And then, if you’re up to it, note the material preceding the quote that begins "I think its extremely bad form…". That’s "it’s," not "its." "It’s" is a contraction of "it is." That’s what I meant and that’s what I wrote. I didn’t intend the possessive "its." Most well educated native speakers know the difference. If you’re going to quote me, please quote me correctly, including standard punctuation as it apppears in the original material. If I get it wrong then please feel free to correct me, with an appropriate "[sic]" notation. 
Whatta pputz. Wolfgang
That’s a great idea, George. This could be fun. I’m thinking of a series of stories describing in excruciating detail every cast, every stream pocket, and every one of the gourmet meals we enjoyed in four days. :^) By the way, most of our fish were considerably larger than the fish I described out of that particular pool. If merely catching large fish was the objective we would have fished elsewhere. Bob
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God, people?! How much milage can you milk out of a 3 inch fish conclave? One more post and you gents can apply to the Guiness clan. GG George, if you have nothing nice to say about the Eastern ‘Claves, then BLOW ME!
Come now (heh heh!). I’ve caught plenty of 3" fish out west too…..
God, people?! How much milage can you milk out of a 3 inch fish conclave? One more post and you gents can apply to the Guiness clan. GG George, if you have nothing nice to say about the Eastern ‘Claves, then BLOW ME!
I think it’s extremely bad form for someone from the West to bad-mouth Eastern Claves. And vice versa.
rw writes: I think it’s extremely bad form for someone from the West to bad-mouth Eastern Claves. And vice versa.
Yep. Mainly because you get your litotes in a bunch.
rw writes: I think it’s extremely bad form for someone from the West to bad-mouth Eastern Claves. And vice versa. Yep. Mainly because you get your litotes in a bunch.
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I think it’s extremely bad form for someone from the West to bad-mouth Eastern Claves. And vice versa.
I didn’t say anything about ‘claves. I just told cranky old fart out West to …..you know. Op
rw writes: I think it’s extremely bad form for someone from the West to bad-mouth Eastern Claves. And vice versa. Yep. Mainly because you get your litotes in a bunch.
OK, Dave. You seem to think it’s just fine for an Easterner to bad-mouth Western Claves. Go at it.
rw writes: rw writes: I think it’s extremely bad form for someone from the West to bad-mouth Eastern Claves. And vice versa. Yep. Mainly because you get your litotes in a bunch. OK, Dave. You seem to think it’s just fine for an Easterner to bad-mouth Western Claves. Go at it.
Where did I say that, rw? Never said it. You continue to put words in my mouth. Oh, I get it. It’s a figure of speech and a form of rhetoric called "lies." Look it up.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – rw writes: rw writes: I think it’s extremely bad form for someone from the West to bad-mouth Eastern Claves. And vice versa. Yep. Mainly because you get your litotes in a bunch. OK, Dave. You seem to think it’s just fine for an Easterner to bad-mouth Western Claves. Go at it. Where did I say that, rw? Never said it. You continue to put words in my mouth. Oh, I get it. It’s a figure of speech and a form of rhetoric called "lies." Look it up.
Dave, you need to go back and reread what you wrote. Willi
rw writes: OK, Dave. You seem to think it’s just fine for an Easterner to bad-mouth Western Claves. Go at it. Where did I say that, rw? Never said it. You continue to put words in my mouth. Oh, I get it. It’s a figure of speech and a form of rhetoric called "lies." Look it up.
You were (Must I say it?) whining that the Western Claves are not up to the camadraderie standards of the Eastern Claves. That came at a considerable surprise to me, and I suspect also to the several close friends I’ve made at the Western Claves. Before you get all teary-eyed about not having been able to fish with Warren at HF, let me remind you, once again, that Warren piloted the Gink boat, in which you wouldn’t have been caught dead.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – rw writes: rw writes: I think it’s extremely bad form for someone from the West to bad-mouth Eastern Claves. And vice versa. Yep. Mainly because you get your litotes in a bunch. OK, Dave. You seem to think it’s just fine for an Easterner to bad-mouth Western Claves. Go at it. Where did I say that, rw? Never said it. You continue to put words in my mouth. Oh, I get it. It’s a figure of speech and a form of rhetoric called "lies." Look it up. Dave, you need to go back and reread what you wrote. Willi
Read back up four posts before yours in the quoted material and see if you can figure out who decided the shit needed to be stirred one more time. If you do it right, there will be no surprise. And then, if you’re up to it, note the material preceding the quote that begins "I think its extremely bad form…". Well damn, it looks for all the world like a continuation of a long running tete a tete, don’t it? But, if you take the time (and you can figure it out) you may also note that Stevie’s typical shithead comment did NOT come in response to anything Dave said (as he deliberately implied by his abuse of usenet convention), but instead followed a comment by Mark. THEN, if you’re head hasn’t started throbbing too badly, you might want to follow what goes on here day in and day out, in which case you will possibly discover that there is a pattern here. Care to guess? Wolfgang
you might want to follow what goes on here day in and day out, in which case you will possibly discover that there is a pattern here. Care to guess?
