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(shit, gotta teach these friggin’ yankees EVERYTHING!)

tell me about it. it’s been my personal burden for decades. your friend in the old north state wayno

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Where are these photo essays posted at? Tim Apple

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Where are these photo essays posted at? Tim Apple

Here’s the link to the page on Peter’s site…some nice water on display. http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/strmr-13.html Cheers, Bill

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Hmm…. Very nice, Peter. otoh, remind me never to take you to any of my favorite New Hampshire brookie ponds ‘lessen you leave your shootin’ iron at home!

and why not? :) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Speakin’ of brookie ponds, I hit two of the best on a sparkling White Mountain Fall day, one pond in the morning ’til lunch, the other after lunch ’til dark. Took three of my Winstons in the canoe, a 9/3 with a tiny white parachute midge on 7x, a 9/5 with a damselfly on 5x, and another 9/5 with a Type 6 uniform sinker tipped with a #10 Silverside. I was loaded for bear. The sky was blue, the sun was hot…and the wind was beginning to rise. Some nasty tropical weather is apparently coming up here to die and fighting that wind taxed the hell out of my trollin’ motor battery, not to mention making dry fly fishing more challenging at times. But I was determined to fish the three weight at least once this year so I set out, working along the windward bank, and had a ball. A 14" cold water brookie on this rod feels like a monster and before the first lap of the pond I was lucky enough to catch a couple of biguns to go with as many shorts. Kept working a dry fly along the shore line on a second lap catching the odd fish, ’til the rising wind pushed me into the clutches of The Dark Side and I took to trolling the deep middle with the supersinker. In short order – three passes over the really deep spot in the pond – I had caught a matched pair of slabby females and one precocious male short that was colored up like he meant business *this* year…

Did you set up the canoe of the windward side of the lake and let the wind blow you across? Years ago, I watched a TV spot with two guys in Quebec in a wooden boat that was a cross between a canoe and a row boat. There was a wicker chair at each end and the guys were stretched out, fly rods over the side, letting the wind push them across. Looked mighty peaceful way to fish. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Right about noon, feeling nicely toasted by rays, wind, and whatever, I pulled out and headed over to my first favorite little brookie pond and had lunch while the battery charged up. The wind had risen well beyond the 3 weight so I was down to the dry and wet fives. All afternoon I was looking for that "just barely legal" fish to boink and consume In The Name Of Tim. I fished the hell out of that pond with dry fly and streamer until near dark battling wind and white caps and wishing I had a dagger board clamped up alongside the bow. I did catch a half dozen fish before dark, but all were either undersized or honestly just too big – this close to spawning season I just can’t whack a big ol’ cow brookie or her old man (that’s *my* principle and I won’t be moved by some confused BassMaster wannabee out in Colorado . Still, felt like fish for dinner, so at dark as I drove back to my cabin I threw a reach cast into the little grocery in beautiful downtown Franconia and pulled out some Kipper snacks, smoked oysters, real cheddar cheese, and some gnarly bread that the local hippy bakery up here supplies to the store. And some *excellent* Tuckerman Pale Ale, brewed by Kirsten and Nik at Tuckerman Brewing Company in Conway. www.tuckermanbrewing.com Just one of the *many* New England brews that would kick that pommy Sleeman’s ass back to Saskatoon

ya right, take twenty of those yankee cabbage water brews to measure up to one Sleemans and it’s Guelph, not Saskatoon and the original Mr. Sleemans was probably a kraut, not a pommy (shit, gotta teach these friggin’ yankees EVERYTHING!) Hoping to meet up with Dave "Flyfish" Bottom in the morning on the Magalloway. It looks pretty grim on weather.com… /daytripper ("Mmmmmm….Kipper snacks!"

Haven’t had kippers since I was a kid – keep this up and you might get a surprise guest one day and you might be able to twist my arm enough for me to drink some of that cabbage water. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Bob Patton’s and Bill Mason’s photos are now up. Yet to come: Meramec – Bob Patton Whitemans Creek, ON Spring Creek, PA Penns Creek, PA Credit River, ON Rapid River, ME Bronte Creek, ON Saugeen River, ON AuSable, NY 18 Mile Creek, NY or until I run out of space on the server. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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forgot the URL http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/strmr-13.html Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Bob Patton’s and Bill Mason’s photos are now up.

Thank you again, Peter. Looking through the essay photos, I’m reminded that it’s really the little out-of-the-way waters I enjoy the most. The big, famous rivers offer their own unique experience, but I find that a day spent with a friend on an uncrowded stream really captures the essence of the sport for me. I’m looking forward to more pictures, but make sure that you leave yourself some time for fishing! Cheers, Bill —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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//snip// Thank you again, Peter. Looking through the essay photos, I’m reminded that it’s really the little out-of-the-way waters I enjoy the most. The big, famous rivers offer their own unique experience, but I find that a day spent with a friend on an uncrowded stream really captures the essence of the sport for me. I’m looking forward to more pictures, but make sure that you leave yourself some time for fishing! Cheers, Bill

I’ll second Bill’s comments. Thanks, Charles. Now, where the hell is Frenchman’s creek? Gotta go there soon! Bob

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – //snip// Thank you again, Peter. Looking through the essay photos, I’m reminded that it’s really the little out-of-the-way waters I enjoy the most. The big, famous rivers offer their own unique experience, but I find that a day spent with a friend on an uncrowded stream really captures the essence of the sport for me. I’m looking forward to more pictures, but make sure that you leave yourself some time for fishing! Cheers, Bill I’ll second Bill’s comments. Thanks, Charles. Now, where the hell is Frenchman’s creek? Gotta go there soon! Bob

Hmm…. Very nice, Peter. otoh, remind me never to take you to any of my favorite New Hampshire brookie ponds ‘lessen you leave your shootin’ iron at home! Speakin’ of brookie ponds, I hit two of the best on a sparkling White Mountain Fall day, one pond in the morning ’til lunch, the other after lunch ’til dark. Took three of my Winstons in the canoe, a 9/3 with a tiny white parachute midge on 7x, a 9/5 with a damselfly on 5x, and another 9/5 with a Type 6 uniform sinker tipped with a #10 Silverside. I was loaded for bear. The sky was blue, the sun was hot…and the wind was beginning to rise. Some nasty tropical weather is apparently coming up here to die and fighting that wind taxed the hell out of my trollin’ motor battery, not to mention making dry fly fishing more challenging at times. But I was determined to fish the three weight at least once this year so I set out, working along the windward bank, and had a ball. A 14" cold water brookie on this rod feels like a monster and before the first lap of the pond I was lucky enough to catch a couple of biguns to go with as many shorts. Kept working a dry fly along the shore line on a second lap catching the odd fish, ’til the rising wind pushed me into the clutches of The Dark Side and I took to trolling the deep middle with the supersinker. In short order – three passes over the really deep spot in the pond – I had caught a matched pair of slabby females and one precocious male short that was colored up like he meant business *this* year… Right about noon, feeling nicely toasted by rays, wind, and whatever, I pulled out and headed over to my first favorite little brookie pond and had lunch while the battery charged up. The wind had risen well beyond the 3 weight so I was down to the dry and wet fives. All afternoon I was looking for that "just barely legal" fish to boink and consume In The Name Of Tim. I fished the hell out of that pond with dry fly and streamer until near dark battling wind and white caps and wishing I had a dagger board clamped up alongside the bow. I did catch a half dozen fish before dark, but all were either undersized or honestly just too big – this close to spawning season I just can’t whack a big ol’ cow brookie or her old man (that’s *my* principle and I won’t be moved by some confused BassMaster wannabee out in Colorado . Still, felt like fish for dinner, so at dark as I drove back to my cabin I threw a reach cast into the little grocery in beautiful downtown Franconia and pulled out some Kipper snacks, smoked oysters, real cheddar cheese, and some gnarly bread that the local hippy bakery up here supplies to the store. And some *excellent* Tuckerman Pale Ale, brewed by Kirsten and Nik at Tuckerman Brewing Company in Conway. www.tuckermanbrewing.com Just one of the *many* New England brews that would kick that pommy Sleeman’s ass back to Saskatoon Hoping to meet up with Dave "Flyfish" Bottom in the morning on the Magalloway. It looks pretty grim on weather.com… /daytripper ("Mmmmmm….Kipper snacks!"

