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My joke was that "when you own your own business, they can’t tell you when to go home, you can work all night". Actually, having your own business can be a great life if you enjoy the good parts of it. Some people are so talented that they can have a business ( or two) and it is no big deal for them, that is not me. If someone out there is thinking of starting their own business, just be sure first and do some research, but don’t get scared off. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tim & Bill, A fellow who owned his own business told me that there was both bad and good involved.  You only had to work half days, but you could choose which 12 hours you wanted to be in.  He also mentioned that most self employed folks have a prick for a boss. Crusty You were caught . . . being smart. How long have you owned the store? How long was it after you started the biz before you finally  got the store and staff in the shape required to allow you could take a few days off? I’ll bet you’ve paid more than enough dues to earn a few days off here and there. I watched my father-in-law work 7 days a week for a long time in his own business before he was able to leave it for a day or two once in a while. Then, when times got tough again, he had to step right back into the 7 day a week routine again. Bill, take the rest of the day off — you earned it! Tim — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com You would need to have some money and  realize that you are going to put in some very long hours. Not a good job for someone who likes to fly fish. This job is not about going fly fishing all the time. Well Bill, let me see…How many times have I driven/flown from the Portland Oregon area to Sacramento?  By golly, I believe it has been 6 in the last 2 years.  How many times have I stopped into your fly shop to meet you? By golly, I believe it has been 6.  How many times have you been in? My math’s not good, what is 6 minus 6?  :) Crusty

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Tim & Bill, A fellow who owned his own business told me that there was both bad and good involved.  You only had to work half days, but you could choose which 12 hours you wanted to be in.  He also mentioned that most self employed folks have a prick for a boss. Crusty

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You were caught . . . being smart. How long have you owned the store? How long was it after you started the biz before you finally  got the store and staff in the shape required to allow you could take a few days off? I’ll bet you’ve paid more than enough dues to earn a few days off here and there. I watched my father-in-law work 7 days a week for a long time in his own business before he was able to leave it for a day or two once in a while. Then, when times got tough again, he had to step right back into the 7 day a week routine again. Bill, take the rest of the day off — you earned it! Tim — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com You would need to have some money and  realize that you are going to put in some very long hours. Not a good job for someone who likes to fly fish. This job is not about going fly fishing all the time. Well Bill, let me see…How many times have I driven/flown from the Portland Oregon area to Sacramento?  By golly, I believe it has been 6 in the last 2 years.  How many times have I stopped into your fly shop to meet you? By golly, I believe it has been 6.  How many times have you been in?  My math’s not good, what is 6 minus 6?  :) Crusty

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You were caught . . . being smart. How long have you owned the store? How long was it after you started the biz before you finally  got the store and staff in the shape required to allow you could take a few days off? I’ll bet you’ve paid more than enough dues to earn a few days off here and there. I watched my father-in-law work 7 days a week for a long time in his own business before he was able to leave it for a day or two once in a while. Then, when times got tough again, he had to step right back into the 7 day a week routine again. Bill, take the rest of the day off — you earned it! Tim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com You would need to have some money and  realize that you are going to put in some very long hours. Not a good job for someone who likes to fly fish. This job is not about going fly fishing all the time. Well Bill, let me see…How many times have I driven/flown from the Portland Oregon area to Sacramento?  By golly, I believe it has been 6 in the last 2 years.  How many times have I stopped into your fly shop to meet you? By golly, I believe it has been 6.  How many times have you been in?  My math’s not good, what is 6 minus 6?  :) Crusty

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Greg, If I’m not mistaken, the Yankee Flyshop was the scene of a tragedy last August when an employee shot to death the shop’s owner.  I remember hearing about this when it happened- I think the employee even lived in the apartment above the store. Dave

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— Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You would need to have some money and  realize that you are going to put in some very long hours. Not a good job for someone who likes to fly fish. This job is not about going fly fishing all the time. Well Bill, let me see…How many times have I driven/flown from the Portland Oregon area to Sacramento?  By golly, I believe it has been 6 in the last 2 years.  How many times have I stopped into your fly shop to meet you?  By golly, I believe it has been 6.  How many times have you been in?  My math’s not good, what is 6 minus 6?  :) Crusty

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"Fortenberry Fly Fishing Shoppe"

Hey, Wayno and I could probably commit  a couple of hundred bucks to the project – in lieu of betting with Forty on Illinois games.  Sumbitch psychs me out every time.  <g   Harry How ’bout some Scotch on next fall?  Oskii wa wa!!

