– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – @mcw.edu: Kill file nuff said Was it something I said? Wolfgang jeez, there’s just no pleasing some people. :( Dammit, Wolfgang, Larry said "nuff said". Wasn’t that good enough for you, or do you need to be "nuff saided" a second time. Scott
Damnit Scott! I just hate it when you forget a question mark. It’s the thingie that looks like this (?). Is there no end to this madness!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dammit, Wolfgang, Larry said "nuff said". Wasn’t that good enough for you, or do you need to be "nuff saided" a second time. You guys better be careful. We could be dealing with a "nuff sadist" Tim now, *that’s* funny. i wish you’d cut this out. sure is difficult staying pissed at someone with a good sense of humor. wayno
For a third time, dang it. Nuff said! day in and day out . . . it just won’t STOP! George Gehrke "nuff said"
Well, let’s hope he saved some of her hair for tying streamers? GG
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just buried my sister last week . Fishing is super I love it but Lets put things in perspective as to importance in this life. that is the single most maudlin post i have ever seen on usenet. i regret your sister’s passing. but it must be noted that you are too fucked up for words. awh
I just buried my sister last week . Fishing is super I love it but Lets put things in perspective as to importance in this life.
that is the single most maudlin post i have ever seen on usenet. i regret your sister’s passing. but it must be noted that you are too fucked up for words. awh
If you dont agree with someone fine My whole point was you dont need to call someone fucked up, stupid , asshole or what ever if they dont agree with you. Its just that simple. I choose to ignore people who do Some people go through life doing this. Life is to short. Look for the good you wont find it by telling others they are fucked ,twit or what ever because they dont agree with you. I want other people opinions . A person cant live enough life times to gain the wisdom available from others. Im actually a very easy going laid back person — Fly Fisherman With a Fur less Naked Cat named Dub
I guess Bill Gates is wrong. I used spell check to verify my signature. Is it possible for Microsoft to make a mistake? — Fly Fisherman With a Fur less Naked Cat named Dub
Dont you just love the pissing contest? Its just fishing Everyone needs to get a life and enjoy the sport. Relax! Life is to short. As a newbie I appreciate all the information I can get. I will then make my decision on other opinions ignorant and un creditable My 2 cents worth — Fly Fisherman With a Fur less Naked Cat named Dub
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dont you just love the pissing contest? Its just fishing Everyone needs to get a life and enjoy the sport. Relax! Life is to short. As a newbie I appreciate all the information I can get. I will then make my decision on other opinions ignorant and un creditable My 2 cents worth — Fly Fisherman With a Fur less Naked Cat named Dub
Line forms on the left. No pushing, shoving, or cutting. Please have your ticket ready. Scott
Dont you just love the pissing contest? Its just fishing Everyone needs to get a life and enjoy the sport. Relax! Life is to short. As a newbie I appreciate all the information I can get. I will then make my decision on other opinions ignorant and un creditable My 2 cents worth — Fly Fisherman With a Fur less Naked Cat named Dub
FURLESS IS ONE WORD YOU INSUFFERABLE TWIT! Wolfgang that enough information for ya?
Dont you just love the pissing contest?
Actually, yes. I just don’t like it when it hits me. Its just fishing Everyone needs to get a life and enjoy the sport. Relax! Life is to short.
Screw off! Don’t tell ME what to do! (must relax, must relax. . . ) As a newbie I appreciate all the information I can get. I will then make my decision on other opinions ignorant and un creditable
Uh, ’scuse me, but I don’t think "un" is a word. I wouldn’t say anything normally, but, hey, we’re discussing ignorance here. My 2 cents worth
Tim here’s your change
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dont you just love the pissing contest? Its just fishing Everyone needs to get a life and enjoy the sport. Relax! Life is to short. As a newbie I appreciate all the information I can get. I will then make my decision on other opinions ignorant and un creditable My 2 cents worth — Fly Fisherman With a Fur less Naked Cat named Dub FURLESS IS ONE WORD YOU INSUFFERABLE TWIT!
WOLF GANG is TWO WORDS YOU DUMB FUCK! George Gehrke "or is that WolfPack?"
FURLESS IS ONE WORD YOU INSUFFERABLE TWIT! WOLF GANG is TWO WORDS YOU DUMB FUCK! George Gehrke
Not usually one to condone scatology, but, in the meantime, SIC’EM, George! By the bye, what’s the diffference between ignorance & stupidity? Yours in the north Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — A person is free only in the freedom of other persons. W. Berry
FURLESS IS ONE WORD YOU INSUFFERABLE TWIT! WOLF GANG is TWO WORDS YOU DUMB FUCK! George Gehrke Not usually one to condone scatology, but, in the meantime, SIC’EM, George!
Well, let’s see now. I am reviled by the most despised and least literate buffoon on this news group, and from all reports on others as well, who is by now so drunk he probably can’t stand up (yep, look at the patterns), and who is, to put it as simply as possible, wrong as always, and he is cheered on by a guy who thinks he is a talking tree. Oh yeah, I’m all tore up. 
By the bye, what’s the diffference between ignorance & stupidity?
The ignorant have not yet encountered a particularly loathsome piece of offal named George. The stupid support him. Yours in the north Maine woods, Pete Hilton aka The Ent — A person is free only in the freedom of other persons. W. Berry
Wolfgang he can never be free who allows aphorisms to think for him.
The humor eluded you, which is understandable because you cut out the signature punch line. oh well? George "understanding he’s misunderstood"
I think everyone missed the main issue here . . . WADDA YA MEAN its JUST fishing???? Man, it’s FISHING we’re talking about here!! MikeS
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dont you just love the pissing contest? Its just fishing Everyone needs to get a life and enjoy the sport. Relax! Life is to short. As a newbie I appreciate all the information I can get. I will then make my decision on other opinions ignorant and un creditable My 2 cents worth — Fly Fisherman With a Fur less Naked Cat named Dub
I just buried my sister last week . Fishing is super I love it but Lets put things in perspective as to importance in this life. — Fly Fisherman With a Fur less Naked Cat named Dub
Kill file nuff said — Fly Fisherman With a Fur less Naked Cat named Dub
I just buried my sister last week . Fishing is super I love it but Lets put things in perspective as to importance in this life.
