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Does Dwight Lyons have a web site? Big Dale

Brain fart on my part, sorry I did not post it originally. http://www.teleport.com/~lyons/ — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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Now that I’ve gotten a couple of years fishing under my belt, I’ve determined that I like fishing a slower action rod.   Short of purchasing a bamboo rod, I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight.

Hey maybe you can find a fiberglass rod you like, then you can really save some bucks.  I think Winston makes some, but that’s not exactly what I had in mind by saving a few bucks Regards, Jeff

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Short of purchasing a bamboo rod, I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight.

Don’t try a Scott G-series rod unless you are willing to spend a few bucks. Big Dale

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ROFFians: Now that I’ve gotten a couple of years fishing under my belt, I’ve determined that I like fishing a slower action rod. Short of purchasing a bamboo rod, I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight. Thanks much!

If money is no object and you want graphite there are only three choices inspite of all the suggestions you have recieved… They would be the: Winston Tom Morgan Favorite 8′ Four weight or any other Winston IM6 Series Trout rod. (note the 5 pc models are not moderate) Thomas and Thomas Paradigm Series Scott Powerply Series Money an object look at the Orvis Silver Label Mid Flex or if you want to try Glass Winston, Hardy, and Scott make nice ones but I recommend some glass rods sold by a Cane Rod maker in Oregon named Dwight Lyons. — Wayne Knight Expert in creating tailing loops and windknots Otherwise Fishless in Kansas Before you buy.

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I agree with Ken and Peter on the Orvis Superfine/Silver Label full flex models.  I have a Silver Label 792 (2wt, 7′9") and absolutely love it.  Like you, I prefer more moderate actions.  Some of the full flex versions of the Silver Labels are the exact same blank as the more expensive Superfines. Winston, T&T, Scott, Powell etc. are all outstanding though they will severely lighten the wallet. Another one worth checking into is the Sage DS2 series…..maybe a bit faster than the Orvis full flex models but still quite moderate. Tight Lines! Natty

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Janik) … I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight. Orvis Superfine (save some bucks and get the Silver Label version).     – Ken I second this – Orvis Far n’ Fine 7′ 9" in the silver label version – not expensive, unconditional warranty and one of the best all-round trout rods ever made for small to mid sized streams.  Throws a DT-4 quite well too.  We’ve had five of this series in the family and only one was less than satisfactory (3 wt. Tippet.)  If you’re interested in a 4 wt., then try the 7/11. If you’re planning on spending a bit more and fishing small streams then the Hardy Perfection E Glass 4 wt. 7′ 6" should be on your list. Walt at ezflyfish.com can give you the details.  I have the 6′ 6" 3 wt. version – fabulous little rod for tight, little streams.  I hear that its bigger brother is just as nice. Scott, Winston, and East Branch all have very good rods with medium – slow action as well. Peter

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How slow is slow?  I have a Sage DS that I love.  It is listed as a "medium" action, I think, by Sage.  It is slower that any other Sage other than the discontinued LL series.  The price for a 4 piece is about $250.00.  A great rod to try. Chris Brown

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some glass rods sold by a Cane Rod maker in Oregon named Dwight Lyons.

Does Dwight Lyons have a web site? Big Dale

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Hi All, This is a common thing in trout fly fishing. Normally, the more you fish, the better you cast. Now you can cast slower rods, so you move more in that direction. Most will cast the lightest, softest rod that will allow them to get the fly to the fish. This will allow you to land larger fish on lighter tippets.  This is not true for everyone, but it is a standard event around our shop in Sacramento, California, USA. Some softer rods: Loomis GL2, Sage SPL, Sage SP, Winston IM6, Scott G series……. Many companies will have a faster series and a slower series like ‘Thomas & Thomas’. — Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento, CA, USA www.kiene.com

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ROFFians: Now that I’ve gotten a couple of years fishing under my belt, I’ve determined that I like fishing a slower action rod.   Short of purchasing a bamboo rod, I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight. Thanks much!

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… I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight.

Winston. — Ken Fortenberry

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I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight.

Scott G Series are moderate action and their Fibertouch are slow. — Charlie…

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… I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight.

