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Wednesday, Day Four of the Clave <snipped Dave

Thanks Dave.  Great TR. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply

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Great reports Dave. I enjoyed every one. Darin

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Wednesday, Day Four of the Clave

<snipped excellent TR I was waiting for the last TR in this series, but each one was poetic, concise, and informative. Thanks for taking the time to write them for us unfortunates that missed the party. Hopefully, next year. . . — TL, Tim

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Well you ole pirate had a good time did ye?? TR were fantastic read them all. No pirates in bvd siteings this time around?? Have a good trip to Lakewood .                    Handyman Mike           Standing in a river waving a stick

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"Dave LaCourse" wrpte //great report snipped// Let’s do it again next year.  I won’t worry about snow and cold weather, and I’ll rent a Toyota. Eat your heart out, Ken.  You missed a good one. Thanks, Warren, Paul, John, and Jeffie. Dave

Marvelous reports, Dave. I enjoyed reading them and have filed them away in case I ever get out there. Bob

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Thanks for the great set of reports Dave.

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<snip Hey, "Bouncer".  LOL.  He probably got you confused with Bruiser. Thanks, new friend, for all that you did to make it a great clave.  I learned a lot by being in your boat for two days.   I need your address so I can send the flag.  Montana or Colorado? Send it by e-mail to Get rid of the pirate. Dave

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Wednesday, Day Four of the Clave …….

Terrific reports Dave.  Glad you all had a good time…. and that the forces of law and order were not unduly taxed this time round…. ROFFians must be getting old . BTW, does anyone know a free news server that gets ROFF and allows posting?  The ones I’ve tried so far are good for one or the other, but not both. JR

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BTW, does anyone know a free news server that gets ROFF and allows posting?  The ones I’ve tried so far are good for one or the other, but not both.

news.cis.dfn.de does. (Go to http://news.cis.dfn.de/ to sign up). — Charlie…

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Snip: Thanks a bunch for the whole series of reports. I wish I could have joined you all this year. Big Dale

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Snip: Thanks a bunch for the whole series of reports. I wish I could have joined you all this year.

Wish you could have been there too BD. Guess what, I won your flies again (3rd time so far!). I gave some to IJ for his bream ponds, and we will each put them to good use. — Charlie…

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BTW, does anyone know a free news server that gets ROFF and allows posting?  The ones I’ve tried so far are good for one or the other, but not both. news.cis.dfn.de does. (Go to http://news.cis.dfn.de/ to sign up).

That is the one I use. However, it does not get any of the binary groups. So if you want to see the pretty pictures of the big Brook Trout that the guys have posted you’ll have to find another way. FWIW, Russell

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again (3rd time so far!). I gave some to IJ for his bream ponds, and we will each put them to good use. —

I guess next time I should cut out the middleman and just mail them to you. Hope you have been catching a bunch of bluegill with them. Big Dale

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Snip: Thanks a bunch for the whole series of reports. I wish I could have joined you all this year.

Make sure Indian Joe doesn’t keep the painting you won in the raffle!

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That is the one I use. However, it does not get any of the binary groups. So if you want to see the pretty pictures of the big Brook Trout that the guys have posted you’ll have to find another way.

Tera News (http://www.teranews.com/) gets binaries and allows posting. There’s a small one time fee to sign up and after that it’s free, but I haven’t found it to be that reliable – at least at that service level. There are other subscription rats that might be better. — Charlie…

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again (3rd time so far!). I gave some to IJ for his bream ponds, and we will each put them to good use. — I guess next time I should cut out the middleman and just mail them to you. Hope you have been catching a bunch of bluegill with them.

Maybe that would be easier. <g When they announced what the next prize was going to be and I heard they were your flies, I just automatically got up and, sure enough, my number was drawn. — Charlie…

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Snip: Thanks a bunch for the whole series of reports. I wish I could have joined you all this year. Make sure Indian Joe doesn’t keep the painting you won in the raffle!

Indian Joe replies–Will get the painting to Big Dale as promised–how about telling him some background of this artwork. Hope the frame Dale uses will hide the pinholes it has developed  when attached to my wall while awaiting shipment.

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Great reports Dave. I enjoyed every one. Darin

Darin, where were you this year?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Rock Trout writes: <snip Hey, "Bouncer".  LOL.  He probably got you confused with Bruiser. Thanks, new friend, for all that you did to make it a great clave.  I learned a lot by being in your boat for two days.   I need your address so I can send the flag.  Montana or Colorado? Send it by e-mail to Get rid of the pirate. Dave

With these reports, if they ever do HF again, most of ROFF will show up. Great job, old boy – see ya in a few weeks. Peter Visit The Streamer Page at http://www.mountaincable.net/~pcharles/streamers/index.html

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Wednesday, Day Four of the Clave My last day at the clave was spent alone.  Jeffie, Charlie, and Joe invited me to fish the Madison, but I had chores to do.  I would arrive home on Thursday and my wife’s birthday is on Friday.  I needed to buy some gifts.  I went to West Yellowstone to shop. Upon returning to the HF area, out of curiosity, I stopped at the dam.  There was a drift boat and several guys wading at the pool directly below the dam.  I parked in the put-in area and fished upstream.  I immediately got into a nice bow of about 16 inches, using a fly Bruiser had tied for me.  I fished for about an hour and landed another bow before leaving for lunch.   After lunch I found an easy trail down to the Box Canyon, much better than the shear drop at the camp ground.  It was tough wading because of a strong current and slippery rocks.  I threw all the "favorites" without a strike, managing to lose several flies to rocks, and Bruisers special home brew to a tree!  Damn! I remember Warren saying that a yellow stone fly works well in this water. Fortunately I had *one*.   Within minutes I had a nice bow on, and then another.  But, the current was getting to me.  So, rather than do a complete Full Reid with a half twist, I carefully waded ashore and returned to my car.   The water where Paul Morrison first put in for our first float seemed like a good spot to fish.  So, I drove to the put-in and fished for another hour or so, releasing a couple of whitefish and one bow.  It was a pretty good day considering I had no intention of fishing when I left the cabin. Some observations and conclusions: 1.      The Isuzu Trooper ain’t a very good suv.   Dan’l called it the Excuse You Pooper. <G 2.      The roads in Idaho and Montana are very well maintained and can handle the posted high speeds (65 in Idaho, 70 in Montana).  However, the rumble strips in Idaho are very close to the edge.  If you fall asleep and the car runs over the strip, you will have just enough time to open your eyes before you hit the trees!  <G 3.      There are no children in Last Chance. 4.      I never got to fish with Warren, RW, Bruiser, or Willi.  Perhaps next time.   5.      Paul Morrison and his wife Tammy are fun people.  Tammy is an absolute sweetheart.  These two kids are in love!  I would have been lost without them. Paul is a great boatman and got Charlie, Joe and me into some nice fish. 6.      John Hightower is a very talented man, easy going, and easy to like. He handled his handmade boat with ease (or so it seemed).  His wife Linda is a sweetheart, can handle a fairly big land yacht, and makes wonderful coffee. Let’s do it again next year.  I won’t worry about snow and cold weather, and I’ll rent a Toyota. Eat your heart out, Ken.  You missed a good one. Thanks, Warren, Paul, John, and Jeffie. Dave

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Mark Rey, long time timber lobbyist is in charge of our forests, and starting  to work on weakening all logging laws: Former Timber corporation lobbyist now head of our national forests: http://www.missoulian.com/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2002/Jun… A natural split with Bush- many longtime  conservative EPA officials are quitting: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-000039065jun03.story Lawmakers offer bi-partisan protection for national forests: http://ens-news.com/ens/jun2002/2002-06-05-07.asp Congress recognizes the voice of the American  people, offers bill and recognizes the 2 million  public comments favoring roadless protection, concedes  60 percent of republicans favor roadless protection as well: http://www.enn.com/news/wire-stories/2002/06/06062002/reu_47454.asp Congress, industry recognize the vast  majority of american citizens favor protecting our last wild and unroaded forests: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/73893_pot08.shtml — Sent by sonvolt55  from  hotmail subpart from com This is a spam protected message. Please answer with reference header. Posted via http://www.usenet-replayer.com/cgi/content/new

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Garbage deleted I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot.

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Garbage deleted I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot.

It doesn’t count unless it lands on an endangered species…

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Garbage deleted I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot. It doesn’t count unless it lands on an endangered species…

Careful Tripper; a glance at your medical records suggests YOU are on the list.     Wolfgang

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Garbage deleted I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot. It doesn’t count unless it lands on an endangered species… Careful Tripper; a glance at your medical records suggests YOU are on the list.     Wolfgang

No doubt I’d be fatally injured before I even got in range of mr. bob’s felling… /daytripper (the hits just keep on coming

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"\ I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot.\

I cut some trees down  today. Nothing like some responsible land management.  By the way, Muskie does hunt, fish and cut down trees. He isn’t the granola hippie  some would think. More like a sportsman with brains.

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"\ I think I will go cut down some trees tomorrow in honor of this crossposting tree hugging idiot.\ I cut some trees down  today. Nothing like some responsible land management.  By the way, Muskie does hunt, fish and cut down trees.

If it was nothing like responsible land management, why did you do it? He isn’t the granola hippie  some would think. More like a sportsman with brains.

More like a ten year old, with no friends, and a ghetto blaster.

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I cut some trees down  today. Nothing like some responsible land management.  By the way, Muskie does hunt, fish and cut down trees. He isn’t the granola hippie  some would think. More like a sportsman with brains.

SPLORK! The musk thang is an obnoxious jerk who gets his kicks out of baiting anyone who might disagree with him with his outrageous headers. He is totally opposed to any requests to limit or curtail his off topic behavoir. He regularly morphs his nick to get around the filters of those who attempt to ignore him, and he hides behind free posting services and conceals his email because his behavior violates most ISP’s terms. He has lost a couple of accounts in the past due to the volume of complaints regarding his behavior. I could care less if he’s a hunter, a fisherman or a cross dressing dwarf, he’s still an annoying insect. If he had brains, he’d be more considerate of those who don’t want to see his posts instead of using periodic nick morphing to get around our filters. Flyfish

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\More like a ten year old, with no friends, and a ghetto blaster.\  I have had the pleasure of fishing with Muskie on several occasions, twice on the San Juan and once on the Kootenai. He has a gorgeous blonde girlfriend(ive never seen so many stares in my direction thanks to walking with her on several occasions), a nice ride and an even nicer selection of fly rods. Perhaps you are jealous of that? He is a positive, hopeful person  and people seem to gravitate to him. He, like I also have the glorious choices of fishing in a still unspoiled setting, which is something you don’t have Mike. Perhaps if someone in Europe had spoken up and made noise a long time ago the fishing and habitat wouldnt be so poor now, and the choices so few.

