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  Hi everyone, just thought I’d introduce myself.  I’ve been lurking for a while and this group seems to be a pretty good bunch of guys (and gals).  I’ve learned quite a bit.  I’m a newbie fly fisherman (only been out once in horrible windy conditions).  I’ll be fishing the Upper Deerfield this weekend.  Does anyone familiar with the river have any suggestions regarding fly selection this time of year, useful tips, etc. that might enable a poor newbie to catch a few trout?  I’m aware of the dam, water levels, etc.  I was thinking of getting a guide for a day, but it’s kind of expensive.  TYIA for the help, and I hope to contribute to the group in the future.  Tom Zebrowski

Greetings, Tom. I’ve not fished the area, but there’s a pretty decent map and hatch information at this website: http://tinyurl.com/20mq According to this information, it looks like you should be fishing midge imitations #20 or smaller. I’ve had a bit of success lately in Southern Mass. with small, white spinner patterns and Griffiths Gnat for dry flies, and #16 and smaller nymphs. — TL, Tim

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  Hi George, thanks for the welcome.  I’ll be fishing the two catch and release areas below the Fife Brook Dam.  I should have been more specific.  Are you familiar with that area?  Regards, Tom

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Welcome to the group, Tom. If , by Upper Deerfield, you mean the Vermont section below Searsburg Dam, I have never fished it, so I can’t be of much help. I only know a few people who have fished that area, and they regarded it as overrated. Good luck, anyway, and please submit a TR. George Adams "All good fishermen stay young until they die, for fishing is the only dream of youth that doth not grow stale with age."                                                           —- J.W Muller

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  Hi everyone, just thought I’d introduce myself.  I’ve been lurking for a while and this group seems to be a pretty good bunch of guys (and gals).  I’ve learned quite a bit.  I’m a newbie fly fisherman (only been out once in horrible windy conditions).  I’ll be fishing the Upper Deerfield this weekend.  Does anyone familiar with the river have any suggestions regarding fly selection this time of year, useful tips, etc. that might enable a poor newbie to catch a few trout?  I’m aware of the dam, water levels, etc.  I was thinking of getting a guide for a day, but it’s kind of expensive.  TYIA for the help, and I hope to contribute to the group in the future.  Tom Zebrowski

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yep look at the forests in Alabama and you will see the great management of OUR forests that has robbed us and paid the timber industry. Pine trees

The majority of americans support being thinner, and yet the majority of americans are fatter than they should be.  That says something about the majority of americans.

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Musty Ass has spoken.

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\More like a ten year old, with no friends, and a ghetto blaster.\  I have had the pleasure of fishing with Muskie on several occasions, twice on the San Juan and once on the Kootenai.

I could not care less about his girlfriend or his fly-rods. The only thing I care about, is the fact that he costs me money with his constant Usenet abuse. The problem is solved for me at least. I have unsubscribed from rec.outdoors.fishing.fly  as it is simply too expensive to download all the rubbish. I will occasionally have a look in, using Google ( where I don

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I seem to miss alot of posts these days, and am wondering how well my own posts go out. If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon.

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I think I can see it… no wait, that’s not it. Nevermind. — SaltyWaders "Old eyes can’t see shit…"

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I seem to miss alot of posts these days, and am wondering how well my own posts go out. If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon.

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What post? Wolfgang

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I seem to miss alot of posts these days, and am wondering how well my own posts go out. If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon.

I see it directly.  I just changed my ISP because of dropped messages and other newsgroups problems.

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I saw it.                   Tom L

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[This followup was posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly and a copy was sent to the cited author.] Saw it here. I seem to miss alot of posts these days, and am wondering how well my own posts go out. If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon.

– Charles Davis    K4SWB <I’m The NRA

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If you see this post directly, could you please email me? Also, up until about 4 replies, could you also reply on ROFF and include the full text? If you don’t receive my post directly but see it on ROFF included in someone else’s reply, could you please email me that you didn’t receive it? Thanks in advance, Jon

I saw it.  Didn

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Could anyone name me some fine Grayling/trout rivers in the area of Sheffield England? Tanks LV

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Could anyone name me some fine Grayling/trout rivers in the area of Sheffield England?