Ow, Larry. That must have been horrible beyond words. My symathies. I hope there’ll be a quiet time this summer, maybe on a river with a line out, when thoughts of your sister come in and make the moment right. I buried my dad last year. The only thing I asked for from his estate was a casting rod. There are lots of such moments, and they’re good. riverman
Kill file nuff said
I don’t get it. You make this thread’s original post scolding everyone for being petty, then when someone says something you don’t like, you post this petty reply. If you really want to "kill file" someone, just do it in a silent mode. It sounds to me like you don’t have much tolerance for others. Maybe you should just "kill file" all of us and be done with it. Then you can just read your own posts, the opinions of which I’m sure you’ll agree. Tim it’s lonely as a party of one
Kill file nuff said
Was it something I said? Wolfgang jeez, there’s just no pleasing some people. :(
@mcw.edu: Kill file nuff said Was it something I said? Wolfgang jeez, there’s just no pleasing some people. :(
Dammit, Wolfgang, Larry said "nuff said". Wasn’t that good enough for you, or do you need to be "nuff saided" a second time. Scott
Scott Seidman wrote… Dammit, Wolfgang, Larry said "nuff said". Wasn’t that good enough for you, or do you need to be "nuff saided" a second time.
‘Nuff said. — Warren change addy to yahoo for email Henry’s Fork Clave info and Bozeman, MT fishing info http://www.geocities.com/troutbum_mt3/HFclave.html
Dammit, Wolfgang, Larry said "nuff said". Wasn’t that good enough for you, or do you need to be "nuff saided" a second time. Scott
I think this is a "nuff sader." — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.
Dammit, Wolfgang, Larry said "nuff said". Wasn’t that good enough for you, or do you need to be "nuff saided" a second time.
You guys better be careful. We could be dealing with a "nuff sadist" Tim
Dammit, Wolfgang, Larry said "nuff said". Wasn’t that good enough for you, or do you need to be "nuff saided" a second time. You guys better be careful. We could be dealing with a "nuff sadist" Tim
now, *that’s* funny. i wish you’d cut this out. sure is difficult staying pissed at someone with a good sense of humor. wayno – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
I could be mistaken but I thought I read (perhaps it was about George LaBranche) how he would constantly cast while keeping the fly above the water. The idea was to dupe trout into thinking there was a hatch going on. If my reading is correct, then this technique predates Maclean and dispells Borgers’ misinformation. Guess I’ll have to re-read THE DRY FLY AND FAST WATER.
Shadow Casting… Is it real – or just something pretty dreamed up by Maclean and stunt-filmed by Redford. …and if it is real how does one attempt it. Ari Ari Bert Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903 +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230 Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax) Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa
Shadow Casting… Is it real – or just something pretty dreamed up by Maclean and stunt-filmed by Redford. ..
It’s the latter. Kevin
Shadow Casting… Is it real – or just something pretty dreamed up by Maclean and stunt-filmed by Redford.
It’s been a while since I read the book. If memory serves me, it was just something that Paul MacLean made up. - Ken
Ari, Go to Jason Borger’s website and read what he has to say about shadow casting. http://www.jasonborger.com/NewFiles/shadowcast.html Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Shadow Casting… Is it real – or just something pretty dreamed up by Maclean and stunt-filmed by Redford. …and if it is real how does one attempt it. Ari Ari Bert Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903 +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230 Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax) Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Shadow Casting… Is it real – or just something pretty dreamed up by Maclean and stunt-filmed by Redford. …and if it is real how does one attempt it. Ari Ari Bert Gaelle Bert +27 (0) 83 232 9903 +27 (0) 83 236 5308 Flyfishing Corner +27 (0) 11 447 7230 Shop 94, Admirals Court +27 (0) 11 882 8537 (fax) Cnr Craddock & Tyrwhitt www.troutfishing.co.za Street, Rosebank P.O.Box 79067 Senderwood 2145 South Africa
There is a little merit to it. If one can show only the leader and a fly over a certain area several times, it may arouse curiousity in a trout. They are more aware of what goes on above the surface than most give them credit, especially in lakes in calmer conditions. Bob S — Free Fly Fishing E-Magazine http://go.to/lakeflyfishing Lake Fly Fishing Instructional CD’s & VHS Top Fifty Lake Fly Patterns on CD-ROM
Well, I got back around 12 Sunday night from fishing in West Yellowstone with Ray Danen and his father Wayne (the people I met here on ROFF that are visiting from NM). I stayed up until midnight tying flies that I thought would be productive. I eventually went to bed around 1:30 am and got up at 3 am so I could meet them in West Yellowstone at 6 am. After getting about 45 minutes away I remembered that I forgot the box of dries that I had tied for them and remembered only the nymphs. We met in the morning at 6 am in front of one of the fly shops in West Yellowstone. The air was cool, but the skies were clear and there was just a slight hint of a breeze. We decided to have a bite first so we went to a cafe and got some breakfast. They began to tell me how they had fished around Jackson Hole and that the wind had been terrible and conditions were almost unfishable. I assured them that we would all catch fish today. Okay, maybe not the smartest thing, but I wanted them to enjoy themselves and the probability for catching fish is pretty good in this area. After breakfast we drove down close to Quake Lake and planned on walking up the Madison close to Hebgen dam from there. The wind started to pick up before we even saw the water. As we hiked in we noticed several cars pulled alongside the road. I know the three of us were a sight, but we couldn’t figure out what they were looking at. As we walked on I saw a moose and we decided to give it a wide berth. We eventually reached a little creek that empties into Quake Lake and started fishing our way down to the lake. Wayne is new to fly fishing so I stayed with him and tried to give him some pointers. We found a nice hole and proceeded to fish it despite the increasing wind. I was suprised at how fast Wayne picked things up and his eagerness to learn. His casting was rough, but he could get some distance. Just had a few minor adjustments that needed to be made and the wind wasn’t helping any. As we fished the hole Wayne seemed to improve with each cast. Ray walked on ahead and began fishing another nice hole. We ended up with nothing from either hole so we continued on. I pretty much stayed with Wayne as he and Ray fished several other holes. We finally fished our way down to Quake Lake and still hadn’t caught a single fish and we covered some pretty nice water so I was beginning to wonder how the day was going to turn out. We walked along the Lake sharing tidbits of info on the Quake