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Tony Knox said in another thread: "Many experienced fishers, who have in their time tried hundreds of different patterns, will carry only half a dozen at any one time." Sounds like a great thread starter…so, what are you carrying in <your fly box these days (if its not unethical to ask…)? riverman

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Tony Knox said in another thread: "Many experienced fishers, who have in their time tried hundreds of different patterns, will carry only half a dozen at any one time." Sounds like a great thread starter…so, what are you carrying in <your fly box these days (if its not unethical to ask…)?

  Clousers, Deceivers, Charlies and some ‘naturals’ based on kicked up   wingsi/bodys. (like the flies at www.successflies.com)   The other box has a few poppers, and a couple of "Standing Yabbies".   http://www.fishnet.com.au/flyswap/flybox/standingyabby.html   That would be 6 styles of fly …   Steve   (Not going to the rever for at least a fortnight

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Tony Knox said in another thread: "Many experienced fishers, who have in their time tried hundreds of different patterns, will carry only half a dozen at any one time." Sounds like a great thread starter…so, what are you carrying in <your fly box these days (if its not unethical to ask…)?

It depends on where I’m fishing.  On my home water, I often just carry a small box on a lanyard with maybe fifty flies in it. On new rivers and especially in new areas I generally wear a loaded vest with LOTS of different flies. Overall, I don’t think you need alot of different patterns, but different sizes and types of flies are important. Willi

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It depends on where I’m fishing.  On my home water, I often just carry a small box on a lanyard with maybe fifty flies in it. On new rivers and especially in new areas I generally wear a loaded vest with LOTS of different flies.

I agree with that. I spend the day fishing on a familiar stream Thursday with a box full of flies–but only ended up using four different patterns and lost no flies. –Steve

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1. Parachute Adams 2. Parachute Hopper 3. Stimulator 4. Pheasant tail 5. Pheasant tail 6. Pheasant tail For the San Juan: 1. Red Larva 24 2. Disco 22 3. KF Emerger 24 4. RS2 22 grey 5. Orange Worm 6. RS2 24 brown

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……what are you carrying in <your fly box these days (if its not unethical to ask…)?

As a one time small scale commercial tier, I not only tied every pattern I could get a picture or recipe for, I also experimented a great deal. I’ve got a vest with a lot of pockets.  It’s always seemed silly to me to carry around a bunch of empty pockets.  Thus, I usually carry anywhere from 5 or 6 to upwards of ten fly boxes crammed full of a huge assortment of flies.  Some of these are so old and have been hidden under other flies for so long that I only see them every couple of years or so.  Every once in a while I waste a couple of hours sorting through the boxes and trying to arrange them according to one scheme or another.  I always give up long before the task is completed, so I have to dig through a number of boxes whenever looking for inspiration in the middle of what appears to be a barren stream. In one pocket (I never remember which one because it changes….apparently of its own will) I keep a box with most of the flies I am likely to use on most outings.  This one contains elk hair caddis, pass lakes, pheasant tail nymphs, picket pin, grhe, maybe some humpies, a couple of wulff variations, foam ants, and hoppers in season.  The others I am fairly likely to use on a more or less regular basis are woolly buggers, woolly worms, mickey finns, hornbergs, and a couple of other oddball streamers and nymphs. Most of the above list account for a small percentage of the fish I catch.  Probably 80% of the trout I catch fall prey to the ehc.  Add the pass lake, foam ants, and hoppers and the total likely comes up to 95%. Woolly buggers, pts, and grhes round it out to virtually 100%. Blue gills are incredible suckers for the pass lake.  Small mouth bass can’t get enough of woolly buggers. Wolfgang and then there’s the hex hatch….of course

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Having just had an opportunity (at the recent roff NOT clave) to review what I carry and what I’m likely to use, I am qualified to comment. There are lessons within this submission. In times long past, I carried one or two small boxes with a few useful flies and caught fish.  Over the past few years, I’ve called Walt and had him get a dozen of this and a dozen of that and load them into an Okuma box or two.  Now, I find that my chest pack is stuffed full of Okuma boxes with all manner of flies.  And the damndest thing, as evidenced by this recent outing, is that Walt now comes to me, saying "you got a sparkly green Wooly Bugger with red eyes and an orange Now, I don’t catch any more fish, I have a sore lumbar region from all of the weight in my pack, my wallet’s empty and the bastid wanted me to leave my remaining beer behind at my departure "so he and Jeff wouldn’t have to go into town for more……". Hell, you thought *you* had friends……. How many flies…..well lemme say *that* ain’t the real question…nossir,….nossir, it ain’t. Tom ……what are you carrying in <your fly box these days (if its not unethical to ask…)?

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8< Now, I don’t catch any more fish, I have a sore lumbar region from all of the weight in my pack, my wallet’s empty and the bastid wanted me to leave my remaining beer behind at my departure "so he and Jeff wouldn’t have to go into town for more……".

now Tom, you know that was justifiable concern for your well-being….. I couldn’t stand the thought of you possibly being arrested for transportin’ across the state. I shouldn’t have been concerned as Big Dale made a trip over to Bryson and picked up some wonderful brews….. Guiness, Bass, some Octos… come to mind….. BTW, despite jeffies energetic attempt, I still have plenty left…… Opie left his brew also…. hmmm, round two? flies….. hmmmmm, here in NC….. adams parachute, don’t leave home without it. a funny aside…. the other day as tommy and i were unpacking a display fixture, the usual foam peanuts also contained these thick dun gray closed cell foam pieces. we were gigglin like school children with the tyin possibilities….. foam bodied adams…etc. i can’t wait to try them out. Big Dale: that sweet little neck you gave me from the fff clave is producin some of the most wonderful yellahammas…. thankee, thankeee, thankeeeeeeeeeeee! –waldo

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so, what are you carrying in <your fly box these days (if its not unethical to ask…)?

Elk Hair Caddis, Yellow and Orange Stimulators, CDC Two Feathers, Gold Ribbed Hare’s Ears, Prince Nymphs. Both nymphs with and without beads, ‘tho the bead heads are generally more productive, IME. That’s almost all of it, except that depending on the time of year I carry a couple of favorite terrestrial patterns like hoppers and beetles. During the coldest part of winter I tie some 22-24 nymphs with black, red, or clear glass bead heads, which are deadly fished at the bottom of a pool with lots of weight and drifted s-l-o-w-l-y. I also like Larva Lace Soft Hackles at different times of the year. So all that exceeds the half dozen or so patterns suggested by the quote, but not by much. If I had to give up all patterns but one, I’d keep the EHC. I catch 75% of my trout in the Smokies and Blue Ridge on them.

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Parachute Adams Quill Gordons Prince Nymphs Gold-Ribbed Hare’s Ears Clouser Minnows (useless for trout, wonderful for crappie) Dave’s Hoppers (don’t know why. I’ve never had a take on them) And if I stop in a flyshop for advice, I’ll usually carry a dozen of whatever they recommend. "Gimme a dozen of whatever’s working" or something like. And nothing is unethical unless rw is the one doing it. – — "Armchair warriors often fail, and we’ve been  poisoned by these fairy tales" -Don Henley —–BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE—– Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE71VT/rpli/675/DERAjGaAKCCDObehLzMiboUHOXVp7lbbdcuiACgh3/b aqEkwEmhVyvNNbCvsfCbd74= =gslu —–END PGP SIGNATURE—–

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What’s in my box today ? None of your damned business… ;{) — The Halfordian Golfer The deceipt ends with the lure.

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What’s in my box today ? None of your damned business… ;{)

Ahhh, T-Bone. You are consistent, if nothing else. I withdraw the question… <g riverman

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What’s in my box today ? None of your damned business… Ahhh, T-Bone. You are consistent, if nothing else. I withdraw the question…

Don’t worry riverman. I think he just didn’t understand the question. If you had instead asked "what’s in your coffee can?" you likely would have got the answer you were looking for. –Steve

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What’s in my box today ? None of your damned business… Ahhh, T-Bone. You are consistent, if nothing else. I withdraw the question… Don’t worry riverman. I think he just didn’t understand the question. If you had instead asked "what’s in your coffee can?" you likely would have got the answer you were looking for.

Really? T-Bone uses a coffeecan to store his flies? How does this work, T-Bone? (And I wasn’t worried. T-Bone is definately the Pike in this pond, and helps keep a nice balanced ecosystem. I’m just fishing on light tackle today.) riverman

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I’ll be going to Deschutes and Waterton-Glacier park in Montana. Does anyone know of any good fly shops near by and some good trout streams? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ron

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I’ll be going to Deschutes and Waterton-Glacier park in Montana. Does anyone know of any good fly shops near by and some good trout streams? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ron

Er . . . There is a Deschutes River in Oregon (and a smaller Deschutes River in Washington), but I don’t know of a "Deschutes" in Montana?  If its the one in Oregon, there is a fine shop in Maupin, but if you are fishing the mouth from where the Deschutes meets the Columbia, you need to get your stuff in Portland (Kaufmans Streamborn in Beaverton?) or if coming down from Washington (I-5?) then Angler’s Workshop in Woodland is your best bet. As to the Waterton-Glacier area . . . I don’t know. Dave

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Dave, that wasn’t very clear. I should have said Deschutes OR and Waterton-Glacier Mt. Ron

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll be going to Deschutes and Waterton-Glacier park in Montana. Does anyone know of any good fly shops near by and some good trout streams? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ron Er . . . There is a Deschutes River in Oregon (and a smaller Deschutes River in Washington), but I don’t know of a "Deschutes" in Montana?  If its the one in Oregon, there is a fine shop in Maupin, but if you are fishing the mouth from where the Deschutes meets the Columbia, you need to get your stuff in Portland (Kaufmans Streamborn in Beaverton?) or if coming down from Washington (I-5?) then Angler’s Workshop in Woodland is your best bet. As to the Waterton-Glacier area . . . I don’t know. Dave

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"Walt Winter" wrote… Are you planning on stopping by Penns?

