly.  A friend (in his early 70s) saw it, and thought I had to be hurt bad (good?), so he got on his rather sophisticated radio and called his son fishing downriver at Harbeck Pool.  His son started back to help in the "rescue", but when my friend saw me up and about, he called and told the son I was ok.  Nice to know someone was watching out for me. Dave

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ok.  Nice to know someone was watching out for me. Dave

Hey, I worry about you big guy.  With all the luck you’ve had, a wonderful wife, trips to Lakewood left, right and center, that land yacht of yours, I figure your lucks gotta run out sometime. Good report.  I can’t wait to get up there next year.  Ya gotta give me an idear as to what those flies were and if you tinks dayums would work in June. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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Frank Reid writes: Ya gotta give me an idear as to what those flies were and if you tinks dayums would work in June.

Think caddis flies in June, Frank.  Green Rock Worm, tan LaFontaine caddis emerger, throw in a few small PTs (they always work) and a few Goddard Caddis, and voila, you’re there.   Dave

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Think caddis flies in June, Frank.  Green Rock Worm, tan LaFontaine caddis emerger, throw in a few small PTs (they always work) and a few Goddard Caddis, and voila, you’re there. Dave

Well, I’ll start tying now if I can find my vise.  Now, wasn’t that on top of the truck? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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The boat was waiting for us when we arrived at South Arm.  It is always amusing to see Henry jump from the car, run down to the dock and get aboard Lakewood’s boat.  (Lakewood owns the boat, so the apotrophe is correct)   After a quick lunch, I headed to the dam.  No one in sight.  I picked one of the good spots and started with Bruiser’s #20 PT, tied on a scudd hook.  Second cast and I had a decent brookie, dressed to the nines in her fall colors.  A few casts later, another brookie.  It went on like this until I lost the fly. %, I only had one.  Fortunately I brought along the fly box that Bruiser gave me at the SJ clave two years ago.  It was filled with little size 20 – 24 jewels.  I selected something similar, and it was *better*.  What an outstanding afternoon.  The catch of brookies to salmon was about 5 to 1.  I can remember when it was 10 to 1 salmon to brookies.  And it wasn’t that long ago.  C & R works (sorry Timbo) On Monday morning I went to Pond in the River – not much happening with the standard stuff.  However, an old stand-by, the Jail Bird tied on a size 20 dry fly hook brought two very nice brook trout from the wing dam pool.  That fly has never failed me!  Very simple tie, too.  After a sumptuous lunch, I was a bit tired, so I napped until mid-afternoon and then hit the dam.   As before, Bruiser’s tiny SJ flies did their magic.  I dredged Zimbo’s Run and landed several nice (+14 inch) brookies, as well as some  salmon about the same size.  The fish looked to be in remarkable condition, especially the brookies. Only a couple of salmon that I caught (the entire week) had sores on their jaws from being hooked.  There was a team of biologists surveying the river for the power company.  I had a conversation with them at dinner and asked about the mortality of C&R.  Although they didn’t give me a percentage, their feelings were that the brookies are very strong and their mortality is very, very low, whereas the salmon, dumber and not as strong, still have a low mortality.  With the number of fish I caught that looked healthy, I’d say they were spot on in their estimation. Tuesday was a repeat of Monday, with the exception of a 19 inch brookie taken on one of Bruisers #20 nymphs.  I also worked some rising salmon.  There was a hatch on, and I cast a tiny little black fly.  In general, they were small fish – in the 8 to 12 inch range, and no brookies.  So, I switched back to the little nymphs and continued to have luck at any spot at the dam.  Again, the brookies were ferocious with Bruiser’s flies. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday were the same, except Friday it rained harder than it did at Henry’s Fork (if that is possible).  We got about 4 inches of water in less than 24 hours.  Fishing remained fairly good, however, and I finally got a chance to wear my SST jacket.  Kept me dry and warm.  Sleeping in one of Lakewood’s cabins is always a treat, but when it is cold and raining, it is extra sweet.   The season ends on Tuesday.  I’ve been home three hours and I’m ready to go back.  It is gonna be a long winter……. Dave

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I’m about to replace my 15-year-old vest whose only remaining advantage is that it looks "seasoned." What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? I’m looking at Filson because they use snaps instead of velcro, which I’ve found to be really awkward to handle one-handed. The main thing I want is to be able to carry my lunch/beverage/rain gear, etc., along with a big supply of tackle because I use the vest to store most of my gear (not that I have all that much to store, but I hate sorting it out before trips). And can you still get Prince Albert in a can? — Bob Patton

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Hi All, It seems like there was a big push for chest packs the last 5 or more years, but lately traditional vests are selling better than ever? We sell mostly shorter vests in Nor Cal because we have larger streams to cross/wade and float tubing too. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m about to replace my 15-year-old vest whose only remaining advantage is that it looks "seasoned." What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? I’m looking at Filson because they use snaps instead of velcro, which I’ve found to be really awkward to handle one-handed. The main thing I want is to be able to carry my lunch/beverage/rain gear, etc., along with a big supply of tackle because I use the vest to store most of my gear (not that I have all that much to store, but I hate sorting it out before trips). And can you still get Prince Albert in a can? — Bob Patton

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And can you still get Prince Albert in a can? — Bob Patton

Yep. But you gotta get him really drunk first. Pete aka Pogo — You need only two tools. WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn’t move and it should, use WD-40. If it moves and shouldn’t, use the tape.     C.Webster

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What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? I’m looking at Filson because they use snaps instead of velcro, which I’ve found to be really awkward to handle one-handed.