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Musty Ass has spoken.

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\More like a ten year old, with no friends, and a ghetto blaster.\  I have had the pleasure of fishing with Muskie on several occasions, twice on the San Juan and once on the Kootenai.

I could not care less about his girlfriend or his fly-rods. The only thing I care about, is the fact that he costs me money with his constant Usenet abuse. The problem is solved for me at least. I have unsubscribed from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly  as it is simply too expensive to download all the rubbish. I will occasionally have a look in, using Google ( where I don

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I have been swimming in these Florida waters from the beach and off of boats, also diving into inlet from bridges, surfed up and down the coast, also off of rope swings as a kid into the murky intracoastal, dived a lot of reefs. Seen a few in my time and they all went the other way. Beleive it or not a most sharks see us as too big to try to tackle and if they do bite usually let go and turn tail and run. Of course there are acceptions tigers and bull sharks are aggressive. Florida bathers swim with sharks every day but don’t know it because they can’t see them. All you have to do is ask any pilot that flys over these beaches and he’ll tell you he sees sharks every day. Yet the sharks don’t go near them. Its too dangerous for the shark. Its a good idea to read up on sharks know their habits and avoid situations that could increase your chances of being bitten. I’ll bet ninety nine percent of shark bites are mistakin’ identity. Do you surf? I assume not. Its usually surfers that are mistaken for prey. If you know the facts and the astronomical odds of being bitten you wouldn’t worry. C’mon in the water is fine, you have a much better chance of getting killed on the drive down.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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Either way dem’s good eatin’

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I much prefer the term Dorado.  Mahimahi is just to politically correct.

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Sharon,     Check out these web sites for shark info. http://www.shark.ch/Sharkdb/sharkdb.shtml & http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/sharks/ISAF/ISAF.htm Paul

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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Caught the last half of a Fox special on TV lastnight.  The "shark expert" they had said several things and I have listed what I remember below.  Most of them are things that most probably already know. -Sharks like invertabrates….  humans are too bony. -If a shark takes a "taste" of a human, they will generally spit it out and not return for a full course meal. -There are an average of 58 UNPROVOKED shark attacks worldwide each year. -Several hundered thousand sharks are harvested each year mostly for the fins only, (shark fin soup, and cartilidge) -More people are eating shark meat than ever -Last year, 7200 people were brought into the hospital having been injured at amusement parks (amusing fact eh?) -California has the highest rate of unprovoked shark attacks in the US (according to this guy) -There is a guy in the the Fl. Keys (Mannie??) they call Mannie the Shark Man, they showed him swiming with (holding onto the dorsal fin) and then holding the face (face to face) of an approximately 8′ Hammerhead.  This guy was swimming with what looked like Bull Sharks??? (I’m not sure) and Hamerheads.  They showed him touching several different species of sharks, basically he was petting them!  He was definitely with in biting distance and there was no aggression.  He has been bitten 3 times, not sure if any were very serious, he had all of limbs and was still smiling! -An average of 12 people are killed each year by shark attacks. -Sharks have excellent eyes, and thier corneas are aften used in human cornea transplants. -A whale shark can grow to 45′ -Average shark swims at 5mph, but some can swim for short distances at up to 23mph -There are 350 species of shark of which 20% are dangerous to humans. -The Great White shark is an endangered species, but I don’t know if this means it is illegal to feed them.  I suppose you could get a ticket or fine you if they identified you as having fed one… -The guy said that the Muesem of Natural History has even more interesting facts. -Side note, I have read that the Bull Shark is considered by many experts to the most dangerous shark, due to the fact (like the Tiger Shark) they are considered to be Trash Eaters, ie. they eat almost anything. -Also have read that Bull Sharks are one of the main reasons they erected the "shark fence" in Australia.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A bad meal. Humans taste like shit, I’m told. ( I wonder who made the taste test). Probably because of meat in our diet? But if that’s true, wouldn’t vegetarians be preferred by sharks? Then again, maybe they are and that’s why so many divers and swimmers are ‘tasted’ but so few eaten. pm Florida bathers swim with sharks every day but don’t know it because they can’t see them. All you have to do is ask any pilot that flys over these beaches and he’ll tell you he sees sharks every day. Yet the sharks don’t go near them. Its too dangerous for the shark. What are these sharks afraid of, Brian??

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A bad meal. Humans taste like shit, I’m told. ( I wonder who made the taste test). Probably because of meat in our diet? But if that’s true, wouldn’t vegetarians be preferred by sharks? Then again, maybe they are and that’s why so many divers and swimmers are ‘tasted’ but so few eaten. pm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Florida bathers swim with sharks every day but don’t know it because they can’t see them. All you have to do is ask any pilot that flys over these beaches and he’ll tell you he sees sharks every day. Yet the sharks don’t go near them. Its too dangerous for the shark. What are these sharks afraid of, Brian??

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Florida bathers swim with sharks every day but don’t know it because they can’t see them. All you have to do is ask any pilot that flys over these beaches and he’ll tell you he sees sharks every day. Yet the sharks don’t go near them. Its too dangerous for the shark.

What are these sharks afraid of, Brian?? — edgar (remove nospam from return address for e-mail reply)

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The term "shark-thirty" is sometimes used in the Caribbean to express a time of day (dusk)when sharks are starting to feed. pm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Swimming at dusk, in water known to have baitfish in it, is a VERY poor idea. I feel for the kid.  The parents, on the other hand, should be strung up by their toenails for allowing him to swim at that time of the evening. That is a manifestly unsafe practice around here. —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Potomac down where we are isn’t that dirty.  I’ve heard that the jellyfish are good because they eat the ones that eat crab larvae. Using your logic, aren’t sharks that kill people also good? After all they eat the ones that eat crab! <G But they are so terribly inefficient at it! <g Actually crabs are really good – not just because we like to eat them, but because they are underwater scavengers. You have something against "out-of-the-water" scavengers? <G

No – but all scavengers are kind of shunned – from vultures to crabs to dung beetles.  We need them all. grandma Rosalie

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You may have me there Bill.  I saw a TV documentary and can’t remember for sure. Most people use the term "dolphin" to mean porpoise but a dolphin can be either a fish or a mammal. <G

That’s true, but the ones that go after sharks are the mammal.  That’s also why in restaurants the fish-dolphin is often called mahi mahi (Hawaiian term) because they don’t want people to think they are eating Flipper. Actually dolphins have been known to gang up on and attempt to kill a shark. The dolphins usually go for the tender undersides of sharks.

grandma Rosalie

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The Potomac down where we are isn’t that dirty.  I’ve heard that the jellyfish are good because they eat the ones that eat crab larvae. Using your logic, aren’t sharks that kill people also good? After all they eat the ones that eat crab! <G

But they are so terribly inefficient at it! <g   Actually crabs are really good – not just because we like to eat them, but because they are underwater scavengers. grandma Rosalie

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The Potomac down where we are isn’t that dirty.  I’ve heard that the jellyfish are good because they eat the ones that eat crab larvae. Using your logic, aren’t sharks that kill people also good? After all they eat the ones that eat crab! <G But they are so terribly inefficient at it! <g Actually crabs are really good – not just because we like to eat them, but because they are underwater scavengers.

You have something against "out-of-the-water" scavengers? <G Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – grandma Rosalie

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I didn’t mean the sport fish forgot about that one. — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You may have me there Bill.  I saw a TV documentary and can’t remember for sure. Most people use the term "dolphin" to mean porpoise but a dolphin can be either a fish or a mammal. <G Bill 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100 Actually dolphins have been known to gang up on and attempt to kill a shark. The dolphins usually go for the tender undersides of sharks. Dolphin or Porpoise? Bill — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100 The latest attack was by a Bull Shark…  They can live in fresh water for some time, including the Potomac.  It appears that one of the greatest dangers of this shark is that it often feeds in dark/discolored and even shallow water (where it can get churned up) so that it doesn’t always see its prey, ie. it might think that a splashing arm is a fish, and attacks it before it really nows what it is up against.  Sharks are a realistic fear. So is driving a car.  If the same number of people that are afraid of sharks, were even more realistically afraid of cars, the roads would be a much safer place.  Like they say (whoever they are), be aware of your sorroundings, and don’t take unnecesarry risks, just like you walking or driving to the store, use caution.  There are dangers everywhere. I don’t have the statistics, but the same people say that you are 100x more likely to get struck by lightning than to get bitten by a shark.  I wonder if that statistic is for swimmers or all of us.  If it is for all of us, then the statistics go way up for us salt water swimmers, doesn’t it?  The reasoning here is that if you never swim, or only swim in landlocked water, the chance of getting bitten by a shark is approaching 0.  Any experts out there? I am just curious if there are any "good" statistics avaliable.  What percentage of the population are salt water or brine swimmers and what effect does that have on the statistic?  Also, there are electronic "shark repellants" available.  They are supposed to work on all sharks.  I wonder if they repell all fish?  Swim with dolphins, sharks don’t like dolphins, or is this just an old wives tale?  Bull sharks also eat dolphins, but maybe just small ones.       The Bull Shark – Carcharhinus leucas       Size – Grow from 7 to 11 feet weighing 200 to 500 pounds.       Diet – Fish, (including other sharks and rays), turtles, birds, mollusks and dolphins. It will eat almost anything.       Habitat – The Bull shark is found close to to shore and can live for a while in fresh water, frequenting estuaries, river and lakes. Bull Sharks have been found up to 1,750 miles up the Mississippi River in the USA and 2,500 miles up the Amazon River in Peru.       Reproduction – Bull sharks are viviparous. Litters of up to 13 pups are common after a gestation period of about 1 year. Pups are about 28 inches long at birth. Very young Bull sharks are frequently found in protected bays near the mouths of rivers in briny waters. My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your a rm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks? Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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I much prefer the term Dorado.  Mahimahi is just to politically correct.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You may have me there Bill.  I saw a TV documentary and can’t remember for sure. Most people use the term "dolphin" to mean porpoise but a dolphin can be either a fish or a mammal. <G That’s true, but the ones that go after sharks are the mammal.  That’s also why in restaurants the fish-dolphin is often called mahi mahi (Hawaiian term) because they don’t want people to think they are eating Flipper. Actually dolphins have been known to gang up on and attempt to kill a shark. The dolphins usually go for the tender undersides of sharks. grandma Rosalie