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Paul, I would check out the site run by a decent guy named Matt. He lives not too far away in Rome I believe. He is familiar with the Utica/Rome areas (about an hour away) and he can turn you on to some other spots in your area. If you head up 87, you will find all sorts of small creeks and streams. They used to be awesome for brookies, but I haven’t fished there in years. His site is: http://www.centralnewyorker.com/CNYflyfisherman.htm Give him a try. Gordon Burr The worst day on the water beats the best day in the office. Gordo

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Hi, I have been an avid fisher person for many years. Have recently taken up fly fishing – after moving to the Albany New York area. Any tips for the area, fishing spots (fly fishing or otherwise) fishing partners (I’ll buy the beer or lunch) haven’t made any new friends here yet. would be greatly appreciated Thanks in advance Paul P

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Hi, I have been an avid fisher person for many years. Have recently taken up fly fishing – after moving to the Albany New York area. Any tips for the area, fishing spots (fly fishing or otherwise) fishing partners (I’ll buy the beer or lunch) haven’t made any new friends here yet. would be greatly appreciated

Do make the trip up to the Adirondacks – Saranac, Ausable area – if you get the chance. I’d love to head up there with ya, but it’s not in the cards this year

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Hi, I have been an avid fisher person for many years. Have recently taken up fly fishing – after moving to the Albany New York area. Any tips for the area, fishing spots (fly fishing or otherwise) fishing partners (I’ll buy the beer or lunch) haven’t made any new friends here yet. would be greatly appreciated Thanks in advance Paul P

Funny, I just left after 10 years. Depending where you live, there are a host of nearby opportunities. My personal favorite was either the Mohawk or the Junction of the Hudson and Hoosac for smallies on the fly. The Mohawk has lots of areas to fish- easily accessible are all the locks (that goes for the Hudson, too). From shore good areas are either end of the Crescent Bridge, the flight locks, Lock 7 in Niskayuna and the other side of Lock 7 accessible from Ferry Rd nature path in Clifton Park, just west of Vischer’s Ferry Road. For the jct of the Hoosac and Hudson get to Stillwater and go across the bridge over the Hudson, turn right into the road for the Lock Park. Park in the lot and take the footpath south from the parking area to the Hoosac. I mostly used white grub bodies and spinners on the Hoosac. It’s very interesting place with a lot of fish but water levels change, sometimes dramatically, dependent upon releases through the dam at Schagticoke, upriver. It is wild in Summer when water levels are down and fish congregate in the narrow rushing channels cut through the rock. Believe me the Albany are is fantastic for water to fish. Start asking around here or local tackle shops. Add the Adirondacks and Vermont to all the water in the Albany area and you are in paradise. I loved it so much I bought the lifetime license from NY state which is good even if you are no longer a NY resident. Tight lines and watch your footing! Cow

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I was out on the river last night, up at the dam. nothing there yet, give it a week and maybe!! Vern

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m sure that you’re aware that there is a heck of a lot of stream fishing in the area. But sometime between now and mid-May or so is supposed to be a good time to fish for shad and striped bass. You may want to look into shore access at Green Island, below the dam at Troy. I can’t give you any first-hand information: I was in the area last year and researched it a bit, but then wasn’t able to get to it.

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I second that. Shawn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying? It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it. Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Thanks old buddy!! I am sure I will hear something from her now! <grin She has actually suggested an alternative since I last posted… she said maybe he could fly. Because of his health condition and the likelihood that something could happen while on the road in the middle of "no where" she prefer him not be on the road with me for two days. If something, God Forbid, were to happen and we were on the road and as an example… three hours from the nearest hospital capable of treating him, it would be very tragic to say the least. So I have to give that to her. It only makes sense that we not risk it. So… I’m working on the flying for him. Keep the pressure coming… I’ll let you know what she has to say. I have serious doubts that he will be able to make it at this point but I need to talk to Huber and find out what medical facilities are around there. Personally… I think she’s overprotective, but what mother isn’t. <grin Thanks again.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying? It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it. Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Tell us Vern, is he wearing a one piece or a bikini ???? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Steve, Do you know… you’re a legend in my kids’ mind for some reason. I just talked to Norma about he and flying up there. She said, "tell me about this tourney" I told her about you and this group, etc. She said… "Is that the guy that Forrest has on his PC’s wallpaper?" Somehow you’ve made the impression old buddy! I guess cause he knows you are the dude hosting the tourney. hehe I just thought you would like to know. I thought it was cute that he’s so taken with his buddy "Steve" that he would put your photo on his desktop wallpaper!! … Vern … What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!" :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real. I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer. I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on. I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah. He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member. If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later. He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet. More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Thanks!!! Now that I know who she is… I wish I didn’t!!! Makes me sick to my ____ing stomach!!! Here I fight everyday for a child’s life and she… I have no words for it.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forget about her… Forgive my stupidity… who is Andrea Yates? Andrea Yates for one. — Consider Him snip | Personally… I think she’s | overprotective, but what mother isn’t. <grin | | Thanks again. |

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Steve, Do you know… you’re a legend in my kids’ mind for some reason. I just talked to Norma about he and flying up there. She said, "tell me about this tourney" I told her about you and this group, etc. She said… "Is that the guy that Forrest has on his PC’s wallpaper?" Somehow you’ve made the impression old buddy! I guess cause he knows you are the dude hosting the tourney. hehe I just thought you would like to know. I thought it was cute that he’s so taken with his buddy "Steve" that he would put your photo on his desktop wallpaper!! … Vern …

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!" :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real. I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer. I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on. I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah. He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member. If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later. He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet. More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Your suggestion to BassPro is a good one… take a duffle bag or something with essentials. My ex-mother-in-law once took a flight… packed all her insulin and Delta (notice it wasn’t Continental!) lost her bags!! We had to find a 24hour pharmacy, call her doctor back home and all that jazz. Made our trip absolutely miserable! Just curious… who do you work for?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin. Generally, you should have no problem with that number of bags. Suggest you take a duffle bag with a change of undies and toothbrush, any medication, or important stuff you don’t want lost, etc. for a carry-on, in case your luggage gets misplaced, or weather and/or maintenance delays keep you stuck someplace. Serious. I WORK for an airline, and I always carry a backpack with the above type stuff in it when I non-rev. travel. Learned the hard way…. B3– Robert E. Longshore

