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In other words, if you’ve made the moral decision to use a nymph, you might as well use all the weight you need to get it where it needs to be.

"the moral decision to use a nymph"??? I always considered it a tactical decision. What is the morality involved here?  Should we get Dr. Laura involved? George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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"the moral decision to use a nymph"??? I always considered it a tactical decision. What is the morality involved here?  Should we get Dr. Laura involved?

Hold on, Forty should be here momentarily… Kevin

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In other words, if you’ve made the moral decision to use a nymph, you might as well use all the weight you need to get it where it needs to be. "the moral decision to use a nymph"??? I always considered it a tactical decision. What is the morality involved here?  Should we get Dr. Laura involved?

Oh fer cryin’ out loud George, why don’t you tip your nymph with a piece of corn while you’re at it?

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… So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted.

That is a red herring.  Is the dynamite weighted or unweighted?

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If it were me Danl, the answer is no.  You will catch fish if you weight your nymphs but what will you use, lead?  Not necessary.  You can use Zinc or copper if you want but there is a downside.  Your nymphs won’t flow along with the current drag free.  This is where 99% of all nymph fishermen mess up.  Trout are selective under water just as much as they are when coming to dry flies.  Drag free drifts is paramount if you’re going to be a savvy and serious nymph fisherman.  It’s difficult enough as it is and those who need to use bobbers while fly fishing is testimony to that fact.   Lead in a size #22 nymph isn’t going to do you any more good than weight inside a size 14 nymph or wet fly.  What you want to always maintain is a natural drift without lead and use nymphs as sparsely dressed as possible.  This is one of the reasons I make my own hand tied leaders because I would rather have weight on the knots above the main tippet and I use as much as is necessary to get the knot where the tippet is attached to the taper section, not the nymph itself.  I use a minimum of 24 inches of nymphing tippet material between the fly and the first knot.  If the weight (I use soft copper wire or zinc) for weight, if needed) and I use Xink on all my nymphs which will put my nymphs right along the same level as my tippet will be.  If your nymph is tumbling and turning and flowing along as naturally as possible, the amount of takes you’re going to get will triple compared to anyone who uses weight dragging nymphs. There is a zone of a foot or less right on the bottom of all rivers that is current free.  This is where resting fish lay as they watch food go drifting by.  As a dry fly rising fish will rise out of the current to take a fly on the surface, nymphing fish often rise from the very bottom to take a nymph passing by in the current.  You do not want your nymph ticking along the bottom as most profess you should be doing.  You want only the first weighted knot to be ticking along the bottom (every once in a while) and not the hook.  The fish that are caught with weighted nymphs are mostly force fed.  What I mean by this is the angler happens to be lucky enough to hit the fish almost right in the face.   I want to catch trout that are actively feeding on nymphs flowing along with the current because these are the fish that will swing left or right a foot or two.  There are feeding stations under water just as there are on the surface for dry fly fishermen. There is a lot more to this than what I have time to write here now, but to answer your question, you don’t need weighted flies as much as you do need more "Drag Free" drifts. George Gehrke Nymphomaniac Fly Fisherman – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Owing to the fact the I lost most of my collection of PT nymphs (to a group of rapscallionous willows, aided and abetted by an army of cattails on steroids and a navy of submerged logs) a couple of weeks ago on the Owens, I need to replenish my supply. At least that’s my excuse for spending hours at the tying bench, busily not doing other chores. So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? Danl That’s the best straight line I can serve up tonight…….

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I generally use weighted nymphs, but I prefer to use bead-heads, when practical, to weight them. Bead-head pheasnat tail nymphs are one of my most productive flies.

Mostly because of the "Apex Flash" on the round globe of the bead, not because of the extra weight which is mostly mute in its ability to influence a fishes’ attention Tim. George Gehrke Nymph maniac Fly Fisherman

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I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted. — Ken Fortenberry

Okay?!  So why do you say and feel like this about nymph fishing Ken?   George Gehrke "interested"

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… So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted. That is a red herring.  Is the dynamite weighted or unweighted?

that, will you please? jesus! my sides hurt . . .