There’s something nice about having a finely crafted piece of canvas, brass and leather hanging on your chest.  I vote for the Filson. The main thing I want is to be able to carry my lunch/beverage/rain gear, etc., along with a big supply of tackle because I use the vest to store most of my gear (not that I have all that much to store, but I hate sorting it out before trips).

Yep.  I keep all my trout gear in my chest pack and just leave it there. The rear compartment of the Filson will hold my Hodgeman wading jacket (their low-end nylon jacket) and a thermos (wide-mouth, soup thermos, not a coffee-dispenser style). Mu

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There’s something nice about having a finely crafted piece of canvas, brass and leather hanging on your chest.  

That sounds like a commercial for the Canadian version of Victoria’s Secret. <g — Charlie…

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I’m about to replace my 15-year-old vest whose only remaining advantage is that it looks "seasoned." What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? I’m looking at Filson because they use snaps instead of velcro, which I’ve found to be really awkward to handle one-handed. The main thing I want is to be able to carry my lunch/beverage/rain gear, etc., along with a big supply of tackle because I use the vest to store most of my gear (not that I have all that much to store, but I hate sorting it out before trips). And can you still get Prince Albert in a can?

Don’t know about ol’ Prince Albert but of late,  I’ve been using a satchel.  It’s a smallish bag designed for students with slots for pens, disks, etc.  Works great for all my paraphernalia – just clipped a zinger and a drying patch on it and I was in business. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Ah, yes . . . reminds me of a gal I saw once in a bar in Okinawa. And the things she could do with a cigarette and a beer bottle . . . but that’s another story .  :-) Bob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s something nice about having a finely crafted piece of canvas, brass and leather hanging on your chest. That sounds like a commercial for the Canadian version of Victoria’s Secret. <g — Charlie…

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Thanks, Bill. Seems like the vest distributes weight a little better. I don’t have long legs and frequently manage to soak the bottom of my vest, but wonder how a loaded chest pack feels after a day of fishing. Expect I’ll go with the vest. Bob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, It seems like there was a big push for chest packs the last 5 or more years, but lately traditional vests are selling better than ever? We sell mostly shorter vests in Nor Cal because we have larger streams to cross/wade and float tubing too. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com I’m about to replace my 15-year-old vest whose only remaining advantage is that it looks "seasoned." What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? I’m looking at Filson because they use snaps instead of velcro, which I’ve found to be really awkward to handle one-handed. The main thing I want is to be able to carry my lunch/beverage/rain gear, etc., along with a big supply of tackle because I use the vest to store most of my gear (not that I have all that much to store, but I hate sorting it out before trips). And can you still get Prince Albert in a can? — Bob Patton

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The first tackle box I ever had was a tobacco can. Can’t remember if it was Prince Albert or Half and Half, but those cans were great. And If you were eight years old you could sometimes find a few shreds of tobacco and really live dangerously. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And can you still get Prince Albert in a can? — Bob Patton Yep. But you gotta get him really drunk first. Pete aka Pogo — You need only two tools. WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn’t move and it should, use WD-40. If it moves and shouldn’t, use the tape.     C.Webster

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Thanks for the info. The only trouble with the Filson is that it’s so expensive it needs a special section in my will! Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? I’m looking at Filson because they use snaps instead of velcro, which I’ve found to be really awkward to handle one-handed. There’s something nice about having a finely crafted piece of canvas, brass and leather hanging on your chest.  I vote for the Filson. The main thing I want is to be able to carry my lunch/beverage/rain gear, etc., along with a big supply of tackle because I use the vest to store most of my gear (not that I have all that much to store, but I hate sorting it out before trips). Yep.  I keep all my trout gear in my chest pack and just leave it there. The rear compartment of the Filson will hold my Hodgeman wading jacket (their low-end nylon jacket) and a thermos (wide-mouth, soup thermos, not a coffee-dispenser style). Mu

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I glue them together back to back.  I take two such assemblys and cut radial notches in them and fit them together so they fit 90 degrees to each other. Really cool on the Christmas tree, almost as much fun as watching a lava lamp.

. The CD, of course, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – was immediately introduced to Ms Trash Can, where it’s resting happily and awaiting its fate. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Really cool on the Christmas tree, almost as much fun as watching a lava lamp.

        …or watching paint dry, which i will speculate is one of your most challenging intellectual endeavors.         get it? wayno

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<RWP mused and asked:  What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? Like most other things I usually want more than one solution to every problem.  I have this ordered from L.L. Bean but it won’t be available til March 18th.  I bought it for float tubing and deeper wading (I keep soaking my current vest although is it a "shorty" wading model — maybe cuz I stand only 5′8" tall in stilettos). TC21140 Olive Modular Fishing System Large Chest/Fanny Pack……$49.00 TC24057 Black Modular Fishing System Ultralight Chris Fanning — still trying to buy his way to fly fishing bliss…

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Thanks to everybody for the ideas. I still dunno what the hell I’m going to do. But you’un’s thoughts are helpful. Bob — Bob Patton

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <RWP mused and asked:  What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? Like most other things I usually want more than one solution to every problem.  I have this ordered from L.L. Bean but it won’t be available til March 18th.  I bought it for float tubing and deeper wading (I keep soaking my current vest although is it a "shorty" wading model — maybe cuz I stand only 5′8" tall in stilettos). TC21140 Olive Modular Fishing System Large Chest/Fanny Pack……$49.00 TC24057 Black Modular Fishing System Ultralight Chris Fanning — still trying to buy his way to fly fishing bliss…

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I came home tonight and found that ‘resident’ had been sent an AOL CD. Nicely packaged in a thin metal container.  YeeHaw.  I’ve got a place other than my hat to keep those tiny flies now.  I grabbed a magnet off the ‘frig and found out it’ll work just fine. The CD, of course, was immediately introduced to Ms Trash Can, where it’s resting happily and awaiting its fate. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

