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I picked up 3 sets of different color at the Maryland Fair this last weekend (tough getting my shopping done while proposing to Cathy Beck).  Tom, try dubbing the body with your favorite bug color.  I have sulphurs, grey foxes, BWOs, tan caddis, black caddis, green caddis all just by messing with the wing color and body dubbing.  Lets see, 3 bucks for 2 feet makes about 150 flies vs the cost of grade A hackle for the same amount of flies. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  I’m planning on buying a big bag-o-feet at Somerset next weekend. –Stan

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Stan writes: The ‘good’ tiers ended up with very tight smooth bodies on their flies, mine are sparse and ratty,

and yours would resemble the original, as I have seen it. If the thread doesn’t show through the translucent, somewhat coarse snowshoe fur, the effect is different. Not wrong, per se, but different. The body should be on the thick side, but this is a "ratty" looking fly. I love snowshoe hare feet.

For duns, and caddis, you cannot beat the stuff for a low floating durable tie. With a few handling tricks, small duns and midges and such are easily done as well.                             Tom L

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Frank writes: , try dubbing the body with your favorite bug color

you’re right, Frank. Just ask Willi, I’ve been doing this for years. The Usual was selected for the swap to bring the swappers, and myself, back to where the ideas originated. I had a snowshoe BWO in a swap two or three years back, and a caddis in a Compuserve swap waaaay back(my first encounter with Harry Mason). tough getting my shopping done while proposing to Cathy Beck

Interesting tie-in, she and her hubby nearly exhausted the supply of Fred Reese’s dun dyed snowshoe feet a few years back. Luckily, I had beaten them by a few days and got my half dozen feet in time. Fred was blown away by the sudden popularity of the stuff( this was 1993 or so,as I remember). Just did a rough count of current supplies before the annual order, still have 22 feet in various natural, dyed dun,green, olive, rust and assorted tans and ambers.                               Tom L

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I’ve never used a dyed (vs dead) hare’s foot.  How are they and where can I get them and why do you need seven and a third yards (22 feet) of fur? — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just did a rough count of current supplies before the annual order, still have 22 feet in various natural, dyed dun,green, olive, rust and assorted tans and ambers.                               Tom L

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Frank writes: , try dubbing the body with your favorite bug color you’re right, Frank. Just ask Willi, I’ve been doing this for years. The Usual was selected for the swap to bring the swappers, and myself, back to where the ideas originated. I had a snowshoe BWO in a swap two or three years back, and a caddis in a Compuserve swap waaaay back(my first encounter with Harry Mason).

The use of Snowshoe Hare is much more of an Eastern thing. It’s uncommon to find any flies that use it in a shop in the Rockies. It’s a versatile material. I also did a Snowshoe pattern for the swap, a quill bodied emerger pattern. Willi

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. God! I love this fly!!                              Tom L

and they are great fish-catchers too! Eugene K.

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 still have 22 feet in various natural, dyed dun,green, olive, rust and assorted tans and ambers.                              Tom L

do you guys think the wing colour as important as the body colour?…I often use different bodies with the same wing, and really I only use light feet and dark feet.   Eugene K.

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(snips) The ‘good’ tiers ended up with very tight smooth bodies on their flies, mine are sparse and ratty, the other two guys couldn’t get the fur to dub at all and used beaver dubbing. For demonstration purposes, I put one of mine in a glass of water, dunking it to make sure it was through the surface tension, and it was still floating like a cork 4 hours later.  I love snowshoe hare feet.  I’m planning on buying a big bag-o-feet at Somerset next weekend.

Not that I’m planning on tying, but what other materials will float easily and well?  I’d think that poodle hair, as they were once cold water retrievers, would be pretty good. — rbc:  vixen    Fairly harmless remove invalid or hit reply to email. Though I’m very slow to respond. http://www.visi.com/~cyli

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Frank,   Dyed dun is pretty easy to find from many of the larger material houses. The other colors are less frequent. I buy them from Fred Reese’s Trout Shop, in PA., who has specialized in them for a while. You ask: why do you need seven and a third yards (22 feet) of fur?

for the same reason I have a cedar chest full of rooster pelts…just like having them around. Seriously, though, most of the feet on hand have been chopped through a bit, maybe 5 or 6 are completely intact.                              Tom L

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tough getting my shopping done while proposing to Cathy Beck Interesting tie-in, she and her hubby nearly exhausted the supply of Fred Reese’s dun dyed snowshoe feet a few years back. Luckily, I had beaten them by a few days and got my half dozen feet in time.