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You may have me there Bill.  I saw a TV documentary and can’t remember for sure. — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Actually dolphins have been known to gang up on and attempt to kill a shark. The dolphins usually go for the tender undersides of sharks. Dolphin or Porpoise? Bill — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100 The latest attack was by a Bull Shark…  They can live in fresh water for some time, including the Potomac.  It appears that one of the greatest dangers of this shark is that it often feeds in dark/discolored and even shallow water (where it can get churned up) so that it doesn’t always see its prey, ie. it might think that a splashing arm is a fish, and attacks it before it really nows what it is up against.  Sharks are a realistic fear. So is driving a car.  If the same number of people that are afraid of sharks, were even more realistically afraid of cars, the roads would be a much safer place.  Like they say (whoever they are), be aware of your sorroundings, and don’t take unnecesarry risks, just like you walking or driving to the store, use caution.  There are dangers everywhere.  I don’t have the statistics, but the same people say that you are 100x more likely to get struck by lightning than to get bitten by a shark.  I wonder if that statistic is for swimmers or all of us.  If it is for all of us, then the statistics go way up for us salt water swimmers, doesn’t it?  The reasoning here is that if you never swim, or only swim in landlocked water, the chance of getting bitten by a shark is approaching 0.  Any experts out there? I am just curious if there are any "good" statistics avaliable.  What percentage of the population are salt water or brine swimmers and what effect does that have on the statistic?  Also, there are electronic "shark repellants" available.  They are supposed to work on all sharks.  I wonder if they repell all fish?  Swim with dolphins, sharks don’t like dolphins, or is this just an old wives tale?  Bull sharks also eat dolphins, but maybe just small ones.       The Bull Shark – Carcharhinus leucas       Size – Grow from 7 to 11 feet weighing 200 to 500 pounds.       Diet – Fish, (including other sharks and rays), turtles, birds, mollusks and dolphins. It will eat almost anything.       Habitat – The Bull shark is found close to to shore and can live for a while in fresh water, frequenting estuaries, river and lakes. Bull Sharks have been found up to 1,750 miles up the Mississippi River in the USA and 2,500 miles up the Amazon River in Peru.       Reproduction – Bull sharks are viviparous. Litters of up to 13 pups are common after a gestation period of about 1 year. Pups are about 28 inches long at birth. Very young Bull sharks are frequently found in protected bays near the mouths of rivers in briny waters. My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks? Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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The Potomac down where we are isn’t that dirty.  I’ve heard that the jellyfish are good because they eat the ones that eat crab larvae.

Using your logic, aren’t sharks that kill people also good? After all they eat the ones that eat crab! <G Bill

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You may have me there Bill.  I saw a TV documentary and can’t remember for sure.

Most people use the term "dolphin" to mean porpoise but a dolphin can be either a fish or a mammal. <G Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100 Actually dolphins have been known to gang up on and attempt to kill a shark. The dolphins usually go for the tender undersides of sharks. Dolphin or Porpoise? Bill — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100 The latest attack was by a Bull Shark…  They can live in fresh water for some time, including the Potomac.  It appears that one of the greatest dangers of this shark is that it often feeds in dark/discolored and even shallow water (where it can get churned up) so that it doesn’t always see its prey, ie. it might think that a splashing arm is a fish, and attacks it before it really nows what it is up against.  Sharks are a realistic fear. So is driving a car.  If the same number of people that are afraid of sharks, were even more realistically afraid of cars, the roads would be a much safer place.  Like they say (whoever they are), be aware of your sorroundings, and don’t take unnecesarry risks, just like you walking or driving to the store, use caution.  There are dangers everywhere.  I don’t have the statistics, but the same people say that you are 100x more likely to get struck by lightning than to get bitten by a shark.  I wonder if that statistic is for swimmers or all of us.  If it is for all of us, then the statistics go way up for us salt water swimmers, doesn’t it?  The reasoning here is that if you never swim, or only swim in landlocked water, the chance of getting bitten by a shark is approaching 0.  Any experts out there? I am just curious if there are any "good" statistics avaliable.  What percentage of the population are salt water or brine swimmers and what effect does that have on the statistic?  Also, there are electronic "shark repellants" available.  They are supposed to work on all sharks.  I wonder if they repell all fish?  Swim with dolphins, sharks don’t like dolphins, or is this just an old wives tale?  Bull sharks also eat dolphins, but maybe just small ones.       The Bull Shark – Carcharhinus leucas       Size – Grow from 7 to 11 feet weighing 200 to 500 pounds.       Diet – Fish, (including other sharks and rays), turtles, birds, mollusks and dolphins. It will eat almost anything.       Habitat – The Bull shark is found close to to shore and can live for a while in fresh water, frequenting estuaries, river and lakes. Bull Sharks have been found up to 1,750 miles up the Mississippi River in the USA and 2,500 miles up the Amazon River in Peru.       Reproduction – Bull sharks are viviparous. Litters of up to 13 pups are common after a gestation period of about 1 year. Pups are about 28 inches long at birth. Very young Bull sharks are frequently found in protected bays near the mouths of rivers in briny waters. My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks? Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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Millions of folks swim in Fla. waters every year. Last year 65 people were bitten by sharks in the US most in Fla. If you are worried stay onboard or in your living room. Regards Bill

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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Honey, don’t sweat it. You picked a good area to retire and the waters are safe to swim in. And if you want statistics, I’ve been swimming in Florida (both coasts) since 1962 and have never been bitt, attacked, mauled or stung by anything but mosquitoes. Nor has anyone I know personally. On the other hand I have had several friends killed in auto accidents, bitten by dogs, cats, squirrels and attacked by a duck. And there are no reports ever of anyone in Florida freezing to death. Come on down! pm 147.iap.bryant.webtv.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with

There’s always something.  I haven’t been to the Gulf coast in some time, but yes we do swim off the boat as long as we are not chumming.  Look first.  If the water is clear (and most of the time out in a boat it is – otherwise you wouldn’t be out there -it would be a storm) you could see a shark.  The boy was right on the beach – the waves stir the water up and you can’t see. the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda.

My SIL doesn’t care for swimming with barracuda, but unless they turn black they are just curious and ugly and no danger.  My SIL makes me wear gloves or take off my (shiny) rings.  Most sharks also just want to be left alone. Several times we saw a Bull Shark (the one that did this attack) cruising in the marina, so they are by no means limited to FL. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where

The Potomac down where we are isn’t that dirty.  I’ve heard that the jellyfish are good because they eat the ones that eat crab larvae.  In any case, you can swim longer if you go farther up the Chesapeake. can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

THere is no such place.  There’s always something.  If not something in the water, the water itself, or the weather. grandma Rosalie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

Arizona?                             Capt. Bill

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Actually dolphins have been known to gang up on and attempt to kill a shark. The dolphins usually go for the tender undersides of sharks.