Wait for a second one, put a spindle through them both, and a small bolt or similar on the rim of one, put this in a simple stand, and you have an excellent linewinder. You can make a nice tool stand for fly-tying tools etc, in a similar way. Just drill holes around the rim, and mount the disc on a heavy bolt or similar. Depending on the reflective material used, they also make excellent lamp reflectors. They should not be mounted too close to heat sources though. If you buy a cheap electric clock motor, mount it behind the disk, and then mount the hands, then you have a nice wall clock. Cutting notches around the rim of the disc, turns it into a very handy cast holder. These were very popular at one time. If you glue a raised rim to the disc, and partition the disc with further strips ( like an apple tart decoration with pastry) of strip cork for instance, then you have a very handy stackable hook store. There are lots of other uses for such high grade plastic discs.  If AOL and others want to give them away, then I see no reason not to use them. TL MC

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The first tackle box I ever had was a tobacco can. Can’t remember if it was Prince Albert or Half and Half, but those cans were great. And If you were eight years old you could sometimes find a few shreds of tobacco and really live dangerously.

I came home tonight and found that ‘resident’ had been sent an AOL CD. Nicely packaged in a thin metal container.  YeeHaw.  I’ve got a place other than my hat to keep those tiny flies now.  I grabbed a magnet off the ‘frig and found out it’ll work just fine. The CD, of course, was immediately introduced to Ms Trash Can, where it’s resting happily and awaiting its fate. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Check out the 2002 fly fishing cataloge from LL Bean they have some very nice roomy sized fanny packs for about$ 49.00 they hold lots of gear and have a great belt system  keep a tight line

I have the LL Bean large chest pack with cargo strap, and I can carry more stuff than I could in my shorty vest, and everything is better organized and easier to find. Also, the weight is more evenly distributed. I also got the mesh strap for hot weather. I have tried using the pack with the included belt as a fanny or hip pack, but it just doesn’t feel right for some reason. I really like it as a chest pack, though. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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What’s the vote of the lodge as to chest packs, vests, etc? I’m looking at Filson because they use snaps instead of velcro, which I’ve found to be really awkward to handle one-handed. The main thing I want is to be able to carry my lunch/beverage/rain gear, etc., along with a big supply of tackle because I use the vest to store most of my gear (not that I have all that much to store, but I hate sorting it out before trips). Bob Patton

Bob,   I used the same vest for many years, a Stearns inflatable model.  Because of the heavy cloth and the enclosed rubber bladders, it was very hot in the summer.  I bought a "Fishpond" ($60.00) chest pack/hip pack a couple of years ago.  You can wear it either way.  I needed to use the neck strap as I am "hip challenged" and I couldn’t keep the thing from sliding down to my knees.  The pack works pretty well but when fully loaded, sticks out quite a ways.  I used it mainly as a hip pack but used the shoulder strap to keep it from sliding down.  I didn’t like using it as a chest pack.  Just always seemed to be in the way.   On my way back home from the Yellowstone clave, I treated myself to a Simms mesh vest ($100.00).  I like this vest better than the chest pack.  The weight is spread out very comfortably across the shoulders and holds everything I need.  It’s cut short for deep wading and seems to be the best compromise for me.  I needed to remove the chest pack when I rowed my pontoon and there’s always a chance it will end up floating down the river. Snoop — —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Check out the 2002 fly fishing cataloge from LL Bean they have some very nice roomy sized fanny packs for about$ 49.00 they hold lots of gear and have a

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Thanks for the info. The only trouble with the Filson is that it’s so expensive it needs a special section in my will! Bob

I used to use a Filson vest that I bought because I love those old school Filson products; however, it was way to heavy and the snaps tended to stick shut in the cold….one cold day in Yellowstone park, I couldn’t open the snap on one of the pockets and ripped the pocket trying.  Same day I bought my Simms vest in West and haven’t used the Filson since. Eugene K.

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I just received a "FlyTrap" that I bought from ezflyfish.com. Looks like it will beat the hell out of fleece and styrofoam patches. Bob

//snip// pens, disks, etc.  Works great for all my paraphernalia – just clipped a zinger and a drying patch on it and I was in business. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://home.cogeco.ca/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Good report deleted. Some general questions. When does the shad run start and how long does it last?

Around late March/early April through early May.   The peak varies from year to year.   Seems to be doing quite well this past week, though. How widespread are the runs?

If you mean when do the fish come up the river, it seems to be triggered by higher than average flows.   Early morning & late afternoon are reportedly better, but I don’t go enough to say yes or no.   I’ll add a bit of clarity in that the Susquehanna River holds more fish for longer than do these lower tributaries.   I just like Deer Creek because it’s so darned pretty and a lot easier fishing than on the big river (not to mention safer wading). Many years ago, when the shad were considerably more plentiful, one could arrive in the wee dawn hours and take up a position in quiet waters just below Conowingo Dam.   Once the rest of the world woke up and demanded electricity, they’d start the turbines in the hydro plant.   That was like an ON switch for the shad.   With the higher flows, they’d start biting imediately. Are they on spawning beds when you’re fishing for them or are they in the process of migrating upstream?

The ones I see and catch are migrating.   Quite honestly, I’m not familiar with their spawning habits.   I’ve never noticed a redd in the area I fish, but I’m relatively close to the mouth of the creek. Do the runs draw big crowds?

