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I am planning a trip to the Outer Banks of NC in August, probably staying on Cedar Island and boating over to the back of the core banks where I would like to do some fly fishing. My fly fishing experience is limited to cold water trout streams. I have no saltwater fly fishing experience, and I have not visited the Outer Banks before. Is my plan reasonable? Is the western side of the national seashore good for fly fishing? Are the waters around Cedar Island good for fly fishing? What species of fish can I expect to catch in this area on flies? What flies are good for use in this area? Thank you, Bob

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I am planning a trip to the Outer Banks of NC in August, probably staying on Cedar Island and boating over to the back of the core banks where I would like to do some fly fishing. My fly fishing experience is limited to cold water trout streams. I have no saltwater fly fishing experience, and I have not visited the Outer Banks before. Is my plan reasonable? Is the western side of the national seashore good for fly fishing? Are the waters around Cedar Island good for fly fishing? What species of fish can I expect to catch in this area on flies? What flies are good for use in this area? Thank you, Bob

FWIW, if I were you I would consider hiring a guide for a day or two. Your trout equipment is going to be unsuitable in the salt due to salt water corrosion problems. In addition it is not uncommon to hook fish that run a long way, and without sufficient backing, you are likely to lose a fly line as well as ruin a reel.  A guide will help you with your casting which probably is going to be in windy conditions. Casting is much different in salt water conditions. I have no monetary connections with guides, but some of the best money I have ever spent was for guides when I was visiting in unfamiliar places and fishing unknown waters. Give ROFF a report when you get back.

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Try contacting Gordon Churchill, a local guide in that area at http://www.geocities.com/capt_gordon/ .  He’s a good fellow and has always provided good information whether you hire him or not.   Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning a trip to the Outer Banks of NC in August, probably staying on Cedar Island and boating over to the back of the core banks where I would like to do some fly fishing. My fly fishing experience is limited to cold water trout streams. I have no saltwater fly fishing experience, and I have not visited the Outer Banks before. Is my plan reasonable? Is the western side of the national seashore good for fly fishing? Are the waters around Cedar Island good for fly fishing? What species of fish can I expect to catch in this area on flies? What flies are good for use in this area? Thank you, Bob

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I am planning a trip to the Outer Banks of NC in August, probably staying on Cedar Island and boating over to the back of the core banks where I would like to do some fly fishing. My fly fishing experience is limited to cold water trout streams. I have no saltwater fly fishing experience, and I have not visited the Outer Banks before. Is my plan reasonable? Is the western side of the national seashore good for fly fishing? Are the waters around Cedar Island good for fly fishing? What species of fish can I expect to catch in this area on flies? What flies are good for use in this area? Thank you, Bob

http://www.google.de/search?q=NC+Cedar+Banks+fishing&hl=de&meta= Turned up over five thousand hits.  Must be at least a few with exactly the info you want. TL MC

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Purely out of curiosity, I checked a few, sounds pretty good. http://www.coastalguide.com/packet/fishing01.htm http://www.icw-net.com/fish.htm http://www.outerbanks.com/fishing/fishcal.htm http://www.ufish.com/regions/_nc.htm#COASTAL These were all from the first hit. Wish I was going with you. TL MC

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Thank you everyone for the replies. I E-mailed Capt. Churchill and am going to give serious thought to hiring him. Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Try contacting Gordon Churchill, a local guide in that area at http://www.geocities.com/capt_gordon/ .  He’s a good fellow and has always provided good information whether you hire him or not.   Tom I am planning a trip to the Outer Banks of NC in August, probably staying on Cedar Island and boating over to the back of the core banks where I would like to do some fly fishing. My fly fishing experience is limited to cold water trout streams. I have no saltwater fly fishing experience, and I have not visited the Outer Banks before. Is my plan reasonable? Is the western side of the national seashore good for fly fishing? Are the waters around Cedar Island good for fly fishing? What species of fish can I expect to catch in this area on flies? What flies are good for use in this area? Thank you, Bob

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I have some scans of pictures taken of the Elk River in BC that I obtained from the local fly shop.  If you wish, I could email them to you. Peter

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I have some scans of pictures taken of the Elk River in BC that I obtained from the local fly shop.  If you wish, I could email them to you. Peter

Sure Peter, thanks.  Have you ever fished there or know folks who do/have?  I have been to Canada a few times on hunting trips (going again next November to Anticosti) but never to BC and it does sound and look like it would be a wonderful trip. Before you buy.

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I regularly fish the Elk River and tribs in BC, as well as the Crowsnest and other rivers in SW Alberta. I live in Lethbridge, Alberta, just a short hop from the area. I also run a web page about fishing in the area. It is at: www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html Feel free to contact me by private e-mail to discuss this area, if you like. It is a wonderful place to fish. Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m contemplating a 3 day guided FF’ing trip in the spring.  I’ve wanted to do a pack trip to West Virginia to fish the Elk River and some of the surrounding streams for a few years, just have never gotten the time.  But recently I’ve received information on two other spots, one in particular, that sound enticing…one in North Carolina and one in eastern British Columbia. BC:  The Elk River and its tributaries that run through eastern BC and the East Kootenay valleys.  Trip would most likely be two days of walk and wade and one day of driftboat fishing.  According to my literature, native cuts are the standard catch.  Some of the other rivers mentioned are the Oldman River and the Crowsnest. It sounds like a spectactularly beautiful area. WV: Have been thinking about WV for some time now.  Namely the Elk River but other smaller streams/rivers in the area too.  Some mentioned are the Cheat, Dry Fork, Glady Fork.  I don’t know what it is but I just can’t get WV out of my mind when I think of destinations.  Big plus…it’s probably just a days drive. NC:  Again, the Elk, Linville, North and South Toe.  Don’t really know much about the area except that it’s ont too far a drive and I’ve been told the areas mentioned are beautiful spots and the fishing is very good. So if anyone out there has first hand knowledge of these areas I’d love to here your opinions and comments on them.  Especially the BC trip….maybe some of the ROFF Canuck contingency can help out here. Also, if anyone knows of a good guide or two for these areas I’d appreciate the info.  I have names of guide services for these areas but other than looking for the "O" seal of approval, I’m picking blindly. Any help/comments are appreciated.  If anyone wants to discuss in Thanks in advance. Natty Before you buy.