That RW puts a bug up your butt and you jump on anything RW says? Willi
you might want to follow what goes on here day in and day out, in which case you will possibly discover that there is a pattern here. Care to guess? That RW puts a bug up your butt and you jump on anything RW says?
Bingo!
And then, if you’re up to it, note the material preceding the quote that begins "I think its extremely bad form…".
That’s "it’s," not "its." "It’s" is a contraction of "it is." That’s what I meant and that’s what I wrote. I didn’t intend the possessive "its." Most well educated native speakers know the difference. If you’re going to quote me, please quote me correctly, including standard punctuation as it apppears in the original material. If I get it wrong then please feel free to correct me, with an appropriate "[sic]" notation.
You were (Must I say it?) whining that the Western Claves are not up to the camadraderie standards of the Eastern Claves. That came at a considerable surprise to me, and I suspect also to the several close friends I’ve made at the Western Claves. Before you get all teary-eyed about not having been able to fish with Warren at HF, let me remind you, once again, that Warren piloted the Gink boat, in which you wouldn’t have been caught dead.
I have to admit with pride R.W. that you certainly are a talented fly fisherman catching more fish than anyone. Each day, you were "the man". I had a lot of fun with you and wish to mention the Henry’s Fork Western Conclave was well worth the effort. It was a pleasure fishing with you r.w. Everyone should know Warren and you taught me how to fish a dropper with a bobber (WHOOPS! I mean) "indicator" which is something I’ve never done before. However; now that we are home chasing Steelhead and other "critters of the deep" I’m back to the single nymphing with no indicators but the fly line. Incidently, the steelhead fishing this year has been good. Very good, in fact. Warren is an excellent guide. He knows those rivers as well as me and probably better now. Regardless, we have to do this again sometime r.w. Finally, Dave LaCourse? You’re always welcome in the Gink Drift Boat, dead or alive. There was a hatched buried at this Western Conclave and for that alone, I’m thankful. There IS MORE to these get togethers than what meets the eye. I had a great time. That’s for sure. GeorgeG.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You were (Must I say it?) whining that the Western Claves are not up to the camadraderie standards of the Eastern Claves. That came at a considerable surprise to me, and I suspect also to the several close friends I’ve made at the Western Claves. Before you get all teary-eyed about not having been able to fish with Warren at HF, let me remind you, once again, that Warren piloted the Gink boat, in which you wouldn’t have been caught dead. I have to admit with pride R.W. that you certainly are a talented fly fisherman catching more fish than anyone. Each day, you were "the man". I had a lot of fun with you and wish to mention the Henry’s Fork Western Conclave was well worth the effort. It was a pleasure fishing with you r.w. Everyone should know Warren and you taught me how to fish a dropper with a bobber (WHOOPS! I mean) "indicator" which is something I’ve never done before. However; now that we are home chasing Steelhead and other "critters of the deep" I’m back to the single nymphing with no indicators but the fly line. Incidently, the steelhead fishing this year has been good. Very good, in fact. Warren is an excellent guide. He knows those rivers as well as me and probably better now. Regardless, we have to do this again sometime r.w. Finally, Dave LaCourse? You’re always welcome in the Gink Drift Boat, dead or alive. There was a hatched (HATCHET! dang it.) buried at this Western
Conclave and for that – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – alone, I’m thankful. There IS MORE to these get togethers than what meets the eye. I had a great time. That’s for sure. GeorgeG.
I have to admit with pride R.W. that you certainly are a talented fly fisherman catching more fish than anyone. Each day, you were "the man".
That’s total bullshit, but I will tell you one thing from my heart. You showed up at the HF Clave. I didn’t think you would, but you did. Another thing, George, is that you deserve a lot of credit for lending your drift boat to Warren. That was generous. It’s helped him a lot. Now please, George, don’t start acting like an asshole on ROFF. We don’t need it. We have plenty of that.
you might want to follow what goes on here day in and day out, in which case you will possibly discover that there is a pattern here. Care to guess? That RW puts a bug up your butt and you jump on anything RW says?