Lake disaster and planned on fishing the mouth of the lake. I don’t know why, but it is kind of eerie there. I think it has to do with being at a site knowing that several people died there and are still buried under the rubble. When we reached the mouth we decided to split up and fish the mouth. Fish started rising so we began thinking today was going to shape up to be okay after all. We saw several small bugs (I’m not an entimologist so don’t ask) so decided to each try something different. I tried a small parachute adams, Ray tied on a small BWO and I forget what Wayne tied on. After several casts we had not even gotten a nudge. Ray switched to a small PMD and on his first cast landed a small rainbow. Okay, now we are starting to get somewhere. At least Ray isn’t going to be skunked today. I switched flies, switched again, switched yet again. Guess I’m not going to be so lucky and it doesn’t look like Wayne is either. We moved around and fished the area and I found a group of small fish working an eddy. There was one or two that looked to be decent size so I cast a small parachute BWO. A small fish rose and I set the hook. No fish. Cast again. Same result. Cast again. Same. After several casts I finally hooked a fish. I landed a beautiful, couldn’t be outdone…….roughly 10" whitefish. Ah shit, hope nobody saw that. Sure enough they did. We continued our way up and found several other pods of rising whiteys. Enter Frosty the Freaking Snowman. Clouds began to move in and the temp dropped quite a bit. The wind began to pick up more and little white flakes of snow started to fall. Things were starting to turn ugly so we started moving up river faster. Ray eventually lands a couple more whiteys. Wayne and I weren’t having much success at all. I had hooked into 2 fish and lost both while Wayne lost 1. My hope is starting to dwindle, but the best water is yet to come so we decide to just go there. I fished every hole that normally holds fish with no success. One more lost fish and that was it. Ray landed a rainbow that was about 14". Wayne, nothing. Then Frosty decides to give us another dose. It was pretty neat to see. As the snow increased, the fish began to go nuts. I casted and casted and casted and could not land one. Several more missed fish. Probably just more white fish. We end the day just like that and returned to West Yellowstone for some dinner. They asked if I wanted to go out again Monday and since I didn’t have to work until 6 pm I thought I could spare a few hours. We met Monday morning and decided to go fish a stretch of the Madison. It is really just a channel of the Madison, but it is one of my favorite spots. I have never been skunked here and thought it would restore some faith and heal my wounded soul/ego. Well, when we got there Ray noticed the water was a little off color. It was a milky green that I had never seen before. We decided to go on and fish it. The weather was shaping up to be much better than the day before and I was hopeful that we would all catch fish. Since I had to leave early I decided to fish the stretch quickly. I moved on ahead and went to my first honey hole. No luck. Next hole, one bite, next hole no luck, next hole no luck, next hole one bite. And on and on it went. And to make matters worse the weather began to deteriorate. Frozen rain began to fall fast and furious as the temperature took another dice. I came across a couple of dead fish and one that was lying belly up taking its last breaths. I still don’t understand what was happening in the water. Algae bloom? I went to my favorite hole on this stretch that has ALWAYS provided for me. Hell, I even took my wife there and she caught her first fish on a fly rod there. Tons of fish in this pool. I couldn’t go wrong here. Well, you can guess what happened. I hooked into a fish and my damn line broke! After fishing the hole for another 30 minutes with no luck I decided I had better go check on my companions and see what time it was. I met up with Ray and Wayne and found out that Ray had caught 3 fish and lost one good one. We talked for awhile and went back up to the vehicles and said our goodbyes and decided that we might try again Friday if they are still around. What a tale of woe! I’ve never had such bad luck and now think I am in the worst slump of my life. Can only wonder what the hell they think of my "great places" and "guarantees" now. I know one thing: I feel like shit and need a beer. Hell, I couldn’t even come up with a good title for this piece because all the good ones are taken. "Paradise Lost" is out. "Tough Trip through Paradise" is out
I have only read one article on anything close to a home-made +ACI-braided+ACI- leader. It is a section on +ACI-furled+ACI- leader in the book titled +ACI- Micro Patterns+ACI- by Darrel Martin. Though a book about fishing flies sizes 16 or smaller, this section may be of help to you in terms of method and materials. Give it a try anyway. tight lines. jimmy
+AD4-Please accept my apologies for the previous message – it appears there is +AD4-some problem with my service provider. +AD4- +AD4-I am looking at what woule be involved in braiding my own fly lines from +AD4-mono for salt water/suf type situations. As far as I can determine, getting +AD4-the weight of the line itself right is one of the major obstacles (to +AD4-ensure that the line is balanced to the rod, but what other problems am i +AD4-likely to come up against? +AD4- +AD4-Does anyone else have any experience in this area? +AD4- +AD4-TIA, +AD4- +AD4- Vic
Home braided fly lines are the ideal compliment to hand whittled tapered leaders…. I remember grandpa out on the porch braiding up fly lines for the whole damned neighborhood. He’d do a line fer ya in exchange for a bottle of Mead back during prohibition. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"
Here we go again, the first liar doesn’t stand a chance. Did he whittle them out of a solid block? — Ernie Harrison Want To Tie Tapered leaders? Go To: http://users.ccnet.com/~emh/knots – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Home braided fly lines are the ideal compliment to hand whittled tapered leaders…. I remember grandpa out on the porch braiding up fly lines for the whole damned neighborhood. He’d do a line fer ya in exchange for a bottle of Mead back during prohibition. — TimW, Halfordian Golfer "Guilt replaced the creel…"
Must have been one hell of a leader to fetch such a high price. People went to jail for that, you know. jimmy
+AD4-Home braided fly lines are the ideal compliment to hand whittled tapered +AD4-leaders…. +AD4- +AD4-I remember grandpa out on the porch braiding up fly lines for the whole +AD4-damned neighborhood. +AD4- +AD4-He’d do a line fer ya in exchange for a bottle of Mead back during +AD4-prohibition. +AD4- +AD4— +AD4-TimW, Halfordian Golfer +AD4AIg-Guilt replaced the creel…+ACI- +AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
I am looking at what woule be involved in braiding my own fly lines from mono for salt water/suf type situations. As far as I can determine, getting the weight of the line itself right is one of the major obstacles (to ensure that the line is balanced to the rod, but what other problems am i likely to come up against?