Crowd being a subjective term, I’d still say yes.   Some pools are known to be excellent spots, and to fish these, your space and mobility will be determined by other fishermen there.   Also, it is not FFO, and there are often a few spin fishermen crowding the FFers.   Having I said that, I’ll say that it is variable by time of day or day of the week.   It’s not necessary to fish the known spots though, the entire river usually holds fish at the peak of the run.   I’ve never had a problem finding a decent pool for myself. And since you didn’t ask: Yellow and red marabou streamers with gold or silver tinsel bodies are the fly of choice.   Use a sink tip line when the water is up.   Cast across and throw in a downstream mend.   They’ll hit on the swing. Joe F.

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We have a HUGE run of shad in the Columbia R. throughout July, sometimes topping 100,000 per day.  These are fairly large fish, running about 3 to 7lbs, with the average about 4lbs.  Hard fighting fish, especially in the considerable current below Bonneville dam, which seems to be the best fishing area.  You can catch them on a fly, but most people use spinning gear, 8-12lb mono, and  small jigs (shad darts) with and ounce or more of pencil lead, since the best fishing is often 30 to 100 yards or more out (where the current is, beyond the eddies or slack water).  Also fisherman are often nearly touching shoulders, so flyfishing is well nigh impossible unless you fish well away from the crowds where the fishing is poor.  You also have to horse the fish in since there are so many lines in the water.  But with the fish so prolific, it can still be a blast. Pat K  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We have a HUGE run of shad in the Columbia R. throughout July, sometimes topping 100,000 per day.  These are fairly large fish, running about 3 to 7lbs, with the average about 4lbs.  Hard fighting fish, especially in the considerable current below Bonneville dam, which seems to be the best fishing area.  You can catch them on a fly, but most people use spinning gear, 8-12lb mono, and  small jigs (shad darts) with and ounce or more of pencil lead, since the best fishing is often 30 to 100 yards or more out (where the current is, beyond the eddies or slack water).  Also fisherman are often nearly touching shoulders, so flyfishing is well nigh impossible unless you fish well away from the crowds where the fishing is poor.  You also have to horse the fish in since there are so many lines in the water.  But with the fish so prolific, it can still be a blast. Pat K

Sounds like the "old days" on the Susquehanna below the Conowingo Dam when the larger American shad were plentiful there.   It was certainly not the kind of fishing I enjoy now; but still, it was a great fun of a different sort. Joe F.

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writes: (snip) I might get out again tonigh, & take my son & SWMBO.   Now where the hell is that other reel? Joe F.

Nice report Joe!The rain continuing over the weekend could have made for a tough day on the water.  A lot of fishermen would not even attempt it.  Says something for perserverance and determination! Wayne To Fish is Human….To Release Divine!      —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free Usenet News via the Web  —–      —–  http://newsone.net/ —  Discussions on every subject. —–    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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Good report deleted. Some general questions. When does the shad run start and how long does it last? How widespread are the runs? Are they on spawning beds when you’re fishing for them or are they in the process of migrating upstream? Do the runs draw big crowds? Willi

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I’d hoped to get out over the weekend to give the shad run another shot, but the weather looked grim.   By Saturday evening, though, it had at least stopped raining steadily.   Around 5 p.m., SWMBO suggested I might get a couple hours in before dark.   In 10 min., I had the car packed and was on my way. I got to Deer Creek by 6, and as I parked my car, a few of the fishermen already at the Stafford Bridge pool were wading back to their cars.   The one guy I asked just said, "slow."   Still, I struggled into my waders, put my new Mike C. 4 wt. together, and dug in my bag for the reel.   Well, shit. I didn’t have the sink tip line I would certainly need with the water running as high as it was.   In a remarkable bout of foresight and redundancy, however, I had brought my 6 wt and its sink tip line.   Sorry, Mike; it’ll have to wait until next time.   I rigged the 6 wt. & waded out to a spot about 100 yds upstream of the other handful there. I was expecting slow, and the whole time I was gearing up, I didn’t see anybody else hooking up.   So I was pleasantly surprised when I nailed about a one-pounder on about my fifth cast.   Cool.   The barbless hook easily came free, and I went back to casting across the fast current.   Not long afterward, bam, another one.   Okay, that’s two in the first five minutes; how slow could it be?   In the end, not slow at all. After the tenth fish in less than an hour, I remembered a stale Montecruz in my vest pocket.   Most of the hits were coming at the end of the swing across the current, so after one cast, I tucked the rod under my arm and just let my line trail downstream while I lit the cigar.   About the time I got the stogie fired up, I had another fish on, and I set the hook with my armpit.  It was a little too easy; but I admit, I was having fun. As darkness approached, the average size of the fish increased, so I didn’t want to leave.   The last one, when I could barely see, was pushing two pounds.   In landing that one, I managed to tangle my line & tippet so badly there was no way I’d be able to undo it in the dark, so I was done for the night.   I’d caught well over 20 fish in about two hours. The 6 wt. was just a bit heavy for the size fish I was catching, and most of them could be pulled almost straight in.   A few bigger ones put up a pretty good fight, though, with a couple actually making the drag sing a few bars. I might get out again tonigh, & take my son & SWMBO.   Now where the hell is that other reel? Joe F.

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Bruce asked: <<Does anyone know where I can get my 8 year old son a set of waders ? Orvis sells ‘em, I think.

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Bruce asked: <<Does anyone know where I can get my 8 year old son a set of waders ? Orvis sells ‘em, I think.

Yep, check out http://www.orvis.com/store/sub_frame.asp?cat_id=25. — Charlie…

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Does anyone know where I can get my 8 year old son a set of waders ?

Cabela’s sells small size neoprenes.   They fit my 9-yr. old pretty well. Joe F.