Ok, so I finally get the opportunity to swing by Fred Reese’s place to pick up some spade hackle…. the stuff you were waving in front of me at the clave last year. A large bag for just $5.00 you say.  Well, we picked through his stock and could only find two pieces suitable for tailing sulphurs.  You exhausted his supply of spade hackle.  :-( Dave

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Dave,   The source I cited for spade hackle is Collins Hackle Farm in NY. Charlie Collins is listed at the back advertising section of most major fly tying/fishing mags. Also, he can be spotted in person at the upcoming Somerset show. I wasn’t even aware of Reese’s selling the stuff…but, it is always fun to poke around their supply, isn’t it?                               Tom L

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Someday I’d like to learn to tie perfect dry flies like your’s Tom. Awesome. bruce h

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you guys embarrass me….thanks for all the kind words. Can’t wait to hear the response to these Usuals I am tying for the swap! This is one of those flys, at least for me, that is tyed wrong if it looks organized at all. I am gazing at a butter tub that looks like a small rodent exploded in a pile of hooks(contains 50 flies). God! I love this fly!!                               Tom L

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Someday I’d like to learn to tie perfect dry flies like your’s Tom. Awesome.

Well, those little midge thingies are perfect too Bruce.  As far as we can tell!  heh heh

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Tom: We tied Usuals at my tying club this week – two really excellent tiers, me (intermediate at best) and another two guys who range from beginner to intermediate depending on material.  It’s interesting to see how 5 people in the same room tying the same pattern will come up with vastly different flies.  A lot of depends on skill, some on expectation of what a fly should look like.   The ‘good’ tiers ended up with very tight smooth bodies on their flies, mine are sparse and ratty, the other two guys couldn’t get the fur to dub at all and used beaver dubbing. For demonstration purposes, I put one of mine in a glass of water, dunking it to make sure it was through the surface tension, and it was still floating like a cork 4 hours later.  I love snowshoe hare feet.  I’m planning on buying a big bag-o-feet at Somerset next weekend. I’m really looking forward to seeing the other three examples in this swap. –Stan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you guys embarrass me….thanks for all the kind words. Can’t wait to hear the response to these Usuals I am tying for the swap! This is one of those flys, at least for me, that is tyed wrong if it looks organized at all. I am gazing at a butter tub that looks like a small rodent exploded in a pile of hooks(contains 50 flies). God! I love this fly!!                               Tom L

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Tom: I can send you the html and images in a zip any time you want it.  Feel free to give out the url in the meantime to clavesters. See you at Penns!  Jim Lafley is coming again too (even though he said something last night about 4 days…).  If anybody else from Mass. wants to carpool get in touch by email. –Stan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stan,   Bless you! AOL’s server is constantly screwed up, making getting to my site unreliable(watta surprise,eh?). If you can hang onto the layout for me, I would appreciate it, as it is a more efficient size, it seems, should I want to add stuff to my site.                               Tom L

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Does anyone have links to the best flies for Penns in May and how to tie them?  This will give these folks a good start.    Frank Reid

Here’s the URL for Flyfisher’s Paradise, a shop between Bellefonte and State College:    http://www.flyfishersparadise.com/ They provide hatch info ever week during the season.  Click on "Streams" at the bottom of the site; then click on the stream you want to know about. Click on "Articles" for patterns and tying instructions. vince norris

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have links to the best flies for Penns in May and how to tie them?  This will give these folks a good start. Well, IMO… I plunked down a whole bunch o’ cash on flies at the Feathered Hook. Seemed like just about every fly in there was a "gotta have it" fly. But I can say this… I caught nearly all my fish on six patterns (four dries, two nymphs), listed in order of effectiveness: (1) sulphur or other yellow fly (2) "Cripple" spidery-looking something (3) Elk Hair Caddis (4) March Brown (1) pheasant tail nymph (2) stonefly nymph (3) Colornel Sander’s Corn Kernal –Steve

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Be careful,  if the climate is different, so will be the flies….sometimes very significantly.  Not so much with the nymphs of course, but the surface hatches. I’ve found that the Penn’s trout tend to be taking the newer arrivals.  So try to ask around, and find out what has been coming off, listening for what has just started,  when I see the 7 or 8 different species on the water, in varying sizes,  I’ll try that first.  The bug that is new the Clave week in May is usually the sulphur (in one size or another), but could also be March Brown Spinners,  Sulphur Spinners, Tan Caddis, Chocolate Caddis, Green Caddis, Grey Fox (duns or spinners), and some years the Light Cahill and Green Drake (but this is remote). If all else fails, remember the electric shocking equipment, The Finn

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have links to the best flies for Penns in May and how to tie them?  This will give these folks a good start. Well, IMO… I plunked down a whole bunch o’ cash on flies at the Feathered Hook. Seemed like just about every fly in there was a "gotta have it" fly. But I can say this… I caught nearly all my fish on six patterns (four dries, two nymphs), listed in order of effectiveness: (1) sulphur or other yellow fly Same here – should have multiple styles! (including emerger)  So when Tom and DavePA etc. chime in with their favorite pattern, don’t pick one, pick ‘em all (1) pheasant tail nymph Works as a sulphur nymph

