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I was wondering what fishermen actually prefer from kayakers and canoeists. When paddling down stream, is it better for us to move to the opposite bank (furthest from you) or is it better to pass close to you so as not to spook fish? Any suggestions or guidelines would be greatly appreciated.
It depends upon how big the river is. If it’s pretty big, try to go to the opposite side of the water. If it’s small, I’d hold upstream a little and actually ask the fisherman. No spot on the river will actually be a good one for you, but some might be better than others. I’m doing most of my fishing on an urban reservoir now. The jetskiers and water skiers are becoming something of a problem. It’s illegal to operate one fast enough to create a wake within 150′ of a shore fisherman, but a number of them don’t seem to care. Maybe I should tuck my coupon book into my tackle box when I’m fishing. "No, sir, I wasn’t goofing off. I was conducting a stakeout for unsafe boating practices!" And I’m soooo sure he’d buy that. You spam my account, I nuke your ass. Simple enough.
I myself have been thinking of buying a canoe for fishing those waters where access is not very good and the waters too small for my jon boat. As far as having a canoe or kayak pass over the fish, and then waiting for them to recover, I’m sure the recovery period is a lot less than having a Bayliner with a couple of jerks on skis, or a couple of PWC (jet-skis) put your fish down. Some of the lakes I fish are so tore up from these inconsiderate morons, that the weeds are floating for several hours or days after a busy weekend. I could be fishing in a small bay and the idiots will have a whole lake to ski on, and for some reason they just have to find their way into that bay I’m fishing to scare the fish. No wonder I think of bringing the Ruger with me when I fish. < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < <
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As somebody who has been hit, almost hit and chased from the stream by a "fiberglass hatch" of jerks, I’d like to add my two cents worth. While being hit is not tolerable, we may as well get used to kayaks and canoes. Actually, I would like to get one or the other to fish streams with limited shore access. I think that fish in a water with lots of canoe&kayak traffic have to recover quickly after one passes over. They’d starve otherwise. Greg.
And why clip off the fly?? Some of those inconsiderate jerks would look nice with a royal wolff for and earring… < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < <
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pack a .44 magnum in your vest pocket. Take your testosterone powered bass buggy somewhere else. To pull out even a sling-shot could cost you more than you can imagine. Clipping off the fly and "accidentally" false casting close to the ear, now that may deliver the message without making a victim of the offender. Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!!!
Couldn’t have said it better myownself. <g PC – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stay as far away as possible Hi, I was wondering what fishermen actually prefer from kayakers and canoeists. When paddling down stream, is it better for us to move to the opposite bank (furthest from you) or is it better to pass close to you so as not to spook fish? Any suggestions or guidelines would be greatly appreciated. Just got back from the AuSable in Michigan (TR to follow.) Here’s a bit more into on the aluminum/fiberglass hatch and spooking fish. On Saturday, the temperature was in the high 80’s and the humidex was off the dial. Every bubba and his bubbette was rafting, kayaking, and canoeing down the AuSable right in front of the Gates Lodge. A body couldn’t squeeze a cast in between boats. Just downstream from Gates is the pullout point for the rentals and it siphons off about 95% of the bubba traffic (of which I became one on Sunday, but more on that later.) On Sunday, a front had blown through bringing rain, high winds and much colder temps. This took care of the vast majority of the canoeists (except for yours truly and his bubbette.) By the evening, I’m back on the water in my rightful position – standing in it not floating on it, and above the pullout point, I couldn’t buy a strike. Below the pullout there were plenty of fish. A full 24 hrs. after the bubba hatch, those upstream were still spooked. I spoke to the store owner this morning and he confirmed that a good bubba hatch will drive the fish down for quite a while. Maybe the occasional boat won’t shake things up much but it looks like a steady bubba hatch will put fish off for quite a while – at least 24 hrs. or more if this experience is anything to go by. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html
– Those who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.
Maybe they could ferry my Power Bait to a hole I can’t reach from the bank.
Now that the State no longer stocks catchables in streams and rivers, you don’t still use Powerbait, do you? From what I’ve seen, it’s not very effective for streambred fish. Willi
Hi, I was wondering what fishermen actually prefer from kayakers and canoeists. When paddling down stream, is it better for us to move to the opposite bank (furthest from you) or is it better to pass close to you so as not to spook fish? Any suggestions or guidelines would be greatly appreciated.