Dolphin or Porpoise? Bill – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100 The latest attack was by a Bull Shark…  They can live in fresh water for some time, including the Potomac.  It appears that one of the greatest dangers of this shark is that it often feeds in dark/discolored and even shallow water (where it can get churned up) so that it doesn’t always see its prey, ie. it might think that a splashing arm is a fish, and attacks it before it really nows what it is up against.  Sharks are a realistic fear. So is driving a car.  If the same number of people that are afraid of sharks, were even more realistically afraid of cars, the roads would be a much safer place.  Like they say (whoever they are), be aware of your sorroundings, and don’t take unnecesarry risks, just like you walking or driving to the store, use caution.  There are dangers everywhere.  I don’t have the statistics, but the same people say that you are 100x more likely to get struck by lightning than to get bitten by a shark.  I wonder if that statistic is for swimmers or all of us.  If it is for all of us, then the statistics go way up for us salt water swimmers, doesn’t it?  The reasoning here is that if you never swim, or only swim in landlocked water, the chance of getting bitten by a shark is approaching 0.  Any experts out there? I am just curious if there are any "good" statistics avaliable.  What percentage of the population are salt water or brine swimmers and what effect does that have on the statistic?  Also, there are electronic "shark repellants" available.  They are supposed to work on all sharks.  I wonder if they repell all fish?  Swim with dolphins, sharks don’t like dolphins, or is this just an old wives tale?  Bull sharks also eat dolphins, but maybe just small ones.       The Bull Shark – Carcharhinus leucas       Size – Grow from 7 to 11 feet weighing 200 to 500 pounds.       Diet – Fish, (including other sharks and rays), turtles, birds, mollusks and dolphins. It will eat almost anything.       Habitat – The Bull shark is found close to to shore and can live for a while in fresh water, frequenting estuaries, river and lakes. Bull Sharks have been found up to 1,750 miles up the Mississippi River in the USA and 2,500 miles up the Amazon River in Peru.       Reproduction – Bull sharks are viviparous. Litters of up to 13 pups are common after a gestation period of about 1 year. Pups are about 28 inches long at birth. Very young Bull sharks are frequently found in protected bays near the mouths of rivers in briny waters. My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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Actually dolphins have been known to gang up on and attempt to kill a shark. The dolphins usually go for the tender undersides of sharks. — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The latest attack was by a Bull Shark…  They can live in fresh water for some time, including the Potomac.  It appears that one of the greatest dangers of this shark is that it often feeds in dark/discolored and even shallow water (where it can get churned up) so that it doesn’t always see its prey, ie. it might think that a splashing arm is a fish, and attacks it before it really nows what it is up against.  Sharks are a realistic fear. So is driving a car.  If the same number of people that are afraid of sharks, were even more realistically afraid of cars, the roads would be a much safer place.  Like they say (whoever they are), be aware of your sorroundings, and don’t take unnecesarry risks, just like you walking or driving to the store, use caution.  There are dangers everywhere.  I don’t have the statistics, but the same people say that you are 100x more likely to get struck by lightning than to get bitten by a shark.  I wonder if that statistic is for swimmers or all of us.  If it is for all of us, then the statistics go way up for us salt water swimmers, doesn’t it?  The reasoning here is that if you never swim, or only swim in landlocked water, the chance of getting bitten by a shark is approaching 0.  Any experts out there?  I am just curious if there are any "good" statistics avaliable.  What percentage of the population are salt water or brine swimmers and what effect does that have on the statistic?  Also, there are electronic "shark repellants" available.  They are supposed to work on all sharks.  I wonder if they repell all fish?  Swim with dolphins, sharks don’t like dolphins, or is this just an old wives tale?  Bull sharks also eat dolphins, but maybe just small ones.       The Bull Shark – Carcharhinus leucas       Size – Grow from 7 to 11 feet weighing 200 to 500 pounds.       Diet – Fish, (including other sharks and rays), turtles, birds, mollusks and dolphins. It will eat almost anything.       Habitat – The Bull shark is found close to to shore and can live for a while in fresh water, frequenting estuaries, river and lakes. Bull Sharks have been found up to 1,750 miles up the Mississippi River in the USA and 2,500 miles up the Amazon River in Peru.       Reproduction – Bull sharks are viviparous. Litters of up to 13 pups are common after a gestation period of about 1 year. Pups are about 28 inches long at birth. Very young Bull sharks are frequently found in protected bays near the mouths of rivers in briny waters. My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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I know this sounds cold hearted but it is really not intended that way. If you have salt water you have sharks.   Here in Florida if you have fresh water you have gators (keep your poodles away from the canals).   It makes no difference if it is here in Florida or anywhere else salt water & sharks go hand in hand. The kid was playing in water late in the evening when sharks are usually feeding  early morning the same situation.  This particular area is a big fishing area.   Lots of fish attract lots of sharks. There have been several shark attacks on the Florida Gulf Coast.   Most make local news rarely national news.  The news media has gone crazy over this story because it was a kid and the circumstances.   Don’t misunderstand I have kids too and feel for the family. Now in addition to all the tourists the media have descended and all kinds of SO CALLED "Shark Experts" are roaming around spouting off all kinds of advise and not saying anything at all. I bet you didn’t hear a peep out of the national news media a few years back when a kid got mauled a bit by a gator in Mobile Alabama a few years back. Of course he didn’t loose his arm just a few teeth bites.    Or the long distance runner that lost a leg several years ago in a shark attack. Last several years he has become somewhat of a celebrity because he is running & competing on his good leg & the false one so we usually see him on TV during all the big Mobile Alabama marathons. From May through October I’m sure we can find a few jelly fish for you to play with so you don’t get homesick. For real fun we have hurricane parties. From usually July thru October. Romantic candle light (no power) dinners.  Sounds of rain drops on the roof (at 80 miles per hour).  Wind moaning (if your hearing aid is turned down) in the trees.  All the swimming you could ever want because the streets are flooded.   Kids don’t have to go to school (cooped up in the house or a hurricane shelter)  And, the most exciting part of all you usually don’t have to go to work.   During the last several years some of our Pensacola residents took the hurricane party to a higher level  they spent the time stranded in bumper to bumper traffic on I10.  You don’t wait until the day of the hurricane to decide to bug out.  You leave 24 hours in advance. July thru September boating is lots of fun  90 degrees with a 100 degree + heat index.    Water temperature is 80 + degrees.  Humidity if your lucky around 80%  Summer winds for sailing are light & fluky.   Although I must admit the thunderstorms that come ashore late in the afternoon make boating real exciting,  If you are lucky to get caught in the downdraft zone the cool air washing over you is most defiantly refreshing.   The real joy of Florida living comes October thru April when all your northern buddies are still snow bound.   2000 December 27 I was out sailing. Yup paradise if I ever heard of it.    And, yes I am joining all the other stupid boaters going out tomorrow (Saturday) to watch the Navy Blue Angels fly.  It will be a zoo out there, it will be hot, it will be fun. By the way,  have you purchased your flood insurance yet?   Does the name FWUA mean anything to you? Welcome to Florida.   I wasn’t joking about the poodle thing! ;0) Red tide in September is so exciting it will bring tears to your eyes. — 22′ South Coast Sea Craft     Eclipse model  "Don’t Ask" Pensacola, Florida http://members.tripod.com/mr-wayne/ http://communities.msn.com/SouthCoast22SkippersbayBee&naventryid=100

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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The latest attack was by a Bull Shark…  They can live in fresh water for some time, including the Potomac.  It appears that one of the greatest dangers of this shark is that it often feeds in dark/discolored and even shallow water (where it can get churned up) so that it doesn’t always see its prey, ie. it might think that a splashing arm is a fish, and attacks it before it really nows what it is up against.  Sharks are a realistic fear. So is driving a car.  If the same number of people that are afraid of sharks, were even more realistically afraid of cars, the roads would be a much safer place.  Like they say (whoever they are), be aware of your sorroundings, and don’t take unnecesarry risks, just like you walking or driving to the store, use caution.  There are dangers everywhere.  I don’t have the statistics, but the same people say that you are 100x more likely to get struck by lightning than to get bitten by a shark.  I wonder if that statistic is for swimmers or all of us.  If it is for all of us, then the statistics go way up for us salt water swimmers, doesn’t it?  The reasoning here is that if you never swim, or only swim in landlocked water, the chance of getting bitten by a shark is approaching 0.  Any experts out there?  I am just curious if there are any "good" statistics avaliable.  What percentage of the population are salt water or brine swimmers and what effect does that have on the statistic?  Also, there are electronic "shark repellants" available.  They are supposed to work on all sharks.  I wonder if they repell all fish?  Swim with dolphins, sharks don’t like dolphins, or is this just an old wives tale?  Bull sharks also eat dolphins, but maybe just small ones.       The Bull Shark – Carcharhinus leucas       Size – Grow from 7 to 11 feet weighing 200 to 500 pounds.       Diet – Fish, (including other sharks and rays), turtles, birds, mollusks and dolphins. It will eat almost anything.       Habitat – The Bull shark is found close to to shore and can live for a while in fresh water, frequenting estuaries, river and lakes. Bull Sharks have been found up to 1,750 miles up the Mississippi River in the USA and 2,500 miles up the Amazon River in Peru.       Reproduction – Bull sharks are viviparous. Litters of up to 13 pups are common after a gestation period of about 1 year. Pups are about 28 inches long at birth. Very young Bull sharks are frequently found in protected bays near the mouths of rivers in briny waters.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My husband and I are avid boaters who currently boat on the Potomac River in Washington, DC.  We have just purchased our dream retirement waterfront lot in Port Charlotte (on the Gulf).  We dream of the time when we can walk out of our back yard, drop our boat down from its lift and spend a day on the water fishing, swimming, and enjoying everything FL has to offer.  BUT – with everything we have heard lately about the dangers of sharks in the water, we are now feeling maybe we made a bad decision???  To the FL boaters out there – do you just jump off the transom while anchored in the gulf to cool off or is that dangerous with the sharks everywhere?  We are now also hearing talk about Baracuda. What is the fun of boating in the FL sun if when you get hot you can’t even jump in the water for a swim without being afraid of your arm or leg being bitten off?  The Potomac River is dirty, the Chesapeake Bay is full of jellyfish in the summer and Florida is full of sharks?  Where can a boater retire to that offers year round warm weather and boating without anything in the water to get you?

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All apologies if the answer is in an FAQ…I couldn’t find on for this NG. I’ll be on the Rogue river in OR this month, and would like to try fly fishing.  I’m a fairly learned baitcasting guy. Problem is, I’ve no equipment.  I’d like to buy a starter combo, and am looking at a Cortland (http://www.cbsmall.com/cgi-bin/webc.exe/discountfishinginc/st_prod.ht… rodid=130&p_catid=16&sid=4Wi2mP01630e2xz-27100614880.92) for $150 and this Cahill (http://thestore.alloutdoors.com/productfamily.asp?dept=1&category=103… cat=10325&pf=40193&sid=&shopperid=F2R1KL5P97S92LPH00A3HLDGRM5A3TBD) for $65. Any suggestions about brands, what to look for, how much is reasonable to spend would be appreciated.  I’m going to the local Galyan’s tomorrow.  I’d like to think I could try the hobby for $150…is that reasonable? Thanks! Scott

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Yes it is entirely reasonable Scott. St Croix has the Legend series of fly rods for around $100, I own 3 of them and entirely satisfied with them all. There are several of us on this NG who have "discovered" Cabela’s 3 Forks and Stowaway series flyrods. I can tell you that I have extensively tested all my 3 Forks and Stowaways and they are well worth the money. Probably the best dollar for dollar buy on fly rods anywhere. Since you are new at this flyrodding business, a slower action rod would be the best choice for you, and the Cabela’s rods are slow action rods.  You will be fishing for trout on the Rogue (presumably) I would recommend a 5 wt 9 footer.  St Croix carries this in One other piece of advice, you can get a good reel these days for around $40 and up, and that’s really all you need, but get a decent quality line.  Hope this helps. Frank Church Elkhart, IN USAF RETIRED – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All apologies if the answer is in an FAQ…I couldn’t find on for this NG. I’ll be on the Rogue river in OR this month, and would like to try fly fishing.  I’m a fairly learned baitcasting guy. Problem is, I’ve no equipment.  I’d like to buy a starter combo, and am looking at a Cortland (http://www.cbsmall.com/cgi-bin/webc.exe/discountfishinginc/st_prod.ht… p rodid=130&p_catid=16&sid=4Wi2mP01630e2xz-27100614880.92) for $150 and this Cahill (http://thestore.alloutdoors.com/productfamily.asp?dept=1&category=103… b cat=10325&pf=40193&sid=&shopperid=F2R1KL5P97S92LPH00A3HLDGRM5A3TBD) for $65. Any suggestions about brands, what to look for, how much is reasonable to spend would be appreciated.  I’m going to the local Galyan’s tomorrow.  I’d like to think I could try the hobby for $150…is that reasonable? Thanks! Scott

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Welcome to flyfishing Scott.  If you want a very economical starter set, I would suggest a Pflueger Purist 5 or 6 wt 8 1/2′ rod from Kmart or GI Joe’s for about $45 and a Pflueger Medalist reel (about $30?) or an Okuma Sierra (for $39 from www.Ezyflyfish.com), and a Cortland Fair Play fly line to match the rod.  All for well under a $100.  The rods are surprisingly good performers compared to anything I’ve tried for under $100.  I agree with the idea of renting or borrowing some equipment first, if possible, and also taking some flycasting lessons. Good Luck flyfishing, Pat K * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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John, I got the beer, but where’s my steak? — Opie  –Planning for the Past–