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I regularly fish the Elk River and tribs in BC, as well as the Crowsnest and other rivers in SW Alberta. I live in Lethbridge, Alberta, just a short hop from the area. I also run a web page about fishing in the area. It is at: www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html Feel free to contact me by private e-mail to discuss this area, if you like. It is a wonderful place to fish. Tim Lysyk

Tim, I notice you have a picture of the Frank Slide on the front of your page.  Probably anyone who fishes the Crow has one, (mine was taken a lttle further downstream.) Peter

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Actually, that is picture of very nice (and small in the picture) woman fly fishing in front of Turtle Mountain <G. By the way, I don’t take the pictures, my web page partner does (credit where credit is due). How often do you get this way?? Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I regularly fish the Elk River and tribs in BC, as well as the Crowsnest and other rivers in SW Alberta. I live in Lethbridge, Alberta, just a short hop from the area. I also run a web page about fishing in the area. It is at: www.telusplanet.net/public/cnangler/html Feel free to contact me by private e-mail to discuss this area, if you like. It is a wonderful place to fish. Tim Lysyk Tim, I notice you have a picture of the Frank Slide on the front of your page.  Probably anyone who fishes the Crow has one, (mine was taken a lttle further downstream.) Peter

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I’m contemplating a 3 day guided FF’ing trip in the spring.  I’ve wanted to do a pack trip to West Virginia to fish the Elk River and some of the surrounding streams for a few years, just have never gotten the time.  But recently I’ve received information on two other spots, one in particular, that sound enticing…one in North Carolina and one in eastern British Columbia. BC:  The Elk River and its tributaries that run through eastern BC and the East Kootenay valleys.  Trip would most likely be two days of walk and wade and one day of driftboat fishing.  According to my literature, native cuts are the standard catch.  Some of the other rivers mentioned are the Oldman River and the Crowsnest. It sounds like a spectactularly beautiful area. WV: Have been thinking about WV for some time now.  Namely the Elk River but other smaller streams/rivers in the area too.  Some mentioned are the Cheat, Dry Fork, Glady Fork.  I don’t know what it is but I just can’t get WV out of my mind when I think of destinations.  Big plus…it’s probably just a days drive. NC:  Again, the Elk, Linville, North and South Toe.  Don’t really know much about the area except that it’s ont too far a drive and I’ve been told the areas mentioned are beautiful spots and the fishing is very good. So if anyone out there has first hand knowledge of these areas I’d love to here your opinions and comments on them.  Especially the BC trip….maybe some of the ROFF Canuck contingency can help out here. Also, if anyone knows of a good guide or two for these areas I’d appreciate the info.  I have names of guide services for these areas but other than looking for the "O" seal of approval, I’m picking blindly. Any help/comments are appreciated.  If anyone wants to discuss in Thanks in advance. Natty Before you buy.

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I’ve always thought it’s kind of bad form to just come right out and ask a question like, "Where are the best places to fish." I don’t really intend to criticise the original poster (was it Hawkeye?) about asking such a question, but it seems to me that you get better results from coming at the question in a little more roundabout way. It also helps to spend lots of money in local flyshops, and to leave the impression that you’re prepared to spend a lot more. Short of that, developing some kind of relationship with the people whose honey holes you want to discover is a good investment. It’s especially touchy when hot fishing spots are discussed openly in a public forum like ROFF. A little research about just who in the newsgroup is likely to be knowledgeable about a particular spot, and then some discrete private emails, would probably pay off better. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Actually, that is picture of very nice (and small in the picture) woman fly fishing in front of Turtle Mountain <G. By the way, I don’t take the pictures, my web page partner does (credit where credit is due). How often do you get this way?? Tim Lysyk

The mountain in my picture looks like the mountain in your picture, (I took it from Hwy 3) and the local brochures refered to the light gray part as the Frank Slide.  I never did get to know the name of the mountain. I’ve only been able to fish Alberta once (Little Staufer, the Bow and the Crow) but I’ve been out three times on business.  I’d love to get back to fish the Crow again, plus the Elk and the Livingston. BTW, loved that little white and red pizza restaurant in Fort MacLeod.  I thought Rocky Mountain House was quite the place.   Head-smashed-in was cool too.  I sat on the prairie and just drank in the smells. Fabulous place – I’d move in a twinkle if I could. (should I be saying this on the Usenet?  <g) Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I’ve always thought it’s kind of bad form to just come right out and ask a question like, "Where are the best places to fish

rw, I dont mind that type of question.  If the asker is naive enough  to ask I am experienced enough to lie. Old Fart

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kind of relationship with the people whose honey holes you want to discover is a good investment. It’s especially touchy when hot fishing spots are discussed openly in a public forum like ROFF. A little research about just who in the newsgroup is likely to be knowledgeable about a particular spot, and then some discrete private emails, would probably pay off better. (snipped)

Your point is well taken RW.  I’m not looking to invade anyones spot as whichever route I take will certainly be booked through a guide/outfitter.  I’m totally unfamiliar with those areas and without a guide would most likely be discovered months later fishing gear strapped to my back, rotting away in some wooded area, topo map and compass still in hand. I am merely seeking input from those who may have fished the streams and areas I mentioned, no particular part of the stream…that’s the guides job.  As for the private email, that is why I left my email in case someone didn’t want to get into the discussion in the open forum.  Maybe I’m wrong but I didn’t think it was proper Usenet protocol to contact people from the group via private email without an invitation to do so. I certainly understand folks not wanting to get into detailed location pointing here…I have my spots that I wouldn’t want to blab aloud too.  Sorry if it came out that way…if anyone wants to offer info I Natty (I promise I won’t bring hordes of NJ bred "cousin Vinnys" to your spot…:-) Before you buy.

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The grey part is where the slide started. I always feel a sense of awe driving through the slide. I can’t remember the name of the pizza place in Fort Macleod, but will be driving through there tomorrow so will try to remember to get it. I can see the building in my mind. I love this area too. I used to work in Lethbridge during the summers when I was in university (78-80), and always dreamed of coming back to stay. I did in 1989. If you are ever come out this way again…..gimme a call. Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually, that is picture of very nice (and small in the picture) woman fly fishing in front of Turtle Mountain <G. By the way, I don’t take the pictures, my web page partner does (credit where credit is due). How often do you get this way?? Tim Lysyk The mountain in my picture looks like the mountain in your picture, (I took it from Hwy 3) and the local brochures refered to the light gray part as the Frank Slide.  I never did get to know the name of the mountain. I’ve only been able to fish Alberta once (Little Staufer, the Bow and the Crow) but I’ve been out three times on business.  I’d love to get back to fish the Crow again, plus the Elk and the Livingston. BTW, loved that little white and red pizza restaurant in Fort MacLeod.  I thought Rocky Mountain House was quite the place.   Head-smashed-in was cool too.  I sat on the prairie and just drank in the smells. Fabulous place – I’d move in a twinkle if I could. (should I be saying this on the Usenet?  <g) Cheers Visit The Streamer Page at

http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html

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I used your deja address for the photos – should I have used the other? Peter

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I used your deja address for the photos – should I have used the other?

