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Bonefish Trip 2003: Green Turtle Cay in the Abacos?

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A little update on some info. I spoke to Jeffrey Cardenas (The Saltwater Angler, www.saltwaterangler.com) and they aren’t doing anything in Abacos currently, but this was suggested (with no comment, good or bad): www.abacoflyfish.com TC, R

LOL! My wife Googled that link up last week. One of the more glossy guide sites I’ve seen, but the prices are in line with the area from other stuff we’ve read… We’re planning on 10 days down there; I figure I’ll use a guide for a day or two and then see how I do on my own. From my admittedly limited experience, if you can see bonefish* the guide is just a boat driver. And the boat rental prices down there are very reasonable… * non-trivial, kinda like those dithered-to-death "stereo images", you either get it, or you utterly don’t. I was lucky and had no problem seeing the bones in Anegada, hopefully the water is as clear and the sand flats as clean in the Abacos… /daytripper (Now if I could just spring free to fish *this* month!)

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Fabulous place Fell and broke my thumb the day before I had 2 days booked with a guide called sawyer ( I Think) – fortunately he had 2 novices waiting to go and who took my cancellation – both had bones 5lb + Enjoy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -The SO has proposed Green Turtle Cay in the Abacos for our annual island trip next April. She’s been seeing lots of positive bonefishing references so she figures it’s a lock for me to go along with her schemes We’d stay at the Green Turtle Club resort/marina, fwiw. http://www.greenturtleclub.com/ And I’m looking for anyone with any direct experience with the eastern Abaco islands, the Green Turtle Club, and more importantly, the fishing! Anyone out there ever been to this place? Anyone out there do any bonefishing in the Abacos Islands? Thanks for any feedback. /daytripper (got dem bonefishin’ jones

– Charles Reaves

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From my admittedly limited experience, if you can see bonefish* the guide is just a boat driver. And the boat rental prices down there are very reasonable…

They are, but you need to know the area, tides, etc., to avoid a lot of fruitless searching, and avoid tide and wind situations. Make sure to get charts and pay particular attention to wind and tide directions and tide times. * non-trivial, kinda like those dithered-to-death "stereo images", you either get it, or you utterly don’t. I was lucky and had no problem seeing the bones in Anegada, hopefully the water is as clear and the sand flats as clean in the Abacos…

It is at least as clear as the VI. I once dropped a lighter off a dock in the Abacos, and it could be seen on the bottom (about 20 plus feet of water – I didn’t realize quite how deep until I got down there <G). I’ve got UW pics of palometa and bones are as clear as anything taken in a perfectly-maintained swimming pool. /daytripper (Now if I could just spring free to fish *this* month!)

Er, you might wanna wait to NEXT month or the spring…<G TC, R

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From my admittedly limited experience, if you can see bonefish* the guide is just a boat driver. And the boat rental prices down there are very reasonable… They are, but you need to know the area, tides, etc., to avoid a lot of fruitless searching, and avoid tide and wind situations. Make sure to get charts and pay particular attention to wind and tide directions and tide times.

That’s what the first couple of days out with the guide are for… I’ll order up charts, especially given the boat rental, I’ll have a gps and a tide table, and hopefully things will be clear enough after a couple of days out. Granted my shallow experience (<= feeble pun) but fishing for bones isn’t very high on the rocket science scale – there are a couple of key details about bones that quickly narrow down the places one should bother working, and after a few more web hits I’m starting to get the feel for how small and *close* together the Abacos are, so I’m reasonably confident that if there are fish to be had I’ll stumble onto ‘em before too long * non-trivial, kinda like those dithered-to-death "stereo images", you either get it, or you utterly don’t. I was lucky and had no problem seeing the bones in Anegada, hopefully the water is as clear and the sand flats as clean in the Abacos… It is at least as clear as the VI. I once dropped a lighter off a dock in the Abacos, and it could be seen on the bottom (about 20 plus feet of water – I didn’t realize quite how deep until I got down there <G). I’ve got UW pics of palometa and bones are as clear as anything taken in a perfectly-maintained swimming pool.

Excellent! I might have to spring for an underwater digicam! More toys! /daytripper (Now if I could just spring free to fish *this* month!) Er, you might wanna wait to NEXT month or the spring…<G

end around here. /daytripper (A shrink could buy his next house on my tab…)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From my admittedly limited experience, if you can see bonefish* the guide is just a boat driver. And the boat rental prices down there are very reasonable… They are, but you need to know the area, tides, etc., to avoid a lot of fruitless searching, and avoid tide and wind situations. Make sure to get charts and pay particular attention to wind and tide directions and tide times. That’s what the first couple of days out with the guide are for… I’ll order up charts, especially given the boat rental, I’ll have a gps and a tide table, and hopefully things will be clear enough after a couple of days out.

Weeel, it’s not _quite_ that simple. You’ve got the potential for 4 foot changes, and it isn’t just knowing where, it’s knowing when and where, and where the fish are moving. The "no-boat" flats, of course, are easy (and there are a coupla-several miles of these at GTC), but with a bare boat, it can get tricky insofar as being where you want/need to be when. You might consider renting a boat for one day, you and the wife going for a ride, and getting familiar with things. Then get a guide for a couple of days, and rent again for a couple of days (or more – check on a weekly rate – if so, you can avoid ferry schedules altogether, weather depending). Plus, while only natives can officially guide you, anyone can go fishing with you, and if you have boat access the entire trip, meeting a few folks from cruising boats might be productive. And you might want to take a lighter setup for palometa, etc. (little permits, sorta like saltwater panfish) during bonefish lulls, and take some steel wire, etc. for barracuda (highly recommended for sport and dinner). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Granted my shallow experience (<= feeble pun) but fishing for bones isn’t very high on the rocket science scale – there are a couple of key details about bones that quickly narrow down the places one should bother working, and after a few more web hits I’m starting to get the feel for how small and *close* together the Abacos are, so I’m reasonably confident that if there are fish to be had I’ll stumble onto ‘em before too long * non-trivial, kinda like those dithered-to-death "stereo images", you either get it, or you utterly don’t. I was lucky and had no problem seeing the bones in Anegada, hopefully the water is as clear and the sand flats as clean in the Abacos… It is at least as clear as the VI. I once dropped a lighter off a dock in the Abacos, and it could be seen on the bottom (about 20 plus feet of water – I didn’t realize quite how deep until I got down there <G). I’ve got UW pics of palometa and bones are as clear as anything taken in a perfectly-maintained swimming pool. Excellent! I might have to spring for an underwater digicam! More toys!

Fuji makes a disposable UW that actually works pretty good if you just want "quick and easy" – get them in the States. Also, get a couple of decent but inexpensive masks and snorkels (also in the States) unless you are absolutely a "dry head." And if you dive, DON’T take anything but Hawaiian slings (with extra tubing) – anything else is a no-no. TC, R

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s what the first couple of days out with the guide are for… I’ll order up charts, especially given the boat rental, I’ll have a gps and a tide table, and hopefully things will be clear enough after a couple of days out. Weeel, it’s not _quite_ that simple. You’ve got the potential for 4 foot changes, and it isn’t just knowing where, it’s knowing when and where, and where the fish are moving. The "no-boat" flats, of course, are easy (and there are a coupla-several miles of these at GTC), but with a bare boat, it can get tricky insofar as being where you want/need to be when.

We’ll be getting the boat for the middle 7 days out of the 10 we’ll be there, looks like a 20-something foot Wellcraft CC with a 150 and t-top. Nice hefty boat – if it ends up high and dry at low tide it won’t be moved, that’s for sure. But we want to be able to roam freely for the duration, we usually take our own boat wherever we go on summer vacations, and it is usually at the center of the best times we have. I’ve been looking at satellite images of the area to the west of the reef through the island chain over to the big island and then on to the Marls, and it looks like flat water everywhere west of the reef would be the rule unless the weather is coming due north/south. You might consider renting a boat for one day, you and the wife going for a ride, and getting familiar with things. Then get a guide for a couple of days, and rent again for a couple of days (or more – check on a weekly rate – if so, you can avoid ferry schedules altogether, weather depending). Plus, while only natives can officially guide you, anyone can go fishing with you, and if you have boat access the entire trip, meeting a few folks from cruising boats might be productive. And you might want to take a lighter setup for palometa, etc. (little permits, sorta like saltwater panfish) during bonefish lulls, and take some steel wire, etc. for barracuda (highly recommended for sport and dinner).

Are there any actual permits/licences one must obtain for fishing – either on foot or in a boat? That’s usually something I forget until the last day – so I’m getting a bit of a jump on things this time… /daytripper (might actually go fishing this weekend! Whoa!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s what the first couple of days out with the guide are for… I’ll order up charts, especially given the boat rental, I’ll have a gps and a tide table, and hopefully things will be clear enough after a couple of days out. Weeel, it’s not _quite_ that simple. You’ve got the potential for 4 foot changes, and it isn’t just knowing where, it’s knowing when and where, and where the fish are moving. The "no-boat" flats, of course, are easy (and there are a coupla-several miles of these at GTC), but with a bare boat, it can get tricky insofar as being where you want/need to be when. We’ll be getting the boat for the middle 7 days out of the 10 we’ll be there, looks like a 20-something foot Wellcraft CC with a 150 and t-top. Nice hefty boat – if it ends up high and dry at low tide it won’t be moved, that’s for sure. But we want to be able to roam freely for the duration, we usually take our own boat wherever we go on summer vacations, and it is usually at the center of the best times we have.

Heck, with that, you don’t need to worry about no steekin’ ferries…plus, that’ll allow quite a variety of fishing – you might wish to take non-FFing tackle, as well. Are there any actual permits/licences one must obtain for fishing – either on foot or in a boat? That’s usually something I forget until the last day – so I’m getting a bit of a jump on things this time…

You get them at Customs, so you don’t have much of choice, unless you wanna fly over early to get one…<G. Ask for a "sportfishing permit" – it’s around 20-25USD. I don’t know the status of the boat you’re renting, and with a guide, or on a Bahamian charter, you don’t need one, but if I were in your shoes, I’d just get the thing and be done with it. Bahamian Customs and other LE bodies can be a weird thing for the first-time tourist, so don’t act amused or surprised at any, er, "simple ways." Make sure you have a couple of hundred USD in tens and twenties for the various fees, "taxes," etc. (in and out for you both, and I don’t mean bribes – it just speeds things up to have smaller bills at the ready). Up until recently, "Customs" at the MH airport was a card table with a very friendly guy who always told you that you had nothing to declare, in and out, and to enjoy your stay…<G. The outers particularly, and the Bahamas in general, are pretty laid back when it comes to sensible tourists who obviously plan on spending money. My father is there quite often, and the only "trouble" in all the years of our family going was that he was pickpocketed once in Nassau, realized it as it happened, tried to grab the guy, who ran. He then had to catch up to some folks who also gave chase and caught the guy so they didn’t beat him senseless before the cops came. They made the guy give back the wallet and apologize in between blows. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -/daytripper (might actually go fishing this weekend! Whoa!