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You would need to have some money and  realize that you are going to put in some very long hours. Not a good job for someone who likes to fly fish. This job is not about going fly fishing all the time.

Well Bill, let me see…How many times have I driven/flown from the Portland Oregon area to Sacramento?  By golly, I believe it has been 6 in the last 2 years.  How many times have I stopped into your fly shop to meet you?  By golly, I believe it has been 6.  How many times have you been in?  My math’s not good, what is 6 minus 6?  :) Crusty

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  Posted By: yankeeflyshop Wednesday, April 3, 2002 at 07:07:47 Remote Address: 152.163.194.186 Body of Message: Established Fly Shop in Pulaski,NY on the salmon river for sale.Building includes 2 store fronts 1 side terminal tackle and 1 side fly shop.Both fully stocked –Turn Key operation –2 apartments upstairs 1 2 bedroom and 1 one bedroom.terminal tackle side acn be shut down and rented for 400 a month and 2 bedroom could be rented for 375-400 per month.Run a fly shop with high sales and live upstairs.Asking 145K –Negotiable –Serious inquires Only

FORTENBERRY!!  This is for you!  PERFECT! Okay guys, who’s going to finance him on this project? Is that you LaCourse? Yah.  Sure. George Gehrke  Voting for: "Fortenberry Fly Fishing Shoppe"

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If you like to fly fish, don’t get your own small business.

Never a truer word spoken, Bill! Tight Lines, Tony Deacon

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Not a good job for someone who likes to fly fish. This job is not about going fly fishing all the time.

It helps a great deal to be married to an organizational genius. This is a job for someone that enjoys helping others and talking about fly fishing a lot. This job is taking care of the needs of those who have it figured out well enough so they can go fly fishing. If you like to fly fish, don’t get your own small business.

You seem to have done rather well with it, Bill. You flyfish more, in more exotic locations, than anyone else I know. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Hi All, I guess this is a destination fly shop? For the right person/persons this could be a great life. If it included a retail buildings, inventory, fixtures and living space it sounds interesting. You would need to have some money and  realize that you are going to put in some very long hours. Not a good job for someone who likes to fly fish. This job is not about going fly fishing all the time. This is a job for someone that enjoys helping others and talking about fly fishing a lot. This job is taking care of the needs of those who have it figured out well enough so they can go fly fishing. If you like to fly fish, don’t get your own small business. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Someone recently posted questions about starting up  a fly shop.  The following was on the "Steelhead Site" Posted By: yankeeflyshop Wednesday, April 3, 2002 at 07:07:47 Remote Address: 152.163.194.186 Body of Message: Established Fly Shop in Pulaski,NY on the salmon river for sale.Building includes 2 store fronts 1 side terminal tackle and 1 side fly shop.Both fully stocked –Turn Key operation –2 apartments upstairs 1 2 bedroom and 1 one bedroom.terminal tackle side acn be shut down and rented for 400 a month and 2 bedroom could be rented for 375-400 per month.Run a fly shop with high sales and live upstairs.Asking 145K –Negotiable –Serious inquires Only

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I took a few photos this afternoon while skiing. I thought some of you might like to see them. It’s just so beautiful up here in the winter, even though the fishing is nonexistent. The URLs are: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/p2698.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/p2704.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/p2707.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/p2711.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/p2718.jpg I’ll admit that I was experimenting with the depth of field of my digital camera. Unfortunately, you can’t get the full effect with these small photos. A 6-megapixel camera and a large print would blow you away. BTW, all shots were hand-held. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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nice shots… richard / colorado