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Okie dokey folks.  I have a couple of folks here that will be attending Penns that have never been there before.  They are interested in tying flies for the clave fishing.  I couldn’t find the link to the message from last year indicating which flies are best.  I did find the link to the feathered hook, but, as usual, not enough info. Does anyone have links to the best flies for Penns in May and how to tie them?  This will give these folks a good start.     Frank Reid

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Tom Littleton posted some on his web site last year (which I filched for my reference – hope you don’t mind Tom…). You can find copies of Tom’s photos at http://members.bellatlantic.net/~sgula/penns/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okie dokey folks.  I have a couple of folks here that will be attending Penns that have never been there before.  They are interested in tying flies for the clave fishing.  I couldn’t find the link to the message from last year indicating which flies are best.  I did find the link to the feathered hook, but, as usual, not enough info. Does anyone have links to the best flies for Penns in May and how to tie them?  This will give these folks a good start.     Frank Reid

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Does anyone have links to the best flies for Penns in May and how to tie them?  This will give these folks a good start.

Well, IMO… I plunked down a whole bunch o’ cash on flies at the Feathered Hook. Seemed like just about every fly in there was a "gotta have it" fly. But I can say this… I caught nearly all my fish on six patterns (four dries, two nymphs), listed in order of effectiveness: (1) sulphur or other yellow fly (2) "Cripple" spidery-looking something (3) Elk Hair Caddis (4) March Brown (1) pheasant tail nymph (2) stonefly nymph Since the magical hatch portion the day–the time when the fish are supposedly keyed into an exact pattern, size, and hook stye–lasts a grand total of about half an hour, the rest of the time you’re just searching. And another tidbit from someone who doesn’t know what he’s talking about but has an opinion nonetheless… During the daytime, you’ll have the most success if you can switch easily from nymphs to dries and back. I saw very few risers during the daytime, but when I *did* see them (mostly taking stuff from the foam line in eddies it seemed) they were very fun to target and catch. –Steve

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Tom Littleton posted some on his web site last year (which I filched for my reference – hope you don’t mind Tom…). You can find copies of Tom’s photos at http://members.bellatlantic.net/~sgula/penns/

I remember now seeing this page last year and thinking "God, what beautifully tied flies."  Advancing decrepitude or some damn thing prevented me from bookmarking it then.  Thanks for the link.  They’re still beautiful. JR

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Does anyone have links to the best flies for Penns in May and how to tie them?  This will give these folks a good start. Well, IMO… I plunked down a whole bunch o’ cash on flies at the Feathered Hook. Seemed like just about every fly in there was a "gotta have it" fly. But I can say this… I caught nearly all my fish on six patterns (four dries, two nymphs), listed in order of effectiveness: (1) sulphur or other yellow fly

Same here – should have multiple styles! (including emerger)  So when Tom and DavePA etc. chime in with their favorite pattern, don’t pick one, pick ‘em all (1) pheasant tail nymph

Works as a sulphur nymph

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Stan,   Bless you! AOL’s server is constantly screwed up, making getting to my site unreliable(watta surprise,eh?). If you can hang onto the layout for me, I would appreciate it, as it is a more efficient size, it seems, should I want to add stuff to my site.                               Tom L

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Question:

I’m planning next year’s vacation.  I’d like to fish some rivers in Yellowstone National Park and the Henry’s fork.  As far as dry fly fishing goes, what month should I shoot for? thanks, Mike Oakland, CA

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I’m planning next year’s vacation.  I’d like to fish some rivers in Yellowstone National Park and the Henry’s fork.  As far as dry fly fishing goes, what month should I shoot for? thanks, Mike Oakland, CA

It looks like you aren’t getting any feedback, Mike. Maybe people are just tired of talking about Yellowstone and Henry’s Fork. I suggest that you use a Google search to find the trip reports in ROFF for the Yellowstone Clave (in August) and the Henry’s Fork "clave prospecting" trip (in September). — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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I’ve been there the last six years.  Only fished in the park and a small stretch of the Yellowstone outside the park.  For one of the guys, this would have been his 12th year, with up to three trips per year.  My opinion, and remember it’s opinion only, follows. There’s good dry fly fishing from end of June to end of August.  It could be good other times of the year, but I don’t know since I haven’t fished other times of the year. By mid July the run off is USUALLY tapered off where all the major streams are fishable.  You also may hit the Salmon Fly hatch.  The fish haven’t been pounded and are easier to catch.  I said "eaiser", not "easy"; but, then again, that depends on what you’re used to and your ability.  I hate the flys and mosquitos this time of the year; especially the all the black flys which do not respect insect repellant.  Also the water on the streams I like to fish are a bit high and fast.  It adds a pucker factor that an easterner like me is not accustomed to.  There are other things going on that may affect your choice such as claves and the FFF thing in Livingston.  Personally, we’re going out for ten days starting August 10th.  I like it then mostly due to the lack of bugs.  Also you don’t have to take a short friend along to go first across streams that seem a little too hairy to cross.  However some of the lakes, like Trout Lake may have a little too much algae at this time.  Just my opinion.  If you ask ten peole you’ll get 15 different opinions.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m planning next year’s vacation.  I’d like to fish some rivers in Yellowstone National Park and the Henry’s fork.  As far as dry fly fishing goes, what month should I shoot for? thanks, Mike Oakland, CA

