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If you think that is weird, check out this; Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946. Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960. The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters. Both were particularly concerned with civil rights. Both wives lost their children while living in the White House. Both Presidents were shot on a Friday. Both were shot in the head. Lincoln’s secretary, Kennedy, warned him not to go to the theatre. Kennedy’s secretary, Lincoln, warned him not to go to Dallas. Both were assassinated by Southerners. Both were succeeded by Southerners. Both successors were named Johnson. Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908. John Wilkes Booth was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1939. Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names are comprised of fifteen letters Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse. Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater. Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials. Coincidence? Hardly… Your Bug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away. Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink.   Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly. Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream?

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Thanks, Wayne, Frank, Dave.   She’s out of danger now, just getting meds adjusted and the doctors popping in with contradictory opinions on when she can go home.  I think some want to keep her until they can track down the cause, rather than just letting her go when she seems okay.   It’s just wearing when everything to do with my kids or pets is always emergencies (okay, myself, too.).   When even the cats wait to get sick until the regular vet is closed, you know you’ve got a pattern going.  Although the dog never required a vet ER and my husband never even sees a regular doctor.  I have now seen the ERs of 5 different hospitals (not counting the ones I worked for in the long ago.) for actual emergencies.  Some of them more than once.   She sympathized with me about camping and fishing.  Said if she were in my spot, she’d want to go, too.  Heck, even though she hates camping and has never fished, she’d probably rather be doing that then trying to con the nurses in to taking her out for a cigarette. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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cyli writes: BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though.  

You and I would get along very well.  Hope your daughter is better. Dave

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You can’t imagine how much more I’d rather be camping and fishing than visiting a hospital.  Or listening to a getting well cranky adult around the house.  Okay, maybe you can.  20 randy old guys would be a breeze. BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless

My best to you and yours.  Hope all is better soonest. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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Mom and daughter both, HANG IN THERE!  Remember Nancy’s web site I sent you? Go there and drop her a note to let her know what’s going on with your daughter trial’s and tribulations.  I think you’ll find her a great person to "talk" to.  Her insights can be most enlightening. — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks, but my next week promises to be almost as nasty as last, except it seems my daughter _is_ likely to live.  But the only day off she’s giving me from visiting her in the hospital is tomorrow (today? Sunday, anyway.).   What are the odds an apparently healthy 30 year old woman would suddenly come down with clots all over her body? Doctors are going nuts (always a good sign, means they’re working hard at discovering the cause.).  They thought she’d be coming home on about Monday or Tuesday, but complications have ensued. You can’t imagine how much more I’d rather be camping and fishing than visiting a hospital.  Or listening to a getting well cranky adult around the house.  Okay, maybe you can.  20 randy old guys would be a breeze. BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Say, the guy who was supposed to go down to Cape Lookout with me this coming weekend has to fly to Europe instead.  Lots of False Albacore and camping on the beach.  If you can get to Richmond by Thursday evening and bring your basic camping stuff, I have an extra Albacore rig and room in the car.  Just think! 20 randy old guys out on a spit of sand in the Atlantic and ONE woman!! (do you cook?)   BTW, The invitation is for reel!

Thanks, but my next week promises to be almost as nasty as last, except it seems my daughter _is_ likely to live.  But the only day off she’s giving me from visiting her in the hospital is tomorrow (today? Sunday, anyway.).   What are the odds an apparently healthy 30 year old woman would suddenly come down with clots all over her body? Doctors are going nuts (always a good sign, means they’re working hard at discovering the cause.).  They thought she’d be coming home on about Monday or Tuesday, but complications have ensued. You can’t imagine how much more I’d rather be camping and fishing than visiting a hospital.  Or listening to a getting well cranky adult around the house.  Okay, maybe you can.  20 randy old guys would be a breeze.   BTW, I do cook; sometimes very oddly, though.   — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Say, the guy who was supposed to go down to Cape Lookout with me this coming weekend has to fly to Europe instead.  Lots of False Albacore and camping on the beach.  If you can get to Richmond by Thursday evening and bring your basic camping stuff, I have an extra Albacore rig and room in the car.  Just think! 20 randy old guys out on a spit of sand in the Atlantic and ONE woman!! (do you cook?)   BTW, The invitation is for reel! — Wayne To Fish is Human…To Release Divine!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who cares? You came on with all the same errors he did, so whether or not you’re him is immaterial to those of us who are or are studying to be assholes. Maybe you were twins separated at birth? …and I`m not leaving. Okay. Your Bug Not mine.  It can take years of good posts and good manners to make me mellow out.   For my first 5 years or so of electronic communications I was regarded as kindly and forgiving.  I got over it.  For the next 5 years or so, I only took out after the occasional user who reminded me of a horde of black flies.  I got over that, too.  Now I can take offense at mere gnats, if their timing is right and their promise is of growth. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Rest Your case! Without further checking of the accuracy of your facts, this obviously proves that the asassinations were planned and performed by the same "Firm", maybe they should be a bit more inventious in their planning… There is a lawyer in the house, what do You say?? Coincidence #2: John Kennedy (Toole) wrote of a confederacy of dunces, You wrote of a confederacy against John (F) Kennedy… Weird world this! Stefan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you think that is weird, check out this; Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946. Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960. The names Lincoln and Kennedy each contain seven letters. Both were particularly concerned with civil rights. Both wives lost their children while living in the White House. Both Presidents were shot on a Friday. Both were shot in the head. Lincoln’s secretary, Kennedy, warned him not to go to the theatre. Kennedy’s secretary, Lincoln, warned him not to go to Dallas. Both were assassinated by Southerners. Both were succeeded by Southerners. Both successors were named Johnson. Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908. John Wilkes Booth was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald was born in 1939. Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names are comprised of fifteen letters Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse. Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater. Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials. Coincidence? Hardly… Your Bug

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away. Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink. Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly. Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream?

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Who cares?   You came on with all the same errors he did, so whether or not you’re him is immaterial to those of us who are or are studying to be assholes. Maybe you were twins separated at birth?   …and I`m not leaving.

Okay. Your Bug

Not mine.  It can take years of good posts and good manners to make me mellow out.   For my first 5 years or so of electronic communications I was regarded as kindly and forgiving.  I got over it.  For the next 5 years or so, I only took out after the occasional user who reminded me of a horde of black flies.  I got over that, too.  Now I can take offense at mere gnats, if their timing is right and their promise is of growth. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless Hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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…and I`m not leaving.