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – …this is by far the best……spend three c-notes on a half a day’s fishing with a lot of instruction and a person in your frame of mind will save a lot of money in the long run…..buy the guide a beer and a sandwich or steak afterwards and keep you ears open!……john Problem is, I’ve no equipment.  I’d like to buy a starter combo, You know, there is another possibility here.  A lot of fly shops out here have rental equipment.  I would check around and find a fly shop that offers some rentals and go in there.  Chances are that you can rent equipment and perhaps get some free casting lessons while you try out rods.  That would free up some money for flies, tippet, ect while keeping the costs down to a minimum in case you don’t like fly fishing. Warren X#-[ Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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I’ve been watching this thread pretty close and it has come to my attention that more well thought out posts are now being offered. There are a great many more posts that recommend low cost great for beginners starter kits like the Cabelas line and a lot less of the "what do you want to fish for and where" along with the "get what fits you" and "The better you learn with, the better you’ll be (meaning spend a bundle on a fast long rod.) The last of which is pure BS. A beginner needs a rod that will let him feel loading and allow him time to react, is forgiving of off timing and minor foepas. Is not expensive to buy leaving enough for vet flys etc. is short enough not to tangle in tree limbs. Last but not least is a combination that is still of use even after the graduation up to the faster longer rods as expertise grows. The best advice is to amass all the mail order catalogs you can get. Study them, Then purchase a starter combo that is slow, short , and pleases your eye. By the way the reel is important unless you are fishing for shinners. John Popp

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Problem is, I’ve no equipment.  I’d like to buy a starter combo, You know, there is another possibility here.  A lot of fly shops out here have rental equipment.  I would check around and find a fly shop that offers some rentals and go in there.  Chances are that you can rent equipment and perhaps get some free casting lessons while you try out rods.  That would free up some money for flies, tippet, ect while keeping the costs down to a minimum in case you don’t like fly fishing. Warren X#-[ Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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The FAQ page can be found on the new ROFF page.  The link is bellow.  A lot of other good ROFF information is also on the page.  Enjoy.  :-) BTW, I like the Cabela’s rods for the buck.  Check out http://www.cabelas.com/texis/scripts/store/+/CatalogDisplay/displayPOD/C abFALL1998/CabFALL1998AVATAA/IA495C They are in your price range and would be a good starting point. However you should know that after you’re hooked, you might want something that cost a little bit more and that fits your particular fishing style. — Vern The new ROFF page: http://home.earthlink.net/~flyfishing4fun "Wilderness needs no defense, only more defenders"                             quote by Edward Abbey All apologies if the answer is in an FAQ…I couldn’t find on for this NG. (snip) Problem is, I’ve no equipment.  I’d like to buy a starter combo, and am looking at a Cortland for $150 and this Cahill (snip)… I’d like to think I could try the hobby for $150…is that reasonable?

YES Thanks! Scott

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…this is by far the best……spend three c-notes on a half a day’s fishing with a lot of instruction and a person in your frame of mind will save a lot of money in the long run…..buy the guide a beer and a sandwich or steak afterwards and keep you ears open!……john

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Problem is, I’ve no equipment.  I’d like to buy a starter combo, You know, there is another possibility here.  A lot of fly shops out here have rental equipment.  I would check around and find a fly shop that offers some rentals and go in there.  Chances are that you can rent equipment and perhaps get some free casting lessons while you try out rods.  That would free up some money for flies, tippet, ect while keeping the costs down to a minimum in case you don’t like fly fishing. Warren X#-[ Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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All apologies if the answer is in an FAQ…I couldn’t find on for this NG.

There is a FAQ somewhere, but the best advice on ROFF is "DUCK!" and "Be afraid, be very afraid…"  <G.  Seriously, a FAQ on this would be kinda useless, as there are many opinions.  You know what they say about opinions and assholes?   Well, ROFF is ground zero…<G. I’ll be on the Rogue river in OR this month, and would like to try fly fishing.  I’m a fairly learned baitcasting guy.

Oregon?  There are some here that will be a great help, I’m sure. Problem is, I’ve no equipment.  I’d like to buy a starter combo, and am looking at a Cortland (http://www.cbsmall.com/cgi-bin/webc.exe/discountfishinginc/st_prod.ht… rodid=130&p_catid=16&sid=4Wi2mP01630e2xz-27100614880.92) for $150 and this Cahill (http://thestore.alloutdoors.com/productfamily.asp?dept=1&category=103… cat=10325&pf=40193&sid=&shopperid=F2R1KL5P97S92LPH00A3HLDGRM5A3TBD) for $65.

JMO, but I wouldn’t buy your first rod via mail order.  Trying to buy a rod/reel this way is like saying "I like blue.  Please send blue pants." You really need to actually feel, handle, and optimally, cast the rod, especially as a novice. Any suggestions about brands, what to look for, how much is reasonable to spend would be appreciated.  I’m going to the local Galyan’s tomorrow.  I’d like to think I could try the hobby for $150…is that reasonable?

Well, again, JMO, but you did ask:  Is that reasonable?  Yes.  Possible? Yes.  Likely?  Depends.  Confused?  Sorry.  Seriously, it is related to the advice above in that you need to find a rod you like, and you might like a 20.00 rod or you might like a 2000.00 rod.   If your situation is such that money is no object, then buy what you like, period, be it 20.00 or 2000.00.  IMO, any synthetic rod over about 200.00 is priced for reasons other than "cost," i.e. seat and handle hardware, finish, guides, name, handwork, warranty, etc., and is a "value to buyer" situation.  This is OK, just understand what your money is buying. If you need/want to stay on a budget (or just have a frugal streak), go get a cheapo rod and reel (if you buy a "Starter Set," you will likely need another line) at WalMart/KMart or get something used, like at a pawn shop, in the appropriate size.  Why?  Simple: you likely don’t know what you like, and having no experience to go on, won’t know cheap from expensive, or even if you like the sport, so why risk any more than needed to check it out?  I’ll say JMO, but I’d doubt any could prove me wrong: A 20.00 flyrod can have, and usually does have, more in common with a 1000.00 rod than a novice would think, same for a 15.00 versus a 600.00 reel (learning, practice, freshwater, and, generally, fish under 15ish pounds), but a 15.00 line is not likely even close to 40.00 line. A 1500.00 rig will not be easier or faster to learn on, nor will it necessarily be "better" for a particular person.  Buy a good DT (Double Taper) line for practice because when you wear one end out _practicing_(hint, hint), you can reverse it and have a "new line."  A WF (Weight Forward) would seem a waste here, but YMMV. Also, JMO: you can teach yourself, but lessons from a pro or experienced flyrodder can be invaluable and will likely speed things up.  This is where some "budgeting" might come in: If a shop you like and feel you trust offers free classes for new customers, but charges for non-customers, that might figure into the above "cheapo" advice, and would likely be worth figuring in. HTH? TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Scott

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Problem is, I’ve no equipment.  I’d like to buy a starter combo,

You know, there is another possibility here.  A lot of fly shops out here have rental equipment.  I would check around and find a fly shop that offers some rentals and go in there.  Chances are that you can rent equipment and perhaps get some free casting lessons while you try out rods.  That would free up some money for flies, tippet, ect while keeping the costs down to a minimum in case you don’t like fly fishing. Warren X#-[

Trout Dwellers Unite! Western Conclave Guru For info: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/sp_ROFF_people/wclave/wclave.html

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Hi All on the Caribbean Travel News Group, If you have any questions about traveling or staying in Belize, I would contacted Marge Perez. She runs a travel agency at the International airport outside Belize City. Margie worked for Tropic Air for many years and knows the country better than most people. She has friends or relatives in many places in Belize. She is used by the famous Orvis Company (USA) for cordinating their customers that travel to Belize. She is on-line and will have a web site up soon. I have a good knowledge of the fly fishing in Belize if you need any help there.

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I have a good knowledge of the fly fishing in Belize if you need any help there——What kind if fly fishing? In streams or in bays? What kind of fish?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All on the Caribbean Travel News Group, If you have any questions about traveling or staying in Belize, I would contacted Marge Perez. She runs a travel agency at the International airport outside Belize City. Margie worked for Tropic Air for many years and knows the country better than most people. She has friends or relatives in many places in Belize. She is used by the famous Orvis Company (USA) for cordinating their customers that travel to Belize. She is on-line and will have a web site up soon. I have a good knowledge of the fly fishing in Belize if you need any help there.

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It’s our 2-year anniversary this weekend, and hubby and I had decided a couple of weeks ago that we’d go out to a nice restaurant for dinner.  Well, 2 nights ago he said he wanted to make a weekend of it and we could take a short trip somewhere.  I was so excite because 1) he never wants to take trips; and 2) I’d really been wanting to just get away for a couple of days for a long time coming, and this sounded perfect.  Well, this meant he’d have to work a late the rest of the week so he wouldn’t have to work this weekend.  I went to his work the night before and last night and helped out a bit.  I didn’t mind one bit even though I was having a bad week myself.  I just kept saying, just think of this weekend.  So I was really counting on it.  On our way home last night, I asked where he thought we could go this weekend.  He then said he was going to be too tired to go anywhere this weekend, and we’d do it next weekend.  I reminded him my mom was coming to visit that weekend.  So he said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never.   Believe me, every time we don’t have a definite date scheduled for something it never happens.  And we can’t schedule anything too far in advance now because of his erratic travel schedule. This has happenned before… where he’ll suggest something, get my hopes up, then it never happens.  Like this spring he suggested we take a weekend and go to one of the local resorts.  I said great.  Two weeks later when he hadn’t mentioned it further, I pulled out some brochures to look at with him.  He said he’d take care of the planning and not to push him on it (is looking at brochures pushing someone???).   Anyway, I never brought it up again, and the trip never happenned. To top things off, I went to the salon last night to lighten my hair (from dark brown -> medium brown) and I ended up blonde (kinda my fault, long story).  I’m going back this weekend to get it fixed (for free), but I have to sit through work today (including a meeting with the CEO of our company this morning) with blonde hair. OK, I feel better now.  Thanks for the ears.  Oh, and any advice on how to handle hubby’s lack of planning would be greatly appreciated. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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From: melissa >So he >said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never.  

Ooooh I HATE that!!  Here’s what you do. The moment he says, "let’s go" you ask, "where to?"  The idea is to get him on the upswing and strike while the iron’s hot.  Get as much info from him at this time, ’cause as the days go by there will be more of a chance that he’ll change his mind. Once you have an idea of what he prefers, you take it upon yourself to make all the arrangements.  Don’t ask him what he thinks about this or that during the planning period… just do it, but do keep in mind his likes and dislikes…. as in don’t plan on a beach resort getaway if hubby mentioned going to the mountains in that preliminary conversation. When everything is arranged (and paid for) present him with the plan. Be prepared for a tantrum… and even for the possibility that you won’t be going anywhere.  In that case, remind him that there go $X that you’ll never get back. Also, be prepared for hubby to reproach the fact that you went ahead and made all the plans without him.  That’s when you *calmly* tell him exactly how it makes you feel when he promises something and then doesn’t come through. Explain that you didn’t want to be disappointed again so you took it upon yourself to plan the trip.  If nothing else, you’ll get started on communicating  about the problem.  Maybe it’ll break him of the bad habit of blowing smoke up your ass.  Good luck.