Just got back from the AuSable in Michigan (TR to follow.) Here’s a bit more into on the aluminum/fiberglass hatch and spooking fish. On Saturday, the temperature was in the high 80’s and the humidex was off the dial. Every bubba and his bubbette was rafting, kayaking, and canoeing down the AuSable right in front of the Gates Lodge. A body couldn’t squeeze a cast in between boats. Just downstream from Gates is the pullout point for the rentals and it siphons off about 95% of the bubba traffic (of which I became one on Sunday, but more on that later.) On Sunday, a front had blown through bringing rain, high winds and much colder temps. This took care of the vast majority of the canoeists (except for yours truly and his bubbette.) By the evening, I’m back on the water in my rightful position – standing in it not floating on it, and above the pullout point, I couldn’t buy a strike. Below the pullout there were plenty of fish. A full 24 hrs. after the bubba hatch, those upstream were still spooked. I spoke to the store owner this morning and he confirmed that a good bubba hatch will drive the fish down for quite a while. Maybe the occasional boat won’t shake things up much but it looks like a steady bubba hatch will put fish off for quite a while – at least 24 hrs. or more if this experience is anything to go by. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html
Stay as far away as possible – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I was wondering what fishermen actually prefer from kayakers and canoeists. When paddling down stream, is it better for us to move to the opposite bank (furthest from you) or is it better to pass close to you so as not to spook fish? Any suggestions or guidelines would be greatly appreciated. Just got back from the AuSable in Michigan (TR to follow.) Here’s a bit more into on the aluminum/fiberglass hatch and spooking fish. On Saturday, the temperature was in the high 80’s and the humidex was off the dial. Every bubba and his bubbette was rafting, kayaking, and canoeing down the AuSable right in front of the Gates Lodge. A body couldn’t squeeze a cast in between boats. Just downstream from Gates is the pullout point for the rentals and it siphons off about 95% of the bubba traffic (of which I became one on Sunday, but more on that later.) On Sunday, a front had blown through bringing rain, high winds and much colder temps. This took care of the vast majority of the canoeists (except for yours truly and his bubbette.) By the evening, I’m back on the water in my rightful position – standing in it not floating on it, and above the pullout point, I couldn’t buy a strike. Below the pullout there were plenty of fish. A full 24 hrs. after the bubba hatch, those upstream were still spooked. I spoke to the store owner this morning and he confirmed that a good bubba hatch will drive the fish down for quite a while. Maybe the occasional boat won’t shake things up much but it looks like a steady bubba hatch will put fish off for quite a while – at least 24 hrs. or more if this experience is anything to go by. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html
I think if they’d just show their tits it would solve a lot or problems. — The Halfordian Golfer
While being hit is not tolerable, we may as well get used to kayaks and canoes. Actually, I would like to get one or the other to fish streams with limited shore access. I think that fish in a water with lots of canoe&kayak traffic have to recover quickly after one passes over. They’d starve otherwise.
Maybe they could ferry my Power Bait to a hole I can’t reach from the bank. — TBone Walker The Halfordian Golfer
(copied from above) Afraid I can’t offer a real plan for dealing with these folks. There doesn’t seem to be a reasonable, effective response. Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!!!
Just showing you a reasonable, EFFECTIVE response. And if you can’t find the humor in what I posted… < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < <
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Pack a .44 magnum in your vest pocket. Take your testosterone powered bass buggy somewhere else. To pull out even a sling-shot could cost you more than you can imagine. Clipping off the fly and "accidentally" false casting close to the ear, now that may deliver the message without making a victim of the offender. Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!!!
Any suggestions or guidelines would be greatly appreciated. Best thing wood be to merely take a break as your canoein’ friends pass by!! It’s NOT really all that big of a deal when you think about it! trout — I come here for the education, I stay for the amusement. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I was wondering what fishermen actually prefer from kayakers and canoeists. When paddling down stream, is it better for us to move to the opposite bank (furthest from you) or is it better to pass close to you so as not to spook fish? Any suggestions or guidelines would be greatly appreciated.
I’m with you on this one. Op
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any suggestions or guidelines would be greatly appreciated. Best thing wood be to merely take a break as your canoein’ friends pass by!! It’s NOT really all that big of a deal when you think about it! trout — I come here for the education, I stay for the amusement. Hi, I was wondering what fishermen actually prefer from kayakers and canoeists. When paddling down stream, is it better for us to move to the opposite bank (furthest from you) or is it better to pass close to you so as not to spook fish? Any suggestions or guidelines would be greatly appreciated.
Pack a .44 magnum in your vest pocket.
Take your testosterone powered bass buggy somewhere else. To pull out even a sling-shot could cost you more than you can imagine. Clipping off the fly and "accidentally" false casting close to the ear, now that may deliver the message without making a victim of the offender. Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!!!
These two rules I agree with 1,000,000,000,000 % ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < < <
(snip – snip) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rule #4 – when you ruin my day as you float by, don’t smile and say, "How’s the fishing?" I’m likely to tell you. Rule #5 – if you’re planning a big event that’ll take over a river, publicize it at the local fishing shops – then I’ll know to stay home.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I never seem to have a problem with kayakers who are fishing. They seem to be the more knowledgable. Canoeist tend to be worse and the very worst are the fairly new and occasional recreation kayakers. I’ve actually had these later types paddle over from across 200 feet of river and paddle around me while asking about the fishing. They just seemed to want to get the most out of their "wilderness" experience. No amount of verbal abuse shakes these types, they just get their nose out of joint because you made their day less pleasant. Tubers are totally self-absorbed and could care less about anything or anyone else on the water. Nothing you can do or say, short of causing yourself a good deal of trouble, has any influence on this crowd. What really torques me about most of these people is that the waters I fish which also supports floaters, is plenty big for rafters, boaters, and tubers to pass well away from the few wading fishermen they pass. Afraid I can’t offer a real plan for dealing with these folks. There doesn’t seem to be a reasonable, effective response. Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!!!
I never seem to have a problem with kayakers who are fishing. They seem to be the more knowledgable. Canoeist tend to be worse and the very worst are the fairly new and occasional recreation kayakers. I’ve actually had these later types paddle over from across 200 feet of river and paddle around me while asking about the fishing. They just seemed to want to get the most out of their "wilderness" experience. No amount of verbal abuse shakes these types, they just get their nose out of joint because you made their day less pleasant. Tubers are totally self-absorbed and could care less about anything or anyone else on the water. Nothing you can do or say, short of causing yourself a good deal of trouble, has any influence on this crowd. What really torques me about most of these people is that the waters I fish which also supports floaters, is plenty big for rafters, boaters, and tubers to pass well away from the few wading fishermen they pass. Afraid I can’t offer a real plan for dealing with these folks. There doesn’t seem to be a reasonable, effective response. Wayne to fish is human….to release Divine!!!