Hm…..don’t understand?…..or just won’t deal with it? Well, it hardly matters does it? Ta ta. Wolfgang
When last we met our fearsome threesome, they were standing on Owl Creek Bridge – oops, make that bridge no. 2 across Hazel Creek. Wolfie was doing his chimney routine and both Messrs. Miller and Siebeneich had discovered that the only person with drinking water was your obedient servant. I generously gave them a full Platypus bag and they drank copiously of its contents. Neither of them asked why I didn’t drink any of the same stuff and they didn’t say anything about its taste. Nevertheless, we continued the march up to the Sawdust Pile campground beyond the third bridge where we stopped again. I reconnoitered the stream for a few minutes and came back to see Jeffie and Wolfie talking to a girl. Aha! The pulchritudinous Lana, thought I, as I walked over to make her acquaintance. Of course, upon seeing me she quickly felt the need to retrace her steps back downstream. Obviously a girl of great self-discipline. We continued on to the Bone Valley campsite about 5.7 miles from the lake. There we established the Bone Valley Villa that we would use for the next two nights. We set up the camp. Miller had a one-man tent, and Wolfgang and I shared Wolfgang’s palatial abode. Then each of us went different directions – Jeffie making his way upstream on Hazel Creek, Wolfie headed downstream to work his way back up Hazel, while I began working my way up Bone Valley Creek. Caught a couple of small parr-marked rainbows out of one pool but nothing larger than about three inches. Wolfie met me a little ways up stream. He had a lot more success than I was having, and it was interesting just watching him cast. We fished a couple of hundred yards up Bone Valley before returning to the Villa in time for cocktails before dinner. More to come . . . — http://rwpatton.home.netcom.com/
God, people?! How much milage can you milk out of a 3 inch fish conclave? One more post and you gents can apply to the Guiness clan. GG
God, people?! How much milage can you milk out of a 3 inch fish conclave? One more post and you gents can apply to the Guiness clan. GG
George, if you have nothing nice to say about the Eastern ‘Claves, then BLOW ME! Op
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When last we met our fearsome threesome, they were standing on Owl Creek Bridge – oops, make that bridge no. 2 across Hazel Creek. Wolfie was doing his chimney routine and both Messrs. Miller and Siebeneich had discovered that the only person with drinking water was your obedient servant. I generously gave them a full Platypus bag and they drank copiously of its contents. Neither of them asked why I didn’t drink any of the same stuff and they didn’t say anything about its taste. Nevertheless, we continued the march up to the Sawdust Pile campground beyond the third bridge where we stopped again. I reconnoitered the stream for a few minutes and came back to see Jeffie and Wolfie talking to a girl. Aha! The pulchritudinous Lana, thought I, as I walked over to make her acquaintance. Of course, upon seeing me she quickly felt the need to retrace her steps back downstream. Obviously a girl of great self-discipline. We continued on to the Bone Valley campsite about 5.7 miles from the lake. There we established the Bone Valley Villa that we would use for the next two nights. We set up the camp. Miller had a one-man tent, and Wolfgang and I shared Wolfgang’s palatial abode. Then each of us went different directions – Jeffie making his way upstream on Hazel Creek, Wolfie headed downstream to work his way back up Hazel, while I began working my way up Bone Valley Creek. Caught a couple of small parr-marked rainbows out of one pool but nothing larger than about three inches. Wolfie met me a little ways up stream. He had a lot more success than I was having, and it was interesting just watching him cast. We fished a couple of hundred yards up Bone Valley before returning to the Villa in time for cocktails before dinner. More to come . . .
Hm…….well Bob, I think I still like my version better for raw excitement and suspense…….but I’ll grant you’ve got the edge in the verifiable historical detail department. Carry on. Wolfgang who reserves the right to add color commentary from time to time.
"Wolfgang Siebeneich" wrote Hm…….well Bob, I think I still like my version better for raw excitement and suspense…….but I’ll grant you’ve got the edge in the verifiable historical detail department. Carry on. Wolfgang who reserves the right to add color commentary from time to time.
Damn. If I’d known I was committing "verifiable historical detail" I’d have thought twice. After all, the real sense of the trip is not in the verifiable historical detail. It’s the wisps of vapor drifting herpetologically – yes, dammit, herpetologically – through the trees. Bob
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Wolfgang Siebeneich" wrote Hm…….well Bob, I think I still like my version better for raw excitement and suspense…….but I’ll grant you’ve got the edge in the verifiable historical detail department. Carry on. Wolfgang who reserves the right to add color commentary from time to time. Damn. If I’d known I was committing "verifiable historical detail" I’d have thought twice. After all, the real sense of the trip is not in the verifiable historical detail. It’s the wisps of vapor drifting herpetologically – yes, dammit, herpetologically – through the trees. Bob
Yes……but…..still, tis the information age and historians as yet will merely be another turgid footnote. Wolfgang thus is it ever for those who serve the muse…….lana…….where art thou? :(
Hello to all. I subscribed to this NG two or so weeks ago and want to ask a question as I’m not sure if it’s OK. I’ve seen some mixed responses to similar threads so I figured I better ask first. Q – is it OK to list a rod for sale? Seems like a great NG with plenty of knowledgeable participants. I can certainly learn allot here as I’m fairly new to the sport (about 3 years actively flyfishing). I spend 80% of my flyfishing time on 2-3 rivers (the size of which would make most folks outside of NJ call them streams) in northwestern NJ. The other 20% on lakes and ponds with my 4 yr. old son and 3yr old daughter and occasionally a trip up to the Beaverkill or Willowomac with a friend who introduced my to this great sport. Well, that’s it, don’t want to overdo the intro (most likely already did though). Regards to all. Natty
got dreadlocks? john
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello to all. I subscribed to this NG two or so weeks ago and want to ask a question as I’m not sure if it’s OK. I’ve seen some mixed responses to similar threads so I figured I better ask first. Q – is it OK to list a rod for sale? Seems like a great NG with plenty of knowledgeable participants. I can certainly learn allot here as I’m fairly new to the sport (about 3 years actively flyfishing). I spend 80% of my flyfishing time on 2-3 rivers (the size of which would make most folks outside of NJ call them streams) in northwestern NJ. The other 20% on lakes and ponds with my 4 yr. old son and 3yr old daughter and occasionally a trip up to the Beaverkill or Willowomac with a friend who introduced my to this great sport. Well, that’s it, don’t want to overdo the intro (most likely already did though). Regards to all. Natty
First of all, your name rox. Q – is it OK to list a rod for sale?