Wow, are you pathetic.  You even went to the trouble of locating the incorrect apostrophe on your keyboard.  Really sad.

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Nicely done. Though, in truth, you needn’t have bothered, as with the possible exception of Citizen Luser himself, everyone here knew he and "nolio" were one and the same pathetic moron f*ckwit… /daytripper (On him from the jump.)

It’s kind of like a sore festering under a bandage.  You know it’s ugly, but you just have to lift the bandage to look anyway. — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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find other posts from this gentleman. He lives in Iowa. However, he did make a purchase on eBay… In fact, do a search on Michael Collier, and see how common that name is. Admittedly, the coincidence is stunning. Very sloppy investigative work, though. You did not complete your research. You would get torn apart on cross-examination. Anyway, good luck, Bug. We will see how long you can withstand the constant affronts to your common sense. This is one weird place. — Citizen Fisherman I promote Waterloo rods www.waterloorods.com

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Snookered again Collier, you whacko.

I’ve come across some pathetic losers on Usenet, but Collier takes the prize.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away. Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink.   Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly.

Nicely done. Though, in truth, you needn’t have bothered, as with the possible exception of Citizen Luser himself, everyone here knew he and "nolio" were one and the same pathetic moron f*ckwit… /daytripper (On him from the jump.)

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…and I`m not leaving. Your Bug

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…and I`m not leaving. Your Bug

Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away.

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…and I`m not leaving.

Your stuff is much more interesting than the cross posted environmental drivel.

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…and I`m not leaving. Your Bug Whatever.  Don’t get fixated on it and it will go away.

Snookered again Collier, you whacko. Simple google search "nolio collier" points me to this page: http://www.cdkitchen.com/rfr/data/915228089.shtml There, the following is posted Newsgroups: rec.food.recipes If you’ve ever been to the Italian pizza restaurant Bertucci’s and dared to try one of their more unusual pizzas, you may be familar with this pizza which contains no tomato sauce…. Bertucci’s Nolio Pizza 1 medium yellow onion 1 tsp white pepper 1 cup heavy cream 1/2 lemon 1 – 1 1/2 cup shredded prosciutto 1 1/2 cup shredded mozzarella cheese 1 package Pilsbury pizza dough (or home made). Olive oil. Preheat oven to 400 F. Boil heavy cream until thickened. Add white pepper and the juice from a half of a lemon.   Slice onion very thin so that you are left with rings. Saute onion rings in olive oil until they are starting to get brown. Assemble pizza as follows: Unroll pizza dough onto a non-stick pizza pan. Add cheese, then prosciutto. (I like to add some pepperoni slices too).  Add the cream mixture at a time to the pizza, a tablespoon at a time, forming little puddles spread around the pizza. Drain the onions and put them on last. They will continue to carmelize as the pizza bakes.   Bake 8-10 minutes. Don’t over bake. You don’t want to "dry out" the pizza. You are sick, Collier.  Your need to be accepted is pitiful.  Print out these threads of the last couple of weeks, and take them to your shrink.   Tell him/her that you seek acceptance on ROFF because your frat brothers never accepted you, and beg him for help. Save your pride, and don’t take this as a challenge to come up with an alias that an idiot like me couldn’t bust.  You are a pitiful excuse for a human being, and getting more so rapidly. Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream? — Scott Reverse first field of address to reply

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Also, what kind of idiot would poison a perfectly good pizza with heavy cream?

It’s pretty popular actually.  Not something you would want to eat all the time, but it can be pretty tasty!

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Dave Whitlock offers some of his artwork free for use for non profit organisations.. have a look at www.davewhitlock.com.

Thanks, I inherited a bunch of those from the previous editor.  Now at least I know hwere they came from and can credit the source. Mu

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Dave Whitlock offers some of his artwork free for use for non profit organisations.. have a look at www.davewhitlock.com. Clark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve taken over newsletter duties for our local fishing club and I’m looking for photos or artwork of flies, fish, anglers, equipment, etc, that I can use as filler graphics when I have some empty space at then end of an article.  If you’ve got any then let me know.  I’ll send you a copy of the newsletter if I use your image. The kind of things that would be interesting are: sunset behind the silhouette of an angler, the head of a trout as it is being released, mayfly sitting on your rod, saltwater fly stuck into a piece of flotsam, you get the idea.  Something general enough that it can basically be placed anywhere without being related to a particular piece of text. Don’t worry, it won’t be for commercial use. Mu

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Mu,   I can send you a few trout and some green drake photos. How small a file size do you want them to be. Only have digitalized stuff around, however, no film.                          Tom L

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I’ve taken over newsletter duties for our local fishing club and I’m looking for photos or artwork of flies, fish, anglers, equipment, etc, that I can use as filler graphics when I have some empty space at then end of an article.  If you’ve got any then let me know.  I’ll send you a copy of the newsletter if I use your image. The kind of things that would be interesting are: sunset behind the silhouette of an angler, the head of a trout as it is being released, mayfly sitting on your rod, saltwater fly stuck into a piece of flotsam, you get the idea.  Something general enough that it can basically be placed anywhere without being related to a particular piece of text. Don’t worry, it won’t be for commercial use. Mu

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We are trying to hold a racquetball tournament in Alaska’s bush so we can fly fish.  You want to play too? See below….. On July 22, 16 brave players will walk into the Alaskan Bush. On July 27, only one will leave as Champion. This is more than a tournament, this is an experience of a lifetime. Wildball – as wild as it gets, Alaska. The First Annual Wilderness Limited Racquetball Clinic & Tournament July 22 to 27, 2001 Bentalit Lodge, Alaska http://www.racqcat.com/wiltour.html Clinics Conducted by: Andy Roberts – Former World Champion All Participants Receive: Ektelon’s newest highest rated racquet Exclusive Team Ektelon Clothing and Gear Nordica Hiking Shoes Participant’s Plaque and much more! The New Champion will receive: All of the above Winner’s Leather Jacket with Insignia Handcrafted Native Alaskan Spirit Mask Other Prizes and Recognition For Pricing & More Information: 422-6400. http://www.racqcat.com/wiltour.html Sponsors: Ektelon, The Trent Group, RacquetballCatalog.com and Reiter Pro Sales, Inc. General Manager www.theracquetballcatalog.com Sales: 1-866-4Gear77

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We are trying to hold a racquetball tournament in Alaska’s bush so we can fly fish.  You want to play too?