Orvis Superfine (save some bucks and get the Silver Label version).      - Ken — "If any of you cry at my funeral, I’ll never speak to you again!"                                      - Stan Laurel

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… I would appreciate hearing any suggestions on manufacturers who make rods that that have a slower action.  It would most likely be a 4 or 5 weight. Orvis Superfine (save some bucks and get the Silver Label version).     – Ken

I second this – Orvis Far n’ Fine 7′ 9" in the silver label version – not expensive, unconditional warranty and one of the best all-round trout rods ever made for small to mid sized streams.  Throws a DT-4 quite well too.  We’ve had five of this series in the family and only one was less than satisfactory (3 wt. Tippet.)  If you’re interested in a 4 wt., then try the 7/11. If you’re planning on spending a bit more and fishing small streams then the Hardy Perfection E Glass 4 wt. 7′ 6" should be on your list. Walt at ezflyfish.com can give you the details.  I have the 6′ 6" 3 wt. version – fabulous little rod for tight, little streams.  I hear that its bigger brother is just as nice. Scott, Winston, and East Branch all have very good rods with medium – slow action as well. Peter

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break? Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address) Intertwined loops "will" have a tendancy to cut each other.

Learn to use a palomar knot.  They are easier and faster to tie than the clinch and improved clinch knots, and stronger too.  The only setback is that the line must go through the eye of the hook twice, which can be rather tricky on some smaller flies.  I’ve often wondered why more people don’t use this knot. TimeRanger is absolutely correct: intertwined loops WILL cut each other under stress.  When pulled they will effectively form a kink in each loop which will be MUCH weaker than the surrounding line.  They’ll hold up just fine until you’ve got a fish or a snag and then you’ll lose both fly and tippet material. Tom Before you buy.

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Learn to use a palomar knot.  They are easier and faster to tie than the clinch and improved clinch knots, and stronger too.  The only setback is that the line must go through the eye of the hook twice, which can be rather tricky on some smaller flies.  I’ve often wondered why more people don’t use this knot.

I don’t really think there’s anything special about the palomar knot, or the turle knot, other than the fact they specifically call for going through the eye twice.  You can tie other basic knots by going through the eye twice.  The clinch knot works fine for example.  Put the line through the eye, then over (or under, depending on up or down eye) the shank just behind the eye, then back through the eye.  Art Lee called it the Tweed Clinch I think.  I found it works just fine with the uniknot as well.  Makes a cool knot. Regards, Jeff

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I don’t really think there’s anything special about the palomar knot, or the turle knot, other than the fact they specifically call for going through the eye twice.  ……  What makes it quite special for me is that it is one  of the very few knots that I can tie reasonably quickly  without wearing my reading glasses.  greg.

What are the smallest hook-size flies that you use? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break? Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address)

LOL…I almost could get a headache thinking about it! I assume that if you’re new to the sport you probably don’t have a lot of flies (yet!).   I probably take several thousand with me on a trip, and am carrying up to several hundred at any one time (including the various sizes).   It’s not unusual for me to have thirty or forty drying on my vest by the end of a day.   Where are all those leaders going to go?  They sure won’t fit into the small fly boxes that I carry, and the leaders flapping around while the flies are drying on my vest might get a bit bothersome. Tippet size:  though tippet size is generally determined by fly size, at times you may want to go down (spooky fish in crystal water) or up (monsters breaking off, and not selective about tippet size).   Would you have extras tied to take care of any eventuallity? Line memory:  you probably already are having to run the tippet through your fingers on ocassion, to get out the loops.   If you have tight little coils of tippet attached to the flies for any length of time – say a few months – you’re likely to see that problem increased many-fold.   If you don’t coil the line, you’ll have to have some sort of 2′ long fly box for the leaders to stay straight. Casting problems: back when I started, we tied our own leaders, using different sized leader material, graduating down to smaller sizes, for good ‘turn over.’   All the knots in the leader made for some interesting tangles, at times, especially in windy conditions.  The invention of the one-piece tapered leader was quite a boon for many of us.  Now you want to start adding more loops and knots? But go ahead and try it and get back to the board with your results. Who knows, you might find a solution that will be the next big step in fly fishing.  After all, they laughed at Orville and Wilbur, too… Best of luck. Max Before you buy.