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I took a few photos this afternoon while skiing. I thought some of you might like to see them. It’s just so beautiful up here in the winter, even though the fishing is nonexistent. The URLs are: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/p2698.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/p2704.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/p2707.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/p2711.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/web/p2718.jpg I’ll admit that I was experimenting with the depth of field of my digital camera. Unfortunately, you can’t get the full effect with these small photos. A 6-megapixel camera and a large print would blow you away. BTW, all shots were hand-held. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Nice roff, roffs you have there.   George

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Nice roff, roffs you have there.

They’re the best, George. We communicate telepathically. I’m fortunate to have the finest cross-country skiing you can imagine right out of town, and dogs are very welcome. Arlo, the Golden Retriever, had a lot of problems with getting ice in his paws at first, but the more we do it (like every day) the tougher he gets. The Border Collie, Bee, bounds through the snow like it doesn’t exist. I’m new to cross-country skiing, but I’m finding that it has some similarities to fly fishing. Every day the conditions are a little different. It’s never the same. Not yet, anyway. I love it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Put Gink between his toes or better yet, make him a set of booties.  As a last resort, put cotton around his toes and duck tape but don’t wrap tape.  Squeeze it on. Your Dog’s Pal, George’s Arf – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nice roff, roffs you have there. They’re the best, George. We communicate telepathically. I’m fortunate to have the finest cross-country skiing you can imagine right out of town, and dogs are very welcome. Arlo, the Golden Retriever, had a lot of problems with getting ice in his paws at first, but the more we do it (like every day) the tougher he gets. The Border Collie, Bee, bounds through the snow like it doesn’t exist. I’m new to cross-country skiing, but I’m finding that it has some similarities to fly fishing. Every day the conditions are a little different. It’s never the same. Not yet, anyway. I love it. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Put Gink between his toes or better yet, make him a set of booties.  As a last resort, put cotton around his toes and duck tape but don’t wrap tape.  Squeeze it on.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I’ve been spraying Pam in his paws. It’s cheaper than Gink. I’ve also been trimming the hair in his paws. The more we ski (well, actually I’m the one who skis) the less he needs it. I bought some fancy booties with Velcro strips ($36) and he promptly lost one. What a waste of money. He hated them, too. It was worth the 36 bucks to see him high-stepping around the cabin when I first put them on. I thought I’d die laughing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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Hunting With Hank, when they put the duck tape boots on Hank, pranced around also.  But they get used to it.  What you have to watch out for is frost bitten toes, this is why insulated foot wear is so important. Pam is a good idea.  Better than my idea by a long shot.  If he stops and licks paws, check time. Love the dogs though, they are beauties! George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Put Gink between his toes or better yet, make him a set of booties.  As a last resort, put cotton around his toes and duck tape but don’t wrap tape.  Squeeze it on. Sorry to disappoint you, but I’ve been spraying Pam in his paws. It’s cheaper than Gink. I’ve also been trimming the hair in his paws. The more we ski (well, actually I’m the one who skis) the less he needs it. I bought some fancy booties with Velcro strips ($36) and he promptly lost one. What a waste of money. He hated them, too. It was worth the 36 bucks to see him high-stepping around the cabin when I first put them on. I thought I’d die laughing. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I’m new to cross-country skiing, but I’m finding that it has some similarities to fly fishing. Every day the conditions are a little different. It’s never the same. Not yet, anyway. I love it.

I thought I might get a chance to get my skis out in Atlanta yesterday, but the snow melted too fast. I imagine the XC skiing must be great there. What you need is an Iridium phone with the data kit, and then you could upload photos to your site while you are still out skiing. Certainly couldn’t do that with film. <g — Charlie…

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I’m fortunate to have the finest cross-country skiing you can imagine right out of town, and dogs are very welcome….