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Melissa Quick, you have half a day to plan. Find a nice place that is not too far from home and relaxing. Pack your bag and his and as soon as he comes home, kidnap him. Tell him he has to do nothing just enjoy being with you and he can relax. Then drive off with him … Sorry, my imagination is running wild but I do feel for you. This is a hard situation to be in …. I think Gidget’s ideas are great though. Katie Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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melissa wrote: > reminded him my mom was coming to visit that weekend.  So he > said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never.

I can feel the disappointment oozing off the screen here on my end.   > Believe me, every time we don’t have a definite date > scheduled for something it never happens.  And we can’t > schedule anything too far in advance now because of his > erratic travel schedule.

Trent’s idea has merit (i.e., schedule non-refundable vacations, etc), but my guess is that you’re limited by his travel schedule.  If that’s the case, then you’ll have to gird yourself and dicuss how his behavior in this manner bothers you.  And THEN start scehduling non-refundable vacations!  :) > resorts.  I said great.  Two weeks later when he hadn’t > mentioned it further, I pulled out some brochures to look at > with him.  He said he’d take care of the planning and not to > push him on it (is looking at brochures pushing someone???).

It could be seen that way.  If he wanted to have children right now and you wanted to wait a few years, would his leaving a copy of "Parents" magazine laying around be seen as pushing by you?  Its all in the eye of the beholder.   You know what, though?  When you couple this vacation-ditching conduct with the cold feet house purchase, he does seem to have a thing about committing, though.  Its got to be exasperating. > To top things off, I went to the salon last night to lighten > my hair (from dark brown -> medium brown) and I ended up > blonde (kinda my fault, long story).  I’m going back this > weekend to get it fixed (for free), but I have to sit > through work today (including a meeting with the CEO of our > company this morning) with blonde hair.

Missie!  I think you look devine as a blonde!  If you’re serious about having it fixed this weekend, I’m sorely tempted to make a comment about your husband having a short window of opportunity for role-playing sex involving a blonde.  But sometimes discretion wins.  I won’t say anything!  :) > OK, I feel better now.  Thanks for the ears.  Oh, and any > advice on how to handle hubby’s lack of planning would be > greatly appreciated.

Have you read Passionate Marriage yet?  Its a given in marriage that the low desire partner controls the amount of any activity (in this case, vacationing). But you know what?  I don’t think its a low desire issue here…I think its a reluctance to commit to some course of behavior.  Why don’t *you* commit him instead (not to a mental institution, although I bet that’s crossed your mind Drew

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<37c0e0d7.117195…@news.flatoday.infi.net>… >On 23 Aug 1999 01:16:51 GMT, gidgeto…@aol.com (GidgetOliv) wrote: ><snip> >>What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing >>with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just curious… >Education involves so much more than just learning from books … how >about the social aspects of learning about different kinds of people, >getting along in groups and learning how to settle conflicts in an >acceptable manner?

There are many many schools where this doesn’t apply. I don’t think that the alternatives to public education sprang up purely because of doubts that the children were receiving anadequate education. I really think that there is more to it. These alternatives are a way of coping with situations that are otherwise intolerable for many. >Additionally, in a good classroom, the teacher will let the group >stumble around trying to solve problems or discuss aspects of an >assignment … even wrong answers or peculiar tangents contain much >useful knowledge .. that is missing in home schooling.

The qualifier there is "good classroom". They’re becoming more rare with each passing day. I know several good teachers who are very frustrated at the way things have developed over the past couple of decades. >Then there are the athletic aspects … unless home school parents have >a dozen kids, most physical activites involving teamwork can’t be done.

Sure they can – kids can still play hockey and baseball etc on the community teams. >Granted, if a person lives in the middle of an ice field in Alaska or is >otherwise isolated, home schooling beats no schooling but in general, >while people mean well, I suspect a great many kids are being ill-served >with such efforts.

The studies are showing (at least where I live) that home schooled children are on par or above children who are attending public, private, and charter schools. >Instead of yanking the kids out of school, find out >exactly what is being done and then supplement those efforts with the >things you think are missing.

What if it’s not the missing things that bother you? What if it’s the things that are being done? >By the way, I seriously doubt many parents are competent across the >board other than for the lowest levels of school …

I thinkmany parents don’t realize the work that is involved. Im’ not sure it’s a matter of competency but there is a huge time commitment for each passing grade. You work for it just as much (if not more) than your children do. >the first few years would seem to put the child at a big disadvantage >when s/he is thrown into the arena with kids who already know the ropes >and who have formed strong friendships.

One has to be very careful to introduce social situations whenever possible to avoid that type of scenario. — ….my two cents ….

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<19990822211651.24654.00001…@ng-ch1.aol.com>… >What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing >with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just

curious… It depends on the situation. It takes a lot of time (and I do mean a lot)… you have to be very careful that it doesn’t put a wedge between you and your kid(s) cause you’re now the parent and the teacher… kind of hard to find time to relax sometimes. The plus side is that you have a whole lot more input into your child’s education and you can be actively involved in shaping their future. You might want to check out the area that you live in to see what kind of support is given to homeschooling families. In our area, we have the full resources of the schools in our district as well as staff from the distance learning center. The newsgroups and your community papers will probably give you more of a lead about what’s available. Before you make the choice, you might want to check other options – like an online school,perhaps, where the kids have a teacher but you have the kids at home. It would help you decide which would be best if you know why you are looking for alternatives. — ….my two cents ….

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On 23 Aug 1999 01:16:51 GMT, gidgeto…@aol.com (GidgetOliv) wrote: <snip> >What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing >with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just curious…

Education involves so much more than just learning from books … how about the social aspects of learning about different kinds of people, getting along in groups and learning how to settle conflicts in an acceptable manner? In classrooms, students see that people learn at different rates and in different ways.  Some do better with quantitative methods while others thrive with qualitative methods.  Home schooling most likely will only use one method; that risks stunting the potential growth that might otherwise occur. Additionally, in a good classroom, the teacher will let the group stumble around trying to solve problems or discuss aspects of an assignment … even wrong answers or peculiar tangents contain much useful knowledge .. that is missing in home schooling. Then there are the athletic aspects … unless home school parents have a dozen kids, most physical activites involving teamwork can’t be done. Granted, if a person lives in the middle of an ice field in Alaska or is otherwise isolated, home schooling beats no schooling but in general, while people mean well, I suspect a great many kids are being ill-served with such efforts.   Instead of yanking the kids out of school, find out exactly what is being done and then supplement those efforts with the things you think are missing. By the way, I seriously doubt many parents are competent across the board other than for the lowest levels of school … to home school for the first few years would seem to put the child at a big disadvantage when s/he is thrown into the arena with kids who already know the ropes and who have formed strong friendships. Floridanewbie

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GidgetOliv asked: >What do you folks think of homeschooling

It has become a very popular alternative here in Alaska. It is working very well and has attempted to alleviate as many of the shortcomings as possible. We have one public school district (open state-wide) where you get a computer when you enroll and attend classes on-line. The homeschooled kids have their own graduation ceremony here in Fairbanks. We have 3 students in our karate school whose monthly dues are paid by the school district to satisfy their physical education requirement (or some other elective). It wouldn’t work for me, though. I am not confident that I have the right temperament to teach my own children. I don’t know whether I could be objective enough. — Sourdough sez: We would worry a lot less about what other people think of us, if we realized how seldom they do.

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From: floridanew…@hotmail.com  (floridanewbie) >trent_m…@hotmail.com (Trent) wrote: ><snip> >>–      What have you done to save your schoolchild this year? >Just sneaking in here Trent … >that list of things (security and safety) people should know about their >children’s schools is at Gavin deBecker’s site:

This post reminds me…. What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just curious…

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In article <11f733ec.1e956…@usw-ex0106-048.remarq.com>, melissa  <missie.johnsonNOcrS…@eudoramail.com> wrote: >It’s our 2-year anniversary this weekend, and hubby and I >had decided a couple of weeks ago that we’d go out to a nice >restaurant for dinner.  Well, 2 nights ago he said he wanted >to make a weekend of it and we could take a short trip >somewhere.  I was so excite because 1) he never wants to

Well… I would have gone anyway.  Yes, even if that meant going by yourself.  Because you know why… I get the feeling that this scenario plays itself out again and again because nothing otherwise happens.   Yes, I would have said, "Oh, that’s too bad. Will you really be too tired? Oh, well, I’m going to go.  I really wish you’d come to." Then do it. He either would not have come, in which case you could have had a nice relaxing weekend to yourself. If he had come, then you would have rousted him out of his old lazy habits, and the two of you could have had a great time. He "ruins" things for you so often because in a way, you let him. amy — alyo…@bluemarble.net                   http://www.bluemarble.net/~alyoung                         Speaking only for myself.

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I’m not a big fan especially after 3-4th grade because the kids get educaion from various people who are trained very highly in the subjects they’re teaching.  There’s no way I have the resources to give my child the kind of round education in music, chemistry, and algebra that three different teachers who have degrees to teach these specifics can.  I’m a big supporter of private and magnet schools. Tamara – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> GidgetOliv said… > This post reminds me…. > What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing > with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just curious…

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Nothing serious but sometimes people refuse to do things if they have problems with strangers. I mean maybe he gained weight and he doesn’t like to see people, maybe he doesn’t have nice out fits, maybe he doesn’t like the car..etc U know anything and it could be nothing but being busy with work. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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I think for some people homeschooling could work out. The people who I know who homeschool have had all good things to say, and their kids have ended up doing great on their SAT’s and in college. Personnally though, I would love to be able to teach my kids and have that family time before they grow up and move on. But, I don’t think I could do justice to their education. I am well educated, and excelled in school, but kids today are learning more, and learning it different then I did even 10 yrs. ago. I also think that kids have to experience the socializing with their peers. I hate when kids are teased, and the bickering that goes on amongst the children at school, but I also realize that kids learn how to adjust, and learn that in their life they are going to run into people that don’t see eye to eye with them. I don’t believe that school is only for education. School teaches you life, socialization, and commitments, and responsibilities. Just my 2 cents worth momalot – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -GidgetOliv wrote: > From: floridanew…@hotmail.com  (floridanewbie) > >trent_m…@hotmail.com (Trent) wrote: > ><snip> > >>–      What have you done to save your schoolchild this year? > >Just sneaking in here Trent … > >that list of things (security and safety) people should know about their > >children’s schools is at Gavin deBecker’s site: > This post reminds me…. > What do you folks think of homeschooling? (I know there are newsgroups dealing > with the topic, but I want to know what people *here* think.)  Just curious…

– ned!