If you start the title with "FS" or "For Sale" and only put it up once you should be fine. If it is relatively rare or valuable, yet priced ridiculously low out of ignorance, just email me first with the info and I’ll tell you if you should post it here…. I can certainly learn allot here as I’m fairly new to the sport (about 3 years actively flyfishing). I spend 80% of my flyfishing time on 2-3 rivers (the size of which would make most folks outside of NJ call them streams) in northwestern NJ. The other 20% on lakes and ponds with my 4 yr. old son and 3yr old daughter and occasionally a trip up to the Beaverkill or Willowomac with a friend who introduced my to this great sport.
Ummm, I was told there would be no math…. Regards, Jeff
Hello to all. I subscribed to this NG two or so weeks ago and want to ask a question as I’m not sure if it’s OK. I’ve seen some mixed responses to similar threads so I figured I better ask first. Q – is it OK to list a rod for sale?
although no one would dare speak for the whole of this bunch of anarchists and nut cases, i will hazard the opinion that a few non-commercial offers of sale would not be considered bad form, even by fortenberry. wayno
Thx for the compliment, tip and offer….nothing rare or extraordinary though. Will follow your advice. Thx again :-) Natty
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – First of all, your name rox. Q – is it OK to list a rod for sale? If you start the title with "FS" or "For Sale" and only put it up once you should be fine. If it is relatively rare or valuable, yet priced ridiculously low out of ignorance, just email me first with the info and I’ll tell you if you should post it here…. I can certainly learn allot here as I’m fairly new to the sport (about 3 years actively flyfishing). I spend 80% of my flyfishing time on 2-3 rivers (the size of which would make most folks outside of NJ call them streams) in northwestern NJ. The other 20% on lakes and ponds with my 4 yr. old son and 3yr old daughter and occasionally a trip up to the Beaverkill or Willowomac with a friend who introduced my to this great sport. Ummm, I was told there would be no math…. Regards, Jeff
LOL…don’t I wish! More like razor stubble. Natty
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<snip….mainly because somebody shoulda done it to Cooper a long, long time ago Near as I can figure it Hawkeye you must be somewhere on the wrong side of about 220 by now. Gettin a bit long in the tooth for fly fishing…or just about anything else for that matter. How’s about I just send you my address and I’ll take all that stuff off your hands? Meanwhile, welcome to ROFF and pay no mind to the bitey things in here……ain’t none of it real. Wolfgang who WOULD have written a treatise on "Fennimore Cooper’s Literary Offenses" if that hack Clemens hadn’t beat me to it!
Welcome to ROFF. One off posts advertising private gear for sale are generally accepted without demur. Although you may be offered KY jelly from some participants, usually with explicit instructions ! Don
______ The prettiest Western Dry Fly in all the world. I don’t know about Eastern opinions on this but I suppose it would have to be the Light Cahill or Hendrickson? I love them all, really. I love dry flies, period. I wish some of you would start submitting your signature fly to our "Flies of the World" web site listed below. See Mike Connor’s examples. Don’t any of you eastern boys know how to tie a dry fly for christ sake? You guys have only one good fly tier their, I think and his name is George Harvey. I thought he taught fly tying out that way in Pennsylvania and about? You DO know what a dry fly is in North Carolina now, don’t you boys? They sure don’t, in Arkansas. ; ) George *twitch —
Despite five years of closure in the commercial net fishery in Newfoundland, initial returns to most rivers have been very dissapointing. Fishway counts are running at 33% of last years on average and fishing generally poor on the island. Water levels are also falling and temperatures rising which does not bode well either. Explanations abound with candidates ranging from ‘mother nature’ her/himself (cold ocean temperatures, etc.) to more usual ‘whipping creatures’ such as seals, first nation fisheries and/or legitimate commercial fishers pursuing other species. At the same time, salmon fishing is beginning to become more epxensive. The Gander River in central Newfoundland has just institute a special $20 fee to fish it alone (with another $20 if you wish to partake of a potential Fall fishery for one month). Other rivers are rumoured to follow suit. I might not mind if there were a few fish!! Recent trip to the Gander River suggested to me that there are fewer fish in the river now than when the commercial fishery were operating. Any ideas as to what is going on? ’hostile marine conditions just doesn’t seem to cut it having heard virutally every fishery downturn around here attriubted to it for the last five years. Larry Felt, St. John’s, Newfoundland
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I need some help here. My 9 yr old son wants to learn to fly fish and<edit go with me when I’m out. <edit <<<AL BT wrote Take a good look at the rod. Your rod is probably an 8 or 9 foot rod. You might consider a shorter rod for your son like a 7 or 7 1/2 foot. Your local fly shop should be able to help. Go there and try a few rods and get a couple of pointers from a resident expert. It could be time well spent. Good luck & … — Tight Lines ….. Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Catalog,Tips & Tricks, Fishing Reports, & NeverSink at: http://www.btsflyfishing.com
Heed Al’s Advice he always has good insightful obsevations and ideas. I have an 8 year old who also loves to fish. He’s been fishing since he was 3 with spincasting gear. This year I showed him how to roll cast and he did well. He even could false cast about 15 feet. Start off slow, he will pick it up just like riding a bike, plaing baseball and all the other great things boys do. Most of us learned by roll casting first so maybe he needs to start there. Sounds like you have a great kid. There should be more Dads like us. If Ido say so myself! Tight Lines:
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Take a good look at the rod. Your rod is probably an 8 or 9 foot rod. You might consider a shorter rod for your son like a 7 or 7 1/2 foot.