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I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break? Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address)

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I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break? Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address)

Your idea will work just fine.  Probably the best knot to use is Lefty Kreh’s nonslip loop – it is plenty strong for what you are suggesting. The joined loops have never spooked fish in my experience.  Just let me warn you that it won’t be quite as efficient as you might think.  Even loops cut and weaken after awhile, so you will need to retie your loop every now and then.  Retying the loop will eat up quite a bit of leader, and putting tippet on all those flies will sure put a dent in that $9 roll of fluorocarbon  (sp?). If you do give this procedure a try I would recommend (for most western dry fly/nymph applications) using about a 7 1/2 leader tapered to 2X, and then looping in about a 2-3 foot piece of either 3X or 4X. I still use this procedure sometimes myself, but in general I am content just to tie the water knot (4 turn surgeons knot).   The connection is strong, clean, and simple, and efforts to prolong leader life are pretty well doomed from the start.  If you go ahead and try your procedure for a while, I would really like to hear how it goes for you. John.

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I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break?

Ignoring for a moment the fact that the typical flyfisherman may carry hundreds of flies, people won’t do this because it requires foresight. How many times have you guys been furiously changing flies to cast to a rising fish, and you find out that the fly you want to use has a little knot of tippet in the eye? Either that, or the barb isn’t bent down. Or the hook isn’t sharp. Whatever, it’s precious seconds lost. A rational angler would make sure all his flies were ready to go before he hits the stream. I just snip off the old fly and toss it back in the box in whatever condition it’s in. Actually, Ken, since you’re new to the sport I expect it takes you quite awhile to tie surgeon’s knots and clinch knots (or whatever you use). With practice you’ll get much faster. That’s actually a big step, because as you get faster the idea of changing flies and tippets won’t be as loathesome, so you’ll experiment more and probably catch more fish. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/ something bogus to avoid spam)

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I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break? Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address)

Intertwined loops "will" have a tendancy to cut each other.  

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I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break? Ken

Ken, you have just re-invented the snelled hook!  This is the way they actually did it in the old days, back before somebody had the bright idea to put eyes on the hooks.  Of course, the snell was made of gut, which you had to soak with water the day before you went fishing to soften it up, along with your leaders. To see the weakness of this system, consider the fact that the average fly fisherman accumulates flies in his or her fly vest at a rate of approximately 400 per year (after a few years they will start to breed on their own.)  Just think about having to manage all those thousands of bits of string.  I would almost be afraid to open up one of my fly boxes. Kevin

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Because the number of flys carried would cause a massive snarl of tippet. If interested, there is however an answer to the delima. There is on the market a small clip that is so light it floats. tieing it with a loop permits flys to properly oriet themselves and saves tippet tying. You can purchase them at some fly shops or from the Cabelas catalog. John Popp

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am new to this sport and am puzzled by the practice of tieing 2 ft. of tippet to a leader then cutting the tippet ever shorter as you change flies. Why not just put 2 ft. of tippet "leader" on each fly, with a loop on the other end and engage it to a loop in the end of the leader?  Is the disturbance of two intertwined loops 2 ft. from the fly any greater than a surgeon’s knot?  Will the intertwined loops break? Ken (to reply via email remove "zz" from address)

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Has anyone used Rain-X as floatant? How does it work? Shinji

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I bet it would work great at first.  But if you’ll read the label, it has some really strong petroleum distillates.  I woud think it would damge fly line and leave a horrendous taste on flies. As for myself, a rueben sandwich with hot peppers and a budweiser pretty much makes me unsinkable. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone used Rain-X as floatant? How does it work? Shinji

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it has some really strong petroleum distillates.  I woud think it would

damge flyline and leave a horrendous taste on flies. It’s been more than 50 years since my last chemistry class, but aren’t "distillates" volatile?  Wouldn’t they evaporate? vince norris

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Rain-X ought to work.  It’s basically wax in some solvents (distillates) and when they evaporate, it leaves an easy to polish windshield. Not knowing what the distillates are, it is unclear what effect they might have on the fly head cement, artificial and natural colors, waxed thread, etc. "Some mornings I wonder if it was worth it to gnaw through the leather straps."  – E. Philips

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Rain-X ought to work.  It’s basically wax in some solvents (distillates) and when they evaporate, it leaves an easy to polish windshield.

        my god, george gherke, are you suffering from laryngitits, or under arrest in a foreign land, or asleep, or have you simply expired?         a. wayne harrison

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Rain-X ought to work.  It’s basically wax in some solvents (distillates) and when they evaporate, it leaves an easy to polish windshield.         my god, george gherke, are you suffering from laryngitits, or under arrest in a foreign land, or asleep, or have you simply expired?         a. wayne harrison