Probably; I figure my casting "technique" will give the guys something to laugh at. Timothy Juvenal For years my fly-casting technique was compared … to an old lady fighting off a bee with a broom handle.     -Patrick F. McManus

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ok, ya got me stumped. which book has all the cool flyfishing quotes in it? –walt…. whose own casting style will have them guffawing uncontrollably…. "Walt Winter" wrote… Are you planning on stopping by Penns? Probably; I figure my casting "technique" will give the guys something to laugh at. Timothy Juvenal For years my fly-casting technique was compared … to an old lady fighting off a bee with a broom handle.     -Patrick F. McManus

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"Walt Winter" wrote… ok, ya got me stumped. which book has all the cool flyfishing quotes

in it? Gotta bunch of ‘em from various female acquaintances.  "Quotable Fisherman" by Nick Lyons, "Gone Fishin’" by Marc Anello, "Gone Fishing!" by Anna Nicholas, etc.  Not sure why I’m always getting these.  But then, I’m not sure of anything regarding females. Timothy Juvenal I know the joy of fishes In the river Through my own joy As I go walking Along the river     -Chuang Tzu

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thankee tim…. -ww – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Walt Winter" wrote… ok, ya got me stumped. which book has all the cool flyfishing quotes in it? Gotta bunch of ‘em from various female acquaintances.  "Quotable Fisherman" by Nick Lyons, "Gone Fishin’" by Marc Anello, "Gone Fishing!" by Anna Nicholas, etc.  Not sure why I’m always getting these.  But then, I’m not sure of anything regarding females. Timothy Juvenal I know the joy of fishes In the river Through my own joy As I go walking Along the river     -Chuang Tzu

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"Walt Winter" wrote… Are you planning on stopping by Penns? Probably; I figure my casting "technique" will give the guys something to laugh at. Timothy Juvenal For years my fly-casting technique was compared … to an old lady fighting off a bee with a broom handle.     -Patrick F. McManus

Some act and talk as though casting were the entire art of Fly-fishing, and grade an angler solely by the distance he can cover with his flies. This is a great mistake and pernicious in it’s influence. Casting is but a method of placing a fly before the trout without alarming it, and within its reach. It is merely placing food before a guest. The selection of such food as will suit, and so serving it as to please a fastidious and fickle taste, still remain indispensably necessary to induce its acceptance.    - Henry P. Wells, "Fly-Rods and Fly-Tackle", 1885 — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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…    - Henry P. Wells, "Fly-Rods and Fly-Tackle", 1885

While there’s much truth in the quote posted, how fitting that it was posted by an inept, ham-handed, yuppie-come-lately Sandra Bernhardt look-alike who ain’t ever learned to cast a lick. — Ken Fortenberry- no leeches, but thanks anyway

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Some act and talk as though casting were the entire art of Fly-fishing, and grade an angler solely by the distance he can cover with his flies. This is a great mistake and pernicious in it’s influence. Casting is but a method of placing a fly before the trout without alarming it, and within its reach. It is merely placing food before a guest. The selection of such food as will suit, and so serving it as to please a fastidious and fickle taste, still remain indispensably necessary to induce its acceptance.   – Henry P. Wells, "Fly-Rods and Fly-Tackle", 1885 visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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"rw" wrote… Some act and talk as though casting were the entire art of Fly-fishing, and grade an angler solely by the distance he can cover with his flies. This is a great mistake and pernicious in it’s influence.    - Henry P. Wells, "Fly-Rods and Fly-Tackle", 1885

I think I’m going to need to memorize this quote. 8^) My buddy is really a fine fly-caster: I’ll show him some old rod, and he’ll take it out to parking lot, strip line off the reel and coil it into his hand, and with two strokes of the rod have 50 or 60 feet out, just as pretty as you please.  For the life of me I can’t figure out how he does it.  I’d have to have Joan Wulff blindfold me and call me "Grasshopper" before I’d even get close. Timothy Juvenal And when white moths were on the wing, And moth-like stars were flickering out, I dropped the berry in a stream And caught a little silver trout.     -William Butler Yeats

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"rw" quotes some guy from long ago: "Casting is but a method of placing a fly before the trout without alarming it, and within its reach. It is merely placing food before a guest."

Casting is a lot more to me than simply placing food before a fish. The beauty of a tight, smooth, effortless cast is a pleasure unto itself. It’s no secret that I aspire to be a better caster–but little of that aspiration is based on a desire to catch more fish. –Steve

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…    - Henry P. Wells, "Fly-Rods and Fly-Tackle", 1885 While there’s much truth in the quote posted, how fitting that it was posted by an inept, ham-handed, yuppie-come-lately Sandra Bernhardt look-alike who ain’t ever learned to cast a lick.

You’ve seen me catch two fish, Ken. In two different states. You even got a photo of one, but I never saw it. I suspect you forgot to take the lens cap off. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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While there’s much truth in the quote posted, how fitting that it was posted by an inept, ham-handed, yuppie-come-lately Sandra Bernhardt look-alike who ain’t ever learned to cast a lick. Ken Fortenberry- no leeches, but thanks anyway

Naw, he looks more like Merril Streep when he’s in drag! Wayne (wondering if the NC cabin at the Clave has room for a chiffon gown with off-the-shoulder sleeves) to fish is human….to release Divine!  —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  —–   http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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Wayne (wondering if the NC cabin at the Clave has room for a chiffon gown with off-the-shoulder sleeves)

I propose that we temporarily suspend the usenet injunction against posting binaries……I GOTTA see this! Wolfgang um…….what would that be, about a 26 slim?      

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but little of that aspiration is based on a desire to catch more fish.

I thought that was a bonus to the adventure. Drew

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Wayne (wondering if the NC cabin at the Clave has room for a chiffon gown with off-the-shoulder sleeves)

……tell Tom that I will stop by for the banner,well, sometime….                    suffering scary visual,                        your Clavemeister

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Walt, I’ve seen you cast – it’s not funny….(snicker) john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ok, ya got me stumped. which book has all the cool flyfishing quotes in it? –walt…. whose own casting style will have them guffawing uncontrollably…. "Walt Winter" wrote… Are you planning on stopping by Penns? Probably; I figure my casting "technique" will give the guys something to laugh at. Timothy Juvenal For years my fly-casting technique was compared … to an old lady fighting off a bee with a broom handle.     -Patrick F. McManus — Ezflyfish.com: http://www.ezflyfish.com Blue Ridge Book Gallery: http://www.amazon.com/shops/blueridgebooks

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Walt, I’ve seen you cast – it’s not funny….(snicker)

I’ve seen him catch fish.  That wasn’t funny either.     Wolfgang funny how some people have the uncanny ability to steer a guy to every dead hole in a river

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Walt, I’ve seen you cast – it’s not funny….(snicker) I’ve seen him catch fish.  That wasn’t funny either.     Wolfgang funny how some people have the uncanny ability to steer a guy to every dead hole in a river

or the ones full of suckers <BSEG BTW, I have some of the photos back – want a few scans? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Walt, I’ve seen you cast – it’s not funny….(snicker) I’ve seen him catch fish.  That wasn’t funny either.     Wolfgang funny how some people have the uncanny ability to steer a guy to every dead hole in a river or the ones full of suckers <BSEG

Ah yes.  Well, there’s the suckers hiding under the banks, and there’s them what stands on ‘em.    :) BTW, I have some of the photos back – want a few scans?

Hell yes, send all of them! Wolfgang

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Some act and talk as though casting were the entire art of Fly-fishing, and grade an angler solely by the distance he can cover with his flies. This is a great mistake and pernicious in it’s influence.

That’s right.  How many different types of casts you know is important too.

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And when white moths were on the wing, And moth-like stars were flickering out, I dropped the berry in a stream And caught a little silver trout.

Yeah, right, you dropped a Power Bait, more like it….

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wanna see a picture of Wolf naked? john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Walt, I’ve seen you cast – it’s not funny….(snicker) I’ve seen him catch fish.  That wasn’t funny either.     Wolfgang funny how some people have the uncanny ability to steer a guy to every dead hole in a river or the ones full of suckers <BSEG BTW, I have some of the photos back – want a few scans? Peter Visit The Streamer Page at

http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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wanna see a picture of Wolf naked? john

John, its strange you would offer a photo like that here, stranger still, you have a photo like that! To head off the questions which are sure to follow your post, is it electronically ENHANCED??!! Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!  —–  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  —–   http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts

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"Jeff Connelly" wrote … Yeah, right, you dropped a Power Bait, more like it….