Friction drag in the air seems the main problem. For either unit weight or unit length, braided mono fly line would have much more surface than standard plastic line, thus incur much more drag in the air. You would probably need an unusual fly rod to be able to aerialize it for any cast longer than that available with a standard line. — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Road, Carlsbad Springs, | | Ontario, Canada, K0A 1K0, tel. 613 822 0734 |
Please accept my apologies for the previous message – it appears there is some problem with my service provider. I am looking at what woule be involved in braiding my own fly lines from mono for salt water/suf type situations. As far as I can determine, getting the weight of the line itself right is one of the major obstacles (to ensure that the line is balanced to the rod, but what other problems am i likely to come up against? Does anyone else have any experience in this area? TIA, Vic
Hi Vic, I experimented along these lines ( pardon the pun ! ) for quite a while. Practically None of the results were satistactory. It was very complex and time consuming, and I could hardly cast the results. The best result was with braided terylene cord. I unravelled this and plaited the end down to a taper. It was a terrible mess about but it works OK. It also floats of itself without dressing etc. In the meantime I reckon one is better off buying a line than trying to make one. The experiments with mono just cost me a lot of time for nothing really. There is also some braided cord available which I think is courlene, which gave fairly good results, I am still playing about with this. Hope this helps. Tight lines ! Mike Connor
Please accept my apologies for the previous message – it appears there is some problem with my service provider. I am looking at what woule be involved in braiding my own fly lines from mono for salt water/suf type situations. As far as I can determine, getting the weight of the line itself right is one of the major obstacles (to ensure that the line is balanced to the rod, but what other problems am i likely to come up against? Does anyone else have any experience in this area? TIA, Vic
Is there such an event sceduled and what is it going to consist of. Central Coast Bob
Robert, Yes, there is such an event. Cost is $25.00 per individual and there will be many activities. If you are the Bob I’m thinking about, you can just stop by Central Coast Fly Fishing on Carmel Valley Road and pick up a flyer on the "conclave" with all the goodies and costs listed. Bob Moss Landing, Ca. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is there such an event sceduled and what is it going to consist of. Central Coast Bob
Is there such an event sceduled and what is it going to consist of. Central Coast Bob
Try this link http://www.calflytech.com/nccfff/conclave/index.html I’ll be there tying Saturday afternoon, — Doug Knight metalfab<atpacbell.net Junk e-mail, solicitation, sales, products and services gladly accepted at $500.00 per mailing and billed directly to your ISP.
Is there such an event sceduled and what is it going to consist of. Central Coast Bob
Hi All, This is an annual event at North Shore Lake Tahoe. You can sit face to face with some of the best west coast fly tyers and fly fishers. You can watch them tie and talk fishing. It is a fabulous time for all interested in the sport. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY www.kiene.com
I’m going to be camping and fishing at Lake Almanor this coming weekend (June 13 -14). Is there anyone out there who might be able to pass on some tips? Is it true that mid-June is the time of the Hex hatch there? Is fishing from a tube a must? All tips and hints are sincerely appreciated. Scott
Scott, The lake is high and cold. All the tributaries are pumping in snow melt and the laake is about three feet from being full. At this point the fishing is slow. What fish are being taken are full of midges and a few Hex. nymphs they are grubbing along the bottom. We normally look toward the 4th of July for our Hex hatch. This is still a little early and the hatch will be delayed until the water conditions are better. Try Yellow creek or look for some small streams, of which there are plenty in the area, to get some fishing in. Ralph Wood C & R Guide Service – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m going to be camping and fishing at Lake Almanor this coming weekend (June 13 -14). Is there anyone out there who might be able to pass on some tips? Is it true that mid-June is the time of the Hex hatch there? Is fishing from a tube a must? All tips and hints are sincerely appreciated. Scott
I would like to hook up a portable gas grill to my existing LP tank on my motorhome. My Grill has a regulator on it. I would like to put a quick disconect at my coaches lp tank and run aprox. 12 ft hoese to the grill. Should this be installed before or after the regulator on the coach. Thanks Ron B
Everything should come after the regulator. If you travel with gas appliances on, and you’re in a crash, and the line breaks, the regulator will limit the amount of gas leaking from the line (which will be bad enough). If the line breaks between the tank and the regulator, the amount of gas leaking would surely be catastrophic. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to hook up a portable gas grill to my existing LP tank on my motorhome. My Grill has a regulator on it. I would like to put a quick disconect at my coaches lp tank and run aprox. 12 ft hoese to the grill. Should this be installed before or after the regulator on the coach. Thanks Ron B
I would like to hook up a portable gas grill to my existing LP tank on my motorhome. My Grill has a regulator on it. I would like to put a quick disconect at my coaches lp tank and run aprox. 12 ft hoese to the grill. Should this be installed before or after the regulator on the coach. Thanks Ron B
You can purchase exactly what you want from Camping World. You must install it before the regulator, since all the grills, lights, etc. with regulators attached expect to see "high pressure" gas on the high side of the regulator. Somehow, I suspect that two regulators in series don’t make a whole lot of sense. Les
If the grill has a regulator you need to hook up before the regulator. I tried to hook up a Coleman lantern after the regulator and it wouldn’t work. Not enough pressure. You can get any custom made setup at your local propane dealer. — The only thing that stops God from sending another flood is that the first one was useless. Chamfort 1741-94 to reply remove nospam from e-mail – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to hook up a portable gas grill to my existing LP tank on my motorhome. My Grill has a regulator on it. I would like to put a quick disconect at my coaches lp tank and run aprox. 12 ft hoese to the grill. Should this be installed before or after the regulator on the coach. Thanks Ron B You can purchase exactly what you want from Camping World. You must install it before the regulator, since all the grills, lights, etc. with regulators attached expect to see "high pressure" gas on the high side of the regulator. Somehow, I suspect that two regulators in series don’t make a whole lot of sense. Les