Very few, very much in demand, and apt to be expensive I’m afraid. The three main rivers are in Derbyshire, roughly 20 miles south-west of Sheffield. Best of these is the Wye, and tickets available for a short stretch of the Chatsworth Estate water – Tel Keeper 01246-582513 or Estate Office 01246-582242. I believe this is dry-fly only. A further six miles available centred round the town of Bakewell – Tel 01629-733518 or (keeper) 01629-636255. The other rivers are the Derwent and Dove (Isaac Waltons home river), but I haven’t any info on tickets to hand. I’ll try and dig some out if you’re interested. If you want more than these, then I can’t think of much any nearer than the welsh Dee, which is about 60 miles away, or the rivers of North Yorkshire or Lancashire, which are very good, but a lot further away. I guess that explains why good fishing around Sheffield is not cheap. Cheers Ian D

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Dave was unable to attend the ceremonies as I was stuck at work trying to make PeopleSoft run…what a bummer…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – By the grace of God its BEEN DONE!!!! In a historic moment in Maines history, the infamous Edwards Dam on the mighty Kennebec River was breached at 9:36 A.M. this morning. 17 miles of freeflowing river has been returned to the fish and the people! [snipped] From one CUrmudgeon to another: OUT-FREAKIN’-STANDING!!!!!! Wish I could’ve been there to watch the festivities, Ed. Did you and Dave take the "Green Submarine" out to officiate? /daytripper ps: Does this mean I can remove that old bumper sticker? ;^)

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Dave was unable to attend the ceremonies as I was stuck at work trying to make PeopleSoft run…what a bummer…

Ah – another illustrious CU member and Ordealist Extraordinaire heard from. Take heart old friend, you’ll be cruising those seventeen miles for years to come! /daytripper (fishing the Kennebec in his dreams…)

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I am sure the information, in detail, is beginning to circulate everywhere.   There are a couple of TU News Release Articles at Rx F Fish in our News Release section at:  http://www.rxffish.com/PR The same information is also available from TU.   Either place, it’s great reading of an historic and very meaningful event that will surely have many long-range benefits for decades to come. Regards,   Trent Roberson ***** – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ladies and Gentlemen!!! By the grace of God its BEEN DONE!!!! In a historic moment in Maines history, the infamous Edwards Dam on the mighty Kennebec River was breached at 9:36 A.M. this morning. 17 miles of freeflowing river has been returned to the fish and the people! I never thought we’d see it in my lifetime, but I saw it with MY OWN EYES!!!! God bless America, Land of the Free! Here’s some pointers to the latest: www.ctel.net/~mudfish  My home page for a report on the breaching and www.ctel.net/mudfish/condi/  my river conditions page with some thoughs as I left the river late last evening.. (this is NOT a commercial spam). Please no flames :8). www.centralmaine.com/edwards/  Carl Natale’s feature story for Blethen Newspapers featuring some hot pictures of the KENNEBEC RIVER EVENT OF THE YEAR! Tight lines Ed Blum Registered Maine Guide

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By the grace of God its BEEN DONE!!!! In a historic moment in Maines history, the infamous Edwards Dam on the mighty Kennebec River was breached at 9:36 A.M. this morning. 17 miles of freeflowing river has been returned to the fish and the people!

[snipped] From one CUrmudgeon to another: OUT-FREAKIN’-STANDING!!!!!! Wish I could’ve been there to watch the festivities, Ed. Did you and Dave take the "Green Submarine" out to officiate? /daytripper ps: Does this mean I can remove that old bumper sticker? ;^)

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Ladies and Gentlemen!!! By the grace of God its BEEN DONE!!!! In a historic moment in Maines history, the infamous Edwards Dam on the mighty Kennebec River was breached at 9:36 A.M. this morning. 17 miles of freeflowing river has been returned to the fish and the people! I never thought we’d see it in my lifetime, but I saw it with MY OWN EYES!!!! God bless America, Land of the Free! Here’s some pointers to the latest: www.ctel.net/~mudfish  My home page for a report on the breaching and www.ctel.net/mudfish/condi/  my river conditions page with some thoughs as I left the river late last evening.. (this is NOT a commercial spam).  Please no flames :8). www.centralmaine.com/edwards/  Carl Natale’s feature story for Blethen Newspapers featuring some hot pictures of the KENNEBEC RIVER EVENT OF THE YEAR! Tight lines Ed Blum Registered Maine Guide