The problem with products containing distilates (in fact, just about anything with an organic solvent) is that the solvents will interact with the plasticizers in the fly line.  Most lines today are built with a plastic coating over a braided core.  If you get solvent onto the coating, a wide variety of things can happen, most of them bad.  Typical results can include (but are not limited to) cracking, softening, peeling, loss of the outer skin, etc.  Probably the worst one is the softening.  I have seen fly lines that were contaminated with gasoline or diesel.  These lines were as limp as overcooked spaghetti, and cast about as well.   Other things you need to be really careful about are- sunscreen, and insect repellant. Be very careful about what you put on your $50 fly line, it could ruin your day.  There are a variety of "resonably priced" line cleaners and dressings out there.  Personally I like Glide, with the caveat that I have to be able to let it dry for long enough before I buff it off(1-2 hrs)-If you do not let it dry, or do not remove excess, it is like glue.  Otherwise, I will use SA line cleaner and dressing in a pinch.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rain-X ought to work.  It’s basically wax in some solvents (distillates) and when they evaporate, it leaves an easy to polish windshield.         my god, george gherke, are you suffering from laryngitits, or under arrest in a foreign land, or asleep, or have you simply expired?         a. wayne harrison The problem with products containing distilates (in fact, just about anything with an organic solvent) is that the solvents will interact with the plasticizers in the fly line.  Most lines today are built with a plastic coating over a braided core.

The Advantage to using rain x is it works best when dry. You pre treat all flies the night before. The next day you are ready and will not get any thing on the flyline but the water you are fishing in. Jim

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        i knew you wouldn’t dissapoint me, george…         a. wayne harrison

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The last distallate I tasted was in a little ’shne from the hills.  Didn’t like the taste….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – it has some really strong petroleum distillates.  I woud think it would damge fly line and leave a horrendous taste on flies. It’s been more than 50 years since my last chemistry class, but aren’t "distillates" volatile?  Wouldn’t they evaporate? Home heating oil is a distillate. Try pouring some of that around your basement floor and see how fast it evaporates…

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it has some really strong petroleum distillates.  I woud think it would damge fly line and leave a horrendous taste on flies. It’s been more than 50 years since my last chemistry class, but aren’t "distillates" volatile?  Wouldn’t they evaporate?

Home heating oil is a distillate. Try pouring some of that around your basement floor and see how fast it evaporates…

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If anyone would like to check out an article I wrote on the visual demands of flyfishing, check out the website below. It was intended for an Optometry journal, so it’s a bit technical in spots, but give it a try anyway. Dana Rohleder http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Dana_Rohleder/article.htm

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If anyone would like to check out an article I wrote on the visual demands of flyfishing, check out the website below. It was intended for an Optometry journal, so it’s a bit technical in spots, but give it a try anyway. Dana Rohleder http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Dana_Rohleder/article.htmHi Dana

I really liked your piece, especially about "visualization" and nymph fishing. You are so right. I’ve printed a copy and hope you don’t mind if I quote it (with proper credit, etc.) in future ng posts or mag. articles. Those of you on the group really should take a look. Yes it is a bit technical but well written and very informative. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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If anyone would like to check out an article I wrote on the visual
demands of flyfishing, check out the website below. It was intended for
an Optometry journal, so it’s a bit technical in spots, but give it a
try anyway.
Dana Rohleder

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Dana_Rohleder/article.htm

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After reading all the posts about upland bird hunting and grouse stocking in the ff’er group, it got me to thinking (Hmmm… thought I smelled wood burning!) about the proper shotgun for trout.

An English side-by-side with a splinter fore end and a straight stock, only, and *only* over a pointing dog.   Waxing my Barbour coat and waiting for a call from my broker, David

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: Say! what about going after grouse with a 6 weight rod?  I have heard about : people catching pigeons with a threaded piece of dried corn. Time to re-hash the stories about bat-casting….

i always practice C&R on them…and ouzels…not much meat on a bat, but the wings (I’ve heard) make excellent jerky. TimW

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – After reading all the posts about upland bird hunting and grouse stocking in the ff’er group, it got me to thinking (Hmmm… thought I smelled wood burning!) about the proper shotgun for trout. It would seem to me that you might want to go with variable chokes depending on if trout were feeding on the surface or not. The AR folks could always practice blast and release. Say! what about going after grouse with a 6 weight rod?  I have heard about people catching pigeons with a threaded piece of dried corn. Regards, Frank. Self appointed treasurer of the Mountain Home Benevolent Trout Fishers Assosciation. Motto:  Your dues are due. P.S.  I’m going nuts.  I haven’t been able to fish for awhile, and if I don’t soak my lower half in some cold water soon, I’m done for.