I can live with most kinds of noise. After all I was born, raised and lived in New York City for 30 years before I eventually left for greener pastures. All the noise you mention and is usually heard in parks is relatively of a short term duration. The RVer’s that seem to require a generator to make it through the day run them for continously for hours upon hours. That is what drives folks off the wall. This person I was referring to was the only RV in the park of some 200 sites that saw the need of using a generator 6 hours a day. I was staying at the opposite side of the camp from him and still it was a constant drone of noise. The camp rules are loose and probably should be. But just because something is not specificly disallowed does not mean it should be OK to do it. Common courtesy comes into play with the needs of the campers in the other 199 campsites that would appreciate some peace and quiet. If that person ‘required’ AC voltage for some reason, it seems to me to only be logical to stay someplace that supplies it. If they want to enjoy the facilities of the State Park, they could come in on day trips. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ed, I really really try to avoid responding to irrational tirades, but you are off the deep end on this one. Did you try to get a different site? Did you inquire about the reason? We just returned from a trip during which we also stayed overnight in a NY State Forest CG. The rules did NOT speak to generators. We were the ONLY MH in our section, and we chose not to run our generator, even after the quiet hours (10-7) for breakfast. Instead, we left the park and found a parking area where nobody would be disturbed while we fixed coffee & toast. Ed, the regulations limit the hours for noisy disturbances, they don’t appoint you the judge of what sort of noise is unacceptable. Kids shriek, and parents shriek at them. Dogs bark, and doors slam. Engines start. Boom boxes assault the senses with awful wailing and banging. You want noise? Try a tranquil ocean-side park next to the naval air station! Or the near-perpetual wind off Cape Hatteras. The rules also prohibit the discharge of firearms, but some yahoo let fly with 5 rounds from what sounded like a 12-gauge at 2:25 AM. Frankly, I don’t think you have any cause whatever to call the person a clown and an idiot… especially when you admit he operated only for a few hours in the accepted time frame and his generator was quiet. Regardless of whether he had a need – medical or otherwise – that *you* consider valid, he has a RIGHT which you and I cannot properly dispute. If you want guaranteed quiet, BUY a huge tract of land, post no-trespassing signs, and get the gummit to declare the air-space above it sacred. And for goodness sakes don’t let anyone with any internal combustion engine get near the place. Will KD3XR
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Tch! Tch! "blockhead"? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The camp rules are loose and probably should be. But just because something is not specificly disallowed does not mean it should be OK to do it. Common courtesy comes into play with the needs of the campers in the other 199 campsites that would appreciate some peace and quiet. I guess you don’t get it, Ed. No point in arguing with blockheads who think it is OK to describe someone as an idiot because they don’t conform to your POV. As I indicated, the courteous person will avoid unnecessary annoyance of others regardless of rules.. which for the most part exist to deal with rude and inconsiderate people who will not otherwise behave decently. But your extreme reaction to an individual at the other side of a campground tells me you are gonna be an unhappy camper for a long time. And frankly I think you are out of line to claim to speak for 199 others campers, when you apprently did not even trouble yourself to meet the "clown". All of this should not be mistaken as my endorsement of annoying use of generators (or other equipment such as your mouth!). Clearly, most RV travelers DO excercise care to avoid idling diesels, loud music, unshaded Coleman lanterns, etc. But no good cause is served by irrational screeching, which I personally feel is more unpleasant than the sound of a generator. Will KD3XR
The camp rules are loose and probably should be. But just because something is not specificly disallowed does not mean it should be OK to do it. Common courtesy comes into play with the needs of the campers in the other 199 campsites that would appreciate some peace and quiet.
I guess you don’t get it, Ed. No point in arguing with blockheads who think it is OK to describe someone as an idiot because they don’t conform to your POV. As I indicated, the courteous person will avoid unnecessary annoyance of others regardless of rules.. which for the most part exist to deal with rude and inconsiderate people who will not otherwise behave decently. But your extreme reaction to an individual at the other side of a campground tells me you are gonna be an unhappy camper for a long time. And frankly I think you are out of line to claim to speak for 199 others campers, when you apprently did not even trouble yourself to meet the "clown". All of this should not be mistaken as my endorsement of annoying use of generators (or other equipment such as your mouth!). Clearly, most RV travelers DO excercise care to avoid idling diesels, loud music, unshaded Coleman lanterns, etc. But no good cause is served by irrational screeching, which I personally feel is more unpleasant than the sound of a generator. Will KD3XR
When we worked in John Pennekamp Coral Reef SP in Key Largo, FL. the last three winters they did not allow generators to be run period. Even the tour busses that came in were not allowed to sit in the parking lots with the generators running. People all over the beach did not have to listen to that roar all day. Will is right in that most state parks (and we have worked or volunteered at many) have quiet times and outside those hours most anything goes within reason. For the most part people we have camped near that had to run their generators did so only for a limited time frame and only out of some necessity. Rick
THE first clue here is the word "winter", and in ANY part of Florida, WINTER is the ONLY period when air conditioning is not a matter of life or death for most normal humans! Also note the absense of mention of whether park supplied power is available – that circumstance would make a world of difference as to any need for generators. The rest of your references to camping experience concerning the use of generators is pretty much common sense. — Gary..KJ6Q… Born free – taxed to death! Pride is what WE have – Vanity is what OTHERS have…!