If you pay expenses I’ll be there. Considering the location, I’ll waive my customary appearance fee. By the way, is this round robin or single elimination? I hope it’s single elimination because I’ll lose my first match so I can do you-know-what. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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at 4500 a week you may want to play double elimination to get your monies worth. fishworship

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Sure, Mike would definately have a good opinion. What he posts is interesting and would surely get people thinking. L. Reznam

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We do not know yet what impact the mud snail will have on the "trout of the Shining Mountains," the native cutthroat trout. What we do know is that they will have an impact, and that impact will be bad. No ecosystem can endure such a mass shift in biomass without serious impact. The Great Lakes provide examples. When the Welland Canal was constructed, it allowed access from the Atlantic Ocean, through the St. Lawrence River, to the Great Lakes for such newcomers as the sea lamprey and the alewife. The sea lampreys devastated the lakes’ native lake trout, and the alewife populations multiplied until their die-offs littered the shorelines. Federal control programs introduced the Pacific salmon and steel- head as apex predators to control the burgeoning alewife populations; other federal programs killed the lampreys in their river breeding grounds. The Great Lakes sportfishing bonanza ensued. Most young fisherman are totally unaware of these historic changes in our vast North American aquatic ecosystems. Many are aware that a new intruder-the zebra mussel-is now causing a massive biomass shift in the Great Lakes and Lake Champlain, but few under- stand the implications for sportfish and sportfishing. Unfortunately, it will be decades before the scientific research is complete and the ecological changes to the lake fisheries are fully explained. The Pandora’s box of ecosystem invasions has been opened by world travel and commerce. The list of its dev- astations is long, but the Rogues Gallery of fishing invaders should become familiar to all fishermen, for in many cases fishermen have been the travel brokers for these agents of change, for good or bad. Bait pail biologists have intentionally and unintentionally introduced baitfish species to normative takes across the U.S., and some highly publicized sport fishery devastations have followed. Walleye enthusiasts have intentionally (and secretly) introduced walleyes to lakes and rivers where they have never existed before. The results have been devastating to some native and nonnative fish species. Northern pike have been secretly introduced to normative waters with similar results. And even brook, brown, and rainbow trout have been introduced to normative waters across the U.S., Europe, New Zealand, Australia, and South America, changing native fisheries wherever they were introduced. Fly fishers applaud these "successes," but they seldom see the other side of this coin. The rapid decline of the Yellowstone and greenback cutthroat species followed these introductions of normative trout into the Rockies. When I read the Lehmberg/Wiltshire piece, I had a frightening thought. The snail is easily carried to new waters on our wading shoes or boats: What if the New Zealand mud snail arrived in the Yellowstone-area waters in the felts of a world-traveling fly fisher? Serious food for thought. The Federation of Fly Fishers (FFF) has taken the lead in attempting to educate us that "invasives pose a great threat to angling opportunities." They have formed special task groups to shed light on the threats to our fisheries and to help in focusing our fisheries conservation efforts. We can assist the FFF by joining the organization and by taking the preventive measures (such as dipping our waders in hot water after use) that they recommend. We must join in efforts to help prevent the spread of the mud snail beyond its current limited geographic distribution. The Coldwater fisheries of the entire nation may be vulnerable to this new menace. For information on how to join the FFF, go to its website www.fedflyfishers.org. This is a conservation organization that deserves our full support. Tiny New Zealand mud snails, which range in size from a grain of sand to 1/8 inch long, were first found in 1987 in Idaho’s Snake River. They have since spread rapidly through the Yellowstone ecosystem. In Montana they are in the upper Yellowstone River and in the Madison River below Hebgen Lake, below Quake Lake, and in Darlington Spring Creek on the Lower Madison. In Idaho, they are in the Henry’s Fork, most of the waters in central Idaho that flow into the Snake River, and the Snake through Hell’s Canyon and downstream to the Columbia. They are also in Lake Ontario. Researchers are finding the snails in many areas. One reason that we don’t have more reports is that few researchers are currently looking for them. Although there are native snails in most of our waters, tiny New Zealand mud snails, which prefer the margins of slow water, are a problem because they can reach concentrations of up to 300,000 per square yard. At this level, they can have a serious impact and displace native species. Since the snails eat the same detritus that midges and other insects eat, a large concentration of New Zealand mud snails can result in fewer midges, mayflies, caddisflies, and possibly stoneflies. The mud snail is just the latest in a growing list of invasive species that threaten our native species, including trout. Consider the pyramid of numbers in a the food chain. At the bottom, the pyramid is broad. This is where we find the basis of M in a stream: the producers, the green algae that combine carbon dioxide and water to make plant tissue. The next step up the pyramid represents all of the creatures that eat those producers. They are called the primary consumers. Moving up the pyramid, we find the secondary consumers, and at the top are the predators. In a trout stream, many of the insect forms live their lives in the water as primary or secondary consumers. Small fish might be the secondary consumers. Large trout are the predators at the top of the pyramid. Notice that the pyramid narrows quickly at the top. This means it takes many pounds of algae to feed fewer pounds of insects to support one pound of trout. Now consider a stream in which New Zealand mud snails have gained supremacy as a primary consumer.The little snails are ravenous for algae, and they rasp it up from every surface on which it grows. This means the algae is not there for the insects, so eventually there are fewer insects avail- able for the trout and fewer pounds of trout produced per mile of stream. Although trout eat a lot of native snails, they don’t eat New Zealand mud snails. For some reason, our trout don’t digest the tiny mud snails as readily as they do our bigger native aquatic snails. Preliminary research indicates that mud snails can pass through a trout’s digestive system not only undigested, but also alive. Mud snails have a strong operculum, a sort of door across the opening of their shell that they can close when stressed or attacked. This operculum may keep out the trout’s digestive juices. When the snails enter a harsh environment, they retreat into their shell and batten down the hatches" In laboratory experiments, biologists have exposed the snails to 3,000 milligrams/liter of chlorine (which is equivalent to about one cup of bleach in one gallon of water) for 30,60, and 90 seconds, and some of the snails survived. Similar results occurred when the snails were exposed to copper sulfate. No one knows for sure how the snails are spread. If birds or other wildlife are vectors, little can be done to halt the spread. The snails live out of water for at least 25 days as long as they stay damp. This means that they can be spread in many ways. If they remain dry for a few days, they will die. Anglers moving from one fishing spot to another spread the snails by carrying them from stream to stream on damp waders or in felt wading boots. As soon as the snail reaches a new stream of the correct temperature, it starts reproducing because the snails can be parthenogenetic, meaning they don’t need to mate before giving birth. A single snail is all it takes to establish a population. Controlling the Spread TAKE PRECAUTIONS to avoid transferring snails and other pests by cleaning your boat, trailer, and waders before you travel to another stream or take. This limits (but will not prevent) the spread of many introduced species, such as hydrilla, whirling disease carriers, and the mud snail. A simple hot-water bath will kill any snails trying to catch a ride on your boots or waders. Researchers say that 113-degree (F.) water kills them if they are exposed for 60 seconds. In 120- degree water, it only takes 30 seconds to kill them. Water from many hot-water heaters can reach these temperatures, so boiling your boots is not necessary if you use really hot tap water to clean your gear. You can also dry your gear for several days before using it again. Damp gear can keep snails alive for weeks. ‘Young snails in particular are so small they are almost invisible," says Dr. Billie Kerans of the Montana State University biology department. "If you fish waters that hold the snail, you must assume some are attached to you" She adds that researchers use several pairs of waders, alternating them in different waters, and suggests that anglers consider the same precaution. Dr. Kerans is leading a research effort looking at the snail’s impact on the ecosystem. This is a difficult study to undertake and it will be several years before we have any definitive data. However, according to Dr. Kerans, there is little doubt that there will be impacts. For example, in Grand Teton National Park, a population of large native snails in Pole Cat Creek is threatened by mud snails that now outnumber the natives 2,000 to 1. One of the most interesting mud snail sites is Darlington Spring Creek in Montana. This creek runs next to the lower Madison at the CobblestoneFishing Access, and anglers who want to fish the river must cross the creek to get there. The Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife & Parks has closed the access site to the public to prevent spread of the snail. The department is doing an environmental assessments to examine possible solutions to the mud snail invasion. One solution is to build a bridge across the creek and make the creek off … read more »