The downhill’s not too shabby either, but alas, dogs are rarely welcome at a ski resort. — Rusty Hook Laramie, Wyoming

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George, I honestly think no one wants a $300 cane rod, that is why you have to push them all the time. Cane rods are not for newbies , they are for enthusiasts. They cannot compete with graphite on pure performance, although you say yours can!  Cane  if for when you discover that hertage and  presentation is what draws you to the sport. Fly fishing has more to with history  and the joy of fishing with a piece of equipment that  the maker has spent some time on and not  his rejects. George, this is a new mellenium where folk are prepared to spend a little cash on a nice piece of equipment.  I live in an area where cycling is a big thing. Do they all ride $100 bikes? no chance, they all ride hand made racing bikes and dress up to match, even if they look bloody stupid. Dont sell yourself short George, good cane has never ben cheap.  Terry   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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George G. writes: I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.  

Well, my oldest grandson and I just returned from a wonderful trip to Labrador.  Fishing was tough because of flood conditions and the weather, but we caught some nice brook trout on #16 and #18 Goddard Caddis’.   We had trouble keeping the fly afloat because of the wind and rain, but Jeff used Dave’s Bug Flote (sic), and I used Albolene and the problem was solved. Both worked really well, as well as any floatant on the market. Dave LaCourse "The Sag Continues"

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<< I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   George, take a moment and look at your last months worth of posts.  They consist almost entirely of infammatory topics.  Hell, I would love to talk fishing with you.  You only about two hours from me and we could probably share a lot of information but you can’t seem to keep yourself out of the bullseye. I know there are a lot of people here who don’t like you and that makes it difficult to post anything without somebody twisting it and taking a shot at you.  However, an awful lot of your post are self centered and self serving and that turns the rest of us off.  We all have our faults and I am by no means perfect but I have to tell ya that you bring an awful lot of grief down on yourself by the way you write and by what you choose to write about. Why don’t you just let ROFF go?  There are some great local fly fishing newsgroups that focus on fishing and not ego’s and hate wars.  Focus your energy there. Mike Spokane, WA

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Good God George, take a pill or something…..There is no need what so ever for your diatribes. Go to Montana and chill for heaven sake. Harry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off."

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The only saga that continues – your irrationality.  There’s no point responding to your post line-by-line, the self-serving bullshit it contains is obvious to everyone.  So let me put this as succintly as possible – GO AWAY! Peter

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Why don’t you just let ROFF go?  There are some great local fly fishing newsgroups that focus on fishing and not ego’s and hate wars.  Focus your energy there. Mike Spokane, WA

__– Well simply put, because I have several hundred people who stalk roff and like what we say regarding fly fishing.  It is the unsung heroes of fly fishing who wait patiently for those nice articles and I will continue to post those articles Mike in a straight forward and hopefully, interesting manner. I understand what you’re saying, and we will try to improve in that area.  Other than that, I think there is a small group here in Roff that I wouldn’t give the time of day too.  You should hear what that silent majority has to say about the flamers and smart mouths out east and in Germany.  They are fed up with them and it isn’t I that they are mostly unhappy with.  What they complain the most about is ROFF doesn’t talks about fishing enough.   Other than that, I agree with you and we should get together sometime soon.  Possibly when this entire crew gets back from the expedition? Thanks for your input, but I’m not leaving.  There are too many on the back stage who support me more than the other side.  The challenge still stands.   — "the saga will continue on my terms" In the meantime, we are working hard on the web site for all our friends and clients.   http://www.gink.com/  Just talk fly fishing!

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Good God George, take a pill or something…..There is no need what so ever for your diatribes. Go to Montana and chill for heaven sake. Harry

Talk fly fishing Harry.  Talk fly fishing.  Nothing else matters. — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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__– Well simply put, because I have several hundred people who stalk roff and like what we say regarding fly fishing.  It is the unsung heroes of fly fishing who wait patiently for those nice articles and I will continue to post those articles Mike in a straight forward and hopefully, interesting manner.