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Go to Cabelas.  They have an item called "CABELA’S YOUTH STOCKINGFOOT 3MM NEOPRENE WADERS." You will probably want the medium size.  It correlates to a size 10-12 in boys.  Which is normally what an eight year old boy will ware.  They are a good buy at $49.95, item # IK-81-0968. http://www.cabelas.com/texis/scripts/store/+EwwFqcgwx-EPPWKK8xFqqkQqF… PPWKK8EHEqEEmFmRnFqtkQ+vXgAFqtiwmnG5czmwwwwMzmwwwf/process.html?formname=Ca t alogDisplay&submit=displayPOD&PodID=IK209A Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know where I can get my 8 year old son a set of waders ? Thanks in advance Bruce

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try dan bailey’s sale going on. Rat

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Does anyone know where I can get my 8 year old son a set of waders ? Thanks in advance Bruce

Hi Bruce, I would try the Cabelas or Orvis catalog. At our shop, we have carried them off and on for about 20 years with very little sales. Most people, I said most people, not all, don’t want to invest in something that they will grow out of in a year or two. Some other parents might think it is too dangerous to have their children out in moving water with waders on?

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chest straps, waist belt….proper technique and waders can save your life. neoprene types can be a life preserver….read up on tecnique.  or shall I say read on……others explain it better……john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Does anyone know where I can get my 8 year old son a set of waders ? My father bought my sone a set of hip waders from Orvis for my 8 year old & we both took up fly fishing last summer. I’ve had to dump him out (turn upside down to drain water out of boots after he either falls, or goes too deep) EVERY trip except for our last outing in September.  It was a VERY sucessful trip – I caught my first & he didn’t fall in! I’m still have mixed feeling about getting him a full set of waders – although he is very athletic & coordinated I could see him getting into trouble if he could go deeper.  The waders limit his range, but sort of form a safety limit too. OTOH – every time he dumps is a pain. Good luck & post where you find the best deal – I still haven’t made up MY mind of how we will go next year. Mark Klove

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Does anyone know where I can get my 8 year old son a set of waders ?

My father bought my sone a set of hip waders from Orvis for my 8 year old & we both took up fly fishing last summer.   I’ve had to dump him out (turn upside down to drain water out of boots after he either falls, or goes too deep) EVERY trip except for our last outing in September.  It was a VERY sucessful trip – I caught my first & he didn’t fall in! I’m still have mixed feeling about getting him a full set of waders – although he is very athletic & coordinated I could see him getting into trouble if he could go deeper.  The waders limit his range, but sort of form a safety limit too. OTOH – every time he dumps is a pain. Good luck & post where you find the best deal – I still haven’t made up MY mind of how we will go next year. Mark Klove

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Does anyone know where I can get my 8 year old son a set of waders ? Thanks in advance Bruce

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Thanx for the help~!

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I am kinda new to fly fishing and new to this group. I do lots of fishing but not very much fly fishing. I got a fly rod 2 years ago and just put line on it today. I have some "No-tie" things that you put into the line that holds the leader into the backing. Is there an easy way to get the no-tie on there?? I am having trouble. Thanx

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I am kinda new to fly fishing and new to this group. I do lots of fishing but not very much fly fishing. I got a fly rod 2 years ago and just put line on it today. I have some "No-tie" things that you put into the line that holds the leader into the backing. Is there an easy way to get the no-tie on there?? I am having trouble. Thanx

So we’re talking about the same things the backing goes on the spool first. The backing connects to the fly line and the leader attaches to the fly line. By "no-tie" do you mean the braided loop connectors that go over the fly line or the metal eyes that you stick in the line? If it’s the latter the best thing to do is loose them and tie the backing directly to the flyline and then the leader directly to the fly line. In almost every box of fly line there is a little booklet that shows the knots to use to attach backing to the spool, the line to the backing and the leader to the line. Learn the knots – they can save the day as well as your equipment. The braided loop connectors are a good alternative to tying the backing and the leader to the fly line. These slip over the fly line and use a piece of heat shrink tubing to anchor the end to the line. When the loop is pulled the braid cinches down on the fly line and holds tight.  Now with the loop on the fly line and a loop tied in the leader and backing you can quickly connect the three lines together with the loop to loop handshake knot. When you tie a loop in the backing make it’s big enough that you can make the connection with the flyline while it’s still on the spool it came on.

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Dave, Vermont is open until Oct 26 and then there are many exceptions, ie. major Lake  Champlain tributaries can be fished up to the first dam, etc. year-round.  And  effective mid to late November there will be 6 major rivers open to C&R  through the winter making them year-round trout streams. James Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service Vermont Fly Fishing, Hunting, River and Woodland Outings http://pobox.com/~uncle

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Spike Haines writes:

<<I am flying into Boston, renting a car and spending the next two weeks meandering up highway 95 through Maine taking side trips to the coast and inland. Our purpose is sightseeing but I might be able to sneak in a little fly fishing.  Any recommendations for a "don’t miss" stream? Thanks in advance. Don’t get caught "inland" on a stream.  Season is over.  However you can still  fish in Mass and (I think!!!!!) New Hampshire. Dave LaCourse

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I’m planning to be on the big Island of Hawaii next week and would like to hook up with a charter captain who is fly fishing friendly.   Taking a 12 weight and a ten with hopes of catching mahi mahi, maybe ahi or striped Marlin.   Any advice about guides there would be appreciated.   I’d rather fish out of an open fisherman than a big sports fisherman. Thanks for your help David Sheffield Los Angeles

Not many people fly fish in Hawaii.  We have a local TV fishing program, "Fishing Tales", hosted by Mike Sakamoto who does fly fish, but I don’t know how to contact him.   You might try this location as a start to get some information:   http://www.biggame.com/ibgfh/index.html — Sincerely, Fred E. Nakaguma Aiea, Hawaii

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I’m planning to be on the big Island of Hawaii next week and would like to hook up with a charter captain who is fly fishing friendly.   Taking a 12 weight and a ten with hopes of catching mahi mahi, maybe ahi or striped Marlin.   Any advice about guides there would be appreciated.   I’d rather fish out of an open fisherman than a big sports fisherman. Thanks for your help David Sheffield Los Angeles

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An option to try is if you have some strike putty, make a new fly right on the spot. Just put the putty on a small nymph and see what happens. Good luck, Don Pisinski

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An option to try is if you have some strike putty, make a new fly right on the spot. Just put the putty on a small nymph and see what happens.