Oh, it’s O.K.; I stuck a feather in it first.  8^) Timothy Juvenal Time is but the stream I go a-fishing in.     -Henry David Thoreau

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Tim, Are you planning on stopping by Penns? –Walt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Light Cahills were hatching on the Neshaminy Creek in Southeastern PA on Monday evening.  It was a decent hatch, and fish were rising actively to it.  The water temperature was 65 degrees, air temp was 55 on the ride home.  The air and water temps have been all over the place this year; it was hot, with air temps in the 90’s and water temps around 75 degrees last week.  So the timing of hatches may be a little off this year. Caught numerous rock bass, including some of the bigger ones I’ve seen lately, and a couple of redbreast sunfish using a sulphur with a 5x tippet and #6 line on an old 9′ bamboo rod.  Saw a monster leap completely out of the water, between the branches of a blow-down over an undercut bank.  Fished that fly over under and around that blowdown until the owls said it was time to go; never saw another sign of that fish.  Not positive what it was, but it’s belly was more of a goldish color, not silver like a smallmouth, so I’m thinking a stocked brown. There were still some tan caddis about, and also saw a small dark brown mayfly, but wasn’t able to identify it. At any rate, folks heading to Penn’s creek next week might want to bring some light colored sulphur & cahill imitations in #12 and #14. Timothy Juvenal Yet fish there be, that neither hook nor line Nor snare, nor net, nor engine can make thine.     -John Bunyan

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Light Cahills were hatching on the Neshaminy Creek in Southeastern PA on Monday evening.  It was a decent hatch, and fish were rising actively to it.  The water temperature was 65 degrees, air temp was 55 on the ride home.  The air and water temps have been all over the place this year; it was hot, with air temps in the 90’s and water temps around 75 degrees last week.  So the timing of hatches may be a little off this year. Caught numerous rock bass, including some of the bigger ones I’ve seen lately, and a couple of redbreast sunfish using a sulphur with a 5x tippet and #6 line on an old 9′ bamboo rod.  Saw a monster leap completely out of the water, between the branches of a blow-down over an undercut bank.  Fished that fly over under and around that blowdown until the owls said it was time to go; never saw another sign of that fish.  Not positive what it was, but it’s belly was more of a goldish color, not silver like a smallmouth, so I’m thinking a stocked brown. There were still some tan caddis about, and also saw a small dark brown mayfly, but wasn’t able to identify it. At any rate, folks heading to Penn’s creek next week might want to bring some light colored sulphur & cahill imitations in #12 and #14. Timothy Juvenal Yet fish there be, that neither hook nor line Nor snare, nor net, nor engine can make thine.     -John Bunyan

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I am going to try my hand at some Salmon fishing this year.  A friend of mine recommended that I get some running line for my reel.  He says that you can split in in half and make two running lines.  Questions:  1) Is this true?  2) What are the properties of a running line and what makes it different than other conventional fly lines? 3) Reputable brands?  Thank you in advance.

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I am going to try my hand at some Salmon fishing this year.  A friend of mine recommended that I get some running line for my reel.  He says that you can split in in half and make two running lines.  Questions:  1) Is this true?  2) What are the properties of a running line and what makes it different than other conventional fly lines? 3) Reputable brands?  Thank you

Your friend may have meant to recommend backing, e.g. 30 lb. test braided dacron, to fill up the fly reel under the fly line.  This is needed for strong fish like salmon which may take out more line than the 30-35 yards of the fly line. "Running line" used to be sold by Scientific Anglers (perhaps still is) and was a thin level fly line (0.029 inches diameter) used by people who liked to splice their own tapers, e.g. with a shooting head.  (British reservoir anglers used to use heavy mono for both backing and running line.  Perhaps 20 years ago British mono curled less than American.) — |        Carlsbad Springs, Ottawa, Canada        |

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finer tippets and different flies till ya get it figured out…..have the local shop recommend a fly or two.

And that would be Tulpehocken Creek Outfitters in West Reading.   Helpful, good guys in my limited experience there.    (On W. Penn Ave.?  Tom?) Joe F.

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One of the biggest problems i see are the fish going right up to the fly and kind of nosing it and turning around.  Well  not to keep yammering on and on i’ll close  here and thanks in advance for any and all info. minkaz

As a newbie you will want to get some basics down and have confidence they are working for you.  I suggest you switch to a #14 Royal Wulff dry on a 5X tippet.  If you are using a tapered leader get one which goes down to 5X.  IF you have plenty of casting room get your line into the air and false cast letting out a little line as you go until you get 30 ft. or so out then lay it on the water.  Add power to your strokes as you add line.  Finesse and control will come with practice. Make sure to hold the line in your opposit hand and running over your rod hand index finger.  Watch the fly and at the strike set the hook with the LINE hand and not the rod.  Tightening up on the rod with the index finger at the same time also gives you a quicker set response. DO NOT TAKE YOUR EYES OFF THE FLY NOR DROP THE LINE!  This is important for a newbie to get used to the strike response. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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: Are you hauling or just casting?  If you’re double hauling and only getting 20 : feet, you do have a problem.  If you are just "flipping" the line, learn to : haul. To get past 20′ you *do not* need to learn to haul!

Um, I didn’t say you did, _but_ to get (long) distance, you *do* need to learn to haul, and it especially important with "basic" equipment (one can do a lot of things if one has no regard for equipment), so they may as well learn now.  That said, the poster gave very little info, but _seemed_ to want distance – "Any tips on increasing distance?"  IMO, yes – learn to haul.  If you disagree, you’re wrong, but I’ll agree to disagree.  Also, learning to haul will, IMO, help with casting/timing/"feeling" in an all-around fashion, but that _is_ JMO. TC, R

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Goldens?  In NE PA?  Um……no, I don’t think so.  You might want to have another look at your field guide. The fish commission here has an excellent stocking program.. They release 50 or 60 goldens in this area as trophy fish each year.  It is true however that we have no natural goldens.

Wow this guy’s pretty good – way to keep your cool minkaz. I’m more concerned with getting a good presentation at this point than distance.

Good man! Regards, Jeff

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I’m was casting about 20 ‘ of fly line.

So that’s roughly a 30′ cast. You can catch a lot of fish with that, as long as the surface isn’t real smooth or the trout wary. Regards, Jeff

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Um, I didn’t say you did, _but_ to get (long) distance, you *do* need to learn to haul, and it especially important with "basic" equipment (one can do a lot of things if one has no regard for equipment), so they may as well learn now.  That said, the poster gave very little info, but _seemed_ to want distance – "Any tips on increasing distance?"  IMO, yes – learn to haul.  If you disagree, you’re wrong, but I’ll agree to disagree.  Also, learning to haul will, IMO, help with casting/timing/"feeling" in an all-around fashion, but that _is_ JMO.

A cast of 30 feet is more than adequate in most stream situations, especially when fishing dries like the gentleman was describing. ALL anglers can control drag and make more accurate presentations and cast at shorter distances. Few, even experienced anglers, can really control drag and presentation on a stream at distances over this.  Instead of trying for more distance, my advice would be to first learn to: cast accurately within this 30′ distance stalk and wade carefully control drag make a "delicate" presentation control the line make reasonable fly selections Willi

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : Are you hauling or just casting?  If you’re double hauling and only getting 20 : feet, you do have a problem.  If you are just "flipping" the line, learn to : haul. To get past 20′ you *do not* need to learn to haul! Um, I didn’t say you did, _but_ to get (long) distance, you *do* need to learn to haul, and it especially important with "basic" equipment (one can do a lot of things if one has no regard for equipment), so they may as well learn now.  That said, the poster gave very little info, but _seemed_ to want distance – "Any tips on increasing distance?"  IMO, yes – learn to haul.  If you disagree, you’re wrong, but I’ll agree to disagree.  Also, learning to haul will, IMO, help with casting/timing/"feeling" in an all-around fashion, but that _is_ JMO. TC, R

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Um, I didn’t say you did, _but_ to get (long) distance, you *do* need to learn to haul, and it especially important with "basic" equipment (one can do a lot of things if one has no regard for equipment), so they may as well learn now.  That said, the poster gave very little info, but _seemed_ to want distance – "Any tips on increasing distance?"  IMO, yes – learn to haul.  If you disagree, you’re wrong, but I’ll agree to disagree.  Also, learning to haul will, IMO, help with casting/timing/"feeling" in an all-around fashion, but that _is_ JMO. A cast of 30 feet is more than adequate in most stream situations, especially when fishing dries like the gentleman was describing. ALL anglers can control drag and make more accurate presentations and cast at shorter distances. Few, even experienced anglers, can really control drag and presentation on a stream at distances over this.  Instead of trying for more distance, my advice would be to first learn to: cast accurately within this 30′ distance stalk and wade carefully control drag make a "delicate" presentation control the line make reasonable fly selections

Agreed, somewhat.  Originally, I was simply addressing the distance question, but I do think learning to haul is a needed skill.  I will admit I may have being somewhat presumptive, but I did think by "distance" the poster meant more than going from 20 feet to 30 feet.  Usually when someone on ROFF (especially newbies) brings up distance, they seem to mean "casting tourney" distances, and, IMO, even the lower end of that range is nearly *impossible* (I’d say *_IMPOSSIBLE_*, but I never say that…<G) without a double haul, especially with an novice and a fishing-built rod, much less a vet and a tournament-built rod (which is why they are/were two different rods).  If you care, look up some of my posts for my opinions on the "gotta go long" thinking. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Willi

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Nahhhh.  You go JeffC.  Just let us know how it works out

Hmm, half the shit I get is for complaining to much and not contributing too discussions actually related too fly fishing.  Half the shit I get is for adding to much too fly fishing discussions.  The other half of the shit I get is for being a general wiseass, jackass, or just plane pimply white ass.  I’m sure you’ll understand if I just post what I want to — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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As a newbie you will want to get some basics down and have confidence they are working for you.  I suggest you switch to a #14 Royal Wulff dry on a 5X tippet.