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Hello Ihave the starter Orvis kit that I bought about 9 years ago for sale. It is a 4pc. 6wt. grafite rod with a orvis reel with floating line and a extra spool with sink tip line on it. also a aluminum tub for the rod . reply if interested 125.00 Bye Randy W. Oh ya forgot it’s the green mountain series

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That’s EZ ! www.ezflyfish.com ! — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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Oh Lord – now he’s on commission. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That’s EZ ! www.ezflyfish.com ! — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "A Cash Flow Runs Through It…" "Guilt replaced the creel…"

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I’m new to fly fishing, but got hooked (no pun intended) last summer. I couldn’t get any bites on bait so pulled out my mismatched fly rod (I bought it years ago at a Kmart closeout sale.) and instantly started getting bites. Apparently the little red misquito and Dave’s Hopper were the right choices. I caught a 4lb Rainbow and hooked several more but couldn’t land them. This was on the San Juan River near Pagosa Springs, Colorado.  Anyway, the point is I want to invest a little (maybe $75?) in a decent fly rod. I almost always stream fish for trout and usually not but about 8-11 inches.  What should I get and where do I get it?  I’d like a matched kit because I don’t know much about fly-fishing. Thanks for the help.

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I bought my wife an outfit from Cabellas…..for my money they have the best combo kits on the market in all price ranges..john

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Anyway, the point is I want to invest a little (maybe $75?) in a decent fly rod. I almost always stream fish for trout and usually not but about 8-11 inches.  What should I get and where do I get it?  I’d like a matched kit because I don’t know much about fly-fishing.

The advice to get Cabela’s catalog to buy an inexpensive outfit is good. They have a wider selection than anybody in the lower price points. From what you say, look for an outfit that is 4 or 5 wt., and 8′6"  to 9′ long.  For a "balanced outfit", you’ll need a reel and fly line to match. If you’re used to K-Mart prices on spinning tackle, you’re in for a bit of sticker-shock.  Is the $75 for a rod only, or a rod/reel/line combination? If the latter you’re really pushing the bottom limits of the market, and are likely to replace it fairly soon if you get serious about the sport.  You may wish to hold on to your existing K-Mart special, and save up about $200 for an outfit that will give you a real performance improvement over what you’ve got now. Michael

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m new to fly fishing, but got hooked (no pun intended) last summer. I couldn’t get any bites on bait so pulled out my mismatched fly rod (I bought it years ago at a Kmart closeout sale.) and instantly started getting bites. Apparently the little red misquito and Dave’s Hopper were the right choices. I caught a 4lb Rainbow and hooked several more but couldn’t land them. This was on the San Juan River near Pagosa Springs, Colorado.  Anyway, the point is I want to invest a little (maybe $75?) in a decent fly rod. I almost always stream fish for trout and usually not but about 8-11 inches.  What should I get and where do I get it?  I’d like a matched kit because I don’t know much about fly-fishing. Thanks for the help.

  No doubt you’ve already read the advice on Cabelas, They are right. Give a good look at the 3 forks 3wt. 7.5′ 3piece rod combo. It casts easily to 30′ and beyond if you power it. It’ll be really fun on the size you specified yet has enough backbone for those 4+ pounders if finessed (I’ve done it) but it is more closely related to work than relaxation at that size.Comes complete but I would add a loop (orvis makes the best), the reel is on the large size for the rod but light and usable. It comes kit form so you can learn to attach the leader to line and reel(if you goof just cut it and try again), the line is not of the greatest quality but it’ll get you on the water AND the price is right.                                                       John Popp                                                    in Sanford Fl.

