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Our family just exchanged a few gifts early. My daughter helps run a local zoo (great source for peacock feathers) and has to go in early Christmas morning to make sure all the animals are okay, so we won’t have our usual early AM gift swap. My youngest son gave me an organizer for my tying stuff that is *awesome* and wasn’t even on my list. It’s about 1/4 the size of Frank Reid’s box, so it is HUGE. Now I just have to go out and buy some more stuff to fill it. Looks like I’ll have to wrangle some more $$ by the time the fly fishing show comes to town. Back to bonding with the family and drinking a little toast to them – single malt, of course. I’ll tip my glass to you all as well. I’ve said it before, and at the risk of going maudlin I’ll say it again: I’ve gotten a great amount of information from this group over the past few years that has vastly improved my on-stream enjoyment and performance, and I appreciate every bit of it. I’ve also met some people I’d never have met without ROFF, and would have been a poorer man for not meeting them. — TL, Tim

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. I’ll tip my glass to you all as well. I’ve said it before, and at the risk of going maudlin I’ll say it again: I’ve gotten a great amount of information from this group over the past few years that has vastly improved my on-stream enjoyment and performance, and I appreciate every bit of it. I’ve also met some people I’d never have met without ROFF, and would have been a poorer man for not meeting them. — TL, Tim

    well, maudlin is a word for people who can’t feel what you have just expressed.  of course, that is just an opinion from yfitons wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Get Delorme’s ‘Topo 4′ or any of the other topographical software packages. They contain a majority of the roads and trails that exist in the U.S. and armed with a GPS receiver and a laptop computer you could more than likely cross the entire country with a minimum of pavement. Someone with savy map and compass skills could pre-select the route and go it on paper, although the lap top and GPS allow you to deviate when you want, or when necessary, as the real time conditions and choices come upon you. Bob Walker

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a dream. It is a nice dream. In this dream there is an interstate network of 4×4 trails . Imagine being able to drive from Charlotte NC to Charleston WV and have it take 2 weeks to get there. Imagine finding trails everywhere you go. Some among you say "That would be too expensive. " or " Who’s house are you going to bulldoze for your hobby?"

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I have a dream. It is a nice dream. In this dream there is an interstate network of 4×4 trails . Imagine being able to drive from Charlotte NC to Charleston WV and have it take 2 weeks to get there. Imagine finding trails everywhere you go. Some among you say "That would be too expensive. " or " Who’s house are you going to bulldoze for your hobby?" My answer is: It would be very cheap. And no one’s house would have to torn down. We have this network of high voltage power transmission lines. It criss-crosses the entire nation. There are almost no houses built under these power lines. Most people don’t want to live near them.   Here is how we pay for it. Tax breaks for power companies. Every power company has at least one bulldozer.  Those same companies have the right-of-way for the land under their lines. The places that have no roads would be bulldozed one time and then left to deteriorate.  Just so the power companies would not have to face any liablility (and also so they can maybe make a buck or 2 in the process) there could be permits issued by the CO for a small fee. Anyone who leaves trash would have their permits revoked and given the proper fine for littering. Think of the backwater places that will get money from the four wheel drives going by. Think of the fun that could be had. Sure there are places that no truck will be able to cross. There could be access trails to and from those areas to the main road. Wouldn’t it be grand? Everyone get together and bug your representative about this. Let’s get that interstate trail system. Nature lovers UNITE!

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I have a dream. It is a nice dream. In this dream there is an interstate network of 4×4 trails . Imagine being able to drive from Charlotte NC to Charleston WV and have it take 2 weeks to get there. I

Of course that cheap beer you’ve been drinking is bad for you.  If you’d wake up you’d discover that there are already many miles of off roading, some interstate, in the eastern US.  Try Tellico in eastern TN, over the mountains to NC.  In southern KY a network, some requiring very minor on road excursions, can take you into TN.   In the west, all you need to do is look.  Try the UT/CO border for some very good examples.   The idea of Government allowing unlimited access in this age of terrorism won’t fly.  Be happy with what we’ve got. Dick Burg

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Most power lines are on private property, built using right-of-ways. Though the power company can enter the land to maintain their lines, etc., the land is still private, and subject to the owner’s restrictions. You’d have to negoiate with every land owner (and there would be many) to make this work. Good try, though! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have a dream. It is a nice dream. In this dream there is an interstate network of 4×4 trails . Imagine being able to drive from Charlotte NC to Charleston WV and have it take 2 weeks to get there. Imagine finding trails everywhere you go. Some among you say "That would be too expensive. " or " Who’s house are you going to bulldoze for your hobby?" My answer is: It would be very cheap. And no one’s house would have to torn down. We have this network of high voltage power transmission lines. It criss-crosses the entire nation. There are almost no houses built under these power lines. Most people don’t want to live near them.   Here is how we pay for it. Tax breaks for power companies. Every power company has at least one bulldozer.  Those same companies have the right-of-way for the land under their lines. The places that have no roads would be bulldozed one time and then left to deteriorate.  Just so the power companies would not have to face any liablility (and also so they can maybe make a buck or 2 in the process) there could be permits issued by the CO for a small fee. Anyone who leaves trash would have their permits revoked and given the proper fine for littering. Think of the backwater places that will get money from the four wheel drives going by. Think of the fun that could be had. Sure there are places that no truck will be able to cross. There could be access trails to and from those areas to the main road. Wouldn’t it be grand? Everyone get together and bug your representative about this. Let’s get that interstate trail system. Nature lovers UNITE!