I disagree…he’ll only have to work harder to get the same distance… The longer rod will give him a lot of advantages in the ‘long’ run and should not be appreciably more heavy or unwieldy. In fact the longer rod might just keeping him from hooking his eyeball… — TimW Halfordian Golfer
I need some help here. My 9 yr old son wants to learn to fly fish and go with me when I’m out. I myself have just finished a course and am beginning to feel comfortable casting. Not to be unkind but if, as you say, you are only now getting comfortable with casting, perhaps you need to get whoever taught you to work with your son. There is a big difference between doing and teaching, and it is another step yet to be able to diagnose a casting stroke and adjust it to be more effective within the capabilities and limits of any individual.
He’s right, you’ll BOTH learn faster if you go for lessons together. It really helps a learner to see an instructor working with someone else, and he’ll be able to spot if the error recurs on the water – and bring the lesson back to mind. Next, video each other casting. It’s amazing how many of your own faults you’ll see and rectify if you watch a video. You don’t have to let the rest of the family see the result. Then compete with each other – on equal terms (sort of, you put up the prizes, he wins most of ‘em; in family terms this IS equal). Don’t compete for distance, it wouldn’t be fair and it’s of little use in any case. Compete for accuracy, you are going ‘target casting’ Start with a hula-hoop
A Reminder of How Treacherous in Wading Can Be <snip Maybe this story of my carelessness and close call will make others more aware of the ever present possibiliy of a lethal surprise. And particularly aware of the prison of waterfilled waders. You can’t jump. or do much of anythimg.
Glad you survived to tell the story. As for me, been there, done that! Not in neoprene waders either – old heavy rubber ones with no belt. And it was dark to boot. Ah the thoughts you have. -Burton — 2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR
A Reminder of How Treacherous in Wading Can Be <snip Maybe this story of my carelessness and close call will make others more aware of the ever present possibiliy of a lethal surprise. And particularly aware of the prison of waterfilled waders. You can’t jump. or do much of anythimg.
Glad you survived to tell the story. As for me, been there, done that! Not in neoprene waders either – old heavy rubber ones with no belt. And it was dark to boot. Ah the thought you have. -Burton — 2330 NW Hummingbird Corvallis, OR
A Reminder of How Treacherous in Wading Can Be I was wading alone in knee deep water in upper Lake Taneycomo (the White River), Missouri last Saturday fly fishing for Rainbow.. The third one I caught seemed to large to get in without a net, so I was nursing it to shore. When I got within about ten feet of the shoreline I quit looking down, and that’s the last thing I remember real clearly. I was immdeiately gulpimg water, ,couldnt see, and couldn’t get my head above water by thrashing and dog paddling. I must have thrashed for a minute or so, because I got to where I thought I’,ve got to give up because I can’t hold my breath any longer. Then I realized if I took a breath it would be my last. I had no idea of my location or orientation by the, so I quit movng, descended to the bottom and kicked/crawled in whatevr direction I was pointed. The ground seemed to be rising in front of me, so I gave another lunge or two, stood up and gasped for air.all at once. I got more air than wter, and after a bounce or two had mu head above water. I got a few more feet and cokllapsed in shallow water, breathing very rapidly and shallow. I still wasn’t sure I was out of trouble, but in 15- 10 minutes my breathing was about normal. I had to walk 1/4 mile to get my gear ang go home (still no one around.) I couldn’t walk on the shore because my boots were nearly full of watr, and I couldn’w walk without them. So I waded back, collapsed again down there for 1/2 hour, then slowly got up the hill and home. While wading back I found my fly rod floating, with the trout still attached When I got hom my blood pressure was 180/120. But 24 hours later my only ailments were a bitten tongue, some coughimg and general soreness. I had on chest waders and a belt, but no flotation equipment. I’m not a swimmer, but have always been able to stay afloat in a pool. I think the wader probably made the difference betwen getting out and not, because my waders only half filled with water.belt. I recovered quickly, got a fishing vest/life jacket and went back the next day to checkout the hole I stepped in. It is in Lake Taneycomo, about three hundred yards east of the 21 mile marker (for any local fisherman), and on the downstream side of a very large tree stump. It apperas to be about eight feet deep at the very lowest lake level (701ft) , and roughly 8X8 square, with pretty abropt entry stepoff. Maybe this story of my carelessness and close call will make others more aware of the ever present possibiliy of a lethal surprise. And particularly aware of the prison of waterfilled waders. You can’t jump. or do much of anythimg.