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<< I’m new to fly fishing, but got hooked (no pun intended) last summer. I couldn’t get any bites on bait so pulled out my mismatched fly rod (I bought it years ago at a Kmart closeout sale.) and instantly started getting bites. Apparently the little red misquito and Dave’s Hopper were the right choices. I caught a 4lb Rainbow and hooked several more but couldn’t land them. This was on the San Juan River near Pagosa Springs, Colorado.  Anyway, the point is I want to invest a little (maybe $75?) in a decent fly rod. I almost always stream fish for trout and usually not but about 8-11 inches.  What should I get and where do I get it?  I’d like a matched kit because I don’t know much about fly-fishing.

My advice would be to invest a little more money, dump the ideas about buying a kit,  and get a nice Pro Graphite St Croix rod and put a few extra bucks into the line. This is the setup I started flyfishing with 6 years ago now. I wanted to buy a cheap kit, and see if "I liked it", but a wise person told me to put in a little more money. You’ve already tried flyfishing with the cheap stuff. You will very probably develop into a fanatic. I own many flyrods now, but that old St. Croix 5 wt is still a rod I love and use frequently. Tor Larsen

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m new to fly fishing, but got hooked (no pun intended) last summer. I couldn’t get any bites on bait so pulled out my mismatched fly rod (I bought it years ago at a Kmart closeout sale.) and instantly started getting bites. Apparently the little red misquito and Dave’s Hopper were the right choices. I caught a 4lb Rainbow and hooked several more but couldn’t land them. This was on the San Juan River near Pagosa Springs, Colorado.  Anyway, the point is I want to invest a little (maybe $75?) in a decent fly rod. I almost always stream fish for trout and usually not but about 8-11 inches.  What should I get and where do I get it?  I’d like a matched kit because I don’t know much about fly-fishing. Thanks for the help.

Hi All, Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop www.kiene.com

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Howdy folks!!! What:           Free Presentation on Flyfishing the Arkansas River during the Mother’s Day Caddis Hatch Who:            Matt and Chris Brown of Browner’s Guide Service in Salida, Colorado. Where:          The Trout Unlimited/Wild Trout Chapter’s April                 meeting at the Best Western Landmark Inn,                         455 S. Colorado Blvd. (Colorado Blvd.                         & North Cherry Creek Drive) When:           Wednesday, April 22nd at 6:30 pm Come here Matt and Chris tell us how, when and where to catch the big ones. Then hang around to swap stories and tips with other local anglers. at 832-4600.

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Greetings TU members from Wisconsin.  Just saying hi!  Our fishing opener starts tomorrow. Larry Seiler http://cwinc.net/larryseiler 1998 Wis Inland Trout Stamp Design Competition winner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy folks!!! What:      Free Presentation on Flyfishing the Arkansas River during the Mother’s Day Caddis Hatch Who:       Matt and Chris Brown of Browner’s Guide Service in Salida, Colorado. Where:     The Trout Unlimited/Wild Trout Chapter’s April                    meeting at the Best Western Landmark Inn,                    455 S. Colorado Blvd. (Colorado Blvd.                    & North Cherry Creek Drive) When:              Wednesday, April 22nd at 6:30 pm Come here Matt and Chris tell us how, when and where to catch the big ones. Then hang around to swap stories and tips with other local anglers. Lopez at 832-4600.

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Is there a fly fishing mail list?? — Bob Bowdey La Mer Majik http://www.wizard.net/~majik Will Rogers never met a lawyer!

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Is there a fly fishing mail list?? — Bob Bowdey La Mer Majik http://www.wizard.net/~majik Will Rogers never met a lawyer!

– Brad "Country" Hancock LT                 USN Don’t squat with your spurs on!

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That’s because you’re a gimp!