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I have a question, my daughter is pregnant and has her navel pierced and she asked me if she would need to take it out as her belly grows. I told her I would ask you all since you are very knowledgeable about these things. Thanks                                             Tess Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly…..

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I have a question, my daughter is pregnant and has her navel pierced and she asked me if she would need to take it out as her belly grows. I told her I would ask you all since you are very knowledgeable about these things. Thanks                                            Tess

I had my navel pierced just before I got pregnant.  I was incredably lucky and didn’t have to remove my jewlery.  I should add thought that the reason i was able to elave the jewlery in was because…well as the guy who pierced it at Stainless Studios said my navel is" just plain weird!"  The truth of the matter is most women do indeed have to remove their jewlery, either because the jewlery will beging to migrate out, or becasue the streching causes micro tears in the healed piercing and those tears get infected.  If she does decide to take the piercing out as her belly gets bigger, she can take comfort int he fact that, if the piercing is well healed, there is a chance that the hole will not close entierly and instead of her having to have it re-pierced after her pregnancy, she could simply have it streched back up to whatever size the current jewlery is. Hope that was helpful. Ashen. P.S.  this is a little O.T. but if you live near a place with a "Body Shop" you should head in there and buy her a few COco-butter sticks….have her rub that in her tummy, thighs, butt and brests and it will really help reduce the amount of strechmarks she receives. Trust me those sticks are a god send!!

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Thankyou for the info and I used cocoa butter on both my pregnancies and it did wok wonders (running out to Bath and Body works now)                                                  Tess Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly…..

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I have a question, my daughter is pregnant and has her navel pierced and she asked me if she would need to take it out as her belly grows. I told her I would ask you all since you are very knowledgeable about these things. Thanks                                             Tess Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly…..

Yes your daughter should take the navel piercing out until she has the baby. The ring will stretch the hole and it may look like it’s about to rip out. I’ve seen some of my friends that got pregnant, there piercing’s look like the skin was all stretch out and about to rip throw the skin. When you go to the hospital for any operation they ask that you remove any rings, the same should be in this case.  Howard

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I have a question, my daughter is pregnant and has her navel pierced

and she asked me if she would need to take it out as her belly grows. I told her I would ask you all since you are very knowledgeable about these things.

Well, it depends on a number of things. In most cases it is better to remove the jewelry. The ring can cause damage to the piercing area has the body grows. The other problem is that if she is planning a hospital birth more than likely, they will give her clotting agents that will react to the metal the ring is made of. If she is concerned about losing the piercing she may consider using "fishing line" aka Monofilament nylon line which will tend to be a little more fexible then a ring and will not react to the clotting agents. — http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/9352

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I have a question, my daughter is pregnant and has her navel pierced and she asked me if she would need to take it out as her belly grows. I told her I would ask you all since you are very knowledgeable about these things. Thanks                                             Tess Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly…..

Well, I posed that same question about 2-3 months ago when I found out I was pregnant. The info I got said that most people end up taking the jewelery out at about 6 months or so.  A few people posted that they were able to keep the original jewelery for the entire pregnancy. For me, at about 15 weeks, my belly button was shallow enough for the pierce to look pretty much like a surface pierce.  The top hole was getting sore and red and the ring was sticking out a great deal.  I was finding it exceedingly uncomfortable (especially when I started breaking out the panel pant which put the waistband of my pants above my navel. The pants would rub the ring when I walked and it was not a happy time for my navel. I had a choice of trying a barbell, fishing line or taking the jewelery out. I decided against a barbell because my navel was shallow as it was and I figured that the balls would probably start to dig in fairly soon.  I also didn’t really want to take the jewelery out without trying to keep it. So, I went to the hardware store to see if I could find fishing line that was close to the same gauge as my ring.  And the fishing line was all really tiny in comparison.  So, I bought a weed whacker line that’s close in gauge.  I cut a piece of the weed whacker line about 2mm longer than the length of the pierce and slid that puppy in.  So far, it’s been fine and I’m at 19 weeks.  The redness went away and the "retainer" isn’t bothersome in the least. My navel was pierced over a year ago and was totally healed when I got pregnant.  I would -not- suggest putting non-autoclaved weedwhacker line in just any navel, but it is working out for me, YMMV.  It’s plastic so it’s more flexible than a barbell.  And the pierce is tight enough for it to stay in place. It looks like I have a piece of uncooked spaghetti in there now though. electric. — please remove id. from the return addy to email electric.