Has anyone had any experience with the Loomis GL-3 series of rods? I’m interested in their 9 foot, 9 or 10 wt. I really can’t afford a GL-X or a Sage RPL-X, so I am considering the GL-3. I plan to use the rod for salt-water surf fishing for stripers on Cape Cod and Plum Island. I would like to use the Teeny TS-350 line for getting down deep and the Wulf SWT 10wt intermediate lines. I just want to make sure that the GL-3 can handle these lines without getting overloaded or even worse breaking the tip. Any thoughts? Thanks, don
I bought a GL-3 9 foot 4 weight and am very happy with it. I cast it and a Sage discovery and the GL-3 put out far more line thatn the SAGE noodle. Be sure to practice some casts with the GL-3 in that heavier weight, but the 4 weight is a pleasure to fish with. Trey Monroe
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone had any experience with the Loomis GL-3 series of rods? I’m interested in their 9 foot, 9 or 10 wt. I really can’t afford a GL-X or a Sage RPL-X, so I am considering the GL-3. I plan to use the rod for salt-water surf fishing for stripers on Cape Cod and Plum Island. I would like to use the Teeny TS-350 line for getting down deep and the Wulf SWT 10wt intermediate lines. I just want to make sure that the GL-3 can handle these lines without getting overloaded or even worse breaking the tip. Any thoughts? Thanks, don Hi Don:
My son’s 3rd rod was a 8 1/2 foot GL3 for a 5 wt line. That was a very good rod for the price. In fact I borrowed it when I could. More of a softer action rod and it loads far easier than the sage rods. I’m not in love with the ultra stiff rods so I do favor rods like the GL3. Best advice–go into a fly shop and test cast it. Or maybe some club or guide might have one you can borrow for a few hours. I have given up buying gear straight out of catalogs or magazine ads. Best luck fishing!!!!
Has anyone had any experience with the Loomis GL-3 series of rods? I’m interested in their 9 foot, 9 or 10 wt. I really can’t afford a GL-X or a Sage RPL-X, so I am considering the GL-3. I plan to use the rod for salt-water surf fishing for stripers on Cape Cod and Plum Island. I would like to use the Teeny TS-350 line for getting down deep and the Wulf SWT 10wt intermediate lines. I just want to make sure that the GL-3 can handle these lines without getting overloaded or even worse breaking the tip. Any thoughts? Thanks, don
I haven’t used a Loomis fly rod, but have extensively used Loomis casting rods in grades IM-6, IMX and GL-3. I can say that the GL-3 rods are very strong and light. They are, in my opinion, not very far behind the IMXs, if that. I wouldn’t hesitate to try out the GL-3. — Hugh Scott Albuquerque, NM
Has anyone had any experience with the Loomis GL-3 series of rods? I’m interested in their 9 foot, 9 or 10 wt. I really can’t afford a GL-X or a Sage RPL-X, so I am considering the GL-3. I plan to use the rod for salt-water surf fishing for stripers on Cape Cod and Plum Island. I would like to use the Teeny TS-350 line for getting down deep and the Wulf SWT 10wt intermediate lines. I just want to make sure that the GL-3 can handle these lines without getting overloaded or even worse breaking the tip. Any thoughts? Thanks, don
The G.Loomis GL3 series competes with the Sage DS series. These rods are in the $200+ range and are great values. They come in 9′ #9 line and 9′ #10 line in both companies. I would try to cast them both. We sell more Sage because they are a little lower in price and have an unconditional lifetime warranty. G.Loomis is not offering the unconditional warranty yet. If you liked the action of the Loomis better it should not make much difference. William Kiene Kiene’s Fly Shop Sacramento,CA,USA
The G.Loomis GL3 series competes with the Sage DS series. These rods are in the $200+ range and are great values. They come in 9′ #9 line and 9′ #10 line in both companies. I would try to cast them both. We sell more Sage because they are a little lower in price and have an unconditional lifetime warranty. G.Loomis is not offering the unconditional warranty yet. If you liked the action of the Loomis better it should not make much difference.
The Loomis competes with the Sage DS in price only. IMHO, the GL#, at least in trout sizes, is a far better rod than anything else in the price range. I have cast the 9 weight, and it is a little slow for my liking, but still better than Reddington and others in the price range. Just my $0.02.