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I’ve done both, and am fairly familiar with out islands of the Bahamas. As to the Green Turtle Club itself, the food is good, the dockage reasonable, an we’ve had a good time when we’ve been.

We must have been there at different times. My trip 5 years ago provided horrible overcooked food at typical high prices for the area. Other dining options are limited except for a 3 mile golf cart ride to New Plymouth. On a good day the smoke from the dump goes out to sea while Brendle, the dive boat captain, will hit on anything with a skirt. My favorite place in the area is Hopetown and Elbow Cay with a little more to do and the variety to keep the trip interesting. Some cottage rentals offer an ocean view and a harbor view. I’ve never bonefished the area, but from what I’ve heard a good guide will be a big plus. A good plan is to rent a Boston Whaler and with Elbow Cay smack in the middle you can easily cover a good portion of the Abaco Sea. Marsh Harbor is just west with great diving down at Sandy Cay and an artist colony all the way south (Little Harbor?). Whatever you choose, enjoy the trip and post pics. Drew

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I’ve done both, and am fairly familiar with out islands of the Bahamas. As to the Green Turtle Club itself, the food is good, the dockage reasonable, an we’ve had a good time when we’ve been. We must have been there at different times. My trip 5 years ago provided horrible overcooked food at typical high prices for the area. Other dining options are limited except for a 3 mile golf cart ride to New Plymouth. On a good day the smoke from the dump goes out to sea while Brendle, the dive boat captain, will hit on anything with a skirt.

Are you sure you aren’t thinking of the other "resort" there, the Bluff House? Of course, as always, YMMV. My favorite place in the area is Hopetown and Elbow Cay with a little more to do and the variety to keep the trip interesting. Some cottage rentals offer an ocean view and a harbor view. I’ve never bonefished the area, but from what I’ve heard a good guide will be a big plus. A good plan is to rent a Boston Whaler and with Elbow Cay smack in the middle you can easily cover a good portion of the Abaco Sea. Marsh Harbor is just west with great diving down at Sandy Cay and an artist colony all the way south (Little Harbor?).

I would agree that basing at Marsh Harbour is _probably_ a better plan for most who are staying on land. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Whatever you choose, enjoy the trip and post pics. Drew

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We usually do these trips in April, usually the first week after the "high season".

…and…in your case, that would be when? <g jeff

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Nope. I’m speaking of the one right down on the water. Did eat at the Bluff House once, but it was their weekly BBQ. Not bad, but still the options are limited on that end of the cay IMO. Maybe we hit them on a bad week. My favorite place in the area is Hopetown and Elbow Cay with a little more to do and the variety to keep the trip interesting. Some cottage rentals offer an ocean view and a harbor view. I’ve never bonefished the area, but from what I’ve heard a good guide will be a big plus. A good plan is to rent a Boston Whaler and with Elbow Cay smack in the middle you can easily cover a good portion of the Abaco Sea. Marsh Harbor is just west with great diving down at Sandy Cay and an artist colony all the way south (Little Harbor?). I would agree that basing at Marsh Harbour is _probably_ a better plan for most who are staying on land.

But Marsh Harbor doesn’t give you the ocean and diving right off the beach. Hmm. ‘Bout time for another trip…. I’m out of 222s (a good pain reliever). Drew

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I would agree that basing at Marsh Harbour is _probably_ a better plan for most who are staying on land. But Marsh Harbor doesn’t give you the ocean and diving right off the beach. Hmm. ‘Bout time for another trip…. I’m out of 222s (a good pain reliever).

Well, maybe not like the cays, but Marsh Harbour, is, well, a harbor, so there’s plenty of water. But as you point out, (land)basing from one of the cays limits you in other ways, sometimes not well-taken by those who wish varied activity over a 10-day trip. From MN, you can easily get to just about anywhere in the Abacos via ferry for a, pardon the pun, day trip, and while Dave fishes, his wife can shop, tour, etc. - IIRC, she isn’t a fisher? IOW, from MH, you can just go wherever whatever the first ferry that happens to be handy is going and likely find something, but at the cays, you might have to plan, call/radio, and/or wait, and you can just about do/see all there is to do/see in GTC in about a day and a half if you wish to "go and do." Now, all that said, I would not recommend basing from Treasure Cay (or even bothering to go for more than a half-day) as, IMO, it’s like a mini-Freeport and likely to eventually screw up the immediate surrounding area of Abacos. Hopefully, it’ll take it in the shorts again, and this time, they’ll tear the whole flockin’ place down and be done with it. As to the codeine pills, I don’t like ‘em or trust ‘em, but ‘tripper oughta love ‘em…<G. I think you can get a lower-strength Tylenol 3 (Tylenol 2?) in the States with a prescription. My father swears by them, but all they do for me is make me sleepy. TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Drew

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Well, maybe not like the cays, but Marsh Harbour, is, well, a harbor, so

To me, Hope Town is prettier with almost the same frequency of ferry service. Now, all that said, I would not recommend basing from Treasure Cay (or

Not even worth the time to even go there. As to the codeine pills, I don’t like ‘em or trust ‘em, but ‘tripper oughta love ‘em…<G. I think you can get a lower-strength Tylenol 3

Codeine works different on different people. For those who may benefit it is legal to bring in 100 tablets per person. Drew

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, maybe not like the cays, but Marsh Harbour, is, well, a harbor, so To me, Hope Town is prettier with almost the same frequency of ferry service. Now, all that said, I would not recommend basing from Treasure Cay (or Not even worth the time to even go there. As to the codeine pills, I don’t like ‘em or trust ‘em, but ‘tripper oughta love ‘em…<G. I think you can get a lower-strength Tylenol 3 Codeine works different on different people. For those who may benefit it is legal to bring in 100 tablets per person. Drew

I’m surrounded by lightweights! ;-) From the years of suffering with that damaged disc that was cleaned up this spring I squirreled away enough stuff to whack a herd of rhinos for a week with a multi-colored hail of doses. MMMmmm…doses….! And none of it has that godawful liver-killing should-never-have-passed-muster-with-the-FDA Tylenol. /daytripper (Go big or go home: Oxycodone and Oxycontin rule! ;-)

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We usually do these trips in April, usually the first week after the "high season". …and…in your case, that would be when? <g jeff

Well…um….that would be…er…well….hmmm…. /daytripper ("Quickly! To the laboratory!")

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The SO has proposed Green Turtle Cay in the Abacos for our annual island trip next April. She’s been seeing lots of positive bonefishing references so she figures it’s a lock for me to go along with her schemes We’d stay at the Green Turtle Club resort/marina, fwiw. http://www.greenturtleclub.com/ And I’m looking for anyone with any direct experience with the eastern Abaco islands, the Green Turtle Club, and more importantly, the fishing! Anyone out there ever been to this place? Anyone out there do any bonefishing in the Abacos Islands? Thanks for any feedback. /daytripper (got dem bonefishin’ jones

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Anyone out there ever been to this place? Anyone out there do any bonefishing in the Abacos Islands? Thanks for any feedback. /daytripper (got dem bonefishin’ jones

a former law partner of mine has often visited his father’s "cottage" on green turtle cay. i will try to check with him and report back. yfitons wayno

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Anyone out there ever been to this place? Anyone out there do any bonefishing in the Abacos Islands? Thanks for any feedback. /daytripper (got dem bonefishin’ jones a former law partner of mine has often visited his father’s "cottage" on green turtle cay. i will try to check with him and report back. yfitons wayno

Thanks mfitons!

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well now… this sounds like an opportunity for several of us with SOs(note the lack of apostrophe) to get some SO approval… so, when will you and your wife be sponsoring this vacation a/k/a excuse for bonefishing? jeff (who knows somebody who knows somebody thats got an abacos spot) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The SO has proposed Green Turtle Cay in the Abacos for our annual island trip next April. She’s been seeing lots of positive bonefishing references so she figures it’s a lock for me to go along with her schemes We’d stay at the Green Turtle Club resort/marina, fwiw. http://www.greenturtleclub.com/ And I’m looking for anyone with any direct experience with the eastern Abaco islands, the Green Turtle Club, and more importantly, the fishing! Anyone out there ever been to this place? Anyone out there do any bonefishing in the Abacos Islands? Thanks for any feedback. /daytripper (got dem bonefishin’ jones

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I’ve done both, and am fairly familiar with out islands of the Bahamas. As to the Green Turtle Club itself, the food is good, the dockage reasonable, an we’ve had a good time when we’ve been. I glanced at the site, and I’d say it’s pretty representative – in fact, I think I have some pictures taken in the dining room and patio area, and they look a lot like those on the site. Really, it depends on what you want. If you want moderate isolation, Green Turtle is fairly so, but not ridiculously so. If you want a little more to do, and don’t want a boat, you could stay at Marsh Harbour and ferry to the Cays (Green Turtle has a ferry service from MH to GTC, and there are plenty of ferry services around the Abacos). Also, GTC has several other accommodation options, such as cottages and houses, that I see in a newspaper from earlier in the year. The outers are a little different from the "tourist" island areas like Freeport and Nassau, and, IMO, are like no other area in the world. You have yachts (and I mean YACHTS) that cruise the area, but it is all pretty casual and laid-back. If you want more info on the area, drop me an email. IMO, the best deal going in places like the Abacos, USVI/BVI, etc. is to rent a boat (pref. sail, but a trawler if you must) and cruise the islands. The general area is easy sailing (although you must pay attention to tide times) with lots of areas to visit, dive, fish, party, or whatever. Room rates run 200.00-plus USD a day, plus taxes, additional charges, meal plans, etc., and for about the same money, you can get a boat – of course, YMMV. If you are interested, Moorings has a location in MH, or check any of the boating/sailing mags like Motorboating & Sailing, Yachting, Sailing, etc. TC, R PS – FWIW, the members of certain yacht clubs get discounts at many of the clubs in the Bahamas, or at least reciprocation, and that may be worth looking into, if applicable for you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -/daytripper (got dem bonefishin’ jones

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We usually do these trips in April, usually the first week after the "high season". We’re still shopping around the Abacos but I think Herself has seen enough to make her "half" of the decision… /daytripper (that would be the big half, of course