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Seems to me that it really depends on the water you’re fishing. Clearly, an unweighted nymph casts better and makes more elegant presentations,  and a heavy nymph is pretty ugly in the air, but if the water is fast and deep it’s hard to get an unweighted fly down near the bottom. I suppose one solution would be to use a sinking line, but in the small streams that I usually fish I’ve never been able to see much value in using it. And I don’t like having to carry a floating line for dries and a sinking line for nymphs. In other words, if you’ve made the moral decision to use a nymph, you might as well use all the weight you need to get it where it needs to be. — Bob Patton

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Owing to the fact the I lost most of my collection of PT nymphs (to a group of rapscallionous willows, aided and abetted by an army of cattails on steroids and a navy of submerged logs) a couple of weeks ago on the Owens, I need to replenish my supply. At least that’s my excuse for spending hours at the tying bench, busily not doing other chores. So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? Danl That’s the best straight line I can serve up tonight…….

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… So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted.

personally, i like fucking nymphs…… but what the hell ken, whatever floats yer boat <g –waldo

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I like to use a heavily weighted Copper John along with an unweighted nymph, or maybe two. The Copper John takes the place of splitshot, but has fish-catching capability. I still haven’t figured out whether it’s better to put the weighted fly on the top or the bottom. Any opinions on that? — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/

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personally, i like fucking nymphs…… but what the hell ken, whatever floats yer boat <g

Past tense, right Walt ? — Ken Fortenberry

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… So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted. personally, i like fucking nymphs……

Weighted or unweighted?

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Ken Fortenberry wrote… I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted.

Oh you dry fly snob! Joel Axelrad **DFD**

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well, if there is really nothing doing on dries, and I can’t spark some action with soft-hackles, sure, I have some weighted nymphs in my boxes. Mostly I’ll go with bead-heads or in some places weighted stone-fly nymphs. I don’t much like casting heavy flies, nor flies with split-shot, but I’ll do what it takes.  I tend to fish places where I can get by just fine without resorting to heavy stuff. Eugene – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Owing to the fact the I lost most of my collection of PT nymphs (to a group of rapscallionous willows, aided and abetted by an army of cattails on steroids and a navy of submerged logs) a couple of weeks ago on the Owens, I need to replenish my supply. At least that’s my excuse for spending hours at the tying bench, busily not doing other chores. So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? I seldom weight nymphs and I just don’t like the way beadheads look. (I know they catch fish but……) I prefer weight on the leader to weight on the fly in most situations. The only nymphs that I consistant tie with weight are large stoneflies. Willi

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I still haven’t figured out whether it’s better to put the weighted fly on the top or the bottom. Any opinions on that?

I think the unweighted fly "swims" better, more naturally, if it’s on the bottom.  The weighted fly serves the same function as a split shot, but lets the other fly drift more or less freely. JR

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I still haven’t figured out whether it’s better to put the weighted fly on the top or the bottom. Any opinions on that?

I put the weighted fly on top with the unweighted fly on the bottom (point). Just seems to be a logical arrangement, and I have had  success using it. George Adams "From the rockin’ of the cradle to the rollin’ of the hearse, the goin’ up was worth the comin’ down." ___Kris Kristofferson "The Pilgrim/Chapter 33"

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Owing to the fact the I lost most of my collection of PT nymphs (to a group of rapscallionous willows, aided and abetted by an army of cattails on steroids and a navy of submerged logs) a couple of weeks ago on the Owens, I need to replenish my supply. At least that’s my excuse for spending hours at the tying bench, busily not doing other chores. So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs?

I seldom weight nymphs and I just don’t like the way beadheads look. (I know they catch fish but……) I prefer weight on the leader to weight on the fly in most situations. The only nymphs that I consistant tie with weight are large stoneflies. Willi

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… So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted.

I would certainly prefer to use dries all the time, but western tailwaters generally require small(sz 20-26) midge larva patterns.  Over the past few years I would guess that I use nymphs nearly 85% of the time.  This includes dropping a nymph from a dry or using a two nymph rig.     Regarding the use of weighed nymphs.  I have started to stay away from weighted nymphs.  I prefer to use weight directly on the tippet, generally 12 to 18 inches above the point fly.  A tailwater guide in Colorado recently pointed out how weighted nymphs simply don’t float naturally through the water column and he always uses unweighted nymphs.   He also pointed out how BH patterns generally don’t look realistic and more often than not many BH(bead heads) are too big for the hook size.   Especially when dealing with sz 24 midge patterns! For weight, I use that green coated stuff from England.  Can’t think of the name right now…. — remove all x’s for reply email. To worry is folly so let us be jolly.