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Hey Charles, Flying is way cool! Jumping out of planes is even cooler!! <grin I grew up around the airlines so I would almost always rather fly than drive anywhere that’s more than three hours from home. Unfortunately it doesn’t always work out that way, but nonetheless I just went over one and a half million air miles this past March. If it won’t get me in trouble I’ll see what I can arrange for your first ticket. Just don’t tell anyone. <grin Here are some baggage guidelines from MY FAVORITE AIRLINE… Continental (you figure out why they are my favorite <grin). I hope you find them helpful. … Vern … CARRY-ON BAGGAGE – ALLOWANCES Baggage that is carried on board must easily fit within the sizing boxes (L x W x H dimensions 22" x 14" x 9" or 56 cm x 36 cm x 23 cm) which are located at Continental’s ticket counters and departure gates. The maximum combined weight of all carry-on baggage is 40 lbs (18 kg). The maximum combined linear measurement (L + W + H) of all carry-on baggage is 45 inches (114 cm). In addition to the maximum carry-on baggage allowance the following articles may be carried on board the aircraft: One briefcase One handbag One small personal computer (notebook style), camera or walkman/disc player Personal aid devices, such as crutches or cane Additional carry-on Baggage restrictions may apply on certain flights. CHECKED BAGGAGE – ALLOWANCES Travel Within the U.S.A., including Alaska and Hawaii Maximum number of 3 checked pieces per ticketed customer that adhere to the following size (measured in linear inches or centimeters, total length + width + height) and weight dimensions: 1st bag not to exceed 70 lbs (31 kg) or 62 linear inches (157 cm) 2nd bag not to exceed 70 lbs (31 kg) or 55 linear inches (140 cm) 3rd bag not to exceed 70 lbs (31 kg) 45 linear inches (114 cm) A BusinessFirst customer may check a fourth piece of baggage not to exceed 70 pounds (31 kilograms) or 45 linear inches (114 cm). Boxes are accepted on a voluntary separation and limited liability basis only. Boxes travel "standby". All oversize or overweight baggage, all boxes and any extra pieces are carried on a space available basis, and may not arrive at customer’s destination for up to five days. Excess baggage is accepted on limited release. CABIN-SEAT BAGGAGE Continental Airlines will allow a customer to purchase a ticket for an item, approved by a Continental agent, which is too fragile or bulky to be handled as checked baggage. The following restrictions apply: Must not exceed 165 lbs (75 kg). Must be packaged or covered in a manner to avoid injury to other customers. Must be secured in a seat adjacent to the owner. Must be properly secured by a seat belt to avoid shifting during flight. Must not restrict access to, or use of, any regular or emergency exit or aisle of the cabin. Must not obscure any customer’s view of "seat belt," "no smoking" or "exit" signage. Must not contain dangerous goods. Must be reserved in advance and applicable charges paid. Please check with a Continental agent for pricing information. EXCESS BAGGAGE All charges are calculated on a one-way basis and are collected at the airport ticket counter. Additional Baggage Checked baggage in excess of the free baggage allowance will be charged as follows: $75 per piece for the first three additional pieces $100 per piece for the fourth, fifth, and sixth additional pieces $175 per piece for the seventh and any additional pieces Overweight Baggage Checked baggage exceeding 70 lbs/32 kgs will be charged at the rate of $75 per piece. These charges are in addition to any charge assessed for additional or oversized baggage. Baggage weighing more than 100 lbs/45 kgs will not be accepted as checked baggage. It may be shipped as air cargo. Please contact Continental Cargo for more details. Oversized Baggage Checked baggage which is larger than Continental’s stated size limits will be charged at the rate of $75 per piece. These charges are in addition to any charge assessed for additional or overweight baggage. Baggage measuring more than 80 in/203 cm (total outside dimensions; length + width + height) will not be accepted as checked baggage. It may be shipped as air cargo. Please contact Continental Cargo for more details. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin.

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All right Gill ! Now you are beginning to make me have second thoughts about flying. I’m not much for the scenic route, and kinda prefer the security of the interstates when I get mis-placed somewhere in Oregon.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( Hello Guys, If I can make it, I won’t go without my boat for sure. I hope there are no Zebra Muscles. 1,800 miles, sleeping in my moutaineer campershell mounted on the back of my 2001 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins Deisel, showers at truckstops, lots of cold sandwitches and plenty of java. I figure around three days of driving would do it. If I can go I’ll have to plan a scenic route for the return trip. My wife already says no to letting the boys go but we can pretty forgetfull when the time comes. "I’m sure they will always remember a trip like that" Gil

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Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-(

Hello Guys, If I can make it, I won’t go without my boat for sure. I hope there are no Zebra Muscles. 1,800 miles, sleeping in my mountaineer campershell mounted on the back of my 2001 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins Deisel, showers at truckstops, lots of cold sandwitches and plenty of java. I figure around three days of driving would do it. If I can go I’ll have to plan a scenic route for the return trip. My wife already says no to letting the boys go but we can pretty forgetfull when the time comes. "I’m sure they will always remember a trip like that" Gil

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I’ll take a rental, as long as they’re not ProCrafts!

Why’s that Warren? Are you worried that after fishing in a ProCraft, you won’t be happy with what you’ve got? Besides, if you draw me in the tourney, you’ll HAVE to…. :) — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-(

Hello Guys, If I can make it, I won’t go without my boat for sure. I hope there are no Zebra Muscles. 1,800 miles, sleeping in my moutaineer campershell mounted on the back of my 2001 3/4 ton Dodge Cummins Deisel, showers at truckstops, lots of cold sandwitches and plenty of java. I figure around three days of driving would do it. If I can go I’ll have to plan a scenic route for the return trip. My wife already says no to letting the boys go but we can pretty forgetfull when the time comes. "I’m sure they will always remember a trip like that" Gil

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Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin.

Generally, you should have no problem with that number of bags. Suggest you take a duffle bag with a change of undies and toothbrush, any medication, or important stuff you don’t want lost, etc. for a carry-on, in case your luggage gets misplaced, or weather and/or maintenance delays keep you stuck someplace. Serious. I WORK for an airline, and I always carry a backpack with the above type stuff in it when I non-rev. travel. Learned the hard way…. B3– Robert E. Longshore

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I’ll take a rental, as long as they’re not ProCrafts! Warren2;-)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!" :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real. I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer. I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on. I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah. He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member. If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later. He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet. More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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Clap, Clap, Clap !!!! Another extra step taken by you Steve, and I applaud you. This was a great job on your part. Thank you . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!" :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real. I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer. I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on. I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah. He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member. If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later. He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet. More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest?

First of all, "C’MON MOM, LET FORREST COME AND PLAY!!!" :) Now, the possibility of a rental boat is very real. I talked to the new owner of TrackSide Marine, my local ProCraft/Fisher dealer. I told him about you guys, the tournament and so on. I explained what would be needed for a rental boat, not just a 15 hp outboard on a 14 foot rowboat, that we needed trolling motors, locators, blah, blah, blah. He’s got a couple of used, trade-in boats that he said he’d rent to any tournament member. If he didn’t have any appropriate used boats, then he’d take a couple of the Fisher boats and rent them, then sell them as demo’s later. He just hasn’t figured out a rental fee yet. More about this will be coming. — Homepage of the ROFB Northwoods Classic http://www.uglybass.com/rofbmp

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That’s VERY doable I would suspect. Didn’t even think of that possibility

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? Thanks old buddy!! I am sure I will hear something from her now! <grin She has actually suggested an alternative since I last posted… she said maybe he could fly. Because of his health condition and the likelihood that something could happen while on the road in the middle of "no where" she prefer him not be on the road with me for two days. If something, God Forbid, were to happen and we were on the road and as an example… three hours from the nearest hospital capable of treating him, it would be very tragic to say the least. So I have to give that to her. It only makes sense that we not risk it. So… I’m working on the flying for him. Keep the pressure coming… I’ll let you know what she has to say. I have serious doubts that he will be able to make it at this point but I need to talk to Huber and find out what medical facilities are around there. Personally… I think she’s overprotective, but what mother isn’t. <grin Thanks again. I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying? It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it. Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248 — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Andrea Yates for one. — Consider Him

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Forgive my stupidity… who is Andrea Yates?