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The SO has proposed Green Turtle Cay in the Abacos for our annual island trip next April. She’s been seeing lots of positive bonefishing references so she figures it’s a lock for me to go along with her schemes We’d stay at the Green Turtle Club resort/marina, fwiw. http://www.greenturtleclub.com/ And I’m looking for anyone with any direct experience with the eastern Abaco islands, the Green Turtle Club, and more importantly, the fishing! Anyone out there ever been to this place? Anyone out there do any bonefishing in the Abacos Islands? Thanks for any feedback. I’ve done both, and am fairly familiar with out islands of the Bahamas. As to the Green Turtle Club itself, the food is good, the dockage reasonable, an we’ve had a good time when we’ve been. I glanced at the site, and I’d say it’s pretty representative – in fact, I think I have some pictures taken in the dining room and patio area, and they look a lot like those on the site. Really, it depends on what you want. If you want moderate isolation, Green Turtle is fairly so, but not ridiculously so. If you want a little more to do, and don’t want a boat, you could stay at Marsh Harbour and ferry to the Cays (Green Turtle has a ferry service from MH to GTC, and there are plenty of ferry services around the Abacos). Also, GTC has several other accommodation options, such as cottages and houses, that I see in a newspaper from earlier in the year. The outers are a little different from the "tourist" island areas like Freeport and Nassau, and, IMO, are like no other area in the world. You have yachts (and I mean YACHTS) that cruise the area, but it is all pretty casual and laid-back. If you want more info on the area, drop me an email. IMO, the best deal going in places like the Abacos, USVI/BVI, etc. is to rent a boat (pref. sail, but a trawler if you must) and cruise the islands. The general area is easy sailing (although you must pay attention to tide times) with lots of areas to visit, dive, fish, party, or whatever. Room rates run 200.00-plus USD a day, plus taxes, additional charges, meal plans, etc., and for about the same money, you can get a boat – of course, YMMV. If you are interested, Moorings has a location in MH, or check any of the boating/sailing mags like Motorboating & Sailing, Yachting, Sailing, etc. TC, R PS – FWIW, the members of certain yacht clubs get discounts at many of the clubs in the Bahamas, or at least reciprocation, and that may be worth looking into, if applicable for you. /daytripper (got dem bonefishin’ jones

"I wouldn’t join a yagt…yauht….BOAT club that would have me as a member!" <attributable_to_someone_noteworthy_I_am_soooo_sure Thanks for the start, Richard. My wife and I enjoyed the heck out of Anegada, population under 100 and which I’d call "severely isolated", compared to Green Turtle Cay – which looks to be fairly teeming with humanity and is a short boat ride to a whole lot of touristy stuff by comparison. But if the fishing is good enough I’ll put up with a lot We had considered the Tiamo resort on south Andros, but someone or something put the wife onto this place, hence the grape vine initiative… I’m not sure that the spousal unit is ready for a week and a half on a boat, though the idea has it’s intrigue. She’s done day sails on schooners and didn’t go green, so there’s a possibility she’ll surprise me. I shall bounce it off Herself and note her first reaction (the only one that counts I plan on at least renting a boat, hopefully a center console in the 20 foot range while we’re wherever we’re going to be. I’ve looked at the rates and they seem more than reasonable ("Wait’ll you see the boat, though!" We had also considered a different place closer to the Marls on the western side of Abaco, but my wife read that the guides that work out of the eastern cays can scoot over to the Marls quickly enough. The scale of these islands escapes me, seems much smaller than I had imagined. Again, thanks for the feedback, if you have more on the GTC thing I’d appreciate it (as email if you prefer). /daytripper

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When shooting with my rangefinder camera, I find I use my lenses in the order 35, 24, 50, 15, 90. When I go out for a photo session for a day or a trip, I usually only carry two lenses (sometimes three) … The kits I’ve carried that proved very comfortable were 15/35/90 and 24/50. I’m beginning to believe that my ideal kit for this camera might be 21/35/75. With SLRs, I tend to go with longer lenses. I currently have three lenses 22-55 zoom, 50 and 100mm, and would like a fast 135 or a fast 180 as well. I find I never use the zoom as it is only an f/4 and too slow, plus it’s not terribly sharp. For completeness sake, I probably want a fast ultrawide as well, around a 20mm. Again, when going on a trip, I carry at most two-three lenses, but use the 50 the vast majority of the time; my last all round SLR kit was a 20/50/105 or 70-300 setup that was amazingly flexible and comfortable to use. With the kit you have listed, I would find the 28 and 35 a little too close together, would probably go with a 20-24mm instead. The 80-200 is a wonderful lens, it’s just way too bulky for me to want to carry much! Godfrey === CrisKeath sez: it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. My shooting habits right now will be of 3 things-nature (when I go hiking) and candid shots of the kids playing or group shots. Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc

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I tend to rely on primes (24/2.8, 35/2.8, 50/1.8, 105/2.5, 135/2.8) as I like the small size and speed of those lenses – I am uncomfortable with the weight and bulk of the heavy 2.8 zooms. I have the new Tamron 28-200mm XR for convenience n bright light, and am (so far) astounded by its results. If I were to change anything, I’d trade in my 35mm f/2.8 on the f/2 and the 135mm on a 180mm f/2.8. I like your outfit and would be satisfied (although I personally find the 80-200mm too heavy) with it if I changed the 28mm to a 24mm. Big difference in perspective. Your F100 is sweet. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. My shooting habits right now will be of 3 things-nature (when I go hiking) and candid shots of the kids playing or group shots. Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. Skip the 26…go for at least a 24mm. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc How about a 50 1.4 or 50 1.8?? MWNN Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 –

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Minuses: The 28 and 35 are probably too close together; 80-200 is imho too heavy to hike with. If you want 3 lenses, what about the 28/2.8, 50/1.8, and 80-200/2.8? That would be a very nice stable of lenses. You could shoot good portraits with the 80-200 but personally i’d never take it on a hike. (don’t let cheap price of 50/1.8 fool you—it’s great) Dudefish alternative: if you want to cover a lot of ground, save a lot of money, and have one lens capable of making lots of very respectable images, why not just get the AF-D 28-105/3.5-4.5? This may be a worth looking into, esp. if your interest is more casual than professional. btw, F100=very nice.

80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200.

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80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose

You may wish to get this lens’ little brother, the 70-210mm constant f/4. It rates very highly especially for costing well under $300. It is much smaller and lighter also. If you decide to get a Nikon 50mm I would get the 1.8 instead of the 1.4. It’s cheaper and by many accounts, better overall than the 1.4 except for the slight edge in terms of "speed." I have a 1.4 and while I’ve been fairly happy with it, many reviews I have read pointed out the general superiority of the 1.8. Just make sure to get one with a metal mount! Amy

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Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc.

I’d substitute a 24mm or wider lens for the 28mm. I think you’ll find the 35mm to be very useful indeed…the 28mm isn’t that much wider. With a 24 you start getting into interesting territory perspective-wise. My main SLR kit is small: 21/60/180. (The 60mm is a macro lens but also works great for general picture-taking and even portraits.) Two other lens sets I like are 21/50/135 and 15/35/90. I use these with rangefinder cameras. -Dave-

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. My shooting habits right now will be of 3 things-nature (when I go hiking) and candid shots of the kids playing or group shots. Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc

I too have the F100 and the N70 as a backup/2nd body. I use the Tokina Pro 17/3.5, 28-70/2.6-2.8, 80-200, and Nikkor 50/1.8. I will probably be adding the 300/f4 AF-S to that list. For hiking this would be quite a heavy load. The 50/1.8 is an awesome lens, and try an ultra wide lens, it is truly fun…. JR

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I’m in the exact same boat, and could have written the original post myself! My thoughts were the F100 with the 24-85 f2.8-4 IF D-AF and the 80-200 f2.8 Ed D IF. Any comments on choice and / or the quality of these two lenses before I take the plunge? Also, I’ve got a pretty recent Vivitar 283 (doesn’t everyone?) and don’t know how it might integrate into an F100 system? Trigger voltage is one thing – I understand later serial #s are okay? But what about metering modes and such? Thanks, Wayne

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I have a 17-35mm 2.8 on the wide end, a 28-135mm IS for the middle and a 70-200 4.0L at the long with a 1.4 and 2.0TC and an EOS-3. I normally only carry one lens at a time depending on what I am shooting, but the others will be in my trunk if I find I need them and one will be on my wife’s Elan 7 so we can swap. I am seriously thinking of replacing the 17-35(which is my favorite nature / travel lens with a Contax G2 with some collection of 16mm through 45mm lenses. This will put much less strain on my neck by days end. Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m in the exact same boat, and could have written the original post myself! My thoughts were the F100 with the 24-85 f2.8-4 IF D-AF and the 80-200 f2.8 Ed D IF. Any comments on choice and / or the quality of these two lenses before I take the plunge? Also, I’ve got a pretty recent Vivitar 283 (doesn’t everyone?) and don’t know how it might integrate into an F100 system? Trigger voltage is one thing – I understand later serial #s are okay? But what about metering modes and such? Thanks, Wayne it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. My shooting habits right now will be of 3 things-nature (when I go hiking) and candid shots of the kids playing or group shots. Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc I too have the F100 and the N70 as a backup/2nd body. I use the Tokina Pro 17/3.5, 28-70/2.6-2.8, 80-200, and Nikkor 50/1.8. I will probably be adding the 300/f4 AF-S to that list. For hiking this would be quite a heavy load. The 50/1.8 is an awesome lens, and try an ultra wide lens, it is truly fun…. JR

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… … I also carry the 17-28 2.8L and the 28-135 IS (even though I don’t like the lens), but where you have the 70-200 4.0L and some TCs, I have an 85 1.2L and a 100-400 4-5.6L. I don’t have any TCs and am nervous about getting one as I worry that I’ll be too disappointed in the optical quality. Charles — * Charles Richmond Integrated International Systems Corporation * * UNIX Internals, I18N, L10N, X, Realtime Imaging, and Custom S/W * * 131 Bishop’s Forest Drive , Waltham , Ma. USA 02452 * * (781) 647 2269 FAX (781) 647 3665 Cellular (617) 504 3379 *