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I’M TELLING YOU THIS IS THE TRUTH. THERE IS PRACTICALLY NO PRESSURE ON THIS STREAM, AT LEAST WHEN I WAS FISHING IT BACK IN ‘92 -’95, AND IF YOU EXERCISED THE LEAST BIT OF RESTRAINT AND WERE AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT STEALTHY (SP?) YOU COULD BUST THESE BAD BOYS WITH REGULARITY ON ROYAL WULFFS AND YELLOW HUMPYS. THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE ANYMORE WITH ALL THE GODDAMN CALIFORNIANS AND NORMAN MACLAIN WANNABES TROMPING THROUGH THE WATER LIKE SOLDIERS ON THE BEACHES OF NORMANDY. THE WEST END OF THE CREEK JUST BEFORE IT’S CONFLUENCE WITH THE EAGLE RIVER IS EXCEPTONAL. AND IN THE WINTER IT’S EVEN BETTER. PRESSURE MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : I can confirm that you can catch 20+ inchers in the town of vail.  I’ve : only been up there one day and I hooked into a couple 15"-ers but as I : was kayaking another day I saw some other people catching larger ones and : the guide at the fly store was telling tales of 25" fish he had cought : that week. Wow.  A 25" rainbow in a mountain stream (without a lake at the bottom) is a rare thing these days.  I’m sure the rarity is increased in the middle of town.  Good catch indeed. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

That’s great, now I can walk across the street for a Big Max—-T Wigs—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This "Trout in Town" thing is not only real, it is the norm around here in Colorado. In fact Mr. Fletcher, I’ll show you a spot in Colorado where you can catch a 24 incher behind a major busy grocery store. TimW         well, boys, i’d be proud to show you where you can catch a 12 inch rainbow so far from any real town that you forget the color of traffic lights.  but there would be damn few 24 inchers.  and the folks you’d be fishin with talk funny.                 a. wayne harrison

lets go. TimW

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: I can confirm that you can catch 20+ inchers in the town of vail.  I’ve : only been up there one day and I hooked into a couple 15"-ers but as I : was kayaking another day I saw some other people catching larger ones and : the guide at the fly store was telling tales of 25" fish he had cought : that week. Wow.  A 25" rainbow in a mountain stream (without a lake at the bottom) is a rare thing these days.  I’m sure the rarity is increased in the middle of town.  Good catch indeed. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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This "Trout in Town" thing is not only real, it is the norm around here in Colorado.   In fact Mr. Fletcher, I’ll show you a spot in Colorado where you can catch a 24 incher behind a major busy grocery store. TimW

        well, boys, i’d be proud to show you where you can catch a 12 inch rainbow so far from any real town that you forget the color of traffic lights.  but there would be damn few 24 inchers.  and the folks you’d be fishin with talk funny.                 a. wayne harrison

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Gore Creek has some pretty big fish and they ain’t all that tame. I haven’t caught a 20" trout there but I’ve no trouble believing that there are fish that big and larger. Catching them is a bit tricky, however.  Jeff

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I can confirm that you can catch 20+ inchers in the town of vail.  I’ve only been up there one day and I hooked into a couple 15"-ers but as I was kayaking another day I saw some other people catching larger ones and the guide at the fly store was telling tales of 25" fish he had cought that week. Leave a few for me and remember a lot of the area is restricted fishing. TJ

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I particularly like bashing stockers for the smoker in front of the tourists at the rest areas along I-70. And I can never understand why some of the folks on here think you taunt them…

They’re too sensitive. TimW

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: I can confirm that you can catch 20+ inchers in the town of vail.  I’ve : only been up there one day and I hooked into a couple 15"-ers but as I : was kayaking another day I saw some other people catching larger ones and : the guide at the fly store was telling tales of 25" fish he had cought : that week. Wow.  A 25" rainbow in a mountain stream (without a lake at the bottom) is a rare thing these days.  I’m sure the rarity is increased in the middle of town.  Good catch indeed.

The chances are very, very good that this was a brooder released (sent to pasture) by the CDOW.   Gore creek can not support this sized fish naturally. TimW