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One of the most valuable "how to" books on fly fishing I have had the pleasure of reading is "The Cast" by Ed Jaworski. He has recently published a new book, "Troubleshooting the Cast", a paper back book which addresses 32 common casting problems. The book is well written, and the diagrams are easy to follow and uncluttered. I got my copy in the mail this last week and have been using some of his techniques to work out some kinks on a pond here in Kansas, especially I problem I have casting weighted flies. I highly recomend those of you who might have a little casting kink check it out. Your friendly gear whore and singlemaltmeister. Wayne

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How much was it and where can I get it on-line? — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One of the most valuable "how to" books on fly fishing I have had the pleasure of reading is "The Cast" by Ed Jaworski. He has recently published a new book, "Troubleshooting the Cast", a paper back book which addresses 32 common casting problems. The book is well written, and the diagrams are easy to follow and uncluttered. I got my copy in the mail this last week and have been using some of his techniques to work out some kinks on a pond here in Kansas, especially I problem I have casting weighted flies. I highly recomend those of you who might have a little casting kink check it out. Your friendly gear whore and singlemaltmeister. Wayne

Before you buy.

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The back cover lists the price $12.95 and I bought mine at amazon.com Wayne

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How much was it and where can I get it on-line? — Vern My ROFF page: http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/ResortRd/v_deloy/ROFFintro.html One of the most valuable "how to" books on fly fishing I have had the pleasure of reading is "The Cast" by Ed Jaworski. He has recently published a new book, "Troubleshooting the Cast", a paper back book which addresses 32 common casting problems. The book is well written, and the diagrams are easy to follow and uncluttered. I got my copy in the mail this last week and have been using some of his techniques to work out some kinks on a pond here in Kansas, especially I problem I have casting weighted flies. I highly recomend those of you who might have a little casting kink check it out. Your friendly gear whore and singlemaltmeister. Wayne Before you buy.

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The back cover lists the price $12.95 and I bought mine at amazon.com

I just ordered one from there. My wife hates ‘one click’ ordering<g. — Charlie…

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One of the most valuable "how to" books on fly fishing I have had the pleasure of reading is "The Cast" by Ed Jaworski.

Hey Walt, is this available at EZFlyfish? Joe F.

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One of the most valuable "how to" books on fly fishing I have had the pleasure of reading is "The Cast" by Ed Jaworski. Hey Walt, is this available at EZFlyfish? Joe F.

Hi Joe, It will be indirectly available later today if my damn isp will properly function. I’ve started a "collection" of recommended books available through brbg/ez in association with amazon. Here’s the link to main page: http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg-3.html Here’s the link to where this title will be located (if I can make a successful upload): http://users.boone.net/wgw/brbg-gen-ff.html Walt

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Looking for info on fly fishing around Lava Hot Springs, Idaho. I will be there in August of ‘99 for a week and would like to fly fish the area with out a 2 hour drive. Could use any and all help. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. JWTrout

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Looking for info on fly fishing around Lava Hot Springs, Idaho. I will be there in August of ‘99 for a week and would like to fly fish the area with out a 2 hour drive. Could use any and all help. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. JWTrout

John: I don’t have my information here in front of me, but one place you might want to try is the Blackfoot River above Blackfoot Reservoir.  If you do a little checking, you’ll find that the Nature Conservancy and the State of Idaho have purchased a large piece of land surrounding the river and are in the process of restoring the cutthroat fishery there.  Based on pictures I’ve seen, it looks like classic meadow fishing and supposedly there is starting to be some very good fishing. There is also a rod-fee fishery on the Blackfoot Indian Reservation in the something-or-other Springs close to the Snake River near the town of Blackfoot. There is an Idaho Flyfishing book that I’ll look up when I get home.  It has quite a few suggestions for SE Idaho fishing. Bob

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Looking for info on fly fishing around Lava Hot Springs, Idaho. I will be there in August of ‘99 for a week and would like to fly fish the area with out a 2 hour drive. Could use any and all help. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Check out this website         www.2.state.id.us/fishgame/askfish.htm It might help you out Big Al

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Looking for info on fly fishing around Lava Hot Springs, Idaho.