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    I do indeed tie weighted nymphs.  I use a red thread head on my weighted ones to indicate the difference from non-weighted.  I find arsenic-core lead solder to be a good weighting material as I don’t even have to use a priest, not that I ever would.  I do like the feel of those apache or golden trout flopping around in the creel, so some times I use the unweighted flies with the black-thread or beadheads.     By the way, for all those folk looking for a replacement for Gink, got an old transformer sitting out in the back yard and the liquid in that is great.  Keeps a fly floating forever.  I can ship a quart or two to anyone that needs it.  Might not want to hold your floatant bottle in your teeth, though.     Oh, by the way, for all you pissy C&R folks, I do practice it.  I got a latch on the bottom of the creel that lets me empty that sucker real quick if I see a ranger.  All he’ll find in there is a digital camera and an invite to the Elks Club Fly Tie. Danl,    I’ve gotten away from lead wire sinking nymphs and have found the ease of use of bead heads.  If I need to sink a nymph without a bead, I have found that the split-shot works great. — Frank Reid Reverse email to reply.

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… So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs?

I’d just as soon toss in a stick of dynamite or a gallon of Clorox as to use a fucking nymph, weighted or unweighted. — Ken Fortenberry

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So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? That’s the best straight line I can serve up tonight…….

Keeps the ball rolling anyway. The only weight I’ll add to a PT is a copper beadhead,  a small one (3/32" for #14, 5/64" for #16, nothing on smaller sizes).  I like a slim silhouette on PTs and think wrapping weight on the shank ruins that.   The flies I most often weight (other than winter steelhead flies) are woolly buggers.  I’ll also weight Prince and stonefly nymphs, which I frequently fish together with a smaller unweighted fly on a dropper. JR

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8< . So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs?

yes. –waldo

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I generally use weighted nymphs, but I prefer to use bead-heads, when practical, to weight them. Bead-head pheasnat tail nymphs are one of my most productive flies. Tim Lysyk

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Owing to the fact the I lost most of my collection of PT nymphs (to a group of rapscallionous willows, aided and abetted by an army of cattails on steroids and a navy of submerged logs) a couple of weeks ago on the Owens, I need to replenish my supply. At least that’s my excuse for spending hours at the tying bench, busily not doing other chores. So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? Danl That’s the best straight line I can serve up tonight…….

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Owing to the fact the I lost most of my collection of PT nymphs (to a group of rapscallionous willows, aided and abetted by an army of cattails on steroids and a navy of submerged logs) a couple of weeks ago on the Owens, I need to replenish my supply. At least that’s my excuse for spending hours at the tying bench, busily not doing other chores. So the question is: do you or don’t you tie/use weighted nymphs? Danl That’s the best straight line I can serve up tonight…….

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Could you be more specific on where in B.C. you are going to finish your schooling.   Hi all   I’m currently living in Ontario. And going to   move back to BC to finish some schooling. So now that I have a choice on where to live, I want a place for flyfishing on the weekends. Any requests or comments would be greatly appreciated..                                               thanx

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I request that your residence have an extra room, set aside specifically for ROFFian visitors, you hold a Clave once a year in August, you never marry and you are to never move again! Opie     **Psychic To The Recently Deceased**   Hi all   I’m currently living in Ontario. And going to   move back to BC to finish some schooling. So now that I have a choice on where to live, I want a place for flyfishing on the weekends. Any requests or comments would be greatly appreciated..                                               thanx

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Hi all I’m currently living in Ontario. And going to   move back to BC to finish some schooling. So now that I have a choice on where to live, I want a place for flyfishing on the weekends. Any requests or comments would be greatly appreciated..                                             thanx

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Hello, Does any one have any suggestions for white water rafting or freshwater fishing in the Cairns area? My wife and I will be renting a motorhome for two weeks in may. Also what is the cost and procedures for obtaining a fishing license for a US citizen? Thanks Terry Guerrero