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Forget about her…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forgive my stupidity… who is Andrea Yates? Andrea Yates for one. — Consider Him snip | Personally… I think she’s | overprotective, but what mother isn’t. <grin | | Thanks again. |

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What’s the possiblity of both of you flying in together, and maybe Huber or Dan Duckworth could find a boat that you could rent for you and Forrest? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks old buddy!! I am sure I will hear something from her now! <grin She has actually suggested an alternative since I last posted… she said maybe he could fly. Because of his health condition and the likelihood that something could happen while on the road in the middle of "no where" she prefer him not be on the road with me for two days. If something, God Forbid, were to happen and we were on the road and as an example… three hours from the nearest hospital capable of treating him, it would be very tragic to say the least. So I have to give that to her. It only makes sense that we not risk it. So… I’m working on the flying for him. Keep the pressure coming… I’ll let you know what she has to say. I have serious doubts that he will be able to make it at this point but I need to talk to Huber and find out what medical facilities are around there. Personally… I think she’s overprotective, but what mother isn’t. <grin Thanks again. I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. You’re flying? It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it. Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/ — Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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I think we should all let Norma know how we feel about Forrest making it to the NWC. Myself, I think it would be a once-in-a-lifetime event for a youngster to mingle with an older generation that would only have his interest at heart and spoil the H*** out of him. At the Open tournaments that my club promotes, whenever we have a young man join his father as a fishing partner, (as young as 7yrs.old), everyone in the crowd makes sure that this young man wants for nothing. The club makes sure that he walks away with more stuff in grab bags than he can hardly carry. So Norma, if you’re reading this with Forrest, please reconsider and let us enjoy our time with him, and maybe give us a memories that we didn’t get to share with our kids when they were his age. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You’re flying? It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it. Let me know. Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Sure wish that I was closer, Charles, we’d be hittin’ them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sounds good to me! Sorry to hear that Forrest can’t make it, must be school conflicts I’m sure. Are you nearby Wisconsin? After doing the math, I’ve decided that flying there would be cheaper than two days of driving and renting a motel room somewhere in between. Then you can taking in account all of the stops that I’ll be making for food…WOW! Sure, a person has to eat, but being on the road that long without my computer, what else would I be thinking about. hehe… Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin. Guess I’ll have to do come research on this, but all of this work that’s been piled on me this week is slowing my "fun time" planning down a bit. I am going to say the *heck with it* on thursday night, and go try to catch that millioin dollar fish that’s been placed in the Priest!!! Kris, you joining me? You’re flying? It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it. Let me know.

– Jerry Barton http://members.home.net/jbarton248

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Sounds good to me! Sorry to hear that Forrest can’t make it, must be school conflicts I’m sure. Are you nearby Wisconsin? After doing the math, I’ve decided that flying there would be cheaper than two days of driving and renting a motel room somewhere in between. Then you can taking in account all of the stops that I’ll be making for food…WOW! Sure, a person has to eat, but being on the road that long without my computer, what else would I be thinking about. hehe… Hey! I have never flown before either, so even though this may be off-topic, I’m hoping that some of you experienced flyers can answer this for me… Is there a limit on how much luggage a person can bring? I’m only talking about a couple of rod carriers, a couple of boxes for the rest of my gear, and a couple of bags for clothing. Really… I have no idea how to even begin. Guess I’ll have to do come research on this, but all of this work that’s been piled on me this week is slowing my "fun time" planning down a bit. I am going to say the *heck with it* on thursday night, and go try to catch that millioin dollar fish that’s been placed in the Priest!!! Kris, you joining me?

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Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/

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You’re flying? It doesn’t look like Forrest is going to be able to make the tourney afterall… you know how ex-wifes are (are you reading this So… would you like to take the back seat in my boat for this one? Heck… you could even have the front seat if you wanted it. Let me know.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok… What I am needing is either driving info, or flying info getting to the NWC. I’m favoring flying because it’s cheaper and less travel time. But… Where do I fly to? Also, I don’t have the web-site for it and was wondering where everyone was staying? I think Steve had a motel on alert or something. Info… Info… Info… needed. If I don’t start planning now…. I’ll go crazier by September! :-( — http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/thebasspro/themmightybass/

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I live in Upstate New York and would like to know what type of fly to use to catch Trout this time of year.Thank you. D. G. Take Care!

I’ve been getting them on small bucktail streamers #12 4XL Little brown trout and mickey finn and a small peacock nymph in sizes 12 and 14. This nymph is just black goose biot tails, peacock hurl body and thorax, two sets of biot legs and starling feather fibers pulled over for a wing case. For what it’s worth. Good Fishing, Chris Segina

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I live in Upstate New York and would like to know what type of fly to use to catch Trout this time of year.Thank you. D. G. Take Care!

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First of all, don’t use the terms *hook* & *worm* and flyfishin’ in the same post. There’s a great little book which covers novice info, put out by, "Trailside Adventure," titled Flyfishing. You may be familiar with the PBS series. The book covers knots, casting, types of flyfishin’, flys, ect… Orvis also has a great beginners book, don’t recall the name presently. Should be on their web site! Hang around and much advice will likely follow. I’d offer to help, but I don’t fish so good, so my advice is limited to books. Op

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing I got a real nice rod and reel for a present but i’m not sure how put together the leader and the line and make it work. Can somebody help me out here? I love catching those little brookies but I have only done it on a hook and worm. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot , i just havent done a whole lot of fly fishing. Thanks for your time, Darrin

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I love catching those little brookies but I have only done it on a hook and worm. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot , …

If catching is what you love, worms are the way to go. You’ll catch far more brookies with worms than with any other method save dynamite or rotenone. For flyfishing we generally recommend _The Curtis Creek Manifesto_ by Sheridan Anderson, Frank Amato Pubns; ISBN: 0936608064 Some think there’s more to flyfishing than catching, YMMV. Good luck. — Ken Fortenberry

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Orvis also has a great beginners book, don’t recall the name presently. Should be on their web site!

Also here http://www.crosswinds.net/~brbg/books/brbg-gen-ff.html. This book is by Tom Rosenbauer, who wrote a couple other books I know of "Reading Troutstreams" and "Prospecting for Trout". He’s a good writer and after you check out a basic book, you might want to look at one of these 2 next. Regards, Jeff

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If catching is what you love, worms are the way to go. You’ll catch far more brookies with worms than with any other method save dynamite or rotenone. Some think there’s more to flyfishing than catching, YMMV. Ken Fortenberry

Ahmen Brother!!! Wayne & Dianna enjoying the flyfishing. To fish is human….To release Divine! Before you buy.

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Some think there’s more to flyfishing than catching, YMMV.

Sometimes hiking is a pain I gotta go through to get to the fish, but then there are the times where I feel like carrying my fly rod is just good excuse for hiking up some beautiful paths and streams. Regards, Jeff

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Can somebody help me out here?

You have received some good advice here. IMHO, once you have a good book and an idea of what the sport is about, seek out a flyfishing club and ask for their help getting started. In all likelihood someone will mentor you and explain the things that books and pictures can’t. If there are no clubs nearby, approach people you meet on the stream and ask questions. If you approach them in the same manner you entered ROFF, I’m sure they will help. Keep posting your questions here as well, and keep us informed as to your progress. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Marge, I believe it is proper to identify yourself as an agent of the "suggested" business you are providing a link to. I’m surprised you just don’t use your normal isp address instead of an anonymous one. Just a friendly suggestion. Have a nice day, Walt ezflyfish.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is a pretty good place to start. http://www.bluequillangler.com/learning_flyfishing.html Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing Before you buy.

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Here is a pretty good place to start. http://www.bluequillangler.com/learning_flyfishing.html Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing

Before you buy.