But wouldn’t you want to know what kind of water he’s fishing before recommending a fly like that?  All we know so far as that where he’s fishing is: "small creek about 15 feet across.  I found a nice pool that’s is really close to crysal clear."  It could be a smooth surfaced, clear spring creek.  We also know he’s getting a lot of refusals.  Would you recommend the same or different fly for that? — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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We also know he’s getting a lot of refusals.

Correction – he’s getting rises but not hooking them – don’t know if they are refusals or not. — Regards, Jeff Before you buy.

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(uninformed snipped) Regards, Jeff

On Eastern streams the RW is an excellent all-a-round searching pattern well suited for small stream use.  His objective here is to "learn the methodology" and take a few fish.  He will get enough takers on the size and fly type recommended to develop the striking technique, have a fly visible enough to watch on the surface to develop his line handling techniques, and a "close enough" match to many hatches in the region this time of year.  Entomology, selective line handling, water reading, and casting improvement will be developed over time with on-water practice. — Wayne To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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As a newbie you will want to get some basics down and have confidence they are working for you.  I suggest you switch to a #14 Royal Wulff dry on a 5X tippet. But wouldn’t you want to know what kind of water he’s fishing before recommending a fly like that

    i don’t give a damn if you are fishing the lava flow in hawaii, or the runoff from victoria falls.  if there’s a trout in the water, he will come about as close to hitting a rw as anything else. wayno

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Are you casting 20 feet between you and the fly, or 20 feet of flyline? It may not be that you’re jumping the gun, but of course it might  They may be rising to it but not actually taking it in their mouths.  You could try a more sparsely tied fly (for example a thorax or no hackle instead of a Wullf style, if the water is fairly flat).  Or you could just try a size or 2 smaller.  Or you could try a longer, lighter tippet. Regards, Jeff

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You MAY be setting the hook to fast.  Then again you may not be fast enough.  Fish will spit anything that doesn’t feel right.  Timing is critical. If you’re getting fish to rise to your fly you don’t need to cast any further.  Don’t worry about it. Distance will come with practice. Goldens?  In NE PA?  Um……no, I don’t think so.  You might want to have another look at your field guide.

The fish commission here has an excellent stocking program.. They release 50 or 60 goldens in this area as trophy fish each year.  It is true however that we have no natural goldens.  I was just out for a little bit this morning and the casting is coming along due to some really good advice.  I’m more concerned with getting a good presentation at this point than distance.   just looking ahead for some pond/lake fishing but for now i’m happy as a clam at the creeks and streams in the area..   thank again for all the info minkaz

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Are you casting 20 feet between you and the fly, or 20 feet of flyline? It may not be that you’re jumping the gun, but of course it might  They may be rising to it but not actually taking it in their mouths.  You could try a more sparsely tied fly (for example a thorax or no hackle instead of a Wullf style, if the water is fairly flat).  Or you could just try a size or 2 smaller.  Or you could try a longer, lighter tippet. Regards, Jeff

I’m was casting about 20 ‘ of fly line.  i’ve gotten better today though so the distance is coming.. I received some info stating i was probably moving the rod too much and it was the case…   i had a little rainbow on this morning but it spit the hook.  still lots of fun though. be going out later. thanks again minkaz

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Hello all I’ve been reading this newsgroup for a few days and have gotten a wealth of information from it.  I am new to fly fishing and am looking for some advice.  I’ve gotten my cast down pretty good well good for the creek i fish..  I can’t get decent distance but the presentation seems to be not too bad.  Any tips on increasing distance?  I’m only getting about 20 feet now, which is about double what i was getting heheeh. Now for the big question.. I’ve been fishing for trout in a small creek and  i’ve been using dry flies and have gotten a lot of hits.. fishing is good here in NE PA.  However i can’t seem to get a good hookset or any hookset for that matter…. probably me jumping the gun but any advice on this would be appreciated. Equipment i’ve been using is a cheap combo i wanted to try out just to get into it a bit more to see if i liked it before investing a ton of cash.  It’s a pflueger rod 5-6   using a #6 wf flyline and a tapered leader.  whole thing cost me about 35 bucks and i’ve gotten some activity from the trout just can’t seem to land one.   One of the biggest problems i see are the fish going right up to the fly and kind of nosing it and turning around.  Well  not to keep yammering on and on i’ll close  here and thanks in advance for any and all info. minkaz

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Hello all I’ve been reading this newsgroup for a few days and have gotten a wealth of information from it.  I am new to fly fishing and am looking for some advice.  I’ve gotten my cast down pretty good well good for the creek i fish..  I can’t get decent distance but the presentation seems to be not too bad.  Any tips on increasing distance?  I’m only getting about 20 feet now, which is about double what i was getting heheeh.

Are you hauling or just casting?  If you’re double hauling and only getting 20 feet, you do have a problem.  If you are just "flipping" the line, learn to haul. Now for the big question.. I’ve been fishing for trout in a small creek and  i’ve been using dry flies and have gotten a lot of hits.. fishing is good here in NE PA.  However i can’t seem to get a good hookset or any hookset for that matter…. probably me jumping the gun but any advice on this would be appreciated.

1st, sharpen your hooks, then work on your technique – practice, practice, practice. Equipment i’ve been using is a cheap combo i wanted to try out just to get into it a bit more to see if i liked it before investing a ton of cash.  It’s a pflueger rod 5-6   using a #6 wf flyline and a tapered leader.  whole thing cost me about 35 bucks and i’ve gotten some activity from the trout just can’t seem to land one.  

IMO, the cost of the equipment shouldn’t be the deciding factor in catching fish and see above about practice. One of the biggest problems i see are the fish going right up to the fly and kind of nosing it and turning around.  Well  not to keep yammering on and on i’ll close  here and thanks in advance for any and all info.

Then they almost certainly realize something’s up.  Perhaps a further description of your tackle and typical conditions.  What patterns are you using? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -minkaz

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Hello all I’ve been reading this newsgroup for a few days and have gotten a wealth of information from it.  I am new to fly fishing and am looking for some advice.

        ken fortenberry is our on duty newbie advice person this week, minkaz, and it would appear that he is temporarily occupied elsewhere. i am quite certain that he will return shortly with a wealth of information for you.  if he doesn’t show in an hour or so, email me with specific questions and i will do the best i can to be of assistance. wayno         p.s.:  what kind of vehicle do you own?

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Any tips on increasing distance? check out books and videos from the library Equipment I’ve been using is a cheap combo

good for you…money aint the thing…. One of the biggest problems i see are the fish going right up to the fly and kind of nosing it and turning a round. finer tippets and different flies till ya get it figured out…..have the local shop recommend a fly or two. flies, finer tippets and sneaky’s the key….for now anyhow

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Nahhhh.  You go JeffC.  Just let us know how it works out (notwithstanding the Richardson Lady.  For GOD’S sake, don’t make her mad…). Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all I’ve been reading this newsgroup for a few days and have gotten a wealth of information from it.  I am new to fly fishing and am looking for some advice.         ken fortenberry is our on duty newbie advice person this week, minkaz, and it would appear that he is temporarily occupied elsewhere. i am quite certain that he will return shortly with a wealth of information for you.  if he doesn’t show in an hour or so, email me with specific questions and i will do the best i can to be of assistance. wayno         p.s.:  what kind of vehicle do you own?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Then they almost certainly realize something’s up.  Perhaps a further description of your tackle and typical conditions.  What patterns are you using? typical conditions where i fish are:  small creek about 15 feet across..  I found a nice pool that’s is really close to crysal clear. i’ts over 6.5 feet deep i know due to me being a newbie at rock climbing also lol.   anyway i’ve been seeing lots and lots of trout in the pool and also at the far end of it in the shallows.  i caught a golden there the other day with my ultralight.  patterns?  i have no idea i’ve been tying on so many different flies and just going with what they chase. So far what’s worked best is an ant and anything that has some yellow or brown color in it.   I have had a few bites but the old heart got pounding and i guess i went to set the hook to fast. Hopefully i’ll settle down with that or i’ll be moving into a cardiac care center.  Again thanks for all the replies

You MAY be setting the hook to fast.  Then again you may not be fast enough.  Fish will spit anything that doesn’t feel right.  Timing is critical. If you’re getting fish to rise to your fly you don’t need to cast any further.  Don’t worry about it. Distance will come with practice. Goldens?  In NE PA?  Um……no, I don’t think so.  You might want to have another look at your field guide.