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Of course that cheap beer you’ve been drinking is bad for you.  If you’d wake up you’d discover that there are already many miles of off roading, some interstate, in the eastern US.  Try Tellico in eastern TN, over the mountains to NC.  In southern KY a network, some requiring very minor on road excursions, can take you into TN.  

All well and good, but those places are far from me. The closest half-decent trail is 50 miles from here.  I have spent many a day looking for someplace around here to go off road. I have been reduced to construction sites and mudholes in parking lots.  Sure, there are atv trails galore, but atv’s require no skill to operate. Any kid can get on one and go anywhere. What is the fun in that? Every non-paved road in this area has either a gate or "NO TRESSPASSING" sign on it.  There are literally thousands of 4 wheel drive SUV’s in the greater Charlotte area.  The only place to go is Uwharrie (50 miles away)  which is lame unless it has been raining for days.  No one can make use of their 4×4 here.  Do you realise that Lake Norman has 800 miles of shoreline and 0 4×4 trails that access it? There used to be a few, on power line rights-of-way, but the snobs that live along the lake forced Duke Power to gate, post and trench every one of them. (Can’t have those poor folk fishing around their million dollar shacks, now can we?) This is a problem that needs addressing. At least in this area. I am looking for the cheapest, least difficult method of correcting this problem. It is surprising that some farmer hasn’t made a 4×4 park yet. With all this drought I would think that would be a good way to make money. I would pay $50 for a season pass, and so would thousands of others. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -In the west, all you need to do is look.  Try the UT/CO border for some very good examples.   The idea of Government allowing unlimited access in this age of terrorism won’t fly.  Be happy with what we’ve got. Dick Burg

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deja.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a dream. It is a nice dream. In this dream there is an interstate network of 4×4 trails . Imagine being able to drive from Charlotte NC to Charleston WV and have it take 2 weeks to get there. Imagine finding trails everywhere you go. Some among you say "That would be too expensive. " or " Who’s house are you going to bulldoze for your hobby?" My answer is: It would be very cheap. And no one’s house would have to torn down. We have this network of high voltage power transmission lines. It criss-crosses the entire nation. There are almost no houses built under these power lines. Most people don’t want to live near them.   Here is how we pay for it. Tax breaks for power companies. Every power company has at least one bulldozer.  Those same companies have the right-of-way for the land under their lines. The places that have no roads would be bulldozed one time and then left to deteriorate.  Just so the power companies would not have to face any liablility (and also so they can maybe make a buck or 2 in the process) there could be permits issued by the CO for a small fee. Anyone who leaves trash would have their permits revoked and given the proper fine for littering. Think of the backwater places that will get money from the four wheel drives going by. Think of the fun that could be had. Sure there are places that no truck will be able to cross. There could be access trails to and from those areas to the main road. Wouldn’t it be grand? Everyone get together and bug your representative about this. Let’s get that interstate trail system. Nature lovers UNITE!

In the west a lot of the power lines are thoruhg Government land and they need trails and access anyway to maintian them.  A worthy idea and it will get you most of your western states.  Since the Eastern states don’t have as much (if any?) government land… That’s another problem.

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BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL FISH PERSON . Does he yell a lot on it? BWAHAHAHAHA, Amanda

WELL ACTUALLY IT DOES CONTAIN A WONDERFUL QUOTE FROM OHIO MUSIC MAG. BABYMASH. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative  artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio.  Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S.  Website being created.  He who thinks he knows deosn’t know  He who knows he deosn’t know knows.  Joseph Campbell.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. I hope you have a day job. Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight.

WELL YES SCOOTER SHE IS ON THE NET SO THAT IS INCREDIBLE FOR YOU TO OBSERVE THAT YOU KNOW OF HER. TACTICS, WHAT TACTICS PARANOID MAN AHHH EXCELLENT, CAN’T SMILE CAN’T LAUGH MISERABLE PRICK. BABYMASH.

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BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL FISH PERSON .

Yes, it was nice, in a "polaroid snapshot" kind of way. While yours was nice in a "throw paint on the canvass and writhe around in it" kind of way. Reading one straight after the other requires a shift in astral planes, so to speak. Dave — ** Please remove the -anon if replying by email **

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. I hope you have a day job. That wasnt very nice or considerate whatsoever. P&G Koebel said that it was the first poem she ever made, and poetry is a very personal art. Sharing her poem with us is a way of sharing her innermost intimate feelings with us. Whether it was to your liking or not is irrelevant, due to the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially when it comes to art. The point was she wanted to open up and share her poetic side. Insult is not a proper response to such a vulnerable action. Besides, she never mentioned anything about considering or making any living out of her poetry. Thank you for your kind and considerate reply. I am sorry if you want to take offense at my post but I know from experience that people can, and do, take offense at virtually anything someone says. THE HYPOCRACY ROCKS ON CHILDREN, I HAVE ALONG WITH MOST DEALT WITH THE FACT YOU ARE A FUCKWIT LONG AGO, MOST OF US NOW FIND YOU A GOOD DAMNED LAUGH AFTER A HARD DAYS GRIND. BABYMASH. Please cease the flamming, Glen. Its apparent that you mean well, but it must end. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen.