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Yes your daughter should take the navel piercing out until she has the baby. The ring will stretch the hole and it may look like it’s about to rip out. I’ve seen some of my friends that got pregnant, there piercing’s look like the skin was all stretch out and about to rip throw the skin. When you go to the hospital for any operation they ask that you remove any rings, the same should be in this case.  Howard

They didn’t ask me to remove my rings, or my piercing jewlery….they did say though that if i had any vaginal piercings i would have to remove those.  At the time I did not, so there was not problem. Ashen.

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someone mentioned the cocoa butter sticks, they sell them at walgreens too (probably also other pharmacies), i think they’re palmer brand (the brand that makes all the cocoa butter stuff) good luck stephanie Thankyou for the info and I used cocoa butter on both my pregnancies and it did wok wonders (running out to Bath and Body works now)                                                  Tess Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly…..

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I am planning on fishing Milton and Martis Lakes (Truckee area, CA) this weekend (3 -4 May).  I was wondering if anyone fished them opening weekend and could supply me with a report? Fish on,         John Kinyon

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I am curious as to how it went at these lakes. In exchange, I offer this report from Indian Creek Reservoir, near Markleeville south of lake Tahoe. Elevation ~5,000 ft.   Weekends of 4/26 & 5/3. Fishing is slow. Water is still very clear.  Very few callibaetis or damsels showing yet, and no visible surface action morning or evening. Dedicated fishers willing to fish through the wind are getting 5-10 hookups per day, on full sink lines fished near the bottom. Most fish in the 12-14 inch range.  Try olive leeches, rubberlip hares ears, and green scuds. Winds generally blowing from the south towards the dam. Most fish were caught in the northern half of lake with few fish taken in the shallows at the southern end. More fish were being caught by trollers with flashers than tubers with flies. It does not seem that there are as many fish here as in years past, but a damsel or callibaetis hatch may bring them to the surface and prove that wrong. -Mark Vinsel I am planning on fishing Milton and Martis Lakes (Truckee area, CA) this weekend (3 -4 May).  I was wondering if anyone fished them opening weekend and could supply me with a report? Fish on,         John Kinyon

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I am curious as to how it went at these lakes.

I heard Martis was not bad, but you could not get into Milton. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

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I am curious as to how it went at these lakes. I heard Martis was not bad, but you could not get into Milton. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY

Bill & Mark—-Martis has been fishing well in the new "flats" on the south side, at the inlet.  Check-out my website and click on "update" for more detailed info on Martis:                  http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/CyberFly Frank R. Pisciotta

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Hello all!         I was hoping to try out Piru Creek sometime in September. I have never fished it and have no idea what it is like, but as it is only a few hours from my home, I thought it would be neat to try. Has anybody out there fished this creek? If so, can you give me some tips on what parts of the creek are most productive and what patterns and sizes to use? Any help would be greatly appreciated.                                 Thanks,                                         Jeff

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Jeff: I had a similar question a few months back when visiting LA, and got good this post.  But try him first.  He was enthusiastic about the small wild rainbows in Piru Creek.  Only trouble was, Don forgot to warn me about the safety aspects — the creek is only an hour from LA, and I never got to it — got chased off by a gang with a shotgun.  All part of the great adventure of flyfishing… Proceed with caution, ask Don’s advice, and good luck. Regards, George

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Jeff: I had a similar question a few months back when visiting LA, and got good this post.  But try him first.  He was enthusiastic about the small wild rainbows in Piru Creek.  Only trouble was, Don forgot to warn me about the safety aspects — the creek is only an hour from LA, and I never got to it — got chased off by a gang with a shotgun.  All part of the great adventure of flyfishing… Proceed with caution, ask Don’s advice, and good luck. Regards, George

I have found that it is better to go to the Mammoth area and take a whole weekend or go to the Kern above the lake.  I have fished a lot on Piru–it is not bad EARLY in the morning (reprodicible hatch–take 18-22 gnat imitations and small Adams along with small gold rib hares ears) abd youll miss the gill net/picnic/trash producing crowd and see  mainly  anglers (fly fishers at that).  There are usually  fish allover the place (small 8-12 max) but I have had the most luck downstream about 2-4 miles or so as well as upstream in the "catch-and-release"  (also known as the "gill-net-as-much-as-you-can-and-bait-dunk-for-the-rest" section to some of the anglers). If you do go up there plan on leaving early (ie 10 or 11 AM), bring lots of water and avoid the heat. Good Luck and tight lines– Aaron

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I fish Piru all the time.  The key to survival is the sacrifice car and 2lbs kevlar fishing vest.  I was there last in june and the water flow was down to a trickle.  Small fish only.  Does anyone know if there is a minimum flow for this tailwater?