Why don’t you and your legion of imaginary friends go and get fucked? — Levi "So long, and thanks for all the fish."

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. Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met.

Let’s see who’s the honest one here you arrogant SOB. Perhaps we should email that little ditty to every creditor on your bankruptcy list whom we could find an email address for. Oh yea, I also have the email where you acknowledged "there were problems" with the $300 rods. So much for the challenge being met. Wayne Tired of Kansas (no trout and the sms is ungodly expensive) Tired of Not Fishing And Tired of the Bullshit.

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Grow up, George. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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"Can’t we all just get along…ppplease, people, (sniff)…?" Alex (thoroughly amused at the seriousness with which some folks take themselves).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that. Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues" http://www.gink.com/

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As of this moment (please note time and date) let’s see who smart mouths who or who demeans whom first. I’m here to talk fly fishing.  Always have and will always try to do just that.   Less everyone forget that the Bastard Bamboo Fly Rod Company was started here in Roff and it was my money I put on the line.  The $300 fly rods are still available so let no one forget the promise and challenge was met. I know how to keep promises and I know how to meet challenges.  First off, I think everyone should take this Darwinian Concept and pitch it in the trash pile because its nothing more than an excuse to wander off the beaten path.  That includes our foreign visitors to ROFF. So there it is.  Either hone up to what Rec.Outdoors.Fishing.Fly is all about or go to the proper newsgroups to discuss those darwinian subjects. They don’t belong here. Nuff Said:  Let’s see who throws the first stone. As Jesus said once by the village well while everyone stoned the prostitute:  "He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone!" Whereas:  This little woman staggers over with this big rock and drops it on the persecuted one’s head! Aghast!  Jesus says: "You know ma?  Sometimes you really can piss me off." — Mr.Gink "the saga continues"   http://www.gink.com/

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Could you be more specific on where in B.C. you are going to finish your schooling.   Hi all   I’m currently living in Ontario. And going to   move back to BC to finish some schooling. So now that I have a choice on where to live, I want a place for flyfishing on the weekends. Any requests or comments would be greatly appreciated..                                               thanx

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I request that your residence have an extra room, set aside specifically for ROFFian visitors, you hold a Clave once a year in August, you never marry and you are to never move again! Opie     **Psychic To The Recently Deceased**   Hi all   I’m currently living in Ontario. And going to   move back to BC to finish some schooling. So now that I have a choice on where to live, I want a place for flyfishing on the weekends. Any requests or comments would be greatly appreciated..                                               thanx

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Hi all I’m currently living in Ontario. And going to   move back to BC to finish some schooling. So now that I have a choice on where to live, I want a place for flyfishing on the weekends. Any requests or comments would be greatly appreciated..                                             thanx

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Looking for info for group trip of about 12-18 people for fishing in August & Sept.

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You can’t do better than Mike Lawson’s at Henry’s Fork.  He and his guys can take you into Montana, Yellowstone and fish the better parts of easter ID. Wonderful guides, all of them.  Henry’s Fork Lodge can handle your group in very nice style.  The best fishing I’ve done in years. SAB – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Looking for info for group trip of about 12-18 people for fishing in August & Sept.

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Hi: I second the recomendation to Mike Lawson’s shop.  I took a trip with Mike Smith, Smitty, this summer and had a great time.  However, the shop is more expensive than any of the others in the area, so be aware.  The shop has a web site, I don’s know the url but know it is listed at www.davisbrown.com/fflnk.html Chris Brown

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Will, Find a phone book when you get there, Call the nearest flyshop and ask where the fall run chinook are on the Rogue or Where it is open on the Umpqua (North and Main Stream). — Bob Crossley – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m gonna be in Roseburg for a few weeks (the rest of this month thru the first week of Oct.). Any info on flyfishng in that area or on the coast would be appreciated. Will