GO BASH WHATEVER IT IS SOMEWHERE ELSE BIBLICAL HERO MAN, CLASSIC. BABYMASH. YES SIR.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight. Scooter has always been a fuckwit don’t even bother listening to him. As Mr Beckett once said "The day shone on the nothing new" that about sums him up. And you Timothy Wood have always been a self opinionated little halfwitted fool. Furthermore, along with the fact you are unable to express yourself fully in the english language without resorting to the use of obscenities, you are also unable to competently punctuate your eructations. Your post above, with literary allusion, only serves to prove my point. Well, im not agreeing with Scooter, but he has a point. Please, dont get me wrong. Im not siding with him or anyone, i just think that pointless flaming is absurd and unnessesary. Just let it be and let it end. Otherwise the flaming will just continue and its not fair to subject everyone else in the newsgroup to reading such harsh and offensive material. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen.

DON’T FUUUUUUUUUUCK FUCK FUCKING READ IT, TELL GOD I DON’T LIKE HIM MUCH EITHER OFFICER NOB HEHE, YOU NEED TO TUNE IN TO THOSE BUDDIES OF MINE ON THE HAVOC SHOW AND LIVE. BABYMASH.

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Does he yell a lot on it?

Only when AHH! he can’t help AHH! it! Ahhh! Ahh! Ahhhhhhhhhh! Cliff — Cliff Pratt, CAP Consulting Web build, web design. HTML, Javascript, CGI, ASP, Web Consulting

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight. Scooter has always been a fuckwit don’t even bother listening to him. As Mr Beckett once said "The day shone on the nothing new" that about sums him up. And you Timothy Wood have always been a self opinionated little halfwitted fool. Furthermore, along with the fact you are unable to express yourself fully in the english language without resorting to the use of obscenities, you are also unable to competently punctuate your eructations. Your post above, with literary allusion, only serves to prove my point.

GO SCOOTS BABY, JESUS FUCK CHECK OUT THE DSM AND LOOK YOURSELF UP UNDER PERSONALITY DISORDER. BABYMASH.

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I feel it like a migraine asleep in the rain A dreamer in the lake of rhymes and of slave Then the sun shines, glowing at my skin Touched by the crying violin Dust born of my body Stains burning within soul on fire There is no time to waste now I can never recover in time for death This means spring time  I must explore within myself Peace is the only choice Friends can they know what level I die inside lord It cannot matter or you’ll die I love you And as the sad singer moves, aclipsed by his own mortality only light can save us Smile said the man with the juggler jump Swing in the scenery said the one unafraid of love Dance said the artist to the concrete thinker Grade like chickens from hell Factory and an afternoon nap Lovers in the midst of the perfect taste of truth To face the call of life Dear universe devine The industries of life cannot count I’ts not an injury It’s life this movement so fascinating Oh the closeness I can’t undertand I can never pretend I do I love you friend of people Proud to be smiling at those around you forever feeling the fear You march on. BABYMASH. — ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio. Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S. Website being created. He who thinks he knows deosn’t know He who knows he deosn’t know knows. Joseph Campbell.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. As you can tell I love fishing as well.

I love fishing as well.. Probably the reason Im glum lately..Not fishing season. Reading your poem..made me think of the Walleye that got away this summer.Ill be back there god willing:-) Can I share your poem with my dad?If so include author name as you would want it to be recieved. thanks for a touch of spring in this cold winter. Charla – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I feel it like a migraine asleep in the rain A dreamer in the lake of rhymes and of slave Then the sun shines, glowing at my skin Touched by the crying violin Dust born of my body Stains burning within soul on fire There is no time to waste now I can never recover in time for death This means spring time  I must explore within myself Peace is the only choice Friends can they know what level I die inside lord It cannot matter or you’ll die I love you And as the sad singer moves, aclipsed by his own mortality only light can save us Smile said the man with the juggler jump Swing in the scenery said the one unafraid of love Dance said the artist to the concrete thinker Grade like chickens from hell Factory and an afternoon nap Lovers in the midst of the perfect taste of truth To face the call of life Dear universe devine The industries of life cannot count I’ts not an injury It’s life this movement so fascinating Oh the closeness I can’t undertand I can never pretend I do I love you friend of people Proud to be smiling at those around you forever feeling the fear You march on. BABYMASH.

I enjoyed this also, Thanks for sharing Charla – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio. Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S. Website being created. He who thinks he knows deosn’t know He who knows he deosn’t know knows. Joseph Campbell.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. I hope you have a day job. That wasnt very nice or considerate whatsoever. P&G Koebel said that it was the first poem she ever made, and poetry is a very personal art. Sharing her poem with us is a way of sharing her innermost intimate feelings with us. Whether it was to your liking or not is irrelevant, due to the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially when it comes to art. The point was she wanted to open up and share her poetic side. Insult is not a proper response to such a vulnerable action. Besides, she never mentioned anything about considering or making any living out of her poetry. Thank you for your kind and considerate reply. I am sorry if you want to take offense at my post but I know from experience that people can, and do, take offense at virtually anything someone says.

THE HYPOCRACY ROCKS ON CHILDREN, I HAVE ALONG WITH MOST DEALT WITH THE FACT YOU ARE A FUCKWIT LONG AGO, MOST OF US NOW FIND YOU A GOOD DAMNED LAUGH AFTER A HARD DAYS GRIND. BABYMASH.