No fishing there. Nope. None.  Don’t bother to bring waders. For some reason Idaho Fish and Game close the river in town to fishing.  Afraid people would hook a swimmer or something. As for fishing ousid of Lava Hotsprings.  Just drive around until you find a stream.   An Idaho Topo Atlas by Delorme is worth the $15 investment even if you are only going to use it that week. Carl

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bring your float tube and try out Daniels, Twenty-Four Mile, and Chesterfield Reservoirs.

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  I am headed north of Anchorage next week toward Talkeetna.  Can anyone recommend a tackle shop for supplies and info for me along this route? Thanks. Elbert Bivins

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McAfee’s Fly Shop, Anchorage Mountain View Sports, Anchorage Valley Rod Shop, Wasilla Beyond that you can get some odds and ends stuff at most of the hardware, groceriy, and outdoor shops. In Talkeetna, Steve Mahay at Mahay’s Riverboat Service supports the fly fishing crowd and usually has some supplies. Always a good spot for info. You should also check out the Alaska Flyfishers web site at www.akflyfishers.org They have a flyfishing forum section where you can post questions and get answers to probably most of your questions. Lance Hankins I have nothing against Golf. I suspect it keeps legions of the Unworthy from discovering fly fishing… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I am headed north of Anchorage next week toward Talkeetna.  Can anyone recommend a tackle shop for supplies and info for me along this route? Thanks. Elbert Bivins

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: Mmmm, and the delectable Ellie Mae. I doubted that Ellie Mae ever needed to troll for flies.  (But I wasn’t going to say it.) — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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[deleted] Vlad the Impaler

Particularly good name for that Nymph Series I am developing. I owe you yet again. TimW Designer of the "Vlad The Impaler" nymph series

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[deleted] Vlad the Impaler Particularly good name for that Nymph Series I am developing.    is there truth to the rumor that orvis is considering a "vlad the impaler"  designer jeep?  in blood red, with black leather seat

covers, of course.  oh well, today the roaring fork, tomorrow the amazon.         a. wayne harrison

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Particularly good name for that Nymph Series I am developing. is there truth to the rumor that orvis is considering a "vlad the impaler"   designer jeep?  in blood red, with black leather seat

It’s still in the design phase. However, Tiemco has announced its new "Vlad" series hooks.   The TMC-VLAD103’s make *EXCELLENT* hopper patterns. TimW

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Particularly good name for that Nymph Series I am developing. is there truth to the rumor that orvis is considering a "vlad the impaler"   designer jeep?  in blood red, with black leather seat It’s still in the design phase. However, Tiemco has announced its new "Vlad" series hooks.   The TMC-VLAD103’s make *EXCELLENT* hopper patterns. TimW

Yes, true. I also heard the "Vlad" series has been extended into sizes up to number 100 and can be mounted on a pole for spearing carp. Jon

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Yes, true. I also heard the "Vlad" series has been extended into sizes up to number 100 and can be mounted on a pole for spearing carp. Jon

You must mean 100/0

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writes: : I hope that you aren’t offended by this post. I felt I : just had to let everyone know how they could make 50,000 : flies a year !  It is all very legal, so don’t worry.  

I have had mixed results with this shceme. I mailed out my flies,but they where all returned within a week. However, I did recieve several nice used beginners flyting manuals and the web address for R.O.F.F.Tying.      Jim  

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Now I’ve got only one question here. I lose the occasional fly or two (maybe a bit more then that), but it would seem to me that anyone losing enough to have to make 50,000 a year should probably take up another sport. Possably golf played with basketballs. Lolo Mt.

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(here is my flyfishing chain letter submission) Howdy! Last year I received a chain letter from St. Jude.  It promised me that good luck would arrive via the mail if I made and distributed twenty copies to people who I thought needed good luck.   The letter did not specifically threaten that anything terrible would happen if I didn’t comply.  So, although I felt a little superstitious, I didn’t do anything about it.  I couldn’t think of twenty people who needed good luck.  I didn’t want to bother any of my friends with a chain letter. I felt I would be doing them a favor not to. I think I already have pretty good luck. As a fisherman I’m always mindful of luck and usually do pretty well, even when other people are using the same fly and method and not catching Shiite. Two weeks later I received a surprise check for over three thousand dollars.  I had forgotten about it, but my grandfather had died years before and I inherited a small share of the estate.  Since he had been retired for over twenty-five years and had twenty grandchildren, I didn’t expect more than a few hundred dollars.  I spent most of it on quality tackle. Three weeks later I caught my biggest trout ever.  It was my only bite on a day at a lake where everyone was complaining about how poor the fishing was.  As the season progressed, I continued with exceptional luck and caught four even bigger fish. You do not have to do anything with this letter.  Don’t make twenty copies.  Don’t give it to your friends or pass it along.  Don’t worry about "breaking the chain".  Just take a nice deep breath, and imagine yourself out in a beautiful lake or stream, on a nice sunny day, enjoying everything that you see, feel, hear, and smell.  Life is great, and full of endless possibilities.  Remember that positive visualization is the key to good luck.  If you believe that it can happen, it can.  Fish as often as you can and keep your fly on the water. Have a great day, Mark Vinsel http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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: I hope that you aren’t offended by this post. I felt I : just had to let everyone know how they could make 50,000 : flies a year !  It is all very legal, so don’t worry.   : I saw this posted a while back and I thought "hah, this : is such a big joke !" Well, it is not a big joke.  In my : first week, I had a wooly bugger, 2 hares ears and a : Grizzly King ! Was I ever impressed !!!  It is very : simple ! Simply add your name to the bottom of this : list and mail a fly to everyone else on the list, when : you have your name at the top of the list, you will : have received 50,000 flies.  Please no glow bugs ! : TBone Walker : TimW : Timmy ("trouser Trout") Walker : T. S. Walker : TBone Powlesland Jed Clampit Jethro Bodean Clampit Granny Clampit Jane the bankers secretary — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/

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Jed Clampit Jethro Bodean Clampit Granny Clampit Jane the bankers secretary — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ —

Hey dammit, Granny was a Moses (Daisy, to be specific), not a Clampett. John Nesselrode Shawnee, KS