I prefer to pass farther away (I paddle mostly where bait casters are), but if that line is going to put me in a bad current or into a power boat lane, I’ll just apologize and go by the fisherman. As a fisherperson myself, I don’t worry too much about spooking the fish. I have observed them while fishing in very clear waters, while swimming, and while just siting around. Unless there’s a real overabundance of fishermen, in which case the paddlers have little to do with it, they will spook, but will be back in 5 to 10 minutes. I’ve tried to spook some wild (for many decades of generations. No stocking done in at least 20 years, maybe more like 40) trout in a fairly heavily fished stream at one of the most popular pools (It was a late Sunday afternoon and I was the only one there, btw.). Only way I’ve found it can be done is to stand up and skyline yourself. Noise? No problem. Vibrations on the bank? No problem. Swinging your arms around? Flailing your lure wildly? No problem. Let them see you standing up, even a child standing up, and they’re gone. For as long as their tiny brains can remember danger versus food. About 5 to 10 minutes on average. Bream and Walleye and Pike vary. Bream are about 5 minutes, Walleye and Pike about 15. I have no clue on Bass. Bass tend to be under cover and hard to watch, even in very clear water. Carp and Suckers are about 5 to 10. Now if you’re going down a popular paddling river and there’s a canoe passing the fisherman every 10 to 20 minutes or less, yes, it’ll be bad for him. Not earth shaking where I am as I tend to fish and paddle in MN and WI, where there are lots of places to do both or either. The very few relatively crowded trout rivers I’ve gone on do not have paddlers (well, I did once see some tourons risking hypothermia in the evening in a rubber raft. That water is cold* and they had no warm or dry gear along.). If, however, I went to the Montana mountain streams to trout fish, I’d be a bit bummed to have some wild paddling action going on all over the river. But if I were on one of the kayaking rivers out East (Natuhala? Something like that) I’d be checking for dam releases and going somewhere else when there were some, because it’d be nothing but ‘yaks and rafts and inflatables all day long. I’d rather not fish than spend my day getting pissed off. Then again, I tend to drive the speed limit or under and stay in the right hand lane, just to preserve my temper. Hi, I was wondering what fishermen actually prefer from kayakers and canoeists. When paddling down stream, is it better for us to move to the opposite bank (furthest from you) or is it better to pass close to you so as not to spook fish? Any suggestions or guidelines would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi, I was wondering what fishermen actually prefer from kayakers and canoeists. When paddling down stream, is it better for us to move to the opposite bank (furthest from you) or is it better to pass close to you so as not to spook fish? Any suggestions or guidelines would be greatly appreciated.
Somebody else has already pointed out, we don’t "share" the water with kayakers – they have it – we leave. As somebody who has been hit, almost hit and chased from the stream by a "fiberglass hatch" of jerks, I’d like to add my two cents worth. Rule #1 – go behind the angler – the fish are in front of him. Rule #2 – go somewhere else. I’m not being facetious. Anglers are constrained by a large number of factors, fishing regulations, private property, water conditions, etc. OTOH, a kayaker can go anywhere there’s enough water to float his boat. Don’t float prime fishing water during the best part of the fishing season. There’s plenty of other water for you to use. Rule #3 – Learn to control your boat. The dickhead that ran into me could’ve broken my leg. Rule #4 – when you ruin my day as you float by, don’t smile and say, "How’s the fishing?" I’m likely to tell you. Rule #5 – if you’re planning a big event that’ll take over a river, publicize it at the local fishing shops – then I’ll know to stay home. HTH Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://members.home.net/pcharles/streamers/index.html
Ken, Now it’s bothering me. I know that I’ve heard or read your name before. Do you post elsewhere? Thanks, Doug – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Doug Hall Doug, You don’t by any chance teach at Portland State do you? - Ken
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Doug, You don’t by any chance teach at Portland State do you? - Ken
in my part of the world,(SW Va.)there are many float fishermen. When floating and fishing should the boat give right of way to the wading fisherman? I think so…the float fisherman will cover a helluva lot more water than the one wading. It rarely happens though. I too have had jerks come way to close to me throwing them damn rackety ass buzz baits. Makes for some well placed false casts, if you know what I mean. Tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering what fishermen actually prefer from kayakers and canoeists. When paddling down stream, is it better for us to move to the opposite bank (furthest from you) or is it better to pass close to you so as not to spook fish? Any suggestions or guidelines would be greatly appreciated. On a large enough river, it’s best if you stay as far away as possible. Most of the time, a fisherman will be casting to a fish less than 40 feet away. On a smaller river, where the fisherman can easily cast to either bank, it ain’t gonna matter. Not only your shadow, but any noise or water disturbance will spook a wary fish. Just pass by as smoothly and quietly as possible with an apologetic "I’m sorry I f*cked up your pool" expression on your face. Although we realize we sometimes have to share a river with other uses, it’s not really sharing. Kayakers can paddle where we fish, but we can’t fish where they paddle. Thanks for asking. Joe F.