When we worked in John Pennekamp Coral Reef SP in Key Largo, FL. the last three winters they did not allow generators to be run period. Even the tour busses that came in were not allowed to sit in the parking lots with the generators running. People all over the beach did not have to listen to that roar all day. Will is right in that most state parks (and we have worked or volunteered at many) have quiet times and outside those hours most anything goes within reason. For the most part people we have camped near that had to run their generators did so only for a limited time frame and only out of some necessity. Rick
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – obvious outrage: Forget about getting a generator. I just got back from a week long camping trip at a NY State Park. There was one clown (idiot) who was in a Class C RV that ran his generator every day from about 3:00pm to 9:00pm. That guy was the most hated person in the camp. I was at the opposite side of the camp that him and I could hear the generator loud and clear. It is not that the generator was that loud. It is just that the park is quiet and the generator noise just drones on forever . . . Ed, I really really try to avoid responding to irrational tirades, but you are off the deep end on this one. Did you try to get a different site? Did you inquire about the reason? We just returned from a trip during which we also stayed overnight in a NY State Forest CG. The rules did NOT speak to generators. We were the ONLY MH in our section, and we chose not to run our generator, even after the quiet hours (10-7) for breakfast. Instead, we left the park and found a parking area where nobody would be disturbed while we fixed coffee & toast. Ed, the regulations limit the hours for noisy disturbances, they don’t appoint you the judge of what sort of noise is unacceptable. Kids shriek, and parents shriek at them. Dogs bark, and doors slam. Engines start. Boom boxes assault the senses with awful wailing and banging. You want noise? Try a tranquil ocean-side park next to the naval air station! Or the near-perpetual wind off Cape Hatteras. The rules also prohibit the discharge of firearms, but some yahoo let fly with 5 rounds from what sounded like a 12-gauge at 2:25 AM. Frankly, I don’t think you have any cause whatever to call the person a clown and an idiot… especially when you admit he operated only for a few hours in the accepted time frame and his generator was quiet. Regardless of whether he had a need – medical or otherwise – that *you* consider valid, he has a RIGHT which you and I cannot properly dispute. If you want guaranteed quiet, BUY a huge tract of land, post no-trespassing signs, and get the gummit to declare the air-space above it sacred. And for goodness sakes don’t let anyone with any internal combustion engine get near the place. Will KD3XR Yahoo? tch! tch!
obvious outrage: Forget about getting a generator. I just got back from a week long camping trip at a NY State Park. There was one clown (idiot) who was in a Class C RV that ran his generator every day from about 3:00pm to 9:00pm. That guy was the most hated person in the camp. I was at the opposite side of the camp that him and I could hear the generator loud and clear. It is not that the generator was that loud. It is just that the park is quiet and the generator noise just drones on forever . . .
Ed, I really really try to avoid responding to irrational tirades, but you are off the deep end on this one. Did you try to get a different site? Did you inquire about the reason? We just returned from a trip during which we also stayed overnight in a NY State Forest CG. The rules did NOT speak to generators. We were the ONLY MH in our section, and we chose not to run our generator, even after the quiet hours (10-7) for breakfast. Instead, we left the park and found a parking area where nobody would be disturbed while we fixed coffee & toast. Ed, the regulations limit the hours for noisy disturbances, they don’t appoint you the judge of what sort of noise is unacceptable. Kids shriek, and parents shriek at them. Dogs bark, and doors slam. Engines start. Boom boxes assault the senses with awful wailing and banging. You want noise? Try a tranquil ocean-side park next to the naval air station! Or the near-perpetual wind off Cape Hatteras. The rules also prohibit the discharge of firearms, but some yahoo let fly with 5 rounds from what sounded like a 12-gauge at 2:25 AM. Frankly, I don’t think you have any cause whatever to call the person a clown and an idiot… especially when you admit he operated only for a few hours in the accepted time frame and his generator was quiet. Regardless of whether he had a need – medical or otherwise – that *you* consider valid, he has a RIGHT which you and I cannot properly dispute. If you want guaranteed quiet, BUY a huge tract of land, post no-trespassing signs, and get the gummit to declare the air-space above it sacred. And for goodness sakes don’t let anyone with any internal combustion engine get near the place. Will KD3XR
Forget about getting a generator. I just got back from a week long camping trip at a NY State Park. There was one clown (idiot) who was in a Class C RV that ran his generator every day from about 3:00pm to 9:00pm. That guy was the most hated person in the camp. I was at the opposite side of the camp that him and I could hear the generator loud and clear. It is not that the generator was that loud. It is just that the park is quiet and the generator noise just drones on forever and carries all over the camp. I was very surprised that someone camped near him did not sneak over and do a little sabatage on that noise maker. Everything in the trailer except the air conditioner and microwave is designed to run on 12Vdc battery power. If you feel you can not survive without an air conditioner or microwave, go to a commercial RV park where 30AMP power is supplied. Stay away from dry camping or 20AMP power at State parks. Generators are not welcome there. Your fellow campers will not like you much for using it. If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc. Do trailers need or have a seperate generator like ones in motorhomes? I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living. Look for more silly questions in the future:) — ….macgrath
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc. Do trailers need or have a seperate generator like ones in motorhomes? I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living. Look for more silly questions in the future:) — ….macgrath Well Mac, no question is a silly question. It just means that the person asking it doesn t know the answer and would like one. Lets get to it. Travel trailers use the propane gas to run the refrigerater and heater when electric is not available. The water pump & interior lighting is run off the heavy duty storage battery that all or most trailers have. The battery is a recreational type high capacity battery capable of lasting for several days with reasonable use. Make sure you disconnect the trailer cable from your vehicle or you will drain your vehicle battery in a very short time if the vehicle is not running. Personnal experience.