Hi Frank I’ve got some yellow Brazilian Velour that should make a great corn fly. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog)

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After reading all the posts about upland bird hunting and grouse stocking in the ff’er group, it got me to thinking (Hmmm… thought I smelled wood burning!) about the proper shotgun for trout. It would seem to me that you might want to go with variable chokes depending on if trout were feeding on the surface or not. The AR folks could always practice blast and release. Say! what about going after grouse with a 6 weight rod?  I have heard about people catching pigeons with a threaded piece of dried corn. Regards, Frank. Self appointed treasurer of the Mountain Home Benevolent Trout Fishers Assosciation. Motto:  Your dues are due. P.S.  I’m going nuts.  I haven’t been able to fish for awhile, and if I don’t soak my lower half in some cold water soon, I’m done for.

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Can anyone tell me about the quality of fly fishing in Arkansas the second week of Oct.?   Where to go and stay with a spouse that would like to do things other than fish? Thanks for your help.    

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Check out Gaston’s White River Resort in Lakeview.  It’s just below the Bull Shoals Dam.  Jim Gaston Has a homepage on the WEB & a lot of stuff upoloaded to the fishing libraries of CompuServe.

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I don’t want to sound like some spam spewing gimp, but my wife and I stayed at Gaston’s Resort in Northern Ark. on the White River just below Bull Shoals Dam and had a terrific time. The Cabins are clean and well stocked with fire wood (daily), A beautiful view of the river is available from the cushioned window seats in the cabin. And in less than twenty minutes you can be standing in Brown Trout Heaven (w/ a few Rainbows in the mix) in the C/R area just below Bull Shoals Dam. I just hope their not running water when you’re there. You can reach them by dialing: (501)431-5202 My last trip there was Jan 2nd-5th of this year. No water out of the dam, Browns stacked up in spawning beds, and of course very few fishermen. I ran an egg sucking leech through the rapids and regularly hooked into 20+" fish that weren’t quick to the net. I suspect if the weather gets and stays cool early this year, the spawn will probably be starting just as you arrive. Tight Lines, J&J Sandone

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I can’t believe you people keep falling for this stuff.  You need to just ignore the post altogether. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh say can you see, by the prides early light, that you are a fool, for buying the Ford.  And the engine breaks down,  you feel like a clown, Thats right you un-intelligent flag wavers!  Why is it that you all seem so hung up on BUY AMERICAN!   Why is it that innocent women get harrased by union truck drivers for driving a foriegn vehicle?  Would you like your wife,  daughter or mom to be insulted by some greasy moron who says  

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A FF partner is visiting Switzerland for several weeks in Aug/Sep and he is wondering what FF opportunities and requirements exist for said same. Please E me or post. "The true angler is always content to fish alone" Brian Di Carlo

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  A FF partner is visiting Switzerland for several weeks in Aug/Sep and he is   wondering what FF opportunities and requirements exist for said same. Please   E me or post.   "The true angler is always content to fish alone"   Brian Di Carlo If he’s going to the Geneva area I think the best bet is to go to the nearby French rivers (known to be the best in France) the ‘loue’, ‘doubs’, ‘ain’ and ‘bienne’  and catch trout and grayling. These are all within 2-3 hours drive from Geneva. Closer still is the Rhone river leaving lake Geneva in the middle of town.  It is not as famous for its fly fishing though. I don’t know the german part of Switzerland, but found a URL on the web. http://www.access.ch/whoiswho//zulauf8.html   If he’s going to the Geneva area, drop me an email and I’ll provide some addresses and phone numbers. Cheers,         Peter. —  Peter Sollander, CERN ST/MC/TCR  Tel: (+41) 22.767.8081          Fax: (+41) 22.767.8910        

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I will be in Italy for 3 weeks. Venice, Rome, Florence. Any thoughts?

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There was an article in the Travel section of the New York Times just 2 or 3 weeks ago about fly fihsing (and eating) your way through Italy.  It was very informative about working your way through the postal system to get local licenses.  I’d look there.