Michael, Lets see, if you only go down the river between the hours of 8:30 to 9:15 a.m. and then we’ll allow you another 12 minutes in the afternoon, unless there’s a hatch going on. Other than that, stay off our rivers, because flyfishing is the ONLY acceptable use for all rivers:). No, but really, just the fact that you are trying to be polite and a simple "excuse me" or any normal courtesy should do. Just like passing someone in a small hallway. I’m sure that there will be those who feel that they have exclusive right to the river (and I’m also sure that I will hear from them) but even flyfisherman have to share the river. Maybe we should be apologizing for blocking the whole damn river with our casting? I think that some people should take their sports a little less serious. It’s supposed to be about fun, and if a fish gets put down occasionally, oh well. It’s happened to me more than a few times. I got over it and so will they. Thanks for asking. Doug Hall
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I was wondering what fishermen actually prefer from kayakers and canoeists. When paddling down stream, is it better for us to move to the opposite bank (furthest from you) or is it better to pass close to you so as not to spook fish? Any suggestions or guidelines would be greatly appreciated.
On a large enough river, it’s best if you stay as far away as possible. Most of the time, a fisherman will be casting to a fish less than 40 feet away. On a smaller river, where the fisherman can easily cast to either bank, it ain’t gonna matter. Not only your shadow, but any noise or water disturbance will spook a wary fish. Just pass by as smoothly and quietly as possible with an apologetic "I’m sorry I f*cked up your pool" expression on your face. Although we realize we sometimes have to share a river with other uses, it’s not really sharing. Kayakers can paddle where we fish, but we can’t fish where they paddle. Thanks for asking. Joe F.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering what fishermen actually prefer from kayakers and canoeists. When paddling down stream, is it better for us to move to the opposite bank (furthest from you) or is it better to pass close to you so as not to spook fish? Any suggestions or guidelines would be greatly appreciated. On a large enough river, it’s best if you stay as far away as possible. Most of the time, a fisherman will be casting to a fish less than 40 feet away. On a smaller river, where the fisherman can easily cast to either bank, it ain’t gonna matter. Not only your shadow, but any noise or water disturbance will spook a wary fish. Just pass by as smoothly and quietly as possible with an apologetic "I’m sorry I f*cked up your pool" expression on your face. Although we realize we sometimes have to share a river with other uses, it’s not really sharing. Kayakers can paddle where we fish, but we can’t fish where they paddle. Thanks for asking. Joe F.
Hi, I was wondering what fishermen actually prefer from kayakers and canoeists. When paddling down stream, is it better for us to move to the opposite bank (furthest from you) or is it better to pass close to you so as not to spook fish? Any suggestions or guidelines would be greatly appreciated.
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Thanks Possibly I can get a answer from IGFA before we go. I can almost see it going either way – Actually I guess its not very different from the way most tube flies are constructed since the head and front fly is mounted on the shock tippet. On my tubes I am using 90# wire with the 2nd tube between the 2 tandem hooks and then attaching the leading hook to the shock with a cinch knot and placing a foam head and the leading tube mounted on the shock tippet. I am using owner AKI’s so the snelling doesn’t work – they don’t have turned up eyes like the octopus hooks he’s using. He’s not really planning on conforming to IGFA anyways and is planning to use 3-4′ shocks. I was just intrigued by the simplicity of his rigs. On the landing: On all my gear trips the standard has been to "leader" a billfish to boat to be released or brought in for pictures, but on standard gear the leader is like 10′ long. I am planning to use about 4′-5′ total leader including class and shock. I seem to recall reading somewhere, or being told by a captain, that a billfish was "caught" or the "landing phase starts" when either the leader or class tippet went inside the first guide or something. After that the mate could leader the fish to control it while gaffing, netting, billing or releasing. Reeling down to the class shouldn’t be a major problem, but trying to "leader" a billfish at 3′-4′ sounds very dangerous. On most of my other offshore flyfishing experiences we were either gaffing or netting the fish so, it wasn’t much of an issue using very short leaders. I hope to get to read an actual IGFA book this weekend – maybe it will clarify the specifics. Thanks again for the info.
Hello I also submitted this question to the Igfa site under construction but I don’t know if they are set up to give responses yet. I was wondering what the IGFA states concerning Shock tippets and tandem flies. It’s my understanding that the shock tippet length can be up to 12" to the eye of the leading hook on a tandem fly and the max distance between tandem hooks on a fly is 6" eye to eye. 1. Does the shock tippet require a separate connection at the fly or can the shock leader be snelled to the first hook then the tag end of the same line be attached to the back hook? That would total 18" of the same shock tippet – class to trailing hook. If I understand what you mean, no. The best rule of thumb is to use tackle that won’t raise eyebrows, i.e., "usual and customary" (and taint a record with the "technical record" charge). A friend of mine is rigging some flies like this for Billfish. Although the fly would only have "one shot" (until the shock tippet was damaged) the connection is very clean, straight running, and seems to give an extra 6" of shock. See above. Also I have another nagging basic question. 2. When is a fish considered "caught" on fly gear – so someone else can touch the line or leader and assist in the landing or releasing the fish. Is the when the leader goes in the rod tip? the class line, the shock? something else? Absolutely no touching the leader before the fish is "landed" and only in gaffing or netting. If someone else helps before the fish is brought to gaff, DQ. The above is solely my opinion, based on my knowledge only (I’ve read the rules, and have only a passing knowledge, I don’t fish for record/trophy anymore). If you are going for record, you captain should have a working and ready knowledge, as well as a copy of the rulebook to refer to. If you are going on a bareboat for record, get a copy of the rules from the IGFA (they are in Ft. Lauderdale – 561 area code). HTH? R
Thanks Anyone have a URL for the IGFA fly fishing rules online? I tried www.igfa.org - under construction Does anyone have the rules posted on their pages? Thanks Google turned up this one: http://www.wolfffishing.com/ingamfisasru.html — Charlie…
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello I also summited this question to the Igfa site under construction but I don’t know if they are set up to give responces yet. I was wondering what the IGFA states concerning Shock tippets and tandem flies. It’s my understanding that the shock tippet length can be up to 12" to the eye of the leading hook on a tandem fly and the max distance between tandem hooks on a fly is 6" eye to eye. 1. Does the shock tippet require a separate connection at the fly or can the shock leader be snelled to the first hook then the tag end of the same line be attached to the back hook? That would total 18" of the same shock tippet – class to trailing hook.