And there were some trailers that had propane lights. I had one for a while in the late 70’s that had one, though it had been partially dismantled and the oarts lost, so I never used it. I did, though, at one time, use a Bernzomatic propane lamp. It had a reflector, and you could turn it down to a softer light. Used that one quite a bit. Main drawback is the heat they put out. Not as noisy as a coleman gas lamp though. — Wayne, AKA Blackie! http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/4625 http://www.frontiernet.net/~blackie
If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc. Do trailers need or have a seperate generator like ones in motorhomes? I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living. Look for more silly questions in the future:) — ….macgrath
Hi Macgrath My little trailer is self contained so I can use the bath room toilet/shower and later empty the holding tank. The refrigerator is 3-way so I can use it on either AC, propane, or DC. The lights are also usable on AC or DC off the battery. My trailer’s battery is charged as I drive but I still find it a good idea to put a charger on it when I’m at home from time to time just to be sure it’s got a good charge. Good luck. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com
If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc. Do trailers need or have a seperate generator like ones in motorhomes? I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living. Look for more silly questions in the future:) — ….macgrath
Well Mac, no question is a silly question. It just means that the person asking it doesn t know the answer and would like one. Lets get to it. Travel trailers use the propane gas to run the refrigerater and heater when electric is not available. The water pump & interior lighting is run off the heavy duty storage battery that all or most trailers have. The battery is a recreational type high capacity battery capable of lasting for several days with reasonable use. Make sure you disconnect the trailer cable from your vehicle or you will drain your vehicle battery in a very short time if the vehicle is not running. Personnal experience. Hope this helps. jon
If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc. Do trailers need or have a separate generator like ones in motorhomes? I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living. Look for more silly questions in the future:) — ….macgrath
Yes, I’ve taken showers in my trailer in a rest area. No generator required unless you want AC. Otherwise you can camp for days. The holding tank will last for a week easily before you need to dump it. Off course that depends on how many people are using it. Usually around 40 gals is the size of the holding tanks for freshwater and sewage. Batteries can be charged by connecting back up to your vehicle and running it for a little while. 40 gals of FW only last for maybe 2 days for two people. You can haul in more easily though. Marion.
If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc. Do trailers need or have a seperate generator like ones in motorhomes? I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living. Look for more silly questions in the future:) — ….macgrath
If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc.
You can run the refrig on propane gas. The lights & water pump can run off of a battery. I bring a spare battery & charge up whichever one has run down. You will need a campground with a dump station to dump the holding tanks. I don’t have a generator, there very annoying. I go camping to get away from the noise. Dennis
Generators aren’t as common on travel trailers as they are on motorhomes because the usual fuel supply (gasoline) isn’t on board. There are propane-powered generators, but I don’t know how common/practical they are. Like you’ve been advised, the noise from generators is very disturbing — and often hated. If you do decide to buy a generator, check its noise rating (published by the manufacturer) and buy the quietest one you can get. Also look into solar power cells. I have a small ($20) one which sits on the dashboard of a seldom-used car of mine, and it does a great job keeping the battery up to charge. Of course, you’d need a more complex ("expensive") system for RV use. I’d advise you to go to your library and read all the back issues of Motorhome and Trailer Life magazines to start; also, any other books they have on RVing. There’s quite a few books written by and for full-timers. Good luck . . . see you on the road. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc. Do trailers need or have a seperate generator like ones in motorhomes? I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living. Look for more silly questions in the future:) — ….macgrath
If you are not in a place with hookups, can you use a trailers bathroom, electric, fridge etc. Do trailers need or have a seperate generator like ones in motorhomes? I’m in the beggining stages of researching possible purchasing of an RV of some sort for full time living. Look for more silly questions in the future:) — ….macgrath
Hi Macgrath My little trailer is self contained so I can use the bath room toilet/shower and later empty the holding tank. The refrigerator is 3-way so I can use it on either AC, propane, or DC. The lighter are also usable on AC or DC off the battery. My trailer’s battery is charged as I drive but I still find it a good idea to put a charger on it when I’m at home from time to time just to be sure it’s got a good charge. Good luck. — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com
Any fly as long as it’s big and bright. Don’t tie a complicated fly because pike beat up a fly real quick. I like to use 10X long streamer flies and cover the tube body or wrapped tinsel body with clear epoxy glue otherwise the pike’s teeth get caught in the body thereby preventing the hook point from penetrating. I like easy economical patterns like Mickey Finns, Red and White, Tri-color. Add flashabou if you want.