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 17-35mm 2.8 on the wide end, a 28-135mm IS for the middle and a 70-200 4.0L at the long with a 1.4 and 2.0TC and an EOS-3. I normally only carry one lens at a time depending on what I am shooting, but the others will be in my trunk if I find I need them and one will be on my wife’s Elan 7 so we can swap. I am seriously thinking of replacing the 17-35(which is my favorite nature / travel lens with a Contax G2 with some collection of 16mm through 45mm lenses. This will put much less strain on my neck by days end. Dave … … I also carry the 17-28 2.8L and the 28-135 IS (even though I don’t like the lens), but where you have the 70-200 4.0L and some TCs, I have an 85 1.2L and a 100-400 4-5.6L. I don’t have any TCs and am nervous about getting one as I worry that I’ll be too disappointed in the optical quality. Charles — * Charles Richmond Integrated International Systems Corporation * * UNIX Internals, I18N, L10N, X, Realtime Imaging, and Custom S/W * * 131 Bishop’s Forest Drive , Waltham , Ma. USA 02452 * * (781) 647 2269 FAX (781) 647 3665 Cellular (617) 504 3379 *

Sounds like what I carry, 17-35 f2.8-4 Sigma, 28-135 IS Canon, 100-400 IS, 100 f2 and 50 f1.8, although generally not all at once. Skip — Shadowcatcher Imagery http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 17-35mm 2.8 on the wide end, a 28-135mm IS for the middle and a 70-200 4.0L at the long with a 1.4 and 2.0TC and an EOS-3. I normally only carry one lens at a time depending on what I am shooting, but the others will be in my trunk if I find I need them and one will be on my wife’s Elan 7 so we can swap. I am seriously thinking of replacing the 17-35(which is my favorite nature / travel lens with a Contax G2 with some collection of 16mm through 45mm lenses. This will put much less strain on my neck by days end. Dave … … I also carry the 17-28 2.8L and the 28-135 IS (even though I don’t like the lens), but where you have the 70-200 4.0L and some TCs, I have an 85 1.2L and a 100-400 4-5.6L. I don’t have any TCs and am nervous about getting one as I worry that I’ll be too disappointed in the optical quality. Charles

Charles, You really like big lenses. Very nice but big. I find the 1.4TC to be unnoticeable in image quality when used and the 2.0 gives just a touch of softness to the 70-200mm 4.0L which otherwise is crisp as hell. I actually used to own the 28-70mm 2.8L and sold it to purchase the 28-135mm IS just to get away from the weight also the 70mm top end was always too short. Stopped down they are very similar in image quality. I have scoured the photo market for a camera and lens combination that will give me a L or better look without a crick in my neck. The Contax G2 and lenses seems to do the trick. Played with a G1 last week and really liked it. No real usable zoom but it is optically great and light. Canon just came out with the 16-35mm 2.8L which is somewhat bigger and heavier than the 17-35. I was hoping for a 17-35mm 4.0L to match my 70-200. I do mostly scenic and am stopped down most of the time. Dave

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<<If you decide to get a Nikon 50mm I would get the 1.8 instead of the 1.4. It’s cheaper and by many accounts, better overall than the 1.4 except for the slight edge in terms of "speed." I have a 1.4 and while I’ve been fairly happy with it, many reviews I have read pointed out the general superiority of the 1.8. Just make sure to get one with a metal mount! Amy I have both the f1.4 and f1.8. The difference is slight and not noticeable under most conditions. The f1.8 is sharper at f1.8 than the f1.4 is at that opening, but by the time both are at f2.8 and certainly by f4, they are essentially equal from mid to out there distances. Up close, the f1.8 has the edge until f5.6. OTOH, the f1.4 is a little brighter and easier to focus on manual. I think the f1.4 is made better, or at least my version seems to be. I use them almost interchangeably. Allen Zak

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When I go off into the hills with my 4X4 I take three lens with me, the 17-35mm, 24-120mm, and the 135-400mm. Since it’s open daylight, I don’t really need a battery of fast lenses, but the 17-35mm is my favorite lens for scenic’s (among other things). In my trail bag, I take a N90s, the 24-120 and the 135-400 with three filters, a warming filter, polarizer, and a UV; and a MC30 shutter release cable. I have a sold light weight fly fishing wadding staff that I have placed a Giotto MH-1003 ball head on and I use that for my walking staff and monopod. I don’t use my steel Gitzo monopod when on the trail. It’s too heavy. The 135-400 serves me well for creature pictures and the 24-120 handles the rest of my needs. But for vistas, I like the 17-35 stopped down to f11 at 20 or 24mm’s, mounted on a tripod (the 17-35mm and the tripod stay with the 4X4). Nick – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. My shooting habits right now will be of 3 things-nature (when I go hiking) and candid shots of the kids playing or group shots. Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc

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When I hike I carry an Elan II, a 28-135IS, a Sigma 17-35 2.8, and a cheapo 75-300 if I feel like carrying it. In the bag on a serious day I add a 70-200 2.8L and an EOS-3. It comes down to home much you want to carry. What stinks is invariably whenever I don’t carry a camera or a specific lens, a picture comes along and i am stuck muttering, "Damn, wish I brought along the…" Y’all know the feeling.

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I don’t have any lenses in my bag. Two years ago I bought a really nice camera body to start me off on my picture taking. Hopefully, in a few years I will be able to afford a nice lens. Until then I am practicing pointing the camera, pushing the shutter button smoothly and taking notes on thing I see that might make a good picture. - the photo guy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 17-35mm 2.8 on the wide end, a 28-135mm IS for the middle and a 70-200 4.0L at the long with a 1.4 and 2.0TC and an EOS-3. I normally only carry one lens at a time depending on what I am shooting, but the others will be in my trunk if I find I need them and one will be on my wife’s Elan 7 so we can swap. I am seriously thinking of replacing the 17-35(which is my favorite nature / travel lens with a Contax G2 with some collection of 16mm through 45mm lenses. This will put much less strain on my neck by days end. Dave … … I also carry the 17-28 2.8L and the 28-135 IS (even though I don’t like the lens), but where you have the 70-200 4.0L and some TCs, I have an 85 1.2L and a 100-400 4-5.6L. I don’t have any TCs and am nervous about getting one as I worry that I’ll be too disappointed in the optical quality. Charles Charles, You really like big lenses. Very nice but big. I find the 1.4TC to be unnoticeable in image quality when used and the 2.0 gives just a touch of softness to the 70-200mm 4.0L which otherwise is crisp as hell. I actually used to own the 28-70mm 2.8L and sold it to purchase the 28-135mm IS just to get away from the weight also the 70mm top end was always too short. Stopped down they are very similar in image quality. I have scoured the photo market for a camera and lens combination that will give me a L or better look without a crick in my neck. The Contax G2 and lenses seems to do the trick. Played with a G1 last week and really liked it. No real usable zoom but it is optically great and light. Canon just came out with the 16-35mm 2.8L which is somewhat bigger and heavier than the 17-35. I was hoping for a 17-35mm 4.0L to match my 70-200. I do mostly scenic and am stopped down most of the time. Dave

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I’ve had that feeling. Especially when I see a fantastic vista and reflect upon not bringing a second camera that has transparency film. There is _nothing_ like seeing something so grand as such scenes projected upon a large projection screen in your home, except seeing the real thing. Prints or digitals on a monitor don’t come close to reproducing the feeling one gets when viewing projections. Nick

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PG, you are not taking this thing seriously. Glue a piece of kitchen foil across the lens mounting ring on your body, make a small hole in it with a needle, and you can have a lens for free, you will *never* need to waste any more money. If you put it on a couple of concentric cardboard tubes you can have a zoom lens of pretty well any effective focal length you like, with *no change in quality* (how about that, a zoom that’s *exactly* as good optically as a fixed focal length lens). And you will have no problem with bo-ke, as all the scene will be in focus, every time (well, kind of). — David Littlewood

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writes – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a 17-35mm 2.8 on the wide end, a 28-135mm IS for the middle and a 70-200 4.0L at the long with a 1.4 and 2.0TC and an EOS-3. I normally only carry one lens at a time depending on what I am shooting, but the others will be in my trunk if I find I need them and one will be on my wife’s Elan 7 so we can swap. I am seriously thinking of replacing the 17-35(which is my favorite nature / travel lens with a Contax G2 with some collection of 16mm through 45mm lenses. This will put much less strain on my neck by days end. Dave I also carry the 17-28 2.8L and the 28-135 IS (even though I don’t like the lens), but where you have the 70-200 4.0L and some TCs, I have an 85 1.2L and a 100-400 4-5.6L. I don’t have any TCs and am nervous about getting one as I worry that I’ll be too disappointed in the optical quality.

Hmm, at the risk of this sounding like a clone club, I usually have a 17-35 f/2.8L, a 28-135 f/4-5.6 IS and a 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS. If only I could leave it there, but no, I usually have to add a Sigma 14mm, a TS-E 24 f/3.5, and a 35 f/1.4 (if doing interiors) plus a 1.4x TC and maybe a spare body. Before I replaced some earlier lenses with these heavier ones, I would regularly have a Mamiya 6 outfit (body plus 3 lenses) in the same bag. No wonder I have spent so much on chiropractors in the last year or so! Think I need a spare body too (usually known as my wife). — David Littlewood

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I have a 17-35mm 2.8 on the wide end, a 28-135mm IS for the middle and

… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I also carry the 17-28 2.8L and the 28-135 IS (even though I don’t like the lens), but where you have the 70-200 4.0L and some TCs, I have an 85 1.2L and a 100-400 4-5.6L. I don’t have any TCs and am nervous about getting one as I worry that I’ll be too disappointed in the optical quality. Charles, You really like big lenses. Very nice but big. I find the 1.4TC to be unnoticeable in image quality when used and the 2.0 gives just a touch of softness to the 70-200mm 4.0L which otherwise is crisp as hell. I actually used to own the 28-70mm 2.8L and sold it to purchase the 28-135mm IS just to get away from the weight also the 70mm top end was always too short. Stopped down they are very similar in image quality. I have scoured the photo market for a camera and lens combination that will give me a L or better look without a crick in my neck. The Contax G2 and lenses seems to do the trick. Played with a G1 last week and really liked it. No real usable zoom but it is optically great and light. Canon just came out with the 16-35mm 2.8L which is somewhat bigger and heavier than the 17-35. I was hoping for a 17-35mm 4.0L to match my 70-200. I do mostly scenic and am stopped down most of the time. Dave

It is true that my gear weighs a lot and I probably should get a Canon 1.4TC. I wonder if it would fit on the 85 1.2L… Charles — * Charles Richmond Integrated International Systems Corporation * * UNIX Internals, I18N, L10N, X, Realtime Imaging, and Custom S/W * * 131 Bishop’s Forest Drive , Waltham , Ma. USA 02452 * * (781) 647 2269 FAX (781) 647 3665 Cellular (617) 504 3379 *