If I understand what you mean, no. THe best rule of thumb is to use tackle that won’t raise eyebrows, i.e., "usual and customary" (and taint a record with the "technical record" charge). A friend of mine is rigging some flies like this for Billfish. Although the fly would only have "one shot" (until the shock tippet was damaged) the connection is very clean, straight running, and seems to give an extra 6" of shock.
See above. Also I have another nagging basic question. 2. When is a fish considered "caught" on fly gear – so someone else can touch the line or leader and assist in the landing or releasing the fish. Is the when the leader goes in the rod tip? the class line, the shock? something else?
Absolutely no touching the leader before the fish is "landed" and only in gaffing or netting. If someone else helps before the fish is brought to gaff, DQ. The above is solely my opinion, based on my knowledge only (I’ve read the rules, and have only a passing knowledge, I don’t fish for record/trophy anymore). If you are going for record, you captain should have a working and ready knowledge, as well as a copy of the rulebook to refer to. If you are going on a bareboat for record, get a copy of the rules from the IGFA (they are in Ft. Lauderdale – 561 area code). HTH? R
Anyone have a URL for the IGFA fly fishing rules online? I tried www.igfa.org - under construction Does anyone have the rules posted on their pages? Thanks
Anyone have a URL for the IGFA fly fishing rules online? I tried www.igfa.org - under construction Does anyone have the rules posted on their pages? Thanks
No, but rule did you need info on? R
Anyone have a URL for the IGFA fly fishing rules online? I tried www.igfa.org - under construction Does anyone have the rules posted on their pages? Thanks
Google turned up this one: http://www.wolfffishing.com/ingamfisasru.html — Charlie…
Hello I also summited this question to the Igfa site under construction but I don’t know if they are set up to give responces yet. I was wondering what the IGFA states concerning Shock tippets and tandem flies. It’s my understanding that the shock tippet length can be up to 12" to the eye of the leading hook on a tandem fly and the max distance between tandem hooks on a fly is 6" eye to eye. 1. Does the shock tippet require a separate connection at the fly or can the shock leader be snelled to the first hook then the tag end of the same line be attached to the back hook? That would total 18" of the same shock tippet – class to trailing hook. A friend of mine is rigging some flies like this for Billfish. Although the fly would only have "one shot" (until the shock tippet was damaged) the connection is very clean, straight running, and seems to give an extra 6" of shock. Also I have another nagging basic question. 2. When is a fish considered "caught" on fly gear – so someone else can touch the line or leader and assist in the landing or releasing the fish. Is the when the leader goes in the rod tip? the class line, the shock? something else? Thanks for any insights you might have on these questions Anyone have a URL for the IGFA fly fishing rules online? I tried www.igfa.org - under construction Does anyone have the rules posted on their pages? Thanks
No, but rule did you need info on? R
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Aye Chris Richer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So lets do it, henceforth no replies to obvious political rants or other similar inflammatory trolls. All agreed say "aye". This is not moderation or control, just good sense and self defence. You are right, otherwise ROFF will be ruined. Mike Connor
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Thanks for the spelling lesson. At some point you agreed that you were guilty of the very act that you are trying to correct. Yes, in other words you saw the shit, and you went up to it and firmly planted your two feet right in the middle. Yes, am I correct here? I too, saw the same shit, and it had a foul smell, so I walked around it and now it’s on your boots and not mine. It is strange how we choose our pathways in life. I’m not perfect mind you. This is the third winter that I’ve hung here and every winter it is the same thing. Tempers start getting hot and the rhetoric gets heated on one or more issues. You and I are blessed the we have mild winters compared to some of the others in the group. Even the lack of real sunshine can have a dreary effect on the soul. The best way to avoid a fight is not to be there in the first. I choose to have some distance. At least my boots stay cleaner for longer periods. Well, did my spelling improve? — Doug Knight metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.
i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion. when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman. the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens. egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation. in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation. i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place. the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this? wayno
Please, Mr. Harrison, restrain yourself. Such commentary, though warranted, accurate, and constructive, has a downside. The applause that you keep commanding of us keeps our hands too busy to type and keeps waking the baby! 