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: You should see the holding pools and trout observation structure (it is : cool, like a sea world underground view into a large hole below a rapid) : in Boulder, Co.  Many, may big fish.  Lots are the DOW brooders sent to : pasture. And that is really the thought behind my post.  I know Boulder pretty well, and I don’t recall "many, many big fish".  No wonder, when one considers the number of kids splashing around in the water and homeless people looking for chow.  I do know there are quite a number of fish in Boulder Creek downtown, I just didn’t believe they were large.  Now I do.   I’ve always admired Missoula with the Clarks Fork running through town. Noon whistle bell rings and the folks head to the river with their rods. One o’clock comes and they go back to work. : Grizzly King.  Again, ‘parkish’.  I particularly like bashing stockers : for the smoker in front of the tourists at the rest areas along I-70. And I can never understand why some of the folks on here think you taunt them… : In fact Mr. Fletcher, I’ll show you a spot in Colorado where you can catch : a 24 incher behind a major busy grocery store. I do that all the time.  The trick is to hide behind a box and then jump out when they toss the overripe salmon in the garbage.  I often hear "good catch". What is that story by McGuane where he walks through town and catches fish? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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: Hey everyone, : I have a question. If you only had one evening to fish within a : half-hour of Vail, where would you choose to fish? I am going up : there tomorrow and would like your insight. : Thanks : JS  Homestake Creek, south of Minturn. It’s beyond Battle Mt. and Redcliff.  Turn right at the cabin with the Hummingbird feeder to cross a small  bridge on the creek. Anywhere on the ~8 miles to Homestake Res. has  nice little Brookies. Clean water, no tailing drainage, unlike the  Eagle near Minturn. Even if you don’t catch anything, it’s an interesting  drive past Battle Mt.  Tallyho !  Alpha Kilo

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:  Homestake Creek, south of Minturn. It’s beyond Battle Mt. and Redcliff. :  Turn right at the cabin with the Hummingbird feeder to cross a small :  bridge on the creek. Anywhere on the ~8 miles to Homestake Res. has :  nice little Brookies. Clean water, no tailing drainage, unlike the :  Eagle near Minturn. Even if you don’t catch anything, it’s an interesting :  drive past Battle Mt. I’ve heard that it is absolutely useless to use surface flies on the fish near Minturn.  Nothing works but nymphs.  I guess they have so much lead in them that they can’t get to the surface to go for a dry fly.  They just sink to the bottom.  Dynamite doesn’t even bring them up.  True? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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:  Homestake Creek, south of Minturn. It’s beyond Battle Mt. and Redcliff. :  Turn right at the cabin with the Hummingbird feeder to cross a small :  bridge on the creek. Anywhere on the ~8 miles to Homestake Res. has :  nice little Brookies. Clean water, no tailing drainage, unlike the :  Eagle near Minturn. Even if you don’t catch anything, it’s an interesting :  drive past Battle Mt. I’ve heard that it is absolutely useless to use surface flies on the fish near Minturn.  Nothing works but nymphs.  I guess they have so much lead in them that they can’t get to the surface to go for a dry fly.  They just sink to the bottom.  Dynamite doesn’t even bring them up.  True?

but it’s really worth it, ’cause you can catch a 4 inch fish and honestly tell the boys in the shop that you nailed a 6 pounder…. TimW

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You have a gold medal stream running right through the heart of Vail, Gore Creek. Twenty inch rainbows on attractors. The best in town fishing in Colorado.

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Rick, : You have a gold medal stream running right through the heart of Vail, : Gore Creek. Twenty inch rainbows on attractors. The best in town : fishing in Colorado. I find this to be a remarkable statement, that 20 inch bows can be caught in town.  If it is true, that is the ultimate "tame" fish.

        I can readily believe that you could read something like this in         a brochure published by the Vail Chamber of Commerce, but don’t         bet your firstborn on it.  Nor should you put much stock in the         "Two Trout Over 16 Inches" signs; if you read the shocking reports         you will quickly realize that they’re really just a statistically         and politically correct way to say "Catch and Release".         However, in a stream not far away …                                                   Tom

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: You have a gold medal stream running right through the heart of Vail, : Gore Creek. Twenty inch rainbows on attractors. The best in town : fishing in Colorado. I find this to be a remarkable statement, that 20 inch bows can be caught in town.  If it is true, that is the ultimate "tame" fish. Can anyone confirm whether J&J’s assertion is true?