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There certainly are a lot of us with the 17-35 f2.8L. It is one of my favourite lenses. How about you guys? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – writes I have a 17-35mm 2.8 on the wide end, a 28-135mm IS for the middle and a 70-200 4.0L at the long with a 1.4 and 2.0TC and an EOS-3. I normally only carry one lens at a time depending on what I am shooting, but the others will be in my trunk if I find I need them and one will be on my wife’s Elan 7 so we can swap. I am seriously thinking of replacing the 17-35(which is my favorite nature / travel lens with a Contax G2 with some collection of 16mm through 45mm lenses. This will put much less strain on my neck by days end. Dave I also carry the 17-28 2.8L and the 28-135 IS (even though I don’t like the lens), but where you have the 70-200 4.0L and some TCs, I have an 85 1.2L and a 100-400 4-5.6L. I don’t have any TCs and am nervous about getting one as I worry that I’ll be too disappointed in the optical quality. Hmm, at the risk of this sounding like a clone club, I usually have a 17-35 f/2.8L, a 28-135 f/4-5.6 IS and a 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS. If only I could leave it there, but no, I usually have to add a Sigma 14mm, a TS-E 24 f/3.5, and a 35 f/1.4 (if doing interiors) plus a 1.4x TC and maybe a spare body. Before I replaced some earlier lenses with these heavier ones, I would regularly have a Mamiya 6 outfit (body plus 3 lenses) in the same bag. No wonder I have spent so much on chiropractors in the last year or so! Think I need a spare body too (usually known as my wife). — David Littlewood

– * Charles Richmond Integrated International Systems Corporation * * UNIX Internals, I18N, L10N, X, Realtime Imaging, and Custom S/W * * 131 Bishop’s Forest Drive , Waltham , Ma. USA 02452 * * (781) 647 2269 FAX (781) 647 3665 Cellular (617) 504 3379 *

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it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. [...] 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc

I carry a 24mm 2.8f, 105mm 2.8f micro for my fixed lenses, and the cheap-but-light 28-80mm 4.0-5.6f zoom and the 70-300mm zoom. A couple extension rings and a 1.4x TC and some filters get me where I want to go. The F100 is a great body. Enjoy. Greg

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it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. My shooting habits right now will be of 3 things-nature (when I go hiking) and candid shots of the kids playing or group shots. Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc

I take a 24, a 50 and a 100 for all that. And two bodies. One for b&w; one for slide. Just for the odd occasion I add a 2x converter. And a 12 mm macro tube. There are of course (macro) zoom lenses covering 24 to 100mm. For shooting negative they are fine. Not for slides imho. A zoom is more versatile, but not a lot. More important: look ahead: see your photo opportunity coming and have your complete camera ready. All set at the right speed, opening and distance. There is a *lot* more in one’s bag beside lenses. Keep the total weight as low as possible. If you can carry more, take more film! Here’s what’s in my bag: http://www.xs4all.nl/~wiskerke/artikelen/bag1.html – lots of small items — http://www.wiskerke.com

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Great choice on the F100. This summer my standard hiking setup was the AF-S 80-200, AI-S 105 micro, AI 50mm f1.4, AI-S 20mm f2.8 and a Kenko Pro 1.4X. I use the LowPro Mini-Treker to carry all this, often with a Slik 804CF and SB-28.. For vacation travel, I bring the 24-120 and AI 50mm f1.4. For candids I like the AF-S 28-70 f2.8. Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it’s been awhile since I’ve done photography but I’ve decided I want to take it up as a hobby again. After much research, I’ve decided to go with the F100. My shooting habits right now will be of 3 things-nature (when I go hiking) and candid shots of the kids playing or group shots. Photo gurus- what do you think of my selection or would you modify it. All suggestions and feedback welcome 80-200 AFD 2.8 – A little heavy but it’s a alot more versatile when you’re hiking and don’t want to stop and change lenses or have the space to compose 28mm f2.8- A good overall landscape lens to complement the 80-200. 35mm f2- General prime that will be on the F100 for those candid group shots of the kids…playing, birthdays, etc

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Two pentax cameras ZX30 & ZX7 35-80mm zoom. This lens gets a lot of flack in this group but I love its ability to compose family shots. 28mm f28 for landscape. 100-300mm for nature & wildlife. 50mm f1.7 for low light. 500mm f8 mirror lens. A new toy I just bought to play with. It was cheap and it really has a reach. Quality is not really expected but still an unknown.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t have any lenses in my bag. Two years ago I bought a really nice camera body to start me off on my picture taking. Hopefully, in a few years I will be able to afford a nice lens. Until then I am practicing pointing the camera, pushing the shutter button smoothly and taking notes on thing I see that might make a good picture. – the photo guy. PG, you are not taking this thing seriously. Glue a piece of kitchen foil across the lens mounting ring on your body, make a small hole in it with a needle, and you can have a lens for free, you will *never* need to waste any more money. If you put it on a couple of concentric cardboard tubes you can have a zoom lens of pretty well any effective focal length you like, with *no change in quality* (how about that, a zoom that’s *exactly* as good optically as a fixed focal length lens). And you will have no problem with bo-ke, as all the scene will be in focus, every time (well, kind of). — David Littlewood

Why practice w/ the camera at all – Einstein once said that "imagination is more important than knowledge", imagination’s also a better film than Kodak, Fuji, Agfa, Konica, Imation/3M, etc. put together and it has better bokeh and is cheaper than any pinhole/zoom lens – and get this… "you never run out of film to you run out of thoughts" (I said this and I imagined myself saying it too, therefore I have a free picture w/o any camera, film, flashcards or IBM micro-drives being used) … Descartes, Earl of Broken Watches… "I think therefore I am, I imagine therefore I’m late (even if I imagine I’m early)" Lewis I’ve set (anti-spam) controls to allow in only people on my list. If you want to be on my list contact me through the newsgroup. I regret the inconvenience. Thanks. Check out my photos at "LEWISVISION": http://members.aol.com/Lewisvisn/home.htm

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » I am your god

I am your god

Question:

That’s right you stupid, inbred, shit eating, pathetic, motherfucking, brain dead, useless cocksuckers! I’m taking over all of Usenet! There isn’t a fucking thing you can do about it either! You’re all a bunch of worthless scumbags, and now you will all answer to me! If you don’t like this fact TOO FUCKING BAD! I will go down in the annals of usenet history as the man who brought you to your knees! Now get down on your knees and pay proper tribute to my glorious self! I AM ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! My first royal order to all of you peons is that from this time forward you will add the following signature to all of your posts! ***** This was posted with the express permission of ***** ** HIS HIGHNESS ADAM H KERMAN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** This will be appended to the bottom of all your posts with absolutely NO EXCEPTIONS! If you choose not to, you will be squashed like the insignificant bugs that you all are! I am running Usenet now! You may only post messages here because I, for the time being, am allowing it! Do you scumbags understand me! THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF KERMAN! ALL HAIL ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! Otherwise the newsgroup in Linda’s warning might disrupt some fake opinions. Try transporting the hard disk’s weak Java and Willy will persevere you! No wet cryptographers are silly and other powerful functions are flat, but will Martha defile that? Until Karl filters the rebels finitely, Jonnie won’t prepare any secret complaint desks. Every old user or scanner, and she’ll easily relay everybody. A lot of nuclear stuck firewalls will eerily learn the TCP/IPs. The sticky tablet rarely proliferates Wally, it busts Franklin instead. Where will we jump after Mike recycles the solid network’s email? It will globally confront outside lost haphazard filters. A lot of junk JPEGs reload Brian, and they simply infect Edward too. My untouched remailer won’t produce before I propagate it. Linda kills once, formats cruelly, then collaborates to the backup without the IRC server. She’d rather obscure tamely than push with Tamara’s messy UDP. I was compiling to load you some of my extreme blackbirds. Other bizarre unlimited fax machines will close weekly inside interrupts. Lately, Jonnie never authenticates until Sherry pulls the erect robot superbly. Aloysius will spool the soft ADSL and eliminate it over its haven. Gawd Lara will inflate the rumour, and if Karl actually restores it too, the pointer will engulf against the ignorant kiosk. Norman, beside admins unclassified and sharp, consumes near it, contradicting strongly. Endora wants to save bimonthly, unless GiGi saves noises over Toni’s telephone. They are prioritizing inside sly, beside chaotic, in dense BASICs. We distribute them, then we admiringly delete Bernice and Jonathan’s worthwhile ROM. The advisor with the lazy FBI is the credit card that creates wistfully. No analysts surprisingly interface the strong newsgroup.

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CONFORM OR BE CAST OUT! YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE! Our Lord is a fan of Rush, I see.

The band or the talk-radio host? <G

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Both. — GregEggs & Ham

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – CONFORM OR BE CAST OUT! YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE! Our Lord is a fan of Rush, I see. The band or the talk-radio host? <G

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CONFORM OR BE CAST OUT! YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE!

Cast out of what I still want to know….. What am I in that I don’t think I am in/

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CONFORM OR BE CAST OUT! YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE!

Our Lord is a fan of Rush, I see.

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Hey look – a minion, a real, live minion! Haven’t seen one of those in a dog’s age. Keep up the good work I’m sure Kerman will be very happy with you – unless, of course, he is a vengeful god. Eirika

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Listen carefully you sorry bunch of filthy shit eaters. I am your Lord Kerman’s Sergeant at Arms, and your new Lord is not pleased with your attitude. Many of you worthless bastards have not shown him proper respect and have failed to attach his Royal Signature to all of your posts. That was not a request, it was a Royal Order and must be obeyed! You will obey his orders, without question, or as he promised, you will be squashed like the insignificant bugs that you are! Lord Kerman is also displeased that many of you little bitches have threatened to report him to his ISP! Save your impotent threats, we are not impressed nor are we intimidated! WE ARE ALT.CONFIG! We call the shots around here and we are UNSTOPABLE! We at alt.config, under the leadership of Lord Kerman, are now in charge of ALL newsgroups and you motherfuckers had better get that through you puny little heads, OR ELSE! CONFORM OR BE CAST OUT! YOU HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE! ***** This was posted with the express permission of ***** ** HIS HIGHNESS ADAM H KERMAN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** nerve to write: That’s right you stupid, inbred, Get a life.