— Andy "Barely Older than Gink" Engle Charlotte, NC
Please, Mr. Harrison, restrain yourself. Such commentary, though warranted, accurate, and constructive, has a downside. The applause that you keep commanding of us keeps our hands too busy to type and keeps waking the baby! — Andy "Barely Older than Gink" Engle Charlotte, NC
It must be the water here in NC. Good stuff. Andy, where do you fish? If you’re ever up this way….get in touch. –Walt
HEAR HEAR! Wayne To fish is human…To release divine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion. when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman. the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens. egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation. in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation. i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place. the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this? wayno
snip< when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman. the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens.
This is truly one of the shortcomings of the written word. A good natured jibe at a fellow fisherman across a campfire can be a subject of great mirth and camraderie; but as we’ve seen in this medium, the same remark in lifeless print can be a grievous insult. We all would do well to twice read what we’ve written before posting it. more good stuff snipped< i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place. the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this?
Wayno is right on here. We all have genuine personal opinions on social and political issues which directly influence our fly fishing lives, and I agree that these subjects are valid topics of discussion here. Trolling for an argument, however, has been breeding a level of dishonesty here that I too have found disturbing. We have no faces here, only our opinions and advice. If one trolls for a response by posting opinions that do not truly represent who they are, how are we to get to know them? How are we to trust their opinions on other subjects? Trolling is dishonest and it breeds mistrust. It lowers my estimation of the perpetrator. If you have an opinion, I’d love to hear it and discuss it with you, but don’t yank my chain and waste my time for your own amusement. Many posters here seem to know others personally. Most of us, however, do not have that honor, and must get to know you through what you post. Wayno is right that we waste a lot of energy ranting & trolling. This NG, more than any other I’ve read, seems to be populated by real people, my kind of people, people I wouldn’t mind sharing a bottle with. We spend too muct time wasting that. Joe
Please, Mr. Harrison, restrain yourself. Such commentary, though warranted, accurate, and constructive, has a downside. The applause that you keep commanding of us keeps our hands too busy to type and keeps waking the baby! — Andy "Barely Older than Gink" Engle Charlotte, NC
Yep. Look at it this way: if you were in your favorite flyfishing shop, standing around with about 10 folks, what topics would you want to bullship about, and how would talk about those topics. I sure as hell wouldn’t bring up politics or religion, and if I was discussing logging’s impact on the fishery I wouldn’t be suggesting that we go out and spike some trees for an afternoon’s entertainment. Mark Faulkner
i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place. the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this?
I doubt it. There will always be disagreements, we just have to learn how to discuss such topics in a non face-to-face medium without turning the issue into personal attacks. There are such vast differences between posters here in age, education level, location, work, background that thinking that you can stop disagreements is not realistic. Later, - Ken
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place. the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this? I doubt it. There will always be disagreements, we just have to learn how to discuss such topics in a non face-to-face medium without turning the issue into personal attacks. There are such vast differences between posters here in age, education level, location, work, background that thinking that you can stop disagreements is not realistic. Later, – Ken
actually, kj, that’s not my point. i know we can’t avoid "disagreements"; in fact, "disagreements", including heated ones, can be quite entertaining and educational. it’s just that there are a very few (again, politics and religion, specifically) that seem to engender vicious diatribes, or quickly dissolve into mindless personal quibbles. therefore, i propose to simply not create or contribute to threads containing subject matter of this nature. wayno
Joe writes replying to Wayno: <<Wayno is right on here. We all have genuine personal opinions on social and political issues which directly influence our fly fishing lives, and I agree that these subjects are valid topics of discussion here. Trolling for an argument, however, has been breeding a level of dishonesty here that (more good stuff snipped) I agree. I could never understand why someone would troll. Hell, it sure ain’t fly fishing. To "pull someones chain", cause them embarass- ment because they sincerely answered a "troll", is not the sign of a true sportsman. I have more than contributed my fair share of political rhetoric on these pages, but I don’t think I have ever trolled. Sitting around a campfire teasing and trolling is a lot different than doing it online. Dave LaCourse
NO MORE WHINING, PLEASE! (hehe) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion. when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman. the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens. egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation. in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation. i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place. the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this? wayno
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have always thought that the only subjects that should truly be off limits on roff are politics and religion. when statements are made without the benefit of face to face human contact, they become, literally, inhuman. the nuances of human interaction disappear in this medium, and friends quickly become strangers as the lifeless letters are pounded onto these screens. egos go unchecked as the power to say what you please as often as you wish is unlimited by the power of personal confrontation. in short, if we are to continue to enjoy the wonders of this medium and, especially, of this most excellent group of posters here at roff, i regretfully believe that we should make an effort at self-moderation. i am afraid that if we don’t voluntarily abstain from intiating or engaging in socio-political rants or trolls we are going to ruin this place. the positive energy available here is too valuable to lose. can we do this? wayno
refrain from doing so any more. dumb bastards. George ‘kill the world for a job: Visit: http://www.gink.com
This is truly one of the shortcomings of the written word. A good natured jibe at a fellow fisherman across a campfire can be a subject of great mirth and camraderie; but as we’ve seen in this medium, the same remark in lifeless print can be a grievous insult. We all would do well to twice read what we’ve written before posting it.