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do something for yourself…..go to a movie go shopping just do something gary

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Sorry I misunderstood.  I realize that some people just like to get to where they’re going and not have to bothered with the details. I Agree with you!  I think we all feel that way sometimes about something. But if this guy is this way.  Why does he seem to get so pissed when she tries to take the initiative?  Also, the worries about whether you can afford it or not might be valid.  Can you afford these trips Melissa?  Are you 100% aware of all financial situations in your marriage?  Make sure you know all about his and your debt and responsibilities.  Because, If he works like a dog for a vacation and you help.  Then, all of the sudden he is too tired to go and worried about the money. There might be something he is afraid to share.  Maybe he is just more worried about spending or working up debt on the credit cards or something.  You should save for a vacation.  Not just up and go and think you will just put it on the "card" and pay for it later.  This is how you get upside down in debt.  Be careful, I think lots of relatively new marriages have these problems. L8R, Carl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -GidgetOliv wrote: > From: Carl mcent…@earthlink.net > >Yeah, or maybe he’ll just start blowing all of his vacation days from that > >point on > >fishing with the guys.  I would be careful dropping that kind of bomb on a > >guy. > Absolutely!  But I never meant for her to keep it a secret… just to take him > up on it but be in charge of all the planning. > My partner does this every year… he’s usually the one to suggest vacation > destinations, but I’m the one who gets to do all the booking and planning. > Not complaining in the least, as I realize that some people just like to get to > where they’re going and not have to bothered with the details.

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>I >do like the idea of planning something myself with advance >notice from him.  He wouldn’t be thrilled, but as long as it >wasn’t something he’d openly opposed… he’d go along with >it.

Some people just don’t like the element of surprise.  You can always tell him that "his" idea to get away is an excellent one, and that he shouldn’t worry because you’ll take care of the arrangements.  That way you won’t be surprising him with plans "out of the blue" Also, you mentioned that he whines about whether or not you can afford it.  It got me thinking… maybe during that first conversation, when he says "let’s get away" you could say "I don’t know… can we afford it?"  If it’s *his* idea to get away, he might come back with something like, "Sure we can… we’re just talking [blank] bucks or so."  If he does, then you can use his figure and plan around that budget.  Then if he whines, you remind him that it was all his idea in the first place.  :)

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On Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:37:06 GMT, trent_m…@hotmail.com (Trent) wrote:

<snip> >–      What have you done to save your schoolchild this year?

Just sneaking in here Trent … that list of things (security and safety) people should know about their children’s schools is at Gavin deBecker’s site:   http://www.gdbinc.com/ Floridanewbie

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> Can you afford these trips Melissa?  Are you 100% aware of > all financial situations in your marriage?

Yes, we can afford the kind of weekend trip he was talking about.  About our financial situation, I know more about it than he does… I’m the bill payer in the house, and I see everything, from credit card info to checkcard info to what checks went where. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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What about planning something that you can afford? Trade houses with a family member or friend out of town? Even a picnic can be a getaway if you plan right. There are specials posted on the web for hotels and stuff….. last minute deals……. usually the ones in your own town are quite reasonable. — ….my two cents …. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -melissa wrote in message <0221c012.928fa…@usw-ex0102-014.remarq.com>… > Besides, the last time I surprised him with a night away >from home, all he did was whine about whether or not we >could afford it.  It really ruined the evening.

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From: Carl mcent…@earthlink.net >Yeah, or maybe he’ll just start blowing all of his vacation days from that >point on >fishing with the guys.  I would be careful dropping that kind of bomb on a >guy.

Absolutely!  But I never meant for her to keep it a secret… just to take him up on it but be in charge of all the planning. My partner does this every year… he’s usually the one to suggest vacation destinations, but I’m the one who gets to do all the booking and planning. Not complaining in the least, as I realize that some people just like to get to where they’re going and not have to bothered with the details.

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Yeah, or maybe he’ll just start blowing all of his vacation days from that point on fishing with the guys.  I would be careful dropping that kind of bomb on a guy. Doing it in stages might be better.  For instance, if you have to fly, mention you purchased the airline tickets for the "trip" today (get the kind you can schedule departure after the fact).  Then ask when it would be a good time to sit down and figure out the dates so you can schedule the departure and hotel reservations. Then, at the point you notice his interest is peaking and he has accepted the fact you are going.  Ask him to help plan or investigate some activities to do while you are there and express that you want to make sure you do things he would like. Carl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -GidgetOliv wrote: > From: melissa > >So he > >said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never. > Ooooh I HATE that!!  Here’s what you do. > The moment he says, "let’s go" you ask, "where to?"  The idea is to get him on > the upswing and strike while the iron’s hot.  Get as much info from him at this > time, ’cause as the days go by there will be more of a chance that he’ll change > his mind. > Once you have an idea of what he prefers, you take it upon yourself to make all > the arrangements.  Don’t ask him what he thinks about this or that during the > planning period… just do it, but do keep in mind his likes and dislikes…. > as in don’t plan on a beach resort getaway if hubby mentioned going to the > mountains in that preliminary conversation. > When everything is arranged (and paid for) present him with the plan. Be > prepared for a tantrum… and even for the possibility that you won’t be going > anywhere.  In that case, remind him that there go $X that you’ll never get > back. > Also, be prepared for hubby to reproach the fact that you went ahead and made > all the plans without him.  That’s when you *calmly* tell him exactly how it > makes you feel when he promises something and then doesn’t come through. > Explain that you didn’t want to be disappointed again so you took it upon > yourself to plan the trip.  If nothing else, you’ll get started on > communicating  about the problem.  Maybe it’ll break him of the bad habit of > blowing smoke up your ass.  Good luck.

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> Find a nice place that is not too far from home and > relaxing. Pack your bag and his and as soon as he comes > home, kidnap him. Tell him he has to do nothing just enjoy > being with you and he can relax. Then drive off with him > …

As much as I’d *love* to do this, I don’t think he’d be too happy at all, which would cause him much misery on what should be a happy occasion.  Just the fact that I went ahead and planned something he’d nixed would really piss him off.  Besides, the last time I surprised him with a night away from home, all he did was whine about whether or not we could afford it.  It really ruined the evening. Thanks for the advice though you guys, I appreciate it.  I do like the idea of planning something myself with advance notice from him.  He wouldn’t be thrilled, but as long as it wasn’t something he’d openly opposed… he’d go along with it. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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> Missie! I think you look devine as a blonde! If you’re > serious about having it fixed this weekend, I’m sorely > tempted to make a comment about your husband having a > short window of opportunity for role-playing sex involving > a blonde. But sometimes discretion wins. I won’t say > anything!

Thanks for the discretion, Drew.  Actually, I’m at auburn now (I had it fixed just a little while ago).  Not what I wanted, but not blonde, either.  You’ve gotta understand, I’m definitely not one of those complexions that is good for blonde hair.  My natural hair color is so dark a brown it’s almost black!  Anyhow, I like the auburn… I feel much much better. Melissa * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Well, then go off and have a fun weekend by yourself. If he insists on spoiling things, don’t allow yourself to be dragged down to his level. Yes, it’s your anniversary … he’s shown a disregard for your feelings in this matter. Take yourself to a nice hotel or B&B, snuggle up with a brandy and a good book, and spoil yourself. –Welmoed

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Melissa, what would happen if you planned the weekend…Get flowers, dress the house up a little with decorations like it was someplace else.  Then, make sure you send up a flare to the families/friends that call often to resist unless it’s an emergency.  Get a new cute "lingerie" type item and have a romantic dinner planned with his favorite meal.  It could be pizza by candlelight if that’s what he loves.  Then, during the evening maybe post-meal while your stomachs are settling, before the "passionate replay of the consummation of your marriage", mention how you wanted to give him a "weekend away" without the hassle of traveling somewhere and that you hope he would try harder to plan a short trip somewhere for you soon.  I for one would love this myself…maybe I should keep a copy of this for my wife. Good luck, Carl P.S.  All marriages have bumps and you shouldn’t feel bad about maybe seeking some biblically based counseling to help with your communication skills and understanding each others different needs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -melissa wrote: > It’s our 2-year anniversary this weekend, and hubby and I > had decided a couple of weeks ago that we’d go out to a nice > restaurant for dinner.  Well, 2 nights ago he said he wanted > to make a weekend of it and we could take a short trip > somewhere.  I was so excite because 1) he never wants to > take trips; and 2) I’d really been wanting to just get away > for a couple of days for a long time coming, and this > sounded perfect.  Well, this meant he’d have to work a > late the rest of the week so he wouldn’t have to work this > weekend.  I went to his work the night before and last night > and helped out a bit.  I didn’t mind one bit even though I > was having a bad week myself.  I just kept saying, just > think of this weekend.  So I was really counting on it.  On > our way home last night, I asked where he thought we could > go this weekend.  He then said he was going to be too tired > to go anywhere this weekend, and we’d do it next weekend.  I > reminded him my mom was coming to visit that weekend.  So he > said we’d do it some other time… which equates to never. > Believe me, every time we don’t have a definite date > scheduled for something it never happens.  And we can’t > schedule anything too far in advance now because of his > erratic travel schedule. > This has happenned before… where he’ll suggest something, > get my hopes up, then it never happens.  Like this spring he > suggested we take a weekend and go to one of the local > resorts.  I said great.  Two weeks later when he hadn’t > mentioned it further, I pulled out some brochures to look at > with him.  He said he’d take care of the planning and not to > push him on it (is looking at brochures pushing someone???). > Anyway, I never brought it up again, and the trip never > happenned. > To top things off, I went to the salon last night to lighten > my hair (from dark brown -> medium brown) and I ended up > blonde (kinda my fault, long story).  I’m going back this > weekend to get it fixed (for free), but I have to sit > through work today (including a meeting with the CEO of our > company this morning) with blonde hair. > OK, I feel better now.  Thanks for the ears.  Oh, and any > advice on how to handle hubby’s lack of planning would be > greatly appreciated. > Melissa > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Man, you guys over there in the good ole US of A don’t know what you’re missin’ out on!! Seriously though some excellent fly-fishing is to be had in Tassie. My favourite moments are those when the fish is poking around in 4 inchs of water, spotted back and dorsals breaking the surface. The fish’s window of vision is so small the fly needs to land right in the fish’s path. Too close and the fish is spooked, too far and the fish won’t even notice the fly. I’ve spent up to two hours on a single fish until finally setting the hook. If you fancy a bit of polaroiding then Tassie’s sandy bottom lakes will make you happy (although their not all sandy bottomed!!!!). Large fish up to around 8 pounds cruise around in these crystal clear waters, some tarns are not bigger than an average family’s block of land. If you don’t mind inching your way around on your stomach trying to fool a brown, then Tassie is place for your next visit. Just remember Got any questions about Tassie then read a book! or ask ME..I live in Melbourne which just across bass strait for those of you not familiar. Tassie’s nice but I wouldn’t live there. By the way I am looking for female fly-fishing penfriends….leave a message and I’ll get back. Mark