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This is being cross-posted and is bringing in some rude people so let’s just ignore them.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. I hope you have a day job. That wasnt very nice or considerate whatsoever. P&G Koebel said that it was the first poem she ever made, and poetry is a very personal art. Sharing her poem with us is a way of sharing her innermost intimate feelings with us. Whether it was to your liking or not is irrelevant, due to the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially when it comes to art. The point was she wanted to open up and share her poetic side. Insult is not a proper response to such a vulnerable action. Besides, she never mentioned anything about considering or making any living out of her poetry. Thank you for your kind and considerate reply. I am sorry if you want to take offense at my post but I know from experience that people can, and do, take offense at virtually anything someone says. THE HYPOCRACY ROCKS ON CHILDREN, I HAVE ALONG WITH MOST DEALT WITH THE FACT YOU ARE A FUCKWIT LONG AGO, MOST OF US NOW FIND YOU A GOOD DAMNED LAUGH AFTER A HARD DAYS GRIND. BABYMASH.

Please cease the flamming, Glen. Its apparent that you mean well, but it must end. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in a time of moral crisis, remain neutral" -Dante

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[snipped poem] I hope you have a day job. Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight.

I think she did. I beleave that if you would have removed the "bitch" part, it would have demonstrated some integrity. Just an observation. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 "Such a fragile organ, the brain." -Tojira, swamp queen

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BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL FISH PERSON .

Does he yell a lot on it? BWAHAHAHAHA, Amanda  ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative  artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio.  Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S.  Website being created.  He who thinks he knows deosn’t know  He who knows he deosn’t know knows.  Joseph Campbell.

"Let us so endeavor to eat a lot while we’re alive so they’ll have to bury us in a piano crate. Boy, will that undertaker be sorry."          - Mark Twain.

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I Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight.

Scooter has always been a fuckwit don’t even bother listening to him. As Mr Beckett once said "The day shone on the nothing new" that about sums him up.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snipped poem] I hope you have a day job. Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight. I think she did. I beleave that if you would have removed the "bitch" part, it would have demonstrated some integrity. Just an observation.

WATCH OUT MAN. SCOOTER IS LIKE A BABYMASH WITH NO SPIRIT, NO HUMOUR AND VERY PERSONAL AND NASTY, IT’S WELL KNOWN BROTHER. BABYMASH.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now I’ll know to believe it when someone calls you a wanker. Bitch. You can only be insulted if you want to be. I know of you and your tactics and will not be drawn into some infantile slap fight. Scooter has always been a fuckwit don’t even bother listening to him. As Mr Beckett once said "The day shone on the nothing new" that about sums him up. And you Timothy Wood have always been a self opinionated little halfwitted fool. Furthermore, along with the fact you are unable to express yourself fully in the english language without resorting to the use of obscenities, you are also unable to competently punctuate your eructations. Your post above, with literary allusion, only serves to prove my point.

Well, im not agreeing with Scooter, but he has a point. Please, dont get me wrong. Im not siding with him or anyone, i just think that pointless flaming is absurd and unnessesary. Just let it be and let it end. Otherwise the flaming will just continue and its not fair to subject everyone else in the newsgroup to reading such harsh and offensive material. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 Only the warrior who can admit mortal weakness will be bolstered by immortal strength.

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BEAUTIFUL MATERIAL FISH PERSON .  ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative  artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio.  Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S.  Website being created.  He who thinks he knows deosn’t know  He who knows he deosn’t know knows.  Joseph Campbell.

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I hope you have a day job.

OH GOD, IS THAT SCROTUM SCOOTER BEING THE POSITIVE CHAP HE IS AGAIN. BABYMASH.

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GO EDDIE . BABYMASH.

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[snip P&G's poem] I hope you have a day job. That wasnt very nice or considerate whatsoever. P&G Koebel said that it was the first poem she ever made, and poetry is a very personal art. Sharing her poem with us is a way of sharing her innermost intimate feelings with us. Whether it was to your liking or not is irrelevant, due to the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially when it comes to art. The point was she wanted to open up and share her poetic side. Insult is not a proper response to such a vulnerable action. Besides, she never mentioned anything about considering or making any living out of her poetry. Thank you for your kind and considerate reply.

We all make mistakes and we should take that into consideration at all times. Compassion. I am sorry if you want to take offense at my post but I know from experience that people can, and do, take offense at virtually anything someone says.

I just thought it was meant to be a cruel stab. A smiley face at the end would have explained that it was joke. Bu maybe what you should have said, was "personally i dont find it appealing and advise you not to consider making a career out of it"? Yes, human beings and their sensitivities. Tell me about it. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 History is the study of repetition.

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This is the first poem I ever wrote.  SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. As you can tell I love fishing as well.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I feel it like a migraine asleep in the rain A dreamer in the lake of rhymes and of slave Then the sun shines, glowing at my skin Touched by the crying violin Dust born of my body Stains burning within soul on fire There is no time to waste now I can never recover in time for death This means spring time  I must explore within myself Peace is the only choice Friends can they know what level I die inside lord It cannot matter or you’ll die I love you And as the sad singer moves, aclipsed by his own mortality only light can save us Smile said the man with the juggler jump Swing in the scenery said the one unafraid of love Dance said the artist to the concrete thinker Grade like chickens from hell Factory and an afternoon nap Lovers in the midst of the perfect taste of truth To face the call of life Dear universe devine The industries of life cannot count I’ts not an injury It’s life this movement so fascinating Oh the closeness I can’t undertand I can never pretend I do I love you friend of people Proud to be smiling at those around you forever feeling the fear You march on. BABYMASH. — ..personally I feel Glenn is one of New Zealands most diverse & creative artists. Liz Barry NZ National Radio. Buy babymash now $15 NZ  $10 U.S. Website being created. He who thinks he knows deosn’t know He who knows he deosn’t know knows. Joseph Campbell.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the first poem I ever wrote. SPRING FEVER Winter winds and winter snows are gone and it is spring. A time to think of other things, fishing is the thing. The thing that sets us wandering to rivers, lakes and streams. To catch a spec. a bow or brown, fulfilling idle dreams. We’ve spent all winter tying the flies we’re going to use. Now the time has come again to decide what fly to choose. The choice is made, I tie it on with fingers stiff and cold I cast it out. The cast is good .I watch the line unfold. The offering is accepted. The battle has begun. Taking line down river it makes a desperate run. A mighty leap, a splash. The fish has won. I hope you have a day job.