That’s fine Peter.  Truth is I only created a Deja address to keep from getting spammed on the other and actually have never checked it.  I can pick them up from deja mail.  Thanks very much! Natty Before you buy.

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Your point is well taken RW.  I’m not looking to invade anyones spot as whichever route I take will certainly be booked through a guide/outfitter.  

Don’t worry about it. Like I said, I wasn’t criticising you. Natty (I promise I won’t bring hordes of NJ bred "cousin Vinnys" to your spot…:-)

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I did in 1989. If you are ever come out this way again…..gimme a call.

Count on it Peter

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I didn’t even make the freaking list–nor did I go fishing this weekend. Man alive. I guess I’m gonna hafta call my mom and tell her never to come visit again. Otherwise, I won’t be able to keep up with the Joneses…er, Wolfgangs. –Steve

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez, I go home for the weekend, and when I fire up the computer on Monday morning and check out ROFF, I find 600 messages!  Some of which were even about fishing!

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…         but a night with the check out lady at the pixie motel after an evening embellished by a neil young cd marathon and re-heated pizza during rest breaks would render you positively cuddly, forty ol man.

I’m confident that "little wayno’s cuddle therapy and aerobic exercise program" would render me cuddly but I’m afraid I just couldn’t bring myself to eat re-heated pizza. — Ken Fortenberry- gotta draw the line somewhere

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Lemme guess, are you in Minnesota, or thereabouts?  We had a system blow through here on Friday, had a good 7 inches on the ground Saturday morning. Put a real damper on the weekend fishing plans.

Nope..Denver.  It snowed pretty much all day Saturday, but without significant accumulation.  Sunday was nice, though, and yesterday was 80s again.

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day tripper writes: CRAP! I’ve slipped to number 14 – even HWMNBN held me higher than that! /daytripper (I was Number 6 once! ;^)

And yesterday you were in #2, deep into #2 with a broken wading stick!   Shoot, if we didn’t go fishing yesterday, we coulda both been higher in the stats. Dave LaCourse

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Hell Kevin, I couldn’t be "really nice" if you promised me a private concert by the Guarneri String Quartet, dinner for two catered by Rick Bayless and a night of sweaty sex with Gabrielle Reece.

        of course not; who could, left to be entertained by those pallid pretenders.         but a night with the check out lady at the pixie motel after an evening embellished by a neil young cd marathon and re-heated pizza during rest breaks would render you positively cuddly, forty ol man.         wayno

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<list snipped Damn, I better start participating more. bc. — Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. -Benjamin Franklin

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Not yet maybe some time in the next week

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez, I go home for the weekend, and when I fire up the computer on Monday morning and check out ROFF, I find 600 messages!  Some of which were even about fishing! Here are the most prolific posters, in order: 61  Wolfgang Siebeniech 38  Muskie 27  Chip Bartholomay 25  Dave LaCourse     Vern Ursenbach 23  Guyz N Flyz     Ken Fortenberry 20  ET1 19  Charlie Choc 18  JeffC 1474 17  flyfish     MFassett     Peter Charles 15  Daytripper 14  Mike Connor     rw 13  Walt Winter     Wayne Harrison 10  Dave Snedeker     Warren Findley Let’s see, I have been out of the office for about 64 hours or so.  Assuming that Wolfgang sleeps 8 hours per night (though I frankly don’t have much faith in that assumption) then he was awake for 40 hours, then he fires off an average of 1.525 posts per hour while he is awake.  Though when I look at the time stamps on his posts, he often fires off messages in bursts of more than one per minute.  Hell, I couldn’t even type that fast, much less read all of the messages and think of what I wanted to say. Look out the windows, boys; its spring!  Time to go fishing! Next weekend is a holiday, and you most likely don’t have to go to work on Friday.  Pull the plug on that damn computer, load up the fly rods and the kids and the dog or whatever, and go fishing.  Get a tan on that pasty white skin.  Next Monday, I want to see some fishing reports on here, dammit! Wolfgang, I believe its time for your friends and loved ones to do an intervention… Kevin PS.  The doctor also prescribes that you should all catch, kill, fry, and eat one cast-iron skillet full of your favorite panfish. He believes that will go a long way towards calming down the level of bitchiness that has been permeating the board for quite some time now.

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Geez, I go home for the weekend, and when I fire up the computer on Monday morning and check out ROFF,

        great post.         to paraphrase a great american, who was speaking about a small college in new hampshire, may i say this about roff:         it is a small place, sir; but there are those of us who love it. wayno

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stuck in the middle again…. Flyfish

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez, I go home for the weekend, and when I fire up the computer on Monday morning and check out ROFF, I find 600 messages!  Some of which were even about fishing! Here are the most prolific posters, in order: 61  Wolfgang Siebeniech 38  Muskie 27  Chip Bartholomay 25  Dave LaCourse     Vern Ursenbach 23  Guyz N Flyz     Ken Fortenberry 20  ET1 19  Charlie Choc 18  JeffC 1474 17  flyfish     MFassett     Peter Charles 15  Daytripper 14  Mike Connor     rw 13  Walt Winter     Wayne Harrison 10  Dave Snedeker     Warren Findley Let’s see, I have been out of the office for about 64 hours or so.  Assuming that Wolfgang sleeps 8 hours per night (though I frankly don’t have much faith in that assumption) then he was awake for 40 hours, then he fires off an average of 1.525 posts per hour while he is awake.  Though when I look at the time stamps on his posts, he often fires off messages in bursts of more than one per minute.  Hell, I couldn’t even type that fast, much less read all of the messages and think of what I wanted to say. Look out the windows, boys; its spring!  Time to go fishing! Next weekend is a holiday, and you most likely don’t have to go to work on Friday.  Pull the plug on that damn computer, load up the fly rods and the kids and the dog or whatever, and go fishing.  Get a tan on that pasty white skin.  Next Monday, I want to see some fishing reports on here, dammit! Wolfgang, I believe its time for your friends and loved ones to do an intervention… Kevin PS.  The doctor also prescribes that you should all catch, kill, fry, and eat one cast-iron skillet full of your favorite panfish. He believes that will go a long way towards calming down the level of bitchiness that has been permeating the board for quite some time now.