This is not only true, but it is the trend in urban stream reclamation. The Roaring Fork through Aspen is the same way.  "Parkish", I would call it. You should see the holding pools and trout observation structure (it is cool, like a sea world underground view into a large hole below a rapid) in Boulder, Co.  Many, may big fish.  Lots are the DOW brooders sent to pasture. The planners in Glenwood have planned and started construction on a bike path along the Fork through town.  They rollerblade in bikinis along the colorado through the Glenwood Canyon, and you need to be careful where you hurl the Grizzly King.  Again, ‘parkish’.  I particularly like bashing stockers for the smoker in front of the tourists at the rest areas along I-70. The best section of the Blue (trust me) *IS* in the Heart of Silverthorne, problem here is property access.  Same in Breckenridge, Ouray etc. etc. This "Trout in Town" thing is not only real, it is the norm around here in Colorado.   In fact Mr. Fletcher, I’ll show you a spot in Colorado where you can catch a 24 incher behind a major busy grocery store. TimW

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: You have a gold medal stream running right through the heart of Vail, : Gore Creek. Twenty inch rainbows on attractors. The best in town : fishing in Colorado. I find this to be a remarkable statement, that 20 inch bows can be caught in town.  If it is true, that is the ultimate "tame" fish. Can anyone confirm whether J&J’s assertion is true? — Rick T. Rick Fletcher   –   http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry  |  That’s Idaho, not Iowa.    | ad hominem University of Idaho               |  Upper Left Hand Corner.    | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343             |  No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem

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writes: Hey everyone, I have a question. If you only had one evening to fish within a half-hour of Vail, where would you choose to fish? I am going up there tomorrow and would like your insight. Thanks JS

Js, I think that would be Beaver Creek in Beaver Creek (just outside of Vail) I hear that’s some good small stream fishing but, haven’t tried it yet. Probably some mosquito’s, elk hair caddis, small humpy’s, ect… would work just fine. Best of luck….Cliff

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Hey everyone, I have a question. If you only had one evening to fish within a half-hour of Vail, where would you choose to fish? I am going up there tomorrow and would like your insight. Thanks JS

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Hey everyone, I have a question. If you only had one evening to fish within a half-hour of Vail, where would you choose to fish? I am going up there tomorrow and would like your insight. Thanks JS

Why not fish Gore Creek, which possesses Gold-Medal waters right through the city of Vail?  Eagle and Colorado Rivers are close-by and are always nice rivers… — MORGAN P. BROWN                 Colorado School of Mines                 Rice University                 Phone:   (303) 215-9190 URL:     http://timna.mines.edu/~mbrown                http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mpbro

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: Does anyone know who makes Cabella Fish Eagle fly rods I was watching a video by Stu Apte on Saltwater Fly fishing and he mentioned in passing that Cabella’s rods were built by G Loomis. Any Confirmations? Rodney Singapore

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 This reel was almost certainly made by the Sth company in Argentina.  It was identical in design and even carried the same symbols but a different label. Cannot speak for the new reels included in packages except to say that the new cassette fly reel looks surprisingly like the Sth cassette reels (just a guess).  

Yes, this would make sense because STH makes Loomis reels and the head STH engineer Roberto Sacconi is a friend of Gary Loomis. Loomis claims to be a real believer in the STH system. Cal — Fishin Buddy  o <<     o  |           These opinions are offered by weight  <     <  o       <J           provocative content may have occurred      <<       <<                    during shipping and handling.

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J.Vogel) says: Does anyone know who makes Cabella Fish Eagle fly rods I think the conclusions reached on the net include the following: Cabela uses rod blanks from G. Loomis to manufacture its fly rods.  We never decided who actually makes the rods but seemed to agree that they are of good quality and reasonable for the $$. My own experience supports this claim.  The outfit that I have included the Fish Eagle II rod and an MCD reel.  This reel was almost certainly made by the Sth company in Argentina.  It was identical in design and even carried the same symbols but a different label. Cannot speak for the new reels included in packages except to say that the new cassette fly reel looks surprisingly like the Sth cassette reels (just a guess).  I believe you also asked a question about who makes the Cabelas reel (in another post)…this reply may answer that.  If you are asking about spinning reels, we have discussed this and never reached an answer. Hope this helps.  Scott Maitland

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