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Will, Find a phone book when you get there, Call the nearest flyshop and ask where the fall run chinook are on the Rogue or Where it is open on the Umpqua (North and Main Stream). — Bob Crossley I’m gonna be in Roseburg for a few weeks (the rest of this month thru the first week of Oct.). Any info on flyfishng in that area or on the coast would be appreciated. Will

Fall run Chinook…or Spring run or any run Chinook don’t readily take to flies.  (And when they do, you don’t want to mess with a forty pound fish spawning salmon who’s flesh is melting off right in front your eyes.  If you don’t break your rod, you’ll go into shock when you see what an ugly mess you’ve hauled in.) Steelhead, on the other hand, that’s a different story. The Umpqua is a wonderful Steelhead river with 30 miles of flyfishing only water.  That said, you should find a guide the first day or two. Steamboat Inn has guides, or try Joe Howell’s Fly shop in Idylwild. Good luck, Kevin

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I’m gonna be in Roseburg for a few weeks (the rest of this month thru the first week of Oct.). Any info on flyfishng in that area or on the coast would be appreciated. Will

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Sorry to raise this issue again! I would like to know people’s perceptions on whether the microfibre Simms or the codura Simms where tougher. I do a lot of rough walking/wading where I go fishing and I’d heard the codura was tougher but not as comfortable. Is this correct? Regards, Jamie Sharp

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Sorry to raise this issue again! I would like to know people’s perceptions on whether the microfibre Simms or the codura Simms where tougher. I do a lot of rough walking/wading where I go fishing and I’d heard the codura was tougher but not as comfortable. Is this correct? Regards, Jamie Sharp

Jamie, The microfiber is both tougher and more comfortable. If you fish in areas that include star thistles and brambles in the streamside vegetation, I would strongly recommend the microfiber. Here in Northern California we have alot of star thistles and have seen a few problems with the barbs making their way through the relatively coarse fibers of the cordura model. Simms has assured us that this weakness has been remedied with the new microfiber material. I hope this helps,   Alan.   Alan Barnard   Kiene’s Fly Shop   Sacramento, Ca.

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Careful of the lower Owens right now running 700 CFS (alot of water) They are trying to move as much water through as they can before the snowpack runoff begins. Lower owens can be tough wading evenat lower water levels. Pete

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Be sure to take you knee pads for the Owens.  Sneaking up on those fish takes a lot of patience or a curved rod for shooting from behind a bush. Many FinShakes Ray Chapa San Antonio, Tx — Ray Chapa

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try big tejunga creek just outside la crescenta, between the resevoir and upstrem to the bridge – access is a long walk down a fire break off big tejunga canyon rd, park a half mile downstream of the bridge – wild bows in spectacular canyon.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Path: news.teleport.com!psgrain!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.net com.com!netnews Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: Netcom Lines: 10 Distribution: world NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-lb1-04.ix.netcom.com Can anbody sugest where I should flyfish in  So. Calif. for a weekend? There are several ares, West Fork of the San Gabreal, Bear Creek and the best is Lower Owens outside of Bishop this time of the year.  You also have the Pacific at your door step.  If you need more info on the Bishop area let me know.  Joe

I caught the flyfishing bug on the Lower Owens right outside of Bishop.  For me the key was that I used the most incredible guide I’ve ever had the privilage to fish with (to this day I’ve never even heard stories about anyone that fishes as well as he does).   My 1st day ever fishing with a fly rod (& probably the 10th time of any kind of fishing in my life) I landed 25 wild brown trout – if I could have been quicker to strike (as on his first "strike" call, instead of the 2nd or 3rd…) it would have been more.  I was gut hooked in the worst (best) way…   Harry Blackburn Eastside Guide Service Mammoth Lakes, CA 619/934-6457 Tell him Ant sent you…  He also knows about all the best places to fish in the Mammoth/Bishop area, the variety is incredible.