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Terry, There are many options in Cairns for both activities. Most of the whitewater trips are on the Tully River – though others use the south Johnstone River also. The best freshwater fishing is in Lake Tinaroo – mind you that’s not fly fishing, the target fish are barramundi. John Hello, Does any one have any suggestions for white water rafting or freshwater fishing in the Cairns area? My wife and I will be renting a motorhome for two weeks in may. Also what is the cost and procedures for obtaining a fishing license for a US citizen? Thanks Terry Guerrero

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There is also White Water Rafting on the Barron River and there are some multi-day rafting adventures. The most popular one and supposedly the best is the Tully River, it is a full day trip and is being offered by 2 companies, Raging Thunder and R&R. Both are exactly the same price (app. AUD 130,-) and raft exactly the same stretch of river and have lunch at exactly the same spot. Both offer a light meal afterwards, have videos and pictures on sale etc. I have done the trip with both of them and the only real difference I could detect was the "clubhouse" not that one was better than the other but Raging Thunder had a little bit more atmosphere. Most important for your trip are the equipment, appeared to be in good condition at both companies, and the river guides. I had 2 completely different individuals as a guide but both seemed to be very competent. You will find plenty of brochures of both companies once you get to the area, they are also on the internet (somewhere). good luck, Peter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Terry, There are many options in Cairns for both activities. Most of the whitewater trips are on the Tully River – though others use the south Johnstone River also. The best freshwater fishing is in Lake Tinaroo – mind you that’s not fly fishing, the target fish are barramundi. John Hello, Does any one have any suggestions for white water rafting or freshwater fishing in the Cairns area? My wife and I will be renting a motorhome for two weeks in may. Also what is the cost and procedures for obtaining a fishing license for a US citizen? Thanks Terry Guerrero   http://www.newsfeeds.com       The Largest Usenet Servers in the World!

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Hi Terry For White Water Rafting I went with Raging Thunder on their full day Tully River option, talk about fun!!! http://www.ragingthunder.com.au For Fishing I would recommend Fishing the Tropics. They offer river and estuary fishing depending on what you want to do. They are local guides with alot of knowledge on fishing in the Cairns area. http://www.fishingthetropics.com.au Enjoy your stay. Shil – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, Does any one have any suggestions for white water rafting or freshwater fishing in the Cairns area? My wife and I will be renting a motorhome for two weeks in may. Also what is the cost and procedures for obtaining a fishing license for a US citizen? Thanks Terry Guerrero

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Do you recommend the day trip on the Tully River? Is it quite exciting? Last summer we made a rafting day trip on the Zambezi River in Vic Falls Zimbabwe, that was great fun but also quite dangerous. Every raft flipped on this river. Anne Marie

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I clicked the URL and there she was Just shirt & boots & skin & fuzz Mercy me, shall I go blind? the beauteous glow of her behind did make my eyes bulge out of sockets and tightened the fabric about me pockets. Is this the heaven of which Wayno spoke? The reward for being a righteous bloke? Doth her rivers flow with milk and honey? Would she love me if I had no money? Too bad she was but 2 dimensional 72 DPI for screens conventional Alas, so it goes dear friends on ROFF Though perhaps for some you did get off. Torben’s a master of cruel tricks for his JPEG pulled your eager Johnsons. Moishe

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What was that URL again?  Sounds like they have some new info to see errr read there. Warren

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I’ve been looking through USA Today for the past few days during school & noticed Northwest’s advertisements for their new MSP-FBU service and was wondering if anyone knew what type of plane will be used on this run ? DC-10 ? Is there actually the demand for a MSP-FBU flight ? — kev http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/marina/6273/index.html np: something by someone on woxy-97x you can dye your hair, but its the one thing you can change. can’t run away from yourself… -pulp

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I’ve been looking through USA Today for the past few days during school & noticed Northwest’s advertisements for their new MSP-FBU service

Actually it will be MSP to OSL, since Fornebu (FBU) closed last October, and Oslo’s airport is at Gardemoen (sp?) now. and was wondering if anyone knew what type of plane will be used on this run ? DC-10 ?

Yes. Is there actually the demand for a MSP-FBU flight ?

Well, given that the instructions on the pay phones at MSP are also in Norwegian, yes, I think so. This route will also feed Brathens’ hub at OSL for connections to other Scandinavian cities. Northwest flew MSP-FBU in the 70’s and 80’s. -Erik

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I’ve been looking through USA Today for the past few days during school & noticed Northwest’s advertisements for their new MSP-FBU service Actually it will be MSP to OSL, since Fornebu (FBU) closed last October, and Oslo’s airport is at Gardemoen (sp?) now.