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   ken fortenberry is our on duty newbie advice person this week, minkaz, and it would appear that he is temporarily occupied elsewhere. i am quite certain that he will return shortly with a wealth of information for you.  if he doesn’t show in an hour or so, email me with specific questions and i will do the best i can to be of assistance. wayno    p.s.:  what kind of vehicle do you own?

hehe i drive an old 79 ford f150 pick up that i’m in the process of restoring.. but i’m not a plummer hehehehe

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Then they almost certainly realize something’s up.  Perhaps a further description of your tackle and typical conditions.  What patterns are you using?

typical conditions where i fish are:  small creek about 15 feet across..  I found a nice pool that’s is really close to crysal clear. i’ts over 6.5 feet deep i know due to me being a newbie at rock climbing also lol.   anyway i’ve been seeing lots and lots of trout in the pool and also at the far end of it in the shallows.  i caught a golden there the other day with my ultralight.  patterns?  i have no idea i’ve been tying on so many different flies and just going with what they chase. So far what’s worked best is an ant and anything that has some yellow or brown color in it.   I have had a few bites but the old heart got pounding and i guess i went to set the hook to fast. Hopefully i’ll settle down with that or i’ll be moving into a cardiac care center.  Again thanks for all the replies minkaz

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BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL FISH PERSON . Does he yell a lot on it? BWAHAHAHAHA, Amanda

WELL ACTUALLY IT DOES CONTAIN A WONDERFUL QUOTE FROM OHIO MUSIC MAG. BABYMASH. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative  artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio.  Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S.  Website being created.  He who thinks he knows deosn’t know  He who knows he deosn’t know knows.  Joseph Campbell.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. I hope you have a day job. Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight.

WELL YES SCOOTER SHE IS ON THE NET SO THAT IS INCREDIBLE FOR YOU TO OBSERVE THAT YOU KNOW OF HER. TACTICS, WHAT TACTICS PARANOID MAN AHHH EXCELLENT, CAN’T SMILE CAN’T LAUGH MISERABLE PRICK. BABYMASH.

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BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL FISH PERSON .

Yes, it was nice, in a "polaroid snapshot" kind of way. While yours was nice in a "throw paint on the canvass and writhe around in it" kind of way. Reading one straight after the other requires a shift in astral planes, so to speak. Dave — ** Please remove the -anon if replying by email **

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. I hope you have a day job. That wasnt very nice or considerate whatsoever. P&G Koebel said that it was the first poem she ever made, and poetry is a very personal art. Sharing her poem with us is a way of sharing her innermost intimate feelings with us. Whether it was to your liking or not is irrelevant, due to the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially when it comes to art. The point was she wanted to open up and share her poetic side. Insult is not a proper response to such a vulnerable action. Besides, she never mentioned anything about considering or making any living out of her poetry. Thank you for your kind and considerate reply. I am sorry if you want to take offense at my post but I know from experience that people can, and do, take offense at virtually anything someone says. THE HYPOCRACY ROCKS ON CHILDREN, I HAVE ALONG WITH MOST DEALT WITH THE FACT YOU ARE A FUCKWIT LONG AGO, MOST OF US NOW FIND YOU A GOOD DAMNED LAUGH AFTER A HARD DAYS GRIND. BABYMASH. Please cease the flamming, Glen. Its apparent that you mean well, but it must end. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen.

GO BASH WHATEVER IT IS SOMEWHERE ELSE BIBLICAL HERO MAN, CLASSIC. BABYMASH. YES SIR.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight. Scooter has always been a fuckwit don’t even bother listening to him. As Mr Beckett once said "The day shone on the nothing new" that about sums him up. And you Timothy Wood have always been a self opinionated little halfwitted fool. Furthermore, along with the fact you are unable to express yourself fully in the english language without resorting to the use of obscenities, you are also unable to competently punctuate your eructations. Your post above, with literary allusion, only serves to prove my point. Well, im not agreeing with Scooter, but he has a point. Please, dont get me wrong. Im not siding with him or anyone, i just think that pointless flaming is absurd and unnessesary. Just let it be and let it end. Otherwise the flaming will just continue and its not fair to subject everyone else in the newsgroup to reading such harsh and offensive material. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen.

DON’T FUUUUUUUUUUCK FUCK FUCKING READ IT, TELL GOD I DON’T LIKE HIM MUCH EITHER OFFICER NOB HEHE, YOU NEED TO TUNE IN TO THOSE BUDDIES OF MINE ON THE HAVOC SHOW AND LIVE. BABYMASH.

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Does he yell a lot on it?

Only when AHH! he can’t help AHH! it! Ahhh! Ahh! Ahhhhhhhhhh! Cliff — Cliff Pratt, CAP Consulting Web build, web design. HTML, Javascript, CGI, ASP, Web Consulting

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight. Scooter has always been a fuckwit don’t even bother listening to him. As Mr Beckett once said "The day shone on the nothing new" that about sums him up. And you Timothy Wood have always been a self opinionated little halfwitted fool. Furthermore, along with the fact you are unable to express yourself fully in the english language without resorting to the use of obscenities, you are also unable to competently punctuate your eructations. Your post above, with literary allusion, only serves to prove my point.

GO SCOOTS BABY, JESUS FUCK CHECK OUT THE DSM AND LOOK YOURSELF UP UNDER PERSONALITY DISORDER. BABYMASH.

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I feel it like a migraine asleep in the rain A dreamer in the lake of rhymes and of slave Then the sun shines, glowing at my skin Touched by the crying violin Dust born of my body Stains burning within soul on fire There is no time to waste now I can never recover in time for death This means spring time  I must explore within myself Peace is the only choice Friends can they know what level I die inside lord It cannot matter or you’ll die I love you And as the sad singer moves, aclipsed by his own mortality only light can save us Smile said the man with the juggler jump Swing in the scenery said the one unafraid of love Dance said the artist to the concrete thinker Grade like chickens from hell Factory and an afternoon nap Lovers in the midst of the perfect taste of truth To face the call of life Dear universe devine The industries of life cannot count I’ts not an injury It’s life this movement so fascinating Oh the closeness I can’t undertand I can never pretend I do I love you friend of people Proud to be smiling at those around you forever feeling the fear You march on. BABYMASH. — ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio. Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S. Website being created. He who thinks he knows deosn’t know He who knows he deosn’t know knows. Joseph Campbell.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. As you can tell I love fishing as well.

I love fishing as well.. Probably the reason Im glum lately..Not fishing season. Reading your poem..made me think of the Walleye that got away this summer.Ill be back there god willing:-) Can I share your poem with my dad?If so include author name as you would want it to be recieved. thanks for a touch of spring in this cold winter. Charla – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I feel it like a migraine asleep in the rain A dreamer in the lake of rhymes and of slave Then the sun shines, glowing at my skin Touched by the crying violin Dust born of my body Stains burning within soul on fire There is no time to waste now I can never recover in time for death This means spring time  I must explore within myself Peace is the only choice Friends can they know what level I die inside lord It cannot matter or you’ll die I love you And as the sad singer moves, aclipsed by his own mortality only light can save us Smile said the man with the juggler jump Swing in the scenery said the one unafraid of love Dance said the artist to the concrete thinker Grade like chickens from hell Factory and an afternoon nap Lovers in the midst of the perfect taste of truth To face the call of life Dear universe devine The industries of life cannot count I’ts not an injury It’s life this movement so fascinating Oh the closeness I can’t undertand I can never pretend I do I love you friend of people Proud to be smiling at those around you forever feeling the fear You march on. BABYMASH.

I enjoyed this also, Thanks for sharing Charla – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio. Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S. Website being created. He who thinks he knows deosn’t know He who knows he deosn’t know knows. Joseph Campbell.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. I hope you have a day job. That wasnt very nice or considerate whatsoever. P&G Koebel said that it was the first poem she ever made, and poetry is a very personal art. Sharing her poem with us is a way of sharing her innermost intimate feelings with us. Whether it was to your liking or not is irrelevant, due to the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially when it comes to art. The point was she wanted to open up and share her poetic side. Insult is not a proper response to such a vulnerable action. Besides, she never mentioned anything about considering or making any living out of her poetry. Thank you for your kind and considerate reply. I am sorry if you want to take offense at my post but I know from experience that people can, and do, take offense at virtually anything someone says.

THE HYPOCRACY ROCKS ON CHILDREN, I HAVE ALONG WITH MOST DEALT WITH THE FACT YOU ARE A FUCKWIT LONG AGO, MOST OF US NOW FIND YOU A GOOD DAMNED LAUGH AFTER A HARD DAYS GRIND. BABYMASH.