That wasnt very nice or considerate whatsoever. P&G Koebel said that it was the first poem she ever made, and poetry is a very personal art. Sharing her poem with us is a way of sharing her innermost intimate feelings with us. Whether it was to your liking or not is irrelevant, due to the fact that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, especially when it comes to art. The point was she wanted to open up and share her poetic side. Insult is not a proper response to such a vulnerable action. Besides, she never mentioned anything about considering or making any living out of her poetry. — Dominus vobiscum. Et cum spiritu tuo. Amen. ICQ# 27941899 The imp, unaware of its own odor, paused to catch its breath…and promptly died.

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Ross, I had the same type of problem and I bought a C&R net with a small bungee cord that has a magnet at either end.  One end is attached to the D ring of my vest in the back and the other to the net.  The magnets keep the net nice and high on my back and out of the way.  When I pull on the net, the magnet releases and allows me to have a long line to net the fish. I don’t go fishing for trout anymore without it.  It is one of the best accessories I own.  I don’t use it on smaller fish and I have run across some larger fish that just didn’t fit, but for mid-size trout, I highly recommend it. Rooster – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The most obvious alternative seems to be to use a catch and release net, and herein lies my question.  When fishing alone on a river, how do you use the net and where/how do you carry it while fishing?  I’ve seen fishermen on TV with the nets hanging from the back of their vests, presumably on a retractable line.  Is that the best approach?  Is it easy to access when needed?What is the risk of breaking the rod tip if you have to hold the rod up high to bring the fish in the net?

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Hi Ross, As Darin said in his post I too go without a net when fishing the waters around the Seattle area. Depending on the size of the fish I will usually not even touch the fish with my hands if possible. The reason I can do this is a nifty little tool called a Ketchum-Release designed by a fellow up in BC. So long as you use a barbless hook you can use this tool to slide over the line and then down over the fly. Usually with a simple twist or jerk of your wrist you can remove the fly and the fish is off and running. If you have done this with sufficient water under the fish and the fish hasn’t been played too long you won’t even have to touch the fish. If this fish is showing signs of being overly tired you should try to gently hold in gentle current it without EVER removing it from the water. Every second you have it out of the water reduces the fishes chances of recovery drastically. I also try to never release a fish that is visibly bleeding. If it is then it either goes to the eagles who often are nearby watching every move or if regulations permit I’ll take it home to the smoker (Having said that I might have killed all of ten fish in the last 5 years). The Ketchum-Release has got to be one of my all time favorite fly fishing tools. Just make sure you tie it onto your vest as they sink! Gary Disclaimer– I have nothing to do with the company that makes the Ketchum-Release I just like the tool! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m trying to fine tune my landing of medium size trout to minimize harm to the fish. I typically fish in coastal British Columbia rivers, which are prone to rocky shores (at least where I fish) and my normal method of landing fish involves beaching it then releasing it.  What I notice however is that often the fish will thrash about on the rocks while I’m in the process of beaching it until I pick the fish up to remove the hook and release it back in the water.  I can’t believe that having the fish roll around and hit the rocks (even if its only for a few seconds) can be all that helpful to its survival, so I am trying to find a better approach. The most obvious alternative seems to be to use a catch and release net, and herein lies my question.  When fishing alone on a river, how do you use the net and where/how do you carry it while fishing?  I’ve seen fishermen on TV with the nets hanging from the back of their vests, presumably on a retractable line.  Is that the best approach?  Is it easy to access when needed?What is the risk of breaking the rod tip if you have to hold the rod up high to bring the fish in the net? Can anyone share their experiences and recommendations in beaching fish in similar situations, are nets the solution? Sorry if these are dumb questions, any ideas or experience would be appreciated. Ross

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I once saw Houston bow fishing for gar and other "rough fish".  He was shooting the fish, bringing them in, and then throwing them back in the water.  Couldn’t call that c&r at all, more like release and kill.  He stated that doing this was "good for conservation" since the gar kill sport fish.  I guess it’s a miracle that the largemouth made it this far, without J. Houston to protect them from the bad ol’ gar. David Burnside Since my Jimmy Houston rant a while back, I’ve had occasion to see him a few more times still doing exactly the same shit.   I don’t usually watch these shows, so maybe the others are just as bad, but that guy is appalling. It’s unfathomable to me how his mistreatment of the fish he catches continues to pass for sport and entertainment

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certainly.  The wet fish gets on dry sand/rock and the protective mucus on it are removed as when people grab fish with dry hands.  The fish becomes infected, etc. and later dies.