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Geez, I go home for the weekend, and when I fire up the computer on Monday morning and check out ROFF, I find 600 messages!  Some of which were even about fishing! Here are the most prolific posters, in order: 61  Wolfgang Siebeniech 38  Muskie 27  Chip Bartholomay 25  Dave LaCourse     Vern Ursenbach 23  Guyz N Flyz     Ken Fortenberry 20  ET1 19  Charlie Choc 18  JeffC 1474 17  flyfish     MFassett     Peter Charles 15  Daytripper 14  Mike Connor     rw 13  Walt Winter     Wayne Harrison 10  Dave Snedeker     Warren Findley Let’s see, I have been out of the office for about 64 hours or so.  Assuming that Wolfgang sleeps 8 hours per night (though I frankly don’t have much faith in that assumption) then he was awake for 40 hours, then he fires off an average of 1.525 posts per hour while he is awake.  Though when I look at the time stamps on his posts, he often fires off messages in bursts of more than one per minute.  Hell, I couldn’t even type that fast, much less read all of the messages and think of what I wanted to say. Look out the windows, boys; its spring!  Time to go fishing! Next weekend is a holiday, and you most likely don’t have to go to work on Friday.  Pull the plug on that damn computer, load up the fly rods and the kids and the dog or whatever, and go fishing.  Get a tan on that pasty white skin.  Next Monday, I want to see some fishing reports on here, dammit! Wolfgang, I believe its time for your friends and loved ones to do an intervention… Kevin PS.  The doctor also prescribes that you should all catch, kill, fry, and eat one cast-iron skillet full of your favorite panfish. He believes that will go a long way towards calming down the level of bitchiness that has been permeating the board for quite some time now.

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Here are the most prolific posters, in order:

What’s the ranking by word count? Who uses the most vowels? — Charlie…

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Geez, … I find 600 messages! …  

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and hazard a guess that you were not forced at gunpoint to read even one of those messages. Which begs the question, what in the hell are you whining about ? — Ken Fortenberry

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sunofabeech… the thought of wayno posting as much as me just rankles the shitoughta me. 14 at ya wayno ;^) waldo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez, I go home for the weekend, and when I fire up the computer on Monday morning and check out ROFF, I find 600 messages!  Some of which were even about fishing! Here are the most prolific posters, in order: 61  Wolfgang Siebeniech 38  Muskie 27  Chip Bartholomay 25  Dave LaCourse     Vern Ursenbach 23  Guyz N Flyz     Ken Fortenberry 20  ET1 19  Charlie Choc 18  JeffC 1474 17  flyfish     MFassett     Peter Charles 15  Daytripper 14  Mike Connor     rw 13  Walt Winter     Wayne Harrison 10  Dave Snedeker     Warren Findley Let’s see, I have been out of the office for about 64 hours or so.  Assuming that Wolfgang sleeps 8 hours per night (though I frankly don’t have much faith in that assumption) then he was awake for 40 hours, then he fires off an average of 1.525 posts per hour while he is awake.  Though when I look at the time stamps on his posts, he often fires off messages in bursts of more than one per minute.  Hell, I couldn’t even type that fast, much less read all of the messages and think of what I wanted to say. Look out the windows, boys; its spring!  Time to go fishing! Next weekend is a holiday, and you most likely don’t have to go to work on Friday.  Pull the plug on that damn computer, load up the fly rods and the kids and the dog or whatever, and go fishing.  Get a tan on that pasty white skin.  Next Monday, I want to see some fishing reports on here, dammit! Wolfgang, I believe its time for your friends and loved ones to do an intervention… Kevin PS.  The doctor also prescribes that you should all catch, kill, fry, and eat one cast-iron skillet full of your favorite panfish. He believes that will go a long way towards calming down the level of bitchiness that has been permeating the board for quite some time now.

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A check was done on ROFF to see who was most prolific, Wolfgang won with sixty one, 1.525 per hour to be specific. Charlie asked then for more info, especially regarding vowels, perhaps it would be more informative to check on movements of the bowels ? This would explain a lot, and is not at all designed to slight the winner, but quite a lot of posts arise it seems from an undigested dinner, it is well known that poor digestion may result in bellyaching, and even those without this malady, seem pretty good at faking. TL MC — "In order to achieve what is possible, one must constantly attempt the impossible" http://www.mikeconnor.de

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/daytripper (I was Number 6 once! ;^)

Yeah, yeah.  You coulda been a contender.  Bunch a has beens and never wases.  Come ta Nort Carolina kid, I’ll learn ya sumthin.

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If you’re really nice to me, I might be able to tell you where to find a spring-fed cool water stream that has smallmouth and rock bass in it, only minutes away from the Cham-bana city limits.  But only if you’re really nice… Kevin MS Math, ‘86, UIUC

Kevin, Would you be so kind as to do me and a few other clavesters a favor…. don’t tell Ken… tell me/us. We’ll have a blast listening to him begging and whining for the details at the upcoming clave …. hell, he may even be civil if we play our cards right waldo

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… If I was, I might complain about the tone of hostility in some of the posts, but I’ve noticed that everybody who’s done that in the past has been flamed medium rare.

Whiners rarely get off medium rare. They’re usually flamed to a blackened piece of charred cinder. …  But only if you’re really nice…

Hell Kevin, I couldn’t be "really nice" if you promised me a private concert by the Guarneri String Quartet, dinner for two catered by Rick Bayless and a night of sweaty sex with Gabrielle Reece. — Ken Fortenberry

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I’m gonna go out on a limb here and hazard a guess that you were not forced at gunpoint to read even one of those messages. Which begs the question, what in the hell are you whining about ? — Ken Fortenberry

Don’t worry, I didn’t bother reading them all, and I wasn’t whining. Merely expressing amazement…  If I was, I might complain about the tone of hostility in some of the posts, but I’ve noticed that everybody who’s done that in the past has been flamed medium rare.  So I definitely won’t complain about that. If you’re really nice to me, I might be able to tell you where to find a spring-fed cool water stream that has smallmouth and rock bass in it, only minutes away from the Cham-bana city limits.  But only if you’re really nice… Kevin MS Math, ‘86, UIUC

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Also, in my own defense, I must say that I was pissing away my time at work, not my fishing time.  :-) I’ll quit now before I make my own list. Kevin