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Can anbody sugest where I should flyfish in  So. Calif. for a weekend?

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Can anbody sugest where I should flyfish in  So. Calif. for a weekend?

There are several ares, West Fork of the San Gabreal, Bear Creek and the best is Lower Owens outside of Bishop this time of the year.  You also have the Pacific at your door step.  If you need more info on the Bishop area let me know.  Joe

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So if I were going to the Owens in May for hanggliding, should I plan on some fishing also? Old Montana Flyfisherman.

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So if I were going to the Owens in May for hanggliding, should I plan on some fishing also? Old Montana Flyfisherman.

Yes, but fishing from hanggliders is restricted to the 2 miles immediately below Pleasant Valley Dam, and any fish caught from a hangglider must be released to the water where they were taken.   There is talk that this section of the river will be made hanggliders only in the near future.

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The best advice for the Beartooth is to be prepared for EVERYTHING and know where you are going.  It can and will snow up there at any time and will likely get down to the 40s at night (if not lower).  There are a couple of good sporting good stores in Red Lodge who will answer questions. P.S. If you ski — bring them as it is year round if you don’t mind hiking back up.  Have fun.

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Hello my name is Michael mitchell I currently attend Michigan State University and work in Yellowstone Nat. Park.  Some of the best Fishing for cutts can be found in the North east portion of the park.  just 15 min. from cook city Montana Ps. good food at Beartooth Cafe. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m doing a hike into the Bear Tooth range in Montana to do some fishing this august.. I’ve always wanted to hike into the high country and fish some of the alpine lakes.. i’ve heard this region is great.. I would appreciate any advice or talk on the area.. I don’t know what to expect for weather.. I was told that the region we’re going to is void of insect life except crickets.. keg

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There are two things I’ve heard wrt keeping bugs at bay:  1) Vitamin B6 when consumed gives one an odor distasteful to bugs  2) Bugs prefer dark colours especially blue Has anyone out there heard concrete evidence to support or refute these statements? Should I ditch my navy blue shirt and buy a white one? Should I start popping B6 supplements?

Scottish midges come out when the light intensity drops below a certain value.  Thus dark clothes will attract them more quickly than light clothes. Exact value of this intensity, and many other interesting facts are given in ‘The Highland Midge’ a little booklet, which is, I believe, a shortened version of the author’s dissertation.  It is available in touristy shops. (I have no financial or other interests in this book.)  There are a lot of different types of midges, with wildly varying lifestyles and habitats. Kees PS For those in Edinburgh: there is a midge genus/type/model called    midge duddingstonii, or something to that effect, called after    Duddingston Loch.  A lot of repellent tests were done around    Achnashellach, prime midge country.  DEET still seems to be recognised    to be the most effective. — Kees Goossens                       Keep in Touch with the Dutch: University of Edinburgh, Scotland   UUCP:  ..!mcsun!uknet!dcs!kgg Wiskunde is bouwen in de geest. — Luitzen Egbertus Jan Brouwer.

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I have heard that if you eat garlic, it will help keep bugs away,   A few years ago, some friends and I decided to test the garlic theory.   There were 4 of us, and each evening I would grind up a dozen or so cloves for the soup.  

WHAT! NO CONTROL GROUP? ——- Ed.

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|If I remember correctly, "The Complete Wilderness Paddler" cites |actual scientific research on the clothing color question. |According to this book (an excellent book by the way), dark |colors attract mosquitoes more than light/bright colors.  Orange is |the best color to wear, followed by colors like yellow, green, white. Unfortunately orange is not the best color to wear when trying to catch that spooky german brown during the evening hatch.  Also, unfortunately when a #14 mosquito might be the best pattern, orange clothing might be the only thing you could where that would allow tolarable fishing conditions. There is this place in the southern part of Sequoia National forest where the mosquitos aren’t as bad as these little biting flies that come out around dusk.  If tying on a fly during failing light isn’t hard enough having a fly intrigued by the batting of your eyelashes makes it almost impossible. I’ve resigned to wearing a head net on such occasions.  That last time I was there we had just hiked out after a few days and were talking with a couple of guys that were waiting for it to cool off a little more before hiking in.  After one of them slapped his arm about the third or fourth time and said, "son of a bitch!",  I said, "you`ll be calling them worse than that before the trips over." — | John Fereira            "Is that all you ever think about?"                |