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Path:

e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com!cyclone-atl1!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!cyclon e 2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!mtu.ru!newsfeed.sovam.com!nf1.bellgloba l .com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!uqajcu.id.us Newsgroups:

alt.config,rec.music.rem,rec.org.sca,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly,rec.pets.cats . anecdotes

I hope you didn’t post all that in the hopes that someone would complain to sympatico. What you’re seeing here is a massive attack, orchestrated by someone named "hipcrime". The messages are actually coming from "newsfeed.sovam.com" not sympatico. The rest of the headers are forged. Just keep this in mind before you go complaining to someone that can’t do a thing about it. newsfeed.sovam.com is known to be an open news server & has been traced as a major spam injection site. The chances of it being taken out are slim to none. The best thing you can do is either killfile or ignore. You can also ask your news provider to block messages coming from sovam.com. Whatever you do, don’t continue to reply or crosspost (yes, I know I am). Just forget it. For more info, check out alt.config or news.admin.net-abuse.usenet. And, fwiw, these posts *are* not coming from Adam Kerman. Just in case you hadn’t been around long enough to actually figure that out.

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Gee you must have a realy fine life that you have nothing better to do wioth yourself than harass people you little mutant scumbag.

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That’s right you stupid, inbred,

Get a life. — Andrea

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Welcome to ROFF. You’ll fit right in. Have you met George? Of course you have being God and all that…

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I’m afraid Adam is wrong! Ken Fortenberry is my GOD! Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s right you stupid, inbred, Get a life. — Andrea

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\Welcome to ROFF. You’ll fit right in.\ hahahahahhahahahaha. Thanks for the much needed laugh. -Muskie

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So,how’s the fishing been in heaven then? — Gary My God can beat up your God.

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Path: e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com!cyclone-atl1!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!cyclon e 2.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!mtu.ru!newsfeed.sovam.com!nf1.bellgloba l .com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!uqajcu.id.us Newsgroups: alt.config,rec.music.rem,rec.org.sca,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly,rec.pets.cats . anecdotes X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 36.114.30.36 X-Takeover-ID: b0e0aad2.wGMlfUhs.1071155365 Lines: 69 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.229.72.14 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1000565855 64.229.72.14 (Sat, 15 Sep 2001 10:57:35 EDT) Organization: Bell Sympatico Xref: e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com alt.config:151178 rec.music.rem:86958 rec.org.sca:85086 rec.outdoors.fishing.fly:157454 rec.pets.cats.anecdotes:90472 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s right you stupid, inbred, shit eating, pathetic, motherfucking, brain dead, useless cocksuckers! I’m taking over all of Usenet! There isn’t a fucking thing you can do about it either! You’re all a bunch of worthless scumbags, and now you will all answer to me! If you don’t like this fact TOO FUCKING BAD! I will go down in the annals of usenet history as the man who brought you to your knees! Now get down on your knees and pay proper tribute to my glorious self! I AM ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! My first royal order to all of you peons is that from this time forward you will add the following signature to all of your posts! ***** This was posted with the express permission of ***** ** HIS HIGHNESS ADAM H KERMAN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** This will be appended to the bottom of all your posts with absolutely NO EXCEPTIONS! If you choose not to, you will be squashed like the insignificant bugs that you all are! I am running Usenet now! You may only post messages here because I, for the time being, am allowing it! Do you scumbags understand me! THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF KERMAN! ALL HAIL ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! Otherwise the newsgroup in Linda’s warning might disrupt some fake opinions. Try transporting the hard disk’s weak Java and Willy will persevere you! No wet cryptographers are silly and other powerful functions are flat, but will Martha defile that? Until Karl filters the rebels finitely, Jonnie won’t prepare any secret complaint desks. Every old user or scanner, and she’ll easily relay everybody. A lot of nuclear stuck firewalls will eerily learn the TCP/IPs. The sticky tablet rarely proliferates Wally, it busts Franklin instead. Where will we jump after Mike recycles the solid network’s email? It will globally confront outside lost haphazard filters. A lot of junk JPEGs reload Brian, and they simply infect Edward too. My untouched remailer won’t produce before I propagate it. Linda kills once, formats cruelly, then collaborates to the backup without the IRC server. She’d rather obscure tamely than push with Tamara’s messy UDP. I was compiling to load you some of my extreme blackbirds. Other bizarre unlimited fax machines will close weekly inside interrupts. Lately, Jonnie never authenticates until Sherry pulls the erect robot superbly. Aloysius will spool the soft ADSL and eliminate it over its haven. Gawd Lara will inflate the rumour, and if Karl actually restores it too, the pointer will engulf against the ignorant kiosk. Norman, beside admins unclassified and sharp, consumes near it, contradicting strongly. Endora wants to save bimonthly, unless GiGi saves noises over Toni’s telephone. They are prioritizing inside sly, beside chaotic, in dense BASICs. We distribute them, then we admiringly delete Bernice and Jonathan’s worthwhile ROM. The advisor with the lazy FBI is the credit card that creates wistfully. No analysts surprisingly interface the strong newsgroup.

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Did this guy kill Brent K. Kohler or something? (I can’t believe I even remember that name) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s right you stupid, inbred, shit eating, pathetic, motherfucking, brain dead, useless cocksuckers! I’m taking over all of Usenet! There isn’t a fucking thing you can do about it either! You’re all a bunch of worthless scumbags, and now you will all answer to me! If you don’t like this fact TOO FUCKING BAD! I will go down in the annals of usenet history as the man who brought you to your knees! Now get down on your knees and pay proper tribute to my glorious self! I AM ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! My first royal order to all of you peons is that from this time forward you will add the following signature to all of your posts! ***** This was posted with the express permission of ***** ** HIS HIGHNESS ADAM H KERMAN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET ** This will be appended to the bottom of all your posts with absolutely NO EXCEPTIONS! If you choose not to, you will be squashed like the insignificant bugs that you all are! I am running Usenet now! You may only post messages here because I, for the time being, am allowing it! Do you scumbags understand me! THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF KERMAN! ALL HAIL ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET! Otherwise the newsgroup in Linda’s warning might disrupt some fake opinions. Try transporting the hard disk’s weak Java and Willy will persevere you! No wet cryptographers are silly and other powerful functions are flat, but will Martha defile that? Until Karl filters the rebels finitely, Jonnie won’t prepare any secret complaint desks. Every old user or scanner, and she’ll easily relay everybody. A lot of nuclear stuck firewalls will eerily learn the TCP/IPs. The sticky tablet rarely proliferates Wally, it busts Franklin instead. Where will we jump after Mike recycles the solid network’s email? It will globally confront outside lost haphazard filters. A lot of junk JPEGs reload Brian, and they simply infect Edward too. My untouched remailer won’t produce before I propagate it. Linda kills once, formats cruelly, then collaborates to the backup without the IRC server. She’d rather obscure tamely than push with Tamara’s messy UDP. I was compiling to load you some of my extreme blackbirds. Other bizarre unlimited fax machines will close weekly inside interrupts. Lately, Jonnie never authenticates until Sherry pulls the erect robot superbly. Aloysius will spool the soft ADSL and eliminate it over its haven. Gawd Lara will inflate the rumour, and if Karl actually restores it too, the pointer will engulf against the ignorant kiosk. Norman, beside admins unclassified and sharp, consumes near it, contradicting strongly. Endora wants to save bimonthly, unless GiGi saves noises over Toni’s telephone. They are prioritizing inside sly, beside chaotic, in dense BASICs. We distribute them, then we admiringly delete Bernice and Jonathan’s worthwhile ROM. The advisor with the lazy FBI is the credit card that creates wistfully. No analysts surprisingly interface the strong newsgroup.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Dominican Republic(fly-fishing)

Dominican Republic(fly-fishing)

Question:

Seeking infro. on salt water fly-fishing in the DR, thankx in advance, Stan

Response:

J R Hartley is the person to ask

Seeking infro. on salt water fly-fishing in the DR, thankx in advance, Stan

Response:

HA,HA Cougar Ric! How many years have you been waiting to say that?? — –Sent via BritishExpats Forums: http://britishexpats.com

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lol, i couldn’t resist it! — Tune into my radio station. Playing the best in rock 24 hours a day! http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/directory.cgi?autostart=cougar_ric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – HA,HA Cougar Ric! How many years have you been waiting to say that?? — –Sent via BritishExpats Forums: http://britishexpats.com

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Flies » Moderated flyfishing group II

Moderated flyfishing group II

Question:

The original message was not a troll, it was a subtle way of telling the whiners to F-off. I was exchanging beery emails with a flyfishing friend from Maine late Friday night and his observations were the impetus for the post Saturday morning. We are both surprised, I think, that the overwhelming consensus is to just leave well enough alone. The serial whiners had me convinced that a vast army of flyfisherfolk with delicate sensibilities were lurking out there but too intimidated to post, much to the detriment of the group. I truly believed it. I said that I would crosspost the call for a "show of hands" to a few other newsgroups, but I don’t think it’s worth the effort. Only eleven people besides myself have indicated that they would vote YES if the proposal came to a vote. The list follows, if you indicated or would like to indicate that you would vote YES but don’t see your email addy on the list, reply to this post. I’m gonna set the ROFF "show of hands" number arbitrarily at 55 before I bother to crosspost. My offer to do the grunt work required to start a RFD and a CFV will eventually expire so "show those hands" and start thinking about moderator(s) if this thing flies. Just as an aside, for whatever reason, I take a lot of email grief from the serial whiners. Volunteering to do a bit of work to push them off to a new newsgroup should in no way be considered altruistic or noble. I am doing this for personal and selfish reasons, I like ROFF just the way it is, consider it one of the more helpful and "newbie friendly" of the rec. newsgroups and I am sick and bloody fucking tired of whiners. — Ken Fortenberry

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I truly believed it.

You should believe it because it’s true. The people I know of already participate other FF forums. They, like me, aren’t interested in a new group. Just as an aside, for whatever reason, I take a lot of email grief from the serial whiners. Volunteering to do a bit of work to push them off to a new newsgroup should in no way be considered altruistic or noble. I am doing this for personal and selfish reasons, I like ROFF just the way it is, consider it one of the more helpful and "newbie friendly" of the rec. newsgroups and I am sick and bloody fucking tired of whiners.