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www.troutfishing.co.za & click on lessons. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing I got a real nice rod and reel for a present but i’m not sure how put together the leader and the line and make it work. Can somebody help me out here? I love catching those little brookies but I have only done it on a hook and worm. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot , i just havent done a whole lot of fly fishing. Thanks for your time, Darrin

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Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing I got a real nice rod and reel for a present but i’m not sure how put together the leader and the line and make it work. Can somebody help me out here? I love catching those little brookies but I have only done it on a hook and worm. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot , i just havent done a whole lot of fly fishing. Thanks for your time, Darrin

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I got a real nice rod and reel

At least you didn’t call it a pole. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot

Good! Sometimes that helps. :-) http://www.virtualflyshop.com/ Has a ton of good information, from basic to advanced. — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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Good luck in a fun new "sport." hit a local library and search fir fly fishing.. hell, if i learned how that way, you can too. see if you can find some poor sucker around where you live to help you out.. and , get a bunch of flies, go to a stream, and practice. you will need a bunc of flies cause you can expect to lose many of them your first time out. that will end, dont panic. edwin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing I got a real nice rod and reel for a present but i’m not sure how put together the leader and the line and make it work. Can somebody help me out here? I love catching those little brookies but I have only done it on a hook and worm. I’m not a COMPLETE idiot , i just havent done a whole lot of fly fishing. Thanks for your time, Darrin

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Can someone lead me to an informative source where i can learn the fundamentals of Fly Fishing

Darrin, You are going to need some supplies to get started. I would take what you have and head to the nearest flyshop. Tell them what is going on and they will most likely show you have to put the line together and attach a leader, tippet, ect. Buy some stuff to let them know you are serious. Maybe a flybox and some flies, tippet, ect. Be ready to spend about $100 (I know I have a hard time leaving without spending at least $50 and that is being conservative). Ask about classes they offer. Most shops offer beginner courses in casting, ect. Some shops can be really helpful in getting a beginner started. Not only will they obviously sell you what you need, but will give you enough advice to keep you coming back to spend more money. Make a few friends with some people who fly fish as well. It helps having someone around you can get some free advice from. Books and stuff are okay, but you cannot beat personal instruction, especially when it is free. There are a lot of good websites out there with info on knots, ect. Check them out and practice what you learn. Practice casting on your lawn or at a park. Sounds stupid, but lawn fishing can save you some frustration out on the water. HTH. Warren X#-[

Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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Does anyone have info re: the upcoming fly expo in Lisle. I know that it’s sponsored by the Dupage River Fly Tyers (DRIFT) but am wondering if there will be industry vendors present. Or, is it a clinic featuring DRIFT members? Thanks, Dave Before you buy.

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All I know is that its at the Hyatt on Jan 15th. I’m going because there isn’t anything for flyfishermen at the Rosemont fishing show.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have info re: the upcoming fly expo in Lisle. I know that it’s sponsored by the Dupage River Fly Tyers (DRIFT) but am wondering if there will be industry vendors present. Or, is it a clinic featuring DRIFT members? Thanks, Dave Before you buy.

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I heard from two people that last year’s show at Oak Brook was a huge flop. I’m not sure if the Lisle show is replacing the Oak Brook show.

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Here’s the url: http://www.steelheadsite.com/mwff_expo.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All I know is that its at the Hyatt on Jan 15th. I’m going because there isn’t anything for flyfishermen at the Rosemont fishing show. Is that the show that they usually have in Oak Brook? Joel Axelrad

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All I know is that its at the Hyatt on Jan 15th. I’m going because there isn’t anything for flyfishermen at the Rosemont fishing show.

Is that the show that they usually have in Oak Brook? Joel Axelrad

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George: <<Doug Knight was just given a laboratory test and demonstration of CDC Emergers (his choice of flies to test) in the film, without and WITH Gehrke’s Gink. I cannot begin to express to all of you, LaCourse in particular and Mike Connor, how wrong you both are regarding CDC tied flies and Gink. I have pictures of his CDC Emergers on the bottom, lifeless and floatless without Gehrke’s Gink and the singular Dressed CDC GINK assisted CDC Emerger, the only fly ABLE TO float ON TOP of the water.

And how do we know they were truly CDC? I have true CDC. I use it on emerger patterns. I tied up two and did the test with and without Gink. Both flied floated as I expected them to. But the Ginked fly did not, I repeat, DID NOT capture air bubbles, while the untreated fly DID. That is the whole reason for usinging CDC, George. CDC as a dry fly makes no sense because other materials make better more durable wings. But you can not beat CDC as an ermerger pattern *if you want to capture air bubbles*. CDC does that just fine because of its "bottle brush" barbuls. Reread what Leeson and Schollmeyer say about it. It is not a mystery, George. Gink or any other floatant *including preening oil* messes up the barbuls and makes the CDC feather *just an ordinary feather*. And why would I go through the expense and bother of tying an emerger pattern that traps air when I could use marabou. CDC captures air bubbles. CDC treated with Gink or any floatant does not. Period. Dave LaCourse

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[filled the virtual circular file with plenty o' snippage] However! REMEMBER THIS DAVID, there is nothing a CDC feather doesn’t do that GINKED, it will do better.

I’ve read this at least three times…Can’t understand it – nor why I’d want to remember it. I think it hurt my brain, though. Perhaps permanently… Think of it like this David. A BARE HOOK with just two cdc feathers will float on still water, but so will a bare hook dressed only with Gink.

Now here was a bold statement that I could sink my thoughts into. And – BONUS! – it didn’t hurt my brain. Thus rising to the challenge, I ventured forth down the hall to the world reknown Daytripper Laboratory (second door on the right), intent on conducting a rigorous scientific test of the above theory. I vowed not to leave the lab until the required experiments were completed. After donning a pair of latex gloves to avoid any chance of contamination of the test and control subjects, I gathered ten brand new Mustad #8 3906B hooks together, mixed them well, then randomly (I even closed my eyes) separated them into two groups of five hooks. I then randomly selected one of the groups (using the precise "Eeeny Meeny Miney Moe" procedure) to become the test subject group, and then carefully slathered each hook from the selected group with GINK, from eye to point. The other group of five hooks became the Control Group. The GINK was obtained from the bottom of a bottle which had spontaneously expelled most of its contents all over my fishing vest – adding character (and a huge greasy stain) to said vest – the discovery of which led to "The Bottle Formerly Filled With GINK" to immediately experience the joy of flight. Alternating between members of the two groups, I then took each hook carefully in the grip of a pair of fine surgical steel hemostats (borrowed from the same fishing vest). I then set each hook (singly, in turn) on the surface film of a beaker of H2O chilled to precisely 62 degrees Fahrenheit (which we all know to be the exact temperature conducive to both dry fly fishing for salmonids and for wet wading). I then observed the results of the experiment: all five GINK-ladened hooks from the group of test subjects and all five naked unGINKed hooks from the control group all sank like so many small stones to the bottom of the beaker. Conclusion: GINK won’t keep a #8 3906B hook afloat on the surface of water, thus proving that the claim is not global in nature. Please send $1000 to me, George, to reimburse the extensive cost of conducting this experiment, and of operating the world reknown Daytripper Laboratory. I’ll put the funds to very good use, I promise (the world reknown Daytripper Laboratory could use a new exhaust fan, an upgraded toilet seat, and a new towel rack. Oh – and an actual working lock on the laboratory door – so that when I’m reading the newspaper with my morning coffee searching for a new theory to test, I won’t be interrupted…) /daytripper

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Dave, and others, I have an agenda.. it has to do with pictures of people "greasing up" CDC feathers… sounds vaguely.. how can i say this.. erotic? perhaps you can post to rec.outdoors.erotica.fishing.fly ?? please? Of course, I may be misreading your post… cheers from a perv, edwin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bottom line, George: Gink works for *most applications* but not on CDC. I will take the word of Leeson and Schollmeyer and every fly shop owner I have ever talked to concerning "greasing" up a CDC long before I take your word on the subject. You have an agenda; they do not. Dave LaCourse

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – CDC flies are deadly effective: they catch trout! When they do, they get slimed and they lose their floating properties. The following works for me: 1) Squeeze rinse the fly in the stream to get rid of as much trout slime, dirt, etc. as possible. 2) Dry the fly on shirt or handkerchief (some swine nicked my amadou). 3) Lightly Gink the CDC. 4) Wipe off surplus on trousers. 5) Roll the fly around in the palm of hand in a small pile of powder fly dessicant (cheap stuff, nothing fancy) to remove almost all of the Gink and to unclog and ‘fluff up’ the CDC. It works for me. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