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Man, you guys over there in the good ole US of A don’t know what you’re missin’ out on!! Seriously though some excellent fly-fishing is to be had in Tassie. Got any questions about Tassie then read a book! or ask ME..I live in Melbourne which just across bass strait for those of you not familiar. Mark

Or you con contact me. I live in the US but my Father in Law is in Tazzie and is Currently the President of Fly Fish Australia. Malcom (his name) and I are in the planning stage of arranging holiday packages for the fly fisherman who would like to try some of the BEST fishing in the world, Anyone interested should contact me, as he is not yet on the net, but we’re working on it. Thanks.

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I’m new to fly fishing and planning to be in Yosemetie national park in the end of august.Does anyone know where I should go for good fishing? How about any rules or regulations I should be aware of? I also hope to do

Best fishing at end of August will be in the many backcountry lakes. Plenty of water this year, most high lakes will not thaw until August. Many secluded areas, but they entail a little extra work to reach. Those areas in North Boundry Country can be quiet and some along east side.  Tuolumne Meadows is a good base.  Campground reservations call 800 365 2267.  Permits required for backcountry overnight trips, 50% on a first come bases, 50% in advance (March-May31).  Great hikes and fishing within 3-7 miles. Try the following flies: Timberline Emerger, Stimulators,  Chironomid Pupas, Black Matuka, Mini Leech, Bright Butt Woolly Worm.  Rainbows, brooks, browns, and golden trout, up to 14 inches, most smaller. Goldens , if you haven’t seen them, they are the most beautiful in the world.  I’ll be fishing this country myself early August.  Give me a Randall Kaufmann

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: I’m new to fly fishing and planning to be in Yosemetie national park in : the end of august.Does anyone know where I should go for good fishing? How : about any rules or regulations I should be aware of? I also hope to do : Best fishing at end of August will be in the many backcountry lakes. : Plenty of water this year, most high lakes will not thaw until August. : Many secluded areas, but they entail a little extra work to reach. : Those areas in North Boundry Country can be quiet and some along east : side.  Tuolumne Meadows is a good base.  Campground reservations call : 800 365 2267.  Permits required for backcountry overnight trips, 50% : on a first come bases, 50% in advance (March-May31).  Great hikes and : fishing within 3-7 miles. : Randall Kaufmann Randy and Andy, I will be in the Yosemite backcountry working at the Vogelsang highcamp.  Friends of mine who have worked there in the past say there are some really nice lakes with excellent fishing contrary to the fishing in the valley.  Also, my spies say there is a lake up there that has some beautiful cutthroats.  Most of these lake are sort secret gems tucked away in the cover of the mountains. I would be happy to talk with anyone interested in the Yosemite backcountry.  C&R only.  Maybe we can go fishing together.  I’ll be up there all summer long until middle September. BTW, Mike Tucker, if you are reading this.  Thankyou for the great outfit you set me up with.  It really is the perfect Sierra backcountry trout setup.  Another VERY satisfied customer of Grizzly Creek Trading Company am I.   Regards, George Chan — *George M. Chan                         * "Yea, but bacon tastes good,  * *                                       *                               *

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I’m new to fly fishing and planning to be in Yosemetie national park in the end of august.Does anyone know where I should go for good fishing? How about any rules or regulations I should be aware of? I also hope to do

I was in Yosemite last August and had mixed feelings.  The senery is spectacular, but the throngs of crowds are hard to take.  I felt like I was still in the city, the only difference, we were robbed by bears instead of people (I think I’d prefer people, more predictable).  Anyway, fishing in that area is tough due to a lack of water in the late summer.  Don’t even think about fishing in the Valley, no water, too many people and probably very few fish. We did manage to fish in the east end of the park.  There are fewer people in that area.  There is a big lake near the pass, just east of the park boundry (can’t rember the name) with good fishing from the bank all around it.  There is also a tiny creek that runs along the road a few miles west of the lake.  We had a blast catching tiny Golden Trout.  They were only about 6" to 8" long but were really hard to fool. Happy Trouting!

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I’m new to fly fishing and planning to be in Yosemetie national park in the end of august.Does anyone know where I should go for good fishing? How about any rules or regulations I should be aware of? I also hope to do

My advice is to avoid Yosemite Valley in the Summer.  It’s a zoo. There are many other beautiful but lower-key areas of the Sierra Nevada. While I haven’t been there in 5 or 6 years, the Devil’s Postpile/Red’s Meadow area east of Yosemite used to be a less crowded alternative, and the scenery is spectacular.  

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I’m new to fly fishing and planning to be in Yosemetie national park in the end of august.Does anyone know where I should go for good fishing? How about any rules or regulations I should be aware of? I also hope to do

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  My hatch charts list a Cadis fly called Grannom of which I cant   recall seeing so: Can someone tell me the color this flys body?   regards

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:   My hatch charts list a Cadis fly called Grannom of which I cant :   recall seeing so: Can someone tell me the color this flys body? :   regards I have seen the Grannom advertised as the Brachycentrus caddis, the color of which I know not.  Perhaps an entomologist can now help.                                 -jamie

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  My hatch charts list a Cadis fly called Grannom of which I cant   recall seeing so: Can someone tell me the color this flys body?

"Grannom" is the common name in Great Britain for the caddisfly _Brachycentrus subnubilus_.  The term has also been applied to _Brachycentrus_ species in North America.  The flies are dark, and dark brown for the body color is as good a guess as any.  But when selecting flies, you will do better to observe the insects on the stream you’re fishing, rather than depending on the hatch chart.  Knowing the name that people gave to the fly is not the same as knowing the fly. Woods Hole, MA   USA

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Olive green body.  Slate/tan wings. That’s the coloration for Brachycentrus numerosus in east. Also known as the Shad fly. Size 16. Tight lines! Steve Glad

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I dont mean to burst your bubble but you mention three items together that are antonyms of alaska.  Anywhere theres fish theres people.  It’s expencive.  And for most of Alaska dry flyfish is not the perfered method (usualy egg patterns of attractors) although I almost soley dryflied there all summer. But I caught more Grayling than trout and less than my buddies with egg pat. Ive guided there for the past two summers and have seen people try to take the economy route and be unhappy.         Two suggestions Rust’s flying service about $125 a day for guided         day fishing.  Rust is quite dependable.  my next and stronger suggustion         is goto or call McFee’s flyshop in Anchorage and ask for Dennis (owner)         tell him Kyle from Wilderness Place lodge sent you and he’ll give you the scoop.  Good Luck any questions feel free to contact me directly.         University of Illinois

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I dont mean to burst your bubble but you mention three items together  that are antonyms of alaska.  Anywhere theres fish theres people.  It’s expencive.  And for most of Alaska dry flyfish is not the perfered method (usualy egg  patterns of attractors) although I almost soley dryflied there all summer.  But I caught more Grayling than trout and less than my buddies with egg pat.  Ive guided there for the past two summers and have seen people try to take  the economy route and be unhappy.    Two suggestions Rust’s flying service about $125 a day for guided    day fishing.  Rust is quite dependable.  my next and stronger suggustion    is goto or call McFee’s flyshop in Anchorage and ask for Dennis (owner)    tell him Kyle from Wilderness Place lodge sent you and he’ll give you the scoop.  Good Luck any questions feel free to contact me directly.    University of Illinois

I agree that egg patterns are the best bet, but dry fly fishing in Alaska can be very rewarding.  The reason people don’t catch more fish on drys is because they just don’t try them enough.   They simply assume they will be ineffective.  Alaska is not devoid of insect life, it just takes some exploring and investigating to figure out what the fish are taking.  If you go to Alaska to catch salmon, sure, dry flies are going to be ineffective.  But, if you fish for rainbows and grayling, and you really should, then drys can be a blast!  By the way, that should be McAfee’s Fly Shop, not McFee’s.  Have fun, and catch and release!  Good fishing. -Steve  

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You might want to consider flying into King Salmon on Alaska Airlines and hook up with an outfitter there(sorry no names :I stayed at a flyout camp). An outfitter can set you up to float the American River, which is an oustanding remote dryfly river. It will take about 4-5 days to float the river to the mouth on Bristol Bay. Great big country and has a major bear problem( last year had major league charge from a big male who was protecting his fresh moose calf kill) .Don’t go alone! The flys I used were: Royal Wulff 12,14                                Yellow Humpy 12,14,16                                Gray Caddis-various                                 Royal Stimulator 12,14 The rainbows liked the Royal ties and the Grayling liked the the more subdued colors Adams etc.You should catch at least 100+ per day! (you must release all fish in the Bristol Bay watershed) FRANK

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I am planning to try fishing in Alaska this coming june and am interested in dry fly fishing in  fairly quiet places. I would like to do this fairly inexpensively. I have about 10 days to spend. Any help would be appreciated. Keep a tight line.

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I am planning to try fishing in Alaska this coming june and am interested in dry fly fishing in  fairly quiet places. I would like to do this fairly inexpensively. I have about 10 days to spend. Any help would be appreciated. Keep a tight line.

There are ways to fish Alaska fairly inexpensively after you get here. The biggest expense is the cost of an airline ticket.  Once here, the USFS has cabins they rent for $25/night on some excellent fishing systems.   What species are you specifically interested in?  Southeast Alaska has cutthroat trout, steelhead, rainbow fishing in June.  The Bristol Bay area is known for its outstanding rainbow fishing. Let me know some specifics on what your interested in and we have informational leaflets that I can send to help you out. Doug Jones

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