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I hope that you aren’t offended by this post. I felt I just had to let everyone know how they could make 50,000 flies a year !  It is all very legal, so don’t worry.   I saw this posted a while back and I thought "hah, this is such a big joke !" Well, it is not a big joke.  In my first week, I had a wooly bugger, 2 hares ears and a Grizzly King ! Was I ever impressed !!!  It is very simple ! Simply add your name to the bottom of this list and mail a fly to everyone else on the list, when you have your name at the top of the list, you will have received 50,000 flies.  Please no glow bugs ! TBone Walker TimW Timmy ("trouser Trout") Walker T. S. Walker TBone Powlesland

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: I hope that you aren’t offended by this post. I felt I : just had to let everyone know how they could make 50,000 : flies a year !  It is all very legal, so don’t worry.   : I saw this posted a while back and I thought "hah, this : is such a big joke !" Well, it is not a big joke.  In my : first week, I had a wooly bugger, 2 hares ears and a : Grizzly King ! Was I ever impressed !!!  It is very : simple ! Simply add your name to the bottom of this : list and mail a fly to everyone else on the list, when : you have your name at the top of the list, you will : have received 50,000 flies.  Please no glow bugs !

This really does work.  I did as told and after 6 weeks had to add an addition on the house to house all the flies.  (How do I get people to send me fly boxes? I prefer wheatleys please.) JC Johann John F. Close The Mad Mathematician

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Mmmm, and the delectable Ellie Mae. …jm

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I’ve often seen the advice posted to ask a local fly shop about what flies are currently on a stream where I intend to fish and what a good stretch of water is.  If the fly shop is not near my home and therefore I don’t usually take my business there, what is the fair way to compensate them for their advice?  Should I buy a fly or two?  Some fur or feathers?

Sure that’d be good.  But lets say your headed there maybe next month.  In the mean time, give them a call and get their address.  Send them $20 or so, and ask them to gather up a few flies that should be working when you arrive and mail them to you.  Also ask them for a tip on locations, etc. Typically, you’ll get good stuff, probably more than what you actually paid for (lets say the $ covers 10 flies, most times you’ll get a dz anyway), plus you’ll have models for your own tying bench. When you get there, stop in.  You will be warmly greeted by the guy or gal who filled your order, and they’ll remember you as a friend.  Trust me on this- it always has been effective! — Mike Tucker- The Virtual Flyshop, The Complete Resource              Web Page:  http://rmii.com/~flyshop/flyshop.html              Tel. 970-498-8779   FAX 970-491-2585 If you try 970 and it doesn’t work use 303.  Leave it to US WEST to change our area code and not tell the rest of the world……

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I’ve often seen the advice posted to ask a local fly shop about what flies are currently on a stream where I intend to fish and what a good stretch of water is.  If the fly shop is not near my home and therefore I don’t usually take my business there, what is the fair way to compensate them for their advice?  Should I buy a fly or two?  Some fur or feathers?  (I tie my own flies.)  Or do they really not mind some guy coming in, asking about flies and good spots, then walking out? Thanks for the advice/opinions, Dave

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Braunegg) writes: I’ve often seen the advice posted to ask a local fly shop about what flies are currently on a stream where I intend to fish and what a good stretch of water is.  If the fly shop is not near my home and therefore I don’t usually take my business there, what is the fair way to compensate them for their advice?  Should I buy a fly or two?  Some fur or feathers?  (I tie my own flies.)  Or do they really not mind some guy coming in, asking about flies and good spots, then walking out? Thanks for the advice/opinions, Dave

Buy only what you need and try to give them some feedback on your experience so your not the only one getting something out of this. They aren’t running a community service, they are in business! Sharing good locations and tips keeps *customers* comming back so it makes good business sense, but, after a while, they may find that they take a bit longer to get to you…

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I’ve often seen the advice posted to ask a local fly shop about what flies are currently on a stream where I intend to fish and what a good stretch of water is.  If the fly shop is not near my home and therefore I don’t usually take my business there, what is the fair way to compensate them for their advice?  Should I buy a fly or two?  Some fur or feathers?  (I tie my own flies.)  Or do they really not mind some guy coming in, asking about flies and good spots, then walking out?

This is really a nice question to see.  Without deteriorating into a rant, if you go into a fly shop and someone won’t give you the time of day until you flash your AMEX, leave and go elsewhere.  There are too many people who run shops who simply don’t deal with anyone but their perceived "good customers."  Let ‘em starve.  In our shop, everyone I’ve hired remains employed primarily on a customer service basis.  The sales people are not commissioned.  In my mind and the vision of our store, we treat a purchase of a tippet and the purchase of an outfit are equally important.  If I catch someone short-answering any customer, I point out proper behavior. (and most of those guys got jobs with other fly shops . . . strange how that works.) Of course, store-folk are human.  We deal with the 20 questions about this knot, that fly, or those fisheries, many asked in the most unbelievably rude and offensive manner, and every once in a while, our heads start to whirl a bit.   So, as  a previous poster noted, it is nice to call back and return information.  Luckily, this business is still one in which relationships can develop between customers and shop owners.  As a customer, if you feel someone treated you well, return the favor.  If they were unhelpful and rude spend your money elsewhere.   Many times my eventual "best customers" came from a 15 minute phone conversation in which I didn’t make any money at all. Well, got to go open the shop — hope this helps –jim *                                                     *

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If I catch someone short-answering any customer, I point out proper behavior. (and most of those guys got jobs with other fly shops . . . strange how that works.) Luckily, this business is still one in which relationships can develop between customers and shop owners.  As a customer, if you feel someone treated you well, return the favor.  If they were unhelpful and rude spend your money elsewhere.  