Hi Tony, actually just washing and drying it thoroughly without applying anything will work as well. I have been experimenting for quite a while with various things, and I have had the best results up to now using a product called Watershed applied some time before fishing ( night before at least ), and allowed to dry before fluffing up the fly again. This seems to make it easier to wash and dry the fly after sliming it, but I am still not absolutely certain whether or not it affects the floating properties much at all. The product works quite well on normal dry flies, as indeed does Gink ), and because it dries completely and invisibly without apparent residue, it at least does not affect the floating properties of CDC adversely as practically all other liquid or paste type floatants I have tried do. Anything which clogs the fibres will reduce the surface area of the feather, and hence the floating properties, as these depend directly on this factor. This is in fact the same reason why the slime is detrimental. To be perfectly fair and honest I have never tried Gink on CDC flies using your method, but then again I can see no particular advantage in doing so, as my CDC flies float perfectly well without any dressing at all up to the moment they first become slimed. I have tried Gink used in the normal way, just applying it and then casting the fly, this will clog and sink a brand new CDC fly pretty quick actually. You can try this quite easily, you will see it is true. Presumably the trick is to dry the fly very thoroughly again after applying the Gink, but then again, a clean dry CDC fly will float well anyway, so what is the point in adding anything to it at all, unless this makes the subsequent cleaning and drying procedure easier or more effective, which Gink does not do ? ( And which I hoped Watershed might, which is why I tried it in the first place ). It is something of an involved quandary I am afraid. To recap: A new dry CDC fly floats perfectly well until it becomes slimed. After thorough washing and drying it floats perfectly well again, although this takes time, and one usually ties on a new fly instead of attempting to resurrect the clogged one. ( At least I do ). A new dry CDC fly pre-treated with watershed and thoroughly dried and fluffed floats perfectly well until it becomes slimed. ( I get the impression that it is easier and quicker to de-slime and dry the fly here, subjective at the moment, but a possible advantage). ( On sub-surface CDC flies this definitely results in more air being trapped and staying trapped longer before the fly clogs, useful for some patterns and a possible advantage). A new dry CDC fly treated with practically any of the commonly used floatants in the conventional way loses most if not all of its floating capabilities, and in fact in some cases will sink like a stone, and not work again until completely cleaned of the substance and dried. Whereupon it is again as good as new. Your method of applying Gink after drying the fly first, and then drying it again also works you say, ( I have no reason to doubt it ) until the fly again becomes slimed. But as Gink does not allow the fly to be more easily deslimed and dried again or to float properly in a slimed state then what is the point of the Gink ? My only conclusion up to now is that you have found a way to use Gink which at least does not lessen the floating or air retaining properties of CDC appreciably, ( which as it happens also agrees with Georges findings ), but it does nothing to enhance them either.Certainly not on sub-surface flies. I would be interested in your comments, and a fair test of the above ideas if you are willing. Tight lines ! Mike Connor

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (We can post the photographs if desired. I’d do it now if it wasn’t for the fact my digital camera to computer connection isn’t working tonight.) Doug Knight was just given a laboratory test and demonstration of CDC Emergers (his choice of flies to test) in the film, without and WITH Gehrke’s Gink. I cannot begin to express to all of you, LaCourse in particular and Mike Connor, how wrong you both are regarding CDC tied flies and Gink. I have pictures of his CDC Emergers on the bottom, lifeless and floatless without Gehrke’s Gink and the singular Dressed CDC GINK assisted CDC Emerger, the only fly ABLE TO float ON TOP of the water. Well . . . there is a secret on how to use GINK on C.D.C. Feathers because they are so flimsy and fine. You fluff them up by blowing on them after you GINK Them. Properly Dressed with the World’s Best Dry Fly Dressing, CDC tied flies abilities to float are IMPROVED DRAMATICALLY, boys and girls. So don’t buy the incorrect statement anymore that CDC tied feathers and/or flies are ruined because they’re dressed with Gehrke’s Gink. I can see where it might be wrong to use other dry fly dressings, but in this case as compared to other Dry Fly Dressings and situations . . . Gehrke’s GINK is still KING. Everyone SHOULD USE, Gehrke’s Gink Dry Fly Dressing on CDC tied flies. In fact, ESPECIALLY if they’re tied with CDC feathers. What I like about CDC feathers is when they’re used for wings. They’re less likely to spin a fine tippet into a snarled mess. "Gink Keeps It Up" All Around The World Gink IS King. Please tell us the pattern and what color foam was used for the body Harry

No foam. No Cheating. Fly tied by Harry Mason & CDC Caddis Emerger. Look for the picture somewhere on this thread. Good question Harry. Doug Knight Call me at 509-243-5500 For More Info.

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PURE FACT! Pure scientific fact. Proven in the lab here. I picture an old coffee mug filled with water

Just Blue’s water bowl. I mean clean. Check the picture on this thread. I was glad to be a part of the test. Blue is a great dog. Doug Knight Hairy Trout

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____ Some valid points Mike. Please understand me when I say the secret is to go ahead and apply GINK but then blow on the fly to refluff and separate the barbles. The barbles are now waterproofed whereas they are not, any other way. There is not enough natural CDC oils in these feathers to fight also the weights of dry flies. Enter now, GINK. Gink Keeps It Up. Thanks for listening. Remember to blow to fluff first. George

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – George: <<Doug Knight was just given a laboratory test and demonstration of CDC Emergers (his choice of flies to test) in the film, without and WITH Gehrke’s Gink. I cannot begin to express to all of you, LaCourse in particular and Mike Connor, how wrong you both are regarding CDC tied flies and Gink. I have pictures of his CDC Emergers on the bottom, lifeless and floatless without Gehrke’s Gink and the singular Dressed CDC GINK assisted CDC Emerger, the only fly ABLE TO float ON TOP of the water. And how do we know they were truly CDC? I have true CDC. I use it on emerger patterns. I tied up two and did the test with and without Gink. Both flied floated as I expected them to. But the Ginked fly did not, I repeat, DID NOT capture air bubbles, while the untreated fly DID. That is the whole reason for usinging CDC, George. CDC as a dry fly makes no sense because other materials make better more durable wings. But you can not beat CDC as an ermerger pattern *if you want to capture air bubbles*. CDC does that just fine because of its "bottle brush" barbuls. Reread what Leeson and Schollmeyer say about it. It is not a mystery, George. Gink or any other floatant *including preening oil* messes up the barbuls and makes the CDC feather *just an ordinary feather*. And why would I go through the expense and bother of tying an emerger pattern that traps air when I could use marabou. CDC captures air bubbles. CDC treated with Gink or any floatant does not. Period. Dave LaCourse

Good question Dave. Since the same Harry Mason tied the flies and also sold an ounce to me, I know that these are the real McCoy’s. Plucked right off the Duck’s Ass. The origanal question as I recall was if GINK would float a CDC fly. Yes, it does. And you proved that yourself. Trapped air on a submerged CDC emerger is another matter. AIR BUBBLES! Gasp! Ole Goerge might think these to be mini "beadheads". I’ll use whatever I can to get fish. Doug Knight On the Snake River under a towering thunderhead tonight!

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CDC flies are deadly effective: they catch trout! When they do, they get slimed and they lose their floating properties.

DRY FLY GRADING SYSTEM: The following works for me: 1) Squeeze rinse the fly in the stream to get rid of as much trout slime, dirt, etc. as possible.

_______ You get a Gold Star By your Name. 2) Dry the fly on shirt or handkerchief (some swine nicked my amadou).

3) Lightly Gink the CDC.

4) Wipe off surplus on trousers.

own floatation abilities! 5) Roll the fly around in the palm of hand in a small pile of powder fly dessicant (cheap stuff, nothing fancy) to remove almost all of the Gink and to unclog and ‘fluff up’ the CDC.