Oops. Sorry about that. And is the code for Gardermoen really OSL ? I thought it was GEN. Is there actually the demand for a MSP-FBU flight ? Well, given that the instructions on the pay phones at MSP are also in Norwegian, yes, I think so.

I never knew. Quite fascinating, really. This route will also feed Brathens’ hub at OSL for connections to other Scandinavian cities. Northwest flew MSP-FBU in the 70’s and 80’s.

Why not a MSP-CPH or a MSP-ARN flight instead of a MSP-OSL/GEN flight for connections to other Scandinavian cities ? Is it because of Northwest’s previous experience flying MSP-FBU ? — kev http://www.geocities.com/southbeach/marina/6273/index.html np: something by someone on WOXY-97x. you can dye your hair, but its the one thing you can change. can’t run away from yourself… -pulp

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says… I’ve been looking through USA Today for the past few days during school & noticed Northwest’s advertisements for their new MSP-FBU service Actually it will be MSP to OSL, since Fornebu (FBU) closed last October, and Oslo’s airport is at Gardemoen (sp?) now. Oops. Sorry about that. And is the code for Gardermoen really OSL ? I thought it was GEN.

I would have thought OSL is the city code for Oslo. GEN is or was certainly the airport code for Gardermoen – or maybe they have changed GEN to OSL now that FBU is closed and GEN is a "real" airport? Well, given that the instructions on the pay phones at MSP are also in Norwegian, yes, I think so. I never knew. Quite fascinating, really.

You have to be kidding. MSP? I never heard of any oil, fishing or knitting industry in Minnesota? Northwest flew MSP-FBU in the 70’s and 80’s.

I think they also used to fly ARN-JFK in the 80’s. P-O — Per-Olof Litby Product Mgr, Microsoft Nordic, Box 27, 16493 Kista, Sweden Mobile +46 70 452-2885 Dates in your calendar are closer than they appear.

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Oops. Sorry about that. And is the code for Gardermoen really OSL ? I thought it was GEN

I think it was GEN until FBU was closed, and then became OSL, since it is now Oslo’s one official airport (I am ignoring Torp) Why not a MSP-CPH or a MSP-ARN flight instead of a MSP-OSL/GEN flight for connections to other Scandinavian cities ? Is it because of Northwest’s previous experience flying MSP-FBU ?

Again, I thin it is to hook into Brathen’s system, which is partly owned by NW’s partner KLM. I think that the ORD-CPH and ORD-ARN service that SAS/United offers (and SAS’s control over CPH and ARN) forces "Wings" (NW/Brathens) to OSL. -Erik

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You have to be kidding. MSP? I never heard of any oil, fishing or knitting industry in Minnesota?

You obviously never listen to A Prarie Home Companion on National Public Radio. Quick history:  When the Great Northern and the Northern Pacific were being built, they actively recruited Scandinavians to populate the lands given to them to build the rail lines by the U.S. government (homesteading). Thus, to this day, the prominent heritage of European-Americans who live between Minneapolis and Seattle is Scandinavian (Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Icelandic, and Finn) -Erik -Erik

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Really?  Where?  I lived there for 15 years and don’t ever recall this.

Next time you are at the airport, look in the main hall.: Northwest flew MSP-FBU in the 70’s and 80’s. Yep, and MSP-ARN as well if I recall correctly.

I think it was a MSP-ARN-FBU triangle. -Erik

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Thus, to this day, the prominent heritage of European-Americans who live between Minneapolis and Seattle is Scandinavian (Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Icelandic, and Finn)

There’s a strong majority of people of German/Swiss/Austrian descent in some areas as well, though.  Particularly southern and western Minnesota. —                      Written online using slrn 0.9.5.4!                    The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then.

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Is there actually the demand for a MSP-FBU flight ?