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I’ve been using the 9′9wt GL-3 for two seasons now and reach for it first more often than the Sage and Orvis rods I own. The GL-3 is lighter than anything you will try out and will load more quickly than most other comparable rods. I use mine for striped bass and bluefish angling in saltponds, backbays and estuaries. I prefer the Stiffer rods for open surf fishing, though, due to their greater ability to cope with headwinds often encountered in that environment. I’ve had two GL-3 rods break on me so far and G.Loomis replaced the rods no questions asked (they even accomodated a rush replacement to help me keep my place on a charter I’d scheduled not long after the rod had broken). I believe they DO honor an unconditional warranty on the GL-3, but you should ask your flyshop or call G.Loomis to confirm for yourself. The first one that broke suffered a fractured male ferrule as I attempted a power cast into a 15mph headwind (my fault) and the second was a snap of the upper section 18" from the tiptop guide as I landed a 20" striper (their fault). In all fareness, the blank could have had cracks from being hit with a 2/0 clouser during a poorly executed cast, but they didn’t give me the third degree; they just replaced the rod. I still think you should try out the rods and also take a look at the St.Croix rods. They also give you alot for the money and have a warrantee, but they tend to be heavier than the Loomis or Sage rods. Again, try for yourself. Dont forget to try the Kennedy Fisher!!! Good Luck, Jose
The show is scheduled for September 11-14. In years past, Organizers, Etc. (800 283-2754) have helped attendees with travel and lodging reservations. You might give them a call for details.
Hello Simon: Contact the staff of the International Fly Tackle Dealer Show at: PO Box 370 Camden, ME 04843 Clay
I am very keen to attend the Denver Fly Fishing Trade Show in September. Could someone please furnish me with details.
The organization behind the promotion of this show is Fly Rod & Reel Magazine. Their address is: Fly Rod & Reel PO Box 370 Camden, Maine 04843 You can also send E-Mail from their home page at: http://flyfishers.com/fly-rod-reel.html Regards, Trent P Roberson Rx F Fish "For Your Good Health, Fly Fish" URL=http://www.xnet.com/~rxffish
I am very keen to attend the Denver Fly Fishing Trade Show in September. Could someone please furnish me with details.
You can write Fly Tackle Dealer Magazine at Box 370 Camden, Maine 04843. You can probably e-mail Fly Rod and Reel (same group) through their web site (sorry, don’t know the Domain Name). -Ralph Ralph Cutter, California School of Flyfishing. http://www.flyline.com
Does any one have any info on landlock flies?techniques they would like to share It would be greatly apreciated. Adam Ford
(Adam Ford) writes: Does any one have any info on landlock flies?techniques they would like to share It would be greatly apreciated.
Standards: 1–streamers that imitate smelt, in rivers in spring (when smelt spawn) and trolling in lakes all year, 2–small Muddlers in white water, 3–matching the hatch of dries or nymphs, when trout-like feeding can be observed, 4–big nymphs in deep pockets (Charles Brooks style). — | Donald Phillipson, 4180 Boundary Rd., Carlsbad | | Springs, Ont., Canada K0A 1K0; tel: (613) 822-0734 | | "What I’ve always liked about science is its independence from | | authority"–Ontario Science Centre (name on file) 10 July 1981 |
Adam, Joe Jack who lives here in Burke VA introduced to me to spring fishing for Landlocks in Maine at Wheaton’s Lodge on East Grand Lake (Canadian Border). We fished with "tandem" streamer flies. These are large streamers with a second trailing hook to get the ones who "short strike" the fly. He also ties single hook versions for the rivers. The tandem flies are "trolled" from a canoe with your fly rod and about half of your fly line out the back of the canoe. He sells flies whoesale and retail. Contact me separately for his phone number. Wheaton’s Lodge was great. I had my own cabin with 3/4 bath, wood stove and 3 home cooked meals a day for $75/day. Guides are $115/day for 2 fisherman. Boat and motor can be rented for $35/day. I can’t wait to go back. Bill A.
This past summer I did some trolling with flies for landlocked salmon in Maine in July. We trolled with lead core lines to get down 20+ feet. I used and old bamboo bait rod and antique pflueger summit bait reel. You don’t get as good a fight with the lead core but you can still get down to the big ones in the lakes with flies. We used tube flies tied on copper tubes. These were new to me but I think they’re really cool. We tied standard traditional streamer patterns on them and strung them on a short shock tippet attached to a small treble hook. Use a plastic tube (aquarium tubing) to make a releasable connector at rear of fly tube. I tied a few strands of silver flashabou and some white marabou on the treble hooks. Deadly! My buddy makes his tube flies on heavier copper conduit tube, about 3/8" diameter and permanently attaches the treble with spring steel wire running through the tube, truly lures, definitely not fly fishing be careful in special regulation areas. Normally I stick with the real traditional patterns. A great reference book is Trolling Flies for Trout and Salmon by Dick Stewart and Bob Leeman distributed by the Stephen Green Press Fessenden Rd. Brattleboro VT 05301 and Universal Vise Corp16 Union Ave, Westfield MA. 01085. E-Mail me if I can tie some flies for you or if you have any questions. Landlocks are the best! Catch and release Dave Wood
On the 19th of this month we will be taking a trip to the Green River in Utah. If anyone’s been there recently could you tell me what the hatches have been like and what times. Also any other suggestions that might help us out. THANKS Fryman P.S. Would someone give me a good definition of what a yuppie is, and why does everyone talk about them.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Path: news.teleport.com!news.reed.edu!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse .ogi.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!ne ws.cs.utah.edu!news.provo.novell.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!news Newsgroups: rec.outdoors.fishing.fly Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: pc18.et.byu.edu On the 19th of this month we will be taking a trip to the Green River in Utah. If anyone’s been there recently could you tell me what the hatches have been like and what times. Also any other suggestions that might help us out. THANKS Fryman P.S. Would someone give me a good definition of what a yuppie is, and why does everyone talk about them.