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Geez, I go home for the weekend, and when I fire up the computer on Monday morning and check out ROFF, I find 600 messages!  Some of which were even about fishing! Here are the most prolific posters, in order: 61  Wolfgang Siebeniech 38  Muskie 27  Chip Bartholomay 25  Dave LaCourse    Vern Ursenbach 23  Guyz N Flyz    Ken Fortenberry 20  ET1 19  Charlie Choc 18  JeffC 1474 17  flyfish    MFassett    Peter Charles 15  Daytripper 14  Mike Connor    rw 13  Walt Winter    Wayne Harrison 10  Dave Snedeker    Warren Findley

CRAP! I’ve slipped to number 14 – even HWMNBN held me higher than that! /daytripper (I was Number 6 once! ;^)

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I got a staff writes this shit for me.  Frankly, I rarely even check the board any more; who’s got time to read?.  I get hourly synopses from my secretary.  I tell her "three fuck yous, two one liners, and a couplea hey good buddies", or whatever.  Two, three lawyers and a couplea high school kids sits in the back room and write.  I get a sheet with all kindsa crap on it.  I check this one, cross out that one, yada, yada, yada.  61 over the course of the weekend, huh?  Somebody’s slippin in some of his own stuff.  I never authorized that many.  Heads will fuckin roll!!  Thanks for the heads up.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here are the most prolific posters, in order: 61  Wolfgang Siebeniech 38  Muskie 27  Chip Bartholomay 25  Dave LaCourse     Vern Ursenbach 23  Guyz N Flyz     Ken Fortenberry 20  ET1 19  Charlie Choc 18  JeffC 1474 17  flyfish     MFassett     Peter Charles 15  Daytripper 14  Mike Connor     rw 13  Walt Winter     Wayne Harrison 10  Dave Snedeker     Warren Findley Let’s see, I have been out of the office for about 64 hours or so.  Assuming that Wolfgang sleeps 8 hours per night (though I frankly don’t have much faith in that assumption) then he was awake for 40 hours, then he fires off an average of 1.525 posts per hour while he is awake.  Though when I look at the time stamps on his posts, he often fires off messages in bursts of more than one per minute.  Hell, I couldn’t even type that fast, much less read all of the messages and think of what I wanted to say. Look out the windows, boys; its spring!  Time to go fishing! Next weekend is a holiday, and you most likely don’t have to go to work on Friday.  Pull the plug on that damn computer, load up the fly rods and the kids and the dog or whatever, and go fishing.  Get a tan on that pasty white skin.  Next Monday, I want to see some fishing reports on here, dammit! Wolfgang, I believe its time for your friends and loved ones to do an intervention…

Of course one could say the same about someone who went through the trouble of compiling a listing of the number of times people posted in a 64 hour period….     – Ken

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Look out the windows, boys; its spring!  Time to go fishing!

Yep…sure is, but it snowed here Saturday, so there was not much fishing opportunity.  Had to do something!

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Of course one could say the same about someone who went through the trouble of compiling a listing of the number of times people posted in a 64 hour period….     – Ken

Actually, that very thought occured to me while I was doing it. Fortunately, thanks the miracle of modern technology, it didn’t take but a few clicks of the mouse to do.  I do graciously accept the honorable mention prize in the time wasting competition. Kevin

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Look out the windows, boys; its spring!  Time to go fishing! Yep…sure is, but it snowed here Saturday, so there was not much fishing opportunity.  Had to do something!

Lemme guess, are you in Minnesota, or thereabouts?  We had a system blow through here on Friday, had a good 7 inches on the ground Saturday morning. Put a real damper on the weekend fishing plans. Kevin

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ernie — that’s interesting…might I ask how you are defining "fall" — since the russian, gualala, garcia, etc…didn’t have any confirmed steelhead reported in them until January…. j

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Hi Paul, These are ‘Winter Run’ rivers that are dependent on rain.  Dec/Jan/Feb/March is their normal timing. Unless you are going to be there for some other reason, winter steelheading today is not a good bet for most fly fishers. We fished them in the 60s and 70s with some success, but today you have to really be ‘connected’ so you know when the few good rivers that are left have the right water conditions for fly fishing. Our best steelhead fishing is in Sept/Oct/Nov when the water is warmer and the fish are more active. This can be swinging flies or nymphing with egg imitations behind spawning salmon. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA http://www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for info on best times to steelhead fish in Cali. Specifically, the Russian, Navarro, etc. Is March the time to go?  What about other rivers? Any sites to recommend for additional info?         Thank you for your time, Paul B.

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This year you are going to hit it perfect!  March is going to be prime time for Steelhead on the Navarro and the Russian.  I landed a nice fish on the Russian early this year.  Last year the Navarro was great at this time.  I would give this rain a day or so before heading up there.  They are going to be very swollen.  The Gualala is always a good choice this time of year even if it is raining it seems to run clear.  Take the time to do a bit of research before going, it is important to have the correct lines for those rivers.  If you need more information on this area go to http://www.flyfishingreview.com/flyforum/ There is plenty of good info on the message board. Thanks,Forrest — Forrest http://www.FlyFishingREVIEW.com FlyFishingREVIEW.com I’m looking for info on best times to steelhead fish in Cali. Specifically, the Russian, Navarro, etc. Is March the time to go?  What about other rivers? Any sites to recommend for additional info?         Thank you for your time, Paul B.

– Forrest http://www.FlyFishingREVIEW.com FlyFishingREVIEW.com Before you buy.

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You are correct.  Most of the Steelhead on California coastal streams come in the winter months(dec jan feb mar)  I have found March to be one of the most productive months on the Gualala and Garcia rivers.  In Ernies defense the rivers do see fish in Nov.  This depends on the rainfall.  I landed a nice fish on the Russian in Early November one year.  It is tough to predict but Steelhead usually start congregating around river mouths in Nor Cal around mid Oct. entering the river as the rains come. Thanks,Forrest — Forrest http://www.FlyFishingREVIEW.com FlyFishingREVIEW.com WIN ANY SAGE ROD!!!! Reviews on the gear you want. ernie — that’s interesting…might I ask how you are defining "fall" — since the russian, gualala, garcia, etc…didn’t have any confirmed steelhead reported in them until January…. j

– Forrest http://www.FlyFishingREVIEW.com FlyFishingREVIEW.com Before you buy.

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I’m looking for info on best times to steelhead fish in Cali. Specifically, the Russian, Navarro, etc. Is March the time to go?  What about other rivers? Any sites to recommend for additional info?         Thank you for your time, Paul B.