For a while now I’ve been a bit sceptical about the ‘dry hands -removes the mucous – gets infected – fish dies’ theory. I think that fish are probably perfectly able to replace a bit of slime that gets rubbed off locally. What about the abrasion that occurs ‘naturally’ in the animal’s life, e.g., when cutting redds? Don’t get me wrong: I’m not advocating handling with dry hands or dragging up on a gravel beach those fish intended for release, its just that I question a bit of angling lore that’s been repeated so often that everyone now believes it without challenge. As a matter of interest: the carp and pike specimen hunters in Britain take their ‘releasing’ very seriously. Most fisheries stipulate the use of special padded unhooking mats (that have to be of a minimum size) and weighing slings made of soft, non-abrasive material. There are also purpose-made antibiotic/fungicidal preparations on the market for anglers to apply to hook puncture wounds and other injuries on the fish, prior to release.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For a while now I’ve been a bit sceptical about the ‘dry hands -removes the mucous – gets infected – fish dies’ theory. I think that fish are probably perfectly able to replace a bit of slime that gets rubbed off locally. What about the abrasion that occurs ‘naturally’ in the animal’s life, e.g., when cutting redds? Don’t get me wrong: I’m not advocating handling with dry hands or dragging up on a gravel beach those fish intended for release, its just that I question a bit of angling lore that’s been repeated so often that everyone now believes it without challenge. As a matter of interest: the carp and pike specimen hunters in Britain take their ‘releasing’ very seriously. Most fisheries stipulate the use of special padded unhooking mats (that have to be of a minimum size) and weighing slings made of soft, non-abrasive material. There are also purpose-made antibiotic/fungicidal preparations on the market for anglers to apply to hook puncture wounds and other injuries on the fish, prior to release.

Tony, I to have heard the lore. I always wet my hands, not so much from the lore, but from practical experience as a youth. Down the street from where I was raised in Miami, old man Roberts had a fish farm. His business was importing tropical fish from around the world and selling them to pet shops so that hobbyists could have fish in their tanks. Occasionally, his son John and I would go out and help net & pick fish for the orders being shipped out. The old mans #1 rule was, "wet your hands and keep them wet". The reason being that it protected the fishes mucous which allowed the fish to arrive at their destination in healthy condition without ich growing all over them. I don’t have any scientific basis for any of this, just experience. The old man would usually reward us with a dollar or so and a dime or two for the soda machine. I think the one thing that has changed since the early 60’s that I really miss the most, is the ice-cold 6oz. Coca-Cola’s that would noisily clank down mechanical innards to the dispenser when you put that dime in the slot and depressed the cast iron handle. waldo — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For a while now I’ve been a bit sceptical about the ‘dry hands -removes the mucous – gets infected – fish dies’ theory. I think that fish are probably perfectly able to replace a bit of slime that gets rubbed off locally. What about the abrasion that occurs ‘naturally’ in the animal’s life, e.g., when cutting redds? Don’t get me wrong: I’m not advocating handling with dry hands or dragging up on a gravel beach those fish intended for release, its just that I question a bit of angling lore that’s been repeated so often that everyone now believes it without challenge. As a matter of interest: the carp and pike specimen hunters in Britain take their ‘releasing’ very seriously. Most fisheries stipulate the use of special padded unhooking mats (that have to be of a minimum size) and weighing slings made of soft, non-abrasive material. There are also purpose-made antibiotic/fungicidal preparations on the market for anglers to apply to hook puncture wounds and other injuries on the fish, prior to release. Tony, I to have heard the lore. I always wet my hands, not so much from the lore, but from practical experience as a youth. Down the street from where I was raised in Miami, old man Roberts had a fish farm. His business was importing tropical fish from around the world and selling them to pet shops so that hobbyists could have fish in their tanks. Occasionally, his son John and I would go out and help net & pick fish for the orders being shipped out. The old mans #1 rule was, "wet your hands and keep them wet". The reason being that it protected the fishes mucous which allowed the fish to arrive at their destination in healthy condition without ich growing all over them. I don’t have any scientific basis for any of this, just experience. The old man would usually reward us with a dollar or so and a dime or two for the soda machine. I think the one thing that has changed since the early 60’s that I really miss the most, is the ice-cold 6oz. Coca-Cola’s that would noisily clank down mechanical innards to the dispenser when you put that dime in the slot and depressed the cast iron handle. waldo — Ezflyfish.com http://www.ezflyfish.com BRBG http://www.abebooks.com/home/BLUEBOOKS P.O. Box 5112  Banner Elk, NC 28604 (828)963-5001

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I will be visiting Colorado in a couple of weeks and was wondering what the runoff situation was.  I am specifically interested in the Colorado and Frasier rivers around Granby.  TIA. Dave Felter

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I will be visiting Colorado in a couple of weeks and was wondering what the runoff situation was.  I am specifically interested in the Colorado and Frasier rivers around Granby.  TIA. Dave Felter

one thing about runoff, well two things…. 1) you can always, always fish no matter how high or muddy and nail nice ones. 2) you can always, always go high enough in altitude to the sources which should be in fine shape. — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I will be visiting Colorado in a couple of weeks and was wondering what the runoff situation was.  I am specifically interested in the Colorado and Frasier rivers around Granby.  TIA.

The rivers are dropping and clearing.  I think you’ll have good fishing. 2) you can always, always go high enough in altitude to the sources which should be in fine shape.