MSP-OSL yes, because there is only one non-stop a day from Oslo to USA and that is with SAS’s 767. Nice with a timesaving alternative. Anders

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I need anything you can dig up, and/or send me on fishing in and around Tucson AZ. I’m going out there on business from 4/22 to 4/29. My address is

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As far as I could tell, there is only one fly shop in Tucson.  That is Tight Lines Fly Fishing, it’s on Grant Road just west of Swan.  I was last there in January on business.  I didn’t get the chance to do any fly fishing around Tucson, but did get the chance to visit the shop.  I think that you’ll have to get out of town about 2 hours before you find any water. Strictly lakes.  You may be able to find some trout.  Check with the shop. I used to live in Tucson and had the most luck at Parker lake (near the border, southeast of Tucson) with spinning gear.  I heard that Pena Blanca Lake was fishing well in January.  It’s almost to Nogales off of I-19.  Good luck.  Kevin

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Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

JE,  If it’s brooktrout (native)..from Boston you’ve got to motor up 6-7hrs into northern Maine.  This is for *consistent* 14-19" takes. Get out the gas card;-) tight_lines, steve d.

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Your talking about the Steeprock River in Manitoba but it may be a way to drive ….. and try 22". You might see another human footprint if you fish it for a month. — — Bob Sheedy Angling Adventures North Lake Fly Fishing On-Line Magazine Home of MASTER ANGLER Fishing Software http://www.articfire.com/arcfire/fishing.htm

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Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

Boy you don’t ask for much, do you <g? Any requests for the weather? Peter G. Aitken         Give me half of the above and I’ll take any and all weather!!! JE

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you want ancovies with that?

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Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

John Plenty of such places in the mountain country of mainland SE Australia and in the high country of Tasmania. But don’t tell anyone else. Cheers Peter

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Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

Go to the Cariboo, near Quesnel, BC.  Drive 3 hours beyond Quesnel, and look for any patch of water. Apply flies.  Catch fish.  Only catch is, Quesnel is a little ways (15hrs) from Seattle, which is a little ways from everywhere else.  The Stellako, west of Prince George, BC, is real good too.  It’s north and west of Quesnel about 4 hours. There will be few anglers.  The no anglers thing, would you mind passin’ what yer smokin’?  Any piece of water that can be driven to that has fish will have other people.  The question is how many.  The places I know that don’t have people, continue to not have people cuz I don’t post their names on the ‘Net.  Sorry, but that’s the way it is.   Hell I just spent a week on a river in Alaska that I had to fly an hour in a bush plane to get to, then float 70 miles down to get to the fish, and was surrounded by people (and bears) the whole time.  Caught some big ass rainbows, however.  On mice, too. — Andrew Brunette Remove "_nospam" in return address to respond

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Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

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Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

Boy you don’t ask for much, do you <g? Any requests for the weather? Peter G. Aitken

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Jon, Live a good life and if you are lucky, in the next life, you might just stumble across such a place.  However, with my luck, half this newsgroup will have proceeded you and the place will have been trashed!  :^) Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

       ahhh sounds like your looking to fish out of your bathtub again, but then the fish are probally bigger in there than the ones you usually catch!;p CG

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Anyone know of a good trout stream where the fish are wild and reasonably large (14-19")?  The thing is, it needs to be public water that I can drive to.  Also, I was hoping someone could suggest one where there will be no other anglers, and where the fish take small dry flies.  They don’t have to be really easy to catch, but I’m hoping they won’t be too leader shy either.  Another thing – I’d like it to be clean, and there should be rough campsites there, clean ones. You know, a fire ring, but without burnt cans and plastic cups and plates in it. No toilet paper in the bushes either.  Any suggestions? JE

This sounds a bit too much like heaven to be comfortable… let me know if you find it -paul

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This is probably more information than most people would like to see, but its part of what I do for a living, and I’ve waded thru the physics of braided leaders, so here goes Current regulations regarding Country of Origin require all imported items to be marked with the country of origin.  This means that at it basic form, an article, described in the terms of the Harmonised Tariff Code Nomenclature, must delclare the country in which it first meets that definition as its origin. In order to change the origin must undergo "substantial transformation" which results in a new article with a new HTN classification.   For example, Steel exported from Canada to Taiwan is Canadian; ball bearings made from that steel are Taiwanese, and when shipped to England and used in the manufacture of a Hardy fly reel, they become part of the reel and now are a product of the UK.   Apparel and textile rules are different, and somewhat more complex.  The percentage of content rules generally apply to Lesser Developed Countries (LDC’s) in which a transformation is deeemed to have taken place if 35% of the value was added in the LDC. NAFTA for Canada and Mexico, rules are slighly different, but generally   the "substantial transformation" principle applies. and as always there are exceptions. jg

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Current regulations regarding Country of Origin require all imported items to be marked with the country of origin.  This means that at it basic form, an article, described in the terms of the Harmonised Tariff Code Nomenclature, must delclare the country in which it first meets that definition as its origin.