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This is being cross-posted and is bringing in some rude people so let’s just ignore them.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. I hope you have a day job. That wasnt very nice or considerate whatsoever. P&G Koebel said that it was the first poem she ever made, and poetry is a very personal art. Sharing her poem with us is a way of sharing her innermost intimate feelings with us. Whether it was to your liking or not is irrelevant, due to the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially when it comes to art. The point was she wanted to open up and share her poetic side. Insult is not a proper response to such a vulnerable action. Besides, she never mentioned anything about considering or making any living out of her poetry. Thank you for your kind and considerate reply. I am sorry if you want to take offense at my post but I know from experience that people can, and do, take offense at virtually anything someone says. THE HYPOCRACY ROCKS ON CHILDREN, I HAVE ALONG WITH MOST DEALT WITH THE FACT YOU ARE A FUCKWIT LONG AGO, MOST OF US NOW FIND YOU A GOOD DAMNED LAUGH AFTER A HARD DAYS GRIND. BABYMASH.

Please cease the flamming, Glen. Its apparent that you mean well, but it must end. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a time of moral crisis, remain neutral" -Dante

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[snipped poem] I hope you have a day job. Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight.

I think she did. I beleave that if you would have removed the "bitch" part, it would have demonstrated some integrity. Just an observation. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 "Such a fragile organ, the brain." -Tojira, swamp queen

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BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL FISH PERSON .

Does he yell a lot on it? BWAHAHAHAHA, Amanda  ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative  artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio.  Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S.  Website being created.  He who thinks he knows deosn’t know  He who knows he deosn’t know knows.  Joseph Campbell.

"Let us so endeavor to eat a lot while we’re alive so they’ll have to bury us in a piano crate. Boy, will that undertaker be sorry."          - Mark Twain.

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I Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight.

Scooter has always been a fuckwit don’t even bother listening to him. As Mr Beckett once said "The day shone on the nothing new" that about sums him up.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snipped poem] I hope you have a day job. Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight. I think she did. I beleave that if you would have removed the "bitch" part, it would have demonstrated some integrity. Just an observation.

WATCH OUT MAN. SCOOTER IS LIKE A BABYMASH WITH NO SPIRIT, NO HUMOUR AND VERY PERSONAL AND NASTY, IT’S WELL KNOWN BROTHER. BABYMASH.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight. Scooter has always been a fuckwit don’t even bother listening to him. As Mr Beckett once said "The day shone on the nothing new" that about sums him up. And you Timothy Wood have always been a self opinionated little halfwitted fool. Furthermore, along with the fact you are unable to express yourself fully in the english language without resorting to the use of obscenities, you are also unable to competently punctuate your eructations. Your post above, with literary allusion, only serves to prove my point.

Well, im not agreeing with Scooter, but he has a point. Please, dont get me wrong. Im not siding with him or anyone, i just think that pointless flaming is absurd and unnessesary. Just let it be and let it end. Otherwise the flaming will just continue and its not fair to subject everyone else in the newsgroup to reading such harsh and offensive material. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 Only the warrior who can admit mortal weakness will be bolstered by immortal strength.

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BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL FISH PERSON .  ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative  artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio.  Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S.  Website being created.  He who thinks he knows deosn’t know  He who knows he deosn’t know knows.  Joseph Campbell.

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I hope you have a day job.

OH GOD, IS THAT SCROTUM SCOOTER BEING THE POSITIVE CHAP HE IS AGAIN. BABYMASH.

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GO EDDIE . BABYMASH.

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[snip P&G's poem] I hope you have a day job. That wasnt very nice or considerate whatsoever. P&G Koebel said that it was the first poem she ever made, and poetry is a very personal art. Sharing her poem with us is a way of sharing her innermost intimate feelings with us. Whether it was to your liking or not is irrelevant, due to the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially when it comes to art. The point was she wanted to open up and share her poetic side. Insult is not a proper response to such a vulnerable action. Besides, she never mentioned anything about considering or making any living out of her poetry. Thank you for your kind and considerate reply.

We all make mistakes and we should take that into consideration at all times. Compassion. I am sorry if you want to take offense at my post but I know from experience that people can, and do, take offense at virtually anything someone says.

I just thought it was meant to be a cruel stab. A smiley face at the end would have explained that it was joke. Bu maybe what you should have said, was "personally i dont find it appealing and advise you not to consider making a career out of it"? Yes, human beings and their sensitivities. Tell me about it. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 History is the study of repetition.

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This is the first poem I ever wrote.  SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. As you can tell I love fishing as well.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I feel it like a migraine asleep in the rain A dreamer in the lake of rhymes and of slave Then the sun shines, glowing at my skin Touched by the crying violin Dust born of my body Stains burning within soul on fire There is no time to waste now I can never recover in time for death This means spring time  I must explore within myself Peace is the only choice Friends can they know what level I die inside lord It cannot matter or you’ll die I love you And as the sad singer moves, aclipsed by his own mortality only light can save us Smile said the man with the juggler jump Swing in the scenery said the one unafraid of love Dance said the artist to the concrete thinker Grade like chickens from hell Factory and an afternoon nap Lovers in the midst of the perfect taste of truth To face the call of life Dear universe devine The industries of life cannot count I’ts not an injury It’s life this movement so fascinating Oh the closeness I can’t undertand I can never pretend I do I love you friend of people Proud to be smiling at those around you forever feeling the fear You march on. BABYMASH. — ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio. Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S. Website being created. He who thinks he knows deosn’t know He who knows he deosn’t know knows. Joseph Campbell.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. I hope you have a day job.

That wasnt very nice or considerate whatsoever. P&G Koebel said that it was the first poem she ever made, and poetry is a very personal art. Sharing her poem with us is a way of sharing her innermost intimate feelings with us. Whether it was to your liking or not is irrelevant, due to the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially when it comes to art. The point was she wanted to open up and share her poetic side. Insult is not a proper response to such a vulnerable action. Besides, she never mentioned anything about considering or making any living out of her poetry. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 The imp, unaware of its own odor, paused to catch its breath…and promptly died.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have never fished before except once at a trout farm where you drop in a line and the fish attack it. I go canoeing alot on a local reservoir and I’d like to get started fishing it. The lake has bass, trout, walleye, crappie and some others. I just got a Shimano spinning combo but I dont know how to get line on the spool or exactly how the spinning reel works. Any help/advice about spinning rods and fishing in general will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

 p[0]       Have a look at the Feild and Stream Web site they have articles on filling your reel and properly setting the drag on you spinning reel as well as the proper way to use the rod to fight the fish. You can find them at http://www.fieldandstream.com/     You might also want to try having a look at the In-Fisherman Web site. They have several of the articles on line and the search engine will help you find techniques for any of the fish you are after. Their URL is http://www.in-fisherman.com     Finally you can try the web site for many of the popular tackle companies. You can find a list of many of them at http://www.acc.umu.se/~widmark/lwmanufa.html     Good luck hope this helps some Maurice. Regards,   —

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I have never fished before except once at a trout farm where you drop in a line and the fish attack it. I go canoeing alot on a local reservoir and I’d like to get started fishing it. The lake has bass, trout, walleye, crappie and some others. I just got a Shimano spinning combo but I dont know how to get line on the spool or exactly how the spinning reel works. Any help/advice about spinning rods and fishing in general will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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I just got a Shimano spinning combo but I dont know how to get line on the spool or exactly how the spinning reel works. Any help/advice about spinning rods and fishing in general will be greatly appreciated.

Advise you to take your reel to your local bait shop or sporting goods store. They will fill your reel usually for 2 or 3

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know what you are flying but when flying my instructors Turbo Aztec, six full grown american people and topped off I can hold 15,000 on one engine, well, or as long as my leg holds out. cg It is most certainly feasible and is done all the time. Wether done single engine or twin is really no consideration. In some respects, a single may be better than a twin because in a twin you need to carry much more fuel to feed two engines. That second engine does not give you any more chances to remain airborne, if one should fail, until such a time that you are back down to normal weights. During the early phases of the flight you would be so heavy with fuel that one engine could not possibly keep you in the air. Reinhard

First off, I would have to see that to believe it. Secondly, to fly OAK-HNL in a Turbo Aztec (14 hrs plus 3 hrs reserve), you would carry a lot more weight in fuel than the load you described here. Reinhard

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I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James The two longest legs are Oakland to Honolulu 2100 NM and from there you have another long leg, either HNL to Majuro, Marshall Islands, or HNL to Tarawa, Republic of Kiribati, the latter one being a good stop, but almost again as far as OAK-HNL. After that you can choose your legs more easily and they are considerably shorter.

You could also go up to Alaska, across and down through Russia, over to Japan and then on to the South Pacific.  It is a much longer journey, but no 2000 mile over water legs. (I wonder how far the jump to Palau would be, I’ve always wanted to go there…) Brian

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First off, I would have to see that to believe it. Secondly, to fly OAK-HNL in a Turbo Aztec (14 hrs plus 3 hrs reserve), you would carry a lot more weight in fuel than the load you described here. Reinhard I only show from OAK to PHNL to be 2089 nm that would only be about 10 hrs in the air.

My rounded off 2100 NM was only a paltry 11 NM off from your very accurate 2089!! well within range 300 gal, 1800 lbs, but you would not be flying  more than 5 hours on one engine. cg

It is quite obvious to me that you are an armchair pilot who has never done anything like this before. Your numbers are all wrong, and I hope for your sake that you never try it. You would most certainly get your feet wet. It took me 13 hours in a Baron 58 and 15 in a Twin Bonanza. Your turbos in that Aztec would most likely do very little if anything for you since westbound to HNL most frequently you need to stay at 10K or below lest you catch the prevailing westerlies which are very strong at altitude. So you would do well to get 150K over the water. Reinhard

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I only show from OAK to PHNL to be 2089 nm that would only be about 10 hrs in the air. well within range 300 gal, 1800 lbs, but you would not be flying  more than 5 hours on one engine.   cg First off, I would have to see that to believe it. Secondly, to fly OAK-HNL in a Turbo Aztec (14 hrs plus 3 hrs reserve), you would carry a lot more weight in fuel than the load you described here. Reinhard

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First off, I would have to see that to believe it. Secondly, to fly OAK-HNL in a Turbo Aztec (14 hrs plus 3 hrs reserve), you would carry a lot more weight in fuel than the load you described here. Reinhard

I thought for IFR you only needed 45 min reserve.  – Doug  -  Kingfisher plans are here…Now, about that Garage… …cruising between 150 to 200 miles per hour… Greater cruising speeds are possible, but the size of the earth does not warrent greater speeds. -Igor Sikorsky in 1934

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It doesn’t matter a great deal what the legal reserve is.  Winds over the Pacific on that flight are usually against you.  If you go high at all to minimize fuel consumption the head winds increase.  The Aztec is NOT a fast airplane for its fuel consumption.   To fly that leg without considerably MORE than a 45 minute reserve, is to seriously invite wet feet.  The 3  hour reserve is not bad.  The 14 hours is quite optimistic, in my opinion.  I think I would use something like 18 hours for flight planning purposes in an Aztec.  Then I would add another three hours for reserve.  That looks like about 21 hours of fuel. I think you could get it in, but not without some pretty special ferry tanks!   John – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First off, I would have to see that to believe it. Secondly, to fly OAK-HNL in a Turbo Aztec (14 hrs plus 3 hrs reserve), you would carry a lot more weight in fuel than the load you described here. Reinhard I thought for IFR you only needed 45 min reserve.  – Doug  -  Kingfisher plans are here…Now, about that Garage… …cruising between 150 to 200 miles per hour… Greater cruising speeds are possible, but the size of the earth does not warrent greater speeds. -Igor Sikorsky in 1934

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OK, so its been done before in factory planes, how about homebuilts?  I am considering the KR2, which has an advertised range of 1600sm, can this be extended with additional tanks to the 2100nm required to fly to HNL? James – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James James, It is most certainly feasible and is done all the time. Wether done single engine or twin is really no consideration. In some respects, a single may be better than a twin because in a twin you need to carry much more fuel to feed two engines. That second engine does not give you any more chances to remain airborne, if one should fail, until such a time that you are back down to normal weights. During the early phases of the flight you would be so heavy with fuel that one engine could not possibly keep you in the air. The two longest legs are Oakland to Honolulu 2100 NM and from there you have another long leg, either HNL to Majuro, Marshall Islands, or HNL to Tarawa, Republic of Kiribati, the latter one being a good stop, but almost again as far as OAK-HNL. After that you can choose your legs more easily and they are considerably shorter. Reinhard

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What did you assume that I would try it without any  preflight planning?? cg It is quite obvious to me that you are an armchair pilot who has never done anything like this before. Your numbers are all wrong, and I hope for your sake that you never try it. You would most certainly get your feet wet. It took me 13 hours in a Baron 58 and 15 in a Twin Bonanza. Your turbos in that Aztec would most likely do very little if anything for you since westbound to HNL most frequently you need to stay at 10K or below lest you catch the prevailing westerlies which are very strong at altitude. So you would do well to get 150K over the water. Reinhard

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First off, I would have to see that to believe it. Secondly, to fly OAK-HNL in a Turbo Aztec (14 hrs plus 3 hrs reserve), you would carry a lot more weight in fuel than the load you described here. Reinhard I thought for IFR you only needed 45 min reserve.  – Doug  -  

Surely you jest, Doug. Kidding aside, the special flight permit that you get for the overload condition and he temporary fuel tank installation requires you calculate in a 3 hour reserve on transoceanic flights. Things can happen while on such a long flight; the forecast winds can turn out different, you might have equipment problems that cause you to burn more fuel for less airspeed than you had planned, etc. I have had several a couple of occasions when I was glad for the extra fuel. Remember, there is only one time when you can have too much fuel: when you are on fire. Reinhard

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It doesn’t matter a great deal what the legal reserve is.  Winds over the Pacific on that flight are usually against you.  If you go high at all to minimize fuel consumption the head winds increase.  The Aztec is NOT a fast airplane for its fuel consumption.   To fly that leg without considerably MORE than a 45 minute reserve, is to seriously invite wet feet.  The 3  hour reserve is not bad.  The 14 hours is quite optimistic, in my opinion.  I think I would use something like 18 hours for flight planning purposes in an Aztec.  Then I would add another three hours for reserve.  That looks like about 21 hours of fuel. I think you could get it in, but not without some pretty special ferry tanks!  

How do you get 21 hours of fuel into an Aztec?  I’m not familiar with the type, but at an avg fuel burn of 8-10 GPH – we’re talking about 168-210 gals. Where would you put it all?  Another question springs to mind – how do you add oil in flight? I’ve seen club aircraft burn as much as a 1/2 qt/hr. The sump would be bone dry after 21 hrs with no additional oil.

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I think I would use something like 18 hours for flight planning purposes in an Aztec.  Then I would add another three hours for reserve.  That looks like about 21 hours of fuel. I think you could get it in, but not without some pretty special ferry tanks! How do you get 21 hours of fuel into an Aztec?  I’m not familiar with the type, but at an avg fuel burn of 8-10 GPH – we’re talking about 168-210 gals. Where would you put it all?  Another question springs to mind – how do you add oil in flight? I’ve seen club aircraft burn as much as a 1/2 qt/hr. The sump would be bone dry after 21 hrs with no additional oil.

If you stay below 10k feet, you will frequently find winds that are not too bad. You often find about 10 knots of help down low.. Under no circumstances would I start out with ANY headwind on that leg. Then you could make HNL in about 14-15 hrs in an Aztec. Taking a Baron to Fiji last year, I flew at 6K feet to HNL and did quite well. (13 hrs.) Fitting all that fuel into the plane is really not so difficult. There are professional tanking outfits that install ferry tanks in the cabin in a day. You are certainly correct when you adress the oil issue. It is absolutely essential that you know the oil consumption of your engines. And there is also a way to rig an oil replenishing setup to that you can add oil in flight. Reinhard

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OK, so its been done before in factory planes, how about homebuilts?  I am considering the KR2, which has an advertised range of 1600sm, can this be extended with additional tanks to the 2100nm required to fly to HNL? James

Well Jon Johanson has done it both ways (make that crossed the Pacific … ) in an RV-4 during his round the world trips. Check out his Web site at http://www.mag-net.educ.monash.edu.au/saaa/head.html. He has also published his autobio called "Aiming High", Wakefield Press, South Australia, ISBN 1 86254 424 7. Highly recommended reading for anyone building their own plane. Rgds JD   …… I’d rather be flying ….. John Duncan M.C.N.E.  PPL(A)  J.P.  AOPA(Aust)#42745 EAA#548147 J & J Network Services Pty Ltd P.O. Box 109 Minto N.S.W. 2566 Australia

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My tongue was firmly in cheek.  I don’t fly VFR without at least 1 hour reserve. — Doug  -  Kingfisher plans are here…Now, about that Garage… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It doesn’t matter a great deal what the legal reserve is.  Winds over the Pacific on that flight are usually against you.  If you go high at all to minimize fuel consumption the head winds increase.  The Aztec is NOT a fast airplane for its fuel consumption.   To fly that leg without considerably MORE than a 45 minute reserve, is to seriously invite wet feet.  The 3  hour reserve is not bad.  The 14 hours is quite optimistic, in my opinion.  I think I would use something like 18 hours for flight planning purposes in an Aztec.  Then I would add another three hours for reserve.  That looks like about 21 hours of fuel. I think you could get it in, but not without some pretty special ferry tanks!   John I thought for IFR you only needed 45 min reserve.  – Doug  -  Kingfisher plans are here…Now, about that Garage… …cruising between 150 to 200 miles per hour… Greater cruising speeds are possible, but the size of the earth does not warrent greater speeds. -Igor Sikorsky in 1934

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No idea about a KR2, but you might want to read Sport Aviation (past few issues) and look for the 2 part round the world story by the author and Burt Rutan, who flew their Long EZ’s around the world. Very informative (and nice pictures – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, so its been done before in factory planes, how about homebuilts?  I am considering the KR2, which has an advertised range of 1600sm, can this be extended with additional tanks to the 2100nm required to fly to HNL? James

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, so its been done before in factory planes, how about homebuilts?  I am considering the KR2, which has an advertised range of 1600sm, can this be extended with additional tanks to the 2100nm required to fly to HNL? James Well Jon Johanson has done it both ways (make that crossed the Pacific … ) in an RV-4 during his round the world trips. Check out his Web site at http://www.mag-net.educ.monash.edu.au/saaa/head.html. He has also published his autobio called "Aiming High", Wakefield Press, South Australia, ISBN 1 86254 424 7. Highly recommended reading for anyone building their own plane.