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Paul,    The salmon gather at the river mouth waiting for enough rain to raise the river and make upstream passage possible so they can spawn.  The steelhead wait for the salmon to start their runs so they can follow them and eat the salmon eggs.  The salmon die after spawning and the steel head spawn and return to the ocean.  You may catch a steel head that hasn’t returned to the ocean yet, but it is kind of late in the season.  Fall is the best time, after the rain starts. Ernie Harrison Want to make tapered leaders? See: http://home.pacbell.net/ernie2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m looking for info on best times to steelhead fish in Cali. Specifically, the Russian, Navarro, etc. Is March the time to go?  What about other rivers? Any sites to recommend for additional info?        Thank you for your time, Paul B.

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I like mine. The scale is hard to read though. Capt. Gary S. Colecchio West Palm Beach "Lie ? Me ? Never!  No, no, no, the truth is far too much fun !" – Captain Hook

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Personally, as a salmon and steelhead guide,  I’d say no way to the Boga Grip … any of the bigger fish species will slip their vertebrae being held vertically out of the water … imagine yourself being hung with all your weight by the lip … ‘nuf sed I’ll bet … — Bob Ball Bob’s Piscatorial Pursuits Alaska / Washington Salmon, Steelhead, and Halibut Fishing http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com "If it’s wild, let it go!"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – so i would never lift them by the lip, since tailing them usually works just fine. hope that helps, chris I would have thought that tailing them would remove more meniscus (there’s that word again)…where as a proper lip doesn’t bind or twist the jaw at all……I’ve never heard any pros or cons on this….will I

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Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) using the BogaGrip in flyfishing applications?  Obviously we like it (biased opinion), but we have heard very little about it in the flyfishing world. Would appreciate some comment. — Will West Lionheart Fishing Safari http://www.lionheartsafari.com

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Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) using the BogaGrip in flyfishing applications?  Obviously we like it (biased opinion), but we have heard very little about it in the flyfishing world. Would appreciate some comment.

i like mine alot for holding black rockfish and lingcod in the saltwater… they’re also great for holding fish while you cut their gills to bleed them.  for species like salmon and steelhead, i don’t like for them to even leave the water, so i would never lift them by the lip, since tailing them usually works just fine. hope that helps, chris

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so i would never lift them by the lip, since tailing them usually works just fine. hope that helps, chris

I would have thought that tailing them would remove more meniscus  (there’s that word again)…where as a proper lip doesn’t bind or twist the jaw at all……I’ve never heard any pros or cons on this….will I

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I bought my Boga Grip from Lion Heart Safari and am very very satisfied with it.  Although I do not flyfish but surfcast, all wading and the Boga Grip is underwater the whole time, it works flawlessly.  Just a rinse with freshwater after each trip and that’s all I do to it.  It is great for handling bluefish and striped bass. Richie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) using the BogaGrip in flyfishing applications?  Obviously we like it (biased opinion), but we have heard very little about it in the flyfishing world. Would appreciate some comment. — Will West Lionheart Fishing Safari http://www.lionheartsafari.com

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anyone have experience ff the surf in San diego this time of year? I would greatly appreciate any comments–and if you live here perhaps we could get together–I am a fresh water ffman recently transported. Thanks Ron

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I live in orange county and work in San Diego. I have not had much luck surf fly fishing in any so cal waters. Usually it is a matter of access. Most of the good stretches of beach are hard, if not impossible to get to. Any spots where you do have access to are WAY overcrowded by bait fisherman, A large percent looking for a family dinner. I have had great luck renting a skiff from seaforth. You can fish in mission bay, or Coronado island. Get out there with deceivers, let’em sink, then strip, strip, strip, like a mad man. Mackerel, rock fish, I even caught a baby barracuda once Seaforth also has a big boat to rent with GPS and all the goodies, so you can really get out there and hit the kelp beds. It is pricey though. Also there is a great salt fly fishing store in SD. If anyone knows, these guys do… San Diego Fly Shop. 619-283-3445. They have flys, lines, and all the stuff you need. Call them, they know the area. Note : you need a special sticker on your ca fishing license to do the salt thing. Good luck, Marc visit the Fly Fishing Zone at http://www.bookmarkzone.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – anyone have experience ff the surf in San diego this time of year? I would greatly appreciate any comments–and if you live here perhaps we could get together–I am a fresh water ffman recently transported. Thanks Ron

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Hi fellow fishermen: If you got an unusual fish story, I want to hear it.  Please go to my web site at http://www.apc.net/seasidek and e-mail me your fish stories.  I will post them on the web for everyone to see. P.S Tell your fishing friends

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Hello Fellow fishermen If you have an unusual fish story, I want to hear it.  Please go to my web site at http://www.apc.net/seasidek and e-mail me your story.  I will post them on the web for all to see. P.S  Tell all your fishing buddies.

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Dear Fellow Fly Fisher, If you have ever wanted your own place to go to in Florida to enjoy great Saltwater flats Fly Fishing, then check out the WEB site listed below. This Sportsmans club is going to be owned by ten enthusiastic anglers. Your own location in Florida for 1/10th the cost. Check out the site and let me know if you are interested. We have five people so far leaving only five positions open. RL http://www.praxis.net/~riverclub/

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Howdy I’ll be moving to Sping Lake N.J. in mid Oct. from southern Alberta where I’ve become quite fond of spectacular fishing. Anyone have a suggestion of where i can continue to get my fix? My e-mail is only go until Oct.7 Thank ya all, Cheers.

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As one resident said last year… the besst fly fishing in NJ is in PA and NY.  But Spring Lake in on the coast, and the other resident didn’t ply the salt.  Great runs of of blues are in the offing.  Check any of the local tackle shops.  Fresh water is mostly up north and west.  Shad and stripers run the Delaware regularly.  Trout are mostly stocked, so listen to the original advise and head to PA and the NY Catskills.  There is a NJ fishing home page, and if you can scroll back into this groups archives it’ll be listed . good luck from Long Island jg

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I would like to buy waders for my wife, a very small woman. I want gore-tex or supplex or a very light well made pair – any suggestions? Thanks, Fred Lebow

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I would like to buy waders for my wife, a very small woman. I want gore-tex or supplex or a very light well made pair – any suggestions?