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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The C&K-crew has poached the C&R section again so it’s without many fish again. Contrary to what you must be thinking, I am sympathetic with the plight of this creek and the anglers who care about it.  It seems that the fundamental problem has been simply one of a resource that can not handle the incredible urban demand for it.  Or, maybe it has handled it beautifully.  If it is a put and take, C&K fishery completely, then I would call it a ’sacrificial watershed’.   I call Lake Powell a ’sacrificial watershed’.  That is, think of just how intenseley it is used.  Now consider, all of these motorhead boaters would be *somewhere else* (if not for Powell), would they not ?   All of these C&K gang members on Piru would be somewhere else, would they not ? So, make it C&R…pure C&R, protect those little stockers and what have you got ? Well, a crowd, still, albeit a more civilized crowd ? And what about those displaced C&K Gang members ?  Where would they be ?  Somewhere else, to be sure, maybe they’d be poaching at pyramid ?  Education ? Eradication ? Considered…but no…people as a whole are just too fucked up.  Get enough of them together and you have problems irregardless of regulations. How many gang bangers read the 1996 California Fishing Regs ? The answer lies in neither C&R nor C&K regulations, but in the acceptance of the fact that there are just too many damned people. Now, what are we going to do about that ?   TimW C&K Gangbanger

Trouble is Tim that this stream’s C&R section has a strain of native rainbows that has not been diluted with stocker blood. They are above a waterfall and thus isolated from the stocker filled section below. I agree that the fishing pressure is to much, but only because the gill net crews sweep the stream when ever the fish grow to larger than 8". The state’s solution of C&R on the upper section means that on most days only one or two people are fishing this section. But it is only 1.5 miles long. So when 300 fish are removed with gills nets, years worth of restoration efforts are destroyed. Solution to me is to remove some "nuts" to reduce gene-pool dilution. Hanging a few poachers from nearby trees and not removing them until their bones fall away also might work. If I could, I would have their pubic hair turned transformed into treblehooks. Or if one isn’t bloodthirsty, how about 40 hours a week for 6 months working on restoration work on the very stream they "f" up. Don B. PS – Yes, there’s too many people, have you called Dr. Death? Or are you looking for volunteers? Not me, I learn not to volunteer in the military.

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The C&K-crew has poached the C&R section again so it’s without many fish again.

Contrary to what you must be thinking, I am sympathetic with the plight of this creek and the anglers who care about it.  It seems that the fundamental problem has been simply one of a resource that can not handle the incredible urban demand for it.  Or, maybe it has handled it beautifully.  If it is a put and take, C&K fishery completely, then I would call it a ’sacrificial watershed’.   I call Lake Powell a ’sacrificial watershed’.  That is, think of just how intenseley it is used.  Now consider, all of these motorhead boaters would be *somewhere else* (if not for Powell), would they not ?   All of these C&K gang members on Piru would be somewhere else, would they not ? So, make it C&R…pure C&R, protect those little stockers and what have you got ? Well, a crowd, still, albeit a more civilized crowd ? And what about those displaced C&K Gang members ?  Where would they be ?  Somewhere else, to be sure, maybe they’d be poaching at pyramid ?  Education ? Eradication ? Considered…but no…people as a whole are just too fucked up.  Get enough of them together and you have problems irregardless of regulations. How many gang bangers read the 1996 California Fishing Regs ? The answer lies in neither C&R nor C&K regulations, but in the acceptance of the fact that there are just too many damned people. Now, what are we going to do about that ?   TimW C&K Gangbanger

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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeff: I had a similar question a few months back when visiting LA, and got good this post.  But try him first.  He was enthusiastic about the small wild rainbows in Piru Creek.  Only trouble was, Don forgot to warn me about the safety aspects — the creek is only an hour from LA, and I never got to it — got chased off by a gang with a shotgun.  All part of the great adventure of flyfishing… Proceed with caution, ask Don’s advice, and good luck. Regards, George

George, The C&K-crew has poached the C&R section again so it’s without many fish again. Also didn’t I tell you to wear your Kevlar Gore-Tex waders? The bullet-proof yet breathable models. <g Also, drive a sacrifical car if LA’s boy scouts are around and about. But do try to fish with a friend. Don’t challenge a bait fishermen in the single barbless hook C&R section unless you’re packing "iron". Just move on. Normally not a problem during peak fishing weekend times. Biggest problem today (9-4-96) is the Castaic fire has burned 25,00 acres near this stream. Since the fire was burning all weekend and I-5 was closed several times, I haven’t got up to see if the creek is still there.  So fishing might be for pre-cooked fish or for small fish only (fish fry). <g The Sierra Pacific Fly Fishers (SPFF) should be commended for trying to keep the stream up but without money from the state for a game warden the poaching will be an on-going problem. If anyone that still  goes there, try some Royal Wulff’s or other attractor flies. Bead-head’s also work well. It’s a shame because this could be a nice little trout stream. Don Burns