I was just at the Green in late March. It’s funny but all the hatch charts I found made it look like the BWO’s would be out in March. When I got there (with a healthy selection of my favorite BWO ties) all the locals told me, "yeah, the charts are wrong…" they all claimed that the BWO’s should be out in mid April. So… According to Larry Tullis (hatch chart in RIVER JOURNAL: GREEN RIVER) April shoud have: midges, BWO, Scuds, Redworms, Eggs, Minnows Leeches, & Crane flies. For the midges I’d focus on Griffiths Gnats (20-24), and Brassies (18-20), and WD-40’s (20-22, local tie) – oh yeah, your magnifier… The midges were good to me – numerous 16"-20" fish on 20 Griffiths. anthony
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | | I just saw Sinead Oconner on Letterman and I liked her better without | hair, at least that way you could use your imagination and THINK she MIGHT | be cute. Now that I’ve seen her with hair I know for sure she’s ugly. | | Man, that’s so fucking rude. Who gives a FUCK what you fucking think | of what the performer LOOKS like? Was the performance good? A | resounding "yes" is the answer. So fuck off and go back to the | chauvanistic bozo-zone you came from. (You must be male, because | only a broken chromosomed piece of shit would even bother to | think–and I use that term loosely–this way.) | | Heidi wow /; ; /{__/ `’____ ___ (o) (o } __/ :–’ _ `__ Moo ___(o’o) ( `====’ ! / | /
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chauvanistic bozo-zone you came from. (You must be male, because only a broken chromosomed piece of shit would even bother to think–and I use that term loosely–this way.)
Oooo…a male basher….I really hate it when some two bit cunt assaults me for being male because of the stupidity of one other male…beleive me, there are a lot of stupid females in this world too. -(CJW)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just saw Sinead Oconner on Letterman and I liked her better without hair, at least that way you could use your imagination and THINK she MIGHT be cute. Now that I’ve seen her with hair I know for sure she’s ugly. Man, that’s so fucking rude. Who gives a FUCK what you fucking think of what the performer LOOKS like? Was the performance good? A resounding "yes" is the answer. So fuck off and go back to the chauvanistic bozo-zone you came from. (You must be male, because only a broken chromosomed piece of shit would even bother to think–and I use that term loosely–this way.) Heidi — So what about KEANU REEVES? Choosing one of today’s least able (but
Anyone who’s seen Hush a Bye Baby (film) in which Sinead wears a long wig, knows that she is visually attractive. Do people always swear as much on this newsgroup. Andrew in Belfast.
I just saw Sinead Oconner on Letterman and I liked her better without hair, at least that way you could use your imagination and THINK she MIGHT be cute. Now that I’ve seen her with hair I know for sure she’s ugly.
Man, that’s so fucking rude. Who gives a FUCK what you fucking think of what the performer LOOKS like? Was the performance good? A resounding "yes" is the answer. So fuck off and go back to the chauvanistic bozo-zone you came from. (You must be male, because only a broken chromosomed piece of shit would even bother to think–and I use that term loosely–this way.) Heidi — So what about KEANU REEVES? Choosing one of today’s least able (but
I just saw Sinead Oconner on Letterman and I liked her better without hair, at least that way you could use your imagination and THINK she MIGHT be cute. Now that I’ve seen her with hair I know for sure she’s ugly. Man, that’s so fucking rude. Who gives a FUCK what you fucking think of what the performer LOOKS like? Was the performance good? A resounding "yes" is the answer. So fuck off and go back to the chauvanistic bozo-zone you came from. (You must be male, because only a broken chromosomed piece of shit would even bother to think–and I use that term loosely–this way.) Heidi
I thought she looked great. she put on a good show. I wish dave would have talked to her though. ryan http://www.xmission.com/~ryshaw snowboarding/NIN/flyfishing/The Jeffersons
I just saw Sinead Oconner on Letterman and I liked her better without hair, at least that way you could use your imagination and THINK she MIGHT be cute. Now that I’ve seen her with hair I know for sure she’s ugly.