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According to this book (an excellent book by the way), dark colors attract mosquitoes more than light/bright colors.  Orange is the best color to wear, followed by colors like yellow, green, white.

   So that explains why all those hikers dressed like a flower are grinning so much.  And I thought it was ignorance.  (I guess it was ignorance – mine).  Still, I’m too macho to look like a spring garden. I’ll just wear my long-sleeved, dark-colored clothing, light up a stinking stogy (works on hikers too!) and head off into the forest. Woody

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Wasn’t there an article in one of the mags recently about backcountry etiquette with regards to bright clothing and equipment?  I guess I’m not suprised that bugs have better taste than some people. Scott Herod

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I have heard that if you eat garlic, it will help keep bugs away, but I eat a fair amount of garlic and it doesn’t seem to help.

   A few years ago, some friends and I decided to test the garlic theory.   There were 4 of us, and each evening I would grind up a dozen or so cloves for the soup.  In addition, I ate it raw with lunch (I like garlic).  Since our canoe trip lasted 14 days, we each consumed a good deal of the stuff.   It’s a good thing we never met anybody on the way.    Well, the bugs paid no attention at all; they were as vicious as ever. By 9 pm, the only thing to do was retreat to the tent and listen to the monsters buzz around.    Maybe you’re supposed to rub it on the skin … —        Computing and Communications Services                Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada K1S 5B6

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I have heard that if you eat garlic, it will help keep bugs away, but I eat a fair amount of garlic and it doesn’t seem to help.   Well, the bugs paid no attention at all; they were as vicious as ever. By 9 pm, the only thing to do was retreat to the tent and listen to the monsters buzz around.   Maybe you’re supposed to rub it on the skin …

This is the conclusion you were supposed to draw. The rumor was started by a gourmet bug club. — The fickleness of the women I love is only equalled by the infernal constancy of the women who love me.–George Bernard Shaw

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There are two things I’ve heard wrt keeping bugs at bay:  1) Vitamin B6 when consumed gives one an odor distasteful to bugs  2) Bugs prefer dark colours especially blue Has anyone out there heard concrete evidence to support or refute these statements? Should I ditch my navy blue shirt and buy a white one? Should I start popping B6 supplements?

If I remember correctly, "The Complete Wilderness Paddler" cites actual scientific research on the clothing color question. According to this book (an excellent book by the way), dark colors attract mosquitoes more than light/bright colors.  Orange is the best color to wear, followed by colors like yellow, green, white. Ed

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There are two things I’ve heard wrt keeping bugs at bay:   1) Vitamin B6 when consumed gives one an odor distasteful to bugs   2) Bugs prefer dark colours especially blue Has anyone out there heard concrete evidence to support or refute these statements? Should I ditch my navy blue shirt and buy a white one? Should I start popping B6 supplements?

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There are two things I’ve heard wrt keeping bugs at bay:  1) Vitamin B6 when consumed gives one an odor distasteful to bugs  2) Bugs prefer dark colours especially blue

My experience growing up in a rice-growing region indicates that mosquitoes definitely prefer dark colors.  I don’t know if blue is particularly more attractive to them than other colors.  Loose fitting light outer garments seem best.  Wear a light-colored hat. I have heard that if you eat garlic, it will help keep bugs away, but I eat a fair amount of garlic and it doesn’t seem to help. — *  Jean Ezell                 *  University of Illinois   * *                             *  Coordinated Science Lab  * *  (217) 244-5536             *  Urbana, IL  61801        *

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