Dave Wilson wrote I’ve been volentered (sp?) to tye a bunch of pike flys for a friend, the only trouble is, What the heck patterns do I tye? If anyone has had experience here please respond.<< Have been doing a fair amount of fly fishing for Northern Pike for about 40 years now. Most important things I’ve learned are that pike will quickly tear up your flies (so doing it cheap is a big consideration) and that large undulating patterns work best. Trying to tie lots of flies cheaply I’ve found that using hooks in the 2/0 to 5/0 sizes with long shanks are the best starting point. I like the Eagle Claw Lazer Shark hooks made for bass fishermen rigging rubber worms the most cost effective. They have a shank as long as very long shank streamer hooks, come out of the package as sharp as you can get a hook and are very cost effective. The sproat is just about perfect. If you go down to your local craft store you’ll find 3" to 4" chicken feathers and marabou feathers sold in bulk for a really low price. I buy them in red and white. I wrap the whole hook shank from the start of the bend back to the hook eye in a single layer of thread wrapped quickly, then I tie in one feather each (approximately the same size) by wrapping over the exposed quill and back 1/2" to 3/4", this double wrap ending just at the hook eye. You can tie in a cone shaped nose if you like, but it’s not needed. Secure with a whip finish and you’ve got a simple, cheap yet highly effective streamer for toothy critters. Fair winds and following seas, Pat in Pawtucket RI
I’ve been volentered (sp?) to tye a bunch of pike flys for a friend, the only trouble is, What the heck patterns do I tye? If anyone has had experience here please respond. Thanks in advance Dave Wilson
Big 2/0 red/yellow or white marabou or bunny streamers. Big deer hair or caribou hair mouse patterns with weed guards for top water fishing. I would put 6 to 12 inches of wire leader on them. I am not an expert on the subject but that’s what I have seen. Dan Blanton has a trip to Canada for pike and you might look for his web site for some answers, too. Bill Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA 800/4000FLY
I’ve been volentered (sp?) to tye a bunch of pike flys for a friend, the only trouble is, What the heck patterns do I tye? If anyone has had experience here please respond. Thanks in advance Dave Wilson
I have a business meeting in Pullman, Washington June 28 – 21. Are there any trout streams in the area (3 – 4 hour radius) which won’t be flooded out during that time with reasonable access to wading. Thanks for any advice. Brent Buckley
: I have a business meeting in Pullman, Washington June 28 – 21. Are : there : any trout streams in the area (3 – 4 hour radius) which won’t be flooded : out during that time with reasonable access to wading. Sure, take a look through the entire N. Idaho region. St. Joe, Lochsa, Selway, St. Maries, Marble Creek, Clearwater (all forks), …etc. All will be very high water. I would guess the St. Joe might be the best option by end of June. — Rick T. Rick Fletcher – http://www.chem.uidaho.edu/~fletcher/ Associate professor of chemistry | That’s Idaho, not Iowa. | ad hominem University of Idaho | Upper Left Hand Corner. | ad hominem Moscow, ID 83844-2343 | No, I don’t grow potatoes. | ad hominem
Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly : I have a business meeting in Pullman, Washington June 28 – 21. Are : there : any trout streams in the area (3 – 4 hour radius) which won’t be flooded : out during that time with reasonable access to wading. Sure, take a look through the entire N. Idaho region. St. Joe, Lochsa, Selway, St. Maries, Marble Creek, Clearwater (all forks), …etc. But don’t neglect the Washington side of the Clearwater and lakes such as Lenore, Lenice, Amber to the west. There are some pleasant small lakes around Lewiston, too. — Laboratory for Applied Logic Dept. of Computer Science University of Idaho http://www.cs.uidaho.edu/~foster pgp key available at: ftp://ftp.cs.uidaho.edu/pub/foster/pgp-key.asc
I am attending a wedding in Asheville, NC next weekend and am trying to make the best of it. Can anyone recommend a trout stream in the area? JK
About twnety minutes from Asheville is the Pisgah National Forest outside of Brevard. I have fished there a few times but the name of the river escapes me. A muddler minnow works well. There is an Orvis store in Asheville that may be able to give you some more ideas. Brad Traylor
I am attending a wedding in Asheville, NC next weekend and am trying to make the best of it. Can anyone recommend a trout stream in the area? JK
Good places are the Davidson River at the junction of 280 & 276 in Brevard and the North Mills River off of 280 at the town (?) of Mills River. Call the Hunter Banks Co. (Asheville fly shop) at 704-252-3005 for up to the minute fishing info. Also a great shop to visit as it is as good as any in North America bar none.
The river is the Davidson. Sorry I could not think of it earlier. There are plenty of good rivers in the area but since you are not familiar with the area this is probably the best one. Good Luck
About twnety minutes from Asheville is the Pisgah National Forest outside of Brevard. I have fished there a few times but the name of the river escapes me. A muddler minnow works well. There is an Orvis store in Asheville that may be able to give you some more ideas. Brad Traylor
The name of the river is Davidson. It has Fly Fishing only stretches and a fish hatchery upstream. Ken Barry Ken Barry
About twnety minutes from Asheville is the Pisgah National Forest outside of Brevard. I have fished there a few times but the name of the river escapes me. A muddler minnow works well. There is an Orvis store in Asheville that may be able to give you some more ideas. Brad Traylor
The river you mention sounds like the Davidson River and the Orvis shop is Hunter-Banks. Sorry but I don’t have the number.
Asheville Orvis Shop is Hunter-Banks. Nice folks, worth a call and a visit. 1-800-227-6732.
Asheville Orvis Shop is Hunter-Banks. Nice folks, worth a call and a visit. 1-800-227-6732.
For your future information and planning pleasure, the Hunter Banks Co. in Asheville, NC sells Orvis fishing gear, but is NOT an Orivs only shop. They also carry G. Loomis, Sage, Scott, Winston, Powell, Cortland, 3M, Reddington, Diamondback, Ross, Lamson, FinNor, Able, Islander, Valentine, STS, Pate, Tibor, Barbour, Filson, Umpqua, 10X, Climax, Wheatley to name a few. Definitely worth checking out.
I am attending a wedding in Asheville, NC next weekend and am trying to make the best of it. Can anyone recommend a trout stream in the area? JK
There is an Orvis store in Asheville that can give you some suggestions. There is fishing in the Smokey Mts Natl Park and on a TU maintained stream south of Asheville. There are beautiful streams in the park, with few fish or small brookies, and some bigger streams with respectable fishing (Oconaluftee). Overall, you’ll be enjoying the scenery as much as the fishing. Tom Large