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 ANY ONE FLY FISHING THERE LATLEY I’LL BE 6/8/96 TO 6/14/96  ANY SPECIAL TRICKS. OR FLY’S, DRY OR WET. BY THE WAY IT’S  IN NORTHERN PLUMAS NATIONAL FOREST. –

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 ANY ONE FLY FISHING THERE LATLEY I’LL BE 6/8/96 TO 6/14/96  ANY SPECIAL TRICKS. OR FLY’S, DRY OR WET. BY THE WAY IT’S  IN NORTHERN PLUMAS NATIONAL FOREST.

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ANY ONE FLY FISHING THERE LATLEY I’LL BE 6/8/96 TO 6/14/96 ANY SPECIAL TRICKS. OR FLY’S, DRY OR WET. BY THE WAY IT’S IN NORTHERN PLUMAS NATIONAL FOREST.

Charlie Smith, the local tier and fly fisherman at Buck’s Lake, uses a Deer Hair Fly ( Humpy ) and the Rio Grand King dry fly in the streams.  He uses an Olive Wooly Worm in the lakes.  I would also have some #14/16 Adams Paraduns for the lakes. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA

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Is it me, or is the FlyFishing Database and FAQ home page totally broken.  Everytime I follow a link it gives me a page with a return link and no content. The location I’m accessing is: http://www.geo.mtu.edu/~jsuchosk/fish/ff-faq/masterIndex.html kat.

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Is it me, or is the FlyFishing Database and FAQ home page totally broken.  Everytime I follow a link it gives me a page with a return link and no content. The location I’m accessing is: http://www.geo.mtu.edu/~jsuchosk/fish/ff-faq/masterIndex.html kat.

It’s not you.  Either it’s broken, or it’s us.  I got the same response you did. Jim Browder Kalispell, MT

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Just wondering if any one has canoed the yukon river from Whitehorse to Dawson. My spousal unit and muself hope to take a holiday there next summer. Any inof or insight will be appreciated Thanks Ward & Cyndi

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Ward and Cyndi: A pleasant popular journey that is a bit more varied than the itinerary you outline is to take the Big Salmon river from its headwaters at Quiet Lake (caught large lake trout in shallows here) to the Yukon, then down stream to Carmacks.  This is a nice 8 day trip with sightseeing and fishing along the way and lets you explore both a tributary with some class II water, small mining claims and mountain scenery, wildlife and fishing, and the busy bustling Yukon.  An excellent family or relative beginner trip with emphasis on history, flora and fauna.  Car shuttles can be arranged to start in your vehicle by asking at most gas stations in Whitehorse or through commercial outfitters.  Bus goes through Carmacks 1-2 times a day and will take you back to your car in Whitehorse, or get that gas station kid to help again.  Try fly fishing for greyling along grassy banks.  The main Yukon route is a *very* popular trip with scout dn church groups, outfitters and other large parties so it can get a bit crowded. Rich Mitchell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just wondering if any one has canoed the yukon river from Whitehorse to Dawson. My spousal unit and muself hope to take a holiday there next summer. Any inof or insight will be appreciated Thanks Ward & Cyndi

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ward and Cyndi: A pleasant popular journey that is a bit more varied than the itinerary you outline is to take the Big Salmon river from its headwaters at Quiet Lake (caught large lake trout in shallows here) to the Yukon, then down stream to Carmacks.  This is a nice 8 day trip with sightseeing and fishing along the way and lets you explore both a tributary with some class II water, small mining claims and mountain scenery, wildlife and fishing, and the busy bustling Yukon.  An excellent family or relative beginner trip with emphasis on history, flora and fauna.  Car shuttles can be arranged to start in your vehicle by asking at most gas stations in Whitehorse or through commercial outfitters.  Bus goes through Carmacks 1-2 times a day and will take you back to your car in Whitehorse, or get that gas station kid to help again.  Try fly fishing for greyling along grassy banks.  The main Yukon route is a *very* popular trip with scout dn church groups, outfitters and other large parties so it can get a bit crowded. Rich Mitchell

Hi Rich thanks for the info The thoughts of floating down the river sound great as we sit here in the grey skies of Vancouver. We will look at the Big Salmon river trip,, as for ferrying the vehicle it should be no problem as we have a relative in whitehorse. How long did you take to drive up from Oregon? And last but not least what time of the summer do you reccommend? Thanks Ward & Cyndi

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Dawson City is a great little town (apart from the RV’s). Check out the super rustic youth hostel across the river from town (you have to use the ferry). Never done the river, though, but I’ve driven alongside it several times! Happy trails…