    Simms makes their Gore-Tex waders in a wide range of sizes including some that are more suitable for women than the normal cut.  If you can find a local store than handles them, they should be able to call Simms and get direct advice as to the best size to order. — Lloyd Fortney http://www.phy.duke.edu/~fortney/lrf_home_page.html has links to my garden, flower, flyfishing, and travel JPEG images as well as teaching, research, and stuff like that

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Seems like a reasonable trade. TimW {I just *love* that joke, it is ageless}

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Seems like a reasonable trade. {I just *love* that joke, it is ageless}

As evidenced by the number of times you’ve used it…:) Ross

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I would like to buy waders for my wife, a very small woman. I want gore-tex or supplex or a very light well made pair – any suggestions?

Two sources are Orvis and Damselfly. I’m at work or I’d post the phone #’s from my catalogues (both at home). — Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Disclaimer: Over 30 and born in Fredericton, NB

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ryan(& rec.outdoors.fishing.fly), Note: This was a hoax a year ago and still is. You can not introduce a virus into your system by reading a Usenet message. For DOS it must be an executable file and must in fact be opened. Never rally thought about these things propagating over and over as new folks come online. Urban Myths have now become Cyber Myths. I have no intent to waste bandwidth but I felt I neeed to post this as well as contact Ryan directly. regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

Joe, your statement is not altogether true. Do you remember a few years ago of a virus spreading on a UNIX machines across the Internet ? As I recall the virus was spread in a ‘mail’ message and took advantage of an application bug which utilized gets to read the input. Understanding how stack frames are built and their relationship to buffers of automatic scope, it is easy to see how this was done. My apologies to the readers for deviating from FF’ing ! -Dan-

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Hi Group, A friend just advised me that a new virus is on the net which is supposed to have come from someone on AOL.  If you receive e-mail titled "Good Times" DELETE it immediately.  DO NOT read it.  If you do, your hard drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor. It’s frustrating to have people out there doing this kind of stuff but at least we’ve been warned. Good Luck and don’t read Good Times Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT

The Goot Times Virus is a hoax. You can only get a virus if you download an executable file and run it. You won’t contract a virus by simply viewing e-mail

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This Good Times crap is just that-Pure BS. You cannot get any kind of virus through an email message. —

"A Bad Day Fishing Is Better Than A Good Day At Work" Web Page:  http://www.tiac.net/users/macaw

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A friend just advised me that a new virus is on the net which is supposed to have come from someone on AOL.  If you receive e-mail titled "Good Times" DELETE it immediately.  DO NOT read it.  If you do, your hard drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor.

It’s a little known fact, but you can counter the effects of the "Good Times" virus by mailing a get well card to Craig Shergold. Be sure to include the recipe for Nieman-Marcus Toll House Cookies. Mike Rophone I never gave a fuck about the ‘net until I met Senator Exon

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Hi Group, A friend just advised me that a new virus is on the net which is supposed to have come from someone on AOL.  If you receive e-mail titled "Good Times" DELETE it immediately.  DO NOT read it.  If you do, your hard drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor. It’s frustrating to have people out there doing this kind of stuff but at least we’ve been warned. Good Luck and don’t read Good Times Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT

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Hi Group, A friend just advised me that a new virus is on the net which is supposed to have come from someone on AOL.  If you receive e-mail titled "Good Times" DELETE it immediately.  DO NOT read it.  If you do, your hard drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor.