Hi J.J. It’s kind of like tying a woolly bugger on a Japanese hook, using Italian thread, American chenille and Chinese hackle/marabou. Thanks for the information. I sure didn’t think the post was too long. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 materials catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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Have fished it many times–was a deadbeat unemployed fella last year and I actually fished it 90 days. Don’t know where you live but before you go make sure you have the water release schedule halfway figured out so as not to ruin your day. Call ahead to the Ozark Angler in Heber Springs. Tell Jeff Hawthorne to tie you up some Red Diablos–the deadliest LRR fly.

Hi How about sharing the fly pattern receipe for the Red Diablo with us.   Thanks. — Tight Lines Al Beatty BT’s Fly Fishing Products Bozeman, MT (97 catalog) http://www.flyshop.com/Expo/Specialty/BTsPdcts/index.html

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- Hello All. I am looking for some info about the Little Red River Where to stay best spots to fish pretty much anything those you who have been there might be able to fill me in on. Thanks in advance Tight Lines Scott

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Have fished it many times–was a deadbeat unemployed fella last year and I actually fished it 90 days. Don’t know where you live but before you go make sure you have the water release schedule halfway figured out so as not to ruin your day. Call ahead to the Ozark Angler in Heber Springs. Tell Jeff Hawthorne to tie you up some Red Diablos–the deadliest LRR fly.

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best?

I fished a bright green egg pattern last weekend and caught a nice 14 inch native Rainbow.  The egg had a little flash on it and very light hackle.  When I tied it on I didn’t really expect much, but then I wasn’t doing much with the regular fare anyway.  The egg pattern pulled the Rainbow out of the depths of a pool. Try it, what the heck!  If the dry flies and usual nymphs aren’t working, try anything!  You never know. Bob, Moss Landing, Ca.

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? I fished a bright green egg pattern last weekend and caught a nice 14 inch native Rainbow.  The egg had a little flash on it and very light hackle.  

Hackle on an egg? I’ve tied a bunch of egg patterns and took the idea behind the "double egg sperm" salmon pattern I’ve seen.  I just tied a single egg in this case but put a couple of wisps of white marabou just in front of the egg.  I gave a handful of these to a friend and he did real well with them on a trip to the Trinity, CA area a couple of years ago.  His buddies were using "standard" egg patterns and they only caught smaller and fewer fish. — John Fereira Isis Distributed Systems – Ithaca, NY

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What’s the difference between Glo-Bugs and Pautzkee’s ? A jar of glowbugs would cost $1,423.87 TimW

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity. It used to be a real secret or just the fact that no one used eggs flies other than during the spawning time, but a small egg fly pattern catches trout ALL year.  Instead of fishing a nymph during the Summer switch to a small, well tied egg fly.  You will find that the "Two Strand" method will tie the smallest fly.  Don’t tell any one that I spilled the beans. This pattern will be successful typically anywhere that fish have been reared in a hatchery in their life span. Although, I have fished some remote streams in Georgia that were filled with stream reared ‘wild’ fish which also take them. Another secret relating to ‘egg’ patterns is to visit your local craft store and purchase a pack of ‘pom poms’ at 60 cents for 50 or so. These come in a variety of sizes with 9 mm being the most likely but I have used and caught some large fish on a size of about .5 inch in diameter. Colors of tan, pink and even a red color are available. The tan being a good color where fish have been fed(all over in Georgia for larger angling). These can be easily tied on the hook of your choice but a smaller hook(14 or 16) is best as fish are less likely to feel the hook before you have a chance of getting a set. Just don’t buy my supply and don’t use them where I’m fishing(it will make me look bad). Regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

Joe, thought about that a while ago. How do you fix the pom-balls on the hook, just superglue?? Thomas

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All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity. It used to be a real secret or just the fact that no one used eggs flies other than during the spawning time, but a small egg fly pattern catches trout ALL year.  Instead of fishing a nymph during the Summer switch to a small, well tied egg fly.  You will find that the "Two Strand" method will tie the smallest fly.  Don’t tell any one that I spilled the beans.