Good to see this response from a fly shop owner. Where I live we have three fly shops.  I frequent two of them, and these tow are as happy to see a customer when he’s buying a sppol of tippet (or nothing at all) as when he’s buying a new rod.  The other shop just doesn’t have a friendly atmosphere.  I think the main thing that makes anyone a repeat customer in a fly shop is that they are comfortable there, even if they don’t spend their money.   As consumers, it’s only fair that we support the shops we like.  Don’t go cast a rod at your local shop, and the buy it through mail order because you can save a few bucks.  It’s low class, and it may result in the fly shop not being there the next time you really need something.  Want to wait three weeks for mail order when you need something for the weekend. Just my $0.02

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: I’ve often seen the advice posted to ask a local fly shop about what : flies are currently on a stream where I intend to fish and what a good : stretch of water is.  If the fly shop is not near my home and : therefore I don’t usually take my business there, what is the fair way : to compensate them for their advice?  Should I buy a fly or two?  Some : fur or feathers?  (I tie my own flies.)  Or do they really not mind : some guy coming in, asking about flies and good spots, then walking : out? : Thanks for the advice/opinions, : Dave         The easiest thing to do is to buy some of the flies that they recommend whether you tie or not there has to be something that you don’t have.         Rick

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Braunegg) writes: I’ve often seen the advice posted to ask a local fly shop about what flies are currently on a stream where I intend to fish and what a good stretch of water is.  If the fly shop is not near my home and therefore I don’t usually take my business there, what is the fair way to compensate them for their advice?  Should I buy a fly or two?  Some fur or feathers?  (I tie my own flies.)  Or do they really not mind some guy coming in, asking about flies and good spots, then walking out? Thanks for the advice/opinions, Dave Buy only what you need and try to give them some feedback on your experience so your not the only one getting something out of this. They aren’t running a community service, they are in business! Sharing good locations and tips keeps *customers* comming back so it makes good business sense, but, after a while, they may find that they take a bit longer to get to you…

Hi, I hate quoting quotes, but to follow this up… We welcome people just dropping in and chatting about NS and where to flyfish. I even went so far as to put in a map and a bl;ackboard and some markers for the map, and we made a "community fishing bulletin board- the old style not electronic!). Why I don’t mind, even if you don’t buy then, is that someday you will weant to buy, and hopefully you’ll remember us – In the meantime…. Tight Lines Bill Curry Tight Lines Tackle Shop and Guide Service Lockeport, Nova Scotia Canada   B0T 1L0 902-656-3329 (ph and fax)

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There is an article in the Long Island Edition of The Fisherman Magazine which, as I understand it, is distributed for several other areas as well on the east coast. I found some interesting tips in the article so I thought I’d pass it along…. HighHooks-n-TightLines,      Jose

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We have a farm pond that’s over-run with gills, I keep a cane pole with a #14 wooly-worm at ready to reduce the numbers, Over the past two years we’ve really improved the fishing there alot.  We ocasionally get one that’s big enough to eat, but they get thrown back. Bob

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I know during the early spring season bluegills get very little respect.   But I love to catch those little ^%&^%&^*&*!  I admit I           lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions?

Yee!  I use small spider fly, which I will let go with the edge of the current, you will see the splash!  By the way, red is my favorite color in Summer, and spider is easy to tie by yourself don’t waste money! Bill

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lines: 12 I too love to flyfish for bluegill.  I lived in the great basin area of the west for 25 years, and only thought that trout were worth flyfishing for. Then I moved to Indiana, bass and bluegill heaven.  I use a 2weight rod and poppers that I make out of foam, cork, or balsa.  The average bluegill in this area  is about 6 inches, but I have caught several bluegill out of a particular lake that have been 12 inches long.  I don’t dream about owning a house on a stream in the west anymore, I dream about owning a small lake that has big bass and bluegill in it. "I am haunted by waters." -Norman Maclean-

Chris, what is the length of the rod? I use to use a 9ft 2wt, but now I use a 10ft 3wt. From the Float Tube of Elmer G. Meiler Somewhere on the Pond of OZ

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I like a black wooly buggerish fly tied out of just black marabou on a #10 3906b (or a reasonable facsimile).  Just tie it in at the bend, wrap the marabou to the eye, tie it off and viola!  A simple bluegill killer.  A small deer hair frog will also take bluegills and bass.  When all else fails, a peacock body with a hungarian partridge hen hackle in front fished wet is also a killer.

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Any black midge or small callabaetis works well.

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   I have literally NEVER cast one of those without catching a bluegill!

Try this on for size for bluegill madness! Same as above for the fly, but try using a three weight rod. A teeny bluegill suddenly feels like a 5 pound monster! Bluegill ho! edwin

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When they are down deeper try a Bully bluegill spider byTerry Wilson, great fly. The bass pond has them or all Terry at 417-777-2467

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I’ve found that the small to middling bluegills are the ones you’ll find hitting anything up top. The really big ones become more solitary and hang out at the lower levels. For these, the best flies by far are nymphs in the 8-12 size range. You’ll probably want to custom-tie some weighted ones with weed guards to get down there quickly, but it’s worth the effort to feel a big dinner-plate sized bluegill turning sideways and pulling with all its might. BTW, the April issue of 8-Wt Journal is, coincidentally, on bluegills. JL 8-Wt Editor

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I know during the early spring season bluegills get very little respect.   But I love to catch those little ^%&^%&^*&*!  I admit I love to fish for trout, but pound for pound bluegills are one of the most aggressive fresh water fish out!   Is there anyone who know of any big bluegill hot spots in Mississippi! I hear they get up to 1.5 – 3 pounds down there! Greg

There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? -jmc

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My Friends, I really appreciate everyones respond to my message! It seems like bulegill get a little respect after all! I thought I was one of few who enjoyed catching them! I read everyones message, but I did not hear about any hot fishing spots. I already have a box full of flies ready for this weekend! If there are any lakes or ponds that you suggest let know. Thanks Greg Classic Fly Fisherman Company P.O. Box 4521 Greenville, De 19807-4521 Phone: (302) 764-3236 Fax: (302) 764-5974

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I’ve had great luck catching bluegills using a two fly rig with an Irristible dry fly as a strike indicator and a Silver Hilton as the trailer.  The silver hilton is a steelhead pattern which I tie on a size 12 79580 Mustad sized right for the small mouths of our bluegills. Why this miniature Silver Hilton pattern drives the bluegills nuts is a mystery to me, maybe the action of the split wing, maybe the size and color imitates some common bug?   In some years, we get heavy infestations of a dusty gray moth we here call ‘millers’ (moth of the ordinary cutworm). In those years, a Hornberg is deadly on bluegills during miller season.