It works for me. Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

______ Nice post Tony. Tight lines — Mr. G. "All’s Fair With Fur or CDC Feathers" gg http://www.gink.com

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Anyone interested in fishing this great river with myself email: I’m not a guide. I have been fly fishing for 25 years ( I am 35) and tie ALL my own flies. Looking to meet a few avid fly fishermen. -Dave

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Anyone interested in fishing this great river with myself email: I’m not a guide. I have been fly fishing for 25 years ( I am 35) and tie ALL my own flies. Looking to meet a few avid fly fishermen. -Dave

Stand at the head of any Delaware pool on a pleasant Saturday in June, swing your rod around in a circle at arm’s length and you should hit about 10 fellow fly chuckers Seriously, I love to fish the Delaware though don’t get down there as much as I would like these days. I would suggest a stay at the Delaware River Club or the West Branch Angler and you will likely meet a number of friendly folks that share your interest. Good luck, Steve

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Ditto on your recommendation on the West Branch Angler. Top shelf

operation with lots of good people. Bill — Bill Fling Tel. (315) 298-3044 SALMON RIVER ANGLERS LODGE FAX (315) 298-2619 P.O. Box 353 Rt. 13, Rome Road Pulaski, NY 13142-0353 ‘SALMON RIVER/LAKE ONTARIO SPORTFISHING REPORTS’ ‘http://www.salmon-river.com’

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Ditto on your recommendation on the West Branch Angler. Top shelf operation with lots of good people.

I much prefer The Delaware River Club over West Branch Angler (they’re about a mile apart for those not familiar with the West Branch of he Delaware. The West Branch Angler seems to be trying to cater to a more upscale crowd and it’s reflected in the prices of their flyshop and accomodations. I’ve been in their shop about three times and each time they came off a bit snobbish. The DRC on the other hand just doesn’t seem pretentious at all. I stayed at the lodge last year with my girlfriend and even though she doesn’t fish they offered her the use of a pair of waders (no charge) so that she could "fish" with me. Bob and his wife are extremely congenial and offer information freely about places to fish, techniques, and just about anything else one might need. Add to that the experience and knowledge of Al Caucci and his fly school at DRC and it’s hard to beat. This may only be a rumor, but the first time I fish the West Branch I talked to a couple of guys that implied that the owner of West Branch Angler had been prosecuted two years in a row for illegally stocking rainbows in the section of stream in front of their resort. Apparently the fine for such an offense was about the same as a single nights stay at one of their cabins. Add Bill

John Fereira

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The minimum release has been cut back to 160 cfs. Looks like trouble ahead for the WB and big D trout if we have a "normal" rainfall summer and the Delaware tribs supply enough water to keep Phila. happy. It’s sad that the NYDEC would agree to such a release schedule. But I guess the decision was made by people who don’t fish the WB and and don’t know it’s water needs in the summer. In their ignorance, I suppose 160 cfs sounded like a good number. Bob

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do mean be by stability in the releases from Cannonsville? I’ve been fishing the WB since 1980 and the water releases have pretty much remained the same. Up one day, down the next. Starting this year, a new release schedule has been instituted. Starting June 1, the mandatory release will be 160 cfs. This will continue until Sept. 1. In the past the mandatory summer release started on June 15 and was 330 cfs. I believe these numbers are correct or nearly so. In addition the minimum winter release has been increased slightly. Instead of 30 people/minute in Deposit flushing their toilets, I think they’ve increased it to 45. I agree with Al Caucci who believes this new minimum summer release schedule is inadequate. If we get a stretch of 80 degree plus days for about a week in July, the water temps. near Hancock will go thru the roof. In addition, with such a small release, most of the trout will tend to move upstream towards Deposit. The "stress bank" has been increased. Big deal. I realize that these higher temps. will adversely affect Caucci’s DRC business which is near Hancock, but I also believe it will have a major negative effect on the whole WB fishery. It most likely will cut the driftboat traffic on the WB which is a plus. But with the river running low during the summer, it will make the river more fishable than in the past and will put a lot more fishing pressure on the trout. I hope I’m wrong, but that’s the worst case scenario that I see for this summer on the fabulous WB. Bob Hergan

I suppose "relative stability" would be a more accurate term for the flow regime in the upper Delaware. Absolute stability is, of course, unattainable even under natural conditions let alone in a system which serves so many demands. Cold water fishery considerations will always take a back seat for NYC water supply and combatting saltwater intrusion to protect the Phila.& Camden water supplies. The "directed" releases which are aimed at holding back the saltline and and which require a 1750cfs at the Montague gauge are (IMHO) more important to the c.w. fishery than the "conservation" releases which began in fits and starts in 1977 and were finally permanently approved by the DRBC late in ‘83. The agreement called for a minimum release from Cannonsville of 45cfs from 4/1 to 6/14 and 8/16 to 12/31, 325cfs from 6/15 to 8/15 ( except in defined drought or drought warning- a whole nother story) and 33cfs from 11/1 to 3/31. If the required summer release from Canonsville has been cut back to 160 cfs there will be problems in the W. Branch and the mainstem since the mainstem Delaware lives or dies by the cold water thermoplume from the W. Branch. This will happen when there is adequate enough flow in the watershed in general to maintain the "Montague Formula" without Canonsville’s help. Regards, RY

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What do mean be by stability in the releases from Cannonsville? I’ve been fishing the WB since 1980 and the water releases have pretty much remained the same. Up one day, down the next. Starting this year, a new release schedule has been instituted. Starting June 1, the mandatory release will be 160 cfs. This will continue until Sept. 1. In the past the mandatory summer release started on June 15 and was 330 cfs. I believe these numbers are correct or nearly so. In addition the minimum winter release has been increased slightly. Instead of 30 people/minute in Deposit flushing their toilets, I think they’ve increased it to 45. I agree with Al Caucci who believes this new minimum summer release schedule is inadequate. If we get a stretch of 80 degree plus days for about a week in July, the water temps. near Hancock will go thru the roof. In addition, with such a small release, most of the trout will tend to move upstream towards Deposit. The "stress bank" has been increased. Big deal. I realize that these higher temps. will adversely affect Caucci’s DRC business which is near Hancock, but I also believe it will have a major negative effect on the whole WB fishery. It most likely will cut the driftboat traffic on the WB which is a plus. But with the river running low during the summer, it will make the river more fishable than in the past and will put a lot more fishing pressure on the trout. I hope I’m wrong, but that’s the worst case scenario that I see for this summer on the fabulous WB.
Bob Hergan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip pervious posts Tell you what bugs me: maybe social degradation on the Delaware was inevitable, but it looks to me and plenty of others like the hucksters ruined the experience on the river and instigated a disturbing control mentality throughout the watershed. These guys were largely mute in the 70’s and early 80’s when the battle for adequate flows was going on. Just as soon as there was some stability they moved-in to scarf-up control and reap the profits. Ray Ray, I’m not sure what you mean by "social degradation" and would be interested in your definition.

A selfish one admittedly: overcrowding due to access restrictions to the point of unpleasantness, a lack by many of what the old timers called stream etiquette, general unseemliness like yelling things like paraleptophlebia and isonychia across the pools. And many other things that could be endlessly rationalized and debated but that have vitiated what I consider a satisfying angling experience. As to the ‘Johny come lately with money’ scenario, it seems like what else could be expected. With flow stability providing a real world-class fishery the value of riverside property as a money maker was now to be realized. So a couple of guys with the resources show up and start buying so they can lock up as much access as possible. They can sell this access and related services for top dollar. This is pretty much the development scenario going on everywhere.