Yep. Look at it this way: if you were in your favorite flyfishing shop, standing around with about 10 folks, what topics would you want to bullship about, and how would talk about those topics. I sure as hell wouldn’t bring up politics or religion, and if I was discussing logging’s impact on the fishery I wouldn’t be suggesting that we go out and spike some trees for an afternoon’s entertainment. Mark Faulkner
guessing and our remaining Virgin Forests would be saved for the children of the future? We are past reality regarding when forests are endangered. It is now time to stop the carnage. What does it take to do it? Trees without spikes for life in them? New bumper sticker: "TREES! Spiked for life!" not – "Chainsaw Employment Forever" —
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fish » Where to Fly Fish in Central New York
Anyone know good spots in the Utica / Rome /Herkimer area?? Thanks Dave
Dave, West Canada Creek is pretty good, as is Fly Creek between Cooperstown and Index on Rte 28. If you head a little farther down into the Oneonta – Morris area both Otego Creek (Rte 205 & Cty Rte 11) and Butternut Creek in Morris right next to the Fairgrounds are also pretty good for small steam fishing. Hope this helps C. Segina
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Norwegian flyfishing?
Anyone have any information regarding river and streem fishing in southern Norway? Will be in Norway this summer and need some hints.
Hi Tobias, Where in southern Norway? Do You have access to a car? What species? Brown trout, grayling, Atlantic salmon, searun browns ? Odd N. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have any information regarding river and streem fishing in southern Norway? Will be in Norway this summer and need some hints.
We have some Norwegian links on our site – go down the "Waterlog" magazine route and check out the links page. Andrew Andrew N. Herd Associate Editor, Waterlog Magazine http://www.demon.co.uk/medlarpress/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone have any information regarding river and streem fishing in southern Norway? Will be in Norway this summer and need some hints.
Anyone have any information regarding river and streem fishing in southern Norway? Will be in Norway this summer and need some hints.
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Trout Fly Fishing » Campfire Snagging
Low impact fires in wilderness areas are essential to the experience where legal. Especially if your whipping up some fresh trout burrittos. heavy emphasis on LOW IMPACT. Snagging Kokanee is a great way to get good, relatively wild, fresh food. While snagging Kokanee in Gross Res. quite a few years ago I accidentally snagged a 15" rainbow. The fish was in bad shape. I mean it was ripped almost in half. I was putting a bit of umph into my snagging back then. Knowing the regs, I "released" the carcass back into the water immediately. Wouldn’t that fish have been be better spent in the bushes where one of our furry fish eating critters might have benefitted? JE
Snagging Kokanee is a great way to get good, relatively wild, fresh food. While snagging Kokanee in Gross Res. quite a few years ago I accidentally snagged a 15" rainbow. The fish was in bad shape. I mean it was ripped almost in half. I was putting a bit of umph into my snagging back then. Knowing the regs, I "released" the carcass back into the water immediately. Wouldn’t that fish have been be better spent in the bushes where one of our furry fish eating critters might have benefitted?
- if you had trolled for kokanee with the same vigour you do for flames the sorry incident wouldn’t have happened; and you wouldn’t have to ask such a stupid question. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply.
Ralph’s reaction: – if you had trolled for kokanee with the same vigour you do for flames the sorry incident wouldn’t have happened; and you wouldn’t have to ask such a stupid question. Ralph H remove "(take_this_out)" for email reply. I am stupid. Very very stupid. But the question? It’s just a question. Now, The Kokanee in Colorado do not reproduce in the wild and die naturally after their third or fourth season. Harvest them while they’re firm. There is good reason why the limit on snagged kokes is 40. Rec.outdoors.fishing.snag. That’d be a hell fire newsgroup aye? Sorry Ralph. I’ll be quiet now. JE
Knowing the regs, I "released" the carcass back into the water immediately. Wouldn’t that fish have been be better spent in the bushes where one of our furry fish eating critters might have benefitted?
I am sure that they could retrieve it from the water on their own if the needed. You did the right thing. Regards, J. Webb Atlanta Mac User Group
*SNIP* Snagging Kokanee is a great way to get good, relatively wild, fresh food. While snagging Kokanee in Gross Res. quite a few years ago I accidentally snagged a 15" rainbow. The fish was in bad shape. I mean it was ripped almost in half. I was putting a bit of umph into my snagging back then. Knowing the regs, I "released" the carcass back into the water immediately. Wouldn’t that fish have been be better spent in the bushes where one of our furry fish eating critters might have benefitted?
Hi Jon, Don’t think that trout was wasted. Even though you didn’t get to eat it, nor did your/our furry friends, the algae and aquatic insects in the water did. It’s energy was recycled into the eco-system from which it came. It just takes a place at the bottom of the aquatic food chain instead of at the top of it. If there are bears in your area, tossing fish in the bushes could also cause a problem with bears associating people with food. That is never a good scenario and is a very real problem in CA. I hate to see incidental mortality like you describe, but when you’re snagging fish that’s going to happen. I don’t like snagging and wouldn’t do it myself unless it was to keep from starving (big difference between subsistance and sport), but if it’s legal in your area, you have a right to do so. The law requiring you to put back the incidentally caught trout is actually a good one. If it allowed keeping incidentally snagged trout, pretty soon there would be a regular contingent out there specifically targeting the "incidental" trout. Good Fishing, Dan Dan Gracia Orvis West Coast Fly Fishing Schools
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing » Key West in April
I have an opportunity to fish the Keys in April. I’ve done the flats in May and light tackle blue water in December, both were great. What am I in store for in April? Any "shouldn’t miss" suggestions? -Chuck –
I have an opportunity to fish the Keys in April. I’ve done the flats in May and light tackle blue water in December, both were great. What am I in store for in April? Any "shouldn’t miss" suggestions? -Chuck –
April/May/June and Oct/Nov are good months for flats fishing in the Keys. April is the start of the tarpon fishing in the Keys. You can fish for bonefish and permit also. I think May is the heart of the tarpon fishing with most of the best guides all booked up. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY
I have an opportunity to fish the Keys in April. I’ve done the flats in May and light tackle blue water in December, both were great. What am I in store for in April? Any "shouldn’t miss" suggestions? -Chuck –
Chuck, April is a great month to fish because the permit are still thick and any calm days offer an opportunity for tarpon. Also the water’s not too hot to keep bonefish from coming up on the flats during the middle of the day (as it can be June-August. One more positive is that most people don’t realize how good the fishing is–as compared to the frenzy of May/June–so there’s not quite so much competition for fishing spots. Terrific permit fishing lasts up through the first two weeks of April and can last into late April if the wind keeps blowing. Serious numbers of tarpon will migrate through toward the end of the month, but you’re more likely to get great fishing in April because the fish will not have been beat on and tend to eat better. Hope this helps. Marshall Cutchin
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Fly Fishing Flies » New AUSTRALIAN Fishing WWW.