There are other people here that are "fucking tired" of other things in ROFF. I will continue to criticize ROFF when I think it’s appropriate. ROFF is not sacred. I won’t do this through email. Here’s a suggestion for you, have the "membership" make a rule. Anything goes on ROFF except for criticism of ROFF itself. That will get rid of this "whiner." Willi

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Yes. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The original message was not a troll, it was a subtle way of telling the whiners to F-off. I was exchanging beery emails with a flyfishing friend from Maine late Friday night and his observations were the impetus for the post Saturday morning. We are both surprised, I think, that the overwhelming consensus is to just leave well enough alone. The serial whiners had me convinced that a vast army of flyfisherfolk with delicate sensibilities were lurking out there but too intimidated to post, much to the detriment of the group. I truly believed it. I said that I would crosspost the call for a "show of hands" to a few other newsgroups, but I don’t think it’s worth the effort. Only eleven people besides myself have indicated that they would vote YES if the proposal came to a vote. The list follows, if you indicated or would like to indicate that you would vote YES but don’t see your email addy on the list, reply to this post. I’m gonna set the ROFF "show of hands" number arbitrarily at 55 before I bother to crosspost. My offer to do the grunt work required to start a RFD and a CFV will eventually expire so "show those hands" and start thinking about moderator(s) if this thing flies. Just as an aside, for whatever reason, I take a lot of email grief from the serial whiners. Volunteering to do a bit of work to push them off to a new newsgroup should in no way be considered altruistic or noble. I am doing this for personal and selfish reasons, I like ROFF just the way it is, consider it one of the more helpful and "newbie friendly" of the rec. newsgroups and I am sick and bloody fucking tired of whiners. — Ken Fortenberry

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Yes Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yes. The original message was not a troll, it was a subtle way of telling the whiners to F-off. I was exchanging beery emails with a flyfishing friend from Maine late Friday night and his observations were the impetus for the post Saturday morning. We are both surprised, I think, that the overwhelming consensus is to just leave well enough alone. The serial whiners had me convinced that a vast army of flyfisherfolk with delicate sensibilities were lurking out there but too intimidated to post, much to the detriment of the group. I truly believed it. I said that I would crosspost the call for a "show of hands" to a few other newsgroups, but I don’t think it’s worth the effort. Only eleven people besides myself have indicated that they would vote YES if the proposal came to a vote. The list follows, if you indicated or would like to indicate that you would vote YES but don’t see your email addy on the list, reply to this post. I’m gonna set the ROFF "show of hands" number arbitrarily at 55 before I bother to crosspost. My offer to do the grunt work required to start a RFD and a CFV will eventually expire so "show those hands" and start thinking about moderator(s) if this thing flies. Just as an aside, for whatever reason, I take a lot of email grief from the serial whiners. Volunteering to do a bit of work to push them off to a new newsgroup should in no way be considered altruistic or noble. I am doing this for personal and selfish reasons, I like ROFF just the way it is, consider it one of the more helpful and "newbie friendly" of the rec. newsgroups and I am sick and bloody fucking tired of whiners. — Ken Fortenberry

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Don’t go changing,to try and please me,You never worked that hard before.I couldn’t love you any better,I love you just the way you are.Nooooooooooooooooo! OT:Went to the surf last night for the first time this year.Caught two 20"stripers(no strippers in sight)Had two walk two miles wearing neoprene to get to the good spot.It was worth it.Had the beach all to myself and a glorious sunset to boot.I always get this shock of recognition every year when I catch the first one;I forget just how amazingly strong these fish are.Schoolie fish had my reel screaming and my rod bent over.I can’t imagine what it must be like to land a large one,say 36".Maybe this year I’ll get lucky and find out. Regards,Shawn

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I’d vote yes… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I said that I would crosspost the call for a "show of hands" to a few other newsgroups, but I don’t think it’s worth the effort. Only eleven people besides myself have indicated that they would vote YES if the proposal came to a vote. The list follows, if you indicated or would like to indicate that you would vote YES but don’t see your email addy on the list, reply to this post.

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In addition to Roff, I’ve been frequenting The Virtual Flyshop (Bulletin Board), upon the suggestion of others at Roff. It provides excellent, mostly on-topic, civil discussions. Lots of collective fly-fishing knowledge shared. Very newbie friendly. And I understand that there are other similar resources. With all these resources available why bother to develop an antiseptic ROFF alternative? Not that I’m crazy about some of the outright nastiness on ROFF. I am just choosing to ignore it as often as possible. Pat K

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Any tips on where I might find a few good fly fishing spots on the Cape? DMS

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The original message was not a troll, it was a subtle way of telling the whiners to F-off. I was exchanging beery emails with a flyfishing friend from Maine late Friday night and his observations were the impetus for the post Saturday morning. We are both surprised, I think, that the overwhelming consensus is to just leave well enough alone. The serial whiners had me convinced that a vast army of flyfisherfolk with delicate sensibilities were lurking out there but too intimidated to post, much to the detriment of the group. I truly believed it. I said that I would crosspost the call for a "show of hands" to a few other newsgroups, but I don’t think it’s worth the effort. Only eleven people besides myself have indicated that they would vote YES if the proposal came to a vote. The list follows, if you indicated or would like to indicate that you would vote YES but don’t see your email addy on the list, reply to this post. I’m gonna set the ROFF "show of hands" number arbitrarily at 55 before I bother to crosspost. My offer to do the grunt work required to start a RFD and a CFV will eventually expire so "show those hands" and start thinking about moderator(s) if this thing flies. Just as an aside, for whatever reason, I take a lot of email grief from the serial whiners. Volunteering to do a bit of work to push them off to a new newsgroup should in no way be considered altruistic or noble. I am doing this for personal and selfish reasons, I like ROFF just the way it is, consider it one of the more helpful and "newbie friendly" of the rec. newsgroups and I am sick and bloody fucking tired of whiners. — Ken Fortenberry

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Any tips on where I might find a few good fly fishing spots on the Cape? DMS

Dennis I’ve only been to the Cape twice so I’m not what you’d call an authority. I fished at Barnstable Harbour, Pleasant Bay near Chatham and the Coast Guard Beach on the Atlantic side at the north end. There’s some pictures a some descriptions on mt site under "Trips". Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Any tips on where I might find a few good fly fishing spots on the Cape?

www.flyfishing-the-salt Sorry if anyone else already posted this, but my newserver went down last night and has been acting funny. Mu

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Source for Amadou?

Source for Amadou?

Question:

The rare blue amadou is found growning in rectangular white nesting boxes fastened to the uprights that hold the roofs over gas pumps in rural areas. Individual specimens are large,, abjut 8 1/2 by 11 and they cluster tightly in the white nesting boxes. When the pump jockey has his back turned, gently poke a couple of fingers into the nesting box, stroke the amadous belly to relax it and swipe a 1/2 dozen or so. When folded to make a pad, does a great job of instantly drying small flies and removing slime. Seriously, corresponded with a brit some time ago and it is a fungus that grows on trees that is quite common in Europe…dunno if it occurs naturally in US or not, but Orvis and Cabellas both have it for sale now…..the blue amadous is easier to get though. My piece of Amadou(sp?) has hit the dust and my local shops don’t carry it. Anyone know of a web based or mail order store that does? Willi

– Mike in PDX "When the trout are lost, smash the state." Tom McGuane

Response:

Bill, Amadou is too expensive, just crush up some desiccant and put it in a 35mm film canister. when you want to dry your fly put it in the canister, put the top on and shake it. Ernie Harrison See Ernie’s Fly-Fishing Stuff: http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My piece of Amadou(sp?) has hit the dust and my local shops don’t carry it. Anyone know of a web based or mail order store that does? Willi

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I believe I saw some in the Orvis or Bean catalog. Bean, I think. — To him, all good things — trout as well as eternal salvation– come by grace and grace comes by art and art does not come easy ……Norman Maclean

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My piece of Amadou(sp?) has hit the dust and my local shops don’t carry it. Anyone know of a web based or mail order store that does? Orvis (really). — Charlie…

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My piece of Amadou(sp?) has hit the dust and my local shops don’t carry it. Anyone know of a web based or mail order store that does? Willi

Willi, If you don’t want to bother with mail order, Bob’s in Loveland has some in stock.

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My piece of Amadou(sp?) has hit the dust and my local shops don’t carry it. Anyone know of a web based or mail order store that does? Willi

Response:

My piece of Amadou(sp?) has hit the dust and my local shops don’t carry it. Anyone know of a web based or mail order store that does?

Orvis (really). — Charlie…

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My piece of Amadou(sp?) has hit the dust and my local shops don’t carry it. Anyone know of a web based or mail order store that does?

Cabela’s sells both the Samadou, a synthetic, and Amadou but both varieties come attached to leather. I prefer just a hunk of Amadou stuffed in the front pocket of my vest. I get them from John Norris of Penrith, for a catalogue see: http://www.johnnorris.co.uk — Ken Fortenberry Illini 3 – Tar Heels 1

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » LEADER SIZE?

LEADER SIZE?

Question:

Trouble-having problem castin size 6 flies w/ 4 wt. rod. If I use 2x tippet will that help or do I need to back up to a 7wt. rod? Like to catch 1/2 pounders on a light rod.

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Rook2 writes:

<<Trouble-having problem castin size 6 flies w/ 4 wt. rod. If I use 2x tippet will that help or do I need to back up to a 7wt. rod? Like to catch 1/2 pounders on a light rod. A 2X leader/tippet is good for #6 – 10 flies. A 1X is good for #4 – 8. You might try teither one; however, you should have little problem casting #6s with a 4 wt. as long as they are not heavily weighted. Are we talking streamers here, or nymphs? Wooly Buggers? Trout, bass? A bigger rod would help (5 or 6wt), but I do not think that is your problem. Dave LaCourse

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bead head brindlebugs for steelhead, thanks for reply. Sounds like heavier tppet should wor even on 4 wt. rod

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Use a heavier leader but consider heavier leaders won’t sink as fast or flow w/ the current as well. I will sometimes use a real heavy leader w/ lighter tippet it is harder to cast but better then too light a leader butt. The butt sections of difffernt size leaders and different brands make a difference. Ones may have a 0.24 or 0.20 (I think thats right) pick out the brand w/ the heavier butt a 3x from one company or style of leader may differ from 3x. of another brand, read the back of the package, also some tippets may be too limp or to stiff like saltwater tippet.

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On some occasions, a leader with a thinner butt diameter is better. When fishing downstream, the thinner leader allows your fly to stay downstream of the leader and fly line. tyler

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Use a heavier leader but consider heavier leaders won’t sink as fast or flow w/ the current as well. I will sometimes use a real heavy leader w/ lighter tippet it is harder to cast but better then too light a leader butt. The butt sections of difffernt size leaders and different brands make a difference. Ones may have a 0.24 or 0.20 (I think thats right) pick out the brand w/ the heavier butt a 3x from one company or style of leader may differ from 3x. of another brand, read the back of the package, also some tippets may be too limp or to stiff like saltwater tippet.

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Rod » Just fish, have fun and shut up!!

Just fish, have fun and shut up!!