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Just wondering if any one has canoed the yukon river from Whitehorse to Dawson. My spousal unit and muself hope to take a holiday there next summer. Any inof or insight will be appreciated Thanks Ward & Cyndi

Several years ago my wife and I did part of the trip.  Hundreds of people go each year.  We paddled from Johnson’s Crossing, on the Teslin River to the confluence with the Yukon downstream of Whitehorse, and then on to Carmacks, about 1/2 way to Dawson.  The Teslin route avoids 30 miles of lake paddling, and is a bit more remote.  The trip was great.  There are no real hazards and lots of wildlife, scenery, and historic sites.   Guidebooks and rentals are available.  Shuttle via bus.   Have fun, Bill Siler

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I have done this trip and would advise that conditions can vary from year to year.  I did it in 1990 (I think) after there had been some high water.  There were a lot of sweepers in the upper part of the river (soon after leaving the lake) that required difficult lining. Also, in low water, the river requires quite a bit of maneuvering around boulder fields, etc.  I saw only one other party (in 10 days), so it is important to be prepared to meet any possible conditions. It is a beautiful trip.  Big Salmon is clear water (unlike the Yukon) But it can require a bit more skill in some conditions than the Yukon, which is reliably flat and wide. adk mitchell

: A pleasant popular journey that is a bit more varied than the itinerary : you outline is to take the Big Salmon river from its headwaters at Quiet : Lake (caught large lake trout in shallows here) to the Yukon, then down : stream to Carmacks.  This is a nice 8 day trip with sightseeing and : fishing along the way and lets you explore both a tributary with some : class II water, small mining claims and mountain scenery, wildlife and : fishing, and the busy bustling Yukon.  An excellent family or relative : beginner trip with emphasis on history, flora and fauna.  Car shuttles can : be arranged to start in your vehicle by asking at most gas stations in : Whitehorse or through commercial outfitters.  Bus goes through Carmacks : 1-2 times a day and will take you back to your car in Whitehorse, or get : that gas station kid to help again.  Try fly fishing for greyling along : grassy banks.  The main Yukon route is a *very* popular trip with scout dn : church groups, outfitters and other large parties so it can get a bit : crowded.

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Last year was my first ordering from the Bass Pond, and I have sung their praises in this forum along with several of you out there.  I’m wondering if we have to order a new catalog each year or do they mail out new catalogs to people on their mailing list?  When is the new catalog due to be out? Paul DiConza NY Capital District Angler

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Paul, I received my catolog last Tuesday. Great cover! Talked to Doug earlier in the week and he said that they were all mailed of and now is up to the PO. From the Float Tube of Elmer Meiler Somewhere on the Pond of OZ

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Where do you order Bass Pond? Thanks. Dan Harris

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What are your favorite instructional videos on fly-tying (beginning or advanced)?  I’ve enjoyed the discussion on favorite books for fly fishing and would like to see recommendations in this area. – John John D. Corless Institute of Optics                             (716) 275-8006 phone University of Rochester                         (716) 244-4936 fax

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 What are your favorite instructional videos on fly-tying (beginning  or advanced)?

I bought Del Mazza’s Tying Classic Flies He covers six flies, three classic  and three contemporary He does a nice job it costs $29.95 an is over two hours long                     John Dwyer     A Flytyer and a Flyfisherman       May your leaders sink, your felts hold, and your flies float high !                 Victor NY    Western gateway to the Fingerlakes

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Gary Borger’s Trout Flies Paul Jorgensoen’s(sp?) 2 volum set (name forgotten) Simon Hallett

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I’ve seen a bunch and my favorite by far are the two videos with Rene Harrop tying Mayflies and Caddis flies.  He uses CDC and ties intermediate stages as well as the normal e.g. nymph, dun, spinner.  I don’t remember the name of the producer but they had one of the Saturday morning FF shows.   It was a guy and his wife – she squeaked and giggled a lot and talked to fish.  You know the people.  Fortunately they aren’t in the videos except at the intro.

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: Gary Borger’s Trout Flies : : Paul Jorgensoen’s(sp?) 2 volum set (name forgotten) : : Simon Hallett "My Favorite Flies", VOL I-II, Poul Jorgenson B.

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Gary Lafontaine did a video on tying Caddis patterns with Mike Lawson and Jack Dennis as guests. Gary demonstrates how to tie his various sparkle patterns using antron.  These are really great patterns, especially the Emergent Sparkle Pupa, which is a fly I wouldn’t leave home without during Caddis season.  Lawson demos a couple af his favorites including the Hemingway Caddis.  Dennis demos the standard Elk Hair Caddis.   There’s also some pretty nice fishing action on the video towards the end,  which takes place on the Green River below Flaming Gorge.  My only criticism of the video is that these guys, especially Lafontaine take this a little too seriously. If he had lightened up a bit the video would have been more fun to watch, but it is very informative.

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