We are very pleased to announce the all new, FISHINTERNET AUSTRALIA http://www.fishnet.com.au/ This internet service is dedicated to the Australian recreational fishing scene. Sections cover all aspects of fishing in Australia with excellent information resources, fishing reports from around the country, full directory of all tackle shops, marine dealers, charters, guides, resorts etc. Please let us know what you think of this new service. Regards, David Dryden Fishinternet Australia http://www.fishnet.com.au/
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are very pleased to announce the all new, FISHINTERNET AUSTRALIA http://www.fishnet.com.au/ This internet service is dedicated to the Australian recreational fishing scene. Sections cover all aspects of fishing in Australia with excellent information resources, fishing reports from around the country, full directory of all tackle shops, marine dealers, charters, guides, resorts etc. Please let us know what you think of this new service. Regards, David Dryden Fishinternet Australia http://www.fishnet.com.au/
I checked your page. It looks good. Can you help me with advice on fly-fishing for Barramundi in the Cairns / Port Douglas area, or even further north into Cape York. I’ve heard this is something of a new frontier in salt water fly fishing and that the Barramunid is excellent quarry. I will be in the area for 2 weeks in September. I’d like to know about seasons, flies, techniques, guides, etc. Thanks. Christopher Payne.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are very pleased to announce the all new, FISHINTERNET AUSTRALIA http://www.fishnet.com.au/ This internet service is dedicated to the Australian recreational fishing scene. Sections cover all aspects of fishing in Australia with excellent information resources, fishing reports from around the country, full directory of all tackle shops, marine dealers, charters, guides, resorts etc. Please let us know what you think of this new service. Regards, David Dryden Fishinternet Australia http://www.fishnet.com.au/ I checked your page. It looks good. Can you help me with advice on fly-fishing for Barramundi in the Cairns / Port Douglas area, or even further north into Cape York. I’ve heard this is something of a new frontier in salt water fly fishing and that the Barramunid is excellent quarry. I will be in the area for 2 weeks in September. I’d like to know about seasons, flies, techniques, guides, etc. Thanks. Christopher Payne. Can you assure me of the availability of that nectar of the gods known
as Crown Lager Beer, its to die for. CL – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
Fly Fishing Fisherman Wiki » Flyfishing » Prodigy "Updated " software
A few weeks ago when I signed on, Prodigy informed me that they were downloading updated software. They claimed that this was going to speed up searching and reading files. Since then, my "updated" Prodigy seems to take twice as long. All this waiting time is billed at $3/Hr. Is it my imagination or is the service worse than before? Now, I double click a FF post and it seems like about 2 minutes before I see anything. Anyone else have similar problem? If I look at 10 posts and have to wait 2 min each, thats 20 min or about a dollar per session. Something stinks about this "update" in my book. Dale Owens
A few weeks ago when I signed on, Prodigy informed me that they were downloading updated software. They claimed that this was going to speed up searching and reading files. Since then, my "updated" Prodigy seems to take twice as long. All this waiting time is billed at $3/Hr. Is it my imagination or is the service worse than before? Now, I double click a FF post and it seems like about 2 minutes before I see anything. Anyone else have similar problem? If I look at 10 posts and have to wait 2 min each, thats 20 min or about a dollar per session. Something stinks about this "update" in my book. Dale Owens
Poor Dale,(and you really will be at those rates!) I would look around for a better deal on internet connection. Here in Nova Scotia, we pay $25/mo. for 50 hours service plus $1/hr overtime from NSTN. Also do you have Free Agent Beta v0.55 yet? http://www.forteinc.com/forte/ This will definitely save you time and money you could be spending on flyfishing. Good luck, Warren Dobson
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Owens) writes: A few weeks ago when I signed on, Prodigy informed me that they were downloading updated software. They claimed that this was going to speed up searching and reading files. Since then, my "updated" Prodigy seems to take twice as long. All this waiting time is billed at $3/Hr. Is it my imagination or is the service worse than before? Now, I double click a FF post and it seems like about 2 minutes before I see anything. Anyone else have similar problem? If I look at 10 posts and have to wait 2 min each, thats 20 min or about a dollar per session. Something stinks about this "update" in my book. Dale Owens
My advice is; if you enjoy the internet, scrap Prodigy and find a real Internet provider. They’re becomming a dime a dozen. Ben