Especially good if you have some "Dr. Juice Phish Pheromone Trout In Heat" flavored strike putty on hand. TimW (just typing that got me excited…)

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Kinda makes me think I’m going to way too much trouble tying flies.   I was reading something a few weeks ago about a study done underwater in which some percent of "nymphs" were expelled by the fish because they were sticks, rocks, etc. Why not use a small popper instead of a strike indicator? John Nesselrode Shawnee, KS

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As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation?

Tony Route suggested tying up a small bomber pattern in the same colors as the strike indicator, and using that.  Bomber is a spun deer hair piece of work, nothing fancy.  I tied some up, but never used them yet.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently.  I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts.  What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less.  My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly.  I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big.  

Try using strike indicator putty.  Then if they start hitting your strike indicator, you can cover the nymph with the strike putty and away you go Carl carl

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Why not use a small popper instead of a strike indicator? Or a 12 bore shotgun.  Such idiotic fish need eliminating before they

stagnate the gene pool. Bruce

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  <snip Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott (snip)

Hi, I have seen wild rainbows take some pretty large and gaudy strike indicators on spawning runs. It’s also quite common practice here to fish for browns with a dry fly as an indicator above a nymph. It’s sometimes an even bet as to which one gets taken by the fish. Ken Sims New Zealand

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? I’ve had tis happen also, and here are my guesses at what is happening. Everyone tells me that drag, and it could be micro drag that you can’t see, accounts for most refusals of dry flies. When you have a sunken nymph below a strike indicator, the line and nymph act like an anchor in the water column, making the strike indicator drift absolutely drag free. The fish go for it. You see that, and tie on a dry fly, with no anchoring nymph and line, so you get micro drag, and the fish don’t strike. Try using a largish dry fly as a strike indicator. Something bushy like a stimulator or large Elk Hair Caddis. Darryl Hayashida

Or a parachute adams with a pink post.  Works great for me Regards, Dick Hubbard

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drag, and the fish don’t strike. Try using a largish dry fly as a strike indicator. Something bushy like a stimulator or large Elk Hair Caddis. Darryl Hayashida Or a parachute adams with a pink post.  Works great for me Regards, Dick Hubbard

Or just thread a hook thru the strike indicator. Not "pure", but effective. Jerry — Jerry Brown Web: http://rampages.onramp.net/~jbrown "When the Huns are at the gate, they ain’t gonna knock…"

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I sometimes have success with a fly called the Serendipity.  It’s   midge pattern with a red or orange thorax.  I like to use Peacock herl for the body with fine silver or copper wire rib.  Drift it in the film or just under the surface. Your milage may vary. Burton – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott

Instead of strike indicators, I use those braided (Chinese finger vice) line connector devices.  Fishing flats recently on Florida’s Nature Coast, I had redfish hit the connector, It is chartreuse.  I can see it, so I guess fish can too.  It must look like a worm of some type to fish. — Don Jordan POB 2357 Chiefland, FL 32644 http://ripserv.com/indyjones

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I am not one to use strike indicators, largely because it reminds me too much of fishing for catfish as a child. However, I may suggest that you use a floating line and a sinking leader (or leader to which you have applied some sinkant). A combination of sinkant on one and of the line and a clean, floatant-treated line on the other end has worked for me in situations where others might have used strike indicators. Of course, I am also prone to overuse of shims when building, so my solutions are not always the most sound… W.E.S. Harman Virginia Commonwealth University Richmond, Virginia "L’ecrivain original n’est pas celui qui n’imite personne, mais celui que personne ne peut imiter." (The original writer is not he who refrains from imitating others, but he who can be imitated by none.) – Francois-Rene De Chateaubriand,   "Genie du Christianisme" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott Instead of strike indicators, I use those braided (Chinese finger vice) line connector devices.  Fishing flats recently on Florida’s Nature Coast, I had redfish hit the connector, It is chartreuse.  I can see it, so I guess fish can too.  It must look like a worm of some type to fish. — Don Jordan POB 2357 Chiefland, FL 32644 http://ripserv.com/indyjones

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete

Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently.  I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts.  What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less.  My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly.  I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big.   Maybe the indicators look like the pellets from the hatchery (although I doubt they stocked 4" fish). Isn’t it annoying?   Tight lines, Mark Cahill

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation SNIPPED TO FIT: Isn’t it annoying? Tight lines, Mark Cahil I’ve also had ‘em go ater the knots in my leader when fishing drys in preference to the piece of work I was offering at the end of my tippet. (Usually a hint to go down to something a lot smaller.) zeno

I could jump into this discussion but think I best not as my views are miles apart  here.  However, I agree with ‘the hint,’ zeno. George Gehrke Mr. Gink

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation?