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There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? -jmc

Two Words: Sneaky Pete.  Available many places (even Orvis!).  Bluegills can’t say no to this guy…. Phil Calvin                                       ‘91 Hawkgt, DoD#242

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: There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be : lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at : them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? For BIG bluegill, try a popper bug .. it will always float (if its wood), and don’t be suprised if a largemouth bass hit it too, or a pickerel for that matter. — pete

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Greg, Yep.  All of the above.  dries, nymps, streamers, wet’s they’ll all catch ‘gills. in early spring – pre-spawn, a small nymph works great, as do woolly worms and smaller woolly buggers.(wooly’s are great all season) During the spawn — wooly’s or just about anything slowly swimming through the spawninb beds.  Humpy’s for dries or small poppers, are a blast when the water is smooth as glass! Jim Elias Blue Grass IA H.Y.M.R.

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There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? -jmc

The feature that most great bluegill flies have in common is white rubber legs.  Look for the very fine strands; sometimes it is hard to find in fly shops. My favorite fly is a girdle bug:  black chenille body on a long shank nymph hook (size 10 or 12, depending on the fish), white rubber legs and a couple of strands for a tail.  Weight with lead wire, a bead head, or just a split shot on the leader if the water is more than a couple feet deep. Frank Stetzer                        "…a cheerful comrade is better Information and Media Technologies    than a waterproof coat and a Univ Wisconsin-Milwaukee, USA         foot-warmer."  Henry Van Dyke,

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: There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be : lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at : them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions?

I have been fly fishing for bluegills for many years now and have settled on two flys: For a dry fly I use the renegade which has hackle front and back to keep it afloat. If they’re not taking the dry,I use a Montana nymph which seems to work on just about any fish. The trick is to find a lake with big bluegills and not like most lakes with lots of but mostly stunted fish!!!!! Anyway, good luck and have fun !!

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I too love to flyfish for bluegill.  I lived in the great basin area of the west for 25 years, and only thought that trout were worth flyfishing for. Then I moved to Indiana, bass and bluegill heaven.  I use a 2weight rod and poppers that I make out of foam, cork, or balsa.  The average bluegill in this area  is about 6 inches, but I have caught several bluegill out of a particular lake that have been 12 inches long.  I don’t dream about owning a house on a stream in the west anymore, I dream about owning a small lake that has big bass and bluegill in it. "I am haunted by waters." -Norman Maclean-

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I know during the early spring season bluegills get very little respect.   But I love to catch those little ^%&^%&^*&*!  I admit I           lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions?

I’ve been using small #10 yellow popping bugs, the kind that are shaped like a small cigar and have four ruber feet and a small feather tail. the bluegills and crappie have been tearing them up, and i’ve had the ocaisional small large mouth hit them too, but big brim really love’m,. Bill C.

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I own a one acre pond that is full of large bluegills. The oldest are 5 years old and there are plenty of them. Since the second year I have fished the pond almost entirely with a fly rod. Since I release nearly all of them, they have become very educated to my patterns. At one time a wooly bugger could take about everything including the channel cats. Now I have to change patterns all the time. As soon as I find an effective fly, it takes about a week, they just stop biting on it. Then its a trial and error search until I find the right combination. Any suggestions?  I have had great luck with chrinomidge patterns, nymphs, wooly buggers ( olive and black), and limited luck with dry fly patterns. These are smart fish!

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I was just browsing through Wulff on Flyfishing.  He recommends the backwards-tied fly for these smart, educated fish.  Its just the same as a normal pattern, except the hackle & head are at the hook bend.  Lee Wulff opines that its the bend in the hook that is the giveaway to the educated fish and that when the hackle is tied over the bend and hides it, you are one up on the fish.  Also, he suggests that, especially with dry flies, the flotation is better since the hackle floats the heavier portion of the fly (the bend) better. I haven’t tried these "backwards flies" but it might work. Regards, Al Soroka

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I know during the early spring season bluegills get very little respect.   But I love to catch those little ^%&^%&^*&*!  I admit I love to fish for trout, but pound for pound bluegills are one of the most aggressive fresh water fish out!   Is there anyone who know of any big bluegill hot spots in Mississippi! I hear they get up to 1.5 – 3 pounds down there! Greg

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There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? -jmc

Just about anything that moves will catch bluegills.  Dry ones are fun just twitch them a bit enough to make a ripple.  Watch the bugs on the water.  The flit about just making ripples, then **WHAM** bluegill will hit it and take it under.  They go for anything that moves though.

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   In my experience, the ONE guaranteed-to-catch-em bluegill fly is one of those tiny little cork/balsa flat-faced poppers, in either yellow or pearl, with rubber legs and a tuft of feather out the back. (I’m talking about the kind that are almost a dime a dozen in bubble packaging at K-Mart!)    I have literally NEVER cast one of those without catching a bluegill!    BTW, I too love to fish for bluegill.  Many days, after fishing with bigger flys for smallmouth, I’ll end the day by tying on one of those little poppers and catching some bluegill.  I find the tiny poppers are a joy to cast with an 8-weight rod as they are virtually weightless on a big tippet, allowing you to really "slice-n-dice" on casts, delicately placing the popper under branches, overhangs, etc.    Ditto on bluegill being great fighters…they’re like the ants of the fish world…super-strong for their size! —         Scott Wilkinson         Montgomery County, Maryland

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know during the early spring season bluegills get very little respect.   But I love to catch those little ^%&^%&^*&*!  I admit I love to fish for trout, but pound for pound bluegills are one of the most aggressive fresh water fish out!   Is there anyone who know of any big bluegill hot spots in Mississippi! I hear they get up to 1.5 – 3 pounds down there! Greg There are many man made lakes brimming with bluegills that would be lots of fun on the fly, but I don’t know what patterns to throw at them. Dry flys, streamers, nymphs….Any suggestions? -jmc

There are a LOT of flies that will work for bluegill and other panfish, but the two best, bar none, are the rubber spider, and the Sneaky Pete popper. The spiders, in sizes 8 to 16, are _absolutely_ the most deadly fly around. The best day I ever had fishing was one in which I caught 200 bluegill in _2_hours_, all on a black rubber spider. It was taking me longer to unhook the fish than it was to catch them! <<grin However, if you want ONLY pan-size panfish, use the Sneaky Pete, size 10 or larger, in chartreuse. Small fish will hit at it, but won’t be able to grab it. Only the larger fish will take it down… and then you’ve got ‘em! Nymphs, dries, and poppers of all types, as well as small streamers, will all work for bluegill… but these two flies are the top producers. — Joe Ellis         o/~ The Synthetic Filker o/~ |    TesserAct Studios

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