This pattern will be successful typically anywhere that fish have been reared in a hatchery in their life span. Although, I have fished some remote streams in Georgia that were filled with stream reared ‘wild’ fish which also take them. Another secret relating to ‘egg’ patterns is to visit your local craft store and purchase a pack of ‘pom poms’ at 60 cents for 50 or so. These come in a variety of sizes with 9 mm being the most likely but I have used and caught some large fish on a size of about .5 inch in diameter. Colors of tan, pink and even a red color are available. The tan being a good color where fish have been fed(all over in Georgia for larger angling). These can be easily tied on the hook of your choice but a smaller hook(14 or 16) is best as fish are less likely to feel the hook before you have a chance of getting a set. Just don’t buy my supply and don’t use them where I’m fishing(it will make me look bad). Regards, Joe Webb Atlanta Mac User Group (AMUG)

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Thanks, Jon Kreski —

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Thanks, Jon Kreski –Oh yeah, stocked rainbows love them, haven’t had much luck with natives. But I would imagine

during the rainbow spawning period, they would take them just like salmon do.  I’ve also caught suckers on them. Vince

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A tip… A guide showed me this trick and it has been very, very effective for me. We were sight casting to large bows with a 2 fly system, a glow bug and a small biot nymph on the dropper. EVERY single time (like 10 in a row), the fish would see the big honkin’ glow bug and investigate it and then SLAM the biot nymph. I fish a 2 fly glo-bug or big-fly/little-fly combo all of the time. TimW

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: Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern? Yes. : What conditions (time of year : water types, etc.) would be best?   Any water conditions, mostly when other fish are spawing. : What sort of presentation would be best? Dead drift is usually best but I do get quite a few fish on the swing. : Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Pretty much any fish should take a glo-bug. I catch and release hundreds of rainbows, dollies, whitefish and cutthroat every year with them. I’ve been fishing them the last 2 weeks, since the salmon started showing up, and have been averaging 20-25 rainbows and about the same in whitefish every afternoon I’ve been out (3-4 times per week). Largest rainbow landed so far has been about 5 lbs. Quite a few of them actually. Largest rainbow lost, about 10 lbs. (damn fluorocarbon tippet!!!!!). Brad

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A tip… A guide showed me this trick and it has been very, very effective for me. We were sight casting to large bows with a 2 fly system, a glow bug and a small biot nymph on the dropper. EVERY single time (like 10 in a row), the fish would see the big honkin’ glow bug and investigate it and then SLAM the biot nymph. I fish a 2 fly glo-bug or big-fly/little-fly combo all of the time. TimW

This is also a popular method  used on the large British reservoirs/lakes. "Teams of flys"  specifically chosen for enticement and imitation. It defintely adds a new dimension to matching the hatch. Gary McMeekin

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All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity.

It used to be a real secret or just the fact that no one used eggs flies other than during the spawning time, but a small egg fly pattern catches trout ALL year.  Instead of fishing a nymph during the Summer switch to a small, well tied egg fly.  You will find that the "Two Strand" method will tie the smallest fly.  Don’t tell any one that I spilled the beans. Yippi Tie One On AuSable 1

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern? Thanks, Jon Kreski —

Other trout will definitely take egg pattern. The best time starts right know with the start of the trout spawning season. Tie some trout eggs (e.g. salmon eggs with orange glow bug yarn in size18 or try Gary LaFontaines pattern in size 18-20) and fish it dead drift. The non spawning guys get crazy over it…. Thomas

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best?

Rainbows are big time egg eaters.  In rivers with spawning salmon they’ll hang below the redds waiting for eggs to drift out.  In other streams they’ll eat sucker and squawfish eggs.  In those streams your glo bug should be pretty small and the color muted.  A big, orange, salmon egg type pattern probably won’t do it.   Ross

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Will non-stealhead trout take an egg pattern?  What conditions (time of year, water types, etc.) would be best?  What sort of presentation would be best? Will any other type of fish take any other type of egg pattern?

All sorts of fish take all sorts of egg patterns.  Just last weekend I was catching rainbows on egg patterns, supposedly because carp were spawning in the vicinity. — -Wayne Trzyna

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