I’ve had tis happen also, and here are my guesses at what is happening. Everyone tells me that drag, and it could be micro drag that you can’t see, accounts for most refusals of dry flies. When you have a sunken nymph below a strike indicator, the line and nymph act like an anchor in the water column, making the strike indicator drift absolutely drag free. The fish go for it. You see that, and tie on a dry fly, with no anchoring nymph and line, so you get micro drag, and the fish don’t strike. Try using a largish dry fly as a strike indicator. Something bushy like a stimulator or large Elk Hair Caddis. Darryl Hayashida

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Completely understand.  The notorious Indicator Hatch.   The recommended approach is to go home and tie up some strike indicator imitations and fish them on a dead drift.

I did this, and I’ll be goddamned if it didn’t work! After having a few "selective trout" break out of their feeding patterns to chase my styrofoam orange strike indicator, I went home to the vice, clamped in a number ten hook and wrapped an adhesive backed strike indicator around it. I probably could of stopped right there but, purist that I am, I wrapped a grizzly hackle around the head and tied it off. Vince Marinaro was probably convulsing in his grave as I trotted back to my (then) home water, leering like the Grinch on his sleighride to Whoville. Needless to say, it worked. Not on every fish (thank god) but it worked. It’s all in the orange. Next time you’re tying an Adams, substitute an orange floss body for the usual muskrat. You didn’t hear it from me. Spinolio

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  <snip Pete It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott

In North Georgia most streams are stocked and trophy streams are fed. Although I have had the same experience on streams with natural production which are not fed and the 6" to 10" fish likely are generations away from any fish that was. One particular stream was exclusively browns. I attribute it to the fact that trout are opportunists, curious about there surroundings and lacking hands, they put it in their mouth to find out what it is. Could be a meal and they may be few and far between. When I first began fishing I took a few fish for consumption. One such fish upon examining the stomach contents was full of some type of hard green seeds that had been floating downstream. Not only did the fish not find it offnesive, it continued to gulp the seeds which were also further along in the intestine in much the same condition as those in the stomach. I suppose the fish ‘felt’ full whether it was nutritious or not. The past weekend I was fishing worm imitation, floating it along the bottom in a clear tail out and watched a fish ‘take’ it, or so I thought. I missed, but as the the leaves are falling here, the fish grabbed a leaf and held it in its mouth a little longer than you would expect before realizing what it had. Almost as much fun to observe as to catch! regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete

It happens alot, especially on stocked streams and in ponds where fish are used to getting fed. However, I have also seen it on wild trout streams. The bobbing action of cork or foam on the surface can sometimes be a deadly attractor. In fact, there are some "flies" that are made from cork alone (no other dressing!) … they work, even on sophisticated wild trout. Why? I wish I knew. Bob Elliott

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete

Put a hook on it!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently.  I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts.  What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less.  My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly.  I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big. Maybe the indicators look like the pellets from the hatchery (although I doubt they stocked 4" fish). Isn’t it annoying? Tight lines, Mark Cahil I’ve also had ‘em go ater the knots in my leader when fishing drys in preference to the piece of work I was offering at the end of my tippet. (Usually a hint to go down to something a lot smaller.) zeno

I have had it happen with a yellow strike indicator during hopper season.  Switch to a hopper usually works then. YMMV. Dan — Daniel J. Gaspar                        Department of Chemistry (773) 702-7209                          University of Chicago

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation?

   I don’t know the entomology of this, but it is common experience. I always carry an orange humpy or two for this situation. They even make pretty good strike indicators. Joel A. Tobias 2941 Doctors Park Dr. Medford, OR 97504

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete Yes Pete, I’ve had it happen recently.  I was fishing a nymph on a local stocked stream in Central Massachusetts.  What was hitting mine was small brookies, not the quarry dujour, but trout none the less.  My indicator was yellow, so I switched over to a yellow dry fly.  I had a few hits, but the only yellow fly I had was too big for the 4" brookie’s mouth is only so big. Maybe the indicators look like the pellets from the hatchery (although I doubt they stocked 4" fish). Isn’t it annoying? Tight lines, Mark Cahil

I’ve also had ‘em go ater the knots in my leader when fishing drys in preference to the piece of work I was offering at the end of my tippet. (Usually a hint to go down to something a lot smaller.) zeno

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete

In line with Tim’s comment I often use an orange Bug (deer hair clipped sinker shaped with a hackle wound through) as an indicator, and it has landed fish. Paul

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation?

Completely understand.  The notorious Indicator Hatch.   The recommended approach is to go home and tie up some strike indicator imitations and fish them on a dead drift. TimW

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I’m certain that I’m not the only one to have this happen: I was fishing a nymph on a floating line with a small orange strike indicator.  As I drifted the flies through a likely looking spot, a nice trout came up and hammered the cork indicator.  After a couple more "takes" I switched to a dry fly. Nothing.  I switched to an egg pattern in  a similar color. Nothing.  I put the indicator back on. WHaM!  What have others done in this situation? Pete

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I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Happy fishin’ fellas!! Brian Isn’t fishing with lights illegal in most states? Dan

Isn’t fishing for customers inappropriate in most news groups? Jim

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I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Happy fishin’ fellas!! Brian

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I am a commercial spamerman. I spam 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial spaming. KAILUME SPAM (http://www.spam.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch spamsticks. Check out the site and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER SPAM THE SAME AGAIN!! Happy spamin’ fellas!! Brian

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: I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. : Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. : KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a : product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since : I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site : and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Okay, genius, tell me a good fly that uses a 6" Cyalume stick…

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I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Happy fishin’ fellas!! Brian

Isn’t fishing with lights illegal in most states? Dan

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: : Isn’t fishing for customers inappropriate in most news groups? : : Jim : Not if you use a LIGHTSTICK, and a little spam.   just kidding  :) : : : : : : : : : : — — Bruce Barnard

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…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Okay, genius, tell me a good fly that uses a 6" Cyalume stick…

See above. . . Jim Boise

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site and see for yourself…YOU WILL NEVER FISH THE SAME AGAIN!! Happy fishin’ fellas!! Brian Isn’t fishing with lights illegal in most states? Dan

How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc??