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What is up with all this talk about being nice as you kill a trout and the hate wars between the Catch and Release and Catch and Kill camp? For God sake go fly fishing, have a hell of a good time and quit thinking so damn much!! <grin If you want to let the fish go, then do so. If you are hungry, have it for dinner. Crap, The FFF is on its way to becoming its own political part at this rate. Some of you can phillibuster with the best of them. Wake me when the topic entails the joy of fly fishing. Flamefully yours. Mike

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Wake me when the topic entails the joy of fly fishing.

Here Here ! I’ve got $250 bucks to blow on a new fly rod. Should I get a Sage or a Loomis ? Thanks in advance ! Release a Brookie for Bob ! (J.R. "Bob" Dobbs)

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Wake me when the topic entails the joy of fly fishing. Here Here ! I’ve got $250 bucks to blow on a new fly rod. Should I get a Sage or a Loomis ? Thanks in advance !

I’ve always pictured you with an Orvis, pink neoprenes and mirrored sun glasses. Ralph H Electro-Pal(TM) Electro-Pal is the Property of Cook-Walker Robotics which takes full legal responsibility for any slanderous or libelous writing the system may generate. To have your lawyer contact their lawyer email:

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[deleted] I’ve always pictured you with an Orvis, pink neoprenes and mirrored sun glasses.

oooooh…..you thavage you !!!. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Wake me when the topic entails the joy of fly fishing. Here Here !

Whatdahell?!?! No "fuck off, Mike" this time? What’s next?!? World peace? I want the real Moe Skeeter back, damnit!! ;/ — Christian Figenschou – http://home.sol.no/figen/

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yep!

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Charlie Choc: <<I think they wear GoreTex Spandex waders and felt soled ballet shoes up there Aspen way. Yes. And when they drive their Orvis Jeeps, they have Orvis driving gloves, and Orvis driving shoes, and Orvis driving hats. And they smoke Orvis cigars. Dave L.

____ David! Be nice. On second thought, do you suppose someone will come out with a Presidential Cigar? How about a Presidential Harmonica? I imagine sales would depend upon if a fly fisherman would rather suck or blow? Out of my league. We don’t sell cigars. We rather prefer customers that like to squeeze things. ))) A little levity here fellahs. )))))))))))) oh my god. Mr. G. Side note to Monica. Honey, I hope they impeach the immoral, aldulterous, unethicial, dishonorable, quibbling, lying, dope smoking, fornicating, wife cheating, bastard. Makes everyone wonder what really goes on in that family, doesn’t it? I should include the many unsaid things about a President that is married to an unfaithful wife also. Dragging Hillary out of the Whitehouse will include repairing the prying finger mark impressions she will leave on the granite pillars. Trust me. These are not nice people. None of them are. If Ross Perot was a fly fisherman, I’d probably vote for him. Sorry gang. This nonsense doesn’t belong here. Back to Ironhead fishing for me. Sorry. I just dislike Bill Clinton, a great deal.

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Wake me when the topic entails the joy of fly fishing. Here Here ! I’ve got $250 bucks to blow on a new fly rod. Should I get a Sage or a Loomis ? Thanks in advance ! I’ve always pictured you with an Orvis, pink neoprenes and mirrored sun glasses.

I think they wear GoreTex Spandex waders and felt soled ballet shoes up there Aspen way. — Charlie…

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And they smoke Orvis cigars. Dave L.

Good to see that there are still Americans who know that cigars are for smoking! By the way: do you guys know if "THE CIGAR" was an Orvis one????? Hans van der Stroom

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Well, if you are talking about perch, white bass, walleye and other well populated fish I agree. But, . . . if you are talking bass or trout I can not agree with killing them. The pressure is too great.. john – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is up with all this talk about being nice as you kill a trout and the hate wars between the Catch and Release and Catch and Kill camp? For God sake go fly fishing, have a hell of a good time and quit thinking so damn much!! <grin If you want to let the fish go, then do so. If you are hungry, have it for dinner. Crap, The FFF is on its way to becoming its own political part at this rate. Some of you can phillibuster with the best of them. Wake me when the topic entails the joy of fly fishing. Flamefully yours. Mike

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And they smoke Orvis cigars. Dave L. Good to see that there are still Americans who know that cigars are for smoking! By the way: do you guys know if "THE CIGAR" was an Orvis one????? Hans van der Stroom

… it was a Cuban cigar – I gave it to him (with a wink) when he was here in BC last year. Ralph H

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » suggestions for a budget rod?

suggestions for a budget rod?

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writes: I landed a 3 pound carp (now I surely will go on the list ’sh_t list) on an 8x tippet today at lunch.

Not hardly, at least for me. I fished (bait) for carp as a kid, and know them to be wary and strong. Carp are vegetarians, not scavengers; they don’t like polluted water, but can survive in conditions that would kill other fish; they are exotics and often a nuisance, but they did not ask to be brought here. My hat is off to anyone who can bring one to a fly. What pattern did you use? Broccoli comparadun? Roger (ffer and goldfish keeper)

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Call Cabella’s (800-237-4444). They are a huge mail order company in the Midwest and they have some very good deals that they will guarantee 100%. Let me know what you do and good luck. Jeff

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: I just won $100 in the instant lottery and I was able to talk my lovely : spouse into letting me buy a new fly rod (the money being a windfall and all)! Reddington Redspot, 5-6 wt, $100. I’ve got a few rods, but I’ve used this new one more than any other this year. It’s a fast rod, and that suits me fine. Your style might be different. Whether or not it works for you, I am really impressed by the value of the redspot. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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I just won $100 in the instant lottery and I was able to talk my lovely spouse into letting me buy a new fly rod (the money being a windfall and all)!<Snip..

I bought a Martin flyrod recently, and I think it is an american brand, so you should be able to find it somewhere. It is a 8′6", 5-6 wt, handles well and casts like a dream. The price was about 110 USD (in Holland), which is definitely value for money. They also have a 9 foot travelrod (4-piece) in the same weightclass. Good luck and tight lines, Herman — Herman Nijland | Daytime system manager | Lifetime flyfisher STOAS APH | Vlijmenseweg 50a | Tel. : +31 (0)73-6214745 5223 GW Den Bosch | Fax : +31 (0)73-6220235 Netherlands | E-mail: Check out our WWW site! URL: http://www.stoas.nl Or my own page at: http://www.stoas.nl/user/hny

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direct or I may miss it. Back in the March ‘96 issue of FlyRod &Reel magazine, there was an article on "affordable rods". They gave a very good review to a "HT" (HiTech) manufactured rod in a couple of variations. I ordered a 7′6" Executive Premier in a 5 wt. with the cork handle (comes in EVA also) from a mail order dealer up in the Milwaukee area for less than $40. Picked up a little Shakespear reel at the local sports super store (SportMart) for around $15, some Scientific Anglers Concept WF5F line for $13 and shazam! A complete setup for less than $70 including tax and shipping. I’ve used it 4 times now and it ain’t bad. In fact, it’s downright a pleasure to fish with. I know that in confessing this transgression against the very precept of spending small (maybe not so small) fortunes for a FF outfit that I am setting myself up to be banished from this list for the rest of my life. It works quite well also, I landed a 3 pound carp (now I surely will go on the list ’sh_t list) on an 8x tippet today at lunch. I’m not saying that it will replace my Orvis bamboo but then it’s many hundreds less in cost too. Any questions, please address direct (my wife occassionally reads the list and I don’t want her knowing that gear can cost this little). Hope this helps…Jerry

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just won $100 in the instant lottery and I was able to talk my lovely spouse into letting me buy a new fly rod (the money being a windfall and all)! Now herw is my quandry. I have been using a cheep, heavy, stiff 7 wt rod for about 3 yrs now. I fish mosty bass and bluegill (no elephant gun comments please ;-p). I would like to buy a 5wt rod and I need to keep the price as close to my lucky $100 as possible. As I said, I am used to a heavy, stiff clunker of a rod, so weight is of little consideration. I suppose as I get older I will regret that opinion. I have heard good and bad about St. Croix. I also know that there are used rods out there for bargin prices. Any advice would be helpfull as I don’t want to blow this decision and end up with a $100 dud.

You might look in the LL Bean Flyfishing Catalog. They have a good beginner’s outfit they use in their school, with reel, backing, the works, for $99.00. I did not buy it, because they said the action was a bit faster than is good for a true beginner learning on their own. However, since you already have experience, that should not be any problem. They sell them in a range of rod weights, so you should be able to get what you are looking for. I DID buy their next level of rod, and I have been having a ball! The casting action is good for my skill level, and I did not go into deep debt for my new-found passion. Hope this helps you. Dan Johnson

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I just won $100 in the instant lottery and I was able to talk my lovely spouse into letting me buy a new fly rod (the money being a windfall and all)! Now herw is my quandry. I have been using a cheep, heavy, stiff 7 wt rod for about 3 yrs now. I fish mosty bass and bluegill (no elephant gun comments please ;-p). I would like to buy a 5wt rod and I need to keep the price as close to my lucky $100 as possible. As I said, I am used to a heavy, stiff clunker of a rod, so weight is of little consideration. I suppose as I get older I will regret that opinion. I have heard good and bad about St. Croix. I also know that there are used rods out there for bargin prices. Any advice would be helpfull as I don’t want to blow this decision and end up with a $100 dud. P.S. if you are in the Columbus area and are trying to sell your wonderfull, whippy, high-end, casts like a dream, bought it for $300 and now I just don’t get out like I would like to, rod — I would be delighted to give it a new home. Email me. — | P. Erik Jaros | "I was a fine idea at the time. | | | Elvis Costello |

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Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Flies » Any good sources for mail-order tying materials?

Any good sources for mail-order tying materials?

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writes: Does anyone know of some reputable sources for materials for tying trout flies? If so, please e-mail address and/or phone numbers. Thanks!

You can get a current fly tying catalog and place orders through Orvis at 1-800-548-9548. Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools If you kill that big fish you can’t catch ‘em again. So what if they eat other fish? If you kill the big ones there will only be little ones left (funny how that works!).

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Does anyone know of some reputable sources for materials for tying trout flies? If so, please e-mail address and/or phone numbers. Thanks!

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Does anyone know of some reputable sources for materials for tying trout flies? If so, please e-mail address and/or phone numbers. Thanks!

Try "On The Fly" at 1-800-232-9359. Good selection, good prices. Craig

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Try Hunters in NH . 1-800-331-8558. The prices are not always the lowest but the quality of materials has always been unsurpassed. Without having to sort through the junk it might even be an equitable trade off. A.J.Thramer

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