True but nonetheless still worth bitching about. Regards, Ray

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<snip pervious posts Tell you what bugs me: maybe social degradation on the Delaware was inevitable, but it looks to me and plenty of others like the hucksters ruined the experience on the river and instigated a disturbing control mentality throughout the watershed. These guys were largely mute in the 70’s and early 80’s when the battle for adequate flows was going on. Just as soon as there was some stability they moved-in to scarf-up control and reap the profits. Ray

Ray, I’m not sure what you mean by "social degradation" and would be interested in your definition. As to the ‘Johny come lately with money’ scenario, it seems like what else could be expected. With flow stability providing a real world-class fishery the value of riverside property as a money maker was now to be realized. So a couple of guys with the resources show up and start buying so they can lock up as much access as possible. They can sell this access and related services for top dollar. This is pretty much the development scenario going on everywhere. One solution would be the purchase of public access easements by local or state governments. But I wouldn’t hold out much hope for this happening along the New York State boundary. Regards, Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip DRC accolade This may only be a rumor, but the first time I fish the West Branch I talked to a couple of guys that implied that the owner of West Branch Angler had been prosecuted two years in a row for illegally stocking rainbows in the section of stream in front of their resort. Apparently the fine for such an offense was about the same as a single nights stay at one of their cabins. Geez, John! I’ve not heard this rumor but…if it is only a rumor of which you know no actual facts it is unfortunate you chose to pass it along on the internet. Such rumor publication has the potential to do unnecessary harm to the innocent. I agree that the WBA prices are stiff but on the other hand all of the employees I have interacted with have treated me very cordially and have been helpful to me. Their accomodations have been wonderfull. I have heard good things about the DRC from others and will give them a try this year. Regards, Steve Actually, neither WBA or DRC is squeaky-clean in their attempts to attract customers. WBA’s stocking violations are fairly well known; DRC has a habit of dramatically overstating the amount of private water they have (I measured .75 miles vs. their claim of 2.5 miles), and then they’ll throw you out of the best pool (Cole’s) on a whim. But not to worry, because all of DRC’s water and much of WBA’s water is fairly easily accessible from the New York side. My recommendation: find a decent non-angling motel nearby and fish the entire West Branch netween Deposit and Hancock as well as the main stem below Hancock. Neither DRC or WBA is worth the extra money or the hassle. MZ

Tell you what bugs me: maybe social degradation on the Delaware was inevitable, but it looks to me and plenty of others like the hucksters ruined the experience on the river and instigated a disturbing control mentality throughout the watershed. These guys were largely mute in the 70’s and early 80’s when the battle for adequate flows was going on. Just as soon as there was some stability they moved-in to scarf-up control and reap the profits. Ray

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<snip DRC accolade This may only be a rumor, but the first time I fish the West Branch I talked to a couple of guys that implied that the owner of West Branch Angler had been prosecuted two years in a row for illegally stocking rainbows in the section of stream in front of their resort. Apparently the fine for such an offense was about the same as a single nights stay at one of their cabins.

Geez, John! I’ve not heard this rumor but…if it is only a rumor of which you know no actual facts it is unfortunate you chose to pass it along on the internet. Such rumor publication has the potential to do unnecessary harm to the innocent. I agree that the WBA prices are stiff but on the other hand all of the employees I have interacted with have treated me very cordially and have been helpful to me. Their accomodations have been wonderfull. I have heard good things about the DRC from others and will give them a try this year. Regards, Steve

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip DRC accolade This may only be a rumor, but the first time I fish the West Branch I talked to a couple of guys that implied that the owner of West Branch Angler had been prosecuted two years in a row for illegally stocking rainbows in the section of stream in front of their resort. Apparently the fine for such an offense was about the same as a single nights stay at one of their cabins. Geez, John! I’ve not heard this rumor but…if it is only a rumor of which you know no actual facts it is unfortunate you chose to pass it along on the internet. Such rumor publication has the potential to do unnecessary harm to the innocent. I agree that the WBA prices are stiff but on the other hand all of the employees I have interacted with have treated me very cordially and have been helpful to me. Their accomodations have been wonderfull. I have heard good things about the DRC from others and will give them a try this year. Regards, Steve

Actually, neither WBA or DRC is squeaky-clean in their attempts to attract customers. WBA’s stocking violations are fairly well known; DRC has a habit of dramatically overstating the amount of private water they have (I measured .75 miles vs. their claim of 2.5 miles), and then they’ll throw you out of the best pool (Cole’s) on a whim. But not to worry, because all of DRC’s water and much of WBA’s water is fairly easily accessible from the New York side. My recommendation: find a decent non-angling motel nearby and fish the entire West Branch netween Deposit and Hancock as well as the main stem below Hancock. Neither DRC or WBA is worth the extra money or the hassle. MZ

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I heard the same rumor about the stocking, and the W. Br. Angler owner is doing his damddest to buy up and post as much of the W. Br. and also the main D below Hancock to cater to that upscale crowd you mentioned. That’s why the NYDEC bought a couple of access sites in the no-kill section. Just to get there before he did. Got this from a DEC official about the access sites.

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I am fishing a small lake for brookies in Hawkes Bay in the next week. The only information that I have is that they are there, and in patches. No one seems to fish there much. Does anyone have any ideas that work in small lakes elsewhere in the world? Simon

Brookies attempt spawn in the fall. Fish the shallows or if the lake has inlet stream at mouth. Bright flies work well as well as black leaches. Don’t be afraid to try blood worm or chironomid larva imitations as the blood worm migrates from shallows to deeper water in the fall. At Henry’s lake bright crystal buggers and sparce crystal bodied flies do great.

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My experience with brookies in lakes generally varies with lake location and time of year. When fishing the Cypress Hills lakes in southeastern Alberta, I have the most luck fishing deep (right off the bottom) and slow using a black or very dark green nymph pattern. I generally use a dragonfly pattern in a size 8 to 10 hook. I have often seen these insects in shallow water along the shore. From a belly boat, I can slowly troll my line from shallow to the deepest water. My luck increases if I regularly twitch the line with my fingers. When I connect, the fish strike hard and put up an amazingly good fight. Trout sizes generally range from 10 to sixteen inches in length. I generally have very poor luck trying to take the brookies off the surface of the lake with a dry fly. Hope this helps. — David J. Wormsbecker, Regina, Saskatchewan Ph/Fax: (306) 789-4024

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I guess little things in life please me; last weekend while tying some flies with a friend, his father showed us the trick of how to tie the head of a Muddler Minnow. I had always marvelled at these seemingly intricate flies and wondered "How in the world do you tie this?".

Pete, Cool, huh? As Scott indicates in response to this same posting, spinning deerhair is a basic technique that’s been around a long time. You can also spin other materials such as wool (woolhead sculpins) tow yarn (glow bugs) or any hollow animal hair. Back in high school I reluctantly began tying commercially for local fly shops and a large mailorder firm. I tried to stick mostly to custom tying because it didn’t get as boring (I would tie dozens of a pattern and color rather than grosses) and I made better money. Excellent spending (fishing) money for a teen by the way. Anyway, I tied tons of muddlers. Popular fly. To form the head on a muddler you shouldn’t need to spin more than one clump of hair. First, always use a heavier than normal thread when spinning hair. Cut a suitable sized clump and stack the tips (even the hair tips). These tips will form your muddler’s collar. Make two loose wraps of thread around the hair and hook with the tips of the hair positioned to form the collar (usually about half way down the hook shank). Begin to tighten your thread to flare the hair and wrap through the flared deerhair. Tie off and trim the flared butt ends and some of the tip ends of the deerhair. The muddler should take less than 5 minutes to tie plus it’s a great fly. I think you’ll find this method for muddler heads quicker, easier, and neater. Have fun tying! John

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I guess little things in life please me; last weekend while tying some flies with a friend, his father showed us the trick of how to tie the head of a Muddler Minnow. I had always marvelled at these seemingly intricate flies and wondered "How in the world do you tie this?". The trick is that you take deer hair and wrap it to the hook near the head, splitting the length of the hair in 2. As you let go of the deer hair, it fans out in a perpendicular fashion to the hook. After wrapping several bunches of deer hair to the hook, the previous bunches get pushed backwards. Then you just trim away the bulk of the dear head and sculpt the head of the muddler minnow. Its quite simple ! What a revelation! I tied my 1st muddler and it looked AWESOME. pete |_

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Its quite simple ! What a revelation! I tied my 1st muddler and it looked AWESOME.

The "trick" you describe is pretty much standard practice (its called hair spinning and is described in many fly tying books).. You did say in your original message that you were just trimming the hair to shape the head.. After you trim, you can use a match (or lighter if youre careful) to further refine the head’s shape.. Scott — | UUCP: ..!uunet!plains!wilken | | WWW page -= http://www.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu/~wilken |

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