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Dan How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc??

I find lightsticks real handy when doing an all nighter going after threshers. Just take one and stuff it up a mackeral’s ass and let him swim around. mmmmm   mmmmmm  goood!! University Computing Services                           71533,1011 University of Southern California I love the smell of Netware in the morning.  Smells like…victory!!

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  How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your   state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc?? Well Frank, just in case you’re not trolling, I’ll mention a couple of ways. Here in the Northwest we get to go after steelhead in the Snake River every fall. The impoundments behind the dams hold a lot of slack water and a lot of people fish from shore with sliding bobbers. At night it’s pretty common for people to rubber band a 1" light stick to their bobbers so they can see them. If the light disappears, set the hook! It beats going to bed… Also, I’ve used commercial jigs that had a short piece of surgical tubing tied onto the hook shaft. Insert a lightstick and jig away… I’ve never caught a steelhead with that setup, but it looked interesting. On a side note, I put a used light stick back into it’s foil wrapper and store till the next night in my camper’s freezer because I’m a cheap sob and can get several hours of night fishing for two nights using one lightstick.

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: :   How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your :   state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc?? A story I often repeat that is relevant with the above topic. Seems I was pier fishing for salmon some years back. A bunch of us were out an hour or so before dawn. Everyone was using glow-in-dark type lures. Charging them up next to a lantern and then throwing them out for the salmon to bite. I asked in a rather loud voice "Hey does it make any of you guys nervous to eat a fish that likes to eat things that glow in the dark?" It got very quiet on the pier that morning. Good fishing, All About Computers      | (810) 456-3894 (work) 2887 Pontiac Ct.         | (810) 373-6865 (home) Auburn Hills, Michigan   | Single and not taking applications. 48326                    | Interviews maybe.

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Brian, you need to tell us the technique. Do you put a hook on the lightstick? or a reel?  Or…just hang it over the side of the boat to attract minnows/smaller fish??? Sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site

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: :   How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your :   state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc??

Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman. I asked in a rather loud voice "Hey does it make any of you guys nervous to eat a fish that likes to eat things that glow in the dark?"

Ooh…that’s nasty. S.

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: :   How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your :   state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc?? Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman.

That’s spelled crappie  ;-) . You don’t have to use bait or a fly either; in both cases, you just might catch more fish if you do! — Richard W. (Dick) Lander; sportsman, Macintosh devotee, proponent of personal liberty. *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * *  *

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – about,  Re: Fishing With LIGHTSTICKS!!: Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman. Is that crappy or crappie? A white perch by any other name. — R. E. Harmon National Rifle Association Life Member Texas State Rifle Association Life Member

Fishing at night with lightsticks is the accepted way of catching broadbills off the South African coast.  In fact, it is only since the discovery of this form of fishing that the area has been identified as one of the worlds prime broadbill terratories.

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Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman.

I use them, but not to lure fish. I use small ones (Lunker Lite brand) that come with a small piece of clear plastic tubing. I put the light stick on the end of a pencil bobber, and use that so I can see my bobber at nite. I know in Washington it’s illegal to use light as an attractant. I guess I’m not sure how a game warden would view what I do, but it’s not my intent to use the light as an attractant. It’s a very small stick, only an inch or so long. It’s on the top of the bobber, sticking out of the water. I usually run several feet of line down to my hook, sometimes to where my bait is on the bottom, so I really doubt the fish are taking my bait because of the light stick. I don’t see any increase of my catch when I use the light sticks, it’s just a hell of a lot easier than using lanterns, flashlights, etc. to see the bobber. You get that same little thrill of seeing your bobber go down, except this way you just watch the light stick, and when it dissappears under the surface, you know it’s time to set the hook! Try it, you’ll like it! Pete               "Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time."                                 Monty Python     Pete LaPlant                     *       http://nwlink.com/~pete/             *

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Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman.

Is that crappy or crappie?

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about,  Re: Fishing With LIGHTSTICKS!!: Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman. Is that crappy or crappie?

A white perch by any other name. — R. E. Harmon National Rifle Association Life Member Texas State Rifle Association Life Member

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Don’t know ’bout that, but I’d recommend ultra-light sticks for crappie.

Or maybe put a dimmer on it.

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: : Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure : fish…you are a crappy fisherman. : : Or you could be a crappie fisherman.  Or a crappy crappie fisherman. Or a crappy crappie fisherman that couldn’t catch crap. —      Mario de Sales               |      Pro patria mori".   Wilfred Owen

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Brian, you need to tell us the technique. Do you put a hook on the lightstick? or a reel?  Or…just hang it over the side of the boat to attract minnows/smaller fish??? Sam I am a commercial fisherman. I fish 8 hours a day in Naples, Florida. Recently, I found a product that has helped my commercial fishing. KAILUME LIGHTSTICKS (http://www.lightsticks.com) has developed a product that will blow your mind away. My daily catch has tripled since I’ve used Kailume’ 1 inch and 6 inch lightsticks. Check out the site

Do these light sticks have a fuse?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : :   How does one fish with a lightstick? (assuming it is legal in your :   state) In the water, on your person, boat, etc?? Frankly, if you need to use light sticks or a lantern to lure fish…you are a crappy fisherman. That’s spelled crappie  ;-) . You don’t have to use bait or a fly either; in both cases, you just might catch more fish if you do! —

Don’t know ’bout that, but I’d recommend ultra-light sticks for crappie.

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