This is a well known hoax.  Here’s some additional info for the curious. -Dave  email virus is a hoax!       If anyone repeats the hoax, please show them the FAQ.             G o o d   T i m e s   V i r u s  H o a x        F r e q u e n t l y   A s k e d   Q u e s t i o n s                             by Les Jones                         Febraury 6, 1996      This information may be freely reproduced in any medium,             as long as the information is unmodified. February 6, 1995 Update The Good Times virus hoax keeps on going. I receive almost daily reports of hoax activity. I’m reposting the FAQ to relevant newsgroups, and I’ve set up my own web pages: http://www.usit.net/public/lesjones/goodtimes-faq.html http://www.usit.net/public/lesjones/goodtimes-mini-faq.html http://users.aol.com/macfaq/goodtimes-faq.html http://users.aol.com/macfaq/goodtimes-mini-faq.html The FAQ has been updated with current URLs and a new section discussing the Word macro virus. A call to educators and translators If you teach classes or write books about the Internet, I encourage to educate people about Good Times. The Good Times myth is not going away anytime soon, so we should start including it in Internet curriculum now. The FAQ is free for redistribution in any medium, so feel free to integrate it into any class materials or published works. Good Times has spread to many countries, and has been translated into many languages. If you are bilingual, you can help debunk Good Times by translating the FAQ into another language. If you do translate the FAQ, please let me know the URL so I can include it in the FAQ. Is the Good Times email virus a hoax? Yes. It was a hoax in November of 1994, and it’s still a hoax in February of 1996. America Online, government computer security agencies, and makers of anti-virus software have declared Good Times a hoax. See Online References at the end of the FAQ. Since the hoax began in November of 1994, no copy of the alleged virus has ever been found, nor has there been a single verified case of a viral attack. Why should I believe the FAQ instead of the hoax? Unlike the warnings that have been passed around, the FAQ is signed and dated. I’ve included my email address, and the email addresses of contributors, for verification. I’ve also provided online references at the end of the FAQ so that you can confirm this information for yourself. I’m new to the Internet. What is the Good Times virus hoax? The story is that a virus called Good Times is being carried by email. Just reading a message with "Good Times" in the subject line will erase your hard drive, or even destroy your computer’s processor. Needless to say, it’s a hoax, but a lot of people believed it. The original message ended with instructions to "Forward this to all your friends," and many people did just that. Warnings about Good Times have been widely distributed on mailing lists, Usenet newsgroups, and message boards. The original hoax started in early December of 1994. It sprang up again in March of 1995. In mid-April, a new version of the hoax that mentioned a FCC report began circulating. Worried that Good Times would never go away, I decided to write the FAQ. These worries proved valid when the hoax began popping up again in October of 1995. What is the effect of the hoax? For those who already know it’s a hoax, it’s a nuisance to read the repeated warnings. For people who don’t know any better, it causes needless concern and lost productivity. The virus hoax infects mailing lists, bulletin boards, and Usenet newsgroups. Worried system administrators needlessly worry their employees by posting dire warnings. The hoax is not limited to the United States. It has appeared in several English-speaking and non-English-speaking countries. One reader sent me an English transcription of a radio broadcast in Malta. ‘infection’ I came across all tended to result from the message getting into the hands of senior non-computing personnel. Those with the ability and authority to spread it widely, without the knowledge to spot its nonsensical content." Some of the companies that have reportedly fallen for the hoax include AT&T, CitiBank, NBC, Hughes Aircraft, Microsoft, Texas Instruments, and dozens or hundreds of others. There have been outbreaks at numerous colleges. The U.S. government has not been immune. Some of the government agencies that have reportedly fallen victim to the hoax include the Department of Defense, the FCC, NASA, the USDA, U.S. Census Bureau, and various national labs. I’ve confirmed outbreaks at the Department of Health and Human Services, though they had the good sense to question the hoax, and ask for more information on Usenet, before passing the hoax along to their employees. The virus hoax has occasionally escaped into the popular media. Tom Sullivan show on KFBK 1530 AM radio in Sacramento, California, a police officer warned listeners not to read email labeled "Good Times", and to report the sender to the police. Other radio stations, including Australia’s ABC radio, have also spread the hoax. There are scattered reports of the virus spreading via Faxnet, that low-tech network of secretaries and bored knowledge workers that traffics in cartoons and dumb blonde jokes. What was the CIAC bulletin? On December 6, 1994, the U.S. Department of Energy’s CIAC (Computer Incident Advisory Capability) issued a bulletin declaring the Good Times virus a hoax and an urban legend. The bulletin was widely quoted as an antidote to the hoax. The original document can be found at the address in Online References at the end of the FAQ. Note that the document went through several minor revisions, with 94-04c of December 8 being the most recent. Like all quoted material in the FAQ, it includes the original spelling and punctuation. Because some of the lines in the CIAC report are rather long, they will appear broken. —-Begin quoted material—- THE "Good Times" VIRUS IS AN URBAN LEGEND In the early part of December, CIAC started to receive information requests about a supposed "virus" which could be contracted via America OnLine, simply by reading a message. | Here is some important information. Beware of a file called Goodtimes.    | |                                                                          | |  Happy Chanukah everyone, and be careful out there. There is a virus on   | | America Online being sent by E-Mail.  If you get anything called "Good    | | Times", DON’T read it or download it.  It is a virus that will erase your | | hard drive.  Forward this to all your friends.  It may help them a lot.   | THIS IS A HOAX.  Upon investigation, CIAC has determined that this message originated from both a user of America Online and a student at a university at approximately the same time, and it was meant to be a hoax. CIAC has also seen other variations of this hoax, the main one is that any electronic mail message with the subject line of "xxx-1" will infect your computer. This rumor has been spreading very widely.  This spread is due mainly to the fact that many people have seen a message with "Good Times" in the header. They delete the message without reading it, thus believing that they have saved themselves from being attacked. These first-hand reports give a false sense of credibility to the alert message. There has been one confirmation of a person who received a message with "xxx-1" in the header, but an empty message body.  Then, (in a panic, because he had heard the alert), he checked his PC for viruses (the first time he checked his machine in months) and found a pre-existing virus on his machine. He incorrectly came to the conclusion that the E-mail message gave him the virus (this particular virus could NOT POSSIBLY have spread via an E-mail message).  This person then spread his alert. As of this date, there are no known viruses which can infect merely through reading a mail message.  For a virus to spread some program must be executed. Reading a mail message does not execute the mail message.  Yes, Trojans have been found as executable attachments to mail messages, the most notorious being the IBM VM Christmas Card Trojan of 1987, also the TERM MODULE Worm (reference CIAC Bulletin B-7) and the GAME2 MODULE Worm (CIAC Bulletin B-12). But this is not the case for this particular "virus" alert. If you encounter this message being distributed on any mailing lists, simply ignore it or send a follow-up message stating that this is a false rumor. Karyn Pichnarczyk CIAC Team —-End quoted material—- Note: Karyn is now with Cisco. Her new email address is The CIAC report was wrong when it stated that the hoax was started by "a user of America Online and a student at a university." See "Who started the hoax." What’s the first version of the warning (FYI)? I have an early version of the hoax … read more »

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drive will be wiped clean. The virus can also damage your processor.

A virus cannot damage your processor. It’s frustrating to have people out there doing this kind of stuff but at least we’ve been warned.

Agreed Tight lines, Jay Whitworth

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Regarding the good times virus: I just received an FYI forwarded through the university admin here at MSU-Bozeman, stating that the GOOD TIMES virus is a farce. Evidently, warnings about it were posted from an AOL user who was intentionally crying wolf. But, before that, I received a warning notice about the virus. My latest info says its a fake, but I’ve heard both sides. Anyone know the TRUTH about GOOD TIMES? Better safe than sorry till then, don’t read any mail which promises good times… Ryan Jordan J&J Flies http://www.erc.montana.edu/~ryan_j/jjflies/jjflies.htm & Center for Biofilm Engineering http://www.erc.montana.edu/~ryan_j/

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This Good Times crap is just that-Pure BS. You cannot get any kind of virus through an email message.

If there were such a thing as a Good Times virus, it would probably be a lot more dangerous if it were renamed the WARNING!!! virus. — Keep your stick on the ice.

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: It’s a little known fact, but you can counter the effects of the : "Good Times" virus by mailing a get well card to Craig Shergold. Sorry bud, Craig Shergold died about 3 years ago.  Guess he didn’t get enough cards.  This time it’s Biff Maloney, but the card still goes to the same address.  I guess it’s just a bad luck bed. : Be sure to include the recipe for Nieman-Marcus Toll House : Cookies. Yeah, because everyone has the Mrs. Fields cookie recipe.   : I never gave a fuck about the ‘net until I met Senator Exon                  ^^^^ Brought to you by the letters ACLU and EEF. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Assistant professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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Regarding the good times virus: I just received an FYI forwarded through the university admin here at MSU-Bozeman, stating that the GOOD TIMES virus is a farce. Evidently, warnings about it were posted from an AOL user who was intentionally crying wolf. But, before that, I received a warning notice about the virus. My latest info says its a fake, but I’ve heard both sides. Anyone know the TRUTH about GOOD TIMES? Better safe than sorry till then, don’t read any mail which promises good times… Ryan Jordan

Ryan(& rec.outdoors.fishing.fly), Note: This was a hoax a year ago and still is. You can not introduce a virus into your system by reading a Usenet message. For DOS it must be an executable file and must in fact be opened. Never rally thought about these things propagating over and over as new folks come online. Urban Myths have now become Cyber Myths. I have no intent to waste bandwidth but I felt I neeed to post this as well as contact Ryan directly. regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

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