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I have spent a fair amount of time in Italy, and despite fact I’m a lifetime flyfishing addict, I wouldn’t take time to flyfish.  I have seen a lot of tempting streams and rivers, but I’m not sure the fishing would be good (trout rarely shows up on the menu).  Pick up a good book on wine country and really enjoy Italy!!!! Tight Lines IBFISHN

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Don’t drink the Water.

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        Writing again about a flyfishing newsgroup…         My news server is running very slow so all the articles I see are 6 days old.  I got on another server recently and read more recent articles, so I’m posting again.  Excuse me if I’m writing something outdated now-         From what I see, there are people who don’t want to create a flyfishing newsgroup, and I can respect that.  Yes, someone pointed out that instead of having 50 email messages sent in one day you can get them all at once, which is nice.  I think I still like the idea of creating a newsgroup on the subject.  I don’t think it will detract from Rec.outdoors.fishing, and the bass fishermen will probably be happy to be rid of some of the flyfishing articles here.         From what I remember, technically we need to have some sort of organized discussion- just like we’re doing now.  Then, we have to have a vote.  I think there has to be a minimum number of votes, and the "ayes" have to outnumber the "nays" by a good amount (100 votes?).         I’m kind of busy for another week or so, and like I’ve said- I’m no expert here.  Is there some flyfishing sys admin who could help us set it up?  Or email me and I’ll do it myself?  If you don’t think we should have a new newsgroup, that’s fine.  But, you certainly can’t be against having a discussion and vote, right?         Thanks- -Jeff

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    Writing again about a flyfishing newsgroup…    My news server is running very slow so all the articles I see are 6 days old.  I got on another server recently and read more recent articles, so I’m posting again.  Excuse me if I’m writing something outdated now-    From what I see, there are people who don’t want to create a flyfishing newsgroup, and I can respect that.  Yes, someone pointed out that instead of having 50 email messages sent in one day you can get them all at once, which is nice.  I think I still like the idea of creating a newsgroup on the subject.  I don’t think it will detract from Rec.outdoors.fishing, and the bass fishermen will probably be happy to be rid of some of the flyfishing articles here.    From what I remember, technically we need to have some sort of organized discussion- just like we’re doing now.  Then, we have to have a vote.  I think there has to be a minimum number of votes, and the "ayes" have to outnumber the "nays" by a good amount (100 votes?).

  Technically, any discussion on here is pretty much a waste of time if   the true intent is to alter/create newsgroups and/or their structure.   Your efforts would be better spent in the news.- forums, because   that is where these things are decided.   Personally, I just don’t see the traffic in either alt.fishing or   rec.outdoors.fishing that would indicate the need for further   subdivision.  The fact that the flyfish listserv does carry a lot of   traffic is totally irrelevant to any discussion of usenet newsgroups –   they just aren’t related.  And who says bass fisherman don’t also   flyfish? — Northern Trust Co.  Chicago, IL |  DoD #97779  88 FLHTC

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Certainly the list-server will NOT be shut down for a varity of reasons, not to mention that some folks do not have access to a news server – only e-mail. I do think we need to pursue the creation of rec.fishing.flyfishing or whatever. Thomas Gilg First, let me clarify that I’m NOT proposing we terminate the flyfishing listserv. I do remain concerned however at the listserv’s explosive growth, and the ability of the list maintainer and we readers to keep up with it.           Flyfish Listserv Post Statistics for 11/92 thru 2/94       1000        950                                          *        900        850    p   800    o   750                                             + (half month)    s   700    t   650                              *    s   600                                       *        550                  *              *  *        500        450        400               *     *  *  *        350        300            *        250        200         *        150      *        100   *        50 *           11 12 1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10 11 12 1  2           1992                 1993                 1994                            month and year I loved the group *the way it was*, but times are changing, and none of us can change that fact.   Question is, what should we do?    I see several opportunities:    o Get more leverage from NEWS    o Find tools which help e-mail only users deal with the traffic.    o Setup services that give users visibility into the forums they      currently don’t have access to.    o Figure out how WWW/Mosaic might help us. Other options (I’m not endorsing) include:    o Restricted list servers    o Subgrouped flyfish listserv’s What it all comes down to: how do we manage the unstoppable growth, changes and limits we’re seeing in the electronic flyfishing forums? Thomas Gilg

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