James, You are considering a monumental task here ol chap, this sought of feat requires a hell of a lot of homework and I would suggest you’re really stretching it in a KR-2. With a large amount of retro-fitting you could possibly carry out this adventure, however the stakes are extremely high! I would also endorse the above, ie read Jon Johannson’s book and while your doing that bare a thought for the planning both technically and enroute that goes into these voyages. You may also wish to contact the "Mick & Dick" of "Round the World Friendship Tour":- Sport Aviation Feb edition Pg 76. For a start, unless you’ve got heaps of "Bucks" behind you, just go build your A/C and enjoy flying it around the "States". Whilst I’ll admit, I don’t have an intermit knowledge of the KR-2 and its weight & balance etc, it is only small by any standards. Its payload excess does not go down well with the number crunching required when you consider such additions as fuel, extra redundancy systems req’d, and ESPECIALLY CONSIDER ENGINE RELIABLITY etc, etc. To say the least, 18 plus hours is a long time to spend in the close confines of a KR-2 cockpit, surrounded by custom built ferry tanks around your ears. I have two buddies that were involved in Ferry Flights across the Pacific in their younger days. One of them did get his feet wet mid Pacific (1200 Nm from nowhere & at night) when the nut on the Alternator pulley worked its way loose. Lucky for him he had spotted a fishing boat a couple of hours before and was able to back track and relocate it. All be it, he was now down to torch and compass. That was in a brand new production A/C as well. Glenn now does his long transcontinental flights the same way I do, the only way:-In style at 43,000 ft. James, whilst your challenge is a commendable one, the golden rule is to keep your feet dry. Best way to do that is travel the South Pacific the same way most of us do, In a 747, 767 etc, and don’t forget you can have the added advantage of sipping champagne or other adult beverages!! If you’re considering going on from HNL to other South Pacific destinations, then you have a hole heap more challenges in front of you. Regards Ray (Just my 2 cents worth) J.

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I don’t know what you are flying but when flying my instructors Turbo Aztec, six full grown american people and topped off I can hold 15,000 on one engine, well, or as long as my leg holds out. cg It is most certainly feasible and is done all the time. Wether done single engine or twin is really no consideration. In some respects, a single may be better than a twin because in a twin you need to carry much more fuel to feed two engines. That second engine does not give you any more chances to remain airborne, if one should fail, until such a time that you are back down to normal weights. During the early phases of the flight you would be so heavy with fuel that one engine could not possibly keep you in the air. Reinhard

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How do you get 21 hours of fuel into an Aztec?  I’m not familiar with the type, but at an avg fuel burn of 8-10 GPH – we’re talking about 168-210 gals. Where would you put it all?  Another question springs to mind – how do you add oil in flight? I’ve seen club aircraft burn as much as a 1/2 qt/hr. The sump would be bone dry after 21 hrs with no additional oil.

The Aztec would burn considerably more than 8-10 GPH.  Probably closer to 25 GPH.  So we are talking about over 500 gallons.  The Aztec is a rather slow twin with a pair of 250 HP flat engines.  It is Pipers upscale Apache, just as the Beech Baron is the high power version of the Travelair. John

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What is the availability of av-gas in Russia. I hear that it’s non-existant. D.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think I would use something like 18 hours for flight planning purposes in an Aztec.  Then I would add another three hours for reserve.  That looks like about 21 hours of fuel. I think you could get it in, but not without some pretty special ferry tanks! How do you get 21 hours of fuel into an Aztec?  I’m not familiar with the type, but at an avg fuel burn of 8-10 GPH – we’re talking about 168-210 gals. Where would you put it all?  Another question springs to mind – how do you add oil in flight? I’ve seen club aircraft burn as much as a 1/2 qt/hr. The sump would be bone dry after 21 hrs with no additional oil. If you stay below 10k feet, you will frequently find winds that are not too bad. You often find about 10 knots of help down low.. Under no circumstances would I start out with ANY headwind on that leg. Then you could make HNL in about 14-15 hrs in an Aztec. Taking a Baron to Fiji last year, I flew at 6K feet to HNL and did quite well. (13 hrs.) Fitting all that fuel into the plane is really not so difficult. There are professional tanking outfits that install ferry tanks in the cabin in a day. You are certainly correct when you adress the oil issue. It is absolutely essential that you know the oil consumption of your engines. And there is also a way to rig an oil replenishing setup to that you can add oil in flight. Reinhard

Reinhard is exactly right.  You notice in the original post that I did mention that it would take some fancy ferry tanks to get the fuel in! When my airplane flew across the Atlantic from Brazil to Cornwall, they added a special fancy ferry tank.  A 50 gallon drum on chocks where the back seat goes, with a wobble pump to pump fuel up into the wing tank. They recommended that you run the wing tank down to less than a quarter full before pumping fuel up to it.  They said watch the gauges so you do not overfill it and pump fuel overboard.   The also recommended the long distance power setting of 1800 RPM and 23 inches of manifold pressure.  That was supposed to get the fuel consumption down to 14.7 gallons per hour.  That gave a little over eight hours in the air.  At that power setting, you get 100 knots! Still wouldn’t make Honolulu! John

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I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James

James, It is most certainly feasible and is done all the time. Wether done single engine or twin is really no consideration. In some respects, a single may be better than a twin because in a twin you need to carry much more fuel to feed two engines. That second engine does not give you any more chances to remain airborne, if one should fail, until such a time that you are back down to normal weights. During the early phases of the flight you would be so heavy with fuel that one engine could not possibly keep you in the air. The two longest legs are Oakland to Honolulu 2100 NM and from there you have another long leg, either HNL to Majuro, Marshall Islands, or HNL to Tarawa, Republic of Kiribati, the latter one being a good stop, but almost again as far as OAK-HNL. After that you can choose your legs more easily and they are considerably shorter. Reinhard

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I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James I think someone tried this in a twin.  Her name was Amelia something….. Sorrry, it was too easy to pass on  :-)

Like minds I guess, but I resisted.  Abacus.com has an add-on for MS Flight Simulator that follows her route.    It wasn’t/isn’t an easy flight. John J. Miller

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I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James

Da Plane, Boss, Da Plane! (sorry, just couldn’t help myself) John Galban====N4BQ (PA28-180)

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I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James

I think someone tried this in a twin.  Her name was Amelia something….. Sorrry, it was too easy to pass on  :-) Jeff Oslick

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I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James

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Check out http://www.calle.com/aviation/airports.cgi Allows you to specify departure, destination, range and speed, and displays a nice table and map of the results. Lots of material for dream flights… BTW you probably don’t want a totally deserted island; food, water, fuel, runway and women should be minimum requirements (the website allows you to specify 2 out of these 5 Eric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have this fantasy of flying to one of them deserted SP islands (Robinson Crusoe Syndrome).  Has anyone tried this in a single engine airplane, is this feasible at all?  Which route would one take? Thanks, James

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What would the readers recommend for fly patterns.  I am planning to use a floating line with a surface fly for a strike indicator and a midge or scud or brassie for the dropper.  The dropper will be tied to the bend of the surface fly and extend for 1.5 times the depth of the water that I find myself fishing in. What would you recommend for the surface fly/dropper combinations and please include size and color recommendations. Thanks in advance. Dan —  Intel, Corp.  5000 W. Chandler Blvd.  Chandler, AZ  85226

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: What would the readers recommend for fly patterns.  I am planning to use a : floating line with a surface fly for a strike indicator and a midge or scud or : brassie for the dropper.  The dropper will be tied to the bend of the surface : fly and extend for 1.5 times the depth of the water that I find myself fishing : in. : : What would you recommend for the surface fly/dropper combinations and please : include size and color recommendations. If you use a search engine and type "Fly Fishing in Arizona" it should lead you to the home page which is updated (either weekly or monthly) with the latest info on all parts of Arizona. It gives water levels, current conditions, fly patterns, tips for the week, and lots more…great resource.   Good luck and post a trip report. **   Mark Olson           # "In any audience, twenty percent  ** **   Las Vegas Academy    #  minds drift and sixty percent    ** **   Brooks Alumni        #  are actively engaged in sexual   ** **   Class of ‘88         #  fantasies."                      ** **   Member PIEA          #            —Gov. Pete Wilson    **

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I might be heading out to Hong Kong – it’s a business trip, but there’s ALWAYS time for fly-fishing. Anyone got any ideas of what the fishing is like out there ? Thanks in advance, Doug

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Sorry Doug, I lived there for 10 years and the only fishing I did was in Australia. Some people dangle bits of meat in the harbour and get the occasional bite from something equally disgusting. The fishing is offshore and long gone Simon Hallett

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I wouldn’t bother, Doug.  I’m a keen fisher myself but I quickly gave up trying during my years out there. Christian Zoega Jessen |   Zoega Virksomhedsr