How heavy does my sink-tip have to be to get my fly down in the snow-field? — -Wayne Trzyna

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I will be visiting Colorado in a couple of weeks and was wondering what the runoff situation was.  I am specifically interested in the Colorado and Frasier rivers around Granby.  TIA. The rivers are dropping and clearing.  I think you’ll have good fishing. 2) you can always, always go high enough in altitude to the sources which should be in fine shape. How heavy does my sink-tip have to be to get my fly down in the snow-field?

then you’re getting too high, Wayne…<g… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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I will be visiting Colorado in a couple of weeks and was wondering what the runoff situation was.  I am specifically interested in the Colorado and Frasier rivers around Granby.  TIA. Dave Felter

The hydrographs I have seen show the West Slope to be about 10-14 days behind the East Slope for runoff. On the East Slope runoff is only now slowing substantially. My forecast is that it will be another week or two before levelling off to something like normal summer conditions; the west slope should follow by another week or so. Still fishable, though. Ken Clark Ft. Lupton, CO

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fish?  What dry fly catches the most? In an attempt to settle that debate and raise money for Trout Unlimited conservation efforts in Vermont, the first-ever Green Mountain Dual Fly Duel will be held June 28,1997 on the Winooski River in Bolton, Vermont. The Duel is open to all fly anglers.<< While I salute and support the cause for which this is being staged, I must ask why it’s being limited to only fly anglers? TU is NOT a group for fly flingers only, as evidenced by the most recent issue of TROUT magazine. Don’t outings like this falsely indicate to the public that TU is an elitist group of snobbish fly anglers, when in truth it’s a cold water conservation group open to all (even worm dunkers and non-anglers)? I’m constantly battling the image that we are a fly fishing only group within my own TU chapter, and wish others wouldn’t work so hard to undo the efforts some of us have performed. Fair winds and following seas, Pat in Pawtucket  RI Board member, Narragansett Chapter TU

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  What wet fly catches the most fish?  What dry fly catches the most? In an attempt to settle that debate and raise money for Trout Unlimited conservation efforts in Vermont, the first-ever Green Mountain Dual Fly Duel will be held June 28,1997 on the Winooski River in Bolton, Vermont.     The Duel is open to all fly anglers.  A morning of fishing will be followed with an awards ceremony and a catered barbecue at Bolton Valley Resort where a bevy of door prizes – rods, tackle and guided trips – will be given away.    The premise behind the Duel is simple.  Anglers – two to a boat – float the Winooski from sunrise to noon.  Each flyfisher chooses their favorite two flies and only that pair of flies (one wet, one dry) may be used during the Duel.  Break off your dry on a 22-inch brown trout? Then you’ve still got the wet fly to use.  Snap off the wet on a submerged log? Well then your Dueling Days are done.  You will, however, be able to fish the rest of the morning for pleasure.      In addition to the door prizes, merchandise awards will be given away for the angler or team of anglers catching the most trout and the largest trout.  Money raised from the Duel’s entry fee of $150 per angler (there are corporate team spots available) will benefit Trout Unlimited’s conversation and restoration efforts on Vermont rivers.  A portion of the entry fee is tax deductible.    John Merwin, the well-known fly fishing author, will be one of the Duel’s guests of honor.      There is a limited number of entry slots available. For more     Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service – 800 805 6495     Vermont Outdoor Guide Association 800 425 TRIP     Fly Tiers’ Heaven 802 879 7304. Bring the family for a weekend of fun on the river and in the mountains and feel good contributing to this noteworthy conservation fundraiser.

GO WITH THE GOLD-RIBBED HARE’S EAR AND A BORCHER’S SPECIAL DRY FLY. You’ll win. Mr. G.

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 What wet fly catches the most fish?  What dry fly catches the most? In an attempt to settle that debate and raise money for Trout Unlimited conservation efforts in Vermont, the first-ever Green Mountain Dual Fly Duel will be held June 28,1997 on the Winooski River in Bolton, Vermont.     The Duel is open to all fly anglers.  A morning of fishing will be followed with an awards ceremony and a catered barbecue at Bolton Valley Resort where a bevy of door prizes – rods, tackle and guided trips – will be given away.    The premise behind the Duel is simple.  Anglers – two to a boat – float the Winooski from sunrise to noon.  Each flyfisher chooses their favorite two flies and only that pair of flies (one wet, one dry) may be used during the Duel.  Break off your dry on a 22-inch brown trout? Then you’ve still got the wet fly to use.  Snap off the wet on a submerged log? Well then your Dueling Days are done.  You will, however, be able to fish the rest of the morning for pleasure.      In addition to the door prizes, merchandise awards will be given away for the angler or team of anglers catching the most trout and the largest trout.  Money raised from the Duel’s entry fee of $150 per angler (there are corporate team spots available) will benefit Trout Unlimited’s conversation and restoration efforts on Vermont rivers.  A portion of the entry fee is tax deductible.    John Merwin, the well-known fly fishing author, will be one of the Duel’s guests of honor.      There is a limited number of entry slots available. For more     Uncle Jammer’s Guide Service – 800 805 6495     Vermont Outdoor Guide Association 800 425 TRIP     Fly Tiers’ Heaven 802 879 7304. Bring the family for a weekend of fun on the river and in the mountains and feel good contributing to this noteworthy conservation fundraiser.

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While I salute and support the cause for which this is being staged, I must ask why it’s being limited to only fly anglers?

‘Cuz it’s a bitch to cast a dry fly with a level-wind?

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Just a quick fact: In Colorado, this competition would be illegal… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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Just a quick fact: In Colorado, this competition would be illegal… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

Can you check the regulations there closely for me Tim, and apply your best legal and ethical judgement as to whether it might also be illegal for a fisher to count his fish and tell me his fish count?  I believe the de facto intention for counting fish is for competition purposes. Also check as to how many points one might be dinged against their license for each infraction. Mark Vinsel — http://www.lanminds.com/local/vinnie/gallery.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just a quick fact: In Colorado, this competition would be illegal… — TimW Halfordian Golfer Can you check the regulations there closely for me Tim, and apply your best legal and ethical judgement as to whether it might also be illegal for a fisher to count his fish and tell me his fish count?  I believe the de facto intention for counting fish is for competition purposes. Also check as to how many points one might be dinged against their license for each infraction.

I just reread the entire Colorado State pamphlet…probably the first time in 10 years.  Organized competition for any reason is expressly prohibited in all *rivers*.  You can hold one on a lake, but not a river.   Damned good thing too.  It’s hard enough to simply get a decent beat anymore, much less with some frikken one-fly- superman-contest going on… — TimW Halfordian Golfer

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Have you ever taken a guided float trip on the lower Sacramento river (near Redding, CA)? If so I’d like to heard about your experience. – Would you recommend your guide? – How good was your guide with beginners? – When is the best time to go? I’m thinking of taking my girlfriend on a float trip on the lower Sacramento as her first ff’ing trip.  I’ve already took her out casting and she seemed to really enjoy it.  I’d like to take her on a trip that’s comfortable (she doesn’t get wet), not too stressful (no wading around rough streams), where she doesn’t have to cast far, relatively nice senery, where she stand a very good chance of catching fish (but no fish ponds), relatively close to SF, not too expensive (no $1,000 Orvis fishing schools), where I can also enjoy the trip, and where she’ll learn from a professional (I’ve heard too many horror stories about teaching your SO to fly fish). How’s that for being specific … :^) Thanks, steve

Steve, I promised you a phone number for an excellent guide… (916) 243-5505  Mr. Steve Foster Hope you get an opportunity, good luck!! Bert

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Have you ever taken a guided float trip on the lower Sacramento river (near Redding, CA)? If so I’d like to heard about your experience. – Would you recommend your guide? – How good was your guide with beginners? – When is the best time to go? I’m thinking of taking my girlfriend on a float trip on the lower Sacramento as her first ff’ing trip.  I’ve already took her out casting and she seemed to really enjoy it.  I’d like to take her on a trip that’s comfortable (she doesn’t get wet), not too stressful (no wading around rough streams), where she doesn’t have to cast far, relatively nice senery, where she stand a very good chance of catching fish (but no fish ponds), relatively close to SF, not too expensive (no $1,000 Orvis fishing schools), where I can also enjoy the trip, and where she’ll learn from a professional (I’ve heard too many horror stories about teaching your SO to fly fish). How’s that for being specific … :^) Thanks, steve

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: Are you referring to the Grand Wagoneer? With the cheesy wood trim along : the doors? : In 1994 The Grand Cheroke models I’ve seen are the Laredo, Limited, and : another without a designation that has the V8, tow,  & gold package. : Where does this model fall amongst the other 2 models as far as features : and accessories?? : : : : NO NO, not the ugly things, the sleek "Cheroke" replacement that never replaced it! Anyway, there is another pakage, the Orvis Ed.  This comes with the V8, tow, gold, and special interior treatment that is reflective of the "Orvis" company (I am told that they are a big fly fishing company in New England).  Personaly, I think the Limited with the V8 is the ultimate pakage (my friend has 2, a ‘94 4.0 limited and an ‘95 V8 limited).                                 -Sean "Doc" Hollywood

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Are you referring to the Grand Wagoneer? With the cheesy wood trim along the doors? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In 1994 The Grand Cheroke models I’ve seen are the Laredo, Limited, and another without a designation that has the V8, tow,  & gold package. Where does this model fall amongst the other 2 models as far as features and accessories??

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I am planning to go to Mammoth in a few weeks.  Has anyone fished the San  Joaquin recently?  How about Upper Owens, Lake Crowley, Hot Creek, Twin Lakes, etc.   Any info. on fishing conditions, water levels, etc. would be greatly appreciated.                  /                                  John Woodling                 /                                   Sacramento, CA                /                   "The lure of fishing is that it is the pursuit of that which is elusive, yet attainable……an endless series of occasions for hope"

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Got mixed reports from people who fished at Mammoth a week ago.  Some said they were skunked (fly fishermen) and some (bait fisherman?) said they caught good sized fish in Lake George or Mary. We were south of Bishop at 9000-9800′ lakes (Shadow, Ediza) and my fly fishing hubbie didn’t catch anything.  Some of the lakes were frozen and thawing fast. Mosquitos were awful (probably still are).  Your best bet is to check with Mammoth (1) fly fishing shops and (2) fly fishing groups (FFF) when you get into Mammoth.  Info on them and lots of other good stuff is in the freebie publications available at local Chamber of Commerce and Ranger’s station. : I am planning to go to Mammoth in a few weeks.  Has anyone fished the San :  Joaquin recently?  How about Upper Owens, Lake Crowley, Hot Creek, Twin : Lakes, etc.   Any info. on fishing conditions, water levels, etc. would be : greatly : appreciated. :     :             :                  /                                  John Woodling :                 /                                   Sacramento, CA :                /                   : "The lure of fishing is that it is the pursuit of that which is elusive, : yet attainable